Episode 46 - Replacing Private Ryan & The Road to AMPS Nationals Unscripted

Episode 46 - Replacing Private Ryan & The Road to AMPS Nationals Unscripted

In this episode the Insanity decided to record a 100% unscripted show and invited 6 special guests to first try and win Justin Ryan's co-host seat on the show.  After the Win Justin Ryan's Seat segment is over the guys discuss listener questions on the fly and get into a great discussion.  Oh and there is also a nice Riv Rant thrown in to hopefully help the long drive to South Bend Indiana for those heading to the AMPS Nationals.  So sit back, have a few laughs, and enjoy the show.,...

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Transcript

SPEAKER_12 0:48

Alright guys, welcome to the Modeling Saturday Podcast. I'm your host, Rob Rev. I'm with my co-host, Mr. Frankie Donati. Hello. Mr. Rob Adams. Yo yo. Mr. Steve Santucci. Hello. All right. There's no Justin Ryan on tonight. This is a first. And because Justin isn't here, we're gonna have a few other people on. And this is so we can have a nice little discussion and have some fun on the drive for people who are on the way to Amps. We're doing this kind of impromptu. Is that the word, Frank? Impromptu? Impromptu, yes. Impromptu. This was like a spur-the-moment thing we didn't expect to record. And we said, you know what? It's 10 o'clock on a Saturday. We got a lot of guys. Let's just get on and record something fun and have a good time. And this is we're gonna call this the insanity unplugged because we're gonna try to keep this as unedited as possible, but there probably will be some editing because Rob Adams is already fucking in he's already off the deep end right now. So I'm expecting there to be some issues. He's looking at me with that face. No, you got your squinty little eyes, Rob. You got right. So what we're gonna do is because Justin is not here, and because we love Justin and we make it, you know, we gotta have fun. We're gonna do a little thing tonight, right now, while we're all together. And it's gonna be what did we say it was gonna be called again, Frank? It was gonna be called Replacing Private Ryan, replacing Private Ryan, and to figure out how we're gonna replace Private Ryan, which is Justin in this case. We got a few guests with us tonight, and there is a few people here. This is a big round table. So, first we got Mr. Adam Jackson with us tonight, Mr. Adam Jackson. Hello, everyone, Mr. Jackson. We got freaking Frankie Blanton with us.

SPEAKER_04 2:39

Good evening to all the modelers traveling to Amps and all the ships at sea.

SPEAKER_12 2:44

We got Frankie Perone. Hey, everybody. We got Russ Clark. Hey everybody, and we have our friend from far down under my insanity brother from a furry mother, as my upfront Steve Andrianos as Mr. Andrew Misi. Hey, how's it going? You got one more Logan. Oh Logan right. I forgot about we forget about the we forget about the the guy with the red hair. No, he's the DEI hire because he's the redhead. Yeah, he's the redhead. And our good friend. I'm only kidding. I didn't wasn't forgetting Logan. I was playing a joke on him. Mr. Logan Handsome. How are you doing, Logan?

SPEAKER_03 3:22

Not too bad. Howdy guys.

SPEAKER_12 3:24

All right. So we got a lot of guys on. That's a lot. How many people is that? There's the four of us, Sans Justin, and then we got what another six guys on tonight or five is it?

SPEAKER_14 3:33

Six. So it took six guys to replace one Justin. Right.

SPEAKER_12 3:37

I take six guys to replace one Justin. So we're gonna have a lot of fun tonight. All right. So again, the reason why we're doing this is we figured let's give some content for the drive to Amps. I'm sure I'm hoping to have, and I will have this out by I think Wednesday, when people, most people, some people are gonna be driving up, and also Thursday today to nationals. So we're gonna have fun today. We're gonna talk the hobby, but we're also gonna be auditioning some people for Justin's seat. Now Justin's a really tough guy to replace, man. He's a he's a key guy, he's been here since the beginning. And it's gonna be right. He's a great guy. We love Justin, but um, you know, I think it's time that we see if he can be well, maybe he won't be. Maybe after we're done here, we'll realize that maybe Justin is the best guy for the job, but who knows? Maybe you know, one of you guys might be able to take his place. Yeah, Frankie's shaking his hand. Yeah, let's just go to each guy first a little bit. Frankie Blanton has not been on the show since episode four. He's the reason why we do cold openings, because the last time Frank was on, he got heavily intoxicated and he forgot what he was talking about. So the cold opening was Frankie Blanton talking and forgetting what he was saying, right? Adam Jackson's been on a couple of times, right?

SPEAKER_17 4:47

Adam's Christmas guy, he's our Christmas guy.

SPEAKER_12 4:49

Yeah, he's our Christmas guy. Because you know, we got we got to be inclusive here. So we know we we celebrate Hanukkah too, so we get Adam on for that. But Adam's been on a couple of times. Frankie Perron's uh kind of part of the show now, he's always on. We never had Logan on, and we never had Russ on, but they've been on the pot on the live cast, right, Russ?

SPEAKER_05 5:08

Yep, yep. Never been on the show. Yep, yep.

SPEAKER_12 5:11

Um, Andrew Misi's been on our show a few times. He was actually our first guest, episode two. He was our first guest on episode two, which was a lot of fun. Nice low benchmark.

SPEAKER_02 5:23

That's uh the golden boy. Andrew the golden boy.

SPEAKER_12 5:27

Podcasting right now is a lot of fun. There's a lot of good things. If anybody heard I was on the Model Geeks podcast, you know, Frankie Blanton messaged me. He thought it was a really good, you know, really fun. Listen, I I I brought that podcast to a respectable level. That show, right? Frankie Blanton, sure. You're taking the show, the geeks, they're talking planes. I get on, it's actually, you know, I got a lot of messages. It's like, oh, are you gonna be on a geeks permanently now? I'm like, I don't think they want me permanently, but you know, maybe I can disband the insanity and and find a place over there on the geeks and only have to replace the show every six times. What's that?

SPEAKER_17 6:00

You're gonna replace Whitey?

SPEAKER_12 6:02

No, I'll replace uh Samo. Yeah, I'm gonna replace Samo. Samo's been slacking lately. He doesn't have any mojo. Him and him and you see Dave Knight over there on the on the plastic model mojo. Even Dave doesn't have any mojo. Um, we're gonna see them. I think they're gonna be an amps, they'll probably be there. I asked to sit down with them, but they never want to talk to me either. I guess I got a running thing where there's a couple of podcasts that want nothing to do with me, but that's okay. I'm okay with that. You know, I like to be like the bastard child of the podcast world. You are a bastard, you know. But I was on the but I do gotta say this, and I want to say this though. I was on the beyond the box art. Um, and that that episode is gonna release at the end of April. And I'm gonna tell you right now, I had a really fun time with those guys, Brownie and those guys, Dan Brazil and those guys. Uh, Spencer Pollard was on the show when I was there. Man, well, it was a lot of fun. And uh look out for that show. I think it's like episode 26, it's gonna be or something, but it's gonna come out like April 23rd or something. So definitely listen to for that one because that was really good, a lot of fun. I'm thankful for those guys uh to have me on, and we're definitely gonna do a little show with them, too. Well, me and Brian got to work out the details, you know.

SPEAKER_17 7:06

Because they did make a point in their post to say that you talked a lot and kind of took over.

SPEAKER_12 7:10

I did, I did, and and uh well, you know, listen, man. I mean, it comes down to this, though. You know, you get guests on a show, they're not used to being behind a microphone, so they're not used to talking all the time. You get me behind a microphone. I mean, this is my happy place. I love being behind this thing, you know. You don't shut up, no, we know we know. But that's I mean, if you shut up, then there's no show. Isn't the whole idea to keep fucking talking, Frank? This is five hosts. Well, well, co-hosts, we're shared host, Frank. But one person we tried to do a little fucking pass. So I tried to give Toots the lead, and Toots didn't know where he was half the time. You, Frank, you might be able to do it, Frank.

SPEAKER_14 7:46

Gives me the lead, and then he takes oh, he starts answering the very questions he's asking me. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 7:54

What's your favorite build? I think your favorite build is the one you did.

SPEAKER_13 8:00

Fuck you. Your best build was yeah, we want to answer this question as long as you answer it exactly the way we want you to.

SPEAKER_08 8:09

Hold on, let me text you the answer.

SPEAKER_13 8:11

Look, he's texting you the answer right now.

SPEAKER_06 8:14

There's no wrong answer.

SPEAKER_02 8:15

It's love what you build and build what I love.

SPEAKER_12 8:18

But I do want to say this it was full full show season, so I just gotta do something here. I know you guys were at shows. Was anybody at shows around here? Like, we mean two trap mosquito con, Frankie was at HeritageCon, Frankie Blanton was at a couple shows. So let's just before we get on to the fun. I just gotta do some stuff. We got to talk about some stuff, and again, we'll try to keep this as unedited as possible. So if we're rambling on or gets really fucking annoying, just fast forward because this is unscripted. We're always unscripted, though. You go on some of these podcasts, they got like a like the geeks give you like a whole like breakdown of like what's gonna happen for the whole show. I'm like, dude, I can't be this organized.

SPEAKER_09 8:54

No, I can't.

SPEAKER_12 8:55

I I can't. I I I know we're gonna talk about, I don't know when we're gonna talk about it, and sometimes we don't get to it, and that's the fun part. But we were at MosquitoCon, what a great show. I did a show report for it on the YouTube channel, it did pretty good. It's got over a thousand views now in like a less than a week. People kind of liked it and stuff, which was pretty good. And there was some really nice work at that show, right? Tooch tooch did really good at that show, too, man. I hate giving tooch props, man. I'm not one to pat people on the back too hard, especially Santucci, because he's an arrogant bastard sometimes. So I gotta kind of bring him down a couple of years. No, I'm only kidding. Tooch, you did a good job, man. You did Tooch did good, man. Would you won a couple first, right? Second?

SPEAKER_14 9:33

Won a first in figures, uh one thirty, you know, 54 millimeter and smaller. And I won a second in submarines with a walnut, basically the size of walnut, the turtle, uh, the rebel war. And then I won um a second for uh the motorcycle, the uh Copper State, the uh the US motorcycle in 35th scale. What the hell beat you out? Because that thing was awesome. No, I'm sorry. The mo the motorcycle was first, everything else was second. I'm sorry. There you go. Thank you. I will yes, you're welcome. The motorcycle was in soft skins. The head armor judge agreed, yeah, it makes sense to put it there instead of somewhere else and wield. So we put it in soft skins, and I will not say who I beat out, but it's someone famous. And they weren't happy. So high fives, high five. It's one of the cause, it's one of the cause. And then I won a best award for my um 75mm uh Rev War Soldier set at the scene of Jockey Hollow. It was uh the winter encampment here in Jersey, so it won best New Jersey theme. Nice. Congratulations, Tooch.

SPEAKER_08 10:36

Is it hot in here, Tooch?

SPEAKER_14 10:37

Is it hot? Look at look at that. Frankie, Frankie, Frankie, Frankie. Are those those gold gold pieces heavy for you? Oh, I forgot I had them. Oh, these little things? Oh, these little things. Frankie, what did you win those golds in?

SPEAKER_08 10:57

Oh, I won uh HeritageCon. I won a gold. I won it, so I'm gonna be honest. My favorite gold because it was my Vomag build that won gold for Ordnance.

SPEAKER_16 11:09

BG's kid. BG's gonna be.

SPEAKER_08 11:16

Sean wanted to look at it. Sean looked at it, he looked at me, he gave me a hug, and he goes, Frankie, BJ would be proud. There's my gold right there, man. I brought it in, and uh one gold Dan Chalk was there. Remember, he and I did a buddy build with this thing, so he was really pleased with it. His stew was fantastic. And then uh the little magic factory 70 second scale uh puma, the one Riv did for the article. I mine uh went in and got a gold in in uh 70 second scale non screen. It's not a Puma. It's a Puma. The size of my Kuma.

SPEAKER_17 11:49

It's not a Puma. It's definitely a Puma.

SPEAKER_08 11:52

Yeah, Heritage Cron was fantastic, it was a good show. And and I was proud to see what you did there, too. So that was beautiful.

SPEAKER_17 11:57

I was upset that I missed it this year.

SPEAKER_12 12:00

I was show season was great. Mosquito come, like I said, there's a couple of shout-outs I gotta give Craig Gottfried, he's a big listener to the show. He's got a YouTube channel called Mutt Modeler on YouTube. What a great guy! He loved the horror, the the insanity after dark stuff we talked about a lot too, which was a lot of fun. Um, Joe Domansky was there, man. He's that guy's always always good to see. And Joe Calderone, who we met at triple A um, Tooch, was there. Uh, I tried to get you to say, did I was trying to look for you, Tooch, but I couldn't find you. Um, you were kind of running around, and uh I was getting the hell out of there because I got there by noon. Um, but uh there's a bunch of people at the show and it was a lot of fun. And Replicon, our local show, was a lot of fun, um, which was good. Oh, good show in this year, and it was a lot of fun. Russ, any shows by you? Do you have any shows recently?

SPEAKER_05 12:47

No, none that I've been to, no.

SPEAKER_12 12:50

Frank, okay, Frankie Perot, no shows.

SPEAKER_05 12:52

No, nothing.

SPEAKER_12 12:54

We talked about Atlanta. Adam, you were at Comm Fest, right? Commiefest, yeah. I was at Commest. How was CommFest?

SPEAKER_13 13:00

That was a ton of fun. Uh, I got to meet Robert Conger. I haven't met him before. He uh might have purchased half whatever his stash is at home, he might have purchased half of that there. Or it seemed or it seemed that way because he had a whole bunch of 48 scale bombers. So that was that was rather large. And uh let's see. The the best for me on on a model level, the best part was um, I didn't you know place, but um was I was talking to Steve Monzel, and I looked over at the table where my my models were, and I got all excited.

SPEAKER_12 13:42

Full disclosure, there was a quick edit. I said to freaking Adam, you're talking through your webcam. Now he's talking through his headset. So continue.

SPEAKER_13 13:49

So now my uh yes, I got Frankie all excited. That's that's my whole night is made right there. Um so I looked, I was looking over at the table. I was looking over at the table where my where my models were, and I was talking to Steve Steve Munzel, and I got all excited, just like Frankie did just a moment ago. And and Steve's like, What what what's the matter? What's going on? And I said, Do you see that guy over there? He's like, Which guy? And I pointed him out. This is like, I don't know, 30 feet away. And it was this guy with this gigantic camera, and he was like leaning over taking pictures of my models. And I was like, that's so now. Granted, he was probably there with MMI or some other magazine doing a uh, you know, a whole issue on what not to do, but nonetheless, somebody was taking pictures of my models, so I was happy about that. I find it hard to believe that you didn't place anything.

SPEAKER_17 14:43

I do.

SPEAKER_13 14:43

Well, uh you didn't place two, really. I didn't, I didn't, I mean I didn't models did you enter? I entered two. It was all in the it was all 35th scale post-korea tracked vehicles, you know. That's a pretty heavy category, too. Like that's it was yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_17 14:59

Well, it was another category would have been jets, right? So that's a really good thing.

SPEAKER_13 15:04

It was it was uh I brought in my well, I'm brought in the two I'm bringing to amps, uh the Abrams and the uh Merkava.

SPEAKER_12 15:12

Now is your first, second, and third there, or gold silver bronze like traditional?

SPEAKER_13 15:16

It's first, second third.

SPEAKER_12 15:17

All right, well, it's listen, man. It's any given show, man. You know, you don't know what's there.

SPEAKER_13 15:22

I had I had fun. I was happy to do that.

SPEAKER_12 15:24

That's all that matters. You have fun. I mean, listen, I'm happy. You're happy to see people, I guess. That's why I'm kind of dreading. Like I made a last minute decision to go to amps. I wasn't gonna be there, and now I'm gonna be there with some kind of drutting going to Brad Belsarm's house. I guess a fucking serial killer.

SPEAKER_13 15:40

I'm afraid that my I, for one, will be happy to see you. Blanton's I am blanton, a lot of me. I really agree.

SPEAKER_12 15:50

You get to see chunky riv. My belly's getting so big, my poor wife is like, I gotta get you. It's like your jeans have I you gotta get a new pair of jeans. I'm like, what's wrong with my jeans? He's like, Rob, you got a hole in the ass. I'm like, they're the only jeans that fit. She goes, That's why I'm going to buy you another pair of jeans today. So I gotta because you know, I get to the point where I get chunky and I'm like, I'm gonna lose weight. I don't want to spend where's she going, like kid zone? You got a pair of jeans with those. Thanks for that. You're real dick, you know. That I didn't change the thing about you tonight now, it's already on. That's really starting.

SPEAKER_03 16:20

That's us, gosh bagash, man. Don't let it fool you.

SPEAKER_12 16:23

Oh, yeah, okay. Okay, Frankie, did you Frankie Frankie um Blanton was at uh Old Dominion, right?

SPEAKER_04 16:29

Yes, earlier in the month, I was at Amps Atlanta with Frank Perone. We had a wonderful time. It was my first time at Amps Atlanta, and I will say the armor side of the show was a little bit smaller than what I expected. The figure side was small, but the quality of everything was very good. In fact, the Amps Atlanta show has a hospitality room.

SPEAKER_12 16:56

I heard about that, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 16:57

It's unlike anything I've ever seen. We went into the hospitality room at 8 p.m. on Friday night. I left at 2 a.m. Saturday morning. Uh it was it was amazing, but the show was very good. Um did you do what you're I did, and Mike Sacklin didn't have to drag me home.

SPEAKER_09 17:19

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_04 17:19

That was good. So a weekend later was the uh Old Dominion Open in Richmond, Virginia. They had 1,135 models entered for competition. There were over 150 models for display only. There were three separate Gundam Mecca clubs. I don't know if Gundam and Mecca and what's the Gunpla, all that I think they were all the same, but I know there's a large contingent from uh the local college here, which is Virginia Commonwealth University. They have their own Gundam Club, plus there's two other Gundam clubs here. They were well represented and they were motivated, and they all took a picture with um our friend from the Build It Sideways podcast, Brian. They did a picture. There must have been like 30 people in that group, and that was really nice to see. It was a great show, it was a one-day show, and I will say, without giving too much away, IPMS Richmond, they may be working on some things to do some things differently. Uh, there's a whole lot in the cards right now. I can't say, but uh could be very interesting. But it was a fantastic one-day show. It was IPMS judging one, two, three, excellent vendors. Uh, Gene Bagnoli was there bitching at everybody. Uh, but it was a great show.

SPEAKER_12 18:42

He didn't make it to the last two shows up here Replicon or Mosquito Con. He's slowing down. He's in Virginia too, though, isn't he?

SPEAKER_04 18:50

Yeah, he lives in Virginia now, too. He's got a place in Virginia. He's got a place over in Mechanicsville, not far from where the old Dominion Open happens. But uh, it was a great show, and uh, it's a fantastic one-day show. It's one of the first shows at the beginning of the contest season, so it's definitely well worth attending.

SPEAKER_12 19:08

Yeah, no, that was I there was no way Frank should come in. I'm like, no, dude, not driving a fucking Richmond for a one-day show from New York from Long Island, it's like 10 hours. I love you, Frank, but I don't love you that much to drive 10 hours to come see you. Sorry, buddy.

SPEAKER_06 19:24

That's uh that's all good.

SPEAKER_12 19:25

Yeah, Logan, you had any shows by you or no? Uh I went to two this year. Went to uh no, not too, not this year recently. I don't care what you did. Two to what do we're only four months into the year? Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_03 19:38

Within the last like two months, Riv. Fucking calm down.

SPEAKER_12 19:41

Oh, you went to that one, you went to that one, you went to that one in Minnesota. What was it? Uh the one with uh Hefe, right? You went with Hefe?

SPEAKER_03 19:47

Yeah, that one's that one's in Madison, and then the uh I went to the Hope It Don't Snow show, and I think that was in February.

SPEAKER_12 19:53

That's the show I like to always announce. The Hope It Don't Show.

SPEAKER_17 19:56

Apparently, there's two Hope It Don't Snow.

SPEAKER_12 19:58

Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_17 19:59

Yeah, right. I don't know where the other one is.

SPEAKER_12 20:02

How was that show? How was that? Hope it's oh whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I gotta say this, man. Well was it the Madison show you got fucking shunt out? That you got the nothing.

SPEAKER_03 20:12

Yeah, I didn't take anything home at that one.

SPEAKER_12 20:14

That's crazy, man. That one called those that one call you did was awesome. Like, what did someone have there?

SPEAKER_03 20:19

That's gonna be better than that. There was there was a lot of really nice stuff at that show, especially in the race car class. That's there were probably there was probably close to 60 cars in in the race car class alone at Madison. There was a lot and a lot of really a lot of really nice stuff.

SPEAKER_17 20:34

How many cars are in the smashed up derby shit that you do?

SPEAKER_03 20:37

Uh well, that's it's in the race car category. It's competition vehicle, closed wheel competition vehicle. Another derby car did win it, but it wasn't mine, and I didn't judge that class either, so don't know.

SPEAKER_17 20:49

So you'd see F1 cars, all that shit in there?

SPEAKER_03 20:52

No, because F1 are open wheel, they'd be in their own category.

SPEAKER_02 20:56

I don't know the car categories, so they don't break it down even further than that, they just lump them all in.

SPEAKER_03 21:02

Uh there's there's closed wheel competition, they're open wheel competition, there's drag racing, and I think that's more or less it for motorsports, besides uh you know, motorcycles are their own category, so street bikes will be with race bikes, stuff like that. But uh, I took uh at the Hope It Don't Snow show. I I brought home best and show automotive with that station wagon. I was pretty stoked about that.

SPEAKER_17 21:22

Nice, nice high fives, high fives.

SPEAKER_03 21:27

Nice job. There's a lot of nice, a lot of nice stuff at that show, too. Anytime you get to go see Scott Primo's work and Steve Hustad's stuff, it's pretty nice to see in person.

SPEAKER_12 21:35

Oh, it does good stuff. Scott makes it uh he makes it to he Scott makes it to um like an Amps Nationals. I know he was there in South Bend last time and he won Best Figure. He does great stuff. He's a he's a great figure painter, that's for sure.

SPEAKER_03 21:49

Yeah, the the pictures the pictures pictures don't do it justice.

SPEAKER_04 21:53

I love the fact Logan pronounced his name right. I never knew how to pronounce that guy's last name. Good on you, Logan. Thank you. It's fruit.

SPEAKER_03 22:03

Glad to be of assistance.

SPEAKER_12 22:05

All right. Well, I gotta say this while we're just we're not again. This is unscripted tonight because we're we're coming together doing the show and we weren't really prepared for it. We're just coming on, having a good time. And that's the that's I think there needs to be more of this stuff where it's like, you know, off the cuff, and who knows what's gonna happen. Frankie Blanton might pass out. Maybe he he might need an ambulance at some point tonight, I'm sure. Um, so but I do want to say this while we're talking about shows, and I have to say this, and this might make a good little discussion prior to our little uh dating game interviews about you know replacing Justin Ryan here.

SPEAKER_13 22:38

Dating game.

SPEAKER_12 22:40

I gotta put the music and I gotta I know I gotta find the music and put it in.

SPEAKER_17 22:43

Yeah, you do.

SPEAKER_12 22:45

But uh, I will. I'm gonna try to find it. It might be there, it might not. If I do, if I did find it, it's gonna play right now.

SPEAKER_03 23:02

It sounds more like Wheel of Misfortune, Riv.

SPEAKER_12 23:05

That's true. All right, I gotta say this though, and we'll get your take on this. So our last show I had talked about the Can Am or the Can Am Con show for Ron Hogue and the guys up in Vermont. And uh that show was uh supposed to be, I guess, in uh April something. I can't remember the date. And uh all of a sudden Ron makes a post on April 1st about how the show is can't they have to the there's an they double book the venue and they just gotta call it the fucking place double books the venue and they gotta reschedule their can and their can and con show. And I remember I posted, I'm like, dude, this is got everybody's like this has got to be an April Fool's joke. This has got to be an April Fool's joke. I'm like, Ron, are you fucking serious? Is this an April Fool's joke? Because I just fucking announced it on the show and said it on the Model Geek show. He's like, No, dude, I'm serious. It's fucking they really overbooked it.

SPEAKER_14 24:01

Was it was it overbooked, or was it in an armory and they had to use the armory?

SPEAKER_12 24:06

Whatever the case may be, is the day right. It was whatever the case may be, is the day that that they booked him for, there's like another thing going on that day.

SPEAKER_14 24:16

Oh, yeah, military exercises because you know, we're at that thing right now, you know.

SPEAKER_12 24:20

Whatever the case may be is there was they fucking took their money and they fucking you know, you take someone's money, yeah, you're good that day. It's like saying, Oh, you know, we're gonna have a wedding at the armory, and they're gonna go shit.

SPEAKER_14 24:31

You know, we know you're not an armory is the national guard armory, right? Frank, Frank, please.

SPEAKER_04 24:36

I understand what it is, but they're still taking you money. Steve, you're absolutely right. We're at the thing right now where we're geographically changing the topography of our end. Yes.

SPEAKER_12 24:47

Well, um, okay, so right. So I'm looking at this thing. Well, hold on a minute. This is fucking I'm trying to find a new date for this. Um, for this, oh, he does have it now. It's May 9th.

SPEAKER_09 24:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_12 24:59

Saturday, May 9th, now at the same venue where it was. I guess it's at um, I don't know. Um, it's at the same venue it's supposed to be. I don't have it in front of me. Shit, I'm I'm not prepared right now. But uh, I'm looking at the presenters there, man. They got Jody Doyle doing a seminar, they got Dave McKinney doing a seminar, and Mac Johnson doing a seminar. What judges look for at automotive categories? Mac Johnson. Mac, who wants to listen to you talk about fucking who's how to judge a car model for Christ's sake? What kind of seminar is that? Learning how to judge a car model, putting people to sleep. Dave McKinney teaching figure techniques. My god, we gotta get better people there. Give me a call. I'll I'll come on. Maybe I can we can do some good seminars at the Can Am show. Ron Hogue. I'm only kidding. These are good guys. Well, Jody Dore is on the Model Car Mania podcast, so we gotta give him props. But Mac and uh and Dave McKinney, I don't know, man. They gotta they're scraping the bottom of the barrel for those seminars, don't you think, Frank Blanton? Or you want to stay like neutral right now and not cause trouble?

SPEAKER_04 26:09

No, listen, I'm I'm all good. I did the Amps Field Judge training a couple of weeks ago online, and I'm I'm ready to. I was gonna jump in and do a seminar at Ants, but I'm looking at all the different seminars they have offered, and I'm signing up.

SPEAKER_12 26:23

No, I'm only kidding. Dave's a great guy, and so is Mac. I'm looking forward to seeing Mac at the Nationals. We're gonna have fun. All right, here we're gonna do. Do we do we do an ad spot? Are we doing ad spots for the show? Good ad spot. Good ad spot. All right, we're gonna do a quick ad spot for squadron.com.

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SPEAKER_12 27:45

All right, we're back, and we'll do that's the edits. The edits are gonna be for the you know the ad spots. That's what we're gonna edit in in the music and maybe some sound bites. But other than that, we're gonna just go a little uh, you know, off the cuff here. So here we go. We're gonna try to do uh to what is it again, Frankie? What is it? Um replacing private Ryan?

SPEAKER_08 28:02

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Replacing Private Ryan.

SPEAKER_12 28:06

All right, so you know what? We're gonna we're gonna go, we're gonna go to Adam Jackson first. So, Adam, talk to me here. What can what do you what can you bring to the insanity if you were to take Justin Ryan's spot? Now, Justin, you know, listen, he's a he's a founding member of the Insanity. Justin was the last guest on the modeling miscreant show that never aired because of we had our little thing going on and shit went south, and that show was never released. So Justin never got an opportunity to hear him on that show. So I kind of felt bad. I was like, ah, this poor guy was a guest. That is like, you know what? Let me just bring him on the insanity. I thought it was gonna be maybe a one or two show thing, but he was sort of like he just stuck around. So now we're gonna see if you're you know capable of filling the shoes of our Justin Ryan. Let the audience know more about yourself, Adam, and what qualities you can bring to the Justin Ryan seat if we were gonna replace him.

SPEAKER_13 28:59

So, what qualities can I bring to this podcast? I I am I am the one most likely, I can guarantee that I am the one that will most likely laugh at all of your jokes.

SPEAKER_12 29:11

That's that that is a plus right there.

SPEAKER_13 29:14

Right there, it's perfect. Feed that ego, man. I need more yes. Am I a lemming? Yes, I'm a lemming.

SPEAKER_12 29:23

Yeah, I need more yes guys now. I well, we we we're losing a couple of them here. So, yes, Adam.

SPEAKER_03 29:27

Adam, if his head gets any bigger, his headset's not gonna fit anymore. You gotta be careful.

SPEAKER_13 29:31

Well, I was trying, I I agree. I was trying to use the royal you. I mean, look at Frankie Frankie. Am I the one most likely to laugh at your jokes? Yes. Oh, all the time.

SPEAKER_07 29:40

Plus, you are a moral compass.

SPEAKER_13 29:42

Yeah, okay. So, yes, I will laugh at anyone who comes on.

SPEAKER_07 29:47

I will I will laugh at the moral ass moral compass.

SPEAKER_08 29:53

Many a time I have strayed from the path of righteousness, but yea, and behold, Adam Jackson was there to shepherd me back into the full righteousness of goodness and parole.

SPEAKER_13 30:05

And parole. That that makes it sound like I'm everyone's like put you know, parole officer or something like that. Um let's see. I I know I can I I will guarantee that I will laugh at anyone's jokes, most likely. Okay, I can bring uh compared to Justin, far worse uh uh car modeling skills, um far worse armor modeling skills. Far worse no, no, no? Okay, far worse airplane modeling skills. I think we could say that. I think that's likely the case. No? Okay, we'll get back to cars. Definitely far worse car skills. Okay, I think that's obvious. Let's see. Self-deprecating humor. I am a big fan of self-deprecating humor. I don't take there are very few things that I take seriously, and hopefully not many things I take too seriously.

SPEAKER_12 30:59

There you go. What makes a what makes a build unique? Is it the what makes a model project unique? The build or the paint job?

SPEAKER_13 31:06

There is no way in hell I am touching that. I you know me. If you want to know what else I can bring, I'm highly ecumenical. I like having friends, I like keeping friends.

SPEAKER_12 31:18

I'm only kidding, I'd have to put you on the spot. Hold on, hold on.

SPEAKER_17 31:21

What happens? Like, because now I just want to hire Adam.

SPEAKER_12 31:25

You want Adam on?

SPEAKER_17 31:26

You want to the rest of the rest of the show is fucked now.

SPEAKER_02 31:29

Wait, wait, no. Here's the make or break question. Adam, do you like mission model paints? Right.

SPEAKER_13 31:35

Do you like mission models paints? Yes or no? I I can I can say I do not like mission model.

SPEAKER_12 31:41

Yay, and that's gonna be a downfall for Frankie Blant, and that's gonna be hindering his chances.

SPEAKER_13 31:46

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_12 31:47

I think Messi likes that one's on the that one's on the questionnaire, man.

SPEAKER_13 31:51

I'm very ecumenical about paints, but I will say for my own purposes, I'm not a fan.

SPEAKER_03 31:56

All right, questionnaire. Wait, there was a way to prepare for this.

SPEAKER_17 32:00

Well, yeah, you didn't get it. Sorry, no, yes.

SPEAKER_08 32:06

Well, remember, this is Adam. That's preparation A. When we get to you, it's preparation H, brother. Oh, perfect.

SPEAKER_12 32:13

All right, Adam, listen, we're gonna come back to you. Listen, I I like your answers. Toots, did you like his answers or no?

SPEAKER_14 32:19

Uh, they were very ingratiating.

SPEAKER_12 32:22

Toots, do you have any questions for Adam? Do you want to add anything to this right now? Do you have any questions?

SPEAKER_14 32:27

Yeah, I do. Adam. Adam.

SPEAKER_13 32:29

Can you tell dirty jokes? Not well. I'm sorry. I'm gonna have to be honest about that one. Not well. It's not it is it is not uh a skill that I've if I hang around with Frank Donati, I'm sure I could pick up on some things. Oh my god. Um, but it's gonna take it's gonna take some time. That's that's not a uh highly honed skill of mine.

SPEAKER_12 32:48

Listen, we did hear Adam one night drop an F-bomb in the room, which was very, very that was rare, but it was really interesting. I it was an interesting moment in our insanity build room.

SPEAKER_13 33:00

Yeah, my oldest son, when he listened to the last podcast that I was on.

SPEAKER_12 33:06

Oh, you dropped an F bomb on there, didn't you? What you think so?

SPEAKER_13 33:09

But as he's as he was listening to it, he started laughing. I said, What's so funny? Because it wasn't of all the funny spots, it wasn't that funny. He said, Because right now, listening to you is like listening to me with my friends, you're the straight guy. Everyone else is like is like going wild, and you're just like straight as an arrow. So, yes, that's me.

SPEAKER_12 33:30

All right, listen, we're gonna come back to you. And this is fun, you know. We people are gonna get to know you. Frankie Perone is another guy who's been on the show a lot. Everybody knows Frankie Perone. Um, great modeler. You got a you know, this you got a decent personality, Frank. You know, you're you're pretty engaging sometimes when you want to be, but you're from Long Island, so you got that going for you. Um, you're also Italian, which is another plus. So you already got two pluses for you right now. You're Italian, you're you're from Long Island originally, and uh, you know, you've been built, you've been kind of creeping into my domain when it comes to the building, which I'm not really a big fan of.

SPEAKER_17 34:06

You should be, because he's doing a job. Well, he's gonna surpass you, man. First of all, he's already surpassed me. What are you talking about? Man, you're done. You're irrelevant.

SPEAKER_12 34:16

Frankie Perona's thing is what he's building. He's food. I I can't do what this guy's doing. This guy's crazy. What's that?

SPEAKER_02 34:25

But um well, you know, Rev, the first thing I can bring is I can always keep you uh building above your level when I put right naked models next to your stuff, and we could discuss.

SPEAKER_12 34:40

Frank, I'm gonna you are you bringing any naked models to this Amps Nationals?

SPEAKER_05 34:43

I am.

SPEAKER_12 34:44

What do you are?

SPEAKER_05 34:46

I think there might be two of us.

SPEAKER_12 34:48

Oh, you're bringing one to your best. Well, listen, the only naked model I'm bringing is that gecko model, and it's not blinged out really, it's whatever was in the box. So nothing's crazy with me this year, but um so I just brought it up, man, but you know, but I think you should you should definitely stick to the commonwealth and the US stuff, and don't do German or like you know, Soviet or anything, just stick to the you know, go with the Frankie Planton's realm with the with the the the Commonwealth stuff. Well, Frankie's been doing German too. That's another problem I got with him. But that's a whole nother story. He does a little bit of everything. Frankie, I think you could, I think you could take Justin's seat. I think you would be prepared. I don't know if you you're not a funny guy though, really. You're not really that funny either, though.

SPEAKER_02 35:29

How do you feel about how do you feel about pretty big shoes to fill though? That would be um that'd be be a tough thing to do, but you know, I could bring a lot of levelness to the whole show, keep you can pull the reins back on you, let tooch take over a little bit, you know, kind of run blocker for toots.

SPEAKER_12 35:49

Yeah, toots is you know, the chances of toots being in a good mood when a show starts is very, very rare.

SPEAKER_17 35:55

That's not in a pretty good mood right now, actually.

SPEAKER_12 35:58

He seems to be in a good mood. Yeah, he's drinking scotch or something right now. That's why he's happy.

SPEAKER_17 36:03

He's just got some beer going on the Frankie Blanton.

SPEAKER_12 36:05

Before he's known, he's gonna be talking about Ant. What was the what was the chick's name? Hurricane who uh hurricane gussy.

SPEAKER_04 36:13

You want me to tell you why I'd be better than Justin? First of all, Justin, love you long time, baby. Um, so we got tonight. We have three Franks on here. That could be one, a band name, two, a wiener restaurant, three, an ITA beer. You guys I love uh I was also in the early days of this podcast, if you'll recall, Riv.

SPEAKER_12 36:42

I do, I recall very well. I remember well, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 36:45

And I bring to this podcast better booze, mission models paints, and Adam acrylic paints. I breathe heavy and I don't wear pants.

SPEAKER_02 36:58

And you really want to think he's not bringing his pants to the show, right?

SPEAKER_17 37:02

Right. He he really enjoys bathtubs as well.

SPEAKER_13 37:06

I do that this is the ingratiating part. Uh Tooch was correct. But there is an advantage if you take all the Franks, which I mean, how many Franks would it take to replace one Justin? Like multiple. Because if you do ref if you do replace Justin with just Franks, then you have the perfect acronym because you got three F's, two R's, and a T.

SPEAKER_07 37:30

Damn it. You're not wrong, you're not wrong.

SPEAKER_13 37:33

I mean, it plays in, it plays in. It's a little smelly, which also plays in, which also plays into colon jokes and whatnot.

SPEAKER_04 37:42

So exactly, exactly. And unlike Justin, I don't use$20 words, and I speak in scale.

SPEAKER_06 37:51

I also tell dirty jokes.

SPEAKER_04 37:59

Definitely, I can tell you where the best happy hour is, and I will tell you for Amps 2026, the best happy hour is gonna be at the Airbnb headed up by Scott Watico in South Bend. Uh, you bitches better get over there and get some of my cocktails. Secondly, yeah, secondly, me and Tooch and Sean Picard do reenacting. That's more than Justin. Uh, I also have sprained an ankle to entertain modelers at Amps 2025, if you'll recall. I left at that.

SPEAKER_14 38:37

Wait, that wasn't that wasn't a strained ankle. You actually fell over a wall, didn't you? Yeah.

SPEAKER_12 38:43

No, I jumped over that wall. You jumped over to take a piss.

SPEAKER_06 38:47

I jumped over that wall to take a piss.

SPEAKER_12 38:50

I had I I had previously jumped over that wall before Frank, like about a half an hour prior. And I think that he thought that um, because of my stature, that it was not that far of a drop, and it really was.

SPEAKER_04 39:04

That's right, that's called a misjudgment.

SPEAKER_17 39:08

Um, yeah, I am also your foot got freaking huge, didn't it?

SPEAKER_04 39:12

I uh yeah, I am also of Scots-Irish descent, and the last point, Riv, my wife is also part of the build room in the evenings, you know. She sits behind me on her puzzle.

SPEAKER_12 39:24

That's the puzzles, that's right. Nan, we love Nancy. Nancy's Nancy's great. Frank, all listen, you said a lot of great things. Um, one thing with you about the like my shadow is not leaving that convention area or hotel room, so there's no way I'm going to Scott Water because Airbnb.

SPEAKER_17 39:45

You'll be in bed by nine o'clock. And unfortunately, I'm still voting for Adam.

SPEAKER_12 39:50

Oh wow, Frankie Blanton makes a push. He interrupted Frankie Perot.

SPEAKER_02 39:56

Frankie Perot is getting on a roll. He likes mission model page. How can you how can you vote for him?

SPEAKER_04 40:03

Uh Frank Perron, I got an itch on my nose here, dude.

SPEAKER_13 40:08

And I'll point out, I never said mission models was bad, just I don't care for it myself.

SPEAKER_02 40:13

No, no, it's all good. Oh, that puts Adam a notch down now. Yeah, because they won't admit.

SPEAKER_12 40:21

Yeah, look at Adam is yeah, Adam's is slowly dissipating.

SPEAKER_17 40:25

You don't get input, you're fucking auditioning too, Frank. Right.

SPEAKER_02 40:32

Listen, I gotta knock the competition down, right?

SPEAKER_08 40:35

I'm the only fucking Frank that's got a seat at the table right now. So come on, boys, bring it up. Seven three francs. If one of us is having an off night, that's two in the pink, one in the stink, right?

SPEAKER_12 40:46

Oh no outtakes as well in this show because we're doing all everything's in the show, no outtakes.

SPEAKER_13 40:52

Which Batman was it? I forget which the Batman with Joker. He's gonna pull a Joker where he's gonna put me and the two Franks and Russ and Measy and Logan in a room, and on the table will be one knife.

SPEAKER_12 41:05

Oh, is it dark or night? It's the pool cue when he breaks the yeah, he breaks the dark he breaks the cue cool cue. Exactly. Yeah, what'd you call it? He calls um make it click. Make it click.

SPEAKER_13 41:17

Believe me, if it comes down to that, I'm definitely the first one dead.

SPEAKER_12 41:21

Aggressive expansion. That's what he said, right?

SPEAKER_17 41:24

All right, so Russ, what's your story?

SPEAKER_12 41:27

Yeah, Russ, hold on a minute. All seriousness, we're having fun with this. Obviously, we know this is having fun, but Russ has never been on the show, and you know, not a lot of people might not know Russ, so I want Russ to at least get his, you know, people to let him know who he is and what he likes to build and stuff too. So, Russ, give us a little doubt about yourself. Not like at the very beginning, but like close to it.

SPEAKER_05 41:49

Okay, well, um I don't know. Let me say, I've been in the hobby for I don't know, 15 years or so, maybe a little less than that. Yeah, I don't know. Um there's not much really to know other than uh pretty much you know, three. Okay, no, you're not all nervous.

SPEAKER_12 42:11

What do you know? You're with your friends. Forget about the forget about the few thousand people. You're not live right now.

SPEAKER_17 42:16

Nobody's looking at you.

SPEAKER_12 42:18

It's not live. You did forget about the few thousand people that are listening.

SPEAKER_03 42:21

Yeah, Frank Frank's here without pants on, Russ. You got nothing to worry about.

SPEAKER_12 42:25

There's no reason to get nervous. Be the Russ Clark that doesn't shut up in the building. Let's go.

SPEAKER_05 42:31

Yeah, I don't know. What do you mean that doesn't shut up?

SPEAKER_12 42:35

You talk a lot. When you get on a row, we have some good conversations. Come on, talk.

SPEAKER_05 42:40

Well, I was thinking I think I would be a good choice uh to take over Justin's swap because I've been where he is. Maybe I sort of been where he is today. And I know that he's got a lot, a lot of growing to do, a lot of a lot of new experiences, you know, so having the time for the show is probably a little too much for him.

SPEAKER_13 43:08

Opening up opening up a house of prostitution takes a lot of work. Right.

SPEAKER_12 43:11

I mean he's got his raffle going on right now, full disclosure. A lot of heavy lifting.

SPEAKER_05 43:20

He's got a lot to learn about himself, and he does.

SPEAKER_12 43:24

He has he needs to learn a lot. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 43:27

If anyone anyone new to doing something like this, I think his spot would be the perfect one to you know start out as.

SPEAKER_12 43:42

Russ, you do know we're joking tonight about taking his spot. Like he starts like fucking, like, he's got a lot in his life. He needs to settle down, he needs to break.

SPEAKER_13 43:51

But Russ, but Russ is about to shift into why he thinks he should replace you. Yeah. Like me.

SPEAKER_08 43:56

I got a beard. I'm the only one that can grow a beard. I can only do this.

SPEAKER_12 44:02

Look, he's all nervous. I'm sitting there going, Russ is really auditioning for the role. Listen, he's a bad friend, first of all, Justin. We all know he's bad. He's a bad friend. He owes all of us money, and the juice is running. He does not owe me money. Oh, I thought he owed you money. He owes me money. He does not owe me money either.

SPEAKER_06 44:22

Anything owes them money.

SPEAKER_12 44:24

No, listen, Russ, you would I think you could you could definitely play the straight guy well, though. You could definitely play the straight guy.

SPEAKER_05 44:31

Well, of course.

SPEAKER_12 44:32

I mean, I don't I don't say a lot, but when I think you know, we might have to do you might have to audition for Tooch's seat.

SPEAKER_17 44:39

Tooch's seat? Yeah, you're more where you just fucking build models and don't. You're more the straight guy.

SPEAKER_12 44:44

You're the straight guy.

SPEAKER_03 44:47

I was gonna say Russ is a man of few words, but still more words than Tooch.

SPEAKER_05 44:57

Wait, well, that was a that was another hilarious.

SPEAKER_12 45:03

And and Russ just waves that was a microphone problem. That was fucking hilarious.

SPEAKER_17 45:09

That was awesome.

SPEAKER_12 45:10

All right, listen, Russ, man. You didn't sell me, man. I'm a little nervous, man. You know, you you might fit well in the gym. You know what, Russ? You might you know what you you you would fit well in the janitarian position for us. The janitarian services the toilet paper in the bathroom. I've always been able to handle it. I'm only kidding, Russ. You did good. You get nervous. There's no reason to be nervous here. You're amongst friends, my god.

SPEAKER_17 45:40

Like we talked about you're on the left pile, not the right pile. Right. I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_12 45:47

Russ is a great model, and Russ has got a good, you know, he's he's he's from you know, he's from Massachusetts, so that's kind of a strike against him. You know, we don't like those guys up there, but then it goes without saying. I'm not sure about that.

SPEAKER_08 45:58

Does it does his last name end in a vowel? Because that's a big one, right?

SPEAKER_12 46:02

No, it doesn't. It's a consonant, okay.

SPEAKER_02 46:07

Hey, I bring one more thing to the table. I can't Andrew.

SPEAKER_17 46:12

All right, we still got two more candidates, so the the next one's gonna be fucking Missy.

SPEAKER_12 46:18

Well, Missy's listen, Missy, Missy's got a you know, well, Missy, you know, pay attention, you're building right now. We're doing a I know this is like a uh an impromptu thing that we did. We got all together like we weren't really prepared for this, but I thought it'll be fun. And you're over there fucking building models while we're doing the show. You're acting like how Adams was back in the day. You know who you like, Julio from the Built Sideways. I was on the Built Sideways podcast. I saw Julio's back of his fucking head the whole show. Or you would hear him, he would be building, and then like all of a sudden, you're like, I would say something to go, he'll go, fuck you. Like, dude, where did that come from? That's Julio.

SPEAKER_17 46:53

So you didn't even get to see what he looked like, or what?

SPEAKER_12 46:55

Yeah, the side of his face. I mean, he's not a good looking guy.

SPEAKER_13 46:58

How dare someone on a podcast about model building build models?

SPEAKER_12 47:04

I mean, seriously, the audacity, yes, the audacity. I need your full, I need your full attention right now. This is a very important while you're listening to this right now. Stop and just say, All right, so ms. So, Mr. Misi, my my like I said, my my my uh good friend Andrew's been a big supporter of the show. Um, he leads the new new the New Zealand contingency, which is not saying much considering the the company you're kind of hang out with down there, you know. You're friends with Callum a little bit. You met Callum was does the Micro Machines podcast. You got Adam out down there, you got that fucking weird guy, Ron, down there with you, too. Man, he's a fucking weird guy.

SPEAKER_11 47:43

Yeah, we don't talk about the weird boy.

SPEAKER_12 47:45

Yeah, Ron's a weird guy, man. I mean, I'm surprised he's not, he's sort of like uh he's got a lot of Ted Bundy vibes. Is he like you know, he's a Ted Bundy? I don't know if you want to be yeah, he's kind of I don't know, man. He's up to no, he's up to no good. He looks like he's in a connected guy down there. Do you have the mob in New Zealand? You guys got like like any kind of like organized crime down there? Well, I think if you did, I think it could be part of it. I want to strike an arrow.

SPEAKER_17 48:11

The military's not in charge of dealing with that, so he wouldn't know.

SPEAKER_12 48:15

If if he was like bald, he would remind me like Whitey Bulger or somebody. He's like got that vibe, like he's a criminal or something. I think. No, you don't think so? Yeah, he could he could fit that criminal criminal mindset. I'm joking around, and I love that he goes around with it, but yeah, he is a weird guy anyway. So, Andrew, so again, you represent New Zealand, that's the underpit of the world. We sometimes forget about New Zealand, like, right? Isn't there maps where New Zealand isn't even on there? They got you know it's funny, they got Madagascar on the map, but they don't have New Zealand.

SPEAKER_11 48:42

Like, ah, yes, it's very easy to cut New Zealand off a map when you're trying to like save space on a map, and like mine, mine's right on mine's right on the edge, and every time I posted a certain a certain photo, Andrew's always like, fuck you, because I had this like pencil set or whatever it was over New Zealand.

SPEAKER_17 49:00

I didn't realize it was just sitting on the back of my edge, right?

SPEAKER_11 49:03

We're always on the bottom right of a map, so everyone always just it ends up covered up so easily, right?

SPEAKER_12 49:09

Well, I mean, if it wasn't for like you know, the Lord of the Rings, would anybody even know New Zealand existed? No, probably not. I mean, but most Americans don't even know I didn't know, I didn't even know what New Zealand was until like you guys don't know anything beyond your states apart from the kid.

SPEAKER_11 49:23

I wasn't fan beyond New Jersey.

SPEAKER_12 49:26

Is that film like New Zealand on the risk board?

SPEAKER_11 49:33

No, I don't think we end up on the risk board.

SPEAKER_12 49:35

No, it's not even on the Axis and Allies map when you played the freaking Xpace game. They're like, you can take over the world except New Zealand.

SPEAKER_17 49:44

It's just Australia, no New Zealand.

SPEAKER_03 49:46

Yeah, they're like there's no point in doing a military campaign for all nine people that live there. It's fine.

SPEAKER_12 49:54

Andrew, they made sure Tasmania was there, but they're like, fuck New Zealand.

SPEAKER_11 49:58

Yeah, we always got to include that little bit of Australia, but no, don't worry about us. You know, I'm only a kid, it's all done.

SPEAKER_12 50:05

So listen, Andrew, you know, Andrew's been on the show a lot. Everybody knows Andrew, he was actually on the live cast a couple of shows ago, does great stuff. Um, really great modeler. You know, you came here, we had a blast. Um, showed this guy New York. It was like Crocodile Dundee in the fucking city, man. He was like lost. I was like, Andrew, we're gonna play a game. I'm gonna leave you. No, I told Andrew, I'm like, listen, this is what we're gonna do. I'm gonna tell you you gotta go to this location and I'm gonna meet you there. You think you could do it? No map, you gotta find it in New York City. He's like, I don't think I can do it. I was like, how great would that be? I was like, I'm done, I got a missing person report from my New Zealand friend, a picture of him like in the fucking police station. Lost Andrew Misi from New Zealand responds to English allegedly.

SPEAKER_03 50:51

Does it make it onto a milk carton? As you say, he's on the milk carton.

SPEAKER_12 50:55

No, so anyway, so um, so Andrew, a little bit about yourself, you know, what can you bring to the show? Um, obviously, you know, you have a very strange accent. I don't know if a lot of people can understand you, especially in the United States, but uh just you know, can't understand you either.

SPEAKER_17 51:11

Shut up, Rob.

SPEAKER_12 51:12

It's my but I'm I'm on giving him an audition. What do you gotta get nasty for, Adams? What do you gotta get on nasty for?

SPEAKER_11 51:18

Exotic factor. I bring the exotic factor to the show. I mean, you've got you got, you know, I'm the token person from not in North America. You got Canadian, you got two Canadians and three Americans. You know, mix it up a bit.

SPEAKER_09 51:30

Yeah, dude, you're dude, you're selling it.

SPEAKER_11 51:32

I love it. Come on, give me some more. I like uh long walks on the beach. Um I'm a Libra. Drinking Pina Coladas. This is the wrong thing. This is the wrong video talk.

SPEAKER_13 51:44

Yeah. Um getting lost in the rain.

SPEAKER_11 51:47

Remembering lost in the rain. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 51:50

Um ladders.

SPEAKER_11 51:52

Let's see. I I don't like I don't like mission model paints. Quite frankly, in New Zealand, I've never seen a bottle of mission model paints. I don't even know if you can get mission model paints.

SPEAKER_12 52:02

Frankie Blanton's giving him the finger as on the screen.

SPEAKER_13 52:06

He knows how to and has exploded more things in his life than all of us combined.

SPEAKER_06 52:11

That's true. Potentially, yes. Yes.

SPEAKER_13 52:16

Actually, wait, the fire people, the fire yeah, the fire people probably know how to do it too.

SPEAKER_03 52:21

I got issues, so you know. Yeah, good point.

SPEAKER_13 52:23

Good point.

SPEAKER_03 52:24

Okay, he's the only man in the room that can probably run a light machine gun. We'll put it that way.

SPEAKER_11 52:29

There is that, yes. I can probably run a light machine gun.

SPEAKER_03 52:32

So he can run security for the podcast, Riv.

SPEAKER_11 52:35

He could.

SPEAKER_12 52:36

You could, you know, he's usually like watching the screen. Dual purpose. Usually, usually, Andrew, when he's on in the build rooms, because obviously he's like a day ahead, he's got like his headphones on and his military, you know, fatigues or whatever he calls it, and he's sitting there just like writing post-it notes to everybody, and he's supposed to be watching a screen. And for all we know, New Zealand could be getting attacked by Australia, could be down to DEF CON too, for all we know, and he's not even paying attention.

SPEAKER_02 53:00

Yeah, I'm gonna knock down the competition. And knock down two of you guys already. Just remember, uh Rob, Andrew's friends with Brad. Right.

SPEAKER_12 53:13

You are a friend, you know, and you defend that guy too. You've defended him, yes.

SPEAKER_04 53:17

I thought right, yeah. Andrew Andrew says he's shaking paint, but we all know, dude.

SPEAKER_12 53:23

I I even told Dave Goldfinch that uh he had Brad on the show on on the on the bench, and I told him that's that's like a deal breaker for me. Like that's like as good of friends as I am with Dave, and we we're doing a new podcast soon. I mean, a deal break is like the the Brad Belsheim thing between us. I mean, if he continues to be friends with Brad, I don't know if I can continue this friendship.

SPEAKER_05 53:43

Who here is going to Brad's house, though? Isn't somebody here going to Brad's house?

SPEAKER_12 53:47

Right, and I'm going on the duress duress because there's no alternative because I can't drive and I'm going, and Jim Gould wants to go there, and I really don't want to go there, but that's okay. That's a whole nother story.

SPEAKER_08 54:00

Brad is happy you're coming. He told me he just re-appoxied the kill room floor. He's ready.

SPEAKER_12 54:06

Yeah, you're good. All right, Angela, listen. You know, I I think that you would be a really good addition to the show. Um, again, your accent, it's kind of weird, but um, it's something I can get past, you know. But uh, we'll see. You know, you do have a lot of um you are a big part of the show, as everybody is. Frankie Perron, Russ, Logan, Adam, Frankie Blanton. Look at this. Yeah, exactly. Frank knows. But uh, you know, you definitely you do you definitely, you know, have a little something that we can definitely do here, you know. We're trying to we're trying to be a little more uh inclusive here at the insanity. I think we've been a little, you know, haven't been as inclusive as we could be, you know. I think we need to start doing that a lot more, you know. And you might be the guy to fit that uh role, right?

SPEAKER_11 54:50

I think the only down the only downside for me is the uh the time difference in the working hours. Uh listen, man, you already got fucking excuses, man.

SPEAKER_12 54:58

We're not gonna we're not gonna have labor disputes, we're not having labor disputes.

SPEAKER_17 55:01

You don't get to use up your sick days all on the first right.

SPEAKER_12 55:04

We're already having these problems with HR, man. There's no labor disputes right now. You want the you know, if you get the job, you gotta take it. You know the deal. You knew before you came here what the fucking role was gonna be, and now you're trying to give me in in problem of what you can can and can't do because there's some time difference. You gotta make the time.

SPEAKER_13 55:20

Mesy is in high demand. He's just putting his his points out there right now. Like, listen, you know that you know, you know what he's doing.

SPEAKER_17 55:28

You're moving over to the left pile now.

SPEAKER_13 55:31

I thought you're negratiating. I'm a left pile.

SPEAKER_17 55:32

You want to be on the right.

SPEAKER_04 55:35

Moving over to the left, Adam, Adam, wipe your mouth a little bit. Wipe your mouth out, Adam.

SPEAKER_03 55:42

You know, go to bath for the competition, but Andrew, you are technically living in the future compared to all of us here in North America. You know, you you do have a leg up on all of us here in North America, so there is that.

SPEAKER_17 55:56

Actually, what time of day is it there right now?

SPEAKER_11 55:59

It's Sunday. Sunday. Right now it's three o'clock in the afternoon on Sunday. Oh shit.

SPEAKER_17 56:06

That makes no sense. Yeah, and it's 10 p.m. here. It's like what nine o'clock here?

SPEAKER_02 56:11

Hey, look up the score of the Yankees game tonight for us.

SPEAKER_12 56:16

All right, so we're gonna finish up with Logan. Now, listen, Logan is a you know, listen, we know Logan's a great modeler. Um, thankfully, his camera's not working. That's a definite plus for him right now. Um, you know, I've never met a guy who's got rudder hair than Logan.

SPEAKER_17 56:33

True, it happens. He's got no soul. We know it.

SPEAKER_12 56:36

Should I say it? It could be really funny, or it could be really fucking oh, just do it.

SPEAKER_03 56:40

Come on, you never hold back, you never hold back in the fucking build room.

SPEAKER_12 56:44

No, I'm not gonna do it because people pull it off, pull it off.

SPEAKER_03 56:47

One shot, I'll be a wimp. Come on.

unknown 56:49

Wow, man.

SPEAKER_12 56:49

I mean, you're getting soft in your old age. Some people got one like this one of three or four characteristics that's that a person has, right? They you know, but Logan got hit with some man. I don't know what what your mom, your mom made a deal with somebody that went bad, red hair, chunky, um, not a good looking guy. Yeah, you're out of your and your personality's okay, so you that's the only thing you got going for you is that okay personality. So, what can you do for the show? Thankfully, it's a an audio show, and we might not have you on the live cast often, but uh what can you do? Exactly, Frank.

SPEAKER_03 57:26

Perfect face for podcasting, Frank.

SPEAKER_12 57:27

All right, you got a perfect face for podcasting. Yeah, so what can you bring to the table, Logan?

SPEAKER_03 57:32

All right, all right. So I'm gonna take a little different tact than the other guys here because I know this is a numbers game, it's gonna have to be agreed on by all the hosts. You know, if there's if there's a guy in the fucking build room that picks on Riv more than anybody, it's me. Like, come on, I give Riv a hard time because I have to give Riv a hard time. Yeah, somebody's got it's tough work, but someone's got to do it, you know.

SPEAKER_12 57:52

Dude, you're relentless, bro. Sometimes it's at a point where like it's it's it's criminal, bro. I can press charges with HR with you, bro. That's why we made an HR department in our group for because the HR department.

SPEAKER_03 58:04

That's the thing, though. You gotta hire me before you can report me to HR.

SPEAKER_12 58:07

So you know, you gotta oh, we have an HR department for our build rooms, man. You don't think there's an oversight? Somebody at least keeping track of what people are saying, what's in there?

SPEAKER_03 58:15

I already paid them off, though, Riv. They're they're already paid off. Don't worry about it.

SPEAKER_12 58:19

Would you pay?

SPEAKER_03 58:20

Forget about it, Riv. Forget about it.

SPEAKER_12 58:22

Forget about it.

SPEAKER_03 58:24

No, I think uh might be a decent stand-in for Justin because if there's anybody in this group that pisses the model car guys off more than anybody else, it's me. Yeah, you do though.

SPEAKER_12 58:35

That's a plus every now and again.

SPEAKER_03 58:37

When I'm stirring the pot, I take a screenshot and send it to him. Like, I hope you're proud.

SPEAKER_12 58:41

Yeah, you do give those guys, do you do piss those guys off? I'm surprised they've been asked you to be on the show over there on the model car model, the model car mania, bro. They don't want you on.

SPEAKER_03 58:50

Maybe. Oh I know uh Justin's been pretty busy. I know Mike's been pretty busy.

SPEAKER_12 58:54

I talked to um don't make excuses for Mike Outlaw ever. Now that's a negative now. You just that's what you got now, it's a negative. Don't you ever do that again?

SPEAKER_03 59:04

Yeah, it'd be pretty sweet. That'd be fun to be on that one, too.

SPEAKER_12 59:07

Well, Model Carmania, yeah, they got a good thing over there. But this is the insanity. We're not worried about those guys, we're worried about this. What can you do?

SPEAKER_03 59:14

I'm I'm neutral on the mission models paint issue because I've never used their paint, so I I need I haven't neither have a positive or negative opinion on that, so I can't weigh in on that.

SPEAKER_02 59:23

I could understand Rev, how bad of a friend is Jefe to you?

SPEAKER_12 59:27

Oh well, well, Jefe, it depends on the day of the week. Some days he's a good friend, some days he's a really bad friend. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 59:37

He's a good friend to me. He's a good friend to me, Rev.

SPEAKER_12 59:40

I wish I could say the same, but uh knocking him down a notch. Do you know I'm saying that Jefe's listening to it in his freaking car going to the Amps Natures right now, pulling out his fucking knife again while he's driving?

SPEAKER_03 59:51

Yeah, and he's gonna be looking for you when he gets there, Riv. You keep this up.

SPEAKER_12 59:55

You probably will, man. And happy second, why isn't it? Is he gonna bring any tolerance juice this year? You think? I don't guarantee. All right, so we're gonna wrap this up. We're gonna wrap this little thing up. So listen, this was a lot of fun. We're breaking Justin's chops a little bit. We just want to have a little fun here, maybe have some laughs here. But uh overall, you're all good candidates, but you're all shitty podcasters, I think. To be honest with you, Logan, you wouldn't be any good. Um, Adam Jackson, listen, Adam's got potential. You know, Adam's always welcomed on the show. Frankie Blanton, you know, he's you know, he's he's not on his A game right now, he's not drunk. Um, I vote for Logan, he gave me a happy ending. That was supposed to stay between us, damn it. Ah my God. All right, so we're joking around. That was a little fun, a little bit here. You guys are all good parts of the big parts of the group, and we all have a lot of fun. This is how the build room is usually, and that's what we want to let people get a taste of how it is in the build room. We love Justin. We wish he could have been on tonight, but Justin had a family obligation he couldn't be on, and we thought it would be fun just to joke around to break Justin's balls because, like Don Rickle said on the last show, Justin hasn't been around a lot lately. He says he's gonna be doing a weekend build and he's gone for six months. So this is my proof right now that he comes around and he's not around here. But you know what? Before we go on and talk about more about the hobby, we're gonna go to our next ad spot for guideline publications in Military Milecraft International.

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SPEAKER_12 1:02:53

You guys, whoever's driving to Amps right now, listening to the show, I'm gonna have a little river ant here. We're trying to figure out this freaking Amps website on how to freaking sign up for a fucking judging shift, right? They need judges, they need uh people to uh like ACJ or do something, ramrod, run. Running is when you bring a model from point A to point B back out to the table. Ram rotting is when you're the guy at the table that kind of takes your papers in and checks your model, make sure you're at the right skill level and all your paperwork is right. The person's not supposed to f up at that point because if they do, it makes the rest of the day go bad when the paperwork is wrong, right? Frankie Peron? Absolutely. ACJs are the chief judges, they would they're walking around making sure people are, you know, kind of judging properly and so on and so forth. When you got your four top judge, we spent hey Russ, how long did it fucking take me to freaking figure out? Thanks to Russ, showed me where to go. I'm looking at the website trying to see where I can sign up to judge. You guys are going to Amp. I don't know if any of you guys pre-freaking signed up to judge or do something at the show that I mentioned, but Russ, at least 15-10 minutes. I was trying to fucking find it, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:04:02

Yeah, I think I think I think I let you suffer for about 10 or 15 minutes. I had I had done it before, so I knew how to get there, but I mean, this is the thing, they're like, Well, people aren't signing up.

SPEAKER_12 1:04:14

Why aren't people signing up? Because it's fucking hard to find, man. Can I I I I don't want to cause trouble because with the you know, I'm part of the executive board, but it's gotta be an easier navigation on these websites on how to fucking pick stuff, man. Like how to do things need to be easier, it's not supposed to be harder, yeah, Frank.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:33

So um last year I signed up online to judge in three different shifts plus a fourth shift for diorama. When I got to the show, none of that was printed out on the grease board, and I asked what was going on. They're like, Well, it didn't translate over, so I don't even bother signing up online. I just go when I get to the show, I just sign the board with the grease pencil right there, and I picked my slots.

SPEAKER_12 1:04:59

I I appreciate that. I remember that like last year, Frank. Everybody's going, like, I signed up and there's nothing on the boards.

SPEAKER_17 1:05:05

Yeah, it was it was it was like totally pointless to fucking register your shit online, right?

SPEAKER_12 1:05:11

Rob Adams and I went out and drank. Yeah, the navigation on these sites have to be better, man. It has to be easier. It it can't it can't be difficult, especially when you got this, and they go, Well, no one's signing up, no one's doing this, no one's doing that, because people can't figure it out. I I don't consider myself to be like like like I kind of have some like I can maneuver shit. Christ, I do stuff on the computer all the time. It's like Christ, Pornhub is easier. Fuck do it like Pornhub, easy. Click, boom, done, boom, done.

SPEAKER_17 1:05:44

I've been here, you get what you want, right?

SPEAKER_12 1:05:47

Right.

SPEAKER_17 1:05:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_12 1:05:48

I fucking want to sign up for a shift. Why do I gotta spend 10 minutes trying to find it, man? It shouldn't be that difficult.

SPEAKER_17 1:05:55

And then you and then you show up to your table at the time that you're supposed to be there and it's already full. With other dudes. Exactly.

SPEAKER_12 1:06:03

Dude, I swear to God, I'm trying to figure this out. And I and like I said before, I originally originally was not going to be going to the show, right? I up until this weekend, I was like, we're recording Saturday night. Up until like Thursday, Friday, I was not going. And whatever the reasons I have to not want to be there, and my wife's like, listen, man, you're fucking crazy right now. You're going crazy. You got to get out of the house. You're driving me crazy. You're driving the kids crazy. You're driving yourself crazy. You got to get out of the house for a few days because I can't have you in my house, the house for a you got to get out. So I'm like, all right, I promise I'll go to the show. So I'm going to the show to save my wife's sanity as well. I don't want to go to Brad Belsheim's house, but I I guess we have to because that's like the layover spot. So if I'm missing on the like if someone goes to the show on Thursday and Rob's not there, I'm probably in the backyard in a hole. Brad Belsheim probably chopped me up while I was well.

SPEAKER_17 1:06:54

At least you're easy to clean up because you're little.

SPEAKER_12 1:07:03

I'm trunky river right now, so I'm gonna need a couple of hefty bags, double bags.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:10

You know what I'm looking forward to most of this show? Being able to win another Tom Clancy book in the raffle table.

SPEAKER_12 1:07:16

Yeah, there's a that's a whole nother. All right, so I mean, listen, man, that's a little rant, man. They gotta figure out the stuff. It's supposed to be easy, man. Stop making everything so fucking difficult with these sites, man. This is 2026, man. Things like that need to be right on the home page. Remember when you used to go on back in the day, and you wanted to like look at a nudie pick on fucking on the on the on your uh whatever version and you click on the picture and it like it it comes up on the screen like line by line by line, and like it took five minutes to see that naked chick on your screen, right? Christ, that's kind of why I feel, yeah.

SPEAKER_17 1:07:56

But but nowadays, can't you just get an app to make a fucking app? I'm sure you can, right? It's AI, Rob.

SPEAKER_12 1:08:03

AI. I don't know, man. It's just it's just gotta be better.

SPEAKER_17 1:08:05

Nobody's watched Terminator, nobody. Just say it.

SPEAKER_11 1:08:08

It's it's 2026. There are plenty of ways to make websites and apps these days. It's it's so easy.

SPEAKER_12 1:08:16

Uh it's like, oh my god, yeah, I can't do it.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:19

Hey Riv, what's up? Could I jump in here and just say, um, so for this year's amps, I'll be 61. It'll be my birthday that weekend, but I have seen the society go from 1995 till now, and I've attended, I've only missed three shows in the entire time of amps. I have seen it grow, I have seen it make positive changes, but you're right, there are some things that need to get better, and I know it's an or uh volunteer organization, I get all of that, but sometimes it does make me feel like more than a senior trying to hunt around and find stuff on the website.

SPEAKER_12 1:08:57

Yeah, it can't be you. Listen, I your birthday, I will buy you a drink, Frank. One drink. Happy ending's good.

SPEAKER_17 1:09:05

Make sure it's one of them fishbowl ones, Frank.

SPEAKER_12 1:09:07

Well, if you're hanging out at Watico's place, I ain't gonna be wearing anything. The blue one? Yeah, if you're at the hotel, if you're at the hotel bar or wherever, I mean, I don't know how much commiserating I'm gonna be doing there, but one if you're at the bar at the restaurant or whatever we're gonna be, the hotel or whatever, that's where we'll be. I'm not going into the fucking outskirt neighborhoods this time around, like we did last time in South Bed. It's gonna be staying at the hotel, and that's it. My shadow's not leaving. But anyway, it's gotta be a little bit better. It's gotta be a little bit better.

SPEAKER_13 1:09:36

I'm uh I'm gonna be the lone voice of dissent.

SPEAKER_12 1:09:40

What about the what about like the online shit?

SPEAKER_13 1:09:43

Yeah, cut them some slack. I am dead serious here. Yes, it could be done differently. Cut who's slack, amps? Yes, yes. I mean, it's not like it's I'm not paying a thousand dollars for the show and two thousand dollars for a there's a whole bunch of people putting a shitload of time into something.

SPEAKER_12 1:10:05

I agree with you, man. I'm not gonna say that.

SPEAKER_13 1:10:07

I'm not gonna mock them for that. I'm not gonna do it.

SPEAKER_12 1:10:09

I'm not mocking anybody, I'm not listening this isn't attacking anybody who does anything for the club, and I know I know the people behind it and the people who do what in the uh for the club and they do a great job. This isn't about that, it's about finding a better way, right? I'm not saying that the site isn't done in a way where it it's it's serving its purpose, it's just that it's 2026 and it should be easier. Like, no one fucking goes on the computer anymore to freaking do shit, it's your phone. Like who like 90% of my web browsing or whatever I do like online is on my fucking phone. It's either while I'm taking a dump on the toilet pole or fucking sitting on my couch watching a show. I'm not in front of my computer. Like, who sits in front of the computer and goes on a website and does their banking? Like, who's fucking oh, I gotta transfer money. Let me turn on the computer. No, you're using the fucking phone.

SPEAKER_13 1:11:03

Two things. One, be more selective about your should-bees. Two, I think the one, the number one should is that Steve Tooch needs to put his hair like that every day with it like over his forehead.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:18

Yeah, look like uh look like a hip hipster Ben Franklin, man.

SPEAKER_12 1:11:23

Listen, I'm sorry I went on a rant, but uh I had to get that. This isn't a bit. I'm not listening I don't want to cause trouble. I got enough, I got I gotta I don't want to go to the show and have problems. I'm just saying that the my experience is now. I can only tell you what my experience was just now trying to fucking um register for a shift to ACJ at the show just so I can put go down, right? And I and it took like 10-15 minutes. And if it wasn't for Russ, I would still be sitting with my phone in my hand trying to figure it out. It's not supposed to be that difficult for Christ's sake. Yeah, turn your phone sideways, whatever the case may be, is it shouldn't be that hard, even when even turning it sideways, you can't find it. And toots, you should be ashamed of yourself right now. Thank god no one can see what's going on. And if we were doing outtakes, this would be an edit and an ask right now. You look Mike ponytail's a rig. I love it. You know what? You look like an elderly cousin it right now. That's what you look like. Right now, you look that actually is true.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:23

Oh my god, please. Let's hope they order enough double X skirts here, too.

SPEAKER_12 1:12:29

You know, this is. I mean, I I hope people in the car that are driving the ants right now are listening and laughing a little bit because that's what this is supposed to be, is laugh. They're supposed to have fun right now, and that's what this hobby's about.

SPEAKER_17 1:12:39

This is actually the build room right now, right?

SPEAKER_12 1:12:42

Yeah, this is we're trying to do we wanted a little uncensored little podcast, not the same shit over and over again where it's all you know regimented with like little things. But I know, and this is the truth. So, Rob, while we were recording, you just interrupted and I just edited it out. Someone had messaged you what a good topic would be for a future show, and instead of doing it on a future show, we're just gonna fucking do it now and figure this out. So, what did who sent you the message and what did he ask?

SPEAKER_17 1:13:11

His name's James Heal, and I believe he goes by Smoking Crow. I think uh I think that's his page. Okay, uh, he's been messaging me back and forth. He actually did this uh little bang 170 second scale something or other in 12 hours, and then he's like, you know, this is my first armor piece. Should I enter it in the in the show? And I'm like, Yeah, hell yeah. And he took a second, so good on him. 12 hours. So if you go on our page, I'm sure it's there. He's also a long time listener.

SPEAKER_12 1:13:43

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know who he is. I I know the smoking crow, definitely. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_17 1:13:47

And he's obviously from over in Europe somewhere because okay, says mate or yeah, or Australia or whatever. He says, I got silver, mate, with that uh 12-hour build. And I was like, Perfect, you have skills, brother.

SPEAKER_12 1:13:59

Listen, don't I don't want to read? I don't want another conversation. What's the topic?

SPEAKER_17 1:14:02

Hold on. Now I'm getting to the topic, fucker.

SPEAKER_12 1:14:05

All right, tell me, Jesus Christ. I'm getting all swag. I take my sweatshirt off.

SPEAKER_17 1:14:10

Goose flabbergas. I said, Perfect, you have skills, brother. And he said, That's very kind, mate. I have a long way to go. The podcast is definitely teaching me to push myself on every build, though. I do, however, got a topic that might be interesting for one of the podcast chats. I seem to be constantly buying out of my skill level, kit-wise. Instead of buying a basic kit, I'm constantly buying higher end ones, then buying every upgrade, going aftermarket, decles, etc. Going to start it and think, what the fuck am I doing? I have so many kits on the shelf, I'm scared of even opening the box.

SPEAKER_12 1:14:46

Interesting. Who wants to tackle this first? I don't want to take it over right now.

SPEAKER_13 1:14:50

I'll hop on it.

SPEAKER_12 1:14:52

All right.

SPEAKER_13 1:14:53

You gotta be happy. Things I was hearing in what he was saying was outside of my skill level, pushing myself. None of that. Just do it.

SPEAKER_09 1:15:02

Right.

SPEAKER_13 1:15:03

Fucking do it. And just enjoy, just focus on the process and just dive in and and be like, oh my god, this is photo edge and it scares the shit out of me. And if you fuck it up, who the hell cares? Have fun doing it. Be happy. The outcomes will eventually happen, but don't focus on the outcomes. The hobby is it's not about having fun, it's about being happy.

SPEAKER_17 1:15:28

Exactly.

SPEAKER_13 1:15:29

So find a way to be happy with that.

SPEAKER_17 1:15:32

Here was my response. I've done the same thing. Collecting is an addiction all on its own. LOL. However, you only get better if you try. Push yourself. That's what I said.

SPEAKER_13 1:15:44

But the important side to that is it's it's good. If you want this hobby to be continuous quality improvement and you push yourself, that's fine. It is important at the same time to catch yourself. Like, oh, I'm actually miserable pushing myself on this build. Okay, fine. Then go do a different build, or don't push yourself on this one. That's okay. Right, sure. It's okay to say I don't give a shit what this model looks like at the end.

SPEAKER_17 1:16:11

Well, like I always say, did you pay for it or did I? It doesn't matter, right? That too. I could do whatever the fuck I want with that box of plastic. If I want to just throw it in the goddamn fire pit because I'm pissed with it, fuck you. Right?

SPEAKER_04 1:16:26

So I think it needs to be said that sometimes you you could be working on a model and you have envisioned in your mind what the end result's gonna look like, and sometimes it may go a little bit south, but you find yourself sort of meandering around with washes and camouflage and airbrushing, and you're sort of like, you know what? I'm kind of in a zen state having fun with this model, and and maybe that's what it is, and not every model that you do is gonna be worthy of putting on a table. I've been building models over 50 years, and I can tell you, Rob Riv, shut your mouth because I know what you're gonna say. I'm telling you guys, like every second or third model I do, some of them don't even see the light of day. And it is what it is, you know. Sometimes it goes south, but I enjoy the process. I have fun doing the process, even when it's frustrating. And the best thing is I can walk away from it for a couple of days and either come back and correct it or come back, toss it in the bin, and start something else.

SPEAKER_17 1:17:42

So hold on. Are you saying you have a shelf of Doom, Frank? Because you barely even have a stash.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:47

I have a small English phone booth that has four shelves in it full of Doom.

SPEAKER_17 1:17:53

Yeah, I'll put a picture on you have more, you have more Doom than kits.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:58

Uh no, and no, no, no, yeah, but I do have some Doom, yes.

SPEAKER_13 1:18:05

And there would be nothing wrong if he did. There's nothing bad about that again.

SPEAKER_17 1:18:10

Like I said, man, it doesn't matter, it's your fucking money. Who cares? Right?

SPEAKER_13 1:18:15

It's your time and it's your happiness.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:17

Exactly. And you know what? It's scale modeling, it's not at least it's not crack or meth. I think there's a bumps bumper sticker out there that reads that.

SPEAKER_17 1:18:27

Well, you know, anything that you have some sort of tangible uh result at the end of it, I think is important, and that's what a lot of kids and shit are missing out on these days. That's why we need to you know what I mean. Uh a score on a on a video game means a lot to them, but it actually it's not tangible, there's nothing there, it's not a physical thing, exactly. Or is at least you you build a model, you're producing something that you can look at, turn around, see it all, like and and be proud of that. I don't know, that's just be proud of it.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:59

No, you're you're absolutely right, Rob. You're absolutely right.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:03

I was just saying, I never really believed the term. What did he say? Outside my skill level. You know what I mean? There's really no such thing if with everything online today that you can kind of learn on your own, and it's only outside your skill level until you do it, or at least try it. I mean, there there is a progression to learning things and getting better, right? I mean, really, after the first time you try it, it's not necessarily outside your skill level anymore because you're learning it. Right.

SPEAKER_11 1:19:34

Yeah, repetition learning is probably one of the best ways to do something. The the first one might not go to plan and yeah, might go a bit south, but the second time you do it, it'll be a bit better, and then the third time you do it will be even better again. Everything moves the moves the ball slowly further down the line, and you get a little bit better each time you do it.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:52

I was gonna say that it's uh the the way I look at it, it's perfectly fine when you're if you're buying stuff that you know is a bit more than you can chew at the time, you know, knowing that you can get to it later, but you also need to you know acquire things that you can practice on too, like Andrew said. The first one might not be great, second one might not be great. By the time you get to the third one, you can tackle that one that you think is a bit more than you can handle. Like I've got kits here that are like that with uh like most of my car stuff. I mean, I could tackle that no problem, but I have a couple really old ones that are really hard to replace that I'm gonna work on my shiny paint stuff before I tackle them. I've got a couple airplane kits that are the same way, but I've got other stuff that's more on the basic side that I can work through all the bugs and figure all that crap out before I get to you know the more advanced stuff. And the uh the the he mentions having so much stuff that he's terrified to to work on anything or whatever, Adams, or he's finds it hard to work on it because of how much is in the stash. Uh Adams, what was the last part? He said he had had so much stuff that he uh so much stuff that he had a hard time working on it or whatever, or terrified to get it.

SPEAKER_17 1:20:57

Well, he's he's he's it sounds like he's scared to tackle it, like he so he bought all the stuff, right? Just scared to tackle it, and it's like I I agreed, like you you're not gonna learn unless you try it, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:21:08

And I was gonna say too, that's uh I was gonna say sometimes you just you straight up just don't need all the aftermarket stuff for a lot of things. Like I've got that and you don't I've got that M1070 semi with the the truck in the trailer with like with four with four photo ed sets, and I was looking through it a while back, and about half the aftermarket photo ed sets you don't need because the kit already comes with it, right?

SPEAKER_17 1:21:31

It's got a shitload of PE in it, anyways.

SPEAKER_08 1:21:34

And I was like, What we've talked about that on previous shows, guys, right? Like the one thing that this hobby has, and a lot of them do, nobody who wants to get into woodworking starts making world-class duck decoys, right? You're gonna start whittling on a spec. And it's the same thing with kits, and there's lots of the podcasts and there's YouTube videos where they talk about hey, if you want to get into this hobby, here's some suggestions so that when you start it, it's the learning curve is there, right? Start on a Tamiya, start on a Trumpeter KV. We always, you know, Riv and I always tell people to do something like that so that A, the experience is pleasure. When I got back into the hobby in 08, I had I didn't hobby since the 80s. And the first couple of kits I bought, I mean, I don't know what well, I know what I was smoking, it was whatever Adams was leaving lying around because I bought an ICM, the AEC armored car. Like Jesus Christ. I bought I bought a Dragon Panzer 4, right? And uh I think there was a car there oh, yes, and the Panda Hobbies Tunguska. What yeah, exactly. So I'm an absolute unmitigated disaster with this shit, and I'm doubting myself, like, oh my god, I'm not gonna be able to like this is move beyond me.

SPEAKER_12 1:22:45

Was Tunguska where like the asteroid blew up or whatever above uh Russia? Wasn't the Tunguska?

SPEAKER_08 1:22:49

That's where yeah, it's an anti-aircraft system.

SPEAKER_12 1:22:51

Oh Tunguska and said it, like they said in Ghostbusters, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:22:55

So then I I picked up the Hanamag from Tamiya and you know, it went together nicely, and it was like, okay, hold on a sec, right? So take a step back, read the forums, learn a little bit, and realize oh fuck, I put my big boy pants on before I actually learn how to go to the toilet. So I mean, there is a learning curve, and that can be daunting, but at the same time, just go for it. Like now, yeah, you know, just just and just do it for the joy of doing it. Be be happy. There's lots of help out there. There's us, like our Discord. Uh, you know, I don't think any one of us, of any of us, including the Justin replacements, have ever turned down a call for help or assistance or support. Never.

SPEAKER_13 1:23:37

And I've asked so many people, and I've never had anyone refuse it. You're right, absolutely.

SPEAKER_08 1:23:42

So maybe maybe your first kit shouldn't be a 1994 ICM kit, maybe just saying.

SPEAKER_17 1:23:48

Yeah, yeah. Or an early I mean, it it definitely behooves you to do a little research into what you're doing, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:23:55

I was gonna say, or or conversely, your first kit also shouldn't be, you know, a new tool full interior Rye Field King Tiger either.

SPEAKER_17 1:24:03

Yeah, well, unless you're really fucking keen, I guess.

SPEAKER_08 1:24:07

Which is not a majority of people, but but you know, we've talked about this. There's Kai gu there's car guys out there, and they just keep buying this like the car kit.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:17

Oh grab the rest of the game. Don't even get me started.

SPEAKER_08 1:24:20

Well, no, but I mean the ones who make it, build it, put it on their shelf, they don't go on Facebook and critique other people, they just oh love what they're doing, they're happy, right? Yeah, happy making muscle cars from when they were 15, and there was nothing else in the world but chicks and those cars. Boom. Yeah, and and that's perfectly.

SPEAKER_17 1:24:40

Look at their models and they're fucking terrible, but that's the way they were designed to be.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:44

I mean, my input on this would be um, definitely do it. Is as far as all of you guys brought up great points. Uh as you move along through something new like this, pick the easy parts of the kit out first, whether it be the photo etch or some some more difficult parts. You don't have to commit each part at that point. You can test fit it, you can put it aside, move on to the next part. Don't make it a stressful build for yourself. Enjoy the process and learn the little nuances of different photo etches or aftermarket stuff that go along with the kit. And and I'll be the Rob will agree with this too, Riv. You're not gonna use every piece of photo etch in a set, just some of them just don't work well, they're not 3D, you know, like they they don't they don't add a dimension to the kit, is what I'm trying to say.

SPEAKER_12 1:25:36

Just because it's P doesn't mean it's better than what's on the kit.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:39

Right. I'll agree. It doesn't present uh uh yeah, a better option, but um yeah, I mean me, I don't commit parts right away. I test part, I test fit parts, and I'll that part may be bent. I'm gonna say, you know what? I'm gonna put that aside and work on the next part for this kit. This way I have a bunch of little subassemblies and then move forward from that point.

SPEAKER_12 1:25:59

Like I always say, don't cut the part off the kit until you know that the one that you're making is built the right way and you're ready to put it on. Because once you cut that part off the kit and you fuck up that photo edge or whatever else you're doing, you're screwed.

SPEAKER_17 1:26:12

Yep, especially grenade launchers. Fucking what?

SPEAKER_12 1:26:16

Well, I will say this because you guys are having a good conversation. I don't want to like I love the banter, which is perfect, but I will say that this kind of falls into the whole thing where we talked about taking risks too. You know, you gotta be able to take risks in the hobby and do certain things and do some you gotta fail once in a while before you can ever succeed in things. I know you're gonna fail, you're gonna fail, right?

SPEAKER_17 1:26:39

And you're gonna have some tenacity. That's all. It just requires a little bit of tenacity, right? Like, fuck it, you can't consider it a complete failure. I learned something.

SPEAKER_12 1:26:49

I don't think there's kits out there for me in particular that I say, you know, that's too much kit for me right now, but there are projects that I plan that I have, like where I have the kit and all the ancillary aftermarket stuff that you have for a kit. And there are times when I'm like trying to figure out what I want to build like in the future, like like, oh, and like when I finish this, I want to build this, and I say, I don't know if I want to build that because there's a lot of work that has to be done on that kit. I don't know if I'm up to doing all that work. That's what hampers me sometimes. But people need to understand that they need to also take those risks, like you guys said, and not be afraid. Like, listen, I know we talked about this before, and I say it a lot. You got to build for yourself and not worry about what other people think about your builds and how you're doing it, right? You need to have fun. And if you're not doing certain things because you don't think you have like this this like smoke and crow saying about like, I don't have the skill level to tackle on this project. Well, you know what? Maybe you should take on that project and see where you're at. I don't know if there's specific skill levels to particular kits, but you need to have some prerequisite skills to work with certain mediums. Photo Edge is one of them. Like if you don't have The like the Gecko kit that I recently built, that's now available from uh Gecko, the Matilda one. That kit's got a lot of freaking photoets. Now I did a video on YouTube and you can see all the photoets that's for that kit. I didn't show myself building all the photoets on screen because a lot of that photoets had to be when I tell you that a lot of the photoets that's in that kit needed to be cut and resoldered smaller because they were overscale or oversized for what they were trying to do. I modified a lot of those parts to fit my needs or way they should be. I could do that because I have the skills to do it just from working with photoets and soldering, but other people might not. I've seen some people build that kit recently and post on Facebook, and I can tell the issues they had doing that photo edge. That's a kit that you need some higher skill level with if you're gonna build it and want to do it the way it's supposed to be done, but you can't be afraid to do it either. You gotta fucking take it on. Nobody's gonna see the work. It's like who cares? The only person's really seeing it is you. If you're worrying about putting it on social media or showing it to people, and that's gonna prohibit you from trying something, then you're doing this hobby for the wrong reasons.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:07

Okay, some point was making those fuel tanks for the Soviet vehicles. It took me two or three before I figured it all out, you know, to to bend them, solder them, and get them together. You can't be afraid of that stuff, you just gotta go through with the acceptance that I'm gonna mess a couple up before I get it.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:25

Yeah, I I don't think a lot of people think that you do that in the first shot, you know. And and I think it's important that you say, Look, it took me a couple of times to get that done. Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_12 1:29:36

Like when I did the video for the Matilda, and I said specifically, like this this was made off camera because I had to be right over it. There was no way this was getting built in front of a camera because I was like, you know, a lot of it took me many tr shots to do it. It took a lot of adjustments. I fucked it up, it's not gluing right. I gotta redo it. I mean, you're not gonna play all the fuck ups, right? I mean, you gotta like you know, you gotta make it look like you know what you're doing, for Christ's sake. That's why God made editing.

SPEAKER_17 1:30:02

I don't know. Sometimes you know, putting some mistakes in there is isn't hard to do. No, I know.

SPEAKER_12 1:30:08

I'm just joking around, Rob. I agree with that, but uh, you just can't you just can't be afraid to fail. You gotta take those risks.

SPEAKER_11 1:30:14

One of my instructors at work, he um taught me a lot of pistol shooting and stuff. He said, You miss a hundred percent of the shots you don't take. You've got to pick it up and just do it. If you don't, it'll never get done. If you just leave it sitting there on the shelf and say, I'll look, I'll do it again later, I'll do it later, I'll do it later. You'll eventually just put it off so long and you'll never do it. You've got to just pick it up and start doing it.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:41

Yeah, and don't think everything's gotta be a hundred percent perfect because nothing's gonna be perfect.

SPEAKER_11 1:30:45

There would have been a time when even Riv for Riv doing Photo Witch, it would have been a first time that Riv did Photo Witch or the first time he sold it, and the first solder would have probably not been that good.

SPEAKER_13 1:30:57

And there's never to any of this, there is no end. Like we all do this hobby because there is no outcome where we get to some point and we say, Okay, I'm done now, never again.

SPEAKER_06 1:31:08

Yeah, right. Right, yeah, that's true. You never stop learning. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_13 1:31:13

This is gonna sound like way too philosophical, but I honestly believe it because I think I think one of the things that holds us back. Yes, Frankie, thank you for listening, Mr. Gennati. One of the things that I think people hold that holds people back is like you have to love yourself enough to live. You have to love yourself enough to just fucking do something. It's true, like I'm gonna fuck it up, and it's not about that. It's I'm living, I'm doing something, and I'm going to have fun. And it like you gotta love yourself enough to not get all stuck in your head about all the shit that so many modelers get stuck in their head about.

SPEAKER_17 1:31:50

Yeah, right. You know what? So social media has actually probably been a big factor in that. It's a double-edged sword. That that side of things because now everybody can post their shit and everybody can see it, right? They don't have to go to the show. So that becomes a big issue too, right? Like, you know, it's like Riv always says, Your pictures fucking suck, right? Yeah, you know, but whatever. So that's the social media side of it, whereas back in the day everybody just kind of did their thing, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:32:25

So I just want to share an experience I had. So 1975. Sorry. I know, I know, I think it was around 75. I got my mitts on the 130 fifth scale to my 88 millimeter flat gun. I had a lot of parts left over from building that model, uh, but I put it together enough to where I thought, hey, this looks done and this looks cool. And I put that jagged sort of zigzag camouflage on it that I just thought was the bomb. And you know what? I grabbed another kit. In fact, it was a half-track to tow that. I put that together in 1975, I guess it was, and sure, I had some parts left over, but I had a lot of fun with it, and here it is now, 2026. I'm still putting models together, and I'm still learning stuff every day. And I'm also finding that there are some kits that I have to stop and I have to go, wait, wait a minute, hold on. Let me read some, let me read up some stuff about it, or let me talk to some people about it, folks here on this podcast, folks on social media. And uh, you know, I'm not afraid to jump in, but I tend to be a little more hesitant to jump in right away with with both feet until I get a little more intel, or what is it? The geeks say, they say gouge. They want that gouge. The gouge, the gouge, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but that's the enjoyment of it is jumping in because you find yourself taking a deep breath and going, Well, here goes. You don't know how it's gonna come out, and it may come out bad, but it doesn't matter if it comes out bad, it's all good. So I say absolutely go for it and talk to people about it, and you'll have a rewarding experience, amen, brother.

SPEAKER_17 1:34:21

And don't be frustrated by your failures, even though all of us are guilty of it, I'm sure. That's why everything that ends up on my shelf of doom ends up there because something and it's very little pissed me off to the point where I'm like, you know what, you can go fuck yourself, and it goes on the shelf. But that's because basic skills actually failed, right? That's where I get pissed off. It's not if I'm trying to advance myself and those fail, I'm okay with that. It's when basic shit fails, then I'm pissed off. Fuck you, you're going away. So you just remember every time you learn something and you get success with it, that's just another tool in your box that you will now add to your build SOP, right? Yeah, standard operating procedure, right? It just adds and adds and adds. And as you get better and you learn these things, then it just becomes you just do that on every model, right? It's just that's what you do.

SPEAKER_12 1:35:17

You can't be afraid to share your work to get honest critiques, right?

SPEAKER_17 1:35:22

For sure.

SPEAKER_12 1:35:23

Uh something plays into the whole uh when you're afraid to try new things, or like in this case, maybe do a kit that's above their uh your skill level or a project that you think is above your skill level. The only thing that you're gonna waste is your time and whatever money it was to cost that kit if you don't succeed with it. But uh what's your level of succeeding? Like what's the benchmark, right? Is it people's acceptance of how well you did it? That's the problem, I think. Sometimes is I think too many people worry too much or people worry about people's opinions of what they think the hobby should be, right? And I don't want to get into you know what's been discussed either on this podcast or other podcasts when people want to try to and try to indoctrinate people with their opinions on how this hobby should be enjoyed and why and how, right? When we do a podcast like myself here, we're having this topic which is totally off the cuff because we were not expecting this topic. This is something Rob just read, that's why we're doing the show to have some fun in the way we're doing it. But the thing is this you will find other people in this hobby, whether it be on a podcast or otherwise, on a forum, Facebook, or whatnot, try to indoctrinate you on why or how you should enjoy this hobby or what they think is the best parts of this hobby and why to try to convince you of why it's that way or why it should be that way. And you, as a modeler, need to forget about all that shit. You got to forget about what I'm saying right now, you got to forget about what anybody else is saying or what you read, and just make your own opinions, make your own assessment on what you're gonna do to make this hobby better for yourself, not for what I'm gonna tell you how to do it, or somebody else on another podcast or on a Facebook chat group or wherever. That's the problem.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:15

Well said, that was that's well said, Rob.

SPEAKER_12 1:37:18

That's the inherent issue with that question by smoking crow, is because too many people are worrying about what other people are thinking of their work or how the hobby should be enjoyed, and it's happening way too much lately, a lot. That's the problem, and and now I'm gonna like we'll see where this goes. What you there you go, Frankie.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:38

Well, no, all I wanted to say is you know, as modelers, I think it's very important that we all share our experiences with one another and our technique because my my saying in this hobby is is a rising tide floats all boats. We share information with one another, and we may share it in ball busting antics or uh comments or whatever, but you know, you learn a lot from a lot of other people on things that that they've done or experiences that they've had, and experiences that I've had that I can share with you. So that back and forth is really good, and I will say I have learned over the years since 1995, being a judge at AMPS and judging, and I judge with complete strangers, people I don't know. I always sit at a table with people I don't know because I end up learning a lot about everyone else's experiences and things that I haven't encountered. So to me, that's what adds value to the hobby, Rob.

SPEAKER_12 1:38:47

Right, and that's the social aspect of the hobby, and it's very important to the hobby today because that's how the hobbies evolved. We've gone, like we said, and I said this before, and I recently said this when I was our guest on the Beyond the Box Art show of the evolution of this hobby. This is a hobby that was in a lot of ways intended for children. That's why when you look at those old hobby leaflets or inserts in newspapers, it's always a bunch of little kids at the hobby shop in front of the counter with the older gentleman with the fucking apron on, looking at the models in the fucking shelf. Because it was intended for kids and it became a very adult hobby over time, and it's also a very expensive hobby today, where it kind of alienates a lot of kids in a lot of ways. But the the inherent issue right now, when it comes to that question, in my opinion, of being afraid to take on those higher end kits again, is maybe more not how you're gonna take it, but how other people might view your your finished results, and that needs to stop. Just enjoy the hobby for yourself and enjoy it the way you want to enjoy it, and don't have any external factors determining your enjoyment level in the hobby. It shouldn't be that way. Yeah, you have your own expectations, you have your own outlook on how you want to do things or how you want to improve and why you want to do it, but you in the end are your own judge. You're your own person, you should be assessing your own work. Like for me personally, I can give two shits what people think of the work that I do. I can care less. I don't care. I do this hobby because it's fun. I love the people, I love you guys, my friends. I love other people in the hobby to talk and you know, have conversations with, talk the hobby and share our work. I don't care that people say, Well, you don't know paint all your models. You know what? I don't really give a shit. That's what I like to do in this hobby. I like to fucking build a model. Do I paint? Sure. Am I not able to paint well? Then maybe you think I don't paint. Well, I think I paint well, right? I'm sick of people's fucking opinions all the time.

SPEAKER_13 1:40:48

There's a lot of there's a lot of layers here, but what you're saying is very true. Like when I was at Commies Fest this last weekend, first of all, the most joy out of all of it was hanging out with friends. Second of all, when I looked at my two models and there were some that one and they were whatever, and I looked and I thought, you know, that's that person did a great job. They it was it was well done, it was well executed, and I like the way mine looked more. I didn't I'm not saying it's better. I don't even know if there is a better, I'm just saying I liked it more. So it's gonna be on your shelf.

SPEAKER_17 1:41:25

Right.

SPEAKER_13 1:41:26

Uh love yourself enough to look at what you just said.

SPEAKER_17 1:41:29

Do you like my model on your shelf better than your models?

SPEAKER_08 1:41:31

And and Adam, just so you know, I've been loving myself a lot recently.

SPEAKER_17 1:41:37

Oh my god, Frankie.

SPEAKER_08 1:41:38

You're doing it now, Frank. What's your other hand doing?

SPEAKER_17 1:41:42

Exactly. Stop.

SPEAKER_08 1:41:46

Don't turn on the black light.

SPEAKER_12 1:41:47

Just don't turn on the black light. Tooch, what's your thoughts? Yeah, Tooch, you gotta jump in, man.

SPEAKER_14 1:41:53

All right, so I've been holding on to this one in 1994. I bought my first dragon kit, and it was the notch horn because I thought it was the coolest thing in the world, and I took it home and I stared at it and opened the box and I go, holy shit, individual tracks, no river bands. What the fuck? And then it was like, oh my god, look at the part count, and I start building it. And I think I got maybe a third of the way through it, and I put it back in the box, and that's where it sat until 2014 when I got back into the hobby full time. You know what I did with that kid a year ago? Threw it away, I threw it out. Oh, you never finished it. It was missing a lot of parts because it went through two moves. But um, I at that time, I think when I boxed it, is I was feeling like I just stepped way out of my my building capabilities at that time and my my level of patience. I think that's what it is, it's patience. I don't think it's about ability, it's more is about patience. Some of these things take time to build because really it it's about patience. If you don't have patience, it's not the hobby for you. If you have patience, this could be the hobby for you. If you want to learn how to have patience, this is the hobby for you. And if you want to be Rob Ridd's friend, drink heavily.

SPEAKER_17 1:43:09

Yes, that's what I do. That's what I do.

SPEAKER_12 1:43:13

Toots, you made a great point there. It's about uh the patience to do things, and and and I've been in Itali a long time. Frank, Frankie Blanton, like is Frankie what is he wearing like skinny shorts? Dude, he's wearing wearing bicycle shorts. Yeah, he's wearing he's wearing the shorts that you wore like in the 80s, like the Edita shorts with the like the stripes on the side that you like.

SPEAKER_17 1:43:38

Oh my god, is he? I didn't see that.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:41

Yeah, yeah, he just did he just need a he needs a balaclava and an AK-47 out of this from Eastern Europe.

SPEAKER_12 1:43:47

Yeah, he's wearing shorts that are that are definitely like two sizes too small for him right now.

SPEAKER_08 1:43:51

But the only one that scares me more is Tooch has shown up in what they call schnelle Frickehosen, quick fuck pants because Tooch is ready to go too.

SPEAKER_12 1:43:59

Yeah, that's really bad. No out of stand up there, boy. These are the outtakes. I'm not clipping anything out.

SPEAKER_13 1:44:05

Nothing gets me going like Donati speaking a foreign language.

SPEAKER_12 1:44:08

Yeah, there you go. Speaking in tongues, what I was trying to say was before Frankie got up and really made me want to vomit there for a second. Hey, is um Tooch, stand up, make them vomit. Go ahead. Frankie Prone's not a Frankie Perron just got up too. No, that's right. Just pops up on the all right. So, like I remember years ago, okay, years ago, like I love Panzer Threes. So years ago, like when you wanted to build like an early Panzer Three, the only way you were building that is to do a full resin kit, and those kits were terrible. And I remember I bought I suppose spent like back like in the 90s, like maybe the late 90s, like 150 or plus for like an old like pending house or a cromwell full resin casted Panzer 3. I don't know, the fucking like a D or something, or an E like an older one, like an E or something. And I remember getting that and looking at the box and being like, There is no way that this is gonna even be possible. Frankie, you know those freaking resin kits, man. They like for all yeah, like tracks are resin casted, the wheels are all in the it's like, dude, there's no way, and I had that kit for years until one day I was like, I just gave it away to someone at my club, like some old guy that probably doesn't didn't give a shit about that riv. That's it, those right there, accurate armor, like similar to that, but that's that's that's a good kit, though. Those kits, though.

SPEAKER_17 1:45:39

Technology is improved, so like the modern shit that you're gonna get aftermarket wise is gonna be a lot better than that fucking shit that you're talking about.

SPEAKER_12 1:45:47

No, no, no, no, no. I know, but you're missing my point. That's a good example of me experiencing that where the quality of the kit and the time it was gonna take to actually put it together and build just was like, there's no way this is gonna take too many hours away from my life. I'd rather do something else more. I can build five kits in the time that's gonna take me to build this. I was like, fuck it, I ain't doing it. And that's a good example of that. You know, that's a kit that would took a would was a high skill level because the cleanup took a lot of time, and uh anybody who's built old old school resin kits, a lot of guys that are building today doesn't remember the hobby where you know when you bought a resin hull, that fuck is warped. You gotta boil it in water and hope you're gonna straighten it out, right? Right. Or scratch build it eventually, something it was not, it was like oh that was a I loved that time. I missed those days in a lot of ways. That time that era late 90s, early 2000s, the mid-90s. That was the best time ever from this hobby today.

SPEAKER_17 1:46:43

With all the products though, for what's going on now.

SPEAKER_12 1:46:49

I appreciate a lot of the evolution and and the advancements in the technology when it comes to the the way models are made, the kitted, the kidding of the models. This the it's just better, it's definitely better. The the stuff that's available to complement the models, obviously, 3D printing, things like that. The hobby's so much better today than it was then. But in my opinion, the hobby was more enjoyable then, right, Frankie Planton. I've grown with the naughty guys. Any of you guys like roughly uh I'm a little with you on that, brother.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:25

I built that Matilda wanted the accurate ominous. Here we go.

SPEAKER_17 1:47:28

We struck a fucking chord.

SPEAKER_12 1:47:33

Listen, we could debate it. This is gonna be an offshoot of this topic right now. You guys want to battle it out? Let's go do it. Everybody's opinion. Go.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:41

Listen, uh, it listen. If you want to sit back and and and enjoy all those academy model kits that were copies of old shitty Tamaya kits and back in the day in the Chemo Sherman kit, fucking go right ahead, dude.

SPEAKER_12 1:47:56

But I mean you just okay, hold on, time out. You're bringing up the shittiest of the shittiest. Um like like out of all the things you could have mentioned, you go right to fucking you go right to Nanchimo, you go right to fucking Act Academy when they used to they would they were like um the um they were the copying Tomia kits and reboxing them. You're going to like the old Tamiya Yag Tiger that had like the molded on fucking tool two clamps and shit.

SPEAKER_04 1:48:22

Come on, Rob, I'll come a little forward and I'll say monogram 132nd scale and uh one uh 35th-ish kits. I mean, yeah, look, there's beautiful kits, those yellow box DML kits that like if you're lucky to find them at shows for 35 bucks, like the Panzer 3 HJ and L. Um, some of those, some of those beautiful uh uh German tanks for uh 135th scale that are in those uh really nice boxes, great box art that you have to cut 20 to 30 percent of the sprues off the kit to build the version you're gonna do. That's fine, but I don't know, man. I like some of the modern stuff that's coming out. That look, ease of assembly, they've been computer design. Unlike your nah, I don't want to say bashing because that's not right, but I am really looking forward to the M24 Chaffee. I mean, I'm having Chaffee orgasms over here, that is one of my favorite tanks of of all time. Yes, AFE Club did a model of the Chaffee, it was nice. I built it. Bronco did a model of the Chaffee. I read Steve Zaloga's article, and it was an MF to assemble. No way I'm gonna do that. Forget about it. I want that are gonna give me some pleasure to assemble.

SPEAKER_12 1:49:48

Gecko's doing a 16 scale version now, you know that.

SPEAKER_04 1:49:51

Yeah, yeah, let's that's not a gentleman's scale. A gentleman's scale is one thirty fifth scale. So let's uh I'm not I'm not gonna have to scale.

SPEAKER_12 1:50:00

But I do agree with you, and a lot of those models were were like they were tough. I just don't know. I just feel like like when I went to the hobby shop and there was all the Valinden stuff and Warriors stuff. Um like even Ava was around, model casting was the was the track company, the old fruit model, the fruit tracks. Yeah, it was it was just a different time. It was it was it was uh I don't know, man. It was just it just to me, it was a more enjoyable time. Maybe it was more enjoyable for me because simpler, it was simpler, simpler, right, right, Russ. It was simpler, but I was also I feel like at that point in the in that time period, like in the 90s, mid-90s, into the early 2000s. Me personally, I can only speak for myself, I was at a learning stage of the hobby where I was still learning how to do things and how to do things better and how to do things that worked for me then. Now, 2026, I feel like there's really not much more stuff that I can absorb to make the hobby better for myself, other than buying shit.

SPEAKER_17 1:51:10

You know, I'm not learning super detailing or researching or whatever.

SPEAKER_04 1:51:14

I mean, uh, Frank Perone. You go down the rabbit hole at Amps last year. Frank Perone said to me, He says, Frank, he says, You're digging my uh it was a tiger on a rail car. I said, Yeah, that rail car is badass. He goes, he goes, Squadron's got another one over there. So I went over there and I bought that rail car. I decided I'm gonna go ahead and put it together and I'm gonna put something on it, and then maybe Frank and I would do a buddy build and we'd put these rail cars together on a thing. So he totally challenged me. I look at this model kit, Frank Perome. Tell me who was it that made that model kit? Because I never heard of them.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:53

Saber. The company is Sabre. I say V E R.

SPEAKER_04 1:52:00

Right, Sabre model kits. Right. I have it, I thought I lost it, and um, I have it in my closet. I haven't started it yet, but it was one of those stories that well, here I am, I'm gonna jump to another new level, but is this something that was from back in the day, or is this something that's kind of going forward? I don't know, but I you know I say build it. Yeah, right, right. But Rob, to your point about Rob Riv, to your point about um moving forward with uh newer kits and all, I I prefer the newer kits because even though I'm retired now and I am older than most of the people on this pod uh mature than most people on this podcast. Yeah, I I you know I want to do stuff that's enjoyable and stuff that's gonna that that's going to um inspire other modelers.

SPEAKER_12 1:53:01

I can appreciate that, and and you you um you used a keyword there, you said easier, right? Easier and and and and I do agree with you that especially like this kits that are easier today, and and and and the hobby is easier today. The hobby is very it's much easier for people today to get into it and get the results they want easier today. Yeah, it's easier today to get the best results because of not only the products are available, the kits that are available, but the the um ancillary outside sourcing of of material and knowledge you can gain quickly by watching a YouTube video, reading an article, or seeing something on social media makes it easier for people. There you go. Rob, you wanted to say something, Rob Adams is coming at the bits to get rewarding right now. I love it.

SPEAKER_17 1:53:56

No, I we you know what I was what I was thinking is like, okay, there's a line in the sand that you gotta draw, right? So if on one side you're like I can't do this, and on the other side, I can, at some point you need to step across that fucking line, right? So if you're feeling confident in your basic modeling abilities, basic modeling abilities, you can cut parts off, you can clean them, then just go forward and do that if that's what you want to do. Some people want to do like lighting, and that that's a whole nother thing, right? Soldering wires and figuring out how they're gonna go, all that shit. So it's just how far you want to go, but I don't I don't think that you should ever think that you can't do that if it's actually what you want to do, right? If that's what you want to do, then you're gonna learn how to fucking do it. Right if you don't learn how to do it, then you actually didn't want to do it. I don't know.

SPEAKER_13 1:54:57

And either way, it's okay. Either way, it's okay. You're right. Yeah, I agree with you on that, Adams.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:04

I mean, I know most of you guys here are armor guys, but with the the car shit that I do with doing the stripped out interiors and stuff, there was I had nothing to go off of with how to how to do that because I'd never seen anybody do it in scale before. It was just get the fucking styrene and get to work and had to figure it out as I went along. And it looks all right now, still got some improvement to do, but there's no better no better way to learn than to learn by doing it.

SPEAKER_17 1:55:28

Yeah, and and and like like we said, the first time you're gonna fail, but the second time you learn you definitely learned a lot of shit from the first time you did it, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:55:36

Oh, and it's totally fine to fail more than once because I've failed way more than once on a lot of the shit that I built, believe me.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:42

But I I can understand the hesitation with some people, the amount of money you put into these, you know, you you spend on a kit 60, 70, 80, 100 for a kit. Yeah, yeah, the money is there.

SPEAKER_17 1:55:55

Well, and then and then this guy was also talking about buying all the aftermarket and shit, too, with no clue really how to use it, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:56:03

So no, you can't think that way. You know, model kits, as soon as you walk out of this hobby shop with them, they're worth a third of what you just paid for it. So it's like a car, it's like a car.

SPEAKER_17 1:56:16

You drive it off the lot, it's worth 50% less.

SPEAKER_02 1:56:19

You just build it if you don't like it. It's a lot, you can't think of it as a monetary value, just think of it as time spent that you actually maybe release some tension somewhere. You had a good time building it, whatever the case is for you. You can't look at that point of view, just look at the kit and enjoy it, or just pick pick the cheapest one that's got the the least amount and start there, yeah.

SPEAKER_17 1:56:43

So that you're not fucking up with like a whole bunch of shit, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 1:56:47

Right, or if you or if you do want to go the aftermarket route, you just stick to the basics. I mean, get it if your tank doesn't have a metal barrel, get a metal barrel and get good tracks. If it's got shitty tracks, replace the tracks, and then don't worry. If you need photo etch, if you need to go further into it, then do it. But don't if you throw$300 at a freaking tank and then you're afraid to build it. What's the point of doing it?

SPEAKER_17 1:57:09

Yeah, well, yeah, you just got a bunch of money sitting on your shelf that's fucking you ain't done cracking.

SPEAKER_02 1:57:16

It's gone, it already evaporated.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:19

Yeah, because then you can then you can you can spend 300 bucks getting every everything together, then you lose the uh lose the motivation to build it, then you put it on the scale model graveyard and you get 43 dollars for it. It's uh it's just there's no return on investment.

SPEAKER_17 1:57:33

Yeah, it's the person that opens their box and goes, I got all this free shit in my kit because you knew you couldn't get any more money for it, really. Right, right.

SPEAKER_05 1:57:41

At some point, you start buying things that you don't even need for that much money, so yeah, don't exactly don't worry about it now.

SPEAKER_17 1:57:50

That's the addictive quality of the hobby. It's gonna get to be a collecting problem at some point. Yeah, collecting is also a problem with the hobby.

SPEAKER_12 1:57:59

You're spoiled today, you're spoiled today as a as a modeler because again, we're gonna go Frankie Blanton. It's easier today in some ways, like the hobby, like the kits that you got, and and and I can appreciate that. But just like years ago, where you needed to like when you need products, or well, you needed something for a kit, or you're gonna build a certain kit, there were certain products that were available, or you like today, you need something. I can sit on my couch right now and order a ton of shit, right? Remember years ago when you went to a model show, like you actually got good deals, and you actually were finding things that you needed, and it was exciting, like oh, there's a show and the prices are great. Now, like, okay, we're gonna be going people listening, hopefully, listening to this as they're driving the Amps Nationals. You know, you now you're going, you're walking around at Amps Nationals, and every single thing that's at that show, rejeil not just forget about the price, like let's forget about the price, let's just think about the availability of the items. Every single item that's there could be bought in a split second on a fucking on your phone while you're on the toilet of the day before you go to the show. Like now everything's at your fingertips, like there's no reason, like when everybody's like, Oh, I love going to shows because I love the vending, and that's how it used to be back in the day. Yeah, yeah, right. The vending was great.

SPEAKER_17 1:59:26

Oh my god, they got that yeah, but you can still find rare shit and whatever.

SPEAKER_12 1:59:30

You can, but it's not like you got into this hobby late in life, Rob. You know, you're right, yes, you're right. I don't know what it was like to go to an go to like an Amps Nationals years ago, or even a local type of show where there were vendors, yeah, and walking around and finding kits at great prices, or finding like aftermarket parts that you couldn't get any other way.

SPEAKER_17 1:59:53

I'm under a decade. I'm under a decade. Nine years, I think a memory just popped up and I posted it today.

SPEAKER_12 2:00:00

Right, so you're still a newbie.

SPEAKER_11 2:00:01

Hold on, Andrew wanted to say something. So I'm even younger in the hobby then than than Adams is having only picked this back up again since 2020. And amps last year for me was an eye-opening experience. There's nothing like that for me over here. So it'd have for you guys, you've been there, you've been there many times, many times. Frank said he's been there nearly all the times that Amps has been on. But when I went to the Amps Nationals last year, I had money, I was looking for things, and I was borrowing through stuff, I was finding good deals. Because to me, in New Zealand, shipping stuff from the states, shipping stuff from Australia, it all costs that extra bit of money. But for me being able to go and find it myself and put it in my bag and take it back, I was finding good deals, I was finding bad deals at this last year. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_04 2:00:50

Yeah, Andrew is absolutely right. You're right, Andrew. And one thing about amps is when you get to a vendor, sometimes you have to burrow into that vendor to find those little gems and those little uh uh diamonds in the rough.

SPEAKER_05 2:01:07

It's it's one of the best part about the vendors for me. That's you know what I mean? That's my favorite part, right? You utilize a spoiled for choice, go through every single sheet of you know, photo watch, every single, every single all that stuff that nobody touches. That's where it's that's where the gold is.

SPEAKER_12 2:01:26

You used to go to a vendor and be like, you know, I'll you you're buying three kits. Oh, I'll I'll give you another 20% off your buying. You're not getting that today, you're not getting that today. And I'm not saying I'm not saying you should because things have changed, but you're not getting those deals like you once did.

SPEAKER_17 2:01:42

You just not my my favorite vendor is the tool guy, is the tool guy. Uh UMM, um, yeah, John Varstek. I yeah, he and he's an awesome dude, man. Spent some good time with him. John Voshtek is a I don't know.

SPEAKER_12 2:01:58

Is he at is he gonna receive vending at AMS this year? Who John Vashtak, you um voy tech.

SPEAKER_17 2:02:06

He's been there both both times.

SPEAKER_12 2:02:08

I was it was not IPMS last year, it was not IPMS last year, and he was at IPMS.

SPEAKER_17 2:02:12

I've seen him at every show I've been to in the US.

SPEAKER_04 2:02:15

He's been there, you know, Rob Riv. I I I hope um Dustin Ryan and any other modeler that's listening to this on their way to Amps. I hope they appreciate how hot this discussion has been tonight.

SPEAKER_12 2:02:30

A bunch of scale modelers talking about some hot model topics just to let you know, Frankie Bland's on his third glass of Scotch, but it's okay, it's settling in. Listen, this is what this is why we did this tonight. These are great little discussions. Again, I was like, you know, we gotta give somebody, we gotta do something for the ride to uh South Bend, stop and give some people some stuff to listen to and some content. I see on the bench this Dave Goldfinch just did a uh show with the the Model Mojo. They just released in episode 235, just came out while we're recording. Um, I'm gonna give Dave a hard time. Um, but uh, we're giving people content to listen to on the way. That's what it's about on the way back, you know. A couple hours a 14-hour trip for Russ Clark. It's a long ass ride.

SPEAKER_17 2:03:15

You're driving 14 hours to go there, man. Really?

SPEAKER_05 2:03:18

Yeah, well 14 with like one stop.

SPEAKER_02 2:03:22

Ross, that's button for fucking Adams. He's gotta drive 14 hours just to get to the airport to fly there.

SPEAKER_12 2:03:29

Right, he's gonna drive 14 hours to go to the food store over there in Madison Adams.

SPEAKER_15 2:03:34

Back when I was a kid, I had to cross four provinces before I could get to the airport.

SPEAKER_04 2:03:39

It's true. Listen, listen, let's not talk about um, don't forget to bring your brushes to dust your fucking models off. Because we're not fucking dusty ass models to judge. But you know, there's something else that Justin Ryan is famous for. Like when we went, we went to PaxCon a couple years ago, and God bless you, Justin. You brought me a bottle of booze Patton's uh armored diesel. I love it. I drank it, I refilled that bottle a few times with some other shit that I thought was Patton's diesel. But Justin gives me a route and he goes, Oh, yeah, take 127, you're gonna throw a roundabout, you're gonna come in the back way, and then there's route 433, take that. Those roads were so bumpy, they would knock a fucking tampon out of a nun to get there. And I get there, and all my models are created PG today. I got running wheels flying in different directions. I'm like, thanks a lot, Justin. It's first time I'm met you. I'm gonna take uh and and you give me this route, dude. Thank you. Listen, last chance, Rob Riv. Oh, are we you are we eulogizing Justin?

SPEAKER_13 2:04:57

Yeah, yeah, because this is my let's wrap it up before he before he dies and we don't know it. Like, come on, well, we're replacing him, I thought. Right.

SPEAKER_04 2:05:06

I'm 60 years old, I'm more experienced, I've been building models since 1970, whatever. Disco and um Justin, uh, tubuku, to buo.

SPEAKER_13 2:05:19

Riv, we need to put Blanton to bed.

SPEAKER_12 2:05:21

Yeah, well, we're we're all getting a little tired. Now we're going on almost 12:30, and we started recording at 10 o'clock at night. Um, you know what? We're gonna do one last ad spot because I gotta do this for Greater because he is gonna be vending at the show. So we're gonna get an ad spot in for Chris Greater and Greater Woodworking, and then we're gonna do a little closing. All right, so our next ad spot is for Greater Woodworking.

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SPEAKER_12 2:06:23

All right, we're back, and uh we are gonna close this off because we're going over over two hours. This is gonna be very edited, very little, so a lot of ums and ahs and stuttering and all the other crazy shit will probably be in here. No outtakes. There's no outtakes for this episode. They're in the thing, especially after all the shit that Frankie Blant just said. That would be clicked either at the front or the back, right, Russ? That would be inspired by Frank Ferrari.

SPEAKER_03 2:06:49

There's gonna be about six people that make it this far into the podcast, anyway. Rev. Don't worry about it. They're gonna be like, these guys are idiots. I'm turning this off.

SPEAKER_12 2:06:56

If people listen, if people are listening to this on the drive, so there's some people got some long drive, so they're not just listening to the insanity, maybe they'll listen to other shows, to other insanity shows. Maybe they can listen to the sci-fi insanity after dark, which is great. It's great because you don't hear Rob Adams on it. No offense, Rob.

SPEAKER_06 2:07:13

Um editing, editing, love you too.

SPEAKER_12 2:07:16

You guys can think what you want.

SPEAKER_04 2:07:18

Rob ribs is gonna edit, Rob Ribbs gonna edit this show. It's it's all gonna be editing.

SPEAKER_12 2:07:23

Yeah, no, no. We're gonna um there's some other good shows you can listen to other podcasts, got some great shows out there, but um, so let's just kind of end this off. So we all gonna be there. Uh, the insanity, just me and Justin are gonna be there. Frankie Blanton will be there, Russell be there. Um, Frankie Perone and Adam Jackson will be there, but the Frankie Donati unfortunately will not. And maybe he won't. Maybe oh Frankie might make it on the Saturday. Okay, yeah. Yeah, work. Um, Rob Adams can't make it this year. Steve Chantucci, my buddy Steve, ain't gonna be there, but he will be in IPMS Nationals in the bad, yeah. But the insanity will have a table at Amps. We're gonna have our table set up and we will do some live. We're gonna do a live show like we did last year, maybe break it down into two. So hopefully, if anybody wants to hang out, you come to the table. I plan on sitting most of the show there. My fat ass is gonna be sitting down. No pitches for the magazine this year. Thank God. I don't have to worry about that. I can relax. Insanity's gonna have a low, we're gonna have a low profile this year at that show. We're not sponsoring anything at the show. There was a little that's a whole for another story. So no sponsoring awards this year for the insanity. We will have chips to give out for people, but uh it's gonna be a very low-key show and very relaxing, hopefully. So make sure to stop by the insanity table at Amps Nationals. Myself and Justin will be there, as well as Russ will be there. Frankie Perron, I guess at Adam Jackson and Frankie Blanton.

SPEAKER_17 2:08:51

Well, unless one of these guys take Justin's positions.

SPEAKER_12 2:08:54

Nah, we all know that was a joke. We all we love you, Justin. We all break in your balls. We're gonna do sign-offs though, Frankie. We're gonna be able to get it out there. Justin knows he's listening. I might break in his balls. We were having a little bit of fun. Justin's not leaving the show. We wanted to have a good time with you guys on here and give a little bit. We had a great topic, man. We had some good modeling discussion saying Toochie spoke very little again. He always complains that he can never get a word in edgewater. Just speak up for Christ's sake. You're a school teacher, just say something, Tooch.

SPEAKER_14 2:09:24

Oh, it's my turn to talk. No, you got you keep adding more people. So, how am I gonna speak?

SPEAKER_12 2:09:32

How am I gonna say you can just open your mouth for God's sake? I can barely get you to shut up when we're around hanging out. You don't want to say a word over here. Just talking.

SPEAKER_14 2:09:42

Anyway, I come on. I say profound things, I don't have to say a lot, but when I say it's a lot, right? He's got he he does drop the hammer when he's gonna do it.

SPEAKER_12 2:09:51

What did Rickle say? Rickle said he he sits there, nods, and doesn't say anything, and then boom, best best line of the night. That's that's Steve Santucci. Yeah, unfortunately, not tonight, though. He didn't say any have any zingers tonight, right?

SPEAKER_06 2:10:03

I had something to say.

SPEAKER_12 2:10:06

All right, so let's do some sign-offs and some send-offs. What does anybody need to say? We'll go like on my screen. We're gonna go around and we'll try to follow the the left to right. So, Adam Jackson. I know you're excited about the show. It's always a pleasure. Hopefully, you bring a lot of um a cineminophon or whatever the hell it's called, Tylenol, Advil. Gotta get back that doctor.

SPEAKER_13 2:10:29

If you profit because none of you need a cedaminophil's effects on your picture, can you bring some Xanax for me?

SPEAKER_12 2:10:35

Any Xanax? Can you bring for me? Xanax?

SPEAKER_05 2:10:37

Oh, you're the pharmacist? Okay, good to know. Yeah, Adam Zanex is his name.

SPEAKER_12 2:10:41

That's how he got his name, Dr. Feel Good from the the from Amps Nationals in South Bend two years ago. He was giving everybody Advil that was hungover and shit for the next one.

SPEAKER_07 2:10:51

That was awesome.

SPEAKER_12 2:10:52

All right, so Adam, what do you want to say? What are you looking forward to about Amps Nationals? I'm sure people are listening going to the show right now. So what do you want to say?

SPEAKER_13 2:11:00

All the humans. Hey, just watch out because I'm gonna be just gushing love on all of you. Just I'm just so freaking excited to see everybody.

SPEAKER_08 2:11:08

He's a gusher. Sounds like oh my god.

SPEAKER_12 2:11:12

Adam is um Adam Adam is definitely uh Switzerland. Adam is slit switzerland. He is our Adam is our I think.

SPEAKER_13 2:11:21

No, Justin called me his Labrador. I'm a Labrador.

SPEAKER_12 2:11:24

A Labrador, but you're also Switzerland, so you're kind of like like you're trying to keep the peace between everybody and have a good time. He's neutral. He doesn't want to cause trouble, which we I appreciate.

SPEAKER_13 2:11:34

I like all my friends, even if they don't like each other.

SPEAKER_12 2:11:38

And you know what? I want you to fucking get I want to see you get drunk one night, Adam. You're gonna get drunk. I don't drink really that big. I don't want to use it.

SPEAKER_13 2:11:45

I don't do that, I don't do that anymore, man. But thank you for the all right.

SPEAKER_12 2:11:49

Fr well, Frankie Danati, the the the the organizational guy, the guy behind he's the guy behind the guy, behind the guy. He's the guy that keeps the ship running. Um, without Frank, we would be Lost, I think maybe we you know, maybe we're gonna try it out. Maybe we'll do a show without Frankie's planning and see how it goes. Um, I think we'll be all right, though. Frank, do you agree or disagree?

SPEAKER_08 2:12:10

Oh, I think you'll be fucked without me, man.

SPEAKER_12 2:12:12

I pretty horrible.

SPEAKER_03 2:12:13

It'd be two and a half hours of listening to Riv. Go, God, I wish Frankie was here. It's all fucked. It's true.

SPEAKER_12 2:12:19

Frankie, what do you have to say?

SPEAKER_08 2:12:21

Hey, uh, uh, I hope I can make it. Uh, you know, Adams and I'll be FOMOing this year. We both were hoping to be able to make to both shows, but life's just like that. So um, I mean, I hope everyone's having a great time doing those personal connections, which is probably the most important part of Amps to get together and just sharing each other's happiness and companionship. Great show, shopping, all the wonderful stuff. I'm hoping to be there for Saturday. I'm gonna give it a shot. And uh much love to everyone and and and thanks again to all the listeners for taking the time to listen to our nonsense. Uh it's very much appreciated.

SPEAKER_12 2:13:02

Definitely much appreciated. Absolutely. I agree. Well, that's what we do it for, man. That's we do it to for to give people content and have a couple of laughs and enjoy maybe your fucking fucking 12-hour drive to South Pit, Indiana. Hopefully, Frankie Blanton, if you're sober enough to get a coherent thought off. I know you just got up and you were in your underwear. Do you have anything like anything to say besides Hurricane Gussie?

SPEAKER_04 2:13:27

I do. I do. Left arms and right arm.

SPEAKER_12 2:13:32

I mean, he's got his figure, he's got his he's got his figure parts between he's got separated left arm and right arm. What is wrong with you, bro? You need some serious help, man.

SPEAKER_03 2:13:45

You know, hey, so somebody made the joke about Brad Belsheim being a serial killer earlier. Well, uh, Frank's over here. That wasn't a joke that's serious. Frank's over here with bags of body parts labeled and everything, man. What the fuck?

SPEAKER_04 2:14:00

I mean, I got a story. I got a story. I got a story for you on the modeler on on a live modeler spotlight about my first my second wife. But anyway, I just want to say thanks everybody for listening. Have a great time at Amps. Keep your mind open, keep your soul and your heart open. It's all about styring, it's all about relationships, and it's all about people. And let's have a great time. And that's all I'm gonna say, man.

SPEAKER_12 2:14:34

There you go. Thank you, Frankie. It is gonna be a good time. It always is, always is. Frankie Perone, what do you got to say?

SPEAKER_02 2:14:40

I'm looking forward to seeing everybody, seeing the models on the table, as always, and uh having some good experiences and memories again, like the last couple shows, you know. Um, all good times. I'm looking forward to my Tom Clancy book if I get lucky enough to win one at the raffle table.

SPEAKER_12 2:15:06

Let's get a coherent throat off too, like Frankie Blanton. What do you have to say?

SPEAKER_17 2:15:10

Well, no, I'm just you know, I I have some FOMO because I'm not gonna be there. And uh, you know, every time I've been there, and especially even when I met Andrew last year and shit, it was it was amazing. It was such a good time, and I'm just and judging with Frankie and you know, everything. Oh Frankie's the the Frankie's, I should say. You know, the Frankies. I just it's it's a real shame that I can't do it this year. I'm upset about it, but it it is what it is, just shit happens.

SPEAKER_12 2:15:43

So shit happens, man. It is what it is, but there'll be you know, God willing, there's another you know, another show, another year, and next year we'll back up. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_17 2:15:50

Oh, it'll happen next year.

SPEAKER_12 2:15:51

Next year's show, Camp Hill is is actually gonna be um the Gotham Amps, our club, and to one of the co-chair people of the next year's amps show with Jim Gould, and that is uh yeah, that's next year. So we're my our c our club is the host club.

SPEAKER_17 2:16:09

So where is that? New Jersey or New York?

SPEAKER_12 2:16:11

No, no, no, Camp Hill, where we were last year.

SPEAKER_04 2:16:14

Okay, let's get an Airbnb, Rob Adams. Absolutely, I'll make cocktails.

SPEAKER_12 2:16:20

Nah, yeah, you'll make cocktails. Mr. Mr. Russ Clark, what do you have to say?

SPEAKER_05 2:16:26

Yeah, I'm excited to see everybody.

SPEAKER_12 2:16:29

Look at Russ, man. He's a natural at this man. Natural. Look at him, Russ. Well, you're definitely taking Tooch's spot. We're gonna figure this out, me and you. I got this.

SPEAKER_17 2:16:40

What is the next episode about how auditioning for Tooch's? Yeah, I think so.

SPEAKER_12 2:16:45

Yeah, yeah, we're replacing Captain Tooch.

SPEAKER_11 2:16:48

Andrew Messi, what do you have to say from down under serious FOMO going on right now? Hearing about this, because like yeah, I do not even have the ability to be there for this year's amps. I had such a blast last year that I want to be back to do it again. You're coming back next year. I'll try and try. I'm saving for next year.

SPEAKER_12 2:17:08

Um, but again, the plane ticket. We got you got the fucking free ride lesson.

SPEAKER_11 2:17:13

That the 19-hour flight to um to get to the east coast of America. Um, it's not the kind of thing I'm gonna do every every year.

SPEAKER_17 2:17:22

Yeah, that's fucking hardcore, man. 19 hours, yeah.

SPEAKER_11 2:17:26

19 hours. Um get there.

SPEAKER_02 2:17:31

It's only another five hours. Let's go.

SPEAKER_17 2:17:34

Does that thing get refueled in the air or does it last 19 hours in the air?

SPEAKER_11 2:17:39

No, that was there was a one hop, there was a one hop journey all the way from Auckland to New York, yeah. And actually travels back in time, too.

SPEAKER_12 2:17:48

Holy shit. Yeah, he went back in time. He actually left and he came back the day before.

SPEAKER_16 2:17:53

Yeah, but that doesn't help the fuel tank. I'm just saying, Andrew Mizy is the man out of now.

SPEAKER_11 2:18:00

Uh yeah, I'm serious, Normo. I hope everyone has a good time at Amps and uh look forward to hearing all the stories and seeing all the photos after. Mr.

SPEAKER_14 2:18:09

Steve Santucci, you cannot make it. Uh, this is a sign off.

SPEAKER_12 2:18:14

Yeah, yeah, well, saying goodbye or something. Oh, all right, yeah. So you're not paying attention.

SPEAKER_14 2:18:19

Uh well, he's getting so many people on tonight. I don't know where we're going. It's taking a half an hour just to sign off. Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_12 2:18:27

Well, just saying our goodbyes are something because we're going to 10 people, asshole. This guy can win a 10 million dollar lottery, and he'd be complaining that he gotta scratch the ticket off.

SPEAKER_04 2:18:41

You know what, Rev, Rev, you you should play in the background, Andre Bocelli. Time to say goodbye in the background and let it go.

SPEAKER_12 2:18:50

Why do you got anxiety, man? These guys never happy for Christ's sake. Fucking say goodbye.

SPEAKER_14 2:18:56

I'll be happy next weekend when I'm in the 18th century, celebrating 250 years. I don't know what. But for everybody going to amps, just watch out. Don't tailgate, don't leave some uh at least 10 cars between you and Riv because it makes him uh less anxiety ridden. And uh just have a blast and don't do anything stupid and uh record it so I get to see it and enjoy it. So for the rest of you, uh build what you love, love what you build.

SPEAKER_12 2:19:23

There you go. All right. Well, Mr. Logan Hanson, what do you have to say?

SPEAKER_03 2:19:26

Uh, I will not be there either, unfortunately. I had to choose between uh IPMS nationals or amps nats this year. I'm hoping to go to uh Camp Hill next year because there's other things in the area I'd like to see as well. But uh, I hope everyone has a great time. I really enjoy seeing pictures from there every year. So uh, if anybody wants to take extra pictures of uh engineering vehicles and U.S. heavy tanks, I will gladly I'll send you a whole bunch of viewing those.

SPEAKER_12 2:19:53

Yeah, so listen, this was fun. We've been recording for about two and a half hours. We just jumped on a bunch of crazy jump on, let's record.

SPEAKER_17 2:20:01

And I think it went well, actually.

SPEAKER_12 2:20:04

I think it went well, and it's and it's supposed to be and listen, this is gonna be fun to listen back to. Hopefully, it's fun for people who are listening to it, and we need to do this again. And it was a lot of fun. And Justin, we miss you. Wish you on tonight, but uh, you know, I gotta think maybe. Do I have time to do like today? Is now Sunday morning at 12 30 a.m. Because we started recording Saturday night. Do I have time to put together an AI intro? I don't know. Let me see if I can do something.

SPEAKER_17 2:20:29

I don't know if how much do we have time to vote right now, though? Who's gonna replace Justin?

SPEAKER_12 2:20:34

Uh, who's gonna okay? Okay, who's gonna replace Justin? You, me, and Frankie.

SPEAKER_17 2:20:40

You made it to the right list and the left list. Who's it gonna be? We got Frankie Clanton, um, we got Frankie Peron. Uh, we got Russ, we got Andrew, and we got Logan.

SPEAKER_12 2:20:53

I don't know, man. None of them impressed me enough to replace Justin, to be honest with you. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_17 2:20:58

Wow.

SPEAKER_16 2:20:58

Oh, oh, this is this is bullshit.

SPEAKER_17 2:21:01

I'm kind of with you.

SPEAKER_02 2:21:02

They all went to the left side. Come on, I need to have all my competition.

SPEAKER_12 2:21:08

You'll all be back on the show. Don't worry, man.

SPEAKER_08 2:21:10

Logan, you guys are gonna be the second string insanity podcast. That's all. Perfect with a practice squad.

SPEAKER_03 2:21:18

Be the the modeling lunacy podcast. How about that? We'll be the knockoff, the team version.

SPEAKER_13 2:21:25

Fuck you. Thanks for having us on, Justin. We rib, thanks for having us on, Justin. We love you, man.

SPEAKER_02 2:21:30

Yes, Justin, we love you. Love you a long time, Justin.

SPEAKER_03 2:21:34

Yeah, hopefully, if I'm on again, it won't be too uh fill in for Justin. Hopefully, he'll be back next time.

SPEAKER_17 2:21:40

Thank you, Smoking Crow, for uh conversation discussion.

SPEAKER_12 2:21:44

Yep, thank you, Smoking Crow, for the topic, then that was given at the time of us recording, so that was like immediate response to that question, which worked out perfect. Make sure to watch modeling and sanity TV for the live cast. We also got some videos on there, always a lot of fun. Um, you can find us on obviously at Apple and Spotify and all that stuff. You can email us at modeling insanity podcast at gmail.com, you know, and on to the next one. So for the modeling and sanity podcast, I'm your host, Rob Riff. I'm with my co-host, Mr. Frankie Danati. Thanks for spending some time with us, Mr. Rob Adams. Have a good evening, everyone. Mr. Steve Santucci.

SPEAKER_13 2:22:24

Love what you build, build what you love.

SPEAKER_12 2:22:25

Our special guest tonight, Mr. Adam Jackson.

SPEAKER_13 2:22:28

Go find someone you love and give them a hug.

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Mr.

SPEAKER_04 2:22:31

Frankie Blanton. Safe travels modelers and all the ships at sea.

SPEAKER_02 2:22:36

Frankie Peron. Have a good night, everyone. Looking forward to seeing you all. Russ Clark. Take it easy, everybody.

SPEAKER_12 2:22:43

Andrew Misi. Thanks very much. And Logan Hanson.

SPEAKER_03 2:22:48

Later, everyone. Thanks for listening.

SPEAKER_12 2:22:50

All right, guys. Thanks for listening. Safe trip for those who are driving to Amps right now. If you're listening or driving back from AMPS, however you're doing it. And make sure to check us out at that Insanity Table at the show. And we will catch you on the