60. Artists Make Ways of Seeing, Not Objects

Studio Sessions

Studio Sessions
60. Artists Make Ways of Seeing, Not Objects
Nov 25, 2025 Season 3 Episode 8
Matthew O'Brien, Alex Carter

We spend most of this episode exploring James Carse's "Finite and Infinite Games," working through the distinction between societies that defend boundaries and cultures that exist on horizons. Alex reads passages from the book about how patriotism requires enemies to function, why authentic movements like the Renaissance don't oppose anyone, and how any finite concept that tries to contain everything else is inherently evil. Matt reflects on his own pull toward rigid, binary thinking despite intellectually understanding the value of infinite play. We discuss how systems naturally protect themselves when threatened, why baseball feels different from other sports, and how finite games can exist beautifully within infinite contexts.

The conversation shifts to Werner Herzog's question about uranium storage: how do you warn people 40,000 years in the future when language, images, and cultural context will have completely dissolved? Even Shakespeare is barely comprehensible after a few hundred years. We discuss breeding blue cacti, building impossible structures, and why rituals might be the only way to transmit meaning across deep time—though even Stonehenge gets misread as alien intervention. This leads us into territory about synchronicity and consciousness: Alex's story about needing a bat at his lowest point and immediately stepping on one, Matt's impossible birthday coincidence, seeing Alexander Payne right after thinking about him. We talk about channeling, glimpses of God, and whether these moments suggest something beyond atoms randomly floating around. -Ai

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