Chilly winter nights and dark comedy - a combo that seems to resonate deep within us, especially as we cozied up to discuss the Coen Brothers' "Fargo" on our latest We Recommend podcast episode. We unearth the nuances of this Midwestern masterpiece. The accents, the snow, and oh, those unforgettable performances! William H. Macy's relentless chase for his role and Frances McDormand's endearing Marge Gunderson take center stage, as we peel back the layers of their portrayals and the fascinating backstory of the characters' lives.
When a film claims to be based on a true story, you expect a certain level of authenticity - but the Coen Brothers' "Fargo" plays fast and loose with the truth, and we're here to sort fact from fiction. Was there really a woodchipper involved? We'll tell you all about it, and we don't stop there. Diving into Jerry Lundegaard's increasingly tangled web of lies and Carl and Gaear's clumsy criminal antics, we examine the brilliant blend of tension and humor that has us clasping our sides with laughter one moment and on the edge of our seats the next. The backdrop of a wintry Minnesota that rivals our own Tennessee chill sets the perfect stage for the unfolding drama.
As the credits roll on our episode, we reflect on the Coen brothers' skillful craft, combining stark reality with their trademark humor and giving us a film that resonates across decades. Frances McDormand's performance shines as a beacon of strength and charm, embodying the spirit of the late '80s Midwest with a grace that's as refreshing as it is powerful. Before we part ways, we tease the excitement brewing for our upcoming chat on a treasured sports movie and invite you, our fellow movie buffs, to delve into the discussion with us. Until next time, remember, it's not just about a little bit of money; it's about the cinematic journey we're all on together.
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Chilly winter nights and dark comedy - a combo that seems to resonate deep within us, especially as we cozied up to discuss the Coen Brothers' "Fargo" on our latest We Recommend podcast episode. We unearth the nuances of this Midwestern masterpiece. The accents, the snow, and oh, those unforgettable performances! William H. Macy's relentless chase for his role and Frances McDormand's endearing Marge Gunderson take center stage, as we peel back the layers of their portrayals and the fascinating backstory of the characters' lives.
When a film claims to be based on a true story, you expect a certain level of authenticity - but the Coen Brothers' "Fargo" plays fast and loose with the truth, and we're here to sort fact from fiction. Was there really a woodchipper involved? We'll tell you all about it, and we don't stop there. Diving into Jerry Lundegaard's increasingly tangled web of lies and Carl and Gaear's clumsy criminal antics, we examine the brilliant blend of tension and humor that has us clasping our sides with laughter one moment and on the edge of our seats the next. The backdrop of a wintry Minnesota that rivals our own Tennessee chill sets the perfect stage for the unfolding drama.
As the credits roll on our episode, we reflect on the Coen brothers' skillful craft, combining stark reality with their trademark humor and giving us a film that resonates across decades. Frances McDormand's performance shines as a beacon of strength and charm, embodying the spirit of the late '80s Midwest with a grace that's as refreshing as it is powerful. Before we part ways, we tease the excitement brewing for our upcoming chat on a treasured sports movie and invite you, our fellow movie buffs, to delve into the discussion with us. Until next time, remember, it's not just about a little bit of money; it's about the cinematic journey we're all on together.
We would love to hear from you! Send us an email and maybe it will be read on the podcast! werecommendmailbag@gmail.com
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Hello and welcome to the we Recommend Podcast, a movie podcast, where every week we recommend a movie for you to watch and then come back here and listen to us discuss. I'm Jesse and I'm Jason, don't you know? I just think I'm gonna barf. Oh well, that passed. Now I'm hungry again. This week, we recommend Fargo.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I've been there, not pregnant, but like barfing, and then you're immediately hungry.
Speaker 1:Oh, really, I thought they were gonna say I was like you've been to Fargo and Mr Kodas, no, that's awesome.
Speaker 2:Wait, is it, though? It's not really Fargo.
Speaker 1:They're in brain or it takes place in like three areas, I don't know. It's all over the place. I think they originally they meet in like Fargo, the beginning, but that's it. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I know it's a little, just a fun name.
Speaker 1:It's a fun name for a movie. So how many times have you seen this movie? When was the first time you watched it Do you like it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's all the long time ago and I didn't. I've never seen it as an adult, so I'm just gonna go from there. Oh, really, okay, as an adult, I loved it. It was great. It was a fun little watch, yeah it's like an hour or 30 something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's great, it's amazing, love it. Love movies like that and the fact that it's really good and hilarious and sad and Very sweet too, also, just like, yes, very, very sweet. It's that mid-western sweetness with, but like there's something behind everybody.
Speaker 2:Everyone's so nice.
Speaker 1:Wow, they're so nice to each other. As soon as they're pushed to a certain limit, it's like I'll do anything to get whatever I need, which is hilarious. And I don't know. I don't really know too many mid-western people really. I mean, I guess we work with some, but they don't act like it, they don't act like this. You know, they definitely got the southern ways down, which is we're all just kind of miserable. We're all super nice to you, but we're also kind of all obviously miserable.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're just fucking cold all the time. I wouldn't be too.
Speaker 1:This is probably one of my favorite movies. It's not my favorite Cohen movie, but actually watching it this time I was like, I don't know, maybe it is, it's really hard. Every time I watch one of the Cohen brothers movies I'm always like, oh no, this one's my favorite.
Speaker 2:And then I'll watch the next one.
Speaker 1:No wait, this one might be my favorite, actually, I think. For me it's between this big Lebowski and no Country for Old Men, probably for my favorites.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's so good. No Country for Old Men. And you remember the one with the aliens, like the goofy alien family and they moved town and like the girl goes to high school. And you know Dan Aykroyd, the Cohen heads.
Speaker 1:Oh, I was like I've seen almost all the Cohen brothers movies, Unless it's in the ones that I haven't seen, which I think is only like two of them. I have no idea.
Speaker 2:They do not seem like alien people.
Speaker 1:To me that's awesome. So this film stars William H Macy, the legend, the guy that always looks so nice in shows, but then by the time you really get to know the guy, he's usually kind of a crappy person in a movie, yeah, and this one he's a huge piece of shit. I know he's just the worst liar. Francis McDormand, one of the best actors, is just actors in general that's ever done it.
Speaker 2:She's awesome.
Speaker 1:She's amazing in this and, like everybody's great, but without her and Steve Buscemi, this movie wouldn't be nearly as good as this.
Speaker 1:And William H Macy. He's great, they're all great. What am I talking about? You got Steve Buscemi he plays Carl. Peter Stormair plays Gere. That's how we're saying it, sorry if it's wrong. Now, kristen Rudd-Rude she's Swedish, I'm assuming, because she plays Jean. And you got Harvey Perez-Nill, who plays Wade, and then whoever the guy that played Norm was that I said I forgot Lynch something. Harold Lynch yeah, hold on, let me get there, let me get there, let me get there. John Carroll Lynch, who, if anybody's as big of a fan of Zodiac as I am which we will do soon, hopefully- it's just a really long movie.
Speaker 1:That's why I haven't done it yet. He plays Norm, probably the best old husband in the whole history of the world. Wouldn't you know? Wouldn't you know? Oh gosh, it's so hard not to watch this movie, and just immediately want to do the accent right. This is like every time they say something. Every time they say yeah, even just sitting alone on our climb or taking notes, I was like oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:It's so good. Something about this movie that I love is just it makes me feel cold. Yes Right, I was watching it and I was like I only have cold coffee. I have to make hot coffee right now, because I am freezing watching this movie. You put some pants on. I was wearing shorts. I wasn't just naked in my house.
Speaker 2:Oh well, it's fine if you are Just naked in my house watching.
Speaker 1:Fargo taking notes for a podcast.
Speaker 2:That's the life I want.
Speaker 1:That's the best of those the life. But it just reminds me I also love, because Tennessee anybody that's listened to this that doesn't live here we just had the craziest snowstorm, which for anybody that lived in Fargo, they just like, oh, this is a Tuesday in September for us, but we had the craziest snowstorm and I couldn't believe how much they were driving on the roads there. I was like, how are they able to handle this? I'm driving home from work on the Monday night when the snow was coming down and there's cars on the side of the road everywhere. It's hilarious for them. They're able to just drive in it, perfect. And then we see that one flip car and I was like, oh, those tires look legit.
Speaker 2:Well, like they're ready for it. Yeah, they're jealous Cities plan for this to happen. Yeah, tennessee's like it may happen, it may not.
Speaker 1:Let's not prepare it all. Let's just make sure we don't have the proper equipment for this.
Speaker 2:I don't know why we're doing this. It's like we're sitting for the southern end of the mountain.
Speaker 1:Local politics Crazy. Just don't come here during the winter. I know everybody wants to, especially from the north, because there's snowbirds. Just go to Florida.
Speaker 2:Yeah, go further south, go for it, just don't go to Tennessee.
Speaker 1:Okay, but also maybe don't go to Florida if they're crazy there. Yeah, can't wait, we're going soon. Yeah, oh, so like in, they're so prepared there in North Dakota, the in scene whenever they're going to get Jerry, like the two cops that they're going to bust in on his room, that snow plow that goes in front that road is blocked. There's supposed to be no cars there, but you know they're serious about clearing the roads. So the snow, I was like I don't care, I'm going and so he just drove by and that's why you see the snow plow and I'm like that's actually perfect.
Speaker 2:That was great.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you would never would have known that it wasn't supposed to be there.
Speaker 2:That car should go. Yeah, we need those things.
Speaker 1:It just, it really just was a happy accident.
Speaker 2:It was a Homer Simpson driving Mr Plow.
Speaker 1:It's crazy plow like crazy taxi, but instead it's plow.
Speaker 2:The plowing service from X.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:It's a different service, though it's a different service.
Speaker 1:So we'll go into a little bit of fact tweets about this. So when no facts, yeah, oh gosh. So when Francis made and if I do it in Northern accents, I have to start with oh gosh.
Speaker 2:You just got to get it out of our system.
Speaker 1:You just have to add, like the two words that just get me into that accent. So when Francis McDormand was performing as the pregnant cop Marge in Fargo, she wore a pregnancy pillow to resemble a baby bump. It was filled with bird seed that weighed out to about the same as a growing fetus. So it's so. Mcdormand didn't have to deliberately try to look pregnant, it just came naturally with the added weight. So in preparation for the role, McDormand worked with a pregnant cop in St Paul. One day during shooting, McDormand left her prosthetic pregnancy suit in her cold trailer overnight. The next morning the silicone breasts were frozen and one of them even popped. Oh, I just I never thought of that. I was like, oh, it's just filled with bird seed, that's awesome.
Speaker 2:I had to wear one of those prosthetic pregnancy belly things for when my wife was pregnant the first time.
Speaker 1:Oh, really she was like. You have to feel this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was like a group class and I put it on and I made a huge. I just kept making jokes about it.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah. She was like I hate that you're wearing this.
Speaker 2:Yes, I can't believe you took over this. I made it not all about you, it's me now.
Speaker 1:It's like, hey, wife, can you get me, can you get me some to eat? I'm just so. I just feel so bloated right now. So William H Macy originally auditioned to play this state trooper in Fargo, after doing two readings, for the role of Jerry Lundergaard. Right, yeah, one one good lungard. That's my bad. I wrote my notes. We're basically came Convinced that he was the perfect choice for the part. The Cohen's didn't see it that way and never got back to Macy but about his audition. Instead they wanted to cast Richard Jenkins, who I love. So Macy flew out to New York where the Cohen's were about to go into production and told them that casting somebody else as Jerry would be a big mistake and they would end up screwing up the whole movie if they did. Oh well, he may have been being hyperbolic, but it landed him the part nice and I think even like threat said something about their dogs, like hey for something to happen to your dog.
Speaker 1:He's just joking, but I think that got him the role cuz. Oh wow, he's kind of being like Jerry right now. And In Fargo Francis McDormand and John Carroll Lynch play the pregnant cop and her husband, norm. Before Fargo went into production, director Joel Cohen asked the two actors to come up with a backstory for the characters between them. They came up with a sweet story about how the characters met. Marge and Norm fell in love while they were working on the police force together and when they got married they decided that one of them should quit. Since Marge was the better officer, norm was the one who quit and took up the Painting as a hobby.
Speaker 2:I was like, oh, so when he was in that office, that wasn't his office, that was just just bringing her lunch.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's just bringing her lunch because he's the sweetest old guy in the world.
Speaker 2:Geez, I know any paint birds for stamps it's like geez Louise.
Speaker 1:It's like could you be any more of a charming husband?
Speaker 2:And it's not just him, like the whole police force. Yeah, are the best I know. I cops even.
Speaker 1:I just love every time that they're they're having lunch or someone walks by and Norm's there, like it immediately starts oh yeah, we got um, we heard about this. Oh hey, norm, I thought you're going ice fishing and it's like on the point here guys. It's just funny, it's just I, you know, I've never been to the Midwest before, but it's like, if this is how it is, like they want to kind of get to business. But oh hey, actually I got, I want to, I want to know what you're doing, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they're interested in your life. Yeah, it's something I don't get a lot around here. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm interested in your life. I promise so. When Fargo went into production during the winter of 1994 and 1995, minnesota Coincidentally went through its sunniest, warmest summer in history. Oh, it's bad for snow. That winter brought the state's lowest record amount of snowfall ever. The whole point of the movie was to feel cold and unforgiving, so this was hardly convenient for the people in charge of composing. Shot Cinema photographer Roger Deakins, like the best ever do it, managed to work around the unexpected, spectally pleasant weather and only one scene in the whole movie was shot on a sunny day. But Deakin still hates that one sunny scene because it distracts from the bleak feeling of the movie. I feel like that was the Part where Jerry's trying to escape marshal the place because it was pretty sunny and I did clock it.
Speaker 1:I was like, oh, it looks it's kind of nice out there.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so um, have you ever heard of this true story before?
Speaker 2:No, and I looked it up and I think it's not. I mean, they just kind of I was hoping he didn't like it up. I didn't. I didn't read much about. I just kind of read the headline, like like the Coen brothers kind of picked a few things out of it. Well, it's.
Speaker 1:It's completely fake, I guess. There's some elements of that woodchipper was like a real thing that happened at some point.
Speaker 1:That's cool. I'm glad that that's the real right. That's just the most insane. How does somebody got put in a possible way To dispose a body? You know what I like. You know I, when I murder or murder someone like crap, I gotta get rid of the evidence. Maybe I should spray it. But Fargo's opening title title card boldly announced that it's based on a true story. Supposedly it took place in 1987. The names have been changed but the events have been left the same. The Coens wrote this story entirely as a work of fiction. But they were so committed to the true story lie that they let everyone on the cast and crew believe that they were making a true crime Thriller wasn't until three weeks into shooting that the brothers revealed that the movie was fictional. The true story Epigraph has been carried over into the FX anthology series inspired by the movie. Do you ever watch the you?
Speaker 2:watch the series. I heard it's good.
Speaker 1:Though the first season is pretty good, we didn't actually end up finishing it because of my weird TV problem.
Speaker 2:But what did it come out like ten years ago? And then they finally picked it back up recently.
Speaker 1:It's been. Man. Oh my god, it is getting pretty close to ten years. Yeah, I think it was like 15 or 16 when the first season came out. That's what four seasons in. Yeah, well, I know the season before this one. I don't think it got the best Like reviews, I'm assuming. So maybe that's why they took a minute, and then I think coke it happened and all that, and then the writer strike Fucking just everything was happening there for a minute.
Speaker 1:Although the film's plot is not based on a true story, the plot element of disposing a body by a woodchipper is that incident was inspired by the true life murder of Haley crafts in Newton, connecticut, who was murdered by her husband, richard crafts, in 1986. Although he disposed of her body using a woodchipper, enough tissue remained to positively identify her as the victim. It's 50 years since it was shortened for good behavior and he has set to be released from prison in 2020. So he's out. So you kill someone and you put them in a woodchipper and they're like you know what? You're a good guy, you got good. You know what? You don't leave this heat up in your you know It'd be better than a woodchipper.
Speaker 2:You know those things that when you go to the dump and they have those things that munch up all the stuff, oh, like the one that's like has like teeth and it and you can throw almost anything in there and grind it up. Yeah, yes, yes, that's what you should have you ever seen Halloween kills?
Speaker 1:Uh-oh, you should watch Halloween kills. Oh, is there one of those you should just watch? Very into the movie.
Speaker 2:Maybe this Halloween I'll be able to check it out.
Speaker 1:We might all be doing cuz I can't watch it before that that's sure it does feel weird If you put on oh it's May, let me put on Halloween. I'm just gonna end up doing the voice. Everyone's well, so hop right in. Yeah, let's do this, so we get a title car. This says the events depicted in this film took place in Minnesota in 1987. Survivors names have changed and the dead happened exactly as it occurred.
Speaker 1:So we open in a frozen landscape we see a car in Frame, but you can barely see it until it gets closer. It's also towing another car. We learned that this took place in Fargo, north Dakota. I don't know I'm doing this. I'm doing a true crime thing now.
Speaker 2:Okay, so that's really met. He met them in yeah, I met them in Fargo, north Dakota brought them the car, brought them the car.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we see Jerry, he walks into the bar, he is meeting Carl and yeah, I'm just, maybe I should just call him Peter store man. Sure, probably be easier because I just feel weird not fully saying it right.
Speaker 1:He's giving them a car as a trade for them kidnapping his wife always goes well so that his wife's father will pay a ransom and Carl and Jerry will split the ransom. Jerry is scared to ask his wife's father for money. They don't know. Jerry is in trouble Because he's just a scummy guy who is desperate for money because money is the root of all evil and he's fucked up his business somehow.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's not even like his business, he's just like a sales, like manager.
Speaker 1:That's it for his father in law. Yeah well, I don't even think it's his father-in-law, I don't even think he works well.
Speaker 2:He said his father-in-law owns the carts.
Speaker 1:Maybe after After we should do. We should do. I think we should do. No pulling down my scene. Okay, so in Minnesota, jerry. Jerry comes home. We meet the wife and father. They have dinner. The wife is Jean, the father is Wade. They have dinners very awkward. Jerry starts bringing up a deal for a parking lot and you need 750,000 for a lot. The father doesn't seem interested. He's like I'm not just gonna give you that money, it's a real shark. You know, I love the idea that this, like this, is all happening just so a guy can buy a parking lot.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that wild put just yeah, it's so weird, it's a business, that's business.
Speaker 1:It's business baby, or if he's even buying the parking lot, and just you know, I think it was the build one, right? Yes, I'm like that. Now we're with Carl and Peter Sormeres character driving. Gary wants pancakes and Carl wants to get laid. He said missed, didn't he say Mr Pancake? I Don't know, maybe I don't know, I can't remember if he said Mr Pancake.
Speaker 2:Are we gonna go see Mr Pancake? I'm like what?
Speaker 1:it must just be his accent. This is our first chance of getting to see how much Gear really does not like Carl at all. He's just like a quiet ticking time bomb, while Carl is just just a guy that won't shut up. And also earlier in the conversation where they're talking about, you know, giving over the car and stuff like that, we learned that the way Jerry got in contact with these people was a guy named Shep, which we'll meet a little later. Shep proud food. Yes, we are with Jerry who's getting yelled at by a customer. Now you said, oh man, gonna be 19-5.
Speaker 2:Fucking buying car like it sucks.
Speaker 1:He's just like the gummiest guy. He just lies. He's car salesman.
Speaker 2:I don't know if I guess is he used car salesman? Seems like it. They are scummy.
Speaker 1:So I won't get a one. I'm just like I'm gonna buy a car. I'm just gonna go to a regular dealership, like I don't know it, just it's just more comfortable. They're just as bad, I feel like. But yeah, they're all bad. Yeah, it's buying cars sucks. That's why all these like oh, buy a car online, be like, hmm, that does sound good. Yeah, I don't have to deal with you, especially since I don't have any sort of negotiating skills, so you're just let us go in there. I'm like I'm just gonna say yes to everything so I can get out of here.
Speaker 2:That's them, they know that and they play exactly.
Speaker 1:But luckily I just get. I got a decent car and it's been running for like 10 years, so let's go, baby. This is car talk. Yeah, so, jerry, he is upselling the guy on a car because he wants, he wants. He's like trying to tell him like, oh, I'm gonna add in the true coat, but what he didn't tell the guys? That the true coat automatically comes with it and it costs a lot of money. Um, he pretend, like the guys, like you. I was like all right, I'll go ask my boss see what we can do on the prize. He goes, he pretends to ask the boss, then when he comes back is oh, I can knock a hundred dollars off of it. I think I have pays it and he's just like I love that he's. You know he's trying to be that nice midwestern or the cut customer. He's like oh gosh, I don't like you, you're a liar. You're a, a fucking liar. Oh my gosh, but the guy pays full price for the car. Just get out my checkbook, you just get tired of hearing it.
Speaker 1:I know. Eventually it's like so I would just like I'm not buying this car, but it seems like the only dealership to you. So I guess the way they made it seem, because later when Marge comes to Jerry it's like is this, did she know to go to Jerry, or was it just I'm going to the only dealership around? Probably, or maybe she went to all of them on her. So Carl and gear stop at a motel to have six, not with each other but with some escorts, and it's really funny because it's you got um Garrett. He's over there like trying to Block her view from them, and then, but then you just have Carl over there just straight up staring at those two and I'm like such a freak. But then we immediately cut to them watching TV sitting there, which is a very it's a very prominent thing in this movie. I feel like so many times we cut to just people watching TV. I don't know if you noticed.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there was a lot of TV watching.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's. It just seems like, I guess, because it's so cold, nobody has anything to do but sit there and watch TV. What are you gonna do? Go outside? Yeah, die, it's probably negative 20 out. We got to Jerry's wife. She's arguing with the son because son got seized and she's like you're not gonna be doing hockey if you don't. That was weird. That's where you accident if you don't get at those grades up or her hair is hilarious.
Speaker 1:Yeah it's like crazy 80s hair. Yeah, the father Wade calls and says that him and Stan a guy who he does business with I guess staying kind of controls Most of Wade's money and that is business says they are interested in the parking lot deal. Jerry goes and finds ship, the guy that set him up with Carl, and Gary, the guy who put Jerry in touch with Gary, who he vouches for, but he doesn't vouch for Carl. He's like I don't know Carl, I don't vouch for him. Jerry's just trying to have the conversation. He's like I don't vouch for that guy. It's over and over. Jerry wants to cancel the deal since he may have the opportunity with the parking lot. Ship doesn't know how to get into contact with them, though, because yeah, you've already said.
Speaker 1:I'm loose.
Speaker 2:Can't stop it. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1:This is another instance where there's this like you know how we did the Big Lebowski, our first episode. Go listen to it. It's rough, but we did it. There's like a lot of repetitive dialogue and it's just the same again even in this. It's just very funny when people just were constantly repeat things. It's great.
Speaker 2:And it kind of like it shows like a lot of frustration.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and also I think that's just something very natural that people do, even in conversations. I feel like we do that a lot, probably, probably. We should just try to remember and see if we do that. So Carl and them make it to Minneapolis. Carl is getting upset because Gare isn't talking in the car. It's like total silence, just smoking a lot.
Speaker 2:And he's like I'm not going to talk.
Speaker 1:I'm just not going to talk. If you don't want to talk, I'm not going to talk. So you like it. And then he just sits there and consistently, you won't shut up. This might be my favorite Steve Buschamy performance. He's so good in this. He is very good. Yeah he's always good, he's great. He's got the craziest face in the world.
Speaker 2:And he's great. He's a good talker. It's crazy, it's wild. I wanted to look up to see if he'd ever been on Sesame Street. God, I don't know.
Speaker 1:They probably got him in there and put him next to Big Bird and was like this isn't going to work.
Speaker 2:Ew, they're both kind of scary looking together Big Bird alone fine.
Speaker 1:Steve Buschamy alone fine. Together it doesn't work Bad combo. So Jerry is getting called from someone who is, I guess, auditing their inventory, and they need the serial numbers from all the cars that he had. He's the person that gave him the loan for new cars yeah. And which I'm assuming is probably why he needs the money to pay him back.
Speaker 2:He says he paid him. But yeah, I'd like to know how he lost so much money. Yeah, I know what happened to it.
Speaker 1:I think he's just Just bad at business, maybe. Yeah, I think he just tries to make deals and lies and just gets them into more lies and more lies and more lies.
Speaker 1:But we learned that he sent the serial numbers of all the cars to him, but he made sure that he did it where it wasn't legible to buy him time. Oh geez, and the guy's getting it. It's like, okay, I'll send it to you, don't worry. It's like, dude, I don't know what you can do, but you got to stop at some point. And then we cut to Jerry's wife, jean, who's watching TV again. There's a lot in the notes where we start off with oh, the scene starts with him watching TV.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's great, and she sees the guy come to the window. She doesn't do anything, she's just like watching.
Speaker 1:Huh, she would not happen in Minneapolis Northern. North Dakota, wherever they're at, yeah, but Jean sees the masked figure looking in the house and break the window which she just waits for him to break in to run away for some reason she almost gets caught but is able to get away by biting Karem.
Speaker 1:She tries to call the police and locks herself in the bathroom, but they rip the cord from the phone out. Too bad, she didn't have a cell phone. Yeah, this is 1987. Yeah, and so it looks like like she escaped through the window. So we think she actually. But we learned because she bit Karem. He is like oh, I need an agent, I need an agent. So he goes in, he goes into their medicine cabinet, closes it, but he knocks everything out, yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, he's a self is not deep. Yeah, it turns out this guy, a guy who puts people in woodchippers.
Speaker 2:Not very good guys.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's just messy, not really thinking about anything. I know eventually they're going to get caught because they're going to fingerprints everywhere. These guys didn't even wear gloves. Yeah, they're bad at being criminals so he gets the ointment, puts it on his hand and it looks in the mirror and sees the shower curtain completely closed this is hilarious and he's like, hmm.
Speaker 1:And then she runs out, I guess attacking him, but completely misses because she can't see with the shower curtain. Then she's just running around, which is the theme for her characters just running around without being able to see.
Speaker 2:It's really funny.
Speaker 1:She just misses and just falls down the stairs and Garrett just goes down there and just looks down at her and is like, okay, well, that was easy.
Speaker 2:It's so good it's so funny.
Speaker 1:Meanwhile, though, jerry Wade and Stan meet up to talk about the parking lot. The thing is with Jean. It's like man if he didn't have to put ointment on, she might have gotten out of there.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, maybe. Yeah Well, they would have realized that she didn't actually run out, run out, maybe.
Speaker 1:Maybe they're just like all right, we got a bail. Now, like this didn't work out, we have to go. It's like, maybe if she just hid somewhere else, like in a closet or something. So Wade and Stan want to know his finder speed, because he went to Wade and Stan the two guys he's going to do the lot with and they're like um, so how much do you want for this? He's like, uh, excuse me, uh, for Pete's sake, what?
Speaker 1:are you talking about Um? They thought he was just bringing the deal to them. But Jerry needs their money, um, and I love. He's like well, I just need the money, I'll pay you back. It's like we're not a bank, jerry. And he said they say that like five times in this scene. It's great Jerry promises that he'll pay them back, um, but they don't care about his word. It's like we don't want your word, we don't care about that. That means nothing, yeah.
Speaker 2:So a lot of money to give you and it's got now thinking about now, like, as you say, this, this is, he's just bad at the business and that's probably why he lost all the money. Yeah, that's what it is.
Speaker 1:He's just, he tries to get. He's he doesn't know what to do.
Speaker 2:I think yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, or how business works, he's just not. He doesn't have that dog in him. You know I guess he's just such a pushover that I mean he can't do deals. He's a very pushy salesman, though, with cars Very pushy. Well, he seems like he'll lie, lie, lie, lie, and then you get him in the crunch time Like well, you already said you would. So I don't know what you're talking about here.
Speaker 1:I'm just going to be as nice as possible till you give in. But so they have this whole argument and Jerry's like no, why are y'all doing this to me Like we're like he just wants to run it himself using their money. Just not how you should have done that. You should have just been like no, let's just take whatever money you can get at this point.
Speaker 2:Yeah, 10% of 720,000. That's not bad.
Speaker 1:Yeah, all right. So, whatever you're doing, but then at the end because Wade is a businessman who we'll learn later is just too abrasive and too thinking he's better than Jerry which if he'd still be alive, if he'd just listen to Jerry, actually for the first time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that kind of sucks.
Speaker 1:But they ask him. It's like hey, do you mind if we do this deal independently, without you? Then yeah, we do, Dang it. Then we get this great shot of the car in the parking lot where there's only like two car tire tracks and the whole thing. The whole parking lot is completely empty. It goes all around.
Speaker 1:It's a little crazy, yeah, and he walks to his car Jerry does and then he gets in his windshield. It's completely covered in ice. He starts scraping it, uh-oh, and then he gets super mad, like God, dang it. He's like throws his scraping tool, but then he's like just goes picks it back up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I gotta have it.
Speaker 1:It's like well it was a fun freak out, but I have to do this, jerry just can't catch a break.
Speaker 2:Can't even kill his wife for money or kidnap her.
Speaker 1:Kidnap her right, poor Jerry. You know what he should have done. It's not even actually poor Jerry, poor anybody that knows Jerry.
Speaker 2:What he should have done is tried to bring in the father-in-law on the deal, kind of like men on fire when they kidnapped the daughter to try to make money disappear so they wouldn't have to pay it in taxes or whatever. Oh gotcha, yeah, mmm, that's a good businessman, we should do that.
Speaker 1:We should do that movie. I've never seen it. If it's a good movie, I don't know. I thought it was really good. Yeah, we'll have to do this. So Jerry comes home. He's walking through his house seeing all the damage, just blank staring looking at everything, and then we hear Jerry. We think he's on the phone talking to the father-in-law, but now he's practicing what to say. But really he's just practicing his speech. And I love this because he does make the call after he feels like he's ready to do the speech. And then he gets like the secretary or whatever, and he's like oh yes, could you just pass me through?
Speaker 1:to Wade please, with no anxiety and voice at all. So we're back to Carl and Gare. They have Jean in the backseat. They're getting, but you know they're starting. She was, I guess, in the trunk, but then they put her in the backseat.
Speaker 2:Probably because it's freezing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's the worst thing you can guess she might freeze it up. She'd probably freeze it up, yeah, I guess. But then of course, classic they get pulled over. Carl says he will take care of this and I mean, if anybody's going to take care of it, it's going to be Carl, right, I guess?
Speaker 2:Smooth talker I'm a smooth talker, I forgot to put on the dealer license plate.
Speaker 1:The cop walks up and asks for their tax. He tries to bribe the cop with a 50. Does not work, because these are just some good ol' wholesome cops. The cop asks them to step out of the car and then Jean starts making a little bit of noise. Dang it, jean, so Gare. He just straight up takes the cops by his shirt like, slams them into the door and then shoots them around the head. I thought he grabbed them by the hair and slammed his head into the door.
Speaker 2:It was something around that, yeah.
Speaker 1:And then he just straight up shoots them in the top of the head and just like blood is. Yeah, that was gross, yes, rough.
Speaker 2:All over Carl. So do you think that this is what cops or stuff when they pull you over? They're probably thinking it's probably a normal traffic stop or it's Gare and Carl.
Speaker 1:Yeah, probably. I think that's why they're always ready right there. Yes, I mean, I guess. I mean I don't know. I'm sure there's probably tons of stories where this has happened to cops. It's like pull somebody over and the next thing you know they immediately get shot. Yeah that's terrible.
Speaker 2:What you should do is, when you get pulled over, yell out the window. I'm not going to kill you. I'm not going to kill you.
Speaker 1:That's when they're like wow.
Speaker 2:I really think I'm going to die. I'm definitely going to call for backup now, definitely not going to kill you Come on over.
Speaker 1:Oh, gosh okay.
Speaker 2:I believe you. I'll leave my gun in the front seat, okay.
Speaker 1:So Carl's tries to Gare, tells him to move the cop off out of the road. But while Carl is doing that, we see a car is coming down the road. Instead of trying to quickly move on, they're just like uh-oh, uh-oh, uh-oh, and as the car pops by you just see the faces in the car like oh my, oh, my gosh.
Speaker 1:So Gare's just like all right, he gets in this driver's seat and chases him and then we see this chase happen and all we see is the red lights, the rear view light or the brake lights from the car in front, and then all of a sudden they disappear. And then Gare rolls up and he sees that the car has flipped upside down. A guy runs out trying to run away, he gets shot. And then he looks in the car and he sees a girl who's just like scared, of course, and breathing, and then he just straight up shoots her and that's the end of that scene. Thank Gare, it's pretty rough. It's a rough scene. Sucks for those kids. Yeah, I think it's like at this point because it's all been kind of silly and crazy and it's like, oh, it's going to be the silly kidnap movie.
Speaker 1:And then it just ends up like oh okay, now these guys really mean business to me.
Speaker 2:You know what the saddest part about that is that dude probably was going to get the second base.
Speaker 1:It seemed like that he might have been able to have sex that night.
Speaker 2:It just seemed like it I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1:There's something I love about Cullen Brothers movies are that they just take these normal people in these movies and put them in insane situation. But what I love about them is they put like the stupidest people. Yes, like usually. I wouldn't say Marge definitely isn't stupid, she's like the smart one. There's always like one smart person in their movie and they usually end up working out for them Like all these dumb people that just keep making dumber and dumber decisions and it just blows on them.
Speaker 2:But I think that's genius about it.
Speaker 1:It's great.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and this human experience is really interesting. But most people are like kind of dumb.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I would say, most people will mess everything up.
Speaker 2:Especially in extreme circumstances.
Speaker 1:Exactly. I would just never in a million years would ever try any of this. So now we're 33 minutes into the film and we finally meet our lead character, marge, and her husband Norm. He's not the lead, but he eats a lead in my heart, I gotta say.
Speaker 2:I hate their decorations. Yeah, it's so 80s.
Speaker 1:I'm not gonna lie Floury and like home.
Speaker 2:Everything in this movie when it came to decorations and everything.
Speaker 1:I'm just like dang we are out of this era.
Speaker 2:Good thing we're not in the 80s anymore.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I feel like it's because it's supposed to be late 80s. It's like this weird mix of oh yeah, like the 90s, transition 80s, like bad 80s staying around and then like kind of like the janky 90s starting to happen. And the decorations are kind of like this is a weird mix of stuff. And plus, everything's just like. We don't care how it looks inside, we just need to make sure we clear our roads in our driveway.
Speaker 2:All that matters.
Speaker 1:So we see Marge. She gets a call, but first we see all these paintings of ducks and stuff and birds. We see Marge, she's a pregnant cop. She got a phone call saying that there's like been a crime happening and she has to get up. It's like super early in the morning, it's not even daylight out, and she's starting to get up at Norm. She's like, oh, it's super early, Norm, you can just stay in bed. He's like no, you need eggs.
Speaker 2:I would have been like okay bye See, that's the difference. Norm best husband ever.
Speaker 1:I just love it because he's calling. All he's saying is like no, you got to eat breakfast, you need some eggs.
Speaker 2:You got to eat something, no Norm just stay down.
Speaker 1:It's like you need to eat some eggs, you need to eat a breakfast. But I love it because he gets up and goes and then she's just sitting there putting her watch on and she just like gives us like really sweet smile, like he's such a good husband oh my God, I don't know. So cute, quit it, norm, making us look bad. And then I love it because then we cut to them eating. She gets out, she is like all right, that's enough for me. And then she goes in her car and you just sit in there eating. She comes in. Yeah, the old brown lady needs a jump Talking about her police car. Brown lady.
Speaker 2:She called it like the brown something, didn't she? What did she call it?
Speaker 1:I don't know but it wasn't brown lady.
Speaker 2:That's funny. No, I think it was, I don't know. Maybe I should have called it, I don't know. I don't know I don't know, I don't know, Maybe I misheard it, maybe it was, I just I love that All right.
Speaker 1:I'm going to look it up after this. Yeah, as soon as I said it, I was like that seems weird. That doesn't seem like Marge, so my bad if that's not it. That's what it was.
Speaker 2:The romper or the something the brown she said brown something, or maybe she said beige. We just settled this.
Speaker 1:We'll settle that Fight to the death. Whoever loses gets put in a wood chipper. So Marge shows up at the crime scene. It's one of the funniest scenes. It's cool. What you got there and this is some coffee and they're walking around talking so nonchalantly and everything, talking about the cold and like oh gosh, triple murder, triple murder. Dang, this is a homicide, huh. She examines the scene and pretty much figures out everything just by looking around.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this is great.
Speaker 1:And then we go to the classic no, I'm no, I just think I'm going to barf, so funny. But yeah, she's able to look at it and she sees, like a, the the guy that ran sees a that he was running obviously not to get shot. She immediately like, oh, these guys must have been chased. And then they crashed. And then he shot the guy out there and then looked inside because the girl had a Gunshot wound in the hand and the head. She's like, oh well, this is immediately a defense woman.
Speaker 1:And just see me. It's like where's the trooper. So they go look at the trooper and there's bodies. She goes to him's like oh well, he looks like a nice enough guy. And so they pretty much are like oh, these are different footprints. She's just noticing everything, it's great.
Speaker 2:And I love that about like cuz in other movies that are more gritty, I guess maybe like oh, look at this asshole, it's completely.
Speaker 1:Finds the good everybody, no matter who it is, even if she thinks they're criminal, a corp sickle. But then so then they're driving away From the scene. Marge learns that the last car he pulled over was a new car. Because he's like, yeah, the license plates were DLR and it's like I don't agree with your police work, don't you think it was a dealership? He's like, oh yeah, he really can't believe you got it all wrong, because even after the scene, like you, before it cuts away, you just see his face like so Jerry meets with Wade and Stan. They're gonna. Wade wants to go to the cops and so does Stan at this point, but Jerry's like no, no, they said, if you go to the cops, they're gonna kill her. And we learned that Jerry says they are asking for a Million dollars instead of the 80 grand that he's gonna pay them. Yeah, guys, um, but the guys think they're just getting 80 grand and they're gonna split it.
Speaker 2:How else is he gonna make any money off this deal?
Speaker 1:exactly. Yeah, so San is agreeing with Jerry. Wade wants to only give half, though, and like any superpiss, he doesn't. Truthfully, I don't know how much he actually cares about his daughter because he is upset that he's giving that million away.
Speaker 2:He wants to. He's trying to make a deal, yeah.
Speaker 1:Stan tells them don't worry, they'll get their money. And it's like how Scotty doing Jerry's like oh crap.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, stop to think about how this might affect my son.
Speaker 1:Jerry talks to Scotty. He calms him as much as he can, and then I love when he closes the door. She's a giant poster for our accordion king.
Speaker 2:Accordion king. I want to see that movie.
Speaker 1:Such a funny little bit. Um, so we are with Carl and, yeah, this.
Speaker 2:Law can play the accordion really well really weird. I just don't understand.
Speaker 1:There are many one who could make?
Speaker 2:who could play an accordion?
Speaker 1:It doesn't make sense to me. It's like I want a piano that sounds bad and I can carry around and also he's like I'm a blackbill and also play accordion. If two things were gonna go together. You're the accordion king anyway, so they're. They're at this like lake house thing. They get Jean out of the car and she just starts running around like a chicken with her head.
Speaker 2:You just got Carl watching and laughing so this remind you of snatch, because didn't the Coen brothers do snatch? No, that was oh right, okay, but there's the guy Richie. Guy Richie, okay, but like the guy Bors, the blade comes out with the hood on his head and he gets. He's like doing this exactly. Yeah, exactly hit by a car.
Speaker 1:Well, guy richie is a big fan of the Coen brothers Kind of everybody is. It's just, they're just kind of the best, okay. So we cut the Marge at the police department. Norm is there with lunch because he's the best Norm we. We also know that Norm's a painter. The guy walks in immediately, talks business. So, hey, norm, how's the painting going? Yeah, I'm checking on them and the car. The officer starts telling Marge about Carl and Gary that there's like these two people staying at the Blue Oaks. Then she goes to this bar to talk to the escorts. They're great. The girls say Carl was smaller and funny, looking like is there anything else? Oh, andy's unsurcumcised. Okay, got a good look at that one, yeah. And then they say Garrett was older and looked like the Marble man. She's like, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:They're all shaking their heads together.
Speaker 1:They say they were going to the Twin Cities and they're like is that used for you? Yeah, though, they're all yeah, oh, yeah. So Carl, we cut to Carl and yeah, they're watching TV and Carl's a smack in the TV. It's kind of a tense scene, yeah, cuz. Yeah, the one guy just yelling, the other guy staring can tell that he's kind of getting annoyed.
Speaker 1:Psychopath, like he liked watching the static, yeah. And then you have Jean who's just like sitting there. You can see her breath kind of coming out of the mask and she's kind of like shaking a little bit. It's like she's terrified. If she would just just stay calm and quiet she might get out of all this, but it's just not gonna work out for either way.
Speaker 2:And they kept the oven open next to her. Yeah, it's for a heat fire hazard.
Speaker 1:There's people During the winter. There's people that I know just that didn't have a well insulated house. Yeah, all they had was like two little heaters and they would open their stove. Yeah, I've heard of people doing that, happened all the time back in the day. So we cut to Marge and Norman bed watching TV. Next morning she gets a call. It's a call from a friend back from school, I guess like from back in the day when they're in school and stuff named Mike. He's like in Minneapolis. He's asking about her. This fucking guy. Yeah, it's a piece of shit. So, jerry, we cut to Jerry selling a car and he gets a call from Carl. Carl says things have changed since blood has been spilled. Now they want the full 80 grand to themselves. Then Jerry gets a call from the guy asking about serial numbers for cars and says if he doesn't get them he will contact the legal team for the that he works with. Jerry starts freaking out Because all the walls are slowly closing in on your lies.
Speaker 2:So compounded yes, because he's bad at this yeah, Marge norm.
Speaker 1:They go to a buffet. You just have Marge grabbing every yeah and you know what most buffets food doesn't look that good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's true, and this is kind of a fancy buffet. Yeah, it looked really nice. It was like everything inside it wasn't all like bench seating, like it's like all probably just like all food that was just hunted in North Dakota too.
Speaker 1:So it's probably all them chickens and wild chickens. It did look and I'm getting hungry, jesus. So another officer comes in with more information on Carl and Gary. They have ships name now and Marge is gonna go there to talk to him and the norm has like this interesting Like look on his face whenever he says, oh yeah, I'm gonna go to Minneapolis, he goes oh yeah, which I'll talk more about that in a second when she meets Mike. So, back with Marge, she checks in at her hotel and makes a call asking me about shit and Also asked like about a place to get lunch. So we see Carl driving around and steals a car's license plate. I love it because she goes to the very top of this parking lot and just starts driving. Every time he gets like the middle of the like Area supposed to drive in the parking lights, car tires to start spinning. Oh, these sucks.
Speaker 2:It has to suck living there a little bit, and this was Kind of when you said that there was kind of a. There's a lot of television watching, there's also a lot of parking lot stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean all revolves around the parking lots. It's so weird, isn't it? So Carl steals a license plate, then he argues with a parking lot booth guy because he comes out. I was like I'm not gonna park here. He's like okay, well, you got to pay the four dollars, you, you came in here. Then he's like super rude to that guy. Well, you have a little bit power. You think there is sheriff, this parking lot terrible guy. So Jerry goes to talk to chef, but chef is talking to Marge. Marge, by being extremely nice, is trying to convince him to give names, and this is where I'm assuming he may have gave Jerry's name. I don't know, it didn't. I couldn't tell because it just kind of immediately cuts to this, to Marge going to Jerry's and I don't know Right if he gave a name or if he didn't. And just Marge is checking out dealerships now, which I'm maybe.
Speaker 2:Then good, but the Isn't it like right after this week she talks to chef, she also she's on the the radio and they're talking about a guy that reported his wife missing. He never did that. No, that's a little.
Speaker 1:That's. That's at the very end. That's at the very end. So she's asking about the Tansy air. Jerry's beating around the bush a little bit. Jerry lies again saying he isn't missing any cars. Jerry looks so nervous, yeah, and it's just like come on, marge, how do you not see right through this? Marge believes them and just like leaves, essentially because at this point she's like oh, why would anybody lie to me? I don't know. You're the cop Exactly. Jerry then tries to call shit but can't get ahold of him. Then we cut to Marge. She's all dolled up and goes to meet Mike, her old fan, friend, not fan. He seems like a fan of hers. Yeah, mike obviously likes her. It's like it's very awkward. He's like squeezing her a little too tight even though she's pregnant. We learned that Mike was married. He tries all of that. He tries to sit next to her.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna put his arm around her.
Speaker 1:She's like no, you just sit over there. Okay. We learned that his wife died of leukemia. Mike just says he always liked Marge. Mike is very radic, though, and he starts breaking down about being so lonely and it's so awkward, is very awkward, and for the longest time I never understood why this scene was in the movie, until like last year or the year before me and Natalie talked about it and she was like Because I was like what's she planning on? Potentially Cheating?
Speaker 2:no, I don't think so. I think she's just got a call from a friend and she was just now reconnected with old friends.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think that's like really all it was and she just wants to like look nice for seeing your old friend. It's just like. It just seems like a very pointless scene, but we'll see, we'll. We'll realize why the scene isn't unimportant later. But a lot, a lot of Cohen brothers have this like one scene when you're like I don't understand why the Cohen's are doing this like yes, you do not understand yet but in people's lives, almost every interaction you have with someone matters a little bit.
Speaker 1:Somehow you never know what web you're getting into. You know by every conversation you have. So we cut to Carl watching a TV show with or no no, that's lovely. Carl's watching a show with an escort. It's like this live show. It's really weird.
Speaker 2:It's really weird that he's he's trying to act like this seems kind of fancy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like a.
Speaker 2:It's like a, really like a. It's like a day he's going on a date. It's like he's I don't know. It's very different from his character, yeah it's so weird.
Speaker 1:He was just trying to live like a certain high life. Yeah, he thinks he's about to have, because he's gonna have 40 minute 40 grand, but it's like okay, dude. You just got 40 grand. That is like a year worth of work for most people.
Speaker 2:Yeah now, yeah, back in the 80s, yeah, yeah, that'd be great. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1:So they watch the show, then we cut to them having sex and it's very funny because he's like, all right, come on, come on. But then we see a hand reach out and take her and like slinger across the room, it turns out it's ship he comes in and it's my turn starts beating the shit out of Carl, and then a neighbor comes in and it's like hey, like starts beating up the neighbors like. Then he goes back to Carl and he starts whipping them tell him to get out of town.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so hard, it's so wild. But then, after he leaves, carl calls Jerry telling him where to meet with the money. Wade leaves, but wait, it's like on the other line of the phone he just immediately leaves with the money. Jerry doesn't know what to do and he just starts getting dressed. I guess they go after him. We see Wade in his car practicing his speech and we see that he has a gun. It's like dude, wait, you might be a tough guy in business, but I don't think this is gonna work out for the whole guy.
Speaker 2:He wants to get his baby back or he just wants to protect his money?
Speaker 1:I think he's just kind of like a no-nonsense guy. That's like I can take care of anything. I have money, I have power. If you want something done, right, do it yourself, but something crazy guy with a gun has more power than most people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because they're crazy Too crazy guys with guns, yes. So Carl is pissed when he sees Wade. Things start getting a little serious and Wade is acting tough and Carl's is like screw it, just straight up, shoots the guy yeah, but while Wade is down, he ends up being able to shoot Carl straight through the face and Carl finishes off.
Speaker 2:I thought he like grazed him a little bit yeah it's kind of just kind of grazes.
Speaker 1:His cheek, yeah, cheeker, jawline. But Carl finishes them off, takes all the money. Jerry's plan has felled miserably. So Jerry shows up to the garage and sees Carl speeding off.
Speaker 2:Jerry sees Wade's dead body and it's you know it's funny that he didn't like immediately turn around like and chase the speeding car away, Because you think he'd recognize that that was the car?
Speaker 1:I don't. He doesn't have the guts. I think he just wanted to see if Wade was alive so he could hide the body, because he's more looking out for himself at this point. I think, yeah, but he wouldn't have known that he would go shot.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I guess I just wanted to check to see where Wade was, see if there's. He's still up there. Maybe I don't know. But he comes home and learns that Stan called, but his kids, like Stan, called twice. He's like kids. Are you gonna call him back? No, I'm going to bed. It's like what. What are you talking about? I'm assuming Wade's just in the trunk. So we see a random officer. This is like a very random scene, just out of nowhere. We see over some random officer that we don't know and talking to some random guy we don't know Smoothing, is this dry way?
Speaker 1:Yes, this guy says that he had a conversation with Carl, a weird-looking guy who was looking for an escort, and Carl pretty much admits to this guy that he killed a guy and that he's staying near a lake. Carl in his big dang mouth, I love, at the end of the scene. Oh, it looks like it's gonna get snow again soon. Hey, yeah, it looks. Looks cold. It was gonna be colder tomorrow oh it's so funny.
Speaker 1:It's like that's how every conversation probably ends. So Carl sees how much money was left and throws out some and leaves the rest in the briefcase because like, oh, I'm just gonna take the, take his cut and just give it to him, but I'm gonna. And then he goes in like berries, berries, some in the snow, and he likes after he buries he looks around like wow, there's no landmarks anywhere near this and just stabs his little I scraper on it. It's like, well, now you need an ice scraper.
Speaker 1:It seems like if you get out of your car for five seconds and walk into building and come back out. It's gonna cover in an ice and also he looks terrible Boy struggling out here. But we see Marge. She's on the phone back at her hotel talking to a friend. Marge learned that everything Mike said was a complete lie. I never even had a wife and the girl he's talking about I guess he was like stalking her and wouldn't leave her alone. Yeah, she's completely fine and alive. Yes, so then?
Speaker 1:we we cut to a quick montage of Marge driving and eating and then she decides to pay Jerry a visit. This is because of Mike. So this is something that I just never really put two and two together, because she's driving around this whole time and you see her face. She's kind of like stone-faced and then, but as the montage is going, she's starting to like Kind of be like wait a second. It's just like well, if Mike can lie to me, maybe Jerry's lying. So this is making her go back to talk to Jerry again. No, it's the whole point of that scene. So if you're someone who's like because I went online, even like I was, just like, what's the point of this scene?
Speaker 2:right with the forward slash. Yeah, yeah, I'm on retic on.
Speaker 1:Well, I think it was. Just there was kind of an article talking about it and I can't remember what website was, but they're saying so this is considered one of the most pointless scenes in movie history. Wow.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:But then they go on explain like all the reasons that it's like a Important for the story. I see, yeah, so she's still asking about the car when she goes to visit Jerry. She keeps pushing and Jerry starts getting really snippy. I'm like you know you don't do that to the cops. Oh, it's inventory, why?
Speaker 1:but she realizes that he's obviously lying. She then wants to talk to the boss. So Jerry starts like, well, what the heck? And I'll do the count myself Right now. So she sits and waits and looking around his office. She then sees that he's just driving off and gives the beautiful delivery of oh Pete's sake, she makes a car, she makes a call telling everybody to look out for Jerry. So we cut to gear, just watching TV and eating classic Carl comes in completely bleeding. But something I do love is that while Gears watching TV, it's this whole Whoa, it's a. It's like classic data, like almost like Jerry Springer, like who's the father?
Speaker 2:Murray or Mori, whatever the yeah, yeah, I thought it was more like the days of our lives, like it kind of seemed like it, but it also seemed like a reality TV thing.
Speaker 1:Well, maybe it was, I can't remember now, but I love when the lady on the TV says I'm pregnant.
Speaker 2:He goes, it was so small, yeah, but he was genuinely like I had no idea.
Speaker 1:So Carl's comes in. He's bleeding. We see Jean face down on the floor with blood on the counter rip. Apparently she started shrieking and he had enough.
Speaker 2:Oh, I thought I didn't know there was blood. I just thought like he knocked her out.
Speaker 1:Well, so, yeah, well, because luckily I paused it, because there's like some stuff I had to type down on my notes and then so there's pause right on that, and I was like, oh, there's blood right there, did you?
Speaker 2:just straight up, kill it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm assuming you just killed her. Carl gives him his cut and keys to his truck because Carl says he's gonna take the car. Gears says no, we split that. And he's. He says someone pays off the other half for it. It's like Carl pay him.
Speaker 2:He just gave him a truck, though.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Well, he gave him a truck base, like everything's gotta be split. Here's the thing. Oh boy, it has nearly a million dollars in that car. Yeah, give him 20,000. You like fair, yeah. And then you get out, you drive off, you're safe. But car freaks out and threatens them like, pulls his coat to the side. It's like do we have a problem? It's showing his gun. So he goes, walk to the car. It says I'm taking the car, sorry. And and then this scene, this shot just rules because it's just kind of like a 10 second shot of Carl walking out to the car and then you just see Come out with an axe and just straight up. It's like anytime. You think like, oh, I know where this is, I know what's gonna happen. Then you just got got taking an axe to the face, I don't know where. It's awesome.
Speaker 2:And his axe is kind of weird too. It's not like a normal wood chopping axe.
Speaker 1:It didn't seem like because it seemed like a comic double bladed like a battle axe. Yeah, it's. It was almost kind of comical when I saw it's like that's a bx, but I guess it's probably something that you need for it's his business probably need both blades or something, I don't know. So marge learns about jerry's kidnapping situation because stan told the cops eventually, I guess, once he wasn't hearing from weight. He's like something happened. Um, and while driving, marge just so happens to pass.
Speaker 1:The car well, I think she knows, because that one cop got told about a lake. And a house by the lake where they're staying. So I think she's just driving through the lake area and Happens to see the tan syrup. Because they're not smart Hiding the car? No, they're not at all, because he should immediately hit the car and then start wood chopping, woodchipping. So she goes to investigate and we hear a loud machine going. She looks around the house and we see a gear Throwing parts of Carl in a woodchipper.
Speaker 2:I just like stick it out in the sock on it wild man.
Speaker 1:God, that's it. It's not. Only is it crazy that you're do you're doing that and spreading evidence everywhere. You're doing it in the snowiest place ever. It's like why you're just like all this white snow covered in complete blood. Blood and mocking yeah, and it's like you have all the blood, like, as you know how it's just shooting like the chunks of them out. So much blood is running down the machine. Oh my god, why can't you do this?
Speaker 2:You can't quite get that leg in there. Yeah, pushing it down with the log, right, edith the chop up.
Speaker 1:We have mars. She kind of walks up and it's like trying to tell them like hey, cops and she can't hear you know.
Speaker 1:Begir's throws a piece of wood at her, she dodges it, he tries to make a run for it and, just like the guy he shot earlier in the film, um, she's able to shoot him almost the same way, but gets him in the leg instead of the back, and then we cut to her, having him in the back of the car, and then we get like this little quote um, so that was Mrs Lungard on the floor in there, eh, and I guess that was your accomplice in the wood chipper and those three people and brainered. And for what? For a little bit of money. There's more to life than a little money, you know? Hell, yeah, mars, don't you know? And here you are and it's a beautiful day. Well, I just don't understand it, love it.
Speaker 1:I know such a classic Cohen brother like little monologue.
Speaker 2:It was just. It was so like Warm. I don't know to hear a say all that because she's like a loving, caring person.
Speaker 1:She doesn't like, she doesn't want like. She seems like she was someone who got in the business to Help, yeah, like she seems like she seems like a legit, like type of cop. She's like I don't want to just give 5 000 Tickets and one day I just want to like help people out and stuff like that. So if you saw her be like, oh, thank god, it's marge.
Speaker 2:Oh, she's gonna help me out here. I want you to do it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and so we see that she hands him off to, like the, I guess, the brainered county police or whatever. And in another county, in north of counta, north of counta, north of coto, we see some cops busting in on Jerry, who's trying to escape. He's very sad and weak he is. Why do you like him? No, no no, no, no he's like ugly crying it's like oh dude, how did you ever figure out it was me? Why did you get yourself in this situation?
Speaker 2:I would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for you and the pesky private cop Right.
Speaker 1:Then we cut to marge norm watching tv. Once again, norm tells marge that he won the painting contest and his painting is gonna be on the 3 cent stamp.
Speaker 2:Well, he didn't win, he got like second place.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I guess this is for all, just to have your paintings on stamps, right, cause someone got the like 10 cent stamp, he got like the 3 cent stamp.
Speaker 2:Somebody got like the 29 cent stamp, but I only got the 3 cent stamp.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she's like no, that's good, that's good, everybody's gotta use that stamp. She's so supportive. She tells norm that they're doing pretty good. You know, norm says, oh, just two more months. And then cause, that's when, two more months to that baby. And it's like yay, happy ending. Baby cop the end so good? Hell, yeah, that was so good. It's like, did it live up to the hype from the last time you watched it?
Speaker 2:You know, I just I noticed a lot of things when I watched it when I was younger. I didn't really I liked it, but it wasn't like it didn't live up to the hype of what I was hearing about it, but now like watching it as an adult it was a lot better, it just crushes, crushes.
Speaker 1:This movie rules. So we're gonna head to our categories. This is where we just. The first category is the good, the bad, the ugly, the fine. This is where we discussed the good of the film, the good, the bad, something bad about the film, the bad, the ugly, which is something I age. Well to find something that did. Age.
Speaker 2:Well what you got, brother so I thought the good was just, it was like the Complete like difference between good and evil, like the gear who's completely fucking evil? People and the cops weirdly are like they're really good. Yeah, people, and so you don't get, you don't get that a lot in, in, in movies usually like it's.
Speaker 1:Some of the cops are like kind of crooked or like yeah, it's all usually in my crime stories there's always like really bad cops, but in this case they're, you know, down the line.
Speaker 2:Yeah, every time I saw a cop I was really happy to see him.
Speaker 1:It's like, oh, thank God to hear, I Will say I mean there's a lot of Like. I know I've passed few times I've gotten pulled over, especially in Tennessee, like I've always had like the nicest cop I'm like yay.
Speaker 2:Thank you, officer, for this.
Speaker 1:College man. I ran into just some of the ski, some buried not very good cops that were just trying to Get me yeah because, there's one that where I just came it was late at night. I just came from hanging out with friends that it's a sports bar, but it's mainly a restaurant and they like to go there after work to get the drunkies and.
Speaker 1:I just went there. I had, like, you know, just went to hang out with them, I had like one beer and then I stayed there after that one beer, like two hours, and I come back and of course, my headlights out. So they pulled me over and me, being Mr Honest Abe here, was like yeah, I just came from I can't remember what it's called, but is important. She's like oh, how much did you have to drink? I was like just a beer. Just shouldn't have said I should just like I just came from this restaurant. Whatever should have just lied. I mean I, she made you like the whole, like test and everything. And I messed up one aspect of it because she was like alright, walk from your car to my cop car and then count to 18. I'm nervous.
Speaker 2:I've never done this.
Speaker 1:So I walked all the way to her car and counted the whole time, because all I heard was count your steps and then turn around and I get to her car. She's like what are you doing? I was like you told me to walk to the cop car and walk back, and she's like no, then I passed everything else, I did it perfectly fine. And she's like no, you're drunk. No, I was like what. I was like no, I'm not, I'm definitely not. But luckily another cuz she didn't have a breathalyzer, which I think was a lie but another cop pulls up. It's like oh, I have a breathalyzer and pass it perfectly.
Speaker 1:I wasn't a drunk, but she didn't give me back my license or Insurance because I just go. She was pissed. She was so upset that like I wasn't drunk and then I was like I'm out and I got to the place that was living there and I was like, ah, she's all my stuff. That sucks ass. They melded it to me but that took like two weeks.
Speaker 2:No, already had all my stuff that's horrible. Hey, did you ever practice saying the alphabet backwards and say case? You ever got asked that question? I can barely do it for it.
Speaker 1:I'm just gonna be screwed. Z yi, x, wt. No, they didn't ask me that question so I was like cool, thank God. All right, so my good Sorry for the tangent, my good where the Cohen brothers they're one of the best directors in the biz the comedy of being in the Midwest and using that very well in this.
Speaker 2:Gene running out in the shower curtain.
Speaker 1:Yes, so funny it was like this shouldn't be funny. Yeah, but it is. I just think the like, the contrast between funny and like sad and serious, and just the brutality of Kind of the film. Yeah, it all shouldn't mix well, but it mixes perfectly. That's really cool. Got anything for the bad? The bad? I don't have anything. No, it's a really also don't have anything for the ugly decor. You know our shit the ugly, I will say the aesthetics of the interior decorating.
Speaker 2:Interior decorating in Fargo.
Speaker 1:North Dakota.
Speaker 2:It's not very good in 1987.
Speaker 1:That would be my ugly too. Did you have anything for the ugly? No, for the fine something I thought. Age will. The Cohen brothers, obviously, but Francis McDormand is just he's great.
Speaker 2:He's great in everything. She's great, oh, she's great. I'm sorry, I was thinking of no, I was thinking of.
Speaker 1:Macy yeah, she's great. She crushes this movie Without her, this as the cop, I don't know it just something. There's something so tough about her, but also so sweet about her. I don't know, and she crushes it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think the fact that she's pregnant too also kind of helps with that, like what. I love about.
Speaker 1:It is like nobody's Focused in on the movie about her pregnancy. You know, like not everybody you assume would be, as she, being a cop, would be like do you want me to do this? Should I do this? I need it here. You just stay, I'll watch and I'll tell you all it. But she's just in there doing it. No one's just like Leaning on her hand, like helping her hand and foot. She's doing the job and everybody's like really cool with it. But I guess because she is the chief of police there, because they to call her chief, but I always love look a strong Female lead.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, it's great. And, for instance, woman is always the best strong female lead. All right, so what's your double feature? The or the next category is double feature, a movie that we Right would be, that we think would be a good watch alongside this movie.
Speaker 2:Well, I was thinking of, instead of, not a movie, but the true detective Series. Yeah, just cuz like this movie got them and got me in the mood for more true crime.
Speaker 1:Stuff. Yeah, I will say, if you do watch true detective, it is not as whimsical as this movie.
Speaker 2:No, not nearly, but the first season is really great way sadder.
Speaker 1:Yes, my movie is actually a, so it's a samurai movie called. A simple plan takes place in this, all this, read it. Three blue crawler acquaintances Come across millions of dollars and lost cash and make a plan to keep they're fine from from the authorities, but it isn't long before complications and mistrust weave their way into the plant. So it's essentially just these regular people find a crash plane in the woods and there's just millions of dollars. Oh and so they want to keep it. But Trouble and see trouble. You know this was. This was directed by Sam Raimi. He's like best friends with the Coen brothers. Oh, and you can feel the inspiration.
Speaker 2:He's the best friends with both of them, or just one, and then the other one.
Speaker 1:Now, there, they all kind of came up together. They like lived together. Hint, sam Raimi, the Coen brothers, francis McDormand, they all just like lived in a house together. Oh, that's all. They're trying to become up-and-coming directors and actors and stuff. Yeah, it starts Bill Paxton, billy Bob Thornton and Bridget Fonda and they're all great in it and it has a bit of a Saturn.
Speaker 2:You know, the movie I was gonna say before was reindeer games. Oh, yeah movie stresses me the fuck out and I.
Speaker 1:I never watched the whole thing. That's with Brad, not Brad. Uh, what's his name? Ben Affleck, right?
Speaker 2:He might be in it. I can't remember all the people that are in it, but Jesus, it's the most stressful movie, yeah.
Speaker 1:I believe that, yes, ben Affleck, charlie's throne. Gary Senease, ashing coutures, in that I don't remember him, and it's Charlie's throne is naked in it.
Speaker 2:I know that much, oh boy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that's our, that's our double feature. Make sure to join us next week, as we will be covering Rocky and celebration of Carl Weathers rip brah, one of the most charismatic and Just great actors you probably know actor slash linebacker yeah something. Yeah, and he's super funny and and Arrested development. Yeah, so good, in that cuz he's trying to teach what's his name. It's one of the the guy that blew himself. The guy always wears the short, the never nude Tobias.
Speaker 2:Tobias.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's like trying to help him become an actor. He's obsessed with eating, though.
Speaker 2:So funny that maybe.
Speaker 1:But, yeah, we're gonna be Going over rocky. It's also one of my favorite movies and it's my favorite sports movies, so it's gonna be great. Hell, yes, join us next Friday for that. Also, if you'd like to leave us an email discussing the movies any of the movies that we covered or just got any questions or any feedback, go to. We recommend mail bag at gmailcom Sorry for my dog there. If you can hear him in the podcast, and if you want to follow us on Facebook X, x, tiktok, wherever or you want to listen to us on another platform, go to our link tree link tree forward slash. We recommend podcast. And Thank you, joey Prostler, for the intro and outro music. You can follow him at X at mr Joey Prostler and that anything else man you want to add brother. That's our ending.
Speaker 2:I can't think of anything.
Speaker 1:Good, well, I've been Jesse, I've adjacent. This is the we recommend podcast. We're doing all this just for a little bit of money. See you next week. Bye you.