Phillies Offense Heats Up in Series Win vs White Sox

For the first time this year, the stars of a series win for the Phillies were not the three starting pitchers; it was the starting nine in the lineup! Hear from Don Mattingly and others discuss the series win! #RingTheBell #PhiladelphiaPhillies #MLBonX 

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SPEAKER_06 0:29

Alright, welcome in, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode here of the 610 Podcast. I'm your host, Jay Hollyhan. As the Philadelphia Phillies, we are recapping and we are previewing here this Monday afternoon. The Phillies taking two out of three from the Chicago White Sox. And then quickly they turn their eyes north of the border to Toronto to face the Toronto Blue Jays. Well, let's get right into it because this was a series for the Phillies. Heading into it where you said to yourself, you know what? If they just take two out of three against the a good White Sox team, which sounds, you know, obviously you saw them. I mean, there's no really monster name on that team. I mean, obviously they have an international player from Japan that they feel very highly of, and and for a very good reason they should feel highly of, and the Phillies fortunately were able to avoid Murakami in this series as he is on the I. L. So that's kind of their big quote-unquote star. But take nothing away from what the Phillies did, because hey, we're gonna get into it in a minute. The start it's not like the starting pitching was able to go out there and you said, Oh, well, they didn't have to face Murakami, you know. It was a lot easier for them. Well the starting pitching did the Phillies no favors in this weekend. The offense was able to win this series. How many times have you heard me say that? I mean, I guess on Thursday against San Diego, the offense helped you win that series, but throughout an entire series it wasn't consistent. This weekend, the offense was consistent. It was good, scoring an impressive twenty runs in three days, which for some teams that's Yeah, we've already done that, you know, twice already. Well, for the Phillies, I mean, they could be breaking club records here in a minute, watch out, right? So awesome job by this Phillies offense to finally break itself out. Now, does this mean we gotta saying, oh, they're back, and the expectation and the hype is here, we gotta get them to the this is World Series or bus this year. I mean, it kind of already, you know, in the beginning of the season, it's kind of what everyone was saying that that's the expectation. But that is not the oh we are not there to say this is a World Series team. We know enough from the last couple years to not put them in that mark. But taking nothing away from what they've done in the last three days because they have done a very good job at being able to come through when their starting pitching didn't have it. And that's not something we could always say in the in the past couple, you know, uh months. I mean, they've uh needed the starting pitching to be on. They've needed we talked about in the last episode, how many times have you looked up at the end of the third inning and it's zeros you know across the board, and the Phillies haven't done much offensively, and they'll scrape together an inning in which they score two or three, and then they get to the bullpen, and the bullpen does a fantastic job shutting it down. This series was not like that, and they were able to at times give the bullpen a little bit of a break. So that was good too. And this homestand as well. Johan Duran has only had to pitch once in the last four days. That is a good thing to have. Now he got up yesterday, but it's a good thing for him to get a bit of a breather. Now game one, let's start off here Friday. It was not the start Jesus Lazardo, I'm sure, wanted. He gave up five runs on seven hits, walked two, only struck out two, gave up three homers. I just you know, with Jesus Lazardo, there are several facets here with him that really irk you throughout this season. Number one is the fact that obviously with him being the given the big contract and his ERA right now sits at four point five six. So they showed they had a lot of faith in him and they felt like he earned it after last season. Well, right now, I'm sure there are some in that Phillies front office that are saying, My goodness. Could we maybe have spent that money a little wiser? Could we maybe have, you know, gone after someone else, brought back a Ranger Suarez, even used some of the money left over, or if there was any, to go out and get someone uh as well as a hitter. I guess there really wouldn't have been much money left over, but I'm just saying if they could have done it differently, maybe they wish that either they didn't if they didn't pay Ranger and they decided not to pay Lazardo, they went out and got a bat. But hey, that's obviously hindsight, that's obviously so many different factors and facets that the front office has to answer questions to. But regardless, he goes out, top of the second, gives up two runs. Now, the hit by pitch on Antonacci that would have got that that if it was overturned, you know, that kind of set up a bad ending for Lazardo. So okay, I can kind of give you a little bit of pass there for the top of the second, although you still need a bear down. But in the bottom of the second, the Phillies offense comes through. Brandon Marsh off a lefty goes yard. His sixth home of the year 2-2 game. Trey Turner reaches on a fielder's choice, and Adolius Garcia scores a hell of a tag. Alec Bohm doubles into left. Um Kyle Schwerber scores as well as Trey Turner scoring. Trey Turner with another one of his wicked slides at the at the plate after the misplay in and left, and then Alec Bohm. I mean, I don't really know what he's necessarily doing trying to get to third. I mean, I know what he is looking to do, but I think in that situation just stop at second. You know, you got Sosa coming up. Why take the bat out of his hands in that situation? But anyways, but Randall Gritchuk with no one on sends one into the seats to make it 5-3. Bottom four, Adoli Scarcia pimps another one, flips the bat off of K into right field. Actually, a really nice swing. Probably best swing we've seen from Adoli Scarcia, 6-3. Gritchick Homer's again, 6-4. Derek Hill Homer, 6-5. We get to the top of the 7th, and in the top of the 7th, 6-5 game, Bolin in the game, and an RBI single hit by uh Colson Montgomery. Bolin not doing himself much favors in that inning either. And then bottom 7, Edmundo Sosa sack fly. Kyle Schwarber, I guess, watching Trey Turner slide earlier in the game, decided, hey, you know what? I'm gonna try it myself. And Don Mattingley after the game, he said, you know, I really, when they sent Schwarber when he was coming home, I wasn't too confident he was gonna make it. I don't think anyone. There was about plus 43,000 there that night. I'm sure a lot of them were like, oh boy. But he scores, and then a wild pitch by our old friend Sir Anthony Dominguez makes it 8-6. Brad Keller, with runners at first and second, nobody out, catches one that comes back to him, fires to second to double off the runner, and gets the final out in the inning. Then we go to the ninth, and Johan Duran comes into the game and with one away, he gets what probably was the play, and he had two. Stott did, but I think in I think maybe in terms of the moment this may have been the better of the two, but I might have to go with the play he made yesterday, actually, uh, as the better of the two defensive plays by Bryson Stott. But Andrew Bentendi grounds one to right. Now it's eighty-nine point five off the bat. It's not scorching. But still, where Stott had to go and get the ball in shallow right field, it's kind of a t it's still a t it's a good play, it's a tough play. And Stott obviously being able to go get that ball, pop up, and throw it a first in time. A fantastic job. Duron appreciated it. Everyone forty-three thousand plus, as well as all Phillies fans across the country and world, I guess, appreciate that play by Bryson Stott. And Duron gets one more out to preserve the eight-six Phillies win, and they would move to five games above five hundred. That's their new season high being above five hundred. Now, after the game, Don Mattingly spoke about Jesus Lazardo.

SPEAKER_02 9:30

I always think he's good. His stuff is always good, and and there's times you're gonna get hit, and it's gonna be all of our guys at some point are gonna have a game like that. But Zeus hung in there and, you know, obviously he kept going.

SPEAKER_06 9:43

Well, I think after that we all kind of said to ourselves, all right, and I said, and I said this because we know after the Sunday start against the Dodgers, the feeling was Andrew Painter struggles when he's not throwing to anyone other than J.T. Real Muto. Or if he's throwing to anyone other than J.T. Real Muto. If it's Rafael Marchand back there, Garrett Stubbs, he's not gonna pitch as well. And I kind of thought, well, I wonder what they're gonna do with the lineup, because knowing that now, they're not gonna put someone behind the plate not named J.T. Real Muto, and he's now this will be the fourth day in a row catching. Now, he had the day off Sunday, although he earned it the hard way with the hit by pitch, and then he had the day, they gave him they had the off day Monday, Tuesday they kept him off his feet. So, alright, so he's got three days there before he started on Wednesday, and he goes Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, that's still a lot of game. I mean, he's no, you know, spring chicken now. It's not twenty nineteen. So, in my opinion, I'm like, well, I would have liked Marshawn maybe Friday to catch Lazardo and then roll with JT Saturday and Sunday, knowing that he's better with uh clearly because Painter just can't pitch to anyone other than him, and then which I mean, you know, you're at this stage in your career, and I get he's the young up and comer, but you gotta be able to show the ability to pitch to anyone as a young guy. You know, you haven't really earned your stripes to pick and choose your catcher, regardless. They wanna, you know, have what's worked, and that is what you w w what you want to give this kid the best situation possible. But anyways it didn't matter. It wouldn't have matter. They they could have put Cameron Rupp behind the plate. I don't think it would have been that much of a difference. Andrew Painter went out there and let's just call it like we see it. He was bad. He didn't pitch well at all. Gave up six runs on six hits, two walks, and four strikeouts in four and two thirds. And so I said after the game, and and by the way, if all he did was give up like three runs in the game, now the Phillies offense, you give them a little bit of a pass. I mean, they put up only three runs, but you give them a little bit of a pass because you're down four nothing before you got your cleats on. You're down six nothing before you could take a sip of water in the dugout. I mean, you haven't even recorded your fourth out yet in the game as a total for your offense, and you're down in the hole six nothing. So it was a bad start from Andrew Painter, absolutely. And here was Don Mattingley Painter, and you'll hear from Brandon Marsh, who was a highly touted prospect of his own right in the Angels system, and he gave a perspective on obviously the pressures of being a highly touted prospect.

SPEAKER_02 12:39

First inning was obviously what really hurt him. You know, the hit by pitch. He walks Vargas, uh the Nintendy just kind of throws a little flare out, walks Montgomery, and then from there, you know, Bandur three gets a little ground ball to third, we get an out, ground ball to short. Uh the P the Peters at bat, I thought kind of hurt him too. Eleven pitches, ends up getting a hit there. Instead of stopping that, they got that extra run. You know, then obviously goes a zero and then a couple of homers uh the next inning. So kind of put us behind at that point. He hung in there, he gets us almost through five. Thought he did a nice job of hanging in there. Obviously, the homers kind of hurt us. Um we had it at four. If you can keep it there, there's a lot of time left in the game at that point. If we can keep it at four, you you feel like you got a chance to creep back in this thing.

SPEAKER_04 13:32

Andrew, what held you back from getting going in the first? That's a tough way to start the game. You look at the first four hitters of that game, you're really not giving yourself a chance. So it's gotta be better at committing the ball and um just be a little more aggressive in the zone.

SPEAKER_03 13:47

Especially your force and a fifth game clearing at this point.

SPEAKER_04 13:52

Yeah, it's tough. It's tough. Um, I think we made some adjustments at first team kind of got away from the four scene, wasn't it? So we're just gonna split the shape and street.

SPEAKER_05 15:12

Yeah, um, I feel like he's gonna show up and work, you know, uh try to stay away from all the buzzers possible. Like, you know, we've been talking about painter for years and for a good reason because he's really freaking good. Um Like I said, we got all the faith in the world in him, and he's gonna come out in five days and shove for us, so uh put us in a position to win. That's what we all that's what we all believe, and that's what we all think's gonna happen. So uh yeah, like I said, we have all the faith in the world in them and try to hush out all the all the talk outside, and uh, you know, whether you're a number one prospect or not a prospect, you still gotta you still gotta work. So he knows what he needs to do, and he he's gonna get right to it.

SPEAKER_06 15:55

So I said after the game, I said, man, Andrew Painter is approaching the levels of Gavin Floyd and Spencer Howard territory. And people were like, Well, if he's Gavin Floyd, that's actually good because Gavin Floyd in his career, when he left the Phillies, actually had a decent career for himself. And listen, I mean no doubt, you know, the guy played or pitched, I should say, from 2004 to 2016. First three years in the bigs with the Phillies, then was traded to the Chicago White Sox for Freddie Garcia. And he pitched well in his career. You know, had a 4370 RA, win-loss record of 74 and 76, started 196 games, pitched exactly 1,250 innings, 985 career strikeouts. Alright, that's all well and good. But remember, he was the fourth overall pick in the O one draft. Now, he was drafted out of high school, but so was Andrew Painter. And obviously, you know, Gavin Floyd ended up being a comparable starter. A guy who, you know, I'm sure at one point or two in his career he felt like, hey, you have confidence, I'll go out there and at least get the job done. But Andrew Painter was expected to be, you know, the the next Cole Hammond for this franchise, the next great pitcher. And Spencer Howard, who also had a lot of hype being uh being drafted in the second round of twenty seventeen, uh, need I give you the numbers. Four and thirteen in his career, seven oh ERA, hasn't pitched in the major since twenty twenty-four. And his time with the Phillies in eight three, or I'm sorry, a five-eight one, that was his number. His number in Texas, when they traded him for Kyle Gibson, eight three-seven ERA and sixteen starts and twenty-one games. But a five-eight one ERA and thirteen starts and seventeen games pitched for the Phillies in 2020 and 21. He needed to mature and he never matured. Now I I have faith Andrew Painter is a little bit closer than where Spencer Howard's career has taken him, which is now uh pitching overseas for the Japan League and the Yomi Ru Yomiuri Giants. So obviously taking his career elsewhere, um, it's I mean, let's face it. Let's call it like we see it. It's concerning to see Andrew Painter right now, because while people have mentioned, well, Cole Hamill struggled at the start of his career, Roy Halliday struggled at the start of his career, so on and so forth. Yes, those are two examples of guys that figured it out. And Christopher Sanchez. Now people talk about Christopher Sanchez. Well, here's the thing with Christopher Sanchez. Christopher Sanchez didn't have hype around him. There was listen, we're were there people that were talking about, man, he's got some stuff, yes, but was it, oh my god, this guy's the next big thing for this organization? Absolutely not. Spencer Howard was given more a plum. Obviously, as I mentioned, Gavin Floyd being a fourth overall pick, he had a lot of hype around him. Hell, even Spencer Howard, in my opinion. You heard more about him coming up through the Phillies farm system than he did Christopher Sanchez. Let's not pretend like Christopher Sanchez, and this is not taking anything away from Christopher Sanchez, but he was not this air apparent to the to the Phillies throne there, challenging the likes of Cole Hammels. I'm not going to put Steve Carlton out there, I'm not going to do that, that's not fair, even at this great stage in his career. But he was not viewed in the same account as those guys. Andrew Painter is and was. Before Tommy John surgery, all you heard was this guy is the next big thing. This guy is going to be among one of the best Phillies pitchers, hopefully of all time, but he's going to be an ace of this staff. When Zach Wheeler hangs him up, he's going to be inserted right in there. You know, unfortunately he has the Tommy John surgery, but when he comes back from that, hopefully he's going to look just as good. The fastball had great ride to it. That's good, you know, and granted, you have to do more in your career than just have a really good fastball. But because of his fastball, that's what made his secondary pitches so good. Now, this is the biggs. A lot of guys have really good fastballs. These these, you know, you're going up against professionals as well. We know it's nasty, we know it, you know, it can obviously again help with his secondary pitches and help him get to things that can make him an even better pitcher. But my lord, he's gotta figure it out. Now he was there for a little bit. There was about three starts there, he looked pretty good. We're like, okay, you know, and he has shown you some good things. But he's also shown you a lot of bad. Now I'm not sitting here saying they need to trade him. And I think that's where people thought I was saying they need to move on from him. No. And I know people are saying, well, they should look at Scooball. Listen, I don't know if you want to take the path of trading away young talent that in time hopefully can turn out for you. If this front office still has faith that he is going to turn out, I don't think they're going to trade him. Now what they might do is say, you know what? We need to give him a little more serious. Let's send him down to triple A. The only problem with that, there's not much down there. The only guy down there that has anything of big league capability is Alan Ron How, who is a 37-3 ERA, three and four this year, in nine starts and twelve appearances, pitching in sixty in the third innings. Now, here's the thing with him. He is twenty-nine. That's a good thing and a bad thing. He came up in the to the bigs last year, made his MLB debut on June 6th. Righty arm. Hey, he could he could come up and and you know do something. I mean, he was up earlier this season, pitched three innings at a 300 ERA. Last year he pitched eleven innings to a two-four-five ERA out of the bullpen. There's no doubt he could he could make a start in it, you know, for just depth reasons. And if you want to give Andrew Painter a blow. But Don Mattingley has already said yesterday to the media that the Phillies are not looking to skip his next start. He said this is the big leagues. You gotta be able to put bad starts behind you. So we'll see what happens. Now if they keep trotting him out there and he keeps screwing up, it might be time to be, hey, gotta go back down there and you know, figure some things out in triple A before you come back up. Could be a possibility, we'll see what happens. But regardless. Enough about Andrew Painter, let's get back to the winning on Sunday. Now, Aaronola took the mound and he gave uh what was just kind of status quo for Ari Nolo that I listen, for a while I said, you know what, if he could just imagine himself like he's in a game where he's clinching a postseason birth, because how many times do we see him go out there and have really great stuff and be dialed in through six innings, seven innings in a game that the Phillies needed to clinch a postseason spot, and forever I said, if he just imagines like he's doing that, maybe that helps him. But from what we've seen so far this season, I he needs to imagine the other team is wearing brown and gold, like the San Diego Padres. It's the only team he can pitch well against. I mean, imagine I know it's tough. White Sox wear black and white, or you know, gray on the occasion, but dude, picture picture that is the Padres. Okay, I don't know. I mean, imagine that. If that's where you need to go to in your mind, picture that. But anyways, he did not really give the Phillies much of a chance. He goes four and a third, gives up five runs on six hits. The Phillies offense, though, came to the rescue. And it started off well. It started off with a Bryce Harper RBI double, but then in the second, lead goes back to the White Sox, and Rafael Marshawn in the bottom of the second. And you knew, hey, Rafael Marshand hits a homer, you gotta win the game. Right? And he sends a two-run blast out to give the Phillies a 3-2 lead, just for Nola to give it up in the top of the third. Brandon Marsh, who homered in three straight days, his eighth of the year, gives the Phillies a 4-3 lead. Top of the fifth. So Aaronola got through the fourth, but then in the top of the fifth, obviously, uh they bring in Tim Meiza. 1-1 pitch, and Randall Gritchik hits a single that scores two. Softly hit into uh into center. 5-4 White Sox. Home half of the fifth, though, 2-1 with Harper and Marsh, and Alec Bohm drives in Bryce Harper to tie it up at 5. Then Bryson Stott comes through to plate Brandon Marsh. 6-5, Justin Crawford sure. He grounds out into a double play, but a run scores, uh, and the Phillies are able to uh to get well, I guess he didn't technically ground out into it was uh unconventional double play as they got the out at first, run scores, and then the out at third and at 7-5 Phillies, um, but they were able to tack on in the bottom of the sixth again. Brandon Marsh coming through, RBI single, Alec Bohm, RBI single, nine-five Phillies lead, and the bullpen would get continue to get the remainder of the outs. Jose Alvarado, Orion Kirkering, and Jonathan Bolan. So again, you got Johan Duran off his feet for three out of four days, which is good as you head north of the border into Toronto. But real quick on the Phillies starting pitching, they allowed 11 runs in 15 innings and pitched to a whopping 6.60 ERA. Not what you would consider good by any stretch of the imagination. So we'll see what the Phillies can do coming up here in Toronto as they take on the Blue Jays for a three-game set. Um, first, though, a leave off on this note from Dom Mattingley as he spoke about the Phillies' offense from this past three-game series.

SPEAKER_02 27:20

Just kind of staying with it and continuing to press on with runs. We we had to also, you know, we gave up some runs. Uh, and it seems like the whole series felt like a back and forth, never felt really comfortable with a lead. Yeah, just uh just a kind of a battle. Those guys were you know, they put good at bats on us, uh, put a lot of balls in play. They mix and match with their righties, lefties. They you don't really get a bunch of good matchups where you get sections of the order, so they they they make it tough on you. Uh but our guys did a great job, obviously, of kind of staying with it and putting runs on the board. That whole you know, middle of our order today, you know, between Trey getting on a few times, Trey slung the back good today, then Harp and and and Brandon and Boehmer, obviously all really good today. Uh but I feel like we got contributions in other places too, Marshawn. It's a I thought a big home run to give us a give us the early, you know, one of our early leads. Um Kral gets a knock, so it's like there felt like it was up and down the order today. You know, that the pitching has given us a chance to get going. If we wouldn't wouldn't have been winning those games, you all would have been asking a lot more questions about the offense. Um and that that just, you know, more pressure. But this series we kind of broke out, we're able to help the pitch in uh with offense, and that's really what you want to do. Some we've talked about some games you're gonna have to win 10-8, you two to one, whatever it is we have to do to win a game, that's kind of what you want to be.

SPEAKER_06 28:57

So a good job again by the Phillies offense. They won this series. The starting pitching did not win that series against the Chicago White Sox. The Phillies were able, as an offense, to go out there and win it. They they took two or three games by their offense, being able to push runners across, get runners on, push them across, and not you needing to utilize the long ball. You know, Marsh had three home runs in three games, um, and Boehm had one as well, and you also had to Dolis Garcia, but it wasn't and Rafael Marchand, so how could I forget? But it wasn't a total home run fest. They were able to keep it simple. They were able to just line drive him to death. And as I mentioned in the Padres, you know, small waves. Don't need a big, Titanic-looking home run. Small waves, just putting bat the ball, getting it out there, and scoring runs. Now the ball was carrying in uh at CPP this past weekend. It was certainly carrying, asked both sides. But hopefully that wasn't just an anomaly, and the Phillies will go out there and take two of three from the Blue Jays. Tonight's game one, Patrick Corbin on the mound for the Blue Jays. A name Phillies fans, Phillies players know all too well, as he formerly, of course, was with the Washington Nationals, helped them pitch, helped them win, and pitched in Game 7 of the World Series uh in 2019 there with the Nats, and you know, was uh obviously given that six-year deal worth $140 million when he signed as a free agent in 2018 in December, and then really just from 2020 to 2024 was not good for the Nats. And Phillies So since 22, so this group, he's 0-6 with a 7-4-6 ERA. I mean, you want to build off of what you've just done against Chicago and you want to show, hey, it's not just the White Sox, we can do it against Toronto, we can do it on the road. By all means go do it on the road. Because tonight making his starts, Christopher Sanchez, 7-2 with a 1-4-6 ERA. He's 3-0 with the 2-0 ERA versus the Blue Jasons 23 in two starts in Toronto. He's gone 13 innings, giving up three runs on 10 hits with 11 strikeouts and four walks. So hope is in those four walks came in one game. Cuts down on that, obviously. Pitches like the Christopher Sanchez we've seen throughout, you know, the past five, six starts since Don Manningley's been named the manager. And let's go uh you know, let's go get a win tonight and hopefully get this three game set off on the right foot. Now, Toronto's in a weird spot. They have the next two days listed as TBD. So it could be Dylan Cease or Mac Scherzer tomorrow. Now, Dylan Sees would make the of the two options a better choice. It would be exactly five days after he made his rehab start. He was placed on the IL in May with a hamstring injury. Now, Dylan Sees is someone who's 0-2 with a 6-7-5 VRA versus the Phillies since 22. Both starts with the Padres. He pitched six complete innings for them in both games, but the Phillies got to him for five runs on six hits in one of those starts in 24 and then four runs on eight hits last year in 2025. Now, uh Dylan Sees, before he was placed on the I. L had a 3-3 record with a 3-0 five ERA. So pretty solid year for him. And starting for the Phillies tomorrow night, we know is going to be Zach Wheeler. Now you got both these guys pitching in the same series. You got to win said series. It just you got 5-1 Wheeler with the 2-3-1 ERA. He's 1-0 with a 1-3-5 ERA versus the J since 2023. He is, however, 0-1 with a 4-5-0 ERA on the road in Toronto in three starts. So hopefully Zach Wheeler will be able to that be an anomaly, and obviously not even think about that information. Now game three, again, listen as TBD could be Dylan Sees or Scherzer. Now it made more sense if this day was Scherzer because it would be exactly five days since uh his rehab start. He went down with uh right forearm tendonitis, obviously at the at Max Scherzer's age, you know, that's of course a scare, but Max Scherzer, Mad Max, you know, even at 41, still competitive as ever, going to be forty-two uh in a little over a month here. But Scherzer's numbers versus the Phillies since twenty-two, so with this group predominantly in six starts, four and one with the two nine two ERA. Now I know that sounds scary, but he hasn't faced them since twenty twenty-three. And Scherzer he's one and three with the nine six four ERA this season for the for the Blue Jays. Now he is still Mad Max, but he's not the unhittable Max Scherzer that we remember in DC in in those six starts with the Mets. Now what's on the other side, because that could mean nothing, as we know, from Friday. Jesus Lazardo, four and four with a four-five, six CRA. Now he's pitched only once versus the Blue Jays since 2023. And I'm sure we all remember it. Because it was last season in Toronto, and he gave up eight runs on nine hits in two and a third innings. Uh that was his lone start again versus Toronto since 23, but also his lone start versus Toronto in his career. Now, for Jesus Lazardo, that marked the second of the two starts. Remember the one against Milwaukee where he really was bad, and he gave up like twenty runs in two starts. It was a bad stretch for Jesus Lazardo. Hopefully, he will have a much better start on Wednesday against Toronto. Now, you look at the pitching matchup, who does it favor? It has to favor the Phillies. Anytime he got Sanchez and Wheeler going, that has to help you. Plus two guys coming off the I. L and a guy that you've been able to hit well. I shautiously optimistic, because this is the Phillies offense, as we know. Cautiously optimistic the Phillies will win this series, and dare I say, sweep the Blue Jays, who just took two out of three from the Orioles. Controversial way yesterday, might I add. So hopefully the baseball gods up there will say, you know what, you want a BSer yesterday. We're gonna oblige you here with uh with the series loss. Blue Jays, who came inches away from winning the World Series last year, they're two 32 and 34. They're a half a game out of a wild card spot. They're trying to get their season back above 500. They're trying to play above 500 baseball and win a wild card spot. They're looking up in the ALE, similar to the Phillies, look up at the Braves, they're looking up at the Yankees and the Rays right now. Yankees who don't have Aaron Judge, so I'm sure the Blue Jays are going, hey, you know, let's get this thing. And we know Tampa Bay, they're 3-7 in the last time. We know they can really hit a down spell, and maybe we can chase after this division as well. Toronto's looking to turn it around. And obviously Don Mattingley, who was the bench coach last year, for the Blue Jays, he knows all too well about, you know, the fact that the Toronto Blue Jays, no doubt, um, are a spirited ball club. Now for the Phillies, you're 35-30, you're nine and a half games back. You've reached a wild card spot at this point. You set second, you are a game back of the St. Louis Cardinals who hold the top wildcard spot. I mean, how is that possible that the St. Louis Cardinals, a team that everyone thought, everyone and their mother was saying was going to be where the Colorado Rockies are and the San Francisco Giants down here, not even at 30 wins, candidate, the Cardinals were to being one of the worst teams in the National League and in Major League Baseball as a whole, and here they sit, 35 and 28. I mean, baseball is a funny game. So the Phillies, the Phillies, they can go out there and uh hopefully take two of three, and it's a little maybe early to be standings watching, but you look at the St. Louis Cardinals, uh, if you can take two out of three Cardinals who will be facing uh the New York Mets on the road at City Field. I think I speak for everyone when I say, eh, we can let the Cardinals take two out of three there. We'll let that we'll we'll sit in second place for a couple more days. We don't need the Mets to take two or three against against the Cardinals. I mean, it'd be nice, but hey. Let's not let the Mets get any life here in June. That'll do it for us here on this episode, folks. I think I have that entered. The New Yorkers are having, you know, their their good time right now with the Knicks. Good time, Charlie. Um, we'll let that, you know, kind of be their enjoyment. Let's uh let's enjoy, hopefully, another three games where hey, the Phillies offense will hopefully be able to break out again, and uh we can continue to see in this month of June uh us Phillies fans have uh have some fun here. All right, everyone, thanks for tuning in to this episode, and we will be back on coming at you here throughout the series and on Wednesday, and we'll have some more stuff this week as well here on the 610 Podcast. So thanks for tuning in, and we'll talk to you next time.