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It was very,"},{"startTime":3144.101,"endTime":3146.511,"body":"very enjoyable to talk with you."},{"startTime":3146.511,"endTime":3151.274,"body":"I had a great time and I hope everyone"},{"startTime":3146.511,"endTime":3151.274,"body":"will have a great time listening to us."},{"startTime":3151.274,"endTime":3152.274,"body":"Thank you."},{"startTime":3151.952,"endTime":3153.232,"body":"I'm sure they will. Thank you."},{"startTime":3153.232,"endTime":3154.232,"body":"Bye bye."},{"startTime":3155.316,"endTime":3157.998,"body":"Thanks for joining me for this episode of"},{"startTime":3155.316,"endTime":3157.998,"body":"the SheClicks Women"},{"startTime":3157.998,"endTime":3160.15,"body":"in Photography podcast. 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