ABCDLGBTQIA+: Unpacking Identity, Language, and Queer Consumerism - (A·B·C·D) Podcast Episode 23

What does it mean to be accepted when everyone wants a piece of your wallet? This Pride Month, we're sitting down to chat about our cultural identities and how they shape our understanding of the LGBTQIA+ community. We dive into the complexities of language and pronouns, and share powerful personal stories of coming out and the role of allies in embracing these experiences.

Our amazing editor, Sean, who is part of the LGBTQIA+ community, joins us as we critique the impact of consumerism and merchandising on queer individuals. Together, we explore ways to rebrand products to better reflect diverse identities and discuss the importance of queer representation in advertising. Plus, we have a bit of fun playing our game 'Could this be Gay?' and sharing our own Pride experiences.

We also touch on the need for more inclusive marketing towards the gay women community and the power of visibility for the next generation of queer individuals. Get ready for an open, honest, and engaging conversation that explores the beauty of our diverse cultural identities and the importance of celebrating Pride Month. Let's get proud together!

Transcript

Speaker 1 0:01

Wow, you did it. You did it everybody. You're here. We're here. Yes, thank you. Thank you for lending us your ears. We're so happy to be here with you on during Pride Month. Yes, i well, i'm going to introduce my co-host first. I'm going to introduce you to the new member of Pride Month. I'm going to introduce you to the new member of Pride Month.

Speaker 1 0:25

I'm going to introduce you to the new member of Pride Month, i'm going to introduce my co-host first, a man that I would like to wear as a blanket, and I mean that in the most brotherly, loving way possible Omar Najam.

Speaker 2 0:40

Oh, thank you, Thank you, thank you. And I would like to introduce our host this week, and I mean this in the most brotherly way. I would wear him like a snuggie, but specifically that white family that's going camping in the commercial for the snuggie.

Speaker 3 0:57

Do you remember that?

Speaker 2 0:58

one where they're just like and you're like, this isn't really camping, but they look comfortable And that's like the other end of you with Sandy Parikh. Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 1:10

I will be. thank you, thank you, audience, i will be. I will be your white family anytime.

Speaker 2 1:16

Thank you.

Speaker 1 1:17

Anytime you need me, anytime you need me.

Speaker 2 1:20

Next time I'm in trouble, I will call you upon you This favor.

Speaker 1 1:25

So, yes, i am the host this week. You know, generally we have a game of some sort during this podcast where, you know, one of us wins host and it's very illustrious and the other one is really to pour, lowly, co-host. But you know, this is a week, this is this is this is a week of love and a celebration of love. So I, you know we can be co-host is host. Yeah, these are just words. I mean And no, i did not take mushrooms. Okay, so don't even listen to our show. Is ABCD? It's American born chatty. They see, it's a podcast within a live stream, within our two lives as American born. They see it's a pod. Duck in, get your t-shirts. This is for anyone out there who, like us, are navigating our cultural identities and just want to, you know, just want to chat it out.

Speaker 2 2:18

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. So let's get right. First, we're going to do our chakra check in with let's get proud That's going to talk to you. That's going to talk to you Diego is so excited about. Yeah.

Speaker 1 2:37

Diego producer is very, very loved with this segment title. So, he got let's just say he got proud of that He got proud, he got proud. And we're proud of him too. So it's.

Speaker 2 2:48

And we're so proud of him too. We talked about pride and doing a little check in. Then we go to our game where we're going to ask ourselves It could be gay, yeah. And finally gay Could this be gay, it could be gay. And finally, we're going to move on to our day C of the week.

Tabletop RPG Sponsorship and Pride Celebration

Speaker 1 3:09

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Speaker 1 3:50

But we already shot it. We're in post production. This thing is just, it's right there. I mean, i know folks are salivating. We can't wait to announce all sorts of fun things And that's going to be doing all summer as we continue to trudge through post, making the best possible show for you. So if you want all the information up to the minute, all the behind scenes and the special little you know, shout outs and first dibs on merchant, all that fun stuff, And please hit up our mailing list at basic questcom. D E, s, i, q, u E S, tcom.

Speaker 3 4:29

Oh, and then Yeah, no.

Speaker 1 4:32

Is that it?

Speaker 2 4:32

Yeah, that's it. Our second sponsor is folks. You, that's right. The people who support us on Patreon head over to patreoncom. slash f and funny. That's E, f, f, i, n, f, u, n, n? Y. We've got multiple tiers for contributions at $5 a month, get to play with us during our after show here on Twitch. And then for $10 a month, we sing your name in the credits. That's right. That's right. Sound deep sings your name while playing guitar and that song's getting long. Let's see if we can. let's see if we can get a full two, 37. I'm this bad boy.

Speaker 2 5:04

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Speaker 1 5:18

But now it is time to start the show. Oh, and we're kicking it off with the chakra check in. Yes, we're getting proud, let's get proud, let's get right. If we break it up, we can't get it right. It's just consecutive Yeah. And plus I'm pretty, I'm pretty pitchy. So I think I'll never know. Yeah, there's no like AI that's going to pick it up. Yeah, really, it'll be so off key. So I think, i think we'll be all right, all right.

Speaker 2 5:55

So, uh, you're okay, let's do this Let's, let's get into it, let's hop right in.

Speaker 1 6:01

Yeah.

Speaker 2 6:02

Happy pride.

Speaker 1 6:03

Happy pride, Happy pride. I was just talking about this with you in the pre show. I just went to my local pride Um celebration, Yeah it was excellent.

Speaker 1 6:15

Brought my, brought my young son, um, and I just I don't know. I was just sitting there, uh, thinking like, wow, this, this is so cool, uh, and that, and how different it was for me growing up, um, and how different it's it's going to be for him. You know um in terms of sexuality, gender inclusion and his understanding of you know whether he ends up where on the spectrum. He ends up where in the LGBTQIA lineup he is or is not. He will be so, uh like, lovingly immersed and and have so many role models that are out and proud. Um, that it's just like how special, how cool.

Speaker 1 7:03

How could you not want that for the next generation? I don't, that's the piece I can't really understand, because when you go to those celebrations, they're so loving, they're so and and you can just see that the, the, the folks out there, you know they're really um, they're so happy to be able to be themselves and be around each other And you're just like, who doesn't want it? Like who's? again, i don't like. have you just never um, like I don't know? have you just? have you never had delicious cake before? I just don't like. It doesn't make any sense to me. It's unmappable. Uh, yeah, so it's like 1990s Disney villains you know when you're like you know you're the asshole right.

Speaker 2 7:46

You have to know. You know like we're going to kill the kingdom and do it, and you know that you're the asshole of the story, like there's no getting around it, right, Yeah, no one's like I'm the good guy.

Speaker 1 7:56

I want to. I want to murder everyone that's different than me. Right, I'm the good guy. Right, That's amazing man And he's having a good time.

Speaker 2 8:04

Is he enjoying the pride celebrations? Oh, he freaking loved it. I mean, yeah, he's like waving, he's hit to him.

Speaker 1 8:11

It's like a bunch of people singing and you know, marching in a parade and wearing like all he wants is going to be like I'm just going to say it like he's, you know, all he wants to wear is stuff.

Speaker 1 8:24

That's so colorful Be like you know, just just, uh, unabashedly, um gleeful and uh joyful, and I'm just like, like there's, i can't to me like trying to put him in a in a in a straight box. I'm like, i'm just like, i'm just like I'm just like I can't. To me, like, trying to put him in a in a in a straight box is almost the like that's the offense. Or a cis box To me is like that. That's the like that's me drawing the boundaries over whatever possibilities that he wants to explore in his life. You know. So I'm just like I just I can't stand the idea. I mean, i don't even know if I would be saying this even four years ago, before we had him, necessarily, but now, seeing it in the flesh, like the fact that he, he's picking out the shirts he wants to wear, the most colorful stuff, you know like the most, you know dresses, like whatever I will say, i will say no to nothing. I'm just like, dude, whatever, whatever suits your fancy, like you want to wear it, you wear it.

Speaker 1 9:28

Yeah, wear it, enjoy it, love it. I love that.

Speaker 2 9:33

Cause also in our like, you know and I'm not the most like drenched in, you know, subcontinental culture all the time, but you know, culturally we do have a lot of issues with stuff like machismo and gender identity. you know, in the homeland there's huge issues in terms of like, who has rights to do what, and so that's amazing. That's so good. I'm so happy to hear that. I'm so happy to hear that he's living it up and having a great time.

Speaker 1 9:59

Yeah, and look, i mean, listen, he, he. It's interesting because he really is trying to understand how the world functions. So he is bringing up the stuff to us like you know the stuff to us, like being like so you know, kings are boys right And queens are girls right, like he's like trying to parse like societal norms for things you know, and so it is like he's, but he's bringing it to us as the like authority figures to like help him understand, like what he's trying to puzzle out, right, and so like we have every bit of power to redefine, like what his definitions of these things are and will be going forward, and whether they're flexible or whether they're not, and whether you know, he it's so it's so fascinating because we've had it's like and, by the way, we're not sitting there going like we're going to, we're going to have a conversation about pronouns son.

Speaker 1 10:49

Like we don't, we're not. he's bringing it up based upon his like life experience, being like oh, he literally was like oh, so, so. so there is she and there he, like he's like he's doing it himself, trying to understand the concept of pronouns, and then for us to just be like wait a minute, some people don't identify as he or she and some people identify as they and he's like oh, and he's like I'm a they today. I'm like all right, cool, you're a they today. Like what is it? Yeah, like what does it matter? Like he's and, by the way, he will be like I'm definitely he, i'm a boy and he'll sort of state he'll, he'll state that stuff and be like dresses for girls I don't want to wear.

Speaker 1 11:28

I don't want to wear a dress. We're like okay, if that's, if that's where you're at right now, cool today, you know? Yeah, like that's the other piece of it for me. Sorry to go on a long rant. But it's like it's like we we even tried to introduce this concept of like. When he like doesn't like a certain food, that will be like oh yeah, you don't like spinach today, that's okay, you don't like it today.

Speaker 2 11:52

Yeah.

Speaker 1 11:53

You know, and and and. Instead of this idea of like you don't like spinach, you'll never like spinach. You know like oh, i've decided I don't like spinach, yes, right, and I'm like that. That's how you're feeling right now. No problem, let's revisit it tomorrow. You know.

Speaker 2 12:07

I love that because because you know folks can get boxed in to stuff like you're difficult, you're this year, whatever, and that labeling has an effect on your mind as a whole thing. So that's great, that you're just like okay, this is, this is simple. You're just not having spinach today.

Speaker 1 12:23

Box ourselves in. Is my point Like if, if, if, if. We're like, oh, our son doesn't like spinach, and then all of a sudden it's like he's boxed himself in by saying that that day, and then we're just like adding to that, right, we're like we're going, okay, we're going to, we're going to justify this And like the next time we like he doesn't, he doesn't. No, i'm so sorry, he doesn't, he doesn't like spinach. It's like dude, he, he. But I just like it might have been a vibe that day. I just think we, we do this a lot with a lot of things. You know, they're like I just, you know, i just don't. You know, i just don't like this thing, this type of music. It's like, oh really, you don't like every country song, like there's there might be some that hit you in a different way. You know, a different day. We're very malleable and I think we change a lot and we don't give ourselves enough grace for that.

Speaker 2 13:14

I love that Cause it's this spirit right Of of so much of the general discussion in the month of June which is and, and you know, to the greater conversation, which is like, just let people be. There's a lot of specific historical stuff to celebrate. You know no cops at Pride, but at the core of it is also just like you're there to celebrate everybody celebrating themselves in each other. It's that simple And I love that so much. That's so great. I'm so good at having a good time. That's so good I love. I mean, it's just a party, it's a festival.

Speaker 1 13:49

It is, it's a festival. It's a festival of, like, i like, i, he, he, he, he, he, he, he. He asked me to explain it to him. To me He's like so what is this Like? what is pride? Like, what is pride month? You know, he was asking these questions and I was just like, well, and I'm trying to like explain it to a 40 year old now, So I'm like yeah.

Speaker 1 14:05

So once upon a time there were, there were people who said you couldn't love who you wanted to love. Right, it's like, there, there's a, there, there are people that that love certain people and they weren't allowed to. And like, right, there he was like what, like, like it like made it like made no sense.

Speaker 3 14:26

to him It sounded like fucking insane.

Queer Family and Language Barriers

Speaker 1 14:29

And and I was like, yeah, and so now we're not doing that or trying to stop that. We're trying to let everybody love who they want to love, whether a man wants to love a man or a woman wants to love a woman, or or someone who doesn't identify as man or woman wants to love whomever they want to love. Like you know, just like explaining to him, he's like yeah, uh huh, cool, like he, he, he Like that, like the idea that there were people that wanted to stop that was so crazy to him.

Speaker 2 15:04

That's I mean when you put it, if you were to explain it to a child, which you were doing. But like explaining like queer history in Los Angeles it's like there were cops that would go into bars and if two men were dancing too close to each other they would go to jail and there had to be specific lawyers who would be like I'm gonna represent these people to pull them And cops would just be like hey, you're dancing too Like the worst chaperone at a middle school dance, being a cop and putting you in jail as you dance to stay close to somebody.

Speaker 2 15:39

Like that's fucking wild.

Speaker 1 15:42

Yeah, it's wild And it's the wildest way to put it. I really just hope it's not a future he ever has to grow up in. Yeah, so like, how is it for you? I feel like I've been chatting a lot about my experience, but how is it for you growing up?

Speaker 2 16:01

Ooh, that's a great question. My parents were very like. My parents were incredibly open about queerness. I don't think they must have educated, but they were very accepting, Sometimes to the point where I was like you're being a little patronizing, but like we hosted a wedding at our house for two men at one point when I was a child, And so my parents raised us in an environment that So they're super progressive. Super progressive.

Speaker 1 16:33

Especially for Desi immigrant parents.

Speaker 2 16:35

Yeah, absolutely Like they. at no point did we grow up with. I mean, I do think that there were some detrimental like 80s jokes and Peter Sellers sort of characters and stuff that they would reference. That wasn't great, But in terms of like direct practice, they would always be like, yeah, you accept everybody. And that then translated to pretty much all of their kids being queer on some level and being comfortable to kind of come out. It has been. there have been some difficult conversations in my family as we become adults because my parents are confused about things like pronouns and stuff, But which is honestly the second set is ridiculous for me to say out loud.

Speaker 2 17:18

That's like me saying I think that they're confused about pronouns. About pronouns And I really Can I just say Yeah, no, go, No please.

Speaker 1 17:26

Oh, I just want to say this because I want to have some grace for the pronouns situation Okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 17:31

For, especially for immigrants, and for first gen, second gen, because, like you know, english was my parents' fourth language. Okay, there's so many exceptions in English. As it is, it's already like a shit show, you know, and like they worked so hard to figure out how to make it work out here, to, like you know, to be able to rise the ranks of their jobs and good, you know, whatever it is, you know, go to corporate meetings, go to PTA meetings, like just try to figure out how to navigate life as English is a fourth language for them. Right, so now, like, whatever they had down, they finally got some shit down, and then now you're going to be like all right, listen, this plural pronoun has to be used as a singular.

Speaker 3 18:24

You're like nah, come on I just learned the thing.

Speaker 1 18:28

And then I think, even as like for me, like as a kid of an immigrant, it's like I was, like I was so rooting for, like ZZim or something or like you know, a singular sounding pronoun, because I just want for grammatically is what I was rooting for, just because it was such an identifier, it was such a marker in our town of how different and how we didn't belong was like my parents, you know, i don't want to say inability to communicate, they can communicate rather well but like it was just such an obvious like barrier, so like for me, being really grammatically correct was like super important, right. So it's like this is a purely grammar based argument. Yes, but then then I had a friend, i had a friend, have a friend, you know, who goes by, they them, and they were like well, just think of me as two people.

Speaker 2 19:23

That's what my youngest sibling did, and it was.

Speaker 2 19:26

It was interesting because any hesitation or pushback my mom gave That's cool, the confusion Cause my mom kind of also kicked in with some other I hesitate to say traditional, but like I would say, like problematically cultural standpoints. I would then react to that with what I believe to be traditional Indian and Hindu conversations by being like hey, we, that's colonial, like he and she being the only things is colonial. The Brits brought that. So if you want to be like really Indian, go back to our old texts, go back to our old stories. You have God switching gender, being gender fluid. You have people talking about how your soul can inhabit different bodies. So the you know, whatever you're locked into is something that was brought to you in 1950.

Speaker 2 20:19

It's not, you know, if you want to really true.

Speaker 1 20:21

Right, it doesn't go way, way, way back. I know we get into this mindset of like, like what? yeah, whatever happened in the fifties is basically like happened ever, you know, for 2000 years before.

Speaker 2 20:33

Yeah, like this idea that it's like yeah, totally, but it's ancient history, but it's really not So yeah, it was interesting And I think I've shared this before, but just for the sake of it, because it's June, coming out to my parents as ACE is very funny because my youngest sibling came out as trans and non-binary and my parents were confused and talking and my mom was just like so what, everyone's queer? And I was like well, i'm asexual. And my mom went no, you're not. And moved on And I was like the funniest response.

Speaker 1 21:03

Wrong answer. Try again.

Speaker 2 21:07

So that was absolutely zany, but I mean. But the thing is like, you know, whatever they and they're also on weird Facebook groups and stuff, so like they are finding ways especially this one To find weird Facebook groups. Like my dad will just be, like it will show me a meme and he's like is this funny? And it's clearly like a right wing terrible thing, and I'm like no give me your computer.

Speaker 3 21:32

Oh, so you mean the standard Facebook group?

Speaker 2 21:34

The standard. you're right, Sorry.

Speaker 1 21:37

He's on Facebook groups, got it.

Speaker 2 21:42

Yeah, it really went. That website really went from like hey, we all like built a spill right To like January 6th again this year, how we feel it Like, yeah, what a shift, it's tough.

Speaker 1 21:55

It's tough, but I mean it sounds like they are generally accepting There's no love lost. It sounds like between you and your.

Speaker 2 22:04

No it all it is That's you know, whatever struggles they have to learn, I feel like I respect that they are doing everything they're doing, because if someone's like, okay, whatever, I don't feel like that's actually changing your mind. Even if your heart's fine, you are not working through it. So you know, you've got your heart chakra in check, That's great. But your third eye you're not really doing a lot of work there. So I appreciate that my parents are pushing through every step to fully understand and appreciate and celebrate, And that's the thing I like. That's the thing I like that they're doing.

Speaker 1 22:41

Yeah, it's this weird thing because, like, that's awesome For me, it's. you know, there's a couple of family members, close family members, that have come out And you know, based on my parents' reaction, i have some mixed feelings where I'm like, kind of and, by the way, they I struggled to say the word accepting, but I will say that their love for them hasn't changed. They love them dearly, will treat them in all the ways that they would treat any you know cousin of ours kind of thing, but they still express their difficulty with the concept Like it's still. it's not an open acceptance, it's not a like it's not what I was talking about earlier like duh, this obviously you should be able to do. Like it's definitely not that.

Speaker 1 23:42

It is a lot more. you know like well, you know we still love it's a little. you know, hate the sin, not the sinner, kind of a vibe to it. And the mixed emotions is like I'm almost thankful that I'm not, that I am straight, a straight cis man, because it just, it is just easier. It's like, but just purely based on that Now, based upon all the amazing lifestyle and cool parties that I feel like I'm not as much a part of I wish I was not. I feel like it would be a much more interesting life. but you know, it's like it is this weird thing where I'm like, you know, wow, i really do have it easier, you know, because I know my parents have difficulty. there is a bias for them still, and it would be a lot more challenging. But then I also wonder, like man, if one of us was did come out as queer, you know.

Speaker 2 24:43

Would that change? Would that?

Speaker 1 24:44

change them? Would that melt their hearts in a different way, would they have a different perspective on it than if it was a cousin? you know, probably. And then I also wonder this I sit there and go like you know, hold on, mom, you got six brothers and sisters. Like, really none of them are not you, you think none of them are. You think none of them are queer, really, yeah, and like all of their, you know spouses that's 12 there. Yeah, just to tickle you, i mean, yeah, it's just interesting. But yeah, you know, i.

Speaker 1 25:22

For us it was like you know, when we and we'll move on to the next segment soon after this but like for a, i wanted to make sure that, as a very kind of down the middle straight dude, that like I wanted my cousins to feel like super embraced and loved and respected, like they actually my cousins.

Speaker 1 25:48

My cousin and his partner married us at like an sort of hybrid Indian ceremony, and so that for us was also like yeah, by the way, everybody, we look up to their couple, them as like the bar, yeah, as the bar, as like the pinnacle, you know, like their relationship is so beautiful to us that we want to emulate it, because it doesn't matter that they're both guys, that like the way they love each other is what we love and is what we want to hold ourselves to, right And wanted to just like, literally put that in all of our family's faces and for like them, to like, hopefully, have to reconcile with that a little bit, to be like, yeah, they are that respected by this, this generation, you know you don't have to worry about. This is the thing. This is the thing.

Speaker 1 26:43

My cousin, my grandfather, wanted to understand them better When he when they came out to him, he did this really cool thing where he was like okay, i want to stay with you, i want to stay at your house for a week. Oh, wow, really.

Speaker 3 27:02

And he stayed with them.

Speaker 1 27:03

Yeah, he just wanted to like be around them to see what it was like literally And like talk about progressive and talk about like. So he is more open than I think his kids are. His kids were because he took it in such an interesting way And after staying with them he was like okay, i get it, i get it now. Because from their generation it was saying that you're gay or queer in any way meant you were cast out of society and the family. You were cast, you were outcast or you had to hide it and you had to do all these unscrupulous things. There was criminal activity, like it was all underground and people died, people like. To him it was like, oh my gosh, i'm gonna lose you. And then, once he realized, oh no, i'm not. In fact, all of your cousins love you the same, once he experienced that, he was like okay, this is great, i get it. So I'm like.

Pride Merchandise Critique With LGBTQ+ Guest

Speaker 2 28:03

I love that. I love that Let me live with you. I wish more people could be like my dad, yeah me too, man, all right, what a great way to wrap that up because I feel like that's such a great, especially like day-sea perspective on like that's the thing for, especially for the old generation. But you know, we, Sandeep, exist in kind of a different sphere. We live in Los Angeles, Yeah, that's true, And I feel like we ask ourselves different questions Like, for example, our next segment, could this be gay or?

Speaker 3 28:37

I don't know if that sound effect. good, that was perfect.

Speaker 1 28:40

That's right, folks, we will be well. Actually, we haven't explained what this is And I'm so excited. Do you want to take?

Speaker 2 28:47

this on me. Do you want to do that? Sure. So the idea is that like, listen, there's a lot of merch, There's a lot of see, you know what. You're finally being accepted when everybody's trying to sell you shit.

Speaker 1 28:56

You're trying to. When it was a capitalistic, you know you're trying to sell you shit. You're trying to. You know you're trying to sell you shit. You're trying to. When capitalism is trying to capitalize on whatever your movement is and take your money, you're like, oh, we're finally making it.

Speaker 1 29:11

And I think we, you know, you'd have to be living under a rock to not have seen all the merch that's been coming out surrounding pride, and some of it is pretty cringe. Some of it, yeah, hey, it's great, we're again. It's putting everything out there. It's making it more normalized and more real, and we love that. But we're also going to take the piss out of it a little bit And we're going to go through some products. Okay, and so so we're, we're, we're pitched some ideas on how to make them, you know, more gay, more fantastical, more awesome, and we're going to have a special guest join us for this as well, and so we'd like to bring on our editor, sean, who is a part of the LGBTQ community. Welcome, sean. And he's here because I'm so straight, basically, to balance me, to give me shit. I don't know, sean, why are you here? Why are you here? You just want to be in the show. It's what's.

Speaker 4 30:20

Hi gay, That's what I want to say first. All right.

Speaker 3 30:24

There it is. Yeah, there it is.

Speaker 4 30:27

I. it's pride You got to have some representation.

Speaker 2 30:30

Let's go, yes, yes.

Speaker 3 30:32

Yes absolutely.

Speaker 2 30:33

Are you having a good, are you having a good pride?

Speaker 4 30:34

so far, Sean I am, though I got to be honest when Sandeep was talking about going to the pride parade and spending it with his kid and experiencing all this. I have yet to go to a pride event.

Speaker 2 30:48

No.

Speaker 4 30:57

And I was very much, i was very much channeling the top gun volleyball scene.

Speaker 1 31:04

Yeah, ok, 100 percent I feel like is very homerotic and I think it is Pride in its own way, 100 percent homerotic, and that is the gayest scene of that movie, in the best way. And you know so, i think you're doing, i think you're doing great, sean, you know so, don't don't.

Speaker 4 31:19

Oh my God, Don't feel bad. So much coming from you So much Straight man.

Speaker 3 31:24

That means so much.

Speaker 4 31:25

Thank you, you're doing great, great.

Speaker 1 31:27

You know, if I could put, my straight stamp on how you're doing your pride.

Speaker 4 31:33

I'll take it, i'll put it on with the boys.

Speaker 1 31:36

Come on, you're doing fine So.

Speaker 2 31:39

Did you have? did you have a soundtrack for volleyball? No, we actually didn't today.

Speaker 4 31:43

We did not have a yeah, nothing. OK, never mind Back You know I came from the Tony's, though Shout out.

Speaker 3 31:50

Ok, you're back And you're back.

Speaker 4 31:53

Yeah, exactly. So I was listening to a lot of musical theater today, which I feel I feel very gay about that as well, which is great.

Speaker 2 32:01

There you go. Ok, all right, so we're in. So I feel like you passed the credentials test.

Speaker 4 32:09

OK, thank God.

Speaker 1 32:10

Says the straight guy and then the guy that's on the plus of the LGBTQ plus.

Speaker 3 32:17

Listen Omar Omar.

Speaker 4 32:18

I'm trying to get them to move that up you know I'm trying to get to them.

Speaker 2 32:23

I'm trying to get it to be a LGBT I'm just alphabetical order would be a lot easier for everybody.

Speaker 3 32:29

I say ally, ally.

Speaker 2 32:31

LGBT sounds great.

Speaker 1 32:33

Yeah, sure, yeah, i was going to say where am. I on the kit Can. Is there a place for allies?

Speaker 3 32:40

Well, on the Sunday, or just I'm out, i'm just out.

Speaker 4 32:44

Here's the thing. Here's the thing.

Speaker 3 32:46

Some of the outside looking in.

Speaker 4 32:47

You can literally you ever OK. Sunday you've heard of queer baiting.

Speaker 2 32:50

Yeah.

Speaker 3 32:51

Yeah, yeah, you can do a career out of it, yeah, Well, here's the thing.

Speaker 4 32:58

Sunday You made Legend of Neil, which I feel like automatically makes you kind of gay.

Speaker 1 33:04

A lot of butts in it, a lot of butts, a lot of exposed butts.

Speaker 4 33:07

Absolutely So. I think. I don't want to give you the card yet, you know, because I haven't talked to my superiors, but I think you're allowed. You're absolutely allowed.

Speaker 1 33:18

Oh OK. I've had several people, my wife included, say, when they first met me, they thought I was gay. Does that count for anything?

Speaker 4 33:28

That actually really does, actually, that actually we should be celebrating you this month.

Speaker 1 33:34

That is several people. Oh, who are you?

Speaker 4 33:37

Firstly, i've had it's hard to believe, i've had people that asked me out thinking I was straight. No, i had to be like oh, sorry, sorry, sorry. Sorry, sorry Yeah sorry, Sorry, this one's taken this Sorry. This game wants to hit on me.

Speaker 1 33:58

Sorry you bird, i don't do broads.

Speaker 4 34:01

Yeah, i had to think that I was straight, including, i think, actually someone on this call. I thought I was straight for a little bit, which is I just somebody.

Speaker 1 34:09

you're dead, i just didn't know.

Speaker 4 34:10

I'm not going to assume. I know it was not you.

Speaker 3 34:13

It was not me.

Speaker 1 34:14

I didn't. I was supposed to know I can't stereotype me, you can't tell.

Speaker 2 34:22

To be clear also, i am also bi, so I, the second, I have chemists like a mild amount of like this person's fun to talk to. I'm just like, oh, you're queer, got it.

Speaker 4 34:31

Oh, ok, yeah.

Speaker 2 34:32

Yeah, I got that.

Speaker 4 34:33

Absolutely get that.

Speaker 2 34:34

Yeah, So if you're a chore, you're straight. Well wait, are you hearing the note?

Speaker 1 34:43

I think I'll just sit out this segment.

Speaker 3 34:46

We need you.

Speaker 2 34:48

No, because here's the thing, folks, we're going to go to the.

Speaker 3 34:50

We're going to pitch.

Speaker 2 34:52

We're going to pitch that to Sean. We would make them care.

Speaker 4 34:55

What's hilarious is that I feel like I was in the conversation to like what this segment was, and even now, to this moment, i do understand what exactly it is worth doing.

Speaker 1 35:05

Hey guess what We don't either. OK, hilarious, and you're going to like now and now. if you can't fix it in post, it's your fault, because you're on the second.

Speaker 3 35:15

So and you're the judge for it too.

Speaker 4 35:17

So this is pride, my son. I'm not editing this. What are you talking about? I?

Speaker 3 35:21

have.

Speaker 1 35:22

OK.

Speaker 2 35:23

OK, I have going out as it was. Then can you imagine if all the gays got June off. That would be, Oh my gosh.

Speaker 4 35:34

Incredible. All the public, all the Republican senators, would have anyone to fuck.

Speaker 2 35:42

They'd have a month. So we're going to cycle through a couple of products and we're going to pitch to you, sean, how we would probably just make them a little more inclusive, a little bit, and I do want to say.

Speaker 4 35:53

I know you all started this podcast with being like oh, it's a month of love, it's Pride Month It is. you know we're not doing cohost and host. Yeah, it's, because we're not about labels.

Speaker 2 36:02

Here's the love is, love is love You all about those fucking labels, all right.

Speaker 4 36:08

So I want you to know that I absolutely will be judging you and I will be choosing a winner, whether or not you whether or not you take that as fact is up to you, but I will definitely be judging, OK, OK.

Speaker 1 36:22

I'm going to work it.

Speaker 3 36:25

OK, ok.

Speaker 4 36:25

OK, ok, ok OK.

LGBTQ Grooming Product Marketing

Speaker 3 36:26

Right, here we go. Your first product is the Body and Balls grooming kit.

Speaker 4 36:31

Easy, easy Starting off the low baller.

Speaker 2 36:33

But I'm just I think we I mean Yeah.

Speaker 1 36:39

Like first of all, right, Just add a, an extension or whatever that sucks your dick. I mean Like it's already there. You're already. you're already down there, so add some. add a flashlight adapter, i'm so, so you're saying that.

Speaker 4 36:58

you're saying that gay people actually don't know how to suck dick, so they need to get a machine to do it for them.

Speaker 1 37:03

I'm saying gay people like their dick sucked, and so why not also have a machine do it?

Speaker 4 37:07

That's all OK, OK, OK, cool. I don't think that's controversial.

Speaker 2 37:12

OK yeah. Oh well, mine was going to be adding a rainbow.

Speaker 4 37:19

You get one, omar, you get one, but I'm not going to let you just walk the park. I think walking the park with this for every single one. You know what about what about, what about?

Speaker 2 37:29

And I want to be clear and pitch like this, like I'm in the exact meet, the exact meetings.

Speaker 4 37:33

OK, of course.

Speaker 2 37:35

What about if it's his and his balsam body groomer?

Speaker 3 37:38

Oh, oh, it's a couple.

Speaker 4 37:42

So you do it while you're docking.

Speaker 1 37:45

Or is it like wait, is it like I like that idea And then also, or is it like you know, a nuclear device where you like, you both have to be like, you both have to have the keys to get a term. at the same time, both balls have to be be set and ready to groom for the thing to function.

Speaker 4 38:05

OK, so I love the how you emphasize the codependency of gay people, which is very accurate.

Speaker 1 38:12

It's a connective moment.

Speaker 4 38:14

I do like that. Now, here's my question. Here's my question. OK, sure, and it's a little bit serious and this is for both of you.

Speaker 2 38:19

Oh OK now Listen.

Speaker 4 38:23

in the current climate, grooming is such a loaded term.

Speaker 2 38:27

Oh, good for you.

Speaker 4 38:29

The LGBTQ community right. OK, so I'm wondering for all of for each of you is there a better pitch for, like how we term this kind of, like how we spin this as like a positive? or how we like get away from the whole grooming aspect of it.

Speaker 2 38:43

Yeah, we, 100 percent, would get rid of that word There. So we're left, sandy. We're left with balls and body.

Speaker 1 38:51

I mean, here's the like. The problem with the whole grooming thing is that it's like Entirely inaccurate. So I more want to shift the idea that gays are grooming anyone to like who's grooming who? you're the one like forcing kids to learn fucking Christmas carols. Like who's grooming people. The church is grooming people. Gave all that grooming people. You're grooming them to close themselves off of that, yeah, so we have balls and body.

Speaker 4 39:27

The church is actually the ones grooming your youth.

Speaker 1 39:31

Yeah, who's grooming who? I mean, who is it The fucking like actual pedophilic cases? Is it the Catholic Church? or is it RuPaul's fucking drag race? Now I think it's the Catholic Church, sorry, a lot of real estate on the packaging.

Speaker 4 39:48

I love all what you're saying, but we do have to get kind of like a sound bite, like a quick little catchy little phrase, right? Do you think you could synthesize that into like a singular idea, that it's like a catchphrase?

Speaker 1 40:01

Yeah, it would just be balls and body grooming parenthetical, not like the church. That's all Okay, it's just. It's just clarifying that we're not grooming like the church does.

Speaker 4 40:11

Omar, do you have a rebuttal? I guess I got it.

Speaker 2 40:16

I will bed bath and bed bath and beyond has gone out of business Rip, so I'm thinking the original Queens, the, i'm thinking maybe we just add beyond at the end, balls, body and beyond.

Speaker 3 40:34

So funny, that's pretty great.

Speaker 4 40:37

What you're saying is. I like that we market our product by putting in a different IP, kind of Yeah, we're really expanding our brand by using a dead IP.

Speaker 2 40:50

Because here's the thing for me, groom like the process of trimming yourself, is not like a date night. Sunday was when the impression it is and his pitches are constantly like we do this together.

Speaker 4 41:05

Constantly. We've done one constantly.

Speaker 2 41:09

So I'm going to my pitch.

Speaker 1 41:12

Mine was the flesh like adapter.

Speaker 4 41:17

This is Omar's time to speak.

Speaker 2 41:20

So maybe, maybe we maybe Balls, body and poppers.

Speaker 4 41:26

All right, I've come to a conclusion based on all of these really, really great ideas And I don't want to say that, like any of you are giving bad ideas which are blue skying this right now And I do think that all of these are absolutely like we could market this. We could Okay, good, we could work with it. You know, i do have to think. The winner of this round, i got to say so deep.

Speaker 3 41:47

You know, yeah.

Speaker 4 41:49

Because, omar, here's the thing Which terrible idea The rainbow automatically bad, start right because you're pandering to the norm And we're not about the norm here at bed, bath and body works or whoever this balls and body and grooming balls, balls, body and beyond. We want a product that makes you question things, You know. We want a product that has a paragraph about the church and how it's grooming practices. Okay, how the humanities not involved in that whatsoever.

Speaker 2 42:21

I'm getting a better sense of the company's who has alter boys, so I'm saying yeah okay.

Speaker 3 42:26

Yeah, I will.

Speaker 2 42:27

Yeah, i'm operating at a disadvantage here, i will say because I'm closer on the general scales of my tastes, used more towards lesbian culture. I have a Phoebe Bridger's tattoo on my body.

Speaker 4 42:37

I don't know how it's hurting And you just got that right for this podcast.

Speaker 1 42:40

It's still read And it's still my second.

Speaker 4 42:44

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 42:45

Yeah, okay So.

Speaker 4 42:47

Omar, i'm definitely taking that into account, absolutely.

Speaker 1 42:50

All right.

Marketing to the LGBTQ+ Community

Speaker 4 42:51

I'm definitely taking them into account. and let's be real, let's be very clear, all right. Okay, gay women are also gay. Yes, i'm the. I know I'm the first person to say that. Wow, but that is true Taking a stand.

Speaker 2 43:02

Okay, first you heard it. You heard it here first folks. So I'm saying, if you want to, market towards gay women as well.

Speaker 4 43:09

While I might not be the best adjudicator of that, I do have one of the two words in common with them. So okay, I think I am. I think I also have like a ton of gay women friends.

Speaker 3 43:22

That's amazing.

Speaker 4 43:25

So many I can't even name them.

Speaker 2 43:26

You know it's like Kind of full.

Speaker 4 43:29

Yeah, all right, it's just like so many of them.

Speaker 1 43:32

Okay So maybe for this is great. Sean, just edit all that stuff out.

Speaker 4 43:36

Sure, absolutely So.

Speaker 3 43:38

Sandeep wins next for this Okay.

Speaker 4 43:40

Let's go to the next one. All right, here we go.

Speaker 3 43:42

All right. Next up, we have blue Atlas Cologne.

Speaker 2 43:46

I said I was this one. I was pitching to the lesbian community, okay.

Speaker 4 43:50

Yeah, omar, why did you start? Why did you start?

Speaker 2 43:53

You know what? Jenny Lewis on the, on the, on the front of this, let's get rid of that BA and let's put an icon in a suit. I'm thinking a white Jenny Lewis in the white with like rainbow ombre suit. It's not for the rainbow colors, it's just what she had for Voyager, and and that's kind of what I'm feeling right now.

Speaker 4 44:21

Let's just real quick, Omar. I'm not Googling Jenny Lewis, but how do you spell that? So I just know who this icon is.

Speaker 2 44:30

You are because you're 17 years old. That's why Wow. I'm just a little beat. And then why L E W I S? Thank you very much.

Speaker 4 44:41

Oh yeah, okay, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha Yeah.

Speaker 2 44:45

I see, yeah, a series of a series of gay icons. Okay Yeah, name five more than.

Speaker 4 44:52

Freddie Mercury Okay, we're talking about. You're doing lesbian icons, though, right? Mm hmm, okay, so name five more lesbian.

Speaker 1 45:01

I'm so glad this is a test.

Speaker 3 45:04

Oh, so big Europe next. That's a good option.

Speaker 2 45:07

Barry Larson, all three singers in boy genius Rosie O'Donnell. I heard Shout it out. I will go ahead and give that Margaret show. Well, no, i'm not pitching to gay men, so not Margaret show, sorry.

Speaker 3 45:22

Like an Allen. There you go.

Speaker 4 45:24

You did mention some really great ones. I will say three. Larson is definitely a gay icon, okay. I don't know if it's a lesbian icon, but I will. I think, umbrella terms. I think it's all of them. You did not, Unfortunately. I'm enough to do key points.

Speaker 1 45:38

Zena.

Speaker 4 45:39

You did not mention Stephanie shoe right. Everything at Barala ones Yeah.

Speaker 2 45:43

So I'm getting docked points.

Speaker 1 45:46

Okay, i, okay, i'm also didn't mention He also didn't mention everyone in oranges in the new black, so I feel like that's.

Speaker 4 45:53

I was getting close.

Speaker 1 45:54

Where was?

Speaker 4 45:55

Natasha Leon Where? where was Natasha Leon?

Speaker 2 45:59

Probably hard at work on another.

Speaker 4 46:01

Oh, my God, you know she is you know she is chain smoking in that writer's room right now coming up with the next best thing right, so yeah, so gay icons, the collection That's my.

Speaker 1 46:13

Okay, okay.

Speaker 4 46:14

Um Sandeep, what. What have you for ideas? Pretty good.

Speaker 1 46:19

Um, I just think we, I think you got to change the fragrance itself. I think it should smell like the rumor of Zac Efron being gay. Not Zac Efron. It should smell like the rumor gossip. Yeah, yeah, it's the scent of gossip. That's what I want.

Speaker 4 46:38

That's what I want I feel like that gossip smell like You know it.

Speaker 1 46:43

What's the scent? You know what it smells like.

Speaker 4 46:44

I know I do, Sandeep, but I'm wondering about your taste. It makes you And what you smell.

Speaker 1 46:48

It's one of those indescribable smells, that. But you know it. When you smell it and you kind of like have to like, you like turn and you're like did I just did I catch a whiff of that And it sort of goes away. You can't tell where it's coming from, Like it should be a cologne that you don't know who's wearing it.

Speaker 4 47:07

That's the whole thing about cologne is that it's not meant for a specific person, it's like it's supposed to just be in the air Right.

Speaker 1 47:14

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 47:15

Yeah.

Speaker 3 47:16

Anonymity Absolutely.

Speaker 4 47:19

Anonymity, because the gay community is all about being quiet and subdued.

Speaker 1 47:24

And these are not my words.

Speaker 4 47:26

Like absolutely. These are not my words Ending in with the crowd Right It's like.

Speaker 1 47:31

No, it's making everyone smell. like The smell, like the smell. you know it's spreading the smell And so you're not sure who it is, because you think it might be everybody.

Speaker 4 47:40

So it's about confetti.

Speaker 1 47:41

Yeah, It's about inclusion. It's about yeah, it should be more like it's a contagion.

Speaker 4 47:48

Wow, oh, my goodness.

Speaker 2 47:51

If I lose this one, I swear to God.

Speaker 3 47:53

So is this like a grooming cologne that you're pitching here? I swear to God.

Speaker 4 47:56

Watch me doing back flips, trying to get something to win. Honestly, I cannot see Sunday Listen what.

Speaker 1 48:05

Why can't?

Speaker 4 48:06

it's like I don't want to say you fumble the bag, because I honestly, don't even think you had it in the first place. Yeah, i got to. I got to say yeah, it's just. everything about your argument was incorrect And I think about. Omar's was correct, yeah.

Speaker 1 48:22

I'm pretty straight.

Speaker 4 48:24

To go to Omar, absolutely, i think I agree.

Speaker 2 48:28

And with this point can I say that for Christmas We're going to release one where Kristen Stewart ends up with the Aubrey Plaza character instead of the clearly toxic character. for Christmas, Let's be in Hulu film.

Speaker 4 48:39

Gotcha. Actually, this one goes to Sunday.

Speaker 3 48:44

Amazing, all right.

Speaker 2 48:50

What's next?

Speaker 3 48:52

Next up, we got good old Levi's blue jeans.

Speaker 4 48:55

Oh, okay, yes, this one's like it's good first. Yeah Well, actually heads or tails Sunday Say heads or tails heads or tails. I didn't put the coin. I'll say you go first.

Speaker 1 49:09

Okay, great That works. We all love the Reebok pump right.

Speaker 2 49:17

Yes.

Speaker 1 49:18

So I think we want shrink to fit jeans. that also right where you can regulate the bulge, you know. so it's not just more bulge, it's what the bulge you want to present.

Speaker 2 49:33

How do you, how do you pump it, wait?

Speaker 4 49:35

let him cook.

Speaker 2 49:36

Let him cook.

Speaker 4 49:40

Tell me more. Yeah, how do you?

Speaker 1 49:42

pump it. How do you pump it? I mean the button in the front, obviously, and it can also be pumped by your lover or whomever you want to pump it, you know. So that's basically it, though. Yeah, yeah, had a had a Reebok pump bulge. Now okay something to the the shrink to fit jeans. I mean it, just to me it's obvious. Cindy, okay, i'll say this because size matters.

Speaker 4 50:13

I will say absolutely, i'm loving this idea. In fact, i'm going to move this idea on through the initial phase and we are now making a commercial. Okay, we are making commercial for these new pump. Okay.

Speaker 1 50:26

And, by the way, this is good for straight men too.

Speaker 4 50:28

I mean, this is absolutely And I think, yeah, exactly your place to your audience. So I just want you to tell me what, what this commercial looks like for these jeans. Okay, what's the copy? What are the visuals? What's going on in this? Dude, I'm too tired for that shit You took so many UCB classes Sunday, you have to get the game, okay.

Speaker 1 50:48

Yes, And all right, It's. Listen, it's, here's the thing. You don't even show the product. You don't even show the product, You show the reactions. You show this, this person walking. You don't even see the jeans and you just see the turns, the looks, the, the blushes, the like, the emotion that it presents. Yeah, What are they into? Like what, what are they like? stopping everything? you know, the window washer, that's like huh. And then, like you know, let's go of the bucket because, like, they're just so distracted by whatever it is, And then it's just boom, QR code. Don't even like Wow just a QR code.

Speaker 1 51:32

Don't say. don't say what it is, Don't nothing.

Speaker 2 51:35

So we're not pulling a Batman situation. We're going to zoom in on the butt and zoom in on the crotch.

Speaker 1 51:40

No, no, no, no So you can put it up to the imagination. Okay, yeah, okay, let's basically it is.

Speaker 4 51:47

I love this idea. Okay, so I think I'm going to toss it over to omar with the full knowledge that, so I'm going to win this round.

Speaker 2 51:56

Try your best. But Um, jeans, really in today's day and age For summer, Yes, tell me more.

Speaker 3 52:08

God.

Speaker 2 52:10

Three words for you. Are you ready? Yep, negative size inseam. That's right, we're going up. We're going up.

Speaker 1 52:20

Okay.

Speaker 4 52:21

Okay, omar, i know I said something was going to win, but you really have me intrigued. Okay, what does a product like a negative size inseam look like on a person?

Speaker 2 52:33

It's a V cut. It's a V cut up. I want to boys, i want to see them hips I want to see those hips. Target is always going like oh, it's June, so here's shorts that have a six inch inseam. No, no, no, no, no, we're going up, we're actually going. This is going to cut up, so you're going to show off as much of those worked out legs as we possibly can. Sun's out, bun's out, sean. Okay, omar, question for you. Do you see?

Speaker 4 52:58

taint.

Speaker 2 53:02

Yes, okay, how about as a digit?

Speaker 4 53:03

How about dick and or balls?

Speaker 2 53:06

A tasteful amount of both.

Speaker 1 53:08

Like cleavage, like ball Balls.

Speaker 4 53:12

Okay, now it's ball, omar, trending towards your lesbian community. How does this fit on lesbians? Comfortably, omar wins.

Speaker 1 53:27

God damn it.

Speaker 4 53:28

So I want to say you were really running there, but that comfortably pushed it over the edge, because of course lesbians do things for comfort. Comfort, of course, absolutely. It's why.

Speaker 2 53:40

Netflix exists, all right.

Speaker 1 53:44

Here's I should lose. I feel like I got nothing left to lose, so it's like you know.

Speaker 4 53:49

Any victory to Omar is really like you still have respect So far you still have my respect. So, that can be gone by the end of this podcast. That's highly likely.

Speaker 2 54:01

So anyone's game, anyone's game.

Speaker 4 54:03

Wow, diego really hit us with a really loaded charge as product.

Speaker 3 54:09

Yup, here's your next one of the list Diego's got for you. It's Bud Light.

Speaker 4 54:12

Okay, here's my thing Here, before we even start this one. Okay, okay, i think Bud Light has been marketed up. The lawsuit right.

Speaker 3 54:20

Yes.

Speaker 4 54:21

Like we don't want to change Bud Light, but I think it's all about how it's marketed. Okay, so let's just do this without changing the product itself. Can you give me, just like, the copy of a commercial that is absolutely, 100% pandering towards the LGBTQ community? Okay, omar, it seems really excited about this one.

Speaker 2 54:49

You said pandering Yeah.

Advertising LGBTQ+ Representation in Beer Commercials

Speaker 4 54:51

No, I want the most explicit details. I want this for no one except gay people. Bud Light is for gay people. Is what I want. Okay.

Speaker 2 54:59

We start on an alarm clock going off. Okay, gay people love waking up Right Sunny morning. A mixed race child Stretch is a beautiful day.

Speaker 1 55:18

Can my son be cast in this?

Speaker 2 55:22

Good morning dads. And it's two married men making breakfast together and they say good morning child. And they have breakfast together. They laugh. Maybe there's a little food fight situation. Chichichichi, your homework I did. Thanks to you, dads. And then it's like we love you so much, child And the child. Then the bus comes here and the bus goes. Gay dads, the bus is here And then they go have a great day at school, honey, and the child goes. Thank you, dads. Two kisses on the cheek simultaneously. They love the child exactly the same. The child loves them exactly the same. Child runs out, gets on the bus, the door's doors close, match cut to them standing in the doorway which I understand is not a match cut And they hold hands and they look at each other and they kiss Bud Light.

Speaker 4 56:15

Okay, all right. Okay, omar, some notes Some notes, i'm just shocked Okay One, when you involved kids in it and school. You immediately, immediately, just family like 50% of the LGBTQ community because a lot of them do not want or like children right, I did not know that So so I'm not I'm not saying that's like a total bummer, because there are a lot that do like and have children, right, but I think that starting with a child and a child that's named child as well in a beer commercial?

Speaker 1 57:02

it might be. Has there ever been a child in a beer commercial like ever, yeah like a child comes.

Speaker 4 57:12

It's like a Snickers commercial. A dad's acting really mad and a child comes in, cracks open a blue moon and is like hey dad, you're not you when you're sober. And then he gives him the fucking beer.

Speaker 2 57:30

There's always time for a first.

Speaker 4 57:35

All right, children, and okay, i'm calling for more children and beer commercials. Now more children and beer commercials.

Speaker 2 57:41

My idea doesn't have to be good, it just has to be better than some deep.

Speaker 1 57:47

There we go, baby.

Speaker 4 57:49

All right, some deep. Yeah, the mic has been passed to you. What you got for me?

Speaker 1 57:53

All right. So there's a just a lovely, absolute gaggle of queer friends all going to a convenience store, to you know, to get to get some fuel for the party. And they, they pick up there. They're there, you know, just 30 rack after 30 rack of Bud Light. obviously that is their beer of choice. They come out of the parking lot and they stop.

Speaker 1 58:25

They stop dead because and one of them drops their 30 rack and it tumbles down to the feet of These cowboy boots chef, where D style love it, love it Yeah and we pay, we tilt up to reveal just the most, like Probably the scariest thing to see this, like Confederate flag Wearing, waving, pick up truck, like, just like the Villain no, the cartoon villain of, like, of, of hate. Really, these guys and they're ready to brawl, i mean these guys like this is gonna be, this is gonna be a hate crime that we're about to witness. This is not, this is this is not okay.

Speaker 4 59:15

Oh, and I want to say this is this commercial also is airing right after fucking Avid elementary. No, I don't respect.

Speaker 1 59:27

And You know it's, it's, it's. It's not looking good for our heroes, But one of them pushes themselves to the front.

Speaker 4 59:37

Okay, it's the short one, obviously, and and I got some deep wood say that yeah, yeah, and and and.

Speaker 1 59:47

They're tough as nails And they walk right up to those guys and they pick up their 30 rack. It opened it up. And they pop open a can of beer and it just slow mo, sprays up Into their faces everywhere right, the rest and the rest of the pals, they get it on it. This is their only weapon to fight back. They grab all of the other cans of beers and they start spraying Everywhere and it becomes the gas station scene in a, in In Zoolander, basically, where there's just that the bud lights just like flowing out and spraying in their Faces and their necks and their backs and dripping down them And then it gets hot. Okay, because here's what's happening. They're converting them. What gay person doesn't love to make a straight guy gay? But I mean they, you guys love it. You guys what you love, you, you love it. I lose this one. No, no, hear me out here.

Speaker 4 1:00:50

Tell me more about what we love.

Speaker 1 1:00:51

The amount of my gay friends that are that are like that Love to uncloset people. Because that's what's happening here They're being uncloseted and it just becomes this loving scene where they just, oh they just express their love on each other.

Speaker 4 1:01:11

I want to express their love on each other, sunsie fucking, they fuck and they fuck they.

Speaker 1 1:01:15

They fuck the Confederate flag Into a rainbow flag, and so, and then, boom credit, the tagline goes up. Tagline goes up and it's yeah, it's like Spray your gay, spray your gay.

Speaker 2 1:01:36

Spray your. I'll say, i'll say this Sean, spray your gay. I'll say this Sean spray your gay did.

Speaker 4 1:01:44

But like things spray your gay thing with Sunday Is that like there have been two references of like being gay as being a contagion, of like spray, like spray gay And like spread the gay to other people, which I will say is in the zeitgeist now what people think it is, what a lot of people think it is, which is it is not all right.

Speaker 1 1:02:06

That's fair. That's fair So no, but Sunday.

Speaker 4 1:02:09

I really love a lot of what you're putting down. Okay, i love a lot.

Speaker 1 1:02:13

I'm saying that they're closet, can?

Speaker 4 1:02:15

I just say that they're closeted. Okay, here's the thing. Okay, here's the thing. Sunday actually, the whole closeted bully that beats up a gay kid. It's pretty reductive, right, because it's. It's not about being positive, it's about being a bully and that's not. It's not, i think.

Speaker 1 1:02:34

But. But like I saw that sophomore in college, bud light can solve that?

Speaker 3 1:02:38

how many bud lights to turn you gay?

Speaker 4 1:02:43

That's the premise, that the premise of your short film you weren't in on this one, but I think we should run with what you got cut this appears to be the tagline for the film this, this episode never gonna.

Speaker 4 1:02:56

Oh, because that we say gay too much in it. So No, okay. So I really like a lot of what you're putting down. Yeah, i like the whole standing up against hate kind of thing I Like the Pepsi commercial. you know, that's what that's exactly what it's like in the fact that the and I think we should learn from That, because the Pepsi was what bad right?

Speaker 1 1:03:18

So it wasn't I don't know, we're still talking about it, oh.

Speaker 4 1:03:25

God, i can go for a Pepsi right now. I'm just thinking about.

Speaker 3 1:03:28

Thirsty.

Speaker 4 1:03:29

Jenner, miss Jenner, popping open a can to those policemen just like absolutely getting the crack. I think this one does have to go to Omar, though I really Thank you, thank you, i It's.

Speaker 1 1:03:47

I'm problematic, i know yeah.

Speaker 4 1:03:50

It's so hard when you're so much to learn when you're watching a work of an auteur, right, right, which is what you are. Some people are not for and you're there to take it you have to take it as full, like oh, this is a work by Sunday Pre-yeah. This is, this is a Sunday pre-production.

Speaker 1 1:04:05

It's definitely directed by a straight guy, that whole commercial. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 1:04:09

So I think you have to take it in context, but in context, and especially coming right after Abed elementary Prime time block right, it just would not go over. Well, i think so maybe if you put it on a different show, if you Scheduled it a little bit better And fortunately you did it. You didn't say anything about that, about schedule maybe after the view?

Speaker 2 1:04:29

Yeah, yeah. And also, how is it?

Speaker 4 1:04:31

streamers right like how is it to work on HBO and and Netflix when they?

Speaker 1 1:04:35

get eggs, It's yeah it's not. It's not oh, it's perfect for HBO.

Speaker 4 1:04:41

Did you have it? do you have a five-second? I'm sorry for max. Do you have a five-second cut for YouTube that really gets your point across, of that, of that commercial?

Speaker 1 1:04:50

Yeah, it's just the Confederate flag turning into a rainbow flag.

Speaker 2 1:04:59

That one's pretty good, that was pretty good. All right, we've got one last one. I do think through oh wait, we do, we have one, last one, we got one last one.

Speaker 4 1:05:06

Okay, then the point goes back to Sunday, because I want you guys to be tied.

Speaker 1 1:05:12

No, no, no. You can no make the last round worth three points, or whatever.

Speaker 4 1:05:15

Okay last one is worth. Okay, sure, sure, sure, delvin, stop whatever you were doing, all right. Last one's worth three points apparently, i.

Speaker 3 1:05:24

Know it's up. Yeah, it's up to you if you shout How many points you want to give for this guys.

Speaker 4 1:05:27

I'll give this one honestly. If you win negative one points Oh.

Speaker 3 1:05:34

So we're trying to All right, dave Chappelle is your final round, oh.

Speaker 1 1:05:42

Man. So how do we make pretty?

Speaker 4 1:05:45

big air.

Speaker 4 1:05:46

Okay, big air, here's the thing you can totally do. We can do How to make Dave Chappelle gayer. We can totally do that And your ideas are all in the open. We could also do a Tagline a. I know we've been describing a lot of commercials. I want a copy of a commercial for Dave Chappelle's Netflix special. You know okay What is Dave's about. Like like tune in to see, you know that kind of thing. Like It's a commercial that is trying to get gay people to watch the Dave Chappelle special. It does not have to be indicative of the Dave Chappelle special, what so ever. Right, you can absolutely false advertise here. It is just Gay. We want gay people to watch the Dave Chappelle special. Does that make sense?

Speaker 2 1:06:33

Yeah, okay, that's tough, because now become like a go-to red flag and dating profiles is that you watch the special so So I guess it's up to you to try and spin it right.

Speaker 4 1:06:43

This is what this is what pride month is all about. It's spinning merch. It's spinning merch towards the queer community.

Speaker 2 1:06:49

You're right. This is the spirit. Of the challenge is how to a corp? has a corporation completely just at it's All, or at its core.

Speaker 4 1:06:57

Being gay is about capitalism. I want to make that okay.

Speaker 2 1:07:01

I.

Speaker 4 1:07:04

Mean Omar, you started last time. You are absolutely able to start this time as well, if you want. No it seems pretty tired and I think we should take advantage of that, if you want to win this one right.

Speaker 2 1:07:16

Let's pounce on that so you are.

Speaker 4 1:07:17

You are getting the entire hell Sunday. Okay, are you ready?

Speaker 1 1:07:23

No, of course not. I haven't looked at, i didn't look any of this beforehand. So no, yeah, so.

Speaker 4 1:07:34

Okay, here's how it starts. Let's listen. Okay, that's right, i got, let's go.

Speaker 1 1:07:38

Um, it's just starts with. Dave has transitioned like three, three words. Boom, hey, okay, transition and it is. And Then it's just him Apologetic like sad. No, it's just, it's like this. It's just a shot of him like kind of Not sad. Sad's the wrong word, it's more like apologetic entirely Apologetic and like truly changed.

Speaker 4 1:08:27

Submissive? is he bound? is he get a?

Speaker 1 1:08:30

high-angle shot. No, no, it's just. It's like It's more just he's, it's like more of a portrait, you know, and like it's just him, like slowly Looking up and you and their sincerity in his eyes and He just says I'm sorry, a fucked up, his special okay, okay, so Tell me that one that wouldn't intrigue you, but you wouldn't click. At least watch ten minutes of that special, if you were. If you were, you know okay, questions and he rightfully offended by his stance on On trans people okay, so deep.

Speaker 4 1:09:16

Here's a legitimate, absolute question. I want you to answer me 100%, honestly. Okay, ready, yeah, have you met a gay person?

Speaker 1 1:09:28

Just finish your shitty rhetorical question.

Speaker 4 1:09:36

Really simple question you couldn't answer, so I guess we can kind of read into that one right Um Something I Gave people like being happy, right and you're talking a lot about like he looks sad. He looks like, oh so depressed. He looks so sad.

Speaker 1 1:09:51

No, I took out the sad cut.

Speaker 4 1:09:53

I.

Speaker 1 1:09:53

I used a different take.

Speaker 4 1:09:55

I'm more talking about Here. Okay, i'll give you an example. Okay, i'll give you an example and then I'll let you Redo it. Which? I know you are itching to do, because I know you are itching to do more improv. Great, great, i think, if it's like Slay in to this November's hottest comedy special. Talks everything take to whole. He bears his whole full frontal dick on stage and let me tell you, it is a girthy one. Queens. So death drop into this live performance where they can.

Speaker 1 1:10:31

His dick be sad.

Speaker 4 1:10:32

Oh, i wasn't taking notes, but that's cool. Oh My, what, what do you have for us, omar?

Speaker 2 1:10:45

anything I Think I have the answer. Okay, tell us tell us It's, it starts to play a commercial for Dave's next stand-up special, which I'm sure is chock full of incredible insight.

Speaker 2 1:11:02

And And then Megan Stalter pops up and goes hey everyone, netflix has added a new feature where I will be doing live commentary over Dave special and you get to hang out with Megan Stalter so that when you're at the gym and a 24 hour fitness or something and the straights are talking about how much they love it, you'll have all those zingy Stalter comebacks to be like, hmm, actually not.

Speaker 4 1:11:26

Wow, so you're gonna mst3k Dave Chappelle special with Megan Stalter 100%, with guest starring, the host of lost culture.

Speaker 3 1:11:33

I'd say I would watch that. What I absolutely you've actually got buy-in for me now.

Speaker 4 1:11:39

Which host of last culture waste us Both of them, okay.

Speaker 3 1:11:42

Yeah, okay.

Speaker 4 1:11:44

I love that, okay, okay, oh, my busy. Who is the human in this scenario and who is Tom servo and crow in this scenario for the mst3k? That's right, because I did watch mst3k, because I was that fucking kid, all right.

Speaker 2 1:12:00

I.

Speaker 4 1:12:02

That's a mystery science, three theater, 3000 to all their viewers. That don't know what it is, it's great.

Speaker 1 1:12:07

I think everyone here knows.

Speaker 4 1:12:13

Absolutely isn't it, felicia? Dave, like hosting it right.

Speaker 2 1:12:17

Let me just say this just because I think you'd want to be the robot, i want Matt to be the human. That's my vote. Okay, cool.

Speaker 4 1:12:24

Yeah, cool now here's a question for you, just you too. who would you be on the, on the Spaceship of love, or whatever enterprise of love? What's it called on mst3k, the spaceship?

Speaker 3 1:12:37

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 4 1:12:37

Can bot gypsy Tom, servo or crow I?

Speaker 1 1:12:42

Don't know them well enough. I'm sorry, i'm the guy that hasn't watched that much mst3k.

Speaker 2 1:12:48

Unfortunately, I think I'll be Tom servo.

Speaker 4 1:12:50

I think Sunday would be I.

Speaker 1 1:12:52

Think I'd be the shitty movie They're watching the bad, the worst one being roasted.

Speaker 4 1:13:04

If you couldn't tell, i've been nursing a blue moon the entire time. So if I've been a little crazy, it's because I will be honest.

Speaker 2 1:13:10

I am sure the audience could hear it.

Speaker 4 1:13:18

You're absolutely right. I was totally drinking into the Mike ASMR style.

Speaker 2 1:13:21

I love that.

Speaker 4 1:13:22

Okay.

Speaker 2 1:13:23

So you too.

Speaker 3 1:13:29

All what are we?

Speaker 4 1:13:30

what are we looking at? score wise right now.

Speaker 3 1:13:31

Before I announce score wise We're looking at one to three right now. So if this goes to some Dave, he's got to get a landslide victory off of this.

Speaker 4 1:13:39

Okay.

Speaker 1 1:13:39

So again I will say this I'm just gonna say this because I'm gonna pull from chat real quick. Oh, malora Says it right here, as it is nothing but a genuine, thorough apology will have me even watching a minute of Chappelle. So you may have all your clever ideas, you may have all your cute little gimmicks, but what's gonna get people to click and watch? I'm just you know, okay, if, if you're gonna stand by that. That capitalism, you know, is what matters here. According to your own rules, sean, that you laid out, it's what sells.

Speaker 4 1:14:14

I did.

Speaker 1 1:14:16

Yeah, just.

Speaker 4 1:14:18

Omar, any last little tidbits to add on before I.

Speaker 2 1:14:22

I would say is that, sean, you said the winner gets a negative one point, so I'm happy with son deep taking this one.

Speaker 4 1:14:30

But I think, i think I'm gonna say the winner of Overall overall. I'm gonna say the winner overall, okay, and then I do have one less thing to say Yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 2 1:14:40

Thank you so much for letting me be involved in this process.

Speaker 4 1:14:43

It's been an honor to be involved in the culture.

Speaker 2 1:14:47

Thank you for giving us so much, and And I continue to, i have a cousin who watches drag race, so I'm thank you.

Speaker 4 1:14:58

Thank God for your cousin. That's really beautiful to hear. I really love that. I really love that. I guess, without further ado, i should announce the victory. Yeah, this game and of this podcast, maybe in perpetuity.

Speaker 2 1:15:14

Right, yeah, i'd say deep deep, did go to war with the church.

Speaker 4 1:15:20

I have to say I've taken all of your arguments into account.

Speaker 2 1:15:24

Thank you.

Pride and Recognition

Speaker 4 1:15:25

And I think in terms of the comedy value right, i think the funniest one here and the one who deserves to win is me. Actually, i think I'm gonna win this one. I'm winning this one and it is Pride Month so I can, so I'm actually the host this time, and thank you so much for playing All right, I've detected all other points I've given to you, Sean.

Speaker 3 1:15:57

Thank you.

Speaker 4 1:15:58

Thank you very much.

Speaker 1 1:15:59

So take over this Dacey podcast, baby. Once again, we are colonized.

Speaker 3 1:16:05

Go ahead Sean.

Speaker 1 1:16:06

No.

Speaker 4 1:16:07

A people are so ready to take shit over.

Speaker 3 1:16:10

All right. Where do you think our slang?

Speaker 4 1:16:11

came from Came from the black community. All right, so that is our MO.

Speaker 2 1:16:18

Sean, thank you so much for joining us and for also editing the show and doing everything you have.

Speaker 4 1:16:23

Thank you Having me. honestly, this was an absolute blast. I had a great time.

Speaker 1 1:16:27

You slayed. You slayed indeed, Yeah bitch.

Speaker 4 1:16:30

Okay, thank you, love y'all. I'll probably be on when you guys play your game, or what have you? Sounds good, we'll be here.

Speaker 1 1:16:37

See you, buddy Bye.

Speaker 2 1:16:41

Damn My God getting judged by a gay judge. I feel like I'm back doing the talent show in elementary school. All right, everyone Time for our next segment. It's the other week.

Speaker 1 1:16:56

All right. this week, since our episode is all about making it gay, or we wanted to add not one, but two. not two but three proud LGBT QI plus bases of the week, and first up is O'near. He is one of the few openly gay film directors in Bollywood. O'near's 2005 directorial debut, my brother Nikhil, was the first mainstream Hindi film to focus on homosexuality and AIDS in India. It was released at a time when LGBTQ rights activists were fighting to overturn India's constitutional ban on same sex relationships.

Speaker 2 1:17:29

That's right. O'near won the national award for his film I am, which again focused on same sex relationships. India's defense ministry rejected the script of we are. A sequel to I am, his next film, inspired by the real life story of a gay major who had to quit the army because of a sexuality. Though he is disheartened, he will continue to celebrate queer love stories. So, o'near, thank you for being one of our daisies of the week.

Speaker 1 1:17:52

Nice Next. Next up is Janani Ramachandran. Janani is a 30 year old Indian American social justice lawyer, activist and artist who became the youngest and first LGBTQ woman of color to serve on Oakland City Council in California in 2023.

Speaker 2 1:18:09

Janani, who is also the South Asian Council member. In Oakland's history book what up Oakland took? the took the oath of office as the member of District four, wearing a sorry at the inaugural ceremony on. January 10. I love that.

Speaker 1 1:18:25

Rockin that, Sorry. And finally we got Lilly Singh. Yes is a Canadian YouTuber, television host, comedian, writer and actress. Singh began making YouTube videos in 2010. She originally appeared under the student named Superwoman, her YouTube years name until 2019.

Speaker 2 1:18:40

That's right. Lilly Singh, who came out as bisexual in 2019, gave an inspirational speech about her bisexuality on her talk show. A little late, with Lilly Singh Addressing the audience, she said and here's the quote there's a lot of homophobia in the Indian community. In fact, when I came out, people told me that I would lose all of my popularity, all of my fans, all of my business in India, but then I didn't turns out. In a place with 1.3 billion people, a lot of them don't give an F about who I give an F.

Speaker 1 1:19:07

That is absolutely perfect. So congrats to our three. This is of the week.

Speaker 4 1:19:12

And last but not least, of course, we have Sean Maher honorary. They see a gay guy cut it, cut the.

Speaker 3 1:19:21

Mark, right here for the editor in Miami.

Speaker 4 1:19:24

Florida and did musical theater and then became a film and media major and minor in Japanese language. Thank you so much to Sean Maher and all he gives to this podcast.

Speaker 1 1:19:37

Yeah, i don't know. I don't know what's more problematic All the stuff I said or Sean claiming to be? they see, i'm not sure.

Speaker 2 1:19:47

But he was a film major.

Speaker 1 1:19:50

I didn't. Oh, i didn't listen to the word. A lot of fun facts. Sure, sean is the honorary DC. The week will throw him in there And that is our show, as always. If you want to see our lovely faces and the VOD and all the other ways that you can hang out with us, those are in the show notes. Please rate and comment that. That helps. That helps us a lot. So please get in and take a moment right now. We'll wait Now, we won't. Ok, hopefully you'll do it. Please comment, give us those five stars or less, whatever, whatever you feel in your heart, suggestions, feedback that could be sent to ABCD podcast show at gmailcom or our discord.

Speaker 2 1:20:26

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Speaker 1 1:20:49

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Speaker 2 1:21:48

The show is produced by Daigle. And Now let's get proud. The show's technical director and sound designer is Devon Neville. The show's executive producers are Sandeep Harikin and Anshan. This is edited by Sean Mayer, who you just met. This music for the show, mayer. Mayer Mar oh Mar okay.

Speaker 1 1:22:04

Mar, it's written.

Speaker 4 1:22:06

It's written, so the G is silent yeah, like half the letters in the word are silent. All right, just say Mar.

Speaker 2 1:22:18

So let me get this straight your last name's like my first name.

Speaker 4 1:22:21

Yeah, it's like oh Mar. Actually it comes from the Irish Omar. So yeah, it is almost exactly like your name.

Speaker 3 1:22:29

The show is edited by Omar. The show is edited by Blue Moon with assistance by Sean Mar.

Speaker 2 1:22:39

In all seriousness. The show is edited by Sean Omar. The music is done by Marshall Sasodia yes, they're singing Marley Savari. This has been an effin' buddy production.

Speaker 1 1:22:49

On behalf of our co-host, omar Najam, i've been hosting the Perique. May Your Chuckers Be Aligned and Smothered in Chutney.