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Kill Bill: Vol. 2
Why does "Kill Bill: Volume 2" captivate hearts in ways its action-packed predecessor does not? Join us to uncover the layers of Quentin Tarantino's sequel masterpiece as we unravel the emotional depth, storytelling brilliance, and unforgettable performances that define this cinematic gem. From Beatrix Kiddo's heartfelt reunion with her daughter to her complex relationship with Bill, discover how Tarantino masterfully balances humor and narrative complexity, creating a film that's less about fists and more about feeling.
Peek behind the curtain with us as we share the fascinating production stories that brought "Kill Bill: Volume 2" to life. Explore the unique chemistry between Uma Thurman and Quentin Tarantino, Robert Rodriguez's quirky contributions, and the surprising script changes inspired by Michael Madsen's hat. With anecdotes ranging from childhood memories of Kurt Russell to the martial arts lore surrounding Pai Mei, we offer a fresh perspective on the creative forces behind this unforgettable film.
Get ready for a rollercoaster of drama, moral complexities, and tension-filled showdowns. Relive the suspense of "The Massacre at Two Pines," the poignant moments of Bud's betrayal, and Elle Driver's ruthless revenge. Reflect on the cinematic elements and character dynamics that make "Kill Bill: Volume 2" a compelling narrative journey. Whether you're revisiting the iconic Pai Mei training scenes or dissecting the climactic confrontation with Bill, this episode promises a captivating exploration of storytelling at its finest.
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Hello and welcome to the we Recommend podcast, a movie podcast, where every week we recommend a movie for you to watch and then come back here and listen to us discuss. I'm Jesse and I'm Jason. That woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die, but then again so does she. So I guess we'll just see, won't we? Because this week we recommend Kill Bill, volume 2.
Speaker 2:Fuck yeah, man, bud Fucking love Bud. Bill Madsen. Yeah, Is that his name, bill Madsen, or was it Bud Madsen?
Speaker 1:I don't know, let's see what is his actual name. His name is Madsen, I know, but now that you said Michael Madsen, or was it Bud Madsen, I don't know. Let's see what is his actual name. His name is Madsen, I know, but now that you said Michael Madsen because of what you said, I was like crap. Now I'll have no idea what his name is, because I was so confused.
Speaker 2:Anyways.
Speaker 1:So volume two, here we go. Do you like it more or less than volume one? We go. Do you like it more or less than volume one? See, I think this one's actually kind of a better movie than the first one, but I don't think it's nearly as rewatchable. Yeah, the other one has, like, more of the iconic stuff, but this one, like the whole time, I'm just like it's time to fucking kill bill no, I just felt like it was they.
Speaker 2:I feel like they ran out of movie.
Speaker 1:Really.
Speaker 2:And they had to like like, we need to make this dialogue last another 30 minutes.
Speaker 1:This is this is just. This is what Quentin wants to do. He wants to just like let's have two people sit in a room and let me have my witty back and forth type of dialogue with them. Yeah, I mean it's enjoyable Because, honestly, like all the conversations for me, I'm like I'm just as like hell. Yeah, let's go.
Speaker 1:Let's get just as much as I am during like all the fights in the first one, but I think just in terms of it's funny, you're like they ran out of story. I think story-wise this one was better than the first one for me. But I mean like there's really nothing in here that's better than the crazy 88s right in here. That's better than the crazy 88s right. That was sweet. Even the vivica fox fight. No, I will say the daryl hannah and uma therma fight, driver l and, yeah, black mom. That was pretty cool that the whole everything with bud and her and black mama is all so good everything in that trailer is great.
Speaker 1:Hell yeah, trailer fight but then also everything with him. What's his name? The the trainer, may pie, pie, may pie, may.
Speaker 2:That's it, yeah.
Speaker 1:May pie.
Speaker 2:I think I accidentally put it in my notes backwards once.
Speaker 1:All that stuff's really funny. This whole this movie is like really funny, like yeah, and also very emotionally kind of heartbreaking sometimes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it really was, especially when she saw her daughter. Just something you don't get in a lot of films. You know, what fucked with me is that Bill was like Spider-Man's not Spider-Man until he puts on a suit. What the fuck.
Speaker 1:Bill, I know, and he's like Superman is just Superman. I'm like no, it's the fucking red sun.
Speaker 2:It's the yellow sun that makes Superman.
Speaker 1:Superman. You don't know shit about comics. He's Kal-El Ugh. Come on, we're all comic experts now because of movies. No I know, I was like you know what? Let's hold up Bill. Okay, Because Superman's not my favorite superhero. Hold the phone. I prefer Spider-Man over it. So he's like I'll start throwing fists at him.
Speaker 1:Throwing fists at him, but I get his point of that monologue, though, is just like oh, he just went. Really he pretends to be Clark Kent, like she's trying to pretend to be like a mom. I just felt like he took too long to say that yeah, well, it's because it's because he takes so long to talk.
Speaker 1:David Carradine, it's very long and drawn out, but I like those type of movies. So I think that's why, sure, I like those type of movies. So I think that's why I personally considered a better movie. Just, I would watch the first one over and over before I'd watch this one. Yeah, I really love Daryl Hannah in this movie. Oh, the high patch lady. Oh, she's so good in this one, she's actually I think my favorite character in this movie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she's great. She didn't definitely didn't get enough screen time in the last one and she made such an impact in the first movie with the nurse.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the whole nurse thing, the whistle song, it was sick yeah.
Speaker 2:But she's such a bitch in this one.
Speaker 1:I know.
Speaker 2:She killed my time. I'm A yeah.
Speaker 1:It's like why you just had poison them. That was so easy for him to do. Damn it. But yeah, she crushes to me and I just like her whole character, just like she hates Black Mamba, the bride, beatrix. But she also doesn't want Bud to kill him because it's like, well, this piece of shit shouldn't kill anybody. Why did you kill Bud? But also, I kind of love Bud.
Speaker 2:I know Bud was fun.
Speaker 1:Everybody in this movie, bud had fallen on some hard times. Yeah, yeah, bud needs some money. He needs it quick.
Speaker 2:Just look at the titty bar, could he just?
Speaker 1:go back to killing people? I don't know. I know. I mean, I guess he's like gained weight and stuff, so maybe he can. I don't know. Yeah, I guess it's like, well, find something to do, murder someone and steal their money.
Speaker 2:I don't know, yeah, you got that cool sword? Yeah, do you think he got that sword engraved that? Um, do you think hattori hanzo did that for him, or do you think he took it to?
Speaker 1:like I think bill got hattori hanzo to make it and inscribe that on it hey, yeah, but like did he take the sword to?
Speaker 2:like what's the place that inscribes like glass stuff? It's like a jewelry store. Yeah, it's like he goes to Claire's.
Speaker 1:Gets his ears pierced. Yeah, I mean, bud did have his ears pierced.
Speaker 2:Do you think Bud had it inscribed Because Bill didn't? Yeah, that would be funny.
Speaker 1:It's like this is what I wish. My brother said I'm just Bud the Sidewinder, love you too, Bill. Oh man, when they revealed david carotene like the end credits it says david carotene, bill, aka snake charmer I was like that's so fucking it was funny, though, because he was just laying there dead yeah, I know what do you? What do you think of his death? Uh people think it's very anticlimactic, but I kind of of love it.
Speaker 2:It was. It was kind of cool because he, he died by her hand, you know, and by the trick that the guy never taught him.
Speaker 1:The only thing Bill couldn't do, because they could pretty, they're pretty much even. It seemed like the whole two movies set up Like we did nothing but talk about how good Bill is. We don't ever see anything Right, until he starts like he's just like hey, y'all want a sword fight, I got some fucking guns, I will shoot you or give you some treats. Hell yeah. But it seems like he'd probably win, maybe in a sword fight, I don't know, he's older.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but it just seemed the way they're talking about it. And then you see how Beatrix, she just killed like a whole bunch of people and it's like, oh man, they're going to be evenly matched. How is she going to win? It's like the one thing he didn't know was the five finger death punch.
Speaker 2:Five point exploding palm technique. Yeah, no, I kind of expected him to have like a bunch of extra assassins for her to chop through.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I don't know, I think, his alias of being a snake charmer, him being the snake charmer. I don't think he ever thought that she would be able to kill him. Maybe, I don't know, because she was charmed, maybe because, I mean, as soon as she walks, anytime he starts talking, she's like aw. I think, that's.
Speaker 2:What was interesting about that whole scene is that they're they've loved each other. Yeah, like you can kind of tell that they really did love each other. Yeah, um, but he had to die.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, and it seems like out of the two movies, the only two people she liked was oren. She loved oren. It seemed like they were close and bill, so it's like, oh no, I would have liked to know more about you know all their, like some.
Speaker 2:I wish they would have maybe had another anime thing where they show like what these people, what these assassins, kind of if they ever did anything together or were they all just set, sent on separate missions and never really had contact with each other? It's wild that they like a family.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's kind of one of them. It's wild that they didn't like he didn't just like produce like a five-part anime or something of the kill bill universe or something I know I do have some facts about something like that, so we'll start.
Speaker 1:Lay it on me, we'll hop into the facts. Lay your facts on me. So the first fact some of these facts are kind of a bummer, though. In 2018, uma Thurman posted footage online of a car accident that occurred in 2002 while filming this movie. At the time, thurman had voiced her reservations about filming a scene while driving a car over a straight dirt road. I'm assuming it's when she's going to Bill to meet that one.
Speaker 2:That's the Bond guy yeah.
Speaker 1:So she had to drive a car over a straight, dirt road and had requested a stunt performer. However, since the scene was not considered to be a stunt and the stunt coordinator was not on set that day, quentin Tarantino persuaded her to shoot the scene herself while driving the car.
Speaker 2:She almost ran off the road. Yeah, while driving the car.
Speaker 1:She always ran off the road yeah, yeah, she's driving very fast. There was an unexpected turn in the road and causing her to lose control of the car and crash into a tree, leaving her with a concussion and damaged knees. She tried to obtain the footage as proof, but Harvey Weinstein reportedly refused to release it unless she signed a document that would release the company from any liability. God damn, what a great guy. Right Years later, tarantino finally gave her footage and helped her come forward in wake of multiple sexual assault charges against Weinstein, with Thurman also claiming to be one of the victims. Shit, her and Tarantino admitted that the incident had caused a breach in trust which affected their working relationship for several years, but they reconciled afterwards and remained on good terms ever since.
Speaker 1:So harvey wine scene bad. We also don't pressure your actors to do things that they're uncomfortable with. Also bad, yes, another thing. So this is why she's not in any more movies after this of his oh for a while, because I was thinking. I was like what happened? Because obviously he loves her, quentin tarant, specifically the bottom half of her legs. So I was like, oh, this makes sense, because she's not in the next couple I can't actually remember which. The next? I don't think she's in anymore, I can't remember. He replaced her with like 500 other blondes that he put in his movies. But yeah, so it's kind of a bummer, so we'll keep moving on sure, let's move on.
Speaker 1:Robert Rodriguez yeah, he scored this whole movie for one dollar. What, yeah, alongside with Rizzo and Quentin Tarantino said he would repay him by directing his segment of Rodriguez Project Sin City, the 2005 one for one dollar as well. This was the scene in which Dwight drives Jackie Boy's corpse.
Speaker 2:So I don't remember Sin City I haven't watched it in forever.
Speaker 1:I guess we should probably do that for the podcast. It's really good, yeah, so I think that's funny. It's like here's one dollar, thank you for all the music. But they've always been kind of friends. You know, quentin Tarantino was in From Dusk Till Dawn, which was directed by Robert Rodriguez. Yeah, and also kind of crazy that Robert Rodriguez did so many Spy Kid movies.
Speaker 2:Huh, I haven't seen any of them.
Speaker 1:You've never seen any of them. No, I watched them all as a kid, at least the first two, jeez.
Speaker 2:The thumb guys give me jeez.
Speaker 1:I never had any desire you should show your kids, see if they like it. They're like weirdly witty, but the it just looks terrible. I mean maybe. Well, I mean last time I like looked up a YouTube video about it, it all looked terrible, but maybe it'd work in the movie. I don't know. Yeah, I'm sure my kids would eat that shit up, yeah, alright. So Uma Thurman and Daryl Hannah did not get along with each other. Bum, bum, bum. That's why they're so hot and reportedly instructed hotel and cinema staff to ensure that they were kept separate from each other during the press tour for volume one. They were again at odds at the film screening at the Cannes Film Festival and ordered separate areas to be created at the after show party so they wouldn't clash. When the two women won Best Fight at the 2005 MTV Movie Awards, only Daryl attended. Uma's absence was conspicuous, considering she had gone the previous year to collect their award for her fight with from the Goga God.
Speaker 2:I wonder if normal people win best fight ever, if it's not in a movie.
Speaker 1:Yeah, That'd be great. They're just like here's a YouTube video of two people fighting. They win best fight this year at the MTV Movie Awards.
Speaker 2:A girl smashes another one with a toilet.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like I wonder why they didn't like each other, like I'm the only blonde allowed in this movie.
Speaker 2:No, I am well, yeah, she was uh too close to david carity maybe like one of the um in one of the directing scenes.
Speaker 1:Uh, uma therma is getting her feet shot and you just see Daryl Hannah's foot move in.
Speaker 2:How about this, quentin? By the way, he hits it with a stick, yeah, no.
Speaker 1:So the story? Oh OK. So the story with Esteban, the guy that owns the brothel randomly, right before she meets Bill tells about Bill, the brothel randomly, right before she meets Bill tells about Bill. So yeah, the story Esteban tells about Bill in the movie theater sucking his thumb is a story Kurt Russell told Quentin Tarantino. Kurt did the same thing at a drive-in theater when he was a boy when he saw Marilyn Monroe on screen dang, and that's why Kurt Russell's such a he's a damn dog. I thought that was funny. I wonder if he was watching. He's like what the fuck, quentin? I told you that in private. Now everybody's going to know. Yeah, I'd be pissed. Some interesting facts about Pai Mei, and like about his Kung Fu technique. So Pai Mei is based on Pak Mei, the originator of the white eyebrow.
Speaker 2:Oh nice, yeah, he eats all those little dots.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I guess this is a Kung Fu technique. According to legend, pac-may was one of the few masters left following the decimation of the Buddhist temples. He later sold out other masters to save his team and himself during an attack they had mounted that subsequently went wrong. For this reason, pac-may Kung Fu has always been known as the forbidden technique, and Pac-Man has been a villainous figure in Chinese folklore and film for hundreds of years.
Speaker 2:Hell yeah, that makes a lot of sense that Bill chose him. Was that Bill's master too?
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was who he trained Bill. Yeah, he's just like you know, I kill without a, I kill on a whim basically, that made a lot of sense, yeah, and it's like if you say something, one wrong thing, he's just going to take your eye out, or something or just snap your arm off.
Speaker 1:Hell. Yeah, it's crazy. It's a terrible trainer. Please, if you're training people, be nicer. It worked. Not everybody's trying to be a trained assassin. Okay, yeah, we are. So the club owners. You know how he hated Bud's hat. Well, that was put in the movie because writer and director Quentin Tarantino didn't like it when Michael Madsen appeared on set wearing it. He tried to talk Michael out of it, but that didn't help. So Quentin got back with a little change in the script the next day. Michael Madsen had to follow it. It's like why does he hate his hat? I like the hat.
Speaker 2:So passive, aggressive. He looks so much better with the hat.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he looks so cool with a hat, Just the shot when he's like sitting like on the steps of his camper and you got the side shot and the vistas behind him. Yeah, and he does the whole line that I did at the beginning. I'm like that, yeah, that looks great. He needs a cowboy hat on. It's El Paso and the fact that Quentin Tarantino considers this movie so the first movie considers to be more of a kung fu movie and this one is more like a western in his eyes and I'm like so why wouldn't you want a cowboy hat?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that doesn't make any sense, unless it was like one of those giant, like 10-gallon hats that just look funny.
Speaker 1:But I mean, yeah, exactly, but he, you know, he lives in the desert, he needs a cowboy hat and right correction.
Speaker 2:it was not El Paso where he lived, it was somewhere in California.
Speaker 1:Yeah, something like that, yeah, so next last fact I got in an interview Quentin Tarantino stated that there will be a Kill Bill Volume 3, but it wouldn't happen for a decade. He has also discussed the possibility of a spin-off centering around Vernetta Green's daughter, Nikki, who seeks revenge upon the bride. He's also hinted at a possible all-anime backstory of the Divas.
Speaker 2:It'd be cool if that little girl fought BB yeah.
Speaker 1:But yeah, he's's hinted at possibly doing an anime backstory of the deadly. So when did he say that?
Speaker 2:and has it been a decade I don't know.
Speaker 1:It didn't give me when oh, it's definitely been a decade since he's a liar. Yeah, I think it's just well. Ever since he decided, hey, I'm only gonna do 10 movies, I kind of put him in a box where it's like he's got one left so what? What's he going to do now? And I still don't really know what Kill Bill volume three is. Unless Bill comes back to life, it's a zombie movie. Badass man, what if Quentin was like I'm going to do? A zombie movie is my last movie.
Speaker 1:I don't know why you're doing a Kung Fu zombie movie Fucking slick. I'd watch the shit out of that. I would too. I'd be totally into it. Alright, that's all the facts I got, man.
Speaker 2:Maybe like Karen girl was that her name Karen? Like the girl, the woman she went to assassinate, but then, when she found out she was pregnant?
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, yeah, Dude she's got the fucking shotgun, the hole in the door and her saying congratulations and running off is so funny I know it's like, oh, it's nice. And then like I want to know what did uma thurman say to the hotel person? Like it's like I left.
Speaker 2:I promise I didn't put the hole in the wall the door no, I mean she probably used the fake name and then left without saying that's what I would do, just jumped out the window and then they show it to you. Like what? When did that happen?
Speaker 1:Oh my God, Like how it's like. I don't know, someone just like punched a hole in the wall. They had a really big fist. All right, man, let's do this. Let's finish the Kill Bill series. Are you ready, so ready? So during the opening credits we see the bride's bloodied face again and we hear her say bill, it's your baby.
Speaker 2:In the first scene we see her driving an open car and saying that there is only one left to kill and she says she's on their way to kill bill yeah, and I, I like, I like these this scene, just because, like the black and white are driving in the obvious, like fake road and it feels like a 1950s Even with the way that they put the titles and stuff up.
Speaker 1:It's just very old school and I don't know. There's the fake background in the back.
Speaker 2:Yeah it was just kind of fun?
Speaker 1:I don't know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this movie is all over the place. I love it stylistically, even more so than the first one. I feel like it's a little bit grainy, like the video was. Yeah, it's that older film grain, yeah, which I love, of course, because I'm that type of person. So then we cut to chapter six, the Massacre at Two Pines. Back at the beginning, it's also a black and white segment. At the two pines wedding chapel chapel in El Paso, texas, A dress rehearsal for a wedding is taking place. Reverend Harmony and his wife decided that, since the bride will have no relatives present at the wedding, the groom's relatives and friends can sit on both sides of the aisles.
Speaker 2:How creepy is it that he calls his wife mother. Oh, dude, crush me, mommy calls his wife mother.
Speaker 1:oh, dude, crush me mommy there's so much, there's way too much mother and mommy talk in this movie. When he gets to the end and david carradine will not stop saying the word mommy, I'm like stop and then she I mean we'll get into it in a second, but like stop kissing your dad. Yeah, exactly right, it's so weird that's your dad's baby yeah, like that's not cool.
Speaker 2:I don't want to be married anymore.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is uh, there's something here something where it's happening, my friend, um so, and then they're talking about setting up the wedding stuff and how to do it and running through it. Um, the uh, beatrix, she's getting really pissed off and she's like, ok, this bitch is starting to upset me, so y'all just talk to her and I'm going to go outside.
Speaker 2:I like her friends. They're fun. Yeah, they're fun friends. I was like dang.
Speaker 1:We should get a little bit more story in this group of people here.
Speaker 2:Maybe that's her assassination squad? Yeah, but no, they die so.
Speaker 1:So the bride leaves the chapel to get some fresh air. On the way out she is disturbed to hear flute music, Because how can we make Bill as lame as possible? He plays a giant bamboo flute.
Speaker 2:I think it's kind of neat. It's kind of like that old, you know Kung Fu shit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but how many times did she have to just sit and watch him play a flute? Because?
Speaker 2:they show him twice in this.
Speaker 1:He does it here and then later on, like before the Pai Mei stuff, and it's just like I would just be like dude, like who are you?
Speaker 2:Why are you doing this?
Speaker 1:I'm not going to sit here and listen to this all the time, but she's in love with him. No, I know he's charming and he's got a lot of charisma.
Speaker 2:He's got a flute.
Speaker 1:And he's got a flute. So she goes out on the front porch she finds bill sitting on a bench playing his bamboo flute. She asked him they essentially have a long conversation. He's like I don't know your life, stuff like that. Then he's like it's all about like hey, who's this guy? You're pregnant, wow, that was fast, stuff like that. And then she asks him to please be nice and he replies that he doesn't know how to be nice, but he will do his best to be sweet. Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Like this at the beginning. If we didn't know the outcome of this, it'd be like oh, but we know, this is all.
Speaker 2:So do you think she knew that he was there to kill her?
Speaker 1:I think she will no, because at the end of the movie he talks about like I never thought you would actually do it, you know? Yeah, I mean, I guess she thought the possibility that he could, like beat all these people up, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2:And she was definitely terrified that he had found her.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but he didn't think. I guess she didn't think that he would kill her If he was playing a sword flute.
Speaker 2:that would be different, yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh, a sword flute fluke? Yeah, that's immediately when you know. So they go in, they enter the hall and she introduces bill to her fiance as her father, but rejects the fiance's idea that, as her father, he should give her away at the ceremony. She's like, oh fuck, no, this is gonna be way too weird. Um, so what do you think about the husband, since now we get to?
Speaker 2:oh yeah, he seemed nice.
Speaker 1:You know terrible style, but he was really nice guy. Yeah, he seemed like a nice guy. When Bill talks about his hair, I'm like I agree, bill. I feel like the black and white photography did not help his bleach blonde hair style, you know, it was very bright. Also, it made me think that maybe for a second. When I saw him I was like is that Fred Durst? What I never know about that? As soon as I saw it I was like wait is that Fred Durst.
Speaker 2:I did think that maybe he was an artist, maybe he was like the bassist for Limp Bizkit.
Speaker 1:So as the bride and the groom are called to the front by Reverend Harmony, no attempt is made to introduce father to the rest of the family. I was like, hang on, I'm going to make out with my dad. Yeah, she doesn't introduce the rest of the family. Yeah, she doesn't introduce the rest of the fiance's family. Bill stays back of the chapel. She runs up and is like thank you, thank you for coming and being nice and not killing everybody. Oh, I love you and I'm glad you're being cordial about this, so glad you're not killing me.
Speaker 1:Yes, cut to long pan from inside the chapel this part, fucking hell yeah. The shot zooms out to outside of the chapel but everything's still in focus, even inside the chapel, and it's like brightly lit in there. And then it zooms out and then all of a sudden the assassination squad shows up and it's like hell yeah, let's kill some people. Uh, and they enter and all the shooting starts and everybody's killed, except for, like the two that were previous in their bride, the bride and Bill.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I thought it was. Did you see how the? I thought it was kind of it's maybe nitpicky, but like they after when the shooting started and they're zooming away from the, the chapel, you see Bill run away in the area that they walked in and then you see, like in the window there's like fire, like light from the gun firing. They weren't over there. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I was just like what?
Speaker 1:They all just walked in, stood out of frame and then the light started going off.
Speaker 2:You did see people running away like out of the.
Speaker 1:It seemed like it was Bill running to the side.
Speaker 2:almost I thought Bill. Maybe it was Bill running around to the back next to the window shooting, or I guess maybe Vivica A Fox because she was on the left side.
Speaker 1:She loves windows. I don't know, but I freaking love that shot.
Speaker 2:That shot was great.
Speaker 1:It's one thing, man. It's like even though I feel like this movie is like all the styles, kind of it's like, okay, different style, now we're in a different style, now we're in a different style. Sometimes I don't feel like they all mesh well, but man, when he does it, it's just like every scene is. By the end of it I'm like, hell yeah, it's a good scene. Hell yeah, it's a good scene. I don't know where you're going with this. Yeah, I'm along for the ride. So now we're back in the present. It's all in color. Now bill visits his younger brother, bud, aka sidewinder. That's a hell. That's a hell of a name.
Speaker 2:I'd love to be called sidewinder I kind of like their relationship where he's yes, he's like, he's like I don't even know why I'm asking this, but have you been keeping up with your swords?
Speaker 1:yeah, and he's like no, I actually sold it for 250 dollars. It's like that was priceless, not, not no paso no paso. Yeah, you fucking prick it's so good, and obviously there's something happened between those two that now they don't talk to each other and they don't think it was having him kill a bunch of innocent people I don't think bud seems like the one that cares that much about that. Probably not, I know.
Speaker 2:This is why we need like backstories, you know but they do kind of have the same like sense of honor, yeah, I guess, yeah, like whenever he says like.
Speaker 1:It's like she deserves her revenge, yes, but also she also deserves to die. So it's like what the fuck did everybody do here? I know we, except for the people she's killing, because they tried to kill her and her while she was pregnant and all the people that she liked.
Speaker 2:I do kind of like how they, they, they all kind of view revenge as the same thing, except for maybe L. Yeah, she doesn't really give a fuck.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she's just like I want bill and I want a sword. That's all I want.
Speaker 2:That's all you need, yeah, so but yeah, they have a little conversation that we just kind of talked about. I work at a titty bar Bill.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah. Essentially he's just saying like no, I'm not going to help you and I don't need your help, so don't worry about it. And then we cut to chapter seven, the lonely grave of Paula Schultz. We see Bud. He goes to work. He works at a bouncer in a local strip club. He arrives 20 minutes late and sees that there are no customers in the club. They give him so much shit yeah. Mom, he's 20 minutes late every day.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I get it, but like dude, you're a trained assassin. Yeah, and you work here and just kill everybody. For some reason you have no money from a whole life of assassinating.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I love when he goes in and you got like the two people you got the bartender and another person next to him, but like the weird looking guy that's a bartender, that's like a Rob Zombie staple guy, like he's always in the Rob Zombie movies, and as soon as I saw him I was like I mean, he's so unique looking, that's cool, and he looks like he could live in a trailer, which is what ROMs on me movies take place in trailers.
Speaker 2:Even though.
Speaker 1:I grew up in a trailer, so I respect it, you know. Yeah, whatever, I don't know why I said that it's all good. Yeah, he talks with the bartender for a little bit before he's caught in the office that's sitting there is like should I leave? She's like no, I'd be like no, I'm going to leave.
Speaker 2:I was waiting for Bud to just kill him.
Speaker 1:I know why are you letting him talk to you? You want him to so much, but I think it almost seems like Bud's like I don't actually want to kill anymore yeah, I guess so. Or is this like turned away from that life? Yeah, or I think he's. He might not just be able to fight that well anymore, but I mean I feel like he could kick this guy's ass. In the office, Larry argues with Bud over being late and Bud talks back saying that there is nobody in the bar and there's no need for him to be there. Classic mistake. It's like Bud. Larry's like yeah, I worked that day, not anymore yeah, he's just like I felt so bad for bill for bud.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know, and, um, I feel like bill should be like taking better care of his brother yeah he sees his living conditions well, I think bud is mad at bill.
Speaker 1:So yeah, I think Bud's not accepting any help at this time Bill's not a nice man?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But we only see him be nice, except for the shooting of a pregnant woman in a chapel the day before a wedding. Other than that, bill seems like a kind of decent guy and so essentially he says hey, you're not coming back to work until you hear from me and I you know. I think the reason he's put in this movie and kind of showing him like living this rundown life is like here's two options. You can be like oh Ren, use your powers to move up in life.
Speaker 1:Or you can be just kind of a slob and lazy and not really do anything and just kind of live paycheck to paycheck selling stuff. So I guess it's like the two and not really do anything and just kind of live paycheck to paycheck selling stuff. Hell yeah, bud.
Speaker 1:So I guess it's like the two you know, different ways you could go about being an assassin, or you could just be a fucking psychopath like hell. Yeah, exactly so. In the bar, bud agrees to clean up after a broken tool that a stripper named Rocket says is overflowing.
Speaker 1:I'd be like I'm sorry, I think I was just fired so I'm not going to clean this up. Yeah, I'm sorry, I think I was just fired so I'm not going to clean this up. That's immediately what my wife said. She's like why would he even clean it? So Bud returns to his trailer but standing in front of it he suddenly freezes. He's like he's looking out at like the mountains and stuff. He's like where is she? I know she's here somewhere.
Speaker 1:Surrounded by high ground, he immediately, immediately, feels it. Yeah, he's like, oh shit, which is great, because I like, after seeing like how a man but sucks, he, like he can't, he's not even gonna beat up larry gomez and so it's like, oh, he's not gonna be any good at fighting probably which he probably isn't, but he has just drop on his instincts, I guess. Yeah, because he feels the danger, yeah, and he goes inside. And then we see the bride was actually hiding under the trailer. Hell yeah, she's dressed up as a ninja.
Speaker 1:Essentially Just with a scarf. Yeah, it's like a ski mask almost, but it's really cool. I like the whole like sneaking around the trailer. She's like there's a noise some wolves or coyotes and he's looking out of the window and he like opens it up and she's just like right under him like hell, yeah, that's awesome, uh.
Speaker 2:But whenever she was trying to uh unsheathe her sword it's like the singing sword, for it's like.
Speaker 1:It's so loud, like there's nothing more metal than the sound of metal. So yeah, she's going around, she's um about to break into it. She undoes her sword and she's gonna.
Speaker 2:She kicks in the door and then immediately gets shot with rock salt straight to the chest, it's like that's, that's what bud's good at, he knows when someone's gonna attack, I guess maybe that's maybe he, he and bill like have that sort of dangerous sense. Why does he sense?
Speaker 1:yeah, I wonder if he's got really good instincts and reflexes. Maybe I don't know, or he's just like knows his weakness so he knows how to.
Speaker 2:But he knows the situation. Yeah, and it's like there's only one way in and then she, like she, looks under the door, she sees him facing the door, yeah, rocking in his chair. I feel like I don't know like she.
Speaker 1:I mean, she did walk into it here's the issue use a gun, yeah god. Why won't she just go buy a fucking gun?
Speaker 2:grenade.
Speaker 1:Anything she does, at the end she has the bill's house and I do love that in this at this point, like she no longer uses her sword, like she does not use her sword for the rest of the movie oh so the whole beginning.
Speaker 1:The first movie was getting this sword and she uses it to kill the 88s and then, after this, well, she fights l with it. Yeah, but l has her sword. So it's like, wow, we did all that involved to never use it again yeah, it was badass, though she, as soon as she opens the door and just like goes bam bam and just like goes flying.
Speaker 2:And he talks about how he just blew her tits off.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I mean, could you imagine like getting rock salt shot into you? I imagine it would be, Because it's like it's going to cause wounds.
Speaker 2:And then immediately salt those wounds. It's going to sting.
Speaker 1:So good, and while she lies wounded on the ground, bud is very pleased with himself and injects her with a sedative. It's so wild how it's. I just don't talk a lot in real life, so I feel like I don't know how to talk on a podcast. People are like I'm so tired of hearing you talk about that.
Speaker 2:Well, it's like, like Elle says, you barely get to use those words in a sentence.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's true. So he phones Elle and offers to sell her the bride's Hanzo sword for a million dollars. Elle agrees to bring the money in the morning. Her condition is that the bride must die and suffer to her last breath.
Speaker 2:You think it should have been like first of all, I would have been like more than a million probably. Yeah, it's like this is a sword you would never get in.
Speaker 1:No snakes, elle. Hey, yeah, I'd love a suitcase full of money with zero snakes than a million probably. Yeah, it's like this is a sword you will never get in. Yeah, no snakes. L hey, uh, yeah I love a suitcase full of money with zero snakes.
Speaker 2:One suitcase full of money, one full of snakes.
Speaker 1:But don't mix them together. Yeah, please, please, don't mix those together. Um, so then we cut to bud and an accomplice of his dig a large hole in the ground at a local cemetery to bury the wounded bride and it's a polish.
Speaker 2:It's kind of funny to you that this person was so vertically challenged. It was like, why is this guy here?
Speaker 1:and it's like, oh, this is the type of people.
Speaker 2:But hang out with right now he's a little gremlin.
Speaker 1:It's like god she's giving you the silent treatment. They think we don't like that. Oh man, he's gross. There is actually nothing worse than the silent treatment.
Speaker 1:Yes, it's just like you won't talk to me and there's something wrong and it's like I don't, I don't know how to make this better, because we can't communicate. Um, so when the grave has been dug, the bride is given a choice, because she starts, she's they're trying to pick her up and put her in there, and then she's like fighting back and stuff. Then he like puts a can of mace right to her eye and it's like so if you don't resist, I can give you this a flashlight, but if you do resist, I will burn your fucking eyes out.
Speaker 2:I love how she spits in his face.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then she like points with her head at the flashlight.
Speaker 2:It's like, ok do you think she can't talk or just refuses to talk? I think she's refusing.
Speaker 1:I'm assuming this is going to be one of those situations where it's like, oh, she'd go visit Bill and it's like, oh, fuck his brother's there, damn it, great, he's going to be drunk, talking about strip clubs or something. So she chose a flashlight and is put in the coffin and the lid is nailed down Terrifying. Bud is an accomplice. Lower the, put in the coffin and the lid is nailed down Terrifying, but as an accomplice, lower the coffin in the ground and cover it with dirt and the bride's like panicking the whole time. Crazy, right. I love this scene because they prolong the pouring the dirt on it and like every time you think it's going to be over, more dirt's getting put on.
Speaker 1:Then you're like, okay, that's it.
Speaker 2:And then there that's gotta be the worst feeling it's not fun to watch high imagine yourself being buried alive.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like. It's like I feel like my lungs like filling with dirt or something. It's like you can't breathe um so taking big, deep, panicky breaths yeah, and getting rid of all the oxygen and like she's like hitting the top with her flashlight and the flashlights go now and she's like no, no, no, no, no, no, no, she really didn't need the flashlight though.
Speaker 2:I mean she could well. I mean she did because she needed it for the straight razor and she had to find the weak spot.
Speaker 1:That's to that part. So she panics for a short time and then recalls her training under Pei Mei.
Speaker 2:God damn.
Speaker 1:Then we go to chapter eight, the cruel tutelage of Pei Mei, and in a flashback, bill and the bride, very much in love at this time, sit by a campfire somewhere in China and Bill, who calls her kiddo, plays this flute and I love that, and I love that. Like it's like, oh, this old man dating this young woman calling her kiddo is so weird.
Speaker 2:Turns out it's a last name. That was funny. I like that reveal.
Speaker 1:So good, that's a very Quentin thing. It's like, ah, good joke, quentin, good joke this is a fully adult in the classroom. Yeah, yes, it's so good. He tells her about his Kung Fu teacher, paimei um, and his five point palm exploding heart technique. Technique involves five blows administrated to particular pressure points on the body. Thereafter the victim heart explodes, after he or she takes five steps have you ever seen people do the pressure point stuff? On like. I think I've seen like videos of it. I don't know younger like.
Speaker 2:I've seen them and I don't know if they're real or not. Are these people just faking it?
Speaker 1:I don't know. Do you know anybody that could do it? I don't.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you need to go to a karate place and just film like a video of us pressure point me pressure point me daddy bill pressure point me, I know you know all the right ones.
Speaker 1:And then we were learning. Pie may did not teach bill the technique because he does not show it to anyone he told the story about how he learned the five, the palm technique too, right? Yeah, it's like this whole long story that I'm not 100 sure. I didn't write it down because I was like eh, we kind of get the gist of what it is.
Speaker 2:How old is?
Speaker 1:Pai Wei, he's probably a billion years old, maybe.
Speaker 2:I'm assuming, like each, every inch of his hair his beard hair that grows is at least 100 years.
Speaker 1:And well, this is also a universe where people come up with special like truth serums and stuff. So, who knows, there may be maybe anything long life serum. Oh, and, real quick, since I said that this is in the Quentin Tarantino lore, he always there's always things about his movies being connected and somehow. And so in Pulp Fiction they're talking about, like this TV show that's about these deadly female assassins and stuff, and so people think that this Kill Bill is what that is, which is funny because Quentin Tarantino and Uma Thurman came up with the idea together to do this show. So I was like, wait, is it true? Because that's who in the movie is John Travolta and Uma Thurman's character talking about it.
Speaker 1:So it's like kind of cool and for some reason in that movie if there was someone Quentin Tarantino would be most like. It would have been John Travolta in Pulp Fiction. Yeah, so then we cut to at the foot of the steps leading to Pai Mei's place in another part of a Royal China. Bill, who has just come down all bloodied and beaten, informs the bride that Pai Mei will take her as his pupil because he is lonely. Bill's bruised face shows that he was hurt, but he refuses to say what happened. Bill warns her not to show any disrespect or disobedience to Pai Mei because Pai Mei will kill her. He says he hates Caucasians, despises Americans and has nothing but contempt for women.
Speaker 2:Pai Mei seems like a winner. Yeah, it's funny when he when they first meet here in a minute, then they he's like like all women can do is serve drinks. That I feel like this happened to him.
Speaker 1:Yeah right, that's why he hates women so much. Oh man, um yeah. So it's funny in this movie. It seems like the only guys in this movie that it seems like Bill's the best out of all the guys in the movie.
Speaker 2:Oh man, he's the least painful so for old Tommy Plimpton, who her husband that got murdered.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he seems like a nice, he seems like a nice fella, that's why he had to die yeah that's why he had to die. And then Rufus I didn't, we didn't talk about rufus. Yeah, yeah, the piano, yeah, the piano player samuel jackson yeah, yeah, he was great, it's just I'm smoking people.
Speaker 1:uh, have a theory that rufus is actually, um, samuel jackson's character in full pulp fiction, because in pulp fiction he says he's just going to kind of go around the world and do random stuff, and then that's what he kind of says in his little speech at the beginning of the movie in this. That's interesting, but it's probably not true. Probably came up with the idea from that. But so she climbs the steps. She needed a reason to have Samuel.
Speaker 2:L Jackson in her movie. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1:I mean he has to. It's a Quentin Tarantino movie. He's got to be there somewhere. She climbs the steps and quickly is humiliated by Paime, who scorns her fighting skills and her ethnicity, constantly swishing his beard, and he's just constantly trying to make her mad by saying the most disrespectful stuff. He challenges her to land one blow on him while they engage in hand-to-hand combat and the bride fails. He's like how's your sword play? She goes and gets in and starts doing stuff and you're like ha ha ha ha swish. That's terrible.
Speaker 2:You suck lady, yeah it is great he kicks her ass without using his hands.
Speaker 1:Yeah, anything, he's just like Chokes on the sword. The sound effects? Yeah, thanks boss. Hell yeah, and if you'd like those sound effects, give us $100 and I'll send them to you right now. I'm just like the RZA, I do it all with my mouth, she said. I don't know what are we doing here. So Pai Mei threatens to chop her hand off with a single blow and declares that her hand belongs to him and she must strengthen it. Yeah, because your arm is mine.
Speaker 1:Yes, you must make it strong, that's my strong hand and, but essentially this leads to Um, and but essentially this leads to uh, I can't remember what she says, but she says something. And then Pai Mei's like now you're ready to train, you've succumbed to all all my demands.
Speaker 2:Well, she had to, that's. I mean, that's what they do in the, in the army. They they beat you down, or they don't beat you physically, but they kind of like Mentally they break you down. And I feel like that's what he's doing. He's breaking her down.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly. And then over the next several weeks, years, ever, how long Potentially? I'm assuming it's probably going to be like weeks for her, because you know she's the lead character and she's supposed to be great.
Speaker 1:But Bill said earlier, it's like you might teach you in a year or two. So the bride works hard and she's practicing martial arts forms bringing buckets of water up the steps, and so she works hard and she's learning hard. She finds striking a blow with her fist to break a hole through a thick wooden plank at close range to be the most difficult skill of them all. It looks tough. I love it, she's doing it, and he's like you're already giving up. You're so weak, you gave up before you even started. But this is, it's so good because it cuts every time and you have him at one point sitting on the plank of wood, him watching from a distance.
Speaker 1:And, like slowly, throughout the training, you can see him kind of becoming more like impressed with the fact that she's still doing it so much, yeah, and she's kind of getting used to the pain.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she's like not stopping as much, I mean like, maybe after like 20 tries she's like, but then she immediately continues doing and there's blood all over the wood. It's so good. And after a lot of hitting of the thick wood, we see her and Pai Mei eating rice. We never see her actually make it through the thick wood, though. No, yeah, they're eating rice. Her hand is like pretty much crippled, it's crushed, and she goes. She's trying to use chopsticks, but she like can't do it, so she throws them down and goes to eat it with her hand. She's like if you want to live like a dog and eat like a dog, then you can stay outside like a dog, and so she picks it. He like throws her food down, then gives her another bowl and she does it, and then she has to use both hands, but she's able to do it.
Speaker 2:And then paimei's like I am the genius. Yeah, well, because she's just using her other hand like her good hand yeah, well, I guess, I don't know, she's not left-handed. It's the one thing she can't do maybe he would have plucked her eye out of show to use their other hand.
Speaker 1:I told you not to use your left hand, um but now he respects her now, I guess. So it's like well, actually I put in my notes like does he, is he impressed by her or himself in this scene? Himself most likely. I feel like it was him, because this is the way he looks like damn, I'm a good trainer.
Speaker 2:I'm so great.
Speaker 1:She hasn't learned anything, but she's eating rice, and then we cut back to the present. That's really kind of all we get of they're doing like the little evil claw technique.
Speaker 2:They do the.
Speaker 1:They do like the little, oh yeah, and the silhouette of red behind them while they're doing it. Oh fuck, that rules god. Put people in silhouette and put a dope color behind it and I will just like furiously, j-o. Natalie was like please stop, and I was like I can't.
Speaker 2:Pai Mei is just teaching her his five point exploding clitoris technique oh god, it's like he was so great he destroyed my.
Speaker 1:He destroyed my ovaries. I took five steps and they exploded inside me. Or it's like he performs a thing I took five steps and they exploded inside me. Or it's like he performs a thing. It's like if you take five steps, you will be pregnant. It's like no, the seed will take hold. Hell yeah, that was hilarious, jason. We're going to win a potty for that. So now we're back to the present. She's still inside the coffin. The bride manages to remove her boots and the belt tying her feet together. Uh, she takes out a straight razor hidden in her boot and uses it to cut her hands free.
Speaker 1:She shaves her face first, so smart this is yeah, she's like I gotta do my arms it's fress seatbelt um, yeah, great, love it. It's like oh, thank god you wore um, you wore cowboy boots. Yeah, I got a boot knife. I was so lucky one.
Speaker 2:The fact that like boots are kind of bigger so it probably wasn't wrapped on her, so taking the boots off probably gave like gave like an inch oh yeah, from the tightness, slip out of the belt it's like hell yeah, she's prepared, yeah she's like fuck yeah, man, she's getting ready to punch through a wood so she starts knocking on the what if she just used the knife to like kind of scrape at it?
Speaker 1:that's the other thing I was like you could just probably cut something, just get it started. So yeah, after she unties herself, she starts like beating on the coffin trying to find, like I guess, a spot where there's not as much dirt. I'd assume she's trying to find like a hollow spot. So I guess like if she hits it she'll have, she'll be able to like kind of lift up and swim out or whatever. But yeah, so she starts doing the thing where she puts her the tip of her fingers at the wood and then she closes them.
Speaker 2:So how many times have you tried this? Since you've seen the movie, I have definitely tried it.
Speaker 1:I know the first time I watched it I was like I could do this right. This is probably easy. I think I did it like outside me and one of my friends we were kind of doing it on like a two by four Can't do it. I do not sustain the ability to do it.
Speaker 2:I did it straight through a saltine cracker.
Speaker 1:Hell yeah, dude, god, you're strong, you must work out. I did have to get it wet, but eventually, like her hand's completely bleeding, it's all over the wood and she cracks it.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, it's gross. You see the skin of her knuckle like hanging off.
Speaker 1:Yucky, but she's able to crack through it and the dirt starts falling on her and when I watched it the first time, I was like okay, now you're going to be covered in dirt.
Speaker 2:But I guess Pai Mei taught her the ability to swim through earth and it looks like she's swimming through a lot of dirt and the hole's not that deep. You could just kind of stand up.
Speaker 1:I mean, I guess it's like six feet right? Yeah, she should pretty much just stand up.
Speaker 2:You could just stand up, but it looks like she's just swimming up through a water Like 20 foot of dirt.
Speaker 1:So I get that. I'm assuming someone could. Probably it doesn't seem like very thick wood. It seemed like all this old timey you know what you see in a Western or something, and it seemed like the cheapest and thinnest of plywoods that they used. But I'm wondering so, when the dirt falls on her, is this possible? Can you swim through dirt like this?
Speaker 2:I mean, I guess if the dirt is being displaced so fast you can, I guess it'd be much easier to move through if it's moving and you're moving.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I just feel like it immediately crushes you, because then you also have wood all over you, so I just feel like it immediately crushes you, because then you also have wood all over you. So you have to like you'd have to hurry up so fast to like move the wood out of the way and stuff and stand up from a laying position. Yeah, this is when I turned to Natalie and I was like I think this might be the most unrealistic part of this movie.
Speaker 2:What do you think about the guy who's walking a person come out of the cemetery.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah, because she gets out, her arm emerges from it, she's like and she's able to get out. It's crazy, love the whole thing. So after she crawls out, she's covered in dirt and walks into a diner and sits down and is like can I have a glass of water? So funny.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's. Maybe might be the first time he's seen someone. This happened to someone, but I don't know.
Speaker 1:It's like what do you explain? I just rolled in some dirt. No, it's just buried alive. I just got lost in the desert. Um, and then we cut to chapter nine. L and I, the bride, walks a great distance across the desert and through the mountains. She reaches bud, trailers bud's trailer in time to see l arrive. L enters the trailer and gives bud a red suitcase full of money he makes. Well, we see him making margaritas and like a blender and serves them in like mason, giant mason jars, like jelly jars or whatever. And while she's examining, the sword.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's like, I got a million dollars. I'm going to blow this place up and a snake yeah.
Speaker 2:I keep forgetting about the snake.
Speaker 1:He doesn't know about that yet. And then he's kind of asking her a thing. It's like oh, so now that we're retired? It's like what do you feel more? Relief or regret? She says she's like both. It's like no, I said which one do you feel more?
Speaker 2:She's she didn't get to kill her. Well, that, I think, is just like I'm not sure if they're trying to say that they regret being an assassin or if they regret retiring. Yeah, I think it's something like that. You know, she really wanted to kill her and I think because he took away, maybe that's why she killed him. She took away her revenge.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, Well, they do kind of say that Revenge is kind of like what they all seek, they all. They kind of hold it a very high regard. I think because they're assassins there.
Speaker 1:And once you retire, just like I need to feed, I had the need to feed with blood. I guess it's just like oh, so I just don't kill anybody anymore.
Speaker 2:Now, what do I do now? Um, I guess it's just like oh, so I just don't kill anybody anymore.
Speaker 1:Now what do I do? Now? I gotta work at a titty bar. Yeah, exactly so he. Then they go back and he's like she's like all right, cool sword, and he's like money. Then he goes and he's opening the suitcase, gloats over the money. He's just like looking at, he's laughing, it's great and it's like yay, but go, go buy yourself a house or something.
Speaker 2:I went to go back to my job.
Speaker 1:Yeah, spent it all on Barbara, but then he lifts a couple more bills out and then bam, there's a snake. It scared me honestly. Watching it last night I was like, oh crap, I forgot. Then it goes and it's a black moth snake and it gets him like three times in the face, like twice, like over one eye, and then one right in the cheek.
Speaker 2:I thought it was so fun how she because at this point, when she says I looked up some stuff about snakes on the internet.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she always has a little notepad.
Speaker 2:I was expecting almost expecting her to pull out like an iPhone.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and start scrolling. It's like do you see this? Do you see this? Do you this? Do you see this? Do you see this? But yeah, she's got a notepad with all these snake facts. He said you have four hours to get some venom if it bit you in the ankle or something, and only if it gave you 15 milligrams of venom. It's like, but this has like 120 to 140 milligrams and he got you three times in the face it was like between 100 and 400, yeah, something like that.
Speaker 1:And then she's like so I say you got about a few minutes to live. And then she's like, before he dies, l tells him that she is sorry that such a piece of shit as himself was the one who managed to kill the bride.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she deserved better. She wanted to be the one to take her out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think it's just like there's this warrior code, yes, I guess between L and the bride. It's like she felt that she was a better fighter than the bride, but yeah, but she was always super jealous that beatrice had.
Speaker 1:You know bill's love, love yeah I guess affection and attention all the well, at least more of it than she did, yeah, so she phones bill and tells him that the bride has killed his brother, but that she l has killed the bride, um. L also reveals the whereabouts of the final resting place of the bride. She's like just go down to a nice uh uh flower shop and then buy some flowers and go to the grave of paula schultz and mentions the bride's real name for the first time Beatrix Kiddo.
Speaker 1:And this is where we get the shot of her in the school and he's like thank you, oh God, I love it when he opens the door and it's just feet flying at you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh God, it reminds me there's this old Godzilla movie where they're like in the little costumes and he's like doing a drop kick from like 200 yards away. And he's like doing a drop kick from like 200 yards away and it's like but that's essentially what happens, because she opens the door and then you just see the shot of, of course, of her feet flying at her and it's so gross and dirty, though, and then they end up having like a long vicious fight.
Speaker 1:That's like destroying the entire trailer. Love it, I love enclosed space fighting with a bunch of breakable stuff. They're like falling through the walls into the bathroom, destroying the entire bathroom. There's not even enough room to take out the sword. Yeah, they keep trying to take out the sword or Elle does, and it just keeps hitting and it's like god dang it, it's like trying to play pool in a room that wasn't built for it.
Speaker 1:Well, it's just funny because she's so excited to use the sword. She's like I just want to be able to use it. And so, after they're having this long fight, there's a low lull in the fight and Beatrice asks Elle how she lost her eye. And Elle says that Pai Mei ripped it out because she offended him. She called him a. What was it? What did you call him?
Speaker 2:It was like a foolish old man or something, a salty old fool or something like that and he's like, yeah, Elle tells Beatrix that she poisoned yeah.
Speaker 1:Elle tells His death was really funny. Yeah, he tells her that he poisoned Pai Mei in revenge and he died because he put like poison in a fish head.
Speaker 2:And she's like you bitch yeah, I love it when he, when he finally dies.
Speaker 1:He's just like like a classic old kung fu film when they die, yeah, and then so they continue to fight. But I do love, because El got the upper hand and she goes and runs to get the sword and she's finally able to unsheathe it and now it's like time to fight. And so now she has the sword and then in a golf bag the bride finds another katana inscribed to my brother, the only man I ever loved, and because apparently Bud did not sell it after all, this is Claire's underwriter, yeah, it's Claire's. It has like a coupon in it 50% off your next inscribed sword. So they decide to face off. Elle relishes the irony of killing the bride with her own sword. However, they get in close range, something in this movie you should not do, because this whole movie is about hey, I've learned how to fight really close up. The bride plucks out.
Speaker 2:Elle's remaining eye, and then steps on it that shot right where she's like they're looking at each other in the eyes and you can see like, oh shit, why don't I just get her eye? Yeah, why don't I just get it?
Speaker 1:she'll be blind.
Speaker 2:And then rather than finish.
Speaker 1:She's so pissed oh man, my other eye. Yeah, and apparently this was all daryl hannah's idea, like with the whole plucking out the eye and like flipping out and stuff and leaving her alive, I guess was like her idea. She's like no, leave me alone, I want to live with no eyes and then I'm just gonna freak out in the in the bathroom, kind of assume that she just gets bit by the snake and dies.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because they do show the snake going.
Speaker 1:Well, and at the beginning she says there's only one left to kill, meaning that I guess Elle has died.
Speaker 2:Yeah, as far as she knows, she's just assumed it as well.
Speaker 1:Well, if not, she's stuck in the middle of the desert with no eyes and no water, and there's a snake in the thing, only margaritas.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just take um. Just take bill's or bud's job at the bar.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like dang it. You can't be a bouncer, it's a cold line I have to feel how tall you are, to see if I know you can get in here or not. So then we cut to the last chapter, face to face, the longest chapter. I love it, though. So in mexico, bride visits? Yeah, I do like Esteban, yes, played by Michael Parks, the guy that's the sheriff at the first movie, oh shit really same guy yeah, oh, wow.
Speaker 1:So in Mexico the bride visits the courtly retired pimp Esteban, bill's old mentor, and asks him to tell her where Bill is. And I love it because he's like Bill has a thing for father figures. He has many of them, and this is one. And then there's like a whole bunch of talking about stuff, a lot of metaphors and what not, and he says that Bill always had a thing for blonde women and things like that. And then he finally agrees because he thinks Bill would surely like to see her and he's like I don't think that's the case. He's like.
Speaker 1:I think he does he's like.
Speaker 2:I don't think that's the case. He's like I think he does. He's real fucked up. He was. He's like a very charismatic character. I really like how like he's, how smooth he is with like, yeah, he's got that classic talker and talk, yeah. And then he's like, oh, he shot you, I just want to cut your face a little bit. Yeah, he calls over clarita and her face is looks awful man.
Speaker 1:Holy shit, let me get that drool for you yikes. And then she's like why'd you show me that? Yeah, and apparently this is an actual place in Mexico. Um, that's a uh, and those are actual, real prostitutes in the scene.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so it's like an actual thing. Just a little bit of facts there Interesting. Yeah. So she shows up to Bill's house. It's like I guess it's kind of like a gated community Cause there's like a valet and stuff and all that, and he goes in. She's walking through the house very carefully a gun in hand and she goes to shoot Bill. A gun in hand and she goes to shoot Bill. But it's shocked to tears when Bill and their small daughter, bebe, alive, both play, shoot at her with toy guns. She shoots her own daughter in the face and then, like I love this whole beginning because Uma Thurman is just crushing it she's alive, she's in such shock and she's so sad and like, by the time like happy and then like she shoots him. It's like Bill's like hey, mommy you got shot.
Speaker 2:You're supposed to die.
Speaker 1:And then I love her little like so good she's such a good actress man Like watching these two movies made me like damn, I gotta watch some uma thurman movies now, yeah, she's so good and it was just like a really sweet moment yeah, and it also makes you piss the fuck off at bill. I was like it's time to kill bill yeah, I've been edgelording us for so long.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well it's just like you know, because you've been having fun throughout this whole movie. And then like at the end of volume one, we know that the daughter's still alive, but then, seeing this, and then like him using the daughter as a kind of a shield, yeah, as a way of being like, well, maybe we can work this out. And it's like, hey, fucker you tried to kill me four years ago and then stole the baby out of my stomach and didn't tell me.
Speaker 2:Yeah it's like it is kind of nice that it gives her like a chance to be a mom for yeah, for a second.
Speaker 1:You get to see her for a second, yeah um, it's like, oh, we get to see if, because you know, at this point you're like all right, they're probably gonna end up killing each other at this point. But now it's like, well, she has to survive, she has to yeah, and this, this little four-year-old girl can't sleep through anything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, because there's like gunshots and she doesn't wake up. It's a cool ass gun, super cute kid, though yeah. Yeah, there's one part which I guess we'll get to it. So they go and they make bb a sandwich, like I love it. They like prolong this whole conversation just so that you know the beats are hitting, like whenever he's like cutting the sandwich and stuff.
Speaker 1:This conversation has to last as long as he's cutting the sandwich. It's just something that I just feel like we should think about when we watch movies, like wow, they had to time this all out perfectly with making a sandwich, because you know you'll notice like they're messing up cutting it. They're having every edit. You know, I don't know, I think it's cool, it is cool Whatever. And then they start discussing the fact that Bibi killed her goldfish Emilio. She like just took him out, stepped on him, and I love it. There's one part where she says and then she stepped on him, and then she's Bibi's looking at Uma Thurman and she, and then she stepped on him and then she's Bebe's looking at Uma Thurman and she's like yeah, I did that.
Speaker 2:I did that. I'm cute. Whatever, I'm going to be an assassin.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I put my notch. Wow, she's going to grow up to be a serial killer, nah. And then he says like isn't that something, the visual? Because he says like she knew he died whenever she realized that he wasn't flapping on the ground anymore. And he's like isn't that such a great visual image of life and death a fish flapping on the carpet than a fish not flapping on the carpet? Um, I don't know, I really. I know that all these conversations are long, but I'm always like, fuck yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it is interesting that he's kind of given. He's kind of like telling Beatrix, like, what life has been with her daughter. Yeah, and this has got to be infuriating.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's just like bubbling over it almost feels like he's trying to talk her out of killing, yeah, but at the same time I feel like it's just making it worse. You know, yeah, I think he's making it worse on purpose. And so she gets to spend a good time with her daughter watching a movie, because she goes to lay her down. She's like I want to watch this movie with her, Of course she picks the longest movie.
Speaker 2:Yeah possible.
Speaker 1:Apparently they had like a. It was supposed to be the Aristocats that they were going to watch but Disney wouldn't let them do it and they're going to watch Samurai Jack, but it was a completely different movie that's actually funny, but movie yeah, in this movie it's kind of like what she's raised on yeah, so, um, eventually bb falls asleep and then the bride goes to speak with bill. He suggests that they fight on the beach at sunset like real warriors. Oh yeah, that's cool or was it sunrise?
Speaker 2:there's one of them, yeah. Well, I think either one would be neat, like the bathed in moonlight, yeah or at the sunrise. Yeah, the golden hour.
Speaker 1:so she goes for Bill's sword and he fires a warning shot and pins Beatrix down in her seat, then shoots her with a truth serum.
Speaker 2:She blows up that piece of fruit in front of her.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like I'm just, I'm just fucking with you, I ain't gonna kill you like this.
Speaker 2:He's like ah, joke, Gotcha.
Speaker 1:And then like ah, it's like, don't pull it out, or put one in her cheek. And then he gives this whole Superman speech. I feel like the point is that he says, like Superman saw humans as bumbling idiots, superman is great because he is just that Superman.
Speaker 2:Right, he's saying that she's she's always going to be a killer yeah, but he's wrong, just like how he's wrong about Spider-Man yeah. He's wrong about Beatrice yeah.
Speaker 1:Because he says she's a killer and her pretending to be normal won't work because she'll always be a killer. Here's the thing. So we do have this whole Superman speech and I feel like it doesn't hit as much, because now superheroes are everybody knows superheroes, everybody gets it Back. Everybody knows superheroes, everybody gets it back. Then it'd probably been like there's gonna be like a nerd in theater. Be like fuck, yeah, let's fucking go. We're talking about superman.
Speaker 1:There's also one nerd that was sitting there with his arm crossed, going uh-uh yeah but the the only problem with the speech is is that he spends like seven minutes saying it and then his next monologue is essentially him just saying what he was just saying in the superman speech. Yes, so it's just like he just keeps layering it, layering it, layering it on, layering it on that it's like you're a killer, you're a killer, you're a killer and it's like, okay, we get it yeah, it was funny, though, uh, beatrix is finally like oh okay, now there's the point.
Speaker 2:yeah, yeah, now I get it.
Speaker 1:You know, you can say that. Yeah, you could have just got to the point but it seems like that's what people like about Bill is that he's able to just go on long monologues and like, wow, you're so interesting and knowledgeable, you know.
Speaker 2:But a younger Bea would have fallen for that, yeah.
Speaker 1:So he asked if she, because then now we got the truth serum. He asked if he, if she enjoyed killing the other people on her revenge list. The truth serum forces her to admit that she did and she's just crushing this whole scene because she's like she's fighting.
Speaker 2:She's fighting it.
Speaker 1:And then she's like trying not to say it and she's just crying and like I did, it was great. And then he gets to the question. He's the point now and he's asked bill, ask her why she left him. And she says because she wanted to keep their child safe, not wanting her to grow up to be an assassin like them. And it's just like you had no right to take my child. It's like I had every right. And then, uh, we get a flashback because he kind of explains that the whole point of when she found out she was getting pregnant, because she felt sick going on this assassination mission, oh yeah. And she discovers that she's pregnant with, like you know, a little pregnancy test.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the shotgun lady, yeah, and another assassin comes in.
Speaker 1:Karen Kim shoots a hole in the door with a shotgun. Such a Karen move. Yeah. So Karen the bride pointing her gun at Karen convinces her.
Speaker 2:Yes, thank you, manager.
Speaker 1:So she's able to convince her that she's pregnant. It's like, look, we're going to kill each other at this point if we do this. I just want you to know I'm pregnant. You can go look. You can go look at the pregnancy test over there. She goes.
Speaker 1:She awkwardly, is like stumbling around the bracket easily to shoot her at any point. She picks it up, looks at it, it's like I don't know what this fucking means Goes to the box like, oh so you are pregnant, like she's able to persuade her, to persuade her to walk away. And then she walks outside, like the door slowly closes to reveal Karen's face and he's like congratulations.
Speaker 2:And like runs away like I don't know it's so sweet I wonder.
Speaker 1:I want to know how many times it took them to get that shot perfect because that door is perfectly closing. I'm like, did they have a string on it? Like I just want to know how they did that, because it was amazing, that was cool. So, yes, now we're back to the present. She tells him she would never expect him to actually kill her.
Speaker 2:Um, I didn't, I didn't think yeah, it's like I didn't think you'd actually do it.
Speaker 1:Bill says he mourned her for three months thinking that she she died on the mission he's like and which is pretty fucking messed up to make me think the love of my life is dead. I'm like, oh, bill's got a point here for a little bit. It is dead. I'm like, oh, bill's got a point here for a little bit. It's like, oh yeah, that would really suck. Be like oh, the girl I love is dead. Turns out, I don't know, she just went off to marry someone else and has my baby.
Speaker 1:Okay, so for a second. You're like I get Bill being a little mad here, maybe.
Speaker 2:I'll shoot her, though Maybe he shouldn't have shot her, maybe like file for custody?
Speaker 1:I don't know there's a billion different ways to do it um, but then after the morning he was going to hunt down the killers but instead found her getting married and that she was pregnant. He says that he then overreacted. Yeah, it's like a big, pretty big fucking overreaction don't you think, bill?
Speaker 2:I don't know he's serious sitting up in a chair like the fuck?
Speaker 1:you say yeah and then he says I'm a killer. I'm a killer, a murdering bastard, and there's consequences for breaking the heart of a murdering bastard. He's got a point there. I mean, it's you know, if there's everybody knows how bad bill is, and it's like, well, you kind of you kind of knew he's going to come after you eventually, right, yeah, I guess. And that's why that's when he's like he says Bill says was my reaction really that surprising the bride? Yes, it was. Could you do what you did? Of course you could, but I never thought you would or could do that to me Bill. Really, really sorry, kiddo, but you thought wrong. It's just like damn. So there's like one thing that she thought he would never do, which is kill her, but it's just like did you not see the anime cut scene that?
Speaker 2:we saw.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's crazy yeah, it's like you know, if you're ever hanging out with a bad guy, don't think that they're gonna not be bad around you just because they're your friends or your lover, right you?
Speaker 2:mess with them they're gonna turn evil yeah, she was young and naive four years ago, I guess. Yeah, she, she had a lot of uh of uh growth during her coma period. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Her brain really formed there. So I assume she's like in her early 20s before the coma and then probably is like a little over late 20s after the coma. She then says you and I have unvisionist business. That's what she said to O-Ran too. Baby, you aren't kidding.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, the only so obviously I think that says that the two people she cared for the most in the deadly vipers assassination gang she says it to oren and that's the most emotional fight she has in that one and then the most emotional fight is in this one with bill. So it's like obviously she liked these two people and she didn't want to have to kill them, but they they tried to kill her. What?
Speaker 2:are you going to do? Revenge, has to be, has to be had, yeah. And then the chair fight.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so we're at the climax of a brief skirmish during which both remain seated. She strikes him and they like kind of use their swords for a second. She kind of knocks him over and she kind of knocks him over. She gets back up and then all of a sudden she sees a thing and it's like boop, bop, boop, boop, bop, boop, bop. She uses the jack black, comes out and starts scatting. How did you know my weakness?
Speaker 2:no, it was badass, though. Like after his first swipe, she like falls back and then uses her sword to prop her back up. That was so fun, so rad.
Speaker 1:And then she uses the five point palm exploding heart technique. Say that five times fast, no, five point palm exploding.
Speaker 2:I can't say it once fast.
Speaker 1:Jack Black get out of here, but it's great. And then Bill's like you didn't tell me.
Speaker 2:You didn't tell me, he taught you that.
Speaker 1:It's like oops, that motherfucker. And then she tells Bill that she did not mention that Pai Mei taught her the technique because she's a bad person. And then Bill's like no, you're an incredibly great person.
Speaker 2:In my mind at this part. I thought she said like a girl's got to have her secrets or some shit, but no, she's just like I'm a bad person.
Speaker 1:It's like I'm a bad person. No, no. I think it's like maybe in the back of her mind she's like I may need this against him one day. You never know.
Speaker 2:Diabolical.
Speaker 1:It's just like. You know I watch Survivor. You know someone always gets immunity idle. They tell like 500 people and it's the downfall of them every single time. She did perfect, she did great. People that go on Survivor watch kill Bill.
Speaker 2:Do you think she knew that he was like? Did she know, when she went to Pime, that he had never taught it to anyone?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, because Bill says that to him, he won't teach that to anyone. Yeah, yeah, because Bill says that to him, he's like she won't teach that to anyone. Yeah.
Speaker 2:So like whenever he does teach it to her, she's like oh, I'm the only other person on the planet that knows this and I think if she told Bill that she learned it, he would just use it against her.
Speaker 1:He'd be like you have to teach me now. Yeah, so it works. And also, you know, you never know you might have to kill the money, so don't teach him how to do it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're always going to have to kill your master.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly that's it. It's called Kung Fu baby Darth Maul. So then they share an affectionate farewell before he goes off and takes five steps and falls down dead. You think what if he would have got out the phone and was like call 911? It's's like I need a wheelchair. I can never step again. You will carry me everywhere.
Speaker 1:I was thinking that because like then you know they have their whole speech and he's like how do I look? And it's like I'm sorry, I love you and stuff like that. And then she's like crying and sad. I'm like don't be fucking sad, this guy's a dick dude. You finally did it, but always I was just like. I was like you know what, go take your daughter, I'm just gonna for a while. Also, could you bring me some food and snacks, maybe a couple of different drinks?
Speaker 2:No reason, but you know it's just like.
Speaker 1:But I mean, I guess at that point it's like well, everything I love is dead. So I'm never getting this back so I'm going to just go die. But I really love him, just like slowly walking with a little bit of swagger, and then it's like, because I counted the steps as he's walking, I was like one, two, three, four, five when he died.
Speaker 2:What about the little half step he took? Whatever he was turning around, did that not count?
Speaker 1:it doesn't count it didn't say, turn around half steps until you die so then we cut to the next. Well, we see her go to BB and then she walks to her car and then cuts to next morning. Cut to BB watching cartoons in the hotel room. We see, beatrix, do you remember that cartoon? Have you ever seen it? I have seen it, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't have no idea what it's called. I used to have that video. Really, that's awesome.
Speaker 1:So then we see Beatrix is laying in the bathroom floor happy crying. She's like teddy bear, she's just like saying thank you and stuff she's talking to you, god, I think she's just revenge, the world, the revenge god. Just she's just saying, maybe herself, I don't know.
Speaker 2:Let me ask you a question. Whenever you talk to yourself, how do you address yourself? Do you say jesse, you got this. Or do you say hey, you got this? Or do you say hey, you got this, or I got this, or we got this? I think I do all of it yeah.
Speaker 1:Don't you hate when you find yourself talking to yourself and you're like I'm in public, why am I doing this? Or when I'm at work, I'll be thinking and I'll notice I'll be moving my mouth while I'm thinking and I'm like fuck, I look insane. Yes, and I know if someone sees you doing it, they're going to be like wow, he's weird, he's talking to himself and I'm like everybody does it.
Speaker 2:That's what I think when I see someone on the phone talking through their earbuds. Yeah, that's true. Until you realize it, you're like, oh shit.
Speaker 1:I know my mom always talked to herself a lot, and I think that's where I get it, because I do talk to myself a lot, especially when I'm alone. Yeah, I do quite a bit. There's been times where I was growing up in the living room and I just hear my mom talking and I'm like who are you talking to? Are you talking to me? She's like no, but then there'll be instances where she is talking to me and I'm just like she's talking to herself, she, but that's where I get my talking to myself from.
Speaker 1:So back to the movie. She's finally free of Bill and has the one thing she always wanted BB. They just kind of watch some cartoons on the couch or on the bed in a motel. Then we cut to black and it says the lioness has rejoined her cub and all is right in the jungle. That was weird. The end it's from a movie. Oh, okay, I think it's just some old samurai movies. All right, kind of use a lot of that language. It just came out of left field for me. Yeah, I'm sure it's some movie that Quentin Tarantino watched that only like three other people have watched. It's where he gets most of his stuff from movies at this point.
Speaker 2:And that's volume two. Yeah, we're going to move on to our categories. Did you watch the ending credits? Yes, where?
Speaker 1:they do like all the characters. Oh yeah, and you have all that and it's great. And then it's just her driving, yeah, and then, if you, there's actually an after credit scene. Oh, I didn't say that long. Oh, it's just after the almost like behind the scenes of her getting ready to poke out the guy's eye from volume one and it kind of does it and it's just kind of an outtake of her doing it.
Speaker 2:Like a blooper reel.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it's like in black and white.
Speaker 2:It's pretty funny, it's fine, it's off his nose. Yeah, got it.
Speaker 1:It's mine now.
Speaker 2:Smell you later.
Speaker 1:All right, we're going to hit up our two categories and land this damn plane baby. So the first category the good, the bad, the ugly, the fine. The good is something we liked about the film, the bad something we didn't like. The ugly something that didn't age well. Fine, something that did age well, what do you got For?
Speaker 2:good, I really like the Pai Mei.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's so fun. It was really fun. It was so funny. The beard yeah, it was a beard.
Speaker 2:Giant eyebrows. Yeah, I really liked that part. I don't know, yeah, I guess that's yeah.
Speaker 1:I put there's a lot of good stuff too. The good, I mean I think the best thing in this whole movie is probably Uma Thurman.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she's great, she just crushes.
Speaker 1:She's so good, her emotional scenes hit. And then Daryl Hannah I think she was really fun in this one. I think like her acting was kind of worse than the first one, but in this one was way better, even though they filmed all at the same time. And then the one shout out to the thing the fight. I mean there's really not that many fights, but the trailer fight just rolled. Yeah, it was great.
Speaker 1:Having things actually like destroy makes a fight way better. Kind of reminds me of since you know there's talk about Superman. Did you watch Batman versus Superman? No, so I feel like there's a little bit of complaint that they were fighting in a bathroom a lot during it, but because they're just destroying the small bathroom, it looks so rad. And then you cut to the other fight scenes and it's always like out on the streets and it's way too big and bombastic, or they're in like a just an empty field and it's like destroy things. And I just kind of really like fight scenes like this where it's just in a small space and you're just fighting. It's so good. And then, obviously, quentin Tarantino is a good director and for the bad, all I had is too much mommy talk towards the end From David Carradine oh man, what do you got?
Speaker 2:I don't know if there's, it's not a lot of bad in that movie Not a lot of bad.
Speaker 1:I thought that maybe some dialogue, some of the dialogue, went too long without making any real points it'd be yeah it'd be cool, we could probably definitely cut like 20 minutes out of this movie if we really wanted to, or just make it leaner that, or just maybe told the story in a slightly different way that got the point across faster.
Speaker 2:Got the point across faster.
Speaker 1:I don't know. It's funny. I feel like that should be something that I'm usually saying in a movie. I guess it's just whenever. You know, I enjoy Quentin Tarantino's dialogue, so it's all. I don't know. Fun for me to listen to, I guess.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I just found myself getting bored at some points, Gotcha yeah.
Speaker 1:I understand. I think that's kind of the critique of this movie for a lot of people a lot slower than I really loved the first one. They're like, oh, this other one. They're like it's like one fight and then it's just talking the rest of it.
Speaker 2:I'm like, yeah, that's like all his movies, that's, that's kind of what made me think that they ran out of shit to talk about well, if you think, I mean think back to pulp fiction there's not much happens this is a bunch of small conversations and then they'll be like one thing happens which just leads to five more conversations.
Speaker 1:That's how he got famous was just being really good at dialogue and stuff. Okay, that's how he wins his first oscars and things like that.
Speaker 2:Maybe that's what I don't know. I just didn't think the dialogue was that great.
Speaker 1:Yeah, at the end I can understand too much superman talk. I get it. It's supposed to be this, this cumulant to a superman talk.
Speaker 2:It's supposed to be like this accumulation, like you got into the final boss battle, yeah, and you're just like uh, yeah, come on it's like man, you really blew your load on the first movie, but I think there was there was.
Speaker 1:There was no fight.
Speaker 2:That was going to be better than the crazy 88 so well, but I mean you, yeah, I mean that's it could have been the emotional, but you feel like for a bot, for like the final kill? Yeah, I just thought maybe it was gonna be more intense yeah, no, I get that.
Speaker 1:I don't know, because a part of me even though I do love how it ends also has been like man. It really cool to get that, that, don't that?
Speaker 2:uh, sun, sunset, fight, you know, during golden hour like some coolass music and some beats and them fucking slashing each other.
Speaker 1:Or is it just going ham over there? All right, bring the motherfucking rock. So what do you got for?
Speaker 2:the ugly. There's nothing really that ugly about it, except for Pai Mei was a little bit racist against Japanese people, hello, racist.
Speaker 1:Sexist, definitely. That was definitely one of mine also.
Speaker 1:I put you know, obviously, harvey weinstein, I'm gonna say every time he produced a movie that we watch and then even reading the little fact earlier about him not giving the video to uma thermos so that she can be like, hey, these people fucked me. I'm suing them. Um, and I will say, you know, it ages poorly because we're all so tired of hearing people talk about superheroes and they're using flip phones. So I did put the Superman speech because it's like it had been cool then, but now it's just like okay, we know who he is. Right, it's like when I watched the movie Glass oh, yeah, yeah, samuel L Jackson, and it's M.
Speaker 1:Night, that's Samuel, yeah, yeah, and it's M Night. And there's like this whole conversation about comic books and it's like we know. It's like if you made this back when you made Unbreakable, it'd be like, yeah, not a lot of people read comic books it's not like in pop culture as much, but in that one it's like you just spent 10 minutes of your movie explaining superheroes and comic books. It's like we know. So when it gets to this, it's like, yeah, we know who Superman is, even though so yeah, I watched Glass, but I don't remember anything about it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's bad, but I also kind of like it.
Speaker 1:So I don't know, it's horrible and I love it.
Speaker 2:Just waiting for the twist at the end to be cool. It wasn't, it wasn't. I don't remember.
Speaker 1:It wasn't, it wasn't too great of an ending of that movie. But then, but also, I kind of think about it and I'm like I want to rewatch it. So I don't, I don't know, I'm not, it's just got control over my brain sometimes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I didn't finish it. I barely started it because I kind of want to watch it now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I haven't watched it. It's fun. I'm not sure if it's supposed to be scary or a comedy, but it's funny.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the way they were talking about it seemed kind of funny.
Speaker 1:Well, it's just like what are we doing here? Josh Hartnett's great in it, though. I love him, yeah, so the Fine, what did you think? Aged well?
Speaker 2:I mean, I think these movies together, kind of Kill Bill 1 and 2, I think they aged well.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean we're watching them, now we're talking about them.
Speaker 1:That's what I was saying. I said like it's a pretty damn good sequel. I personally think so and I just think like the movie it's always considered. Like you know, when people talk about Kill Bill, they always say, yeah, volume one's good, volume two's not as good. But then it's like I watched it and I was like man, I still really enjoyed volume two.
Speaker 2:So I guess technically the movie Together they make a really great afternoon.
Speaker 1:It would be fun to like re-edit the movie like ourselves, like just like download movies and then just kind of re-edit them into the order that you want to make maybe the pacing a little better. That would be fun because I mean the timeline's all over the place in the movie anyways, we're just constantly cutting back to different things. I'd like wonder if it'd be like better if we cut it differently but I mean not saying it's bad but I don't know.
Speaker 1:So we're going to hit our next category, double feature. It's where we recommend a movie that goes along with Kill Bill volume two. So I picked a movie. I remember randomly getting this one movie from Hastings back in the day it was used. Oh good old Hastings. And I was like oh man, this movie has Michael Fassbender, ewan McGregor and Channing Tatum, michael Douglas, antonio Banderas.
Speaker 2:Dang, and it's like the sexiest movie ever made. What is this?
Speaker 1:Yeah, and also Gina Carlo, whatever ever have Carano, whatever her name is, she's was a UFC fighter, she she got canceled for I guess being a Republican I don't remember what her thing is, but it's and it's directed by Steven Soderbergh, who did oceans 11 and stuff like this. Oh yeah, and it's essentially a black ops super soldier seeks payback after she is betrayed and set up during a mission. So the fights in this like the it's not like edited to death. It's so it's not like edited to death. So it's very like wide shots and you see all the action and stuff happening. That's cool and I love the action. It's slow, it's a Steven Soderbergh movie, so that's just the way his movies are. But I don't know, I love the fight scenes in it. It's so good. So if you haven't seen Haywire, check it out. It's just about a woman going around fighting all these hunky men and it rules well, I guess, if you wanted to watch another sequel, that was pretty good.
Speaker 2:Rush hour 2, I thought, was pretty good yeah, rush hour movies.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the first two rush hours.
Speaker 2:Rule third one I don't think it's not as good third one, but I love those movies.
Speaker 1:Those movies are so funny, or bad boys too. That was all right. I need to re-watch the bad boys movies. They're not like in my lexicon. I need to check them out, though, and that concludes our conversation on volume two Kill Bill, baby. We did our first movies of Quentin Tarantino, so we're in that sequel mode, baby. So I think we should do another part two. And it's a holiday season, and last year during December we did gremlins one yeah, so this year we're doing the crazier and wackier.
Speaker 2:It's even possible, gremlins two I'm excited I haven't seen it yet?
Speaker 1:get ready for gremlins that are made out of electricity. Spider gremlins, um gremlins. Gremlins that change their sexuality and hunt after us. Trans gremlins, yeah it's a transhuman and it's wild Hulk Hogan's in it. Oh wow, it's Hulk Hogan in the 80s and 90s.
Speaker 1:He has to it's on max, so you can watch it on max today. So make sure you check us out for gremlins 2. It's wacky, it's on max, so you can watch it on max today. So make sure you check us out for gremlins 2. It's wacky, it's fun and it's time for december. Baby. Wow, this year went by fast. But leave us a review. Guys. Wherever you're listening to us on, just pop that five star review on there. Seriously, it really helps us like grow, like the more reviews we have, the more like we're in the algorithm at that point.
Speaker 2:Jesse's getting bigger by the day yeah, every five star review I grow 0.1 centimeter oh, you're so huge I can't even fit in this room, the big boy.
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