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Kill Bill: Vol.1
What if one film could encapsulate the evolution of martial arts cinema and the stylings of a modern auteur? Quentin Tarantino's "Kill Bill, Volume 1" might just be that film. Join us on a cinematic journey as we recount personal connections to martial arts classics, from the gravity-defying feats of Bruce Lee to Jackie Chan's comedic kung fu brilliance. We compare these influences with Tarantino's unique flair, and how they have shaped his iconic filmography, including favorites like "Pulp Fiction" and "Inglourious Basterds."
Our conversation takes a critical look at Tarantino's distinctive filmmaking style, often likened to the levels of a video game, with each scene an evocative homage to different aesthetic influences. We relish in the artistry of the Crazy 88 fight, dissect the narrative power of non-linear storytelling, and ponder the potential for "Kill Bill: Volume 3." Will Tarantino's next project be an original masterpiece or an unexpected venture like an R-rated "Star Trek"?
Finally, we plunge into the cultural tapestry woven within "Kill Bill," exploring the anime influences and the fusion of Chinese, American, and Japanese elements that enrich its narrative. We celebrate Uma Thurman's unforgettable performance and Tarantino's knack for creating memorable, visually striking scenes. Listen in as we explore the film's legacy in action cinema and the masterful storytelling that cements its place as a cult classic within Tarantino's oeuvre.
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Hello and welcome to the we Recommend podcast, a movie podcast where every week, we recommend a movie for you to watch and then come back here and listen to us discuss. I'm Jesse and I'm Jason. It's mercy, compassion and forgiveness. I like not rationality, because this week we recommend Kill Bill, volume 1. I can't do any of this. I have no sense of music in my bones, so this is one you've been wanting to do. Right, you've mentioned it a couple times so what is it about Kill bill, volume one that you love?
Speaker 2:uh, the kung fu aspect like the old stuff, because I used to. I used to own all the bruce lee movies and I just love watching old kung fu movies yeah so whenever I saw this, just like touch me in all the right places.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, I yeah. I used to watch a lot of, I guess, martial arts movie. They weren't specifically kung fu movies. I don't think I've seen that many, it's mainly Jackie Chan and movies and stuff like that that I watch, like what is it? Legend of the Drunken Master, that movie is so funny. Police Story is so funny, so that's, I think that's why I like Jackie Chan as a kid, just because they're also funny. Yeah, hell yeah, it's like not just cool action, but also funny yeah.
Speaker 2:Rush hour.
Speaker 1:Yeah, versus, like some of the what's his name? Bruce Lee movies I think I watched like a couple as a kid but they weren't as funny so I think I'd always drifted more towards Jackie Chan. Not a lot of comedy in those, yeah. And now, like usually when you watch a kung fu movie, it's like the most outrageous stuff ever.
Speaker 2:That's what's great about it. It's just I dropped my ring because I'm fidgeting.
Speaker 1:But where now it's, the kung fu is actually just gun fu. Gun fu, Because it's John Wick just shooting people point blank. And then they're wearing vests that you can't penetrate, so they're just being punched by bullets essentially, which is kind of the most ridiculous thing ever.
Speaker 2:But they're not bullets, they're just little fists, yeah.
Speaker 1:So, in terms of Quentin Tarantino movies, where does this rank for you? Do I need to re-say all of his movies?
Speaker 2:No, no, no, no, I think out of. I think these are definitely my favorite to watch, just because I just I can watch these over and over. And I've seen the other ones and they're like well, most of them, and they're pretty good, like I love watching them, but it's nothing like this movie or the second volume that I just really get into it. I would say this is probably this would probably be my.
Speaker 1:So out of all his movies, I like them all. Don't get me wrong. So whenever I say this is lower on my list, it is not a negative, it is. The guy has nothing but good movies. But I'd say this is probably my third or fourth least favorite of his Like in terms of life. But I mean, I don't know Like, I still love it. I can't say anything negative. It's not like I'm saying anything bad, it's just I don't know, out of all his movies it's maybe not my favorite, sure Out of it, but it still rules. It's funny. I love the sound effects. Yeah, like with the knives, or it's just like you're not cutting anything.
Speaker 2:I love the like the music that they pick, dude the music. The CGI is so good. Yeah, the planes, oh yeah, those are models, those aren't even CGI.
Speaker 1:Oh, really, yeah, I love, I love when she's going to Tokyo and then it's like all the fake buildings and the airplane it looks so good. I'm like hell yeah, because everything's just like vintage, like 70s and 60s and 80s type of inspired by those type of kung fu movies. So that's why Anything that looks goofy it's there on purpose, for a reason.
Speaker 2:But what about the fact that in japan people bleed different? Oh, they just spews out of their bodies mountains.
Speaker 1:When she cuts that guy's head off so crazy, and then I'll cut sophia, sophia, right, yeah, like her arm, and it's just like, and then she's still alive. I'm like, I'm sorry, I don't think you have blood anymore. It's all gone now. I love it so much.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's so over the top, it's, I don't know, it just belongs there, yeah.
Speaker 1:so what would you consider your favorite Quentin Tarantino movie? Like number one with a bullet. Number one with a bullet got pulp. Reservoir Dogs Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, hateful Eight Django, inglourious Bastards, death Proof Goddamn Both. Kill Bills, jackie Brown and I think that's it. Yeah, jackie Brown's kind of like a silent assassin, just because once you watch it you're like, oh man, he hasn't really made something like that.
Speaker 2:I don't know, it might be the Kill Bills, yeah.
Speaker 1:I think mine's probably. It's Inglourious Basterds for me. I have to watch them all over again. Yeah, that one's so good, that one's the best. It's so fun, Like I like Pulp Fiction and it's probably in my top three, but I don't know. There's something special about Ingl Killing them Nazis All doing something special. And it has the best opening of any of his movies.
Speaker 2:And he's got, it's got like the best villain. Yeah, he's so good, I mean, you got Hitler, who's like top villain.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's number one villain with a bullet. Yeah, christoph Waltz, yeah.
Speaker 2:It's special, it's the first movie I saw.
Speaker 1:I yeah, it's special. It's the first movie I saw. I wouldn't know that that actually might not be true, but it's the first movie that he's incredible. This is like wow.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this, and like Django is probably like my. It might be my favorite, but I don't know that and Kill Bill are very close yeah.
Speaker 1:Django is very special and they're, like on IMDb rated very similar. What about Once Upon a Time in Hollywood?
Speaker 2:Have you seen? That I don't know, I don't think I've seen it.
Speaker 1:You haven't, I'll let you borrow it. It might be on something, but that one's also that one's hilarious. It's probably my favorite Leonardo movie because he's so good in it. Leonardo DiCaprio yeah, it's like actually probably the movie he did which I cannot remember. The bear movie. Yeah, the bear movie, when he got raped by a bear. He had a romantic evening with a bear. A bear claws so.
Speaker 2:Tickle, tickle, tickle, tickle, tickle, tickle.
Speaker 1:So we'll hop into a few little facts here. So, according to Quinn Tarantino and Uma Thurman in the DVD commentary, the idea for doing Kill Bill began during the filming of Pulp Fiction, which was nearly 10 years before this movie happened. The two began talking about the kinds of movies that they would like to do, and Quentin said he would like to do a 70s style kung fu flick. Uma came up with the film shot of her beaten up and wearing a wedding gown, so that's why at the end it says Q and U yes.
Speaker 1:Quentin Tarantino and Uma Thurman.
Speaker 2:Oh, so I was looking that, I was trying to find that. I thought maybe it was like a production company and like they had like a I don't like a manga of the bride. Yeah, I was like I don't really want to look this like a read it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what do you think about them bleeping out her name Like at the very beginning?
Speaker 2:I thought it was, it was cool.
Speaker 1:It's like what.
Speaker 2:Because the point, because you see it in the movie, because they're doing their story kind of in reverse, right, yeah, well, actually yeah. It's kind of it's. I can't understand what I'm trying to say, but I liked it because you don't you really don't know shit about this character and, like I kind of like the fact that they bleeped out the name, just because it's a little bit.
Speaker 1:Apparently, even though I'm pretty sure I remember the name, I think it's like Beatrix or something. Beatrice, something like that, right, like Beatrix or something Beatrice, something like that right, you can see it on the passports, oh, like whenever she gets her tickets. Apparently that's what I read in the notes. I was like, oh, I didn't know that yeah, I should have went back and re-looked at it, but I didn't have time. Um what? What would you consider like your favorite part of the movie?
Speaker 2:hmm, probably the the movie, hmm, probably the the whole crazy 88, the crazy 88. Well, after the right when she fights over in Ishii. Because, just like the beautiful, like snow, the, yeah, like the outside area, the, fountain, like constantly feeling it it's like so peaceful. It's just like the perfect place for the final showdown.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's awesome well it's great because it reminds me of Seven Samurai, which is an old Akira Kurosawa movie. It kind of inspired everything.
Speaker 2:Magnificent Seven.
Speaker 1:Star Wars, all of it, oh yeah, and it has a similar thing where it's very silent after like battles and there's just one fountain that just keeps making noise, and I love it. I could go to sleep.
Speaker 2:I know it's just like I don't know it's perfect. I mean, this movie is a video game.
Speaker 1:Yes, that's all it is. It's a video game for a movie. Why hasn't there been one? It's like we have to go to boss, to boss, to boss and, as you see her, she's constantly going through different levels. It her, she's constantly going through different levels. It's like, oh it's, we're in tokyo, it's not snowing. We go into an epic battle, we fight off all these little henchmen, and now we got to do the boss fight. Well, we got to change the scenery. Now we're in this weird snowy back of this lot or back of this restaurant and it's like why is it snowing? Oh, because it looks epic and don't question anything.
Speaker 1:And Quentin Tarantino kind of gets away with that. He's always been able to just put random shit that doesn't make any sense in his movies and we're all just like cool, visually great. But if you had like a new director that just had all these things out of nowhere and it like aesthetically does not mesh well, it would be like I liked it but it just didn't make any sense. But Quentin Tarantino always gets that pass. Yeah Well, I think he cause he created that type of filmmaking.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then he really understands like using that stuff in context, in the right context, can really improve. Like the movie I think or the story at least. Even if it's weird as fuck, it's still like makes sense.
Speaker 1:I mean, I guess if you make what people would consider, because people love Reservoir Dogs, they think it's a masterpiece. Pulp Fiction people think it's a masterpiece. Jackie Brown, his kind of one of his more forgotten movies, people that love it say it's his best movie. Usually I really like it and so technically that's three masterpieces in a row and then you kind of get to do whatever you want. At that point and when you're known for loving all movies and knowing everything about all 70s, 60s, 50s movies, kind of just like, oh, you got to do that because it's a montage or it's an homage to something and it's like, can we give that to like all directors, just let them do whatever they want, even if it doesn't like mentally make any sense in your brain.
Speaker 2:I think it, but it does make sense to people who who get it?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know, yeah, I mean, yeah, that's true. The reason I asked you your favorite scene, I knew it'd probably be the crazy eight Cause I use 450 gallons of blood. Yes and oh, man, my favorite part of the whole movie is when you got a Ren and her like posse behind her and it's just got that one song that's playing and they're just walking down the hallway in slow motion.
Speaker 1:I'm like every movie should have a group of fucking people walking slow motion with a cool song. That's all it should be. Every movie should have it. That's why James Gunn's such a good filmmaker for me because he has that in every movie slow motion, walking in a line, and it's like let's fucking go Like the Entourage. Yeah, it's like his Suicide Squad movie Guardians. They do it like four times in the latest Guardians movie and I'm like works every time. Keep doing it. It's like just an adrenaline rush. Yeah, it's fucking great.
Speaker 1:But speaking of the Crazy 88 fight scene, the black and white photography in the Crazy 88 fight scene is known as an homage to 70s and 80s US television airings of kung fu movies homage to 70s and 80s US television airings of kung fu movies. Black and white, as well as black and red, was used to conceal the shedding of blood from television sensors. Originally, no black and white photographic effects were going to be used and in the Japanese version none are, but the MPAA demanded measures be taken to tone the scene down. Tarantino used the old trick for its intended purpose as well as an homage.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I thought it was cool as fuck. I love it when directors do this type of thing.
Speaker 1:Here's the thing with me the blood is paint. It just looks like bright red paint. I'm like, just show it, I don't care.
Speaker 2:But I do. But I also like the idea of when she kind of switches into kill mode, yeah, the movie you. When she kind of switches into like kill mode, yeah, it just completely, the movie completely changes a little like with the black and white and, yeah, as soon as it pops that eye out, it's like too graphic.
Speaker 1:Yeah, time to stop, yeah because it was right. When she because, yeah, yeah, that's interesting, she goes for the eye and soon as she pulls it back, it goes black and white. That's fucking cool yeah, because it's like that's when it's like there will be blood. Now there will be a lot of it, yeah, which is great. And then it cuts back to, you know, just regular vision color or whatever, and there's this blood, blood everywhere. It's all bright red, so it doesn't even look real, but it's great and it, stylistically, is amazing.
Speaker 2:Everyone on the ground is just like.
Speaker 1:I just want to say a big shout out to my boy, charlie Brown.
Speaker 2:Yeah, charlie Brown, john he got out of there he got out of there, thank God.
Speaker 1:And then, after it goes back and she's done fighting the female manager of the place, I guess.
Speaker 2:She's like.
Speaker 1:I'm like, why were you even still there, lady? Just run away this way to the fights over at least, and then come back in Great.
Speaker 2:It's like her livelihood, yeah, and that's the way it is. And like all those old like Kung Fu stories, he's just like the manager comes in. It's like what the fuck? Why, why.
Speaker 1:Love it, so much fun. So RZA was originally brought in by Quentin Tarantino to help him find sound effects and music from Kung Fu movie films to use in his film, because Tarantino felt RZA's knowledge of the genre matched his own. Rza has a large library of sound effects and music from Kung Fu films which he utilizes when producing the Wu-Tang Clan, which he used to help Tarantino find the right sounds. Hell yeah, the collaboration was eventually evolved into RZA creating some original music for the film.
Speaker 2:You think your Wu-Tang style can defeat me?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, it's like very special. Like the sound, I feel like it's the best of all of them. Have you ever watched the um, the man with the iron fist? I believe he produced it or directed it. Yeah, it's not that great.
Speaker 2:It's not that great, but it is cool whenever it's so fun he activates the iron fist and punches out like the engine block of a car.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is great. I remember I went to see it and I wanted to see it and it was my buddy, richard, and our other friend, ben, that we lived with at the time. They wanted to see Wreck-It Ralph, but I was like folk cartoons, let's go watch some kung fu. And it turns out Wreck-It Ralph was amazing. My movie was considered mediocre but I still enjoyed it. That's all about it Sometimes I just want to watch a great action film.
Speaker 1:Sometimes, you just got to wreck it. But then it was three, four, five years ago. I watched Wreck-It Ralph for the first time and I was like, oh my God, this movie is beautiful and I love it and I cried at the end. Kind of makes you cry, because when he's like jumping up to see her video game and she's doing good. It's just like as soon as that happened, like tears streaming down my face.
Speaker 2:I'm like no, I'm hurting and loving inside, all right. So I love when he went to the villain like therapy session, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So I love the when he went to the the villain like therapy session. Yeah, yeah, so good. Zombie got Bowser and all them satin or sateen, they got, they got to have a third one of those. So now that we've somehow got to wreck it Ralph through.
Speaker 1:So many drafts of the early shooting script included an entire sequence where the bride would have awoken from her coma, left the hospital, driven out to the vast, vastly empty panhandle area of Texas. There she would have gathered various passports, weapons and money that she had already hidden away before she was attacked by Bill at her wedding. Tarantino has said in an interview with Brett Easton Ellis that the original intention of this scene would have both revealed how the bride afforded her gear and travel around the world after being in a coma four years, but, more in depth, would have explained that she had a personal belief in fate before she started on her journey for revenge. Quentin Tarantino elaborated that the bride would have hidden her stash under an ordinary rock that simply had an X marked beneath it and that if she didn't see it, that if it was somehow missing or had been scrubbed away since she first buried her wares, that she would have taken it as a sign that her revenge should not happen, and she would have dropped the entire idea right then and there.
Speaker 2:But she found the x obviously I don't know if she would have dropped it.
Speaker 1:I mean, I guess it makes sense that she has.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if that was like a part of the movie.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I feel like that could have been a little confusing but she would have never have not found it because you know we have to have two movies happen.
Speaker 1:Yeah she's gotta find it yeah, and speaking of like it being a volume one and two, it was originally supposed to be one movie but, like during production um tarantino and wine scene, they're like this has got to be two movies. It's gonna be too long. Yeah, obviously it would have been like a four to five hour long movie, because this one's two hours, it'd been like four and a half hours long. Yeah, I mean, that's what every movie is now.
Speaker 2:So I mean just well, I like, I like the idea of you breaking up instead of having, because she's got like a list of five people that she's got to kill. Yeah, there's four, and then there's Bill, yeah. So, yeah, I think breaking those up and into two movies was a good idea. Yeah, because then you can get more into like why she wants to kill Bill.
Speaker 1:But also, you kind of have to watch Kill Bill Volume 2 soon after. I feel like. You kind of have to watch Kill Bill Volume 2 soon after, I feel like, because, if I have any issue with it, I feel like this movie feels disjointed. I don't know, it's just not. It's not the full story, yeah, and it's just like I don't know anything really I don't know anything about our villain, our hero. We just know she's determined, she, and she's mad.
Speaker 2:So do you think that is? You know, in the the part where it's talking about oren's story, origin story in the animation anime yeah the guy that is there's a, the guy that kills her dad yeah, the crazy is that bill.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's bill that's supposed to be bill, because he got the ring, yeah, this finger, yeah, yeah, that's supposed to be bill.
Speaker 2:I was terrifying version of bill.
Speaker 1:It's great. I want to see that like Bill's carnage, because it is. It's all talk and you know you have the samurai sword. Creator Hattori.
Speaker 2:Hanzo.
Speaker 1:I needed to re-hear it before I say it. Hattori Hanzo, you know like you have this whole dramatic thing where it's like, yes, I have to build the sword now because I created Bill. Where it's like, yes, I have to build the sword now because I created Bill, and it's like what the fuck has Bill done? He's done a lot of bad shit. Barely, is he that bad? It seems like there's a lot of really bad people in the world. He doesn't seem extraordinarily more bad. It just seems like he just beat up a pregnant woman at her wedding. That's true. It is not very well apparently.
Speaker 2:Must have missed the major brain parts, missed all the brain parts.
Speaker 1:What was I talking about? I don't remember.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:He's just like. I can't wait to see more. Do you prefer one or two?
Speaker 2:Probably one, just because I haven't seen two that many times.
Speaker 1:It seems like that's kind of how people when they talk about the movies they're like oh yeah, love one. It's like what about two? I've only really seen it like once or twice. That's kind of.
Speaker 2:I didn't think it was as good. I think there was. There was too much. People don't like the ending. Yeah, the ending was a little lame. I love that. I thought it was cool as hell. I love that part. I don't know. I feel like if this is going to, be the final showdown.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think the crazy 88s. I think when you think of Kill Bill, you always think of Pussy Wagon. That part. And then you think of the crazy 88s. And then the very fight at the very beginning with Vivica A Fox which is great.
Speaker 2:It's all fun.
Speaker 1:But then, like when I was watching kill bill one, I was like, oh, yeah, I can't wait to see bud. And then you got that, I thing, with Ellie driver, ellie driver, yeah. And then you just have like the hour long conversation with bill at the end that I love with the daughter, yeah, so with Bill at the end that I love with the daughter, yeah, so I kind of think I like, and then you have the guy yeah, the five finger in the coffin.
Speaker 1:Yes, I think I might like volume two better. Actually, it's so good.
Speaker 2:It's so cool and I love like the training montage with her and her that one dude yeah beard yeah, he's constantly touching it, such a good character yeah and it's very reminiscent of all those 70s kung fu movies. I don't know. That's what I fucking love about it yeah, man, yeah, just the whole cause.
Speaker 1:It like the film grain like ups and it starts looking more like a 70s kung fu movie, which I wonder if he had that in mind before finishing the whole movie. Or if, whenever he started doing the black and white for kill bill volume one, if he was like, well, since I'm already kind of doing like a different look, maybe I can just do whatever I want in volume two.
Speaker 2:I'd love to know. I think he did. I think he he did have that in mind and he probably had a lot more in mind, because he starts the movie right off with that whole like 70s like title screen, yeah, which is fucking great. With all the big bubble letters and the colors.
Speaker 1:He does that in like all his movies now. So good, yeah, he's definitely as soon as that popped up turning out, he's like oh yeah, we get it, quentin.
Speaker 2:You like old movies? You have it. I like pieces of old movies and I think he takes the pieces that are more enjoyable and adds them.
Speaker 1:And you know, I think that's ultimately why everybody loves Quentin Tarantino, because he makes movies that are reminiscent of old movies that no one talks about.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it makes you feel like a kid Movies that we watch.
Speaker 1:We don't remember the names of they're just kind of random movies that were on TV or we rented of movies that were on TV or we rented, and it's like I have no idea what the name of some of these movies I used to watch back in the day that are just like mediocre but also kind of great in their own way, just lost movies that he knows that he has an entire psychopedia in his head. So before we get into the whole movie, I want to ask you something Do you want his last movie? Because apparently his next movie is supposed to be his last one. What? Yeah, he only wants to do 10 movies because he's scared of making a bad one after Death Proof. He doesn't want to have a bad mark on it.
Speaker 2:I've never saw.
Speaker 1:Death Proof it's fun. I've seen pieces of it. Most people consider it his worst, but I still think it's fun. It it's fun. It's got kurt russell zoe bell. Umathermas um chick has a gun for a leg. Oh, that's, that's um.
Speaker 2:That's kill proof right, no, no, that's death, that's uh planet terror, planet terror. But weren't they in the same kind of movie?
Speaker 1:uh, they were a double feature in grindhouse. That was um rodriguez. I'm complete. Uh, I'm completely blinking on his name, but whatever, do you want his last movie to be Kill Bill, volume 3? Well, there's no more story to Kill Bill. The idea that everybody wants is the girl at the very beginning, the daughter of Vivian I don't want it.
Speaker 2:No, I don't think that'll be a good story, because then, by the time that little girl grows up, emma Thurman is going to be like sundowning.
Speaker 1:It's not going to be like awesome fight, yeah, unless they join forces. Well, I guess she could be in her 40s umatherma, and then the little girl would be in her 20s. I guess so I don't, I don't really, I don't want that no, I don't feel like that's.
Speaker 2:I think the story's over.
Speaker 1:I don't want to have to unless he makes a volume one and two of that one, and then maybe that might be interesting. I don't know.
Speaker 2:I'd be. I'd be interested to see where it will go, Like I would watch it probably.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we all would.
Speaker 2:And we'd probably all love it, but I don't know.
Speaker 1:I guess I want something original, or him to do a Star Trek thing. Yeah, cause he wants to do an R-rated Star Trek. What?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah he loves Star Trek.
Speaker 1:There's so much I mean the beginning of this movie starts with a Klingon quote. Really, isn't it like the peace thing, revenge is a dish best served cold, and it says an old Klingon proverb or something.
Speaker 2:Oh, I didn't see that part. I mean I saw the quote, but I just I mean you haven't heard that quote for so long.
Speaker 1:And then they make a reference to another Star Trek thing in them in the movie at one point. He loves Star Trek.
Speaker 2:That's cool. I would love to see that shit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and he wanted to do it because he loves Chris Pine and he's Star Trek. He kicked ass in Star Trek. So, and I don't know, just fucking do it, make 11 movies.
Speaker 2:Yeah, make all the movies die.
Speaker 1:Can we like lock him up in a cell and force him?
Speaker 1:well, he wants to do like he wants to write more books and do plays and stuff and it's like, oh, fuck yourself, yeah, I'm not gonna be able to see the play, so why would I don't do plays? Why are you trying to be all highbrow? Yeah, it's like if you're not having fun making movies and I'd understand that, but like you seem to still really love doing movies and you love going on podcasts and talking a lot about movies, he he does. Maybe we should get him on here. He won't do ours. He mainly does like the Ringer podcast, like rewatchables and stuff like that, and I think he has one on the big picture. He does like a movie draft. He is a lot to listen to.
Speaker 2:Is he kind of like listening to Elon Musk talk about anything?
Speaker 1:Yeah, except he talks really fast and he's sometimes like listening to Elon Musk talk about anything yeah, except he talks really fast. And he's sometimes like because he's on the rewatchables, because I listen to him do it the Unstoppable. After we did our podcast, he was on there and he did a rewatchable with Unstoppable oh nice, and like they were trying to do all their categories like nitpicks and stuff, and he was just like what are we nitpicking for? Eventually, bill Simmons is like that's the category, that's what we do. Is this supposed to be fun? I don't know. Well, anyways, let's do it, let's hop in to kill Bill baby. So the movie starts. Before the credits, we learn that the film is about the deadly Viper assassination squad, which has five members. Hell yeah, what a cool name. I love that they call it assassination squad and it's all like most of the assassin squad Assassin squad sounds so much better, but I love that it's assassination squad.
Speaker 1:A quotation gives the flavor. Revenge is a best dish, best served cold, and I cannot apparently say it today. Cold, and I cannot apparently say it today. And a monochrome. A gasping blood covered bride, played by Uma Thurman, looks up from a chapel floor, a hand wipes her face using a handkerchief, with the name Bill in the corner, while a male voice explains that what he is about to do is not a sadistic act but a masochistic act. So what do you think about David Carradine? Do you know much about him? Not a lot. He definitely did a lot of like old movies back in the day. I, uh, I think he's in. Uh, shit, what's it? What is it called? Indian mortal combat?
Speaker 1:oh god the first one is he sheng tsung well, I think, isn't he the guy with the hat? Hold on the hat guy david carity hold on, I'm trying to find it.
Speaker 1:Damn, he's in a billion fucking movies, dude, jesus christ, I'm just now in the 90s. Okay, never mind. Well, he's in a bunch of action movies, kung fu movies, and I've seen so many of them and I'm looking at all the names of it. I'm just like I don't remember any of these. But why do I know him so well? I think his voice is cool. Yeah, he's got such a dope voice and maybe it's just. I just mainly remember him from this. I don't know.
Speaker 2:He kind of makes it makes a really great villain. Yeah, Kind of has like a sense of honor in a little bit in some way yeah. I don't know, I just thought it was a very interesting character, he seems like a psychopath, but other than just we see him killing, shooting.
Speaker 1:You know, a woman on her wedding day with a baby, pregnant woman, otherwise he doesn't seem like too bad of a guy. So far you know other than that one instance, but he's always kind of so far, it's always been we don't see him kill sophie at the end. We see him not saying, saying like we're not gonna kill her while she's sleeping, she's gonna have a fighting chance at least, yeah, so it's like I don't know he's.
Speaker 2:He's kind of terrifying in the way way that he's convinced these women that he loves them. He's kind of like a cult leader, almost.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's obviously why Ellie Driver hates Uma Thurman's character. Yeah, because she loves him, and obviously Uma Thurman is the one that's closer with him.
Speaker 2:Because he was banging all of them? Yeah, probably. Maybe, even Bill, even Bud or Bud, so just.
Speaker 1:Probably even Bill, even Bud. So just before he shoots her in the head, the bride tells Bill that the baby she carries is his. A gunshot is heard and the open credits begin, backed by the song Bang Bang yeah.
Speaker 2:Man. The music Shut me down, Bang.
Speaker 1:Bang Music. I can't wait to do my Instagram story on this. I'm going to make like seven different stories because there's so many fucking good songs in this, and then we go to chapter one, number two Love it Hilarious. I like when people do things that make you confused when you read them. We're in Pasadena. The bride draws up in a yellow and red pickup outside a suburban home and strolls to the front door.
Speaker 1:I gotta love it when she opens the door and just punches her in the face yeah, punches her right in the face yeah, Should have brought a gun been over way sooner. As she rings the doorbell, a flashback shows the bride crashing to the floor and looking up to see a face of one of her attackers Vernetta Green.
Speaker 2:I love when they're all looking down at her and they're all just trying to stand still. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I know Michael Michael Marsden right, hold on Michael Madsen. I love it because he's got like. His eyes are constantly like darting back and forth or shifting the whole time Like he's probably on drugs. But so she opens the door and the fight begins. A savage fight follows. They got their knives. Every time they jump it's like, yeah, hell, yeah. I love like the crashing through, breaking all this, breaking everything, it's great. I love fights when they're just destroy a room. That's why, like in a lot of fights now, especially big fights, they're always like an open field or something.
Speaker 2:You can't really break any plates or nothing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, or even like all the Marvel movies, they take place in empty rooms and things. It's like fuck that, I want to see things break baby.
Speaker 2:I want to see Hulk destroy a city block. Give me destruction.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, and that's what I really like about this fight. Also, she could have just opened the door and used a gun and shot her, but that's not as cool. Not as cool this is rad.
Speaker 2:That version is not rad.
Speaker 1:She's a knife girl, if we nitpick, why didn't you just open?
Speaker 2:the door and shoot her.
Speaker 1:I don't think she likes using guns. Yeah, she definitely doesn't. Well, it's Kung Fu. Maybe they don't want.
Speaker 2:Yeah but every time only like the evil.
Speaker 1:People use guns yeah, they're bad but throughout this whole movie I was like man. They could really easily kill her with guns. If you have all the entire gang come in with guns and just start shooting, it'd be over.
Speaker 2:Or if they all stabbed at once it's like kind of all like they shot her and her fucking whole family with guns. Like a new family seemed to work pretty easily for that way, yeah, so worked for them, yeah, so.
Speaker 1:But then, after this epic battle, all of a sudden we see a school bus pull up and a little girl getting out and coming in. That was so cute and they both completely stopped fighting and they're just like your damn dog got out and did all this and he's just like did all this. Did Y'all too. Y'all are covered in blood and kid's like can I go watch TV in my room? It's like, man kid, you got to figure out when you should call the cops or not, it's just four.
Speaker 1:I don't care, you got to figure this out, man. You should know. When, even at four, so many people are covered in blood and there's glass everywhere and everything's destroyed, it's like I don't think my dog did this. This does not seem like my dog, um, but the child's name is nikki. So they pause and then they decide like oh, and then there's like the whole conversation. The bride mentions, when she asks like how old she is, she says four. The bride mentions that she used to have a child who had been the same age as nikki, and then the vernetta sends the girl to her room. This point vernetta, is introduced as a member of the deadly vipers, codenamed Copperhead. I love that. They all, they all have snake names.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's fun.
Speaker 1:And I love this. They're going. She's like, do you want coffee? And as they're walking through the house, it's the overhead shot where it's just like you know there is no roof. It's great. They do that in John Wick 4 and it's like my favorite thing in.
Speaker 2:John Wick 4.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've never seen Pest 1. Oh, you haven't. No, I think I own all of them if you want to borrow them, or they're all on Peacock, I believe. Oh, hell, yeah, but yeah, you should. Man, like John Wick 4, there's a gun that shoots flames. Yeah, this shotgun that shoots flames. It's very video gamey. It's like that one game Miami Hotline, yeah, hotline Miami, yeah, it kind of reminds me of that. It's insane. We also learn the bride is a member of the same thing. Her name is Black Mama, vivica A Fox or.
Speaker 2:Renetta hey, it says that she should be the Black Mama, obviously, because I'm black.
Speaker 1:The bride makes clear that she is here for revenge and promises not to kill Vernita. In front of her child, vernita is constantly saying bitch, it's great, it's like what do I have everything. It's definitely reminiscent of like the old exploitation films and stuff when they all said bitch all the time. And this is where she says it's like she's rational, it's mercy and compassion and forgiveness. She lacks not rationality, right, because she's like no matter what, I'm going to kill you. Yeah, I just won't do it in front of your daughter. Yeah, that's a small courtesy. Yeah, vernetta says she understands why she wants to get. Even Brad says she would have to kill her daughter and husband to be even Stevens and square.
Speaker 2:And she does the Pulp Fiction well, sort of. You know how she did the square? Yeah, just without the lines.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's definitely a reference there, obviously, and Vernita says she's changed, but the bride doesn't care, they plan to fight later at a local baseball field that she coaches, dressed in all black. They all want to be dressed in black and knives only, hell yeah. But while Renita is preparing cereal for her child, she fires a concealed gun at the bride. She misses the bride, kills her with a thrown knife.
Speaker 2:That was badass. Did you see the name of the cereal? It was Kaboom Cereal.
Speaker 1:Really, that's awesome. That's why his movies are so good little details like that are so good man, you got one shot.
Speaker 2:You gotta gotta make it count, maybe that's why umatherma was like I can't use guns, I might miss well, yeah, it's hard to aim a gun that's inside of a cereal box. That's true, I imagine I struggle aiming it whenever I'm in a gun range, really trying to aim it yeah, not really, I'm not too'm not too bad at it, I just have to sit when I pee. You know I can't aim.
Speaker 1:Well, for guys, it's just like you never know what's going to happen. Yeah, Unless you're at a urinal, it's just better to sit down at this point. It's like whoa. It's like do that, it makes no sense why it went that direction.
Speaker 2:Sorry, yeah, I kind of mainly to sit down and pee too, so that's cool.
Speaker 1:So the child walks in though a witness to her mother's death. The bride apologizes but explains that her mother had it coming to her. She tells nikki that if when she grows up she can't get past the killing, she should come find the bride. She says I'll be waiting, dang. Yeah, I really love that little monologue to her. It's like very small, but it's just. Uma Thurman plays it off. The kids are doing the best she can at not having an expression. She crushes it.
Speaker 2:I love the fact that she's just like this is all about revenge. This is not about anything else, like if you want revenge, that's cool as hell.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Come find me. And you know what I'm sorry little girl, Totally warranted. I mean damn. I think I would probably just be like, all right, I'm going to try to find these people, Kill them all they killed, like my wife and her unborn son, and then, like everybody else around, I'd be like man, you know what? I ain't got a life now.
Speaker 2:Let me go to revenge.
Speaker 1:And I mean obviously not because I don't have these- abilities, but and I couldn't ever do something like that. I would cry. All you need is a montage. Yeah. So she returns to the pickup, which has the words pussy wagon on the back. She crosses. Vernita's name, the worst fucking truck I know Apparently so he's for to promote volume two. Quentin Tarantino just drove it around. He owns the truck. What, yeah, he just drove it around.
Speaker 1:he owns the truck, he just drove it around to promote it and he also let Missy Elliot use it in one of her videos and Lady Gaga uses it in one of her music videos. Oh, that's awesome. So she crosses Vernita's name from a list headed Death List 5 terrible name she's just constantly making new lists of the same names over and over.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, because it gets crazy.
Speaker 1:It gets so confusing? Well, because you know, Quentin Tarantino's got to do is like flashbacks, flash forwards of all this, and so I feel like we're constantly seeing the list and it's like completely different every time, and it's like where are we at?
Speaker 2:It's like the all work and no play. Make Jack a dull boy.
Speaker 1:But the all working no plate, like Jack a dull boy. But the list also like helps you keep the timeline, like where you're at in the timeline, because you see you're creating it, you see you're marking off number two and then earlier, later, you see you're marking off one. So it kind of helps you keep place in the timeline. I feel like, yeah, that's interesting. And then we cut to chapter two the blood spattered bride. Four years earlier in El Paso wedding chapel. Police are investigating a mass murderer, the sheriff Michael Parks.
Speaker 2:Great Badass shot of him with the aviators on his dash. Yeah, pulling up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and he's just got such a good voice. It's like damn, that boy smoked. Hello, son Number one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's so great.
Speaker 1:Oh, so good. So he drives up and is told that there have been an execution-style massacre, leaving nine bodies, including the bride, the groom, the preacher and his wife, the guest and even the piano player.
Speaker 2:The colored guy that plays the organ.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're like damn, how could they do that? It's Texas.
Speaker 2:No wait, is it?
Speaker 1:It is yeah so the sheriff strolls around commenting on the massacre, stops near the bride and remarks on how good looking she was such a I love that she just spits out yeah, it's like an involuntary thing I know, but it's like involuntary, because this creep, yeah, is standing over my body.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly so he immediately recognizes the name she was using, arlene Machiavelli as an alias. As she kneels to look more closely at her, she suddenly spits in his face Unintentionally I'm assuming. We see her rush to a hospital where she lies in a deep coma, and then we get the like. A smartly dressed blonde woman walks through the hospital whistling the tune. It's apparently a theme song from a 1968 british thriller called twisted nerve. Oh shit, but I love the song because just out in the world you'll randomly hear people whistling it. Yeah, and it's funny because none of them probably ever saw twisted nerve they just know from kill bill that's all I've ever known it from.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I mean, it even happens to me Sometimes I'll just be at work and I'll start whistling and I'm like man, I should watch Kill Bill.
Speaker 2:I love how completely inconspicuous she is.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's just one of those hospitals where there's never anybody around.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you don't think anyone would notice this person they've never seen before With an eye patch? Yeah, with a really weird uniform on. Yeah, it's completely different. Yeah, with a really weird uniform on yeah, that's completely different. Yeah, especially when she turns into the nurse.
Speaker 1:Now it's like what she got a red cross for an eye patch. That's pretty cool, fatass. So we see her. So yeah, we see the woman. She finds a changing room and emerges dressed as a nurse, with a red cross patch over one eye and carrying a tray with a syringe. A title identifies her as Ellie Driver, played by Daryl Hannah, california Mountain Snake Of the deadly vipers, codenamed California Mountain Snake, she stands over the.
Speaker 2:So do you think they're ranked by snake names based on lethality? I don't know, Because I feel like Black Mamba's probably I feel like Black Mama is probably the most lethal. I was kind of hoping.
Speaker 1:I'd find something that just explains why they named them all this, but I didn't see any research that I did.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it doesn't make a lot of sense, yeah.
Speaker 1:I wish, I don't know. I think they're just like what's some cool names, cool fun snake names. What's your favorite name for them?
Speaker 2:So far we got. I guess I mean Black Mama is just like kind of the most badass to me, yeah.
Speaker 1:I do kind of like California Mountain.
Speaker 2:Snake? Yeah, it is cool. I just don't know anything about him. Is it a rattlesnake? I don't know.
Speaker 1:I'm sure it's poisonous somehow.
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah, that's what makes me think it's a rattlesnake.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know. So she, ellie Driver, stands over the comatose bride and says that her gift is to allow her to die in her sleep.
Speaker 2:she says she despised her but respects her, and I'm assuming she's jealous of the relationship she had with Bill do you think that within the infrastructure of the deadly viper assassination squad, because they probably need like, they probably need like administrative people in there, right, you think they have names like garden snake or like yeah, like the secretary is this?
Speaker 1:yeah, just like garden snake I can't think of any other snake there's like a really like uh body. Well, if bill had like a really big bodyguard, they'd be calling boa they're like, just like corn snake, corn snake, yeah. What's the green snakes called?
Speaker 2:I can't remember I don't know, yeah, I don't know who cares. Okay, I don't know who cares about snakes. Yeah, who cares about them?
Speaker 1:When you see a snake, it's immediately like damn it.
Speaker 2:I got to deal with this in my yard you got to pull out your list of dangerous snakes and look at it yeah, I'm always like a call.
Speaker 1:The couple times we've seen snakes in our yard here, I'm always like please just go away and I don't have to deal with it, because I don't know how to deal with snakes, was that?
Speaker 1:red to yellow or red to black. Yeah, it's like usually they just move so fast I'm like, well, I don't know, there's leaves everyone can't see. So as she prepares to inject the contents of the syringe into the bride's IV line, her mobile cell phone rings. It is Bill who orders her to abort the mission in view of the bride's survival, of their previous efforts to assassinate her and because it would lower them. Ellie is furious and does as she's ordered and leaves. I love when she's done with it. You know she's like I love you. After she ends the conversation with Bill and she turns to the bride thought that was pretty fucking funny didn't you, um, but I love the shot of him fiddling with his sword and then you see the ring.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it's just like I can't wait to see him use it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it makes me think of all the villains from like old cartoons where they would never show their face.
Speaker 1:Like in inspector gadget, you had like the guy with the cat, yeah, and then uh gi joes, you always had like the guy that you never saw his face yeah, and it's like, if you think about let's just put it for like modern movies like the marvel films, you know they built up thanos like it's like, oh, can't wait till we get thanos, and then we had like 20 movies in between that and then it's like you finally get to him and it's like you see him do all his damage and it's cool and stuff, but it's like, with almost just two scenes of not even seeing Bill, it's like holy shit, what is he going to do?
Speaker 1:And then I think part of the disappointment with volume two is it's like, oh, he's just like a guy that's going to fight with a sword, it's just going to be in a room. I love that, but yeah, I do, I like that. I also don't need giant explosions all the time, so I like small fights too. So we're back, we're doing four years later again, and the bride is still lying in a coma and then we see a mosquito bites her.
Speaker 1:I love the sound it makes when you eat like a straw, and then it goes to like the super close up, like on her hand, and it's like the skin looks all gross because it's so like like a micro, like lens, where you're like really zoomed in on the mosquito and I'm like, yeah, that was gross, it was icky.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I hate mosquitoes.
Speaker 1:I'd understand I'd wake up from a coma from that too and she sits up with a shriek. In a flashback she sees a gun pointing at her and a bullet approaching in slow motion. Love that, just like seeing the bullet go into the into her brain barrel and stuff.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, and shooting out so cool. It was cool. I really thought Uma Thurman did good in this, this painful realization of losing her child, losing her child and everything. Yeah, this painful realization of losing her child, losing her child and everything yeah, that was a cool scene.
Speaker 1:Yeah, turns out Uma Thurman, really good actress who knew, oh, I don't know Everybody. I feel like she should have been in more stuff. I feel like after Kill Bill she did like a few like bad movies and then just kind of only would pop up in Quentin Tarantino movies, and not really. So this was. Is this her last one? Oh, I don't remember any of the other ones Zoe Bell took all her stuff.
Speaker 2:Remember that episode of Family Guy where Peter said he used to be Uma Thurman's eye wrangler? Yes, and you have to push it over. Yes.
Speaker 1:I never noticed it, though I've never noticed her eye.
Speaker 2:I don't know, it was just funny because their eyes are a little wide apart. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's just, it was funny. Second episode where we talk about a family guy.
Speaker 1:Hell yeah, let's keep that going, baby. So she begins to feel her body first noticing the metallic sound of her skull when she knocks on it it's great and then feeling the absence of her baby in her womb. She shrieks again and sobs pitifully. When she hears approaching footsteps, she lies back and pretends to still be in a coma. Something I love is that, like like the whole time, her heart like the monitor, like the heartbeat monitor or whatever it's like going really fast whenever she notices the people and as soon as she lays down, it like slows down immediately.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she has complete control over her body. Fuck, yeah, that's rad.
Speaker 1:She's a fucking warrior. Yeah, so an orderly played by Michael Bowen enters accompanied by a large truck driver, jonathan Logren I don't know it's the guy from. He's in a lot of Adam Sandler movies before this. Oh shit, I didn't notice him. He's in Tommy Boy, or not? Tommy Boy? Fuck me, waterboy.
Speaker 2:Oh okay, he's like. He's who's he in that.
Speaker 1:He's like. I reckon that type of guy.
Speaker 2:You don't remember him? I?
Speaker 1:don't remember, you'd have to rewatch it and you'd see him then. Okay, and he's in a lot of Tarantino movies. So the orderly explains that for $75 this attractive woman is available for whatever the trucker wants. Oh, it sucks. The man pays up and is told that he can do anything as long as he doesn't leave any marks. The orderly leaves and the man climbs on top of the brides. He also says, like watch out, she involuntarily spits, don't punch her. Yeah, it's so gross.
Speaker 2:It's so gross to wake up and then it sucks to realize you just lost your baby. And it sucks a whole lot to find out you've just been getting raped for four years. It's like fuck dude, god damn Terrible. I can't wait for these people to die.
Speaker 1:I know it's just like. Why did we have to make it such a disgusting thing?
Speaker 2:right, but I don't know, it kind of builds that need for revenge. Yeah, you really want to see these people die. Yeah, you want to see these people die.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like, oh so yeah, the guy climbs on top and as he starts to kiss her, she bites down his lower lip and severs it with a whole bunch of blood. And he's either unconscious or dead. I'm not sure, what does it matter?
Speaker 2:Yeah, bleeding out on the floor. That's cool.
Speaker 1:I hope he died, though, in this movie, if you bleed out, no matter how much blood comes out of you, there's more you're not gonna die.
Speaker 2:You're just not gonna die um.
Speaker 1:So the bride tries to get out of bed but collapses as her legs will not support her. When she hears the orderly returning, she picks up a knife and crawls behind the door. He enters, stands aghast at the carnage in the empty bed, she slashes his heels and he falls. Yeah, fuck, yeah, dude, which was keely.
Speaker 2:Yeah, dude, it's like the old fucking. It's one of the hardest things to watch A cemetery movie yeah, the kid does that. Yeah, oh damn.
Speaker 1:They do it in hostile, it's like super gruesome in hostile. Or he's like already had it cut and then he tries to stand up and he's like he just falls forward, while his feet stay on the ground. Stuff's rough. I don't know why. I just I guess because you can't stand after it and it's just like usually when you see it, there's like a huge gap and it's just gross. Yeah, there wasn't any blood on that shot, yeah there wasn't.
Speaker 2:It's like one of the few shots where they're like no blood maybe it was just like so fast the blood couldn't come out quick enough, I guess. Oh, I don't know because that only happens in japan. Yeah, bleed purposely, just spewed blood. Yeah, that'd be great.
Speaker 1:Then somehow the woman that just came out of a coma for four years somehow drags him to the door while crawling on the ground. Hell yeah, man Slamming the door into his head, Hell yeah.
Speaker 2:And he's like where's Bill?
Speaker 1:I don't know he's like. Could you please stop doing that? She demands to know where bill is. She reads the name buck on the orderly's name tag and then sees fuck on his knuckles and remembers.
Speaker 1:I know it's like what type of like hospital is this let's put him in charge of our most vulnerable patients, please, and then she remembers a memory in her coma where she's getting assaulted by him and he says my name's buck and I'm here to fuck. I mean, if your name's buck, I mean that is a pretty cool thing to get tattooed on your knuckles and every time you're about to have sex my name's buck. If only he wasn't a creepy rapist. Yeah, he sucks.
Speaker 2:I'm so glad to see him die yeah.
Speaker 1:It's great, die more, kill him again, kill him again. And then she gives like one last, like yeah, the door, it's great. So she then searches his pockets, finds his car keys. The key fob says pussy wagon in a distinctive pink script, propelling herself to the basement. I love it. At first she just like puts his glasses on. I was like Natalie, no one will ever notice her Puts a toothpick in her mouth.
Speaker 1:Damn, that's the coolest patient I've ever seen. I wonder who that is. She's got blood on her. Who cares? But then she puts like his whole outfit on and she wheelchairs to the parking garage.
Speaker 2:The bride is able to identify Buck's yellow pickup truck because it says pussy wagon on the back and I was like, how am I ever going to find this? Oh wait, I know and I love like little shots of her, just like turning and wheeling and turning.
Speaker 1:It's great, I don't know. And then she hauls herself into the starts a long process of getting her legs moving again. Wiggle your big toe one of the lines. Anytime someone talks about wiggling their toe, I immediately think of this scene. No matter, yeah, I think this is when my foot falls asleep, I think of this movie when it's all tingly.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I wonder. I thought that was really bad for her. Like I put that, the tingly feeling was really intense yeah, for 13 hours and, like I thought for a second, does nobody come looking for. They obviously have found this guy dead by now yeah, you figure they search for us.
Speaker 1:I don't know if he's the only one in the coma patient room.
Speaker 2:Maybe they just maybe, like all the other nurses, really hated him and they just shut the door. They like kick him in with their foot, they kind of push him in and then close the door.
Speaker 1:It's like we hate buck. He always talks about fuck, so um. And then we get a shot of the rest of the daily viper gang and she introduces o-rin yes, played by lucy lu. She's great in this codename cottonmouth. I love this animation. So cool, yeah. And then we gonna um. So then we get chapter three, the origins of oran ishi, and it's an anime. Yeah, it's great, it's uh. I'm not a big anime guy, I fucking am, but this is the perfect amount of anime yeah, it's, it's, and I love how they they used it to tell the story too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so cool and it's just like very styl, stylistic and something that he lets the characters breathe, which is something sometimes I feel like they don't do in animes. What do you mean? Well, there's a lot of parts where it just like stops to like focus on O-Ren's face, and I don't know. Usually when I watch animes, I don't get kind of like an emotional feeling. It's kind of why I have trouble with it, except for studio Ghibli movies, but they're also like the best versions of anime for me, yeah, but those are like, those are so comfy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and they're traumatic and emotional.
Speaker 1:Yes, but like whenever, because you see your dad die by one of the by Bill, essentially, and he was an American officer. He tried to find several off he bill, essentially, and he was an american officer, he tried to find several off the yeah, he did great, so much.
Speaker 2:Um, and then like, after he's killed, you got the yakuza leader. A sleazy old man, uh, comes in to kill the mom.
Speaker 1:Yeah, come on, he just throws her on the bed and stabs her, and this is a shot that I really like, because she's under the bed, just like, and then she starts to cry slowly the blood raining on her it's like that's so good, so fucking good.
Speaker 2:The music is like so intense. Yeah, it's very emotional.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's so good and it's like sometimes I don't like most anime doesn't make me feel emotional usually I'm like stop saying everything you're thinking out loud yeah, but like this type of anime is is.
Speaker 2:I don't usually watch a lot of anime just because it's not good, but like the stuff that is good, that can really like get to you in scenes like this, yeah, this is the kind I enjoy and that's my recommendation for you know. Later yes, later is for an anime about revenge and stuff Can't wait.
Speaker 1:So, after she sees her family die, oren avenges the murders at 11 in a blood spouting style.
Speaker 2:Because luckily he's a pedophile.
Speaker 1:Matsumoto is a pedophile and so she essentially like is on him and then just stabs him. She's like remember me? Yeah, bitch.
Speaker 2:And then when he pulls out the blood, just like her, you can see like the outline of her body where the blood doesn't hit the wall.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so fucking cool. And then, like all the like his henchmen come in.
Speaker 2:She hides under the bed and she shoots him.
Speaker 1:Close her fucking legs off. Yeah, so cool, so good. Hell yeah. And then we see that she developed into a world-class assassin, where we see her snipe a guy from a long distance and then creates the hole and there's two girls in the car with them. They look in. So good, it's great, perfect. It's only like five, ten minutes and it's just like it's a good amount, executed perfectly. So cool. Though if you're not into anime, I can understand why you're just like what the fuck is this? But because I would also like to seen that, you know, in live action too I don't know, I mean it wouldn't have been as stylistic, though yeah, I've been blending these, these two art styles together.
Speaker 2:Just because you know she's supposed to be, she's like a Chinese, american, japanese and I think that was like a cool I don't know. It's like I don't know it's just because she's Japanese. This is a cool way to tell her story yeah, I guess that's what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so then we cut to. It's been 13 hours later and the bride has regained use of her legs, so she sets out on her revenge trail. So much feet. Stuff has happened. She's got some bad hammer toes man. You look at her of her legs so she sets out on her revenge trail. So much feet stuff has happened.
Speaker 2:She's got some bad hammer toes. Man, Did you look at her toes? Oh yeah, they're pretty big. Her toes are like all bent this way and shit from wearing heels.
Speaker 1:That's how QT likes it, though, because he is, he has a foot finish. Really, and that's why there is his feet in every single one of his movies. Interesting, seems like in my thermos might be his favorite. No, but for real, like he always has them doing something, inglorious bastards. They take off the one girl's shoe or like um, what's his name? Christoph waltz? He's putting like the shoe on to determine. Yeah, like who was at the the bar shootout in the movie and I can't remember Even in the Once Upon a Time, has it.
Speaker 2:And whenever she goes to the fight with Crazy 88 and like O-Ren's she's pretty feet, like the women have pretty feet, yeah, but like her, like with her sandals and stuff and the white stockings or something, I don't know, it's just a very pleasing.
Speaker 1:Are you talking about O-Ren at the end when she takes her shoes off? Yeah, Well pleasing. That is just because she's like she's doing it very delicately, yeah, and yeah, I understand that too. That whole fight is very delicate and that's what I love about it Hell yeah, and then so flying to Okinawa.
Speaker 2:And everybody on the plane has a sword Yep, and nobody so good, so great, so ridiculous and amazing. I love it. It's like you think that maybe she's the only one.
Speaker 1:Sword holders on the plane Like cup holders, and the plane's called Arrow.
Speaker 2:It's just like all the people seeking revenge have to use this one airline.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly. So then we cut to chapter four. The man from Okinawa, Love. This whole scene is amazing. Yeah, it's really good. From it being super silly to them becoming super serious and then just seeing like the ritual of the sword. It's so good, oh yeah. So the bride enters a Japanese sushi bar and there is a longish scene with a jovial barkeeper and some slapstick action with his assistant. Yeah, that guy's funny. I love it Watching my soaps and he's just like you know, like the bombastic yelling at his guy.
Speaker 1:Him like teaching her Japanese, even though she obviously knows it, because you know, she's an amazing assassin that just knows everything and can do whatever she wants.
Speaker 2:And I don't know the guy, the man is just so he makes me happy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's very welcoming. Yeah, and he's like sweet and kind Until she asks for.
Speaker 2:I'll let you say it.
Speaker 1:Hattori Hanzo. Yes, she asks for him, and then all of a sudden he gets super serious. Oh shit, she explains that she needs some Japanese steel to kill Vermin.
Speaker 2:I wonder if he's been left untouched by Bill because he's like this incredible sword master right, Even though he he was the one that trained him. He trained Bill, yeah, but like he's the only one that can make these swords and I guess they're kind of just they have too much respect for him to kill him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think that's what it is. Well, I mean, he probably just didn't do anything to hurt Bill. You know, he gave him all the abilities and it's like, well, he's not going to come after me, so I kill him, Gotcha Right. And you know, he retired and he seemed like it was like a super special thing for him to retire until now. I mean, I love, whenever she says his name, the guy in the back like draws the sake. It's so good. And then we also, you know, we'll learn that he's like the assistant to making swords and stuff, which is, you know, I don't know, it's all cool. Yeah, it's fucking badass. It's like you learn so much in one scene, you know. So he shows her to the attic where he keeps an array of katanas he has made. When she keeps an array, of katanas he has made.
Speaker 2:Oh, when she tries one out.
Speaker 1:I love it, though they all look so good and she goes to pick one, he's like no, no, no, the one above it. She pulls it and it's like so delicate, and the way she like unsheathes it, it's like very smooth. Then he throws a baseball at her, does it? Apparently zoe bell is uma thermos, um, like stunt double, stunt double. And you know, she becomes like a character in a lot of his movies, even death proof. She's like in the second half the whole time, um, and she's in lost as a voice, uh, but like she was the one that cut the baseball and that was a real thing.
Speaker 2:That was a real sword and everything they just like get two empty halves of baseball and throw them on the ground no, I, apparently.
Speaker 1:I'm sure that's what they did for that one shot, but apparently she actually was able to do it. That's just what I read in the trivia.
Speaker 2:That would have been such a scary scene to try to make. He's like, OK, we're going to try to do this in one.
Speaker 1:So we don't have to pellet you with baseball it. When she tries one out, he says that they are not for sale and he has sworn not to make any more instruments of death. But now he's going to make the best one, yeah, and she explains that her vermin is a formal pupil of his and quickly get. And he's like so I think you're pretty obligated to do it and I'm like, why? Yeah?
Speaker 1:because he unleashed this evil upon the world. It's like, has he not trained any? Or yeah, maybe like the people he trained, like before they weren't like yeah, like the guy he's got now.
Speaker 2:I mean, even though he's he's his apprentice um, maybe he just isn't evil.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know, it's like I guess it's like maybe Bill was his like only evil one, and that's when he's like I'm no longer making katanas maybe. Yeah, yeah, that's the only thing I assume, and I love that she says it's a form of pupil and then he like correctly guesses his bill by going up to it.
Speaker 2:Writing super hard on the window Writing perfectly.
Speaker 1:I'm like, how many takes, how many takes um. So he agrees to make her a sword, which will take a month.
Speaker 2:He suggests the bride spend the time training do you think they removed the training montage that happened between now and then, or like from this point on?
Speaker 1:yeah, I mean, if there ever really was one, it'd be so pointless yeah, I guess so especially because volume two is going to have a whole training montage later. That makes sense and plus I don't need to see people training. I mean I like it in the Rocky movies, right, but he's like they do it best constantly in every one, so I don't really need it in a lot of other ones.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I guess so, and like she's pretty much already learned a lot up to this point.
Speaker 1:And you see, in Karate Kid, there's just so many movies where there's training and it's like and I think it's just kind of become annoying because you have the whole Rey from Star Wars, force Awakens, people calling her Mary Sue because you don't see her training, she's just good and space and Jedi and that don't exist, so they would just whatever.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean it didn't really make. I don't think it would have made would have made the movie better.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it wouldn't have made it better, so there's no reason. Yeah, but we saw, we saw Luke. We saw Luke on a ship and there was a robot shooting at him and he didn't. So like he trained, I don't care.
Speaker 2:I'd love to see the guy from Wet Hot American Summer teaching her the way with his can of corn. Yeah, that would be so great.
Speaker 1:And then gives a really emotional speech about humping a refrigerator. So we cut to a month later and we see Hattori right, hattori Hattori, examining the new sword, which he believes is his finest work. Can I just say when they pull out the swords right, yeah, there's still noise. Yeah, right, gets me going, bro.
Speaker 2:I know it's just when you when you, when it like unclicks from the yeah, it was just like when they just do it a little bit and you hear that like that wood on metal, yeah.
Speaker 1:And then like every time, like she turns the sword, there's like it's so good and I don't know what, like barbaric, like feeling it gives me, but it's just like I need to use a sword.
Speaker 2:Hell yeah, it's like the sword enthusiast wet dream. Yeah, hell yeah, this is like the sword enthusiast wet dream right here.
Speaker 1:It's like you know, I get like you know, it's kind of a thing where you know white guys who own katana swords and like hanging in their rooms. In movies they usually use it as like, oh, this guy's a douchebag. But it's like, you know, the swords look really beautiful. Yeah, these do. They're so nice and it's like when I watched it I was like, man, I would like a katana sword.
Speaker 2:I'd never do it.
Speaker 1:You can't just have one, though It'd be dumb to have one. It's like what am I going to do you?
Speaker 2:got to have a whole wall of them, like a torii does up there.
Speaker 1:I mean, if I had a YouTube channel where I'm like I wonder what He'd make a billion dollars. Yeah, so he hands it to her in a small solemn ceremony where he admits he broke his personal pact not to make any more swords. Does that mean he's going to?
Speaker 2:he risks going to hell.
Speaker 1:No, I think he just lives in shame for the rest of his life. Yeah Well, same thing. Or maybe it gets over, has a drink of sake and is just like eh, whatever, eh, Such is life.
Speaker 2:He's got like a line of people seeking revenge out his door. Yeah, it's like next.
Speaker 1:Yeah so we go to one great scene. We're back on baby chapter five showdown at the house of blue leaves. Yes, the film returns to oran and shows her as a as newly elected head of the council. Of all the yakuza boxes, bosses, um, they're like having a little meeting. Oh, this is a fucking cool scene when one objects the election on the grounds of her mixed race origin, because she is chinese, slash japanese american. Yes, I love this because in the, in the narration, you have uma therma just saying and this guy on the end just waiting to ruin the party. It's like there's always one Like he objects and then like he's like screaming, everybody's like mad. And as soon as he brings up the fact that she's a mixed race, that dude pulls out his fan. Yeah, but what I love when he brings it up and she just like pitter patters away on the thing and then just like immediately slices and then, just like, immediately slices.
Speaker 2:So good.
Speaker 1:I mean, that's just anime shit right there, that's live action anime right there. I love it. And then she warns the others never to mention her heritage in a negative way, and it's a blood fountain of his head.
Speaker 1:But I love it. She's like. I'm going to say this in English as your leader, I encourage you from time to time, and always in a respectful manner, to question my logic. If you're unconvinced that a particular plan of action I've decided is the wisest, tell me so. But allow me to convince you and I promise you right here and now no subject will ever be taboo.
Speaker 1:Except of course the subject that was just under discussion. The price you pay for bringing up either my Chinese or American heritage as a negative is I collect your fucking head, just like this fucker here Now if any of you, son of a bitches, got anything else to say now's the fucking time.
Speaker 1:Dude, lucy Liu, where did you go? She's gorgeous, she's amazing, she's so intense and she's so good in the Charlie's Angel movies too, and I think that's kind of what happened to her. Like her and Bill. What's his name? Holy shit, murray, bill Murray. Apparently they did not get along in it, and I wonder if that has anything to do with why she disappeared. Bill Murray is probably.
Speaker 2:I think I've heard that he's like hard to deal with. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:He's kind of one of those people that gets a pass for being an asshole yes, on sets, because he's been around forever. Yeah, and he's just funny and he's so good in every movie he's in. It just sucks to know that they treat people like shit yeah. So before that scene we got introduced to Oren's lieutenants, you got our French-Japanese lawyer, sophie Fatale, played by Julia Dreyfus, Another of Bill's, who's also a protege of Bill.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and another of Bill's protege's, her teenage bodyguard Gogo, sporting a plaid skirted school uniform, and Johnny Moe, the head of her strong-armed men, the Crazy 88. And we get the Gogo. We get like a special little scene of her like talking to a drunk guy and she stabs him in the dick. Madness yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what she misses in something she makes up for madness or something, yeah, and then she like spills that dude's guts yeah, and she also has like one of the best death scenes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so good. So then we see the bride flies into Tokyo. Yeah, so good. So then we see the bride flies into Tokyo. She appears in yellow leathers and a helmet, riding a yellow motorbike, while Oren and her motorcade are heading for a restaurant. The bride spots Sophie in her car and there is a flashback to Sophie calmly taking a call on her mobile while the bride and her party were being slaughtered.
Speaker 2:It's just like that she recognizes her voice.
Speaker 1:And yeah.
Speaker 2:Or the ringtone she recognizes, oh yeah. With a ringtone she recognizes, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:the ringtone too. Yeah. So Oren and her immediate subordinates arrive at the restaurant and are ushered upstairs to private dining room by the owners.
Speaker 2:But it's so good how intentional do you think the Charlie Brown uniform was? It had to be because, like, maybe they saw him come out in the yellow with just like a single black belt, and then they're like, no, make that big.
Speaker 1:Well, I could see them being like going to Quentin's, like here's some of the ropes we have, pick one. And one of them is like oh my God, that looks like Charlie Brown we have to add it.
Speaker 1:Or they just added it and then, as soon as he put it on, you know he's like bald and they're like fuck. He looks like Charlie Brown. We have to say something, but no one quit, and he's probably had that idea forever. Let's have a guy look like Charlie Brown, but yeah. So this is where we have the slow motion walk and it's so good. The song is Battle Without Horror or Nice, and it's so good, so good.
Speaker 2:Oh, we should play Sound Clips. I wish I know.
Speaker 1:It's like we could play 10 seconds of it. I know that's why I need to get like a soundboard so I can have it all prepped and it's like press a button and it'll play on the podcast. We see at the bar, oren and her party are enjoying themselves. When Oren senses something threatening, she throws a small knife with a red tassel through the paper. It's like a dart, yeah. And then it lodges in Nabi in the hallway, startling the bride who's lurking near the private room.
Speaker 2:It's great how aware of her surroundings she is, just that at any moment she's not even looking out the door. She kind of just felt it at any moment.
Speaker 1:She's not even looking out the door. She kind of just felt it and the thing is she's able to sense danger, so anybody could have walked past it. She'd probably been fine, but the fact that she felt that there was someone sneaking made it where she throws it, then Go-Go goes outside to check it out.
Speaker 2:She just takes forever. Yeah, she's looking around.
Speaker 1:But we see the bride has braced herself against the ceiling.
Speaker 2:Yes, and then Go-Go doesn't see her. And then she doesn't see her when she drops down and you can like there's like an obvious shadow being cast on this door. I don't know. Yeah, she probably should have thrown like six more darts, yeah.
Speaker 1:Let's throw a grenade next time. So we get a long shot one. Take that the bride. We see her walking down, we see her walking through the whole place and we see the I think it's like four, five, six, seven, eights. That's a band, apparently. He was in Japan scouting locations and he was in a convenience store and he heard the song and he went to ask, like what band is this? And they tell him, and he wasn't gonna have time to go to like a record store in japan. So, and you know, this is the early 2000s, so it's not like he could just go online and download it. Yet I don't think so. He convinced the store owner to let him have the cd, nice, and then he was like I'm gonna use them in my movie.
Speaker 2:And that's them.
Speaker 1:But yeah, we get a long great shot of them. You just see the people dancing.
Speaker 2:They're dancing so hard and like in a line and also just kind of watching them.
Speaker 1:It's like so good. So she walks into the bathroom, there's some overhead shots like we saw before, and then we see her stripping off her leathers, and then for another yellow uniform that's on, yeah, yeah and then we cut to or we don't cut, we just continue going and we go back out. And then we see sophie, who's coming down from the room and then goes, ends up going to the bathroom as well, and then she hears the distinct ringtones of the cell phone.
Speaker 2:She just hears her taking a shit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like oh, that sounds familiar um also the the yellow jump shoot. That's from a Bruce Lee movie that's why they have it. That's cool yeah, hell yeah. So now she has Sophie in tow. The bride loudly announces her presence from the restaurant floor those badass.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh Ren, yes, we have unfinished business.
Speaker 1:We have unfinished business and they all come rushing out onto the balcony while they watch, she slashes off one of Sophie's arms, spewing a fountain of blood and pandemonium ensues as the diners and staff flee. And then it's like more overhead shots. It's so good. And then Oren sends her lieutenants down singly or in a group to kill the bride, but all end up dead. I just run it down the stairs.
Speaker 2:It was so funny, like after she cut off the arm and then everybody's watching and they wait for like 10 seconds. Then they're like, oh shit, let's go it's like 10 seconds of shock.
Speaker 1:At that point it's so good, um, and then?
Speaker 2:she fucks those dudes up like yeah, they have I guess you have to send them in waves.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's video game logic, right yeah?
Speaker 2:because I feel like O-Ren knows how dangerous the the yeah, the bride is yeah she's like is she just trying to wear her down a little bit at a time? I don't know.
Speaker 1:I guess she was just like hoping one of them get like a couple hits in. Yeah, I guess, so which? They eventually do. But so then, after she kills everybody, the final defender is go-go. Who opposes the bride sword with a ball and chain in a vicious fight? Yeah, it's this great like, almost like it's not a mace or anything but.
Speaker 2:I don't know what you can remember the name of it.
Speaker 1:It's a ball and chain that also has saws on it, which is cool. But I love it. It's great. It's just like different fight before we get a whole bunch of sword play. Yeah, she's got it and it's swinging and it's so cool and, like the girl's face is so calm and like calculated, she's able to get the sword away and she starts hitting her in the chest with it and like blood spewing out of her mouth there's breaking a lot of stuff Every time they jump. It's like a type of thing. The sound effects are all great in it.
Speaker 1:And then she's got her like one up. She has the chain wrapped around a pole, that also wrapped around her neck, and now she's choking her to death. It looks horribly vicious, it looks painful, her face is getting red, her eyes look like they're about to bulge and I'm like, did you actually get choked during this scene? It's like, make that face, but she crushes. She probably got choked a little bit, but as she's about to die, she sees the wooden stick with some nails on it, hits her right in her white shoes and the blood just immediately soaks her white shoes and then hits her right in the head with it and then you get the great shot of Go-Go just like, and then like essentially like bright red paint coming out of her eyes.
Speaker 1:And it's amazing I say, did I miss anything else?
Speaker 2:no, that was pretty much it they hear the motorcycles start showing up.
Speaker 1:Yeah and yeah before they can fight. I love because she pulls out. She has like a small katana I don't know what they call those. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I love that has like little, almost like beads, like you know girls would make bracelets out of, but it's also on her little small katana, I'm like, oh yeah, because she probably wishes she had a childhood.
Speaker 1:So I was kind of thinking I was like, because a lot of her katanas and stuff they're all and have like a childlike thing to them, I'm like, yeah, it's that kind of actually is a great depth for a character because you know, she's probably longing for the days where she could have a childhood and be with her family. Yeah, probably, she probably, which makes kind of this whole, the ending battle between Uma Thurman and Lucy Lou, Very kind of emotional.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Do you think that when she, when she pulls out because I have a feeling I don't know much about these swords, but I have a feeling that these are more ceremonial, like the little ones she pulls it out and she stabs it into the banister as, like you know, duel, like a gauntlet's been thrown, kind of thing?
Speaker 1:Yeah, because it happens like right as everybody's pulling up, so it's almost like now the true battle begins, I'll be waiting.
Speaker 2:Yeah, happens like right, as everybody's pulling up.
Speaker 1:So it's almost like now the true battle. I'll be waiting. Yeah, all I know from those swords is from video games, the smaller ones, and usually it's like you hold one in one hand and you got the other one in the other and right, you know, it's just, I guess, counterbalance weight, I don't know, it's like a sneak. You now you gotta watch my left hand. I got another one, yeah, um, and then soon as she stabs it into the rail, the Aurora motorbikes is heard and the crazy 88s pour in.
Speaker 2:I love how she's like really yeah, it's like you didn't think it was going to be that easy, did you For a second there?
Speaker 1:I kind of did, yeah, so it's one versus many in a long, beautifully gory, balletic and bloody, but finally only one of the 88 remains the little kid. Yeah, the little kid. But yeah, this is crazy, the whole fight. It's so good Some of them get a few hits on her, but there's a lot of wire work where she's jumping on stuff and flying. It's like all sorts of movies that you've seen in the past all coming together in one epic battle, jumping around the banister like the stairs.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and there's like black and white blood spewing everywhere, and it's so great when it cuts back to color and then it's like this is red. All the water's red, red everywhere, but here's you know, I'm just gonna say it's a nitpick, but also I don't care. There's 88 of them. I'm assuming, supposedly assuming, supposedly stab all at once, some stab up, some stab down, some stab in the middle so if she jumps, you get her somehow. But I get it. It's a movie, it's almost video game logic.
Speaker 1:Right, you play Assassin's Creed, they attack one at a time, you counter and you stab, and even in Ghost of Tsushima they do that. But yeah, it's a great battle. You got her like she's jumping up all that stuff. You got her rolling on the ground just cutting legs. I'm like move everybody just move away from her death circle, start throwing swords at that point, like I mean everybody's got two, just throw one.
Speaker 2:There's the story of this World War II, this Japanese general from World War II. He was supposedly so good at hand-to-hand combat that he could do this thing where he, if he was surrounded by blades, he could just kill all of them really, that's awesome because they would. There's a. There's a one photograph I've seen of him in the middle and all of his soldiers have like swords pointed at his neck and they're like, yeah, he really could just take them all on yeah like so that's just kind of cool to think about.
Speaker 1:That it's possible, yeah you're just like how someone could do if you got the reflexes and like the strategy. I don't know. I mean it seems you know watching watching movies where they do sword fights and samurai fights like usually most samurai fights last 30 seconds of that because one slash and you're dead. Essentially yeah, cause you know, especially back then they didn't have a medicine. You know you're going to get infected and probably just die at that point, oh yeah, you're going to die, which is one of the fun things I can't remember. I guess I was just watching, like old Japanese, like documentary on history Channel or something where I found all that out and I was like this is so cool.
Speaker 2:I didn't realize it.
Speaker 1:Movies are so unrealistic, but in this one I like it because most of the people that she slashes like they don't immediately die, or some of them do, but, like at the end, when the lights come back on, it's like everybody's like fuck that hurt.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Hello, and she gets up there she hurt yeah hello, and she, she gets up there. She's like for those of you lucky enough to be alive, yeah, you know your legs and limbs belong to me, except for you, sophie.
Speaker 1:But right before that and before we see the little kid, I do want to mention like they turn the lights on and then quickly turn them back off, and then she's fighting and silhouetted with blue behind us that was cool beautiful and then the youngest. We see him. She chops down his sword and then spanks him and says get out of here and go back to your mother, something I like about this. So we spent like 20 to 30 minutes on a scene where she gets a sword. The fight better deliver and it does.
Speaker 2:Right, she cuts off so many things yeah.
Speaker 1:And that's what I think this movie really works is that it's building up her and they deliver on it.
Speaker 1:And I feel like, even with O-Ren the fact that we just saw this woman kill like 88 people and then O-Ren has to fight her and she's able to get like a hit on her and stuff it's one on one it's like, oh shit, she's good too, and so you never know how it's going to turn out, except the movie's about the one person. So she obviously she's going to win. So she announces the defeat of Crazy Eight to take all your body parts and stuff and leave, but she orders Sophie to stay and then we cut to the final battle, the final boss of this movie. She walks out. There's snow you got the fountain so peaceful and something I like so they're outside in the snow. The bride and O-Ren start to fight. And I love it because at first you have O-Ren, she's very calm, she's doing her little dainty, like taking off her shoes and just like slowly walking. It's so slow paced and I love that. And then you see Uma Thurman's character, super nervous.
Speaker 2:Just covered in blood and gross, and so you got her being nervous.
Speaker 1:Oren's is like I'm calm. She's like and then there's talk about the sword and she's like no, this is actually the type of sword, yeah she's like it's a horde, a tori hanzo steel.
Speaker 1:She's like bullshit yeah, it's like no way. And then so they have a little battle. It's great, it's like wide shot, and then cuts up to mean close up, and then orin eventually gets like a cut on, like a hit on her, and slashes her back and then she just kind of falls over. And then what is it? She says, like silly caucasian girl likes to play with samurai swords tricks, yeah, um, but what I like, uh, is that, um, she gets back up and they fight some more. And they have this where Oren gets behind one of like the fence area or something like kind of run together like that, oh yeah, and they fought a little bit. And then the bride gets a hit on her and then she's like she starts saying like oh, I'm sorry, yeah, I'm sorry that I disrespected you and your sword For the for when I ridiculed you earlier, I apologize.
Speaker 2:Starts saying like oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, I'm sorry that I disrespected you and your sword for the for when I ridiculed you earlier. I apologize, like so it was a cool touch.
Speaker 1:Just like between the respect shown between two like evenly matched, I think they're kind of yeah, they were probably friends at one point, yeah, because that's because during this whole thing, as soon as she gets that cut on her, the bride, she starts kind of crying and welling up and I was like, oh man, so much emotion all of a sudden. And then it's like is it because it's like her first kill on revenge, or do you think it's because they were like Ren and that she hates to see that she over in lived like a shitty ass life?
Speaker 1:And now it's going gonna end with her dying alone in the snow yeah, it sucks.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think you're right. I think there was, you know, a deeper connection in there which I kind of wish we would have known more about.
Speaker 2:Just a little bit just to kind of help solidify that, that connection. But uh, it was badass like the, the shot of the blood trickling down her like snow light, like socks or whatever it's so good like. And it forms like the shot of the blood trickling down her like snow white, like socks or whatever it's so good like and it forms like the tongs of her sandals, like on her feet, and I'm like she's wearing bloody shoes.
Speaker 1:Um, and then it cuts back, so they're fighting for one last time and the bride wins by slicing the top of oren's head off. And I love it because when she gets to swipe, you to see the blood in the snow like one line, and I'm like fucking, she's like snatched her wig off Good yeah. Oh, and then you just see like the top of her head fall onto the ground. That really was a Horthorion sword. I guess they were gonna was that sword so?
Speaker 2:you think her brain fell out when she fell over?
Speaker 1:yeah, it was at least attached to the skull, maybe, and then you just see a little bit of it funny when she fell over.
Speaker 2:It just kind of flops out yeah gets up runs away.
Speaker 1:All they have to do is just, just like you know, just take the brain out, reattach it and then just put like a glass container and then she can be a martian. And then we see later the bride crosses oren's name from her list.
Speaker 2:The bride loads sophie into car and drives to a point where she can roll her down a snowy slope to a hospital great roll yeah, it was, and it's really, really funny how they're doing the storytelling at this point we're showing her talking to her while she's in the trunk and then she goes back to the second time. They're like, as I said before, yeah, there are two reasons.
Speaker 1:I love it. I do have that One of the lines. So as a bride draws up her deathless five, again we see Sophie and monochrome talking to someone whose face is not seen, but it's clearly bill. She tells bill that, under threat of having more limbs cut off, she she tells Bill that, under threat of having more looms cut off, she has told the bride everything she knows. She explains that the bride kept her alive just so she could tell Bill in person all that happened in Wormhill, that soon all the others of them would be dead as well.
Speaker 1:And then you have the. While she's on the plane you have a line by the guy that made the sword. The revenge is never a straight line. It's a forest and like a forest it's easy to lose your way, to get lost, to forget where you came from. But yeah, and when it does cut to, one of the funny lines when she's talking to Sophie is I want you to tell him all the information you just told me. I want him to know what I know. I want him to know. I want him to know so good.
Speaker 1:And then we get to sophie talking she looks terrified, yeah and you have bill, who's got like his hand on her shoulder and her face is constantly touching her and it's like are you gonna kill her? You're not gonna kill us. And then he says the final words she aware that her daughter is alive. Find out next year and kill bill. Volume two or next.
Speaker 2:How many years was it between those two?
Speaker 1:movies? Just one one. Yeah, they filmed them back to back. Okay, yeah, and that's kill bill. Um, we're gonna hop into our categories the good, the bad, the ugly, the fine. The good is something we liked about the film, the bad something we didn't like. The ugly is something that didn't age well. The fine is something that did age well. What do you got for the good?
Speaker 2:The good is. Take a breath. I love the whole, all the aesthetic of the movie. I think it's just very, I don't know. It's just that Quentin Tarantino style of when all the music and the different art styles come together to kind of represent something that, like you, may have never seen before. It's just really interesting yeah.
Speaker 1:Like the mishmash of Kung Fu Samurai.
Speaker 2:Quentin Tarantino style film.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's all really good. All the performances are great. We got to shout out to the music man. Yeah.
Speaker 2:The music is so good in this.
Speaker 1:It's also going to be part of my something that aged well, it's the music Hell yeah, because everybody knows it. You hear any of these songs and it's like immediately think of Kill Bill and Quentin Tarantino, one of the best actors we got. Cool guy Maybe, I don't know, but he's good at acting. He's good at directing, not good at acting. No, all right, what do you got for the bad?
Speaker 2:For the bad there was. There were some instances with Uma Thurman's story or the bride's story that I thought were a little I don't know, because I like everything so over the top, but there are like a few lines that she had that just didn't fit for me. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I think that's the problem whenever you have a mishmash of all genres in one movie. Yeah, it kind of switches on how they're acting, like scene to scene, and it's like what. I will say something also for the good um, her acting when she goes to the sushi bar she's kind of a bubbly like oh, just a tourist she's so good in that scene I love it, like whenever they're starting to fight.
Speaker 1:The sushi guy and his like right hand man. They're holding each other and they go over and she like swipes like it's so good for me the bad. It's also part of the ugly coma, sex coma sex.
Speaker 2:That's bad, makes me feel bad.
Speaker 1:When it happens. I love the revenge she gets on me, so that makes it a little bit better. That's why I didn't really put in the ugly. I put in the bad. It's just like I don't know, do you?
Speaker 2:have to sign a consent form when you go into a coma.
Speaker 1:I don't, I don't know You're in a coma, how?
Speaker 2:should she have gotten like a percentage of the it's all bad.
Speaker 1:It's like I don't. I don't know how, I don't know how any I don't know, you're in a coma. You can't really do anything. What do you got for the ugly? Something that didn't age? Well, I don't know. There's not really a whole lot. I just put it's a Weinstein production, harvey. Yeah, he sucks. Anytime that pops up, that's going to be always ugly. Taints it a little bit. Guy's a piece of shit. Yes, die of cancer in prison.
Speaker 2:Thank God in prison, thank god, oh nice, yeah, suck it, harvey. But what I think? Uh, oh no, what did you think? Not as well? Oh, that was the harvey one. Oh right, okay, right, yeah, you're right. Uh, but what age? Well, I think it was revenge.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's dish best served cold. Uh, yeah, I love revenge films. They're so good um, my fine was quinn tarantino. Obviously he just constantly makes bangers and samurai films, kung fu films. Everybody loves them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, most, most dudes at least do yeah, I think so, like a crouching tiger, hidden dragon type stuff. He's beautiful, it's. It's gorgeous and like the wire work in that. Yeah, I, I feel like these little, these Quite a bit of wire work with the crazy yeah.
Speaker 1:When she's jumping on the swords and stuff. Yeah, so that's that category. Now we are going to cut to double feature a movie that goes well with this, one that you'd want someone to watch right after.
Speaker 2:Not a movie, but a series. It's an anime series called Blue Eyed Samurai oh really. Right after not a movie, but a series is the anime series called blue eyed samurai oh really. And it's very similar to this, well, in that it is a girl seeking revenge yeah and it's so fucking cool. Yeah, it's like. The action scenes in it are just amazing. It's very, it's a very touching show.
Speaker 2:It's all just all around good watch yeah, and there's like eight episodes oh, that's it oh, that's a quick watch there's no like it doesn't like leave it open for a second season. It's just like this is one story and we're done, and we're done, and it's so fucking cool, cool, so check that out.
Speaker 1:Mine is old boy. You ever heard of it? It's a revenge flick, nice. After being kidnapped and imprisoned for 15 years, a man is released only to find he must track down his captor in five days. It's great, hell yeah, it's amazing. It's um he like eats a whole octopus in it. It's crazy, um.
Speaker 2:There's there's a thing he eats octopus whole, or it's like, piece by piece, a whole octopus.
Speaker 1:I'm watching him right now. He's eating it whole yeah.
Speaker 2:It's like, it's gross, like head first or feet first. It was head first or the feet sticking out of his mouth, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So this film is popular because, well, it's reveal at the end Gross, but also it's got this amazing hallway hammer fight scene. What?
Speaker 2:That sounds amazing.
Speaker 1:So Daredevil, you know how it had like a crazy fight scene throughout a hallway. Yeah, like the series. Yeah, yeah, it's from this. Wow, that's cool, it's amazing. It's one of the best fight scenes you'll ever see. It's one shot, billion people he's fighting, so it's like think of crazy 88s, but it's in a hallway. Dang, yeah, it's a guy, one guy with a hammer and the other people have a bunch of stronger weapons. Nice, um, the movie's amazing. They did a remake with spike lee has josh brolin and, uh, scarlet witch in it. Blank, uh, blank, olsen. That the the scarlet witch olsen um.
Speaker 1:Not as good. Not as good, it's fine, it's just. You know, why'd you make a? You're trying to remake a masterpiece. It doesn't always work, yeah, as we know.
Speaker 2:But yeah, check those what's that on, because I know Blue-Eyed Samurai is on.
Speaker 1:Netflix. It's also on Netflix, hell, yeah, yeah. So watch both of them on Netflix today or throughout the week. Before Kill Bill, volume 2.
Speaker 2:Give us money Netflix.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You're welcome Netflix, or just stop raising my price, at least Damn.
Speaker 1:And that's our conclusion of Kill Bill Volume 1. Come back next week for the conclusion with Kill Bill Volume 2. Yeah, yeah, hell, yeah, I can't wait. And did you like Kill Bill Volume 1? What did you like about it? Are you the new follower we just got on Spotify and you want to like, say something about the podcast? You can leave it in a review, or you can go to the top of the description, click the link and send us a text message with whatever you want to say to us. Or go to the bottom of the description and go to weRecommendMailbag at gmailcom and send us an email. That way, go to our linktree, linktree, forward slash WeRecommend podcast to easily go to wherever you want to stream us on. Or it's the quickest way to get to our social medias.
Speaker 1:I'd like to thank Joey Prosser for our intro and outro music. Follow him on X at Mr Joey Prosser for our intro and outro music. Follow him on X at Mr Joey Prosser. And that has been this episode of the we Recommend Podcast. I've been Jesse, I've been Jason. Oh shit, I always forget to come up with something. Revenge is like a force baby, don't get lost in it. Bye.
