We Recommend: A Movie Podcast
We Recommend is a movie podcast where every week Jesse and Jason discuss a movie that they love and recommend you to watch and then come back and listen to their podcast!
We Recommend: A Movie Podcast
Kiss Kiss Bang Bang
This week, join us as we explore this modern noir classic, sharing personal anecdotes and dissecting the remarkable performances by Robert Downey Jr., Val Kilmer, and Michelle Monaghan. From Robert's tumultuous career path to Val's candid portrayal of Gay Perry, this episode promises laughter, insights, and a fresh perspective on revisiting cinema gems.
Picture this: a chaotic Hollywood party, a severed finger, and a witty tête-à-tête between unlikely partners. Our character analysis takes a sharp turn, highlighting the unorthodox charm of Shane Black’s storytelling. Val Kilmer’s comedic prowess shines through, providing a refreshing twist to the noir genre. We offer a playful critique of how these dynamic performances and energetic banter shaped not just "Kiss Kiss Bang Bang," but also paved the way for the iconic dialogue seen in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
Have your say on the evolution of our podcast! As we wrap up the episode, we lean into the chaos of noir storytelling, explore the complexities of murder mysteries, and set the stage for upcoming changes. We cherish your feedback and invite you to connect with us via email or social media. Special shout-out to Joey Prosser for his fantastic intro and outro music, and a heartfelt thank you for joining us on this wild ride with the "We Recommend" podcast team.
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Hey, it's Jesse here. Jason Crush that. So we were actually thinking about changing things up on the podcast. You know, I go through the entire plot just because I kind of like to do that myself, but I feel like maybe it's making the episodes really long and I don't know if people like that or not. You know, I don't know. Jason, if you like long episodes, if you like short episodes, I don't mind long episodes, but no sure I don like long episodes.
Speaker 2:or, if you like short episodes, I don't mind long episodes, but no sure I don't mind it, but I think it's important to try new things.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're thinking about potentially just going to where we hit like the big details of a movie, which a movie like kiss, kiss, bang, bang. I feel like there's a lot of intricacies throughout the whole thing. So it'd be like, okay, how do we do this one? But we're thinking about maybe just choosing like maybe five scenes from the movie and kind of discussing them instead of doing like a huge rundown of the entire movie. Um, and we're just curious what you guys think about that. So let us know if you want us to kind of just talk about certain scenes or if you want us to go through the entire plot of the movie and you can just like email us at we recommend mailbag at gmailcom or in well, that's also in the description. Just go to the bottom of the description our emails there or at the top of the description on things like spotify and apple podcasts, you can click the send us some fan mail, or click the link or whatever at the very top and you can let us know. It's like hey, keep it the same, I like it. Or you know like hey, no, yeah, switch it up. Just talk about scenes instead. Or if you have any other ideas, let us know. But yeah, so back to the show.
Speaker 1:Hello and welcome to the we Recommend podcast, a movie podcast, where every week we recommend a movie for you to watch and then come back here and listen to us discuss. I'm Jesse and I'm Jason. Wow, I feel sore. I mean physically, not like a guy who's angry in a movie in the 1950s Because this week we recommend Kiss, kiss, bang, bang.
Speaker 2:Hell yeah, I'm sore, not like a guy in the 50s who's been molested all month.
Speaker 1:Yeah, geez, luis, this entire movie is wrapped up in that. So what did you think of the movie First time, second time?
Speaker 2:Third time. I used to watch it quite a bit. It was one of my go-tos when I was a teenager. I used to love watching this movie.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:It was kind of smart, but watching it as an adult, as a full, real adult.
Speaker 1:It really makes you feel bad, it's kind of silly. I feel like it hurts. I mean I love all the you know fun like detective PI stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the noir stuff is cool.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's so fun. Robert Downey Jr is great, val Kim was great, michelle Monaghan's great, and then it's just like he keeps cutting back. Yeah, this woman was abused. This woman is like as a kid. I was abused as a kid. I was abused. I'm like Jesus.
Speaker 2:Christ, la is crazy. Yeah, I guess that's LA.
Speaker 1:I guess that's what Shane Black's trying to say and I'm assuming he he was like a big you know writer. Producer and stuff, a writer Like in the 50s. You know, lethal Weapon, long Kiss, goodnight Predator. He's done everything. He's the highest paid screenwriter ever, hell yeah, and they even actually used his mansion that's his mansion in the movie. Oh, was it at the party? At the party, yeah, nice.
Speaker 1:And he actually used to have big parties like this and that's what gave him the idea of doing something like this Nice Well, having a party there. But it's like you know it. You know, after all, the wine scene and stuff comes out and it's like, yeah, a lot of these directors and stuff kind of knew it and writers kind of knew and they subtly put it in a lot of their movies and I was like um, does this mean anything? What happened to his parties man? What um? Does this mean anything? What happened to his parties man? What does he know?
Speaker 1:California is so dirty, I'm sure he's heard a lot of stories like this People just leaving their homes Be like, yeah, I had to get out of there, so I came to LA, where it's never everything's safe and cool. Yeah, it never rained, so it must be safe, right? It's always warm, even during Christmas.
Speaker 2:God it sounds like hell. Yeah, a whale's vagina.
Speaker 1:But man, what a fun movie. Shane Black's very first feature, oh, shit Like as a director, yeah. Nice, and after that he just essentially did Iron man 3, and then the Nice Guys, and then the Predator movie that nobody liked. Yeah, oh wait, which one? With Michael Michael Keaton Key and Peele it's Key though. Yeah, it was that one that came out. It was like they're in modern America and stuff like that. Okay, nobody liked it. I haven't seen it.
Speaker 2:I haven't seen it either, I guess. But yeah, I have no fucking idea what you're talking about Okay.
Speaker 1:So what about this movie? Do you like?
Speaker 2:I do like the. I always love a mystery. I like Ropes me in every time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, nice to shoot ropes. Jesse loves ropes.
Speaker 2:Ropes, shoot them everything. Climate Gross. No, I do gross. No, I do like that. Um, I like the modern noir, I guess, and I I do like the. Uh, I like val kelmer's character. There's a lot of like, there's a lot of funny quips and, uh, it's like something about noir. It's kind of like sexy and gruesome and like yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's appealing, it's all. Noirs are always dark. Yeah, like, even like making it being like this fun movie wrapped around, being wrapped up in like horrible, like assault type things, yes, and it's like, well, that is kind of a noir thing. It's always like, yeah, someone did something really dark and it's like, dude, it's like everybody's got a really dark past. So, yeah, and man, I love la as a setting for a movie though, yeah, it's perfect, because it's like dude, fuck, it's like everybody's got a really dark past.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and man, I love LA as a setting for a movie, though, yeah it's perfect, it's always beautiful. It's full of insane people.
Speaker 1:It's huge and it's just like just the streets look dope. I don't know. There's something about LA that you just I want to go, at least once, yeah, same here Talk about how much I hate it.
Speaker 2:It's like, yeah, I couldn't drive anywhere.
Speaker 1:I did one thing. I can't afford anything. I did one thing one day because I couldn't get to anywhere else.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was just stuck. Yeah, I feel like a lot of people just get stuck there, yeah, and become unhoused.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I couldn't afford gas, so I just stayed.
Speaker 2:Hell, like a grilled cheese sandwich. There is like $17. Really, I heard that on another podcast.
Speaker 1:Better be a really good grilled cheese sandwich Fuck yeah, man With pickles and everything. Ew pickles on a grilled cheese sandwich.
Speaker 2:Have you never got one from Sonic?
Speaker 1:No, I don't go to Sonic for my grilled cheeses.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, it's been a while. Maybe they've taken the pickle away. My wife makes them.
Speaker 1:I try to make grilled cheese sandwiches, but I burn them every time. I can't do it.
Speaker 2:I tried making one for the kids once and I looked up a recipe on the internet, which is dangerous now that I understand, because they dip it in mayonnaise, and that's what I did and nobody liked it yeah. I don't understand.
Speaker 1:I don't know, that sounds gross.
Speaker 2:I don't like mayonnaise, yeah, but once you fry it up it was like it was kind of like a tang. It kind of gave it a tang, a tang, a dang tang.
Speaker 1:A dang tang. Well, so for me, the first time I saw Can we just keep talking about grilled cheeses.
Speaker 2:I mean, if that's what you want to do, we can be the. We recommend a grilled cheese.
Speaker 1:I do recommend it. So when I first saw this movie and it was, of course, after I saw Iron man, because even though I've seen a bunch of Robert Downey Jr's before, like I never saw this one and you- know, has any other movie made you wish that he was Iron man? Yeah, I mean it's obviously how he got the role right. I mean, jon Favreau saw him in this movie and like, essentially, like you're iron man dude like this is what we need for iron.
Speaker 2:I don't see how he gets that from this movie, but okay, I think this is like his his.
Speaker 1:You know his quips and you know he just comes off as like a snooty guy, which is what iron man was. Yeah, I think he's a billionaire yeah. Yeah, and I think he, you know, just perfect portrayal.
Speaker 2:But it's great, because, because, all billionaires are thieves.
Speaker 1:So you know Robert Downey Jr, he essentially got kicked out of Hollywood because he was a drug addict. Yeah, he was super into drugs. He had to go to rehab and stuff. Lots of alcohol too. Yeah, it was kind of everything. And this you know, because, yeah, he was having a big career. He was in that Charlie Chaplin movie. That was like I think he got him like Oscar I can, is it reckon recognition?
Speaker 2:Dang. I feel like.
Speaker 1:Robert Downey Jr, and so he had to go to rehab and everything and essentially his stock just plummeted. And then he I think the only movie he did in the 2000s before this was Gothica.
Speaker 2:Oh, that was okay. Yeah, he was in that.
Speaker 1:I've never fully seen that. Gothica's pretty good. I've put it on and fallen asleep quite a bit.
Speaker 2:Didn't the lady that played the main actress? She died Right In the making of that movie, or maybe, like right after.
Speaker 1:No, because it's what's her name. Halle Berry is in it.
Speaker 2:Oh, I was thinking of a different one, unless someone else in the movie died. No, I was thinking of a different movie.
Speaker 1:No, because Penelope Cruz is in it. John Carroll Lynch is in it. The guy from the Invitation, the big guy.
Speaker 2:And he also plays Zodiac.
Speaker 1:zodiac, that's fun, oh yeah, um, but yeah, and he did that. And then shane black was like, oh yeah, here be in my movie. And he's like, okay, and then it just restarted his career and now he's like one of the best guys ever.
Speaker 2:Well, that can I buy more drugs? Yes, I mean, he does have he has such a great story.
Speaker 1:It's like he was an up-and-comer. You know, his dad was kind of in hollywood. He always made kind of like really weird avant-garde movies, his dad there's actually a documentary on netflix about his dad. Really, yeah, that robert downey jr made I still need to watch it. Wow, yeah, cool, I need to watch. And he made like weird experimental uh movies and stuff. And then you know, I'm sure there's a bit of nepotism in it. And then you know, robert downey jr starts getting big, gets into drugs, goes to rehab, gets this movie, becomes iron man and eventually wins an Oscar for Oppenheimer. And it's like damn, that's a story I didn't know he won an Oscar. I don't watch the Oscars. Oh yeah, he won it last year for Oppenheimer. It was great.
Speaker 2:Everybody was super happy. Yeah, I still haven't seen Oppenheimer.
Speaker 1:And his speech was good and it was fun. He's just like it wasn't. Anything like that. Blast the audience with an Iron man beam. You guys think Iron man was cool? Fuck it, you nerds. Just kidding. Iron man is cool and for some reason he's coming back to the MCU. It makes no sense.
Speaker 2:What? He's dead. Yeah, I know Okay, but he's going to be in the fantastic. He's going to be the next Jarvis.
Speaker 1:He's Dr back as well. Okay, it was actually released today that he may be playing Nomad I don't know who that is which I guess is just like another character of Captain. America. I don't know, cool, we'll see. Who knows what these movies are going to do. But back to good movies and Val Kilmer man. This is probably like his best movie, his last, one of his last movies before he just like disappeared from everything because you know, he also had an issue with, like drugs and alcohol, and it's funny.
Speaker 1:Well, it's not funny. Well, because, um, yeah, hold on, let me see, yeah, there's really outside of kiss, kiss, bang, bang, everything after it other than top, the new top gun. There's nothing I really know him for. He's just done a bunch of small things and just some voiceover. God dang, he's been this bad. Oh, don't forget MacGruber. That's probably his worst movie, his last best movie, and I don't accept any other. He's in Love Guru. That, that great movie. I've not seen love guru, yeah, so, oh, he's in deja vu, I forgot about that. The um denzel movie yeah, okay, that was probably his last one which he did that a year after this movie. So, okay, well, he did some stuff. Michelle monaghan she's just great and she always, like, randomly, will pop up in a movie. I'm like dang where'd she go, how do?
Speaker 2:you feel about her script in this movie. What do you mean? Cause I was watching. I asked my wife to watch this movie with me and she was really upset about her, her character.
Speaker 1:Yeah, in what? Her a lot. Her character. Yeah, in what way?
Speaker 2:and that she was just kind of like, uh cool with everything that keeps happening to her, I guess, yeah, yeah, I think in a way that's exactly what it was like.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she's kind of just fine with being an object well, I mean, I guess it was just like she had the type of personality it's just like, well, life fucking sucks, um, I'm not gonna let it stop me. Type of person, and like she's constantly had life fucking sucks, I'm not going to let it stop me. Type of person, and like she's constantly had a goal right to get her sister out of everything. So it's like this dude grabbed my boot, but it doesn't matter, I have to get famous and rich so I can get my sister out, type of thing. That's such a sad story, yeah yes that's what she said.
Speaker 2:I didn't want to come out and say that because of course the guy wrote it.
Speaker 1:It's early 2000s where, like half the scripts did not have very good parts for women and they're always just kind of like and her character is definitely just like. Hey, she has to be like this for the plot of the movie to get our, uh, main character to point a and b and c.
Speaker 2:I see that and I do like her character a lot at some points, especially when she kicks that guy's ass. Yeah, yeah, that guy at the park, or whatever. Hell yeah, dude. Yeah, my wife didn't see that one, she was asleep. I should have woken her up for this one yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I can see that you know, like whenever Robert Downey Jr kind of like is squishing the spider on her boob and she's like, oh, it's okay, that's life, and it's like man has to tell woman how to live her life and be, a proper woman, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, his character is a whole other.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, he's, you know he's just doing his like what do you call it? Manic Robert Downey Jr thing, you know.
Speaker 2:I guess, yeah, he's kind of like a misogynist, but that's whatever.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's like, oh no, I need a lady to be a proper lady. Yeah, snatches her hat off. She's like I'm working. Well, no, that was like. It's like hey, I got to show you this video. It's like look, I can't take you serious with this Santa hat. I, I didn't think that one was that bad. She's like dude, we got to pay attention. It's like well, you dress as Santa.
Speaker 2:No, but like, come on, get over the hat, it's just a hat, All right, it's a funny line, though it's funny.
Speaker 1:Yeah, definitely. Yeah, of course, like the script and stuff doesn't age. Well, it's most noirs, don't?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Like especially I. I guess that's part of it. And it's early 2000s. So this is such an early 2000s script, yeah, where it's just like I don't know. It's like women are just mainly objects in the movie. Yeah, but she crushes it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she's awesome.
Speaker 1:I like her, she's funny and just I don't know she's funny sexy. She makes it work.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it'll probably come up, she. Yeah, that's, it'll probably come up yeah. She does it and she's like I'm solving this she also is like like the damsel in distress yeah, at the same time Like who are you lady? Yeah, well.
Speaker 1:I is she, though, cause I mean she stays away and then she gets in the car.
Speaker 2:She's taking action getting the casket, and then she's like she just yeets herself off of a bridge.
Speaker 1:I know, and it's like, she's like but then she's like the amazing herald come, save me, get me. Yes, well she's. She's like knocked out. Yeah, I guess, I mean I feel like in terms of hey, she's putting up a fight and she's doing a lot of things, then she jumped off a bridge and now she's hurt yeah, jumping off a bridge sucks. I a lot of things. Then she jumped off a bridge and now she's hurt. Yeah, jumping off a bridge sucks, I mean I feel like yeah, if they just used a better line.
Speaker 2:Be like hey, I'm down here and my legs hurt, are you OK?
Speaker 2:Because if you can walk, you should come get me. I had to talk my brother off a bridge, not because he was going to jump, but because he was rappelling off of a bridge. Uh, not because he was gonna jump, but because he was rappelling off of a bridge, oh cool, because he heard someone else did it from a rumor and thought it was fun. But there was like 80 feet of space between because he didn't bring a long enough rope, oh my god and between the ground and him and I was like and he's still was going to do it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's like I'm gonna jump like dude you're gonna die. But please don't do this. I wouldn't even understand. Like I'm gonna jump. I'm like dude, you're gonna die.
Speaker 1:Please don't do this. I wouldn't even understand, like once you see your rope's not long enough. What are you doing at that point? I know, but he went. Did he think 80 feet from was? It water Was there water.
Speaker 2:Below him. There was a trickle of water. I think the person who did it before that he heard about there was a lot of water.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and he landed safely. He probably had a lot of rope. Wow, you saved your friend's life, my brother, your brother's life Wow, really that's insane.
Speaker 2:He's an insane person.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and what do you think about Val Kilmer's character as Gay Perry? I really liked him. Talk about another thing that's not going to age well, there we go.
Speaker 2:No yeah no. I really liked gay Perry. I thought he was super cool, but like he's got, he's just kind of like a dirty private investigator.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and at this point, like there's really not a lot of people that lead a movie as a gay person at this point, so this was like especially a, you know, just like a crime thriller noir, it's like not a lot of things, which was pretty progressive and I guess they weren't overtly like.
Speaker 1:They didn't make them overtly like you know like it's just mainly in the dialogue where he he's like he'll just say some like off the wall things, but it always seems like it's in it's to kind of just creep out Robert Downey Jr, more so than it's like oh no, I'm not actually like this, it's just like I'm a normal gay guy and I just understand it makes you uncomfortable. So I'm just picking on you at this point because he doesn't really like him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and with, and I feel like the movie does pick on gay people a few times throughout the movie. Uh, which is kind of weird being la, which is like, yeah, kind of like the most progressive place on the in the united states, and I feel like that's why, like, they kind of make his character gay because it'd be like, isn't this crazy?
Speaker 1:how la have you ever seen a gay person before? What, oh my gosh? And he's a detective. How is that possible? Whoa what. But even though, with all of like the potentially things that don't age well, it's still a pretty darn good movie. Yeah, it was fun, it's really fun. It was a fun watch and I will say it's funny because my wife was like man, that was a long movie and I was like that was actually only an hour and 45 minutes.
Speaker 2:She's like what it felt so much longer.
Speaker 1:But I will say like, if you watch it like kind of close together more, it really starts Like so I watched it last night with my wife and then I watched it today to take notes, and watched it today to take notes and like the second time you watch it just really flies by and I think because the plot is kind of convoluted and complicated, which is kind of a noir thing of course but which I think what makes it harder to understand the plot is that they're all fast talkers in this movie, so it's like you could just really miss it.
Speaker 1:But I think whenever you first watch a noir mystery, you're kind of just trying to figure it out in your head, right, so it's making you feel like it takes longer. Once you know the story and you fully know it and understand it, it kind of just really the pace goes Just because it's funny, and like one fun scene leads to another fun scene.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, well, let's go to some factoids here. So so, as a show of support for Robert Downey Jr's recovery from alcohol and drugs, val Kilmer refused to drink during the entire production. Ah, what a friend. And the reason that he was so nice to him is that, apparently, val Kilmer and Robert Downey Jr met for the first time at a Hollywood party, and they kind of become buddies there. And a week later he received the screenplay for this film and agreed to do it before he'd even finished reading it. Upon agreeing, and much to his delight, he was informed that downy had already been cast as well. Nice, so they made it a party and it's like hey, we're gonna be in a movie now, let's be friends. That's cool, it's probably.
Speaker 2:It's probably a shane black party that'd be awesome to go to one of these parties and just like play beer pong with val kilmer. Hey pal, let well, robert wasn't doing that, no.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that'd be pretty great. It's like I'm just at the bar, I want to do a shot. Hey, you want to do one with me? Turns around Robert De Niro, Native American.
Speaker 2:Joe Pesci.
Speaker 1:So good. I do have some facts about that too, and so this is Robertbert downey jr's favorite movie of his own oh shit, and I think it's. You know it just did a lot to narrate, it did a lot for his film or his career and I guess he kind of just got to be you know a bit of what robert downey jr is, which is a fast talking, witty guy.
Speaker 2:Yeah and I think a lot of that came out in the narration.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I feel like, yeah, what do you feel about the narration?
Speaker 2:It's bad you don't like the narration.
Speaker 1:It was not great, yeah, but okay, you know it's whatever. I think it takes a second for it to kind of like sink in, that it's like it becomes part of the film and you're like okay. But at the start it's like of course he would narrate a thing like this. Um, so I guess the film's original title was called l-a-p-i, that's then bang. They called it. They're gonna call it bang. But it was actually val kilmer who suggested to director shane black that kiss, kiss, bang, bang would have more appeal yeah, yeah it does, and um.
Speaker 1:so robert downey Jr considered his role as Harry Lockhart his calling card to playing Tony Stark in the cinematic Marvel Cinematic Universe. While preparing to make Iron man, downey Jr's performance inspired director Jon Favreau to cast him in the role. So, yeah, that's how it happened. So Shane Black had been suffering from writer's block. It ultimately took him over a year and a half to write the script for this film. He then had an enormous trouble selling it and because he used to be known as the highest paid screenwriter, it ended up meaning nothing when he was shopping his screenplay around. Eventually he took it to producer Joe Silver, who gave him his first big break in 1987 when he bought Lethal Weapon Nice, and that's essentially because he had that you know, connection with Joe Silver. They were like, all right, yeah, we'll shop it around and we'll do it.
Speaker 2:I wish I knew more about business.
Speaker 1:Yeah, me too. All right, and for a last little fact. So, according to Shane Black, audience members lose their attention span every 28 minutes. Audience members lose their attention span every 28 minutes, and moments have to come in every half hour or so where they don't have to pay close attention and are able to get focused again. Oh man, I'm gonna start setting a timer, yeah. So I just wonder like if every little action scene comes up and it's like, okay, we can kind of like just go mindless for a second and then, oh fun, big bang, boom. And now they're talking big bang, boom, big bada boom and so that's a.
Speaker 1:That's pretty much, um, all like them fun facts. Really. Everything else is kind of like oh here, this song was in this movie and it's like, okay, cool, lame, yeah, um, so I'll just run down the cast real quick. So, directed and written by Shane Black Lethal Weapon.
Speaker 2:He wrote that Predator wrote that yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So you know, kind of a kind of a big, big guy here. This is first directed movie Stars Robert Downey Jr as Harry Lockhart, val Kilmer as Gay Perry, michelle Monaghan as Harmony Faith Lane, corbin Bernson as Harlan Dexter Dash I'm not you know what. That's pretty much everybody you need to know. I was just thinking, I was like everybody else. This has like five lines most yeah, yeah. All right, bro, are you ready to hop into the film? All right, kiss, kiss, bang, bang 2005. So the movie starts with a birthday party where some kids are performing a magic trick. This party looks awesome.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:They're going to cut this girl in half with a chainsaw.
Speaker 2:Looks like a real blade. Who gave a kid a?
Speaker 1:chainsaw People. These parents need to pay attention.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they don't give a fuck.
Speaker 1:And then, as they're about to start putting the chainsaw in this box, the girl, little girl, starts screaming her head off. She's like stop, stop, stop. And then, like her dad and everybody runs around her and says I'm going to be the best actor ever. And then her dad hits her, hits. Her. Middle of a party Must be the 60s or 70s, god damn, just immediately started, which is going to be the theme of this music movie Abusive fathers.
Speaker 1:Yes, and men God damn Men taking advantage of women throughout the entire movie Makes you feel great. Yeah, but luckily Robert Downey Jr and Val Kilmer and Michelle Monaghan make you laugh, just laugh through the page, kind of a gallows humor.
Speaker 2:We're all kind of abused right.
Speaker 1:I like dark humor, I mean it works right, everybody likes a little bit, yeah, all right. And then we start Day one. Trouble is my business. So we meet Harry. He's narrating his own story. He is nervously hanging out at a party next to a pool. He doesn't belong in, la, and it's obvious because he's like I, like it tells flicka yeah or not.
Speaker 2:Flicka, the girl, one girl, it's like hi hey, what do you do?
Speaker 1:hi, I'm retired, I invented.
Speaker 2:Dice yes, she's like okay see ya, I'm gonna go find someone better.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly um and then so we just kind of introduced other people. We meet Harry, or we meet Perry Van Strick, or Gay Perry. He's a PI and he works for this producer Penis. Yeah he's a penis Damn dude good one, we're canceled. So he explains that he got to the party because he was robbing a place for his kid. Then we have a little flashback yeah, him and his buddy. I think it was like his niece, though Niece, something like that.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, he doesn't have a kid.
Speaker 1:That's my bad.
Speaker 2:I kind of got used to putting kid in the title, so he if they're robbing a place, he's like, hey, what tour did you want to this kid on the line? And then all of a sudden, the wire trip or the alarm trips ups, truck drives by and knocks out his security bypass like why not make it a train or something you're in new? York, or la right, or is he in new york? I don't know.
Speaker 1:Fuck, I can't remember I don't know well, he's from the east coast yeah, so he probably is in new york or something. Yeah um, and then so the alarm goes off. They're trying to run from the cops, they're out into the middle of the street and then, all of a sudden, a random woman comes out on our balcony God damn it and is like stop, I'm going to shoot you. And then she just ends up shooting his partner and catches him in the arm, yeah.
Speaker 1:She just like threw his jacket and then he, uh, runs away, leaving him there yeah, that chick loves toys, yeah. And then, um, so he he's like trying to get away, and then he just stumbles into this actor like, um, uh, what do you call it? Audition, yeah, audition, yeah. And so at first he starts and he doesn't seem into it, and then they say you got your partner killed. And then he kind of flips out and starts acting good because it's real and they're like god dang we gotta get this guy in our movie.
Speaker 1:Hell, yeah, everybody's method. Now, and it's fun because you know this is the beginning of a movie and we see his friend get shot and killed and you know he essentially has no reaction, he just runs away. Versus a little bit later.
Speaker 2:And his friend was just stealing like teddy bears and shit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, no reason to get shot, go to jail. I understand that.
Speaker 2:That lady should go to jail.
Speaker 1:She just shot some random people in the alley that weren't going to shoot her. So well, yeah, well, he's like put the guy down, yeah, and she's just like that lady. Just you know tough streets out there, you know people robbing, you got to yeah just don't go outside ever.
Speaker 2:And then we learn he is now in LA for a screen test for the movie. I feel like this is how Chris Pratt got his career, yeah.
Speaker 1:Because he was a beach bum and he was unhoused, living with women Living in his van just trying out for auditions.
Speaker 2:That's how he got in the OC. Yeah well, I'd like to think that he was stealing toys. He might.
Speaker 1:Probably eating out of the trash. We learn he's just like picking up kids and shaking them. Give me your lunch money. He doesn't seem like that type of guy, though.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he seems like a nice guy. He was unhoused, living on the beach. I feel like he would have done anything. Yeah, I mean like he would have done anything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean he probably I don't know. I think he like worked at. I think I remember reading he worked at like a T-shirt shop or something, I don't know. I don't quote me on that. Why are you quoting me at all? I don't know. Anyway. So we meet Harmony. We learn that she's at the party because when she was a kid she loved Johnny Gossamer novels that idolized LA. Later in life we see that her little sister was getting abused by her father. So at the age of 16, she left for LA to make money to rescue her sister and to leave your sister Right at 16.
Speaker 1:And then we learn now she's 34 and didn't rescue her at all. But then we also learned that a few weeks before the party, an actor who played a character called Protocol was drunk in her apartment. She scared him and he fell to his death. That's hilarious. And then the producer that is also that Gay Perry is with saw Harmony on the news, invited her to the party invite her to something. Sometimes that's all it takes in LA. You just get seen at the right time. They're like well, she's attractive.
Speaker 2:She's going to something. Sometimes that's all it takes in LA.
Speaker 1:You just get seen at the right time. They're like well, she's attractive, she's going to be in this movie.
Speaker 2:Hopefully she can act. That's why you should always look your best.
Speaker 1:That's why you should always hang out around crimes, get into the news. But Zoinks, yowza, it's like damn, that was rough. Back to the party. Harmony finds out that the host at the pub of the party has all the Johnny Gossamer books. She reads them and falls asleep in a room at the party. Then, classic, some random creep comes in and starts touching her and like pulling up her dress a little bit. And then Harry sees this Walk away. Don't think, just do it. Yeah, get walk away. Don't think, just do it. Yeah, get the fuck out of here, you creep. Harry says he'll beat him up. It's like, bro, it's nearly my bedtime, you won't go outside.
Speaker 2:It's like such a tough talking guy and then they get cut to him outside just getting the shit made out of him and he's like it's like one of these days I'm gonna learn how to fight I know, like I've never seen that in a movie like someone standing up for someone else and then just getting their ass whooped like crazy.
Speaker 1:That's okay, because that's all that needed to happen to get him away from her. So, it's like just take your beating, dude. You did it, and it's like hey. Harry might not be the best person we're going to find out in the movie, but guess what? He's the a nice guy? No, he's not. He just does what he's paid to do. Hell yeah.
Speaker 2:Classic PI stuff.
Speaker 1:I love private investigator movies, though have you ever met one?
Speaker 2:private investigator.
Speaker 1:No, because they're never like the movies.
Speaker 2:I met one in Mexico and he said he's like yeah, all I do is. All he does is like stakeouts. Take out, take pictures 90% of what he does is like catch people cheating. Yeah, yeah, makes sense.
Speaker 1:So Perry comes up after Harry gets beat up and helps him up. They are meeting for the first time. We learned that Perry is the consultant on the film Harry is acting in and there's like all the funny banter about his name. He's like oh, they call you gay Perry. Funny banter about his name. He's like oh, they call you gay Perry. And he's like Harry, yes, still gay Perry me. No, I'm knee deep in pussy. I just like the name so much I can't get rid of it.
Speaker 2:I know, man, once you've branded yourself, it's hard to rebrand, I imagine.
Speaker 1:Well, no, he's just being sarcastic though, yeah, but I think Val Kilmer actually has the funniest lines in the entire movie. Oh, hell, yeah, Like he. It's wild Cause you don't really see him as like a comedic actor. But when you go from you know kiss, kiss, bang, bang to him being funny and MacGruber, it's like damn, the guy had some comedic chops there. But then if you think about it, his movies was top secret. Is that parody movie of you know spy movies? Have you ever seen it? No, I've watched it a long time ago, um, like re-watched it and you know it just wasn't as funny as I remember it being.
Speaker 1:But I should. This is not a comedian. Yeah, I mean, he was funny, it's just. You know the movie. And then harry sees harmony leaving the party with the guy who beat him up.
Speaker 2:He's like damn it. Oh man, I lost again.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And so we learn that the producer his name was Daphne is having Harry shadow Perry for his role as a PI. Harry and Perry, yeah. And then, as they're both talking, harry and Perry we meet. We then meet Harlan Dexter, the party host. We learn it's Dexter's daughter's B-Day. Apparently they have had a bad relationship and three months before the party she was suing him for his millions, even called her a bad word, cunt.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's. I really like that about Val Kilmer's character. Yeah.
Speaker 1:It's very like oh, I don't want to be rude, I'm going to say the thing I was going to say. And then he goes welcome to Hollywood. And then Harry stops the tape and he says a bit. It's like hmm, gee, I wonder this random little scene in this movie that makes no sense. I wonder if that's going to be a callback later. Just like damn okay, deadpool crime down Jesse's alley.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was like I love this, but yeah, it's just like the classic. Every noir has it where it's like oh, here's these random characters that you haven't met before and meet for five seconds, and it seems not make sense.
Speaker 2:Oh, I bet everything's connected. I bet nothing's going to come from this.
Speaker 1:And then Harry talks about harmony to Perry. He's she. He says she feels like that dream girl from high school that got away. Perry knows the girl and sends them, sends Harry, to the domino room. It's going to be hard to continue talking and having to say Harry and Perry.
Speaker 2:How would you, how do you feel about a bar with no chairs? You have to sit on the floor, is that?
Speaker 1:what it is. Yes, I didn't even notice. Oh yeah, because they are.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it sounds terrible, I mean if the carpet's comfy. But it's a very and you got like a comfy pillow I do enjoy like the very Christmassy aesthetic they got going on there. Yeah, it seems like a fun thing.
Speaker 1:Christmas in LA must be watch it every year. Hell yeah, I die hard. If you're a sicko like us, you don't like normal christmas movies. If you don't like hallmark christmas movies, watch hot. Uh, what is it?
Speaker 2:hot frosty not yet sexy frosty, not yet. I mean, I'm sure it will happen and, like red one, I'm kind of excited about that one. I'm not just because it's look terrible.
Speaker 1:Is that why you're excited for it? Look like a christmas mcu movie.
Speaker 2:I yes I my wife is super excited about it because she's got this thing for santa like hot santa, okay, and that's continue. I'm worried that's why I'm excited, because she's excited.
Speaker 1:I was wondering why he came in with a santa costume on with it unbuttoned a little bit and my chest you came all the way here with no pants on do you think santa was a ginger? I hope he was at one point I don't know, I think he was just born old right. Yeah, it's like that bit, that snl skit, where um a woman's giving birth and then will ferrell comes out.
Speaker 2:Oh, it was hot in there. He's a 45-year-old man.
Speaker 1:I like to think that's how it went. Yeah, all right. So, man, you just really dropped that Santa thing on me it's going to be hard to concentrate from now on.
Speaker 1:So Harry goes to the domino room. He meets a woman named Flicka. He tells her he's a PI and we, we learned she is a flight attendant. It's just like the scene with dexter. It's like what? Why is this in here? We'll find out later. So he sits next to harmony. They have a lot of witty banter. They kind of call out other. It's like, oh, you can go over there with that guy. He looks like a brazilian, billy bob. It's like, oh, I'll be over there next to the Native American, joe Pesci, Funny. So he actually wrote in the script. He wrote different things. I think he wrote like Black Patrick, swayze and things.
Speaker 1:They were just placeholders, and so when he got to the scene, he put all the extras, he lined them all up and he looked at them to see if he can come up with any funny things, like Native American Joe Pesci and things like that, so to see if he can come up with any funny things like Native American.
Speaker 1:Joe Pesci and things like that. So that's how those actors got picked. Yeah, her friend God, yeah, but before that. So he's kind of she's trying to. It's like, oh, it's kind of like, oh, don't sit next to me, go sit next to her. And then kind of talks about it. It's like, yeah, that girl, she's 35 and still trying to make it into the business Time to give up honey.
Speaker 2:Man, that's harsh.
Speaker 1:Harry's like what's your age? And he's like 34. I'm just a baby. And then so, after more witty banter, her friend comes up and tries to scare him off, and then it seems to work. Her head twitches a lot, yeah. And then Harmony finally brings up. That's like's like Harry, when are you gonna notice me? And he's like oh, you're Harmony, the.
Speaker 1:and then um, they huh no, I think that was kind of the whole thing because, like, whenever he goes back in the narration he's like, yeah, so about that, and they cut back to the birthday party. It's like you know that girl that I said that got away. Well, her name was actually uh, because that was her Harmony, and it's like you know that girl that I said that got away.
Speaker 1:Well, her name was actually uh, um, because that was her harmony, and it was like, yeah, and it turns out this is her, and so it's later that night. Now they're both getting drunk sitting on the floor. They're talking about how a film production came to town and that's how harmony got into to johnny gossamer. Yes, uh, we learned that harmony didn't get famous, but she did get to do a commercial with a bear yeah, that bear commercial reminds me.
Speaker 2:Did you ever see the one where the guy's fighting a bear over a fish? Uh-uh, well, maybe, or he's like. He's like they get into. The bear comes up and tries to steal his fish and then they get into a boxing match. Oh, that sounds familiar, and then he kicks the bear in the balls. Anyway, it is a beer commercial, yeah.
Speaker 1:But the reason, like all this is being brought up because you know she wanted to make money to get her daughter, her sister, out of the house, you know, away from the father. But it didn't work. So she's like really bummed out that she's not famous. And then he's like, no, you got a national commercial, that's great, she's not famous. And then he's like, no, you got a national commercial, that's great, that's really good, that's something. And so they're kind of hitting it off now and he invites her back to his hotel. He's like you can bring your friend whatever, just one drink, and she seems to be into it. And then we cut to. The next day he wakes up. Thanks for me.
Speaker 2:Next to a friend no. He's super sweet all of a sudden.
Speaker 1:Harry, everything could have been so much easier for you if you weren't an idiot. Yeah, he's a moron. He got blacked out drunk. Didn't know what he was doing anymore. Have you ever been blacked out drunk? Yeah, it's scary. Yeah, I've only ever done it, and it's always been when I'm here. And yeah, I've. I've only ever done it and it's always been when I'm here. And the first time I did it I was like I was like what?
Speaker 2:yeah, you wake up in a different room.
Speaker 1:You're like oh well, it's like, it's just like I remember like very vague points, but I'm like, golly, like I was at least up like I we're playing uh, you don't uh jackbox games on the switch and I'm like I am. I played for like an hour or more with my friends, my wife and I didn't know, and all I remember is just like waking up seeing natalie like kind of start falling asleep, like here we gotta go to bed. And then it's just like the next day I'm like what the fuck? I was like was I funny in my game? What did I? Was I funny? Was I funny in my game? Was I funny? Was I obnoxious? I don't know. Apparently, I didn't act too different. I was just obviously drunk, yeah, yeah, but anyways.
Speaker 1:So after realizing he was sleeping with his friend, he just gets up, like what the hell? He immediately runs out the door, says nothing, he runs out of his hotel and goes to Harmony's place. Tell he runs out of his hotel and goes to Harmony's place, tells her he blacked out and she says like you ended up having sex with my friend, kind of a bummer. He tries to be like no, I promise I was blacked out Technically, I didn't mean to. And then she slams the door on his face.
Speaker 1:We'll see that a few more times. One time it's really funny. And then we cut to. We get this great shot him walking out, he's putting a cigarette on you got the palm trees behind him and then he's just kind of looking back at her hotel or house or apartment, whatever. This is a great shot. It's very noir, feeling, sure, yeah. And then we cut to day two. Harry is shadowing Perry. He explains Johnny Gossamer to him. He essentially says like yeah, there's a normal case and there's a wild case, and they always end up being one case. Yeah, man, I don't know if that's going to have anything to do with the movie.
Speaker 2:Did you count when she talks about how they killed 16 people in every book? Did you count? I didn't.
Speaker 1:Shit, I forgot to as well. It doesn't feel like there's 16, no-transcript, damn it. I was hoping that would come up in the facts, but I never saw anything about it yeah, that probably didn't happen yeah.
Speaker 1:And then, like they talk about, and you know, robert Downey Jr is just being his neurotic self going through like all his stuff in his car and he pulls out this tiny gun. So we learn Perry was hired by Allison Ames who wants him to do some video surveillance, and he's like, oh really, how'd you meet her? And then Perry's like, yeah, well, I just went to her house, knocked on her door and she was only in her underwear and she said take a seat, and she sat in my lap. I was like, really no, my job is very boring, it's nothing like the movies. We learn that Harmony promised Harry that she wouldn't. Oh, and Harmony promised Harry that she wouldn't, oh, yeah, and they're just kind of bringing up talking about Harmony and it's like, oh, it turns out that that was actually the girl that I grew up with, that I was in love with for my life.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he was the friend and friend zone hardcore. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And we learned that it's like she slept with like every guy in high school, except for my friend Harry. She promised me she wouldn't fuck him and then, like all that conversation leads to them getting to the house to survey. Somebody comes out of the house and drives off. They hear like a noise almost he's like what's wrong with this car? I'm not a fucking mechanic. Obviously there's a live person in the trunk. So they follow. Oh, she was alive In the trunk.
Speaker 2:That's why she was already dead.
Speaker 1:That's what they're hearing in the car Right.
Speaker 1:I don't remember I felt like it sounded like beating. Yeah, maybe they follow. And then see the same car jump into the lake. They hear a sound in the trunk. So Perry shoots the trunk open and drags out, drags her out of the lake. She's dead. And then we just see Harry pulls down her dress and then two guys in a mass drive up and then they kind of look at him and drive off. Perry says that they it's like we're going to have to go to the cops because in movies that's what you do and like, unlike movies, this is what you do. But then Harry's like well, you shot her. He's like what? It's like there's a bullet hole in her head. Here's the thing I cause. Look, I'm assuming by them saying, oh, what's wrong with this car? And you kind of hear like thumping a little bit that she's still alive. Then Perry shot her.
Speaker 2:Yeah, trying to get her out and killed her, cause you have to shoot the trunk open, so he murdered her. It's an accidental murder.
Speaker 1:You know he blacked out it was an accident, he manslaughter. But I think that's, that's so funny yeah, it is funny it is funny in a fucked up way if he if he didn't have to shoot the trunk, if he just found the keys and opened it, the story's over sure. But no, he accidentally shot her.
Speaker 1:He shot her, not bad and I do just want to say I don't think bullets can be shot underwater, go through a car and into someone else's head while being underwater. It had to be a very powerful gun, but movies mythbusters actually, uh, they did like those huge giant sniper rifles, yeah, um they shot those into water they just immediately explode upon impact on the water and stuff, so I don't know how it is underwater. I'm sure they probably did that, but I don't think guns really work well underwater right I don't know.
Speaker 2:I know spear. Spear guns probably do. Yeah, they're great, they're different, they're made for underwater.
Speaker 1:So they're all kind of freaking out and thinking about Harry. We see him throw Perry's gun into the lake Big mistake. And then Perry gets super mad because his mom gave him it. That was my best gun, perry, my $2,000 ceramic vector my mother gave to me as a special gift. You threw it in the lake next to the car. What happens when they drag the lake? You think they'll find my pistol. Jesus, look up idiot in the dictionary. You know what you'll find Harry, a picture of me. No, the definition of the word idiot, because you fucking are good man this movie when it gets like going with the dialogue, it just really crushes.
Speaker 1:It's very, very witty and you know, I think it's just, you know it's just funny because robert downey jr, like he, just he just seems like someone that would constantly be doing this type of dialogue and talking fast and stuff. And it's funny that shane black wrote such a witty fast talking script and then was able to get Robert Downey Jr in it and then, you know, robert Downey Jr becomes the poster boy at MCU and all of the MCU talk like this movie in terms of like, dialogue-wise and it's just fucking kiss, kiss, bang, bang made the MCU dude that's. Oh man, that's true, isn't it wild? That's awesome. I wish I said that at the beginning of the podcast. It'd be way more interesting. For people.
Speaker 2:He created Marvel.
Speaker 1:So now they're just kind of driving away. Perry thinks someone set him up. He drops Harry off at his hotel.
Speaker 2:That's so funny. When he's leaning up against his car he's like I gotta go.
Speaker 1:I gotta go. He pushes him, but when they first get there he's like Perry go Sleep badly. Any questions, hesitate to call. And then Harry gets a call that Harmony committed unaliving herself. He is devastated. Perry tries to be sympathetic but then pushes him away from the car to drive off and he's just sitting in front of the hotel. Ted to Harry watching Harmony's commercial. I suck heads off a fish. What do I know? I'm just a bear. It's just literally her waving at a bear, turning looking at the camera waving at a bear.
Speaker 1:It's a pretty good commercial though.
Speaker 2:I would have bought that beer. It did make me want a beer.
Speaker 1:Oh man, I don't like beer anymore. Oh wow, I only like drink wine.
Speaker 2:Nice Because I'm bougie?
Speaker 1:No, I guess I'd have to just drink champagne.
Speaker 2:Refined. No champagne sucks ass.
Speaker 1:I don't care what you say I love the taste of champagne, but it's the worst of the headaches.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it coming up, but putting in some orange juice.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Those are good. What do?
Speaker 1:they call those Mimosas.
Speaker 2:Yeah, hell, yeah, yeah, breakfast, alcohol, yeah, so good. So, harry, I'm more of a Bloody Mary myself. I was just kind of margarita, a spicy Bloody Mary, ugh.
Speaker 1:Ugh Sounds bad. No, it's good. Terry, who is drinking champagne, gets a knock at the door. It's Harmony. She's still alive, baby. We found out it was her sister that unalived herself. I love it because Michelle Monaghan is just like talking a lot very fast.
Speaker 2:And her boobs popping out and he's just like dude, you got to chill out.
Speaker 1:You're making me nervous. It's like I was for one second I thought you're dead and now I'm happy that you're alive. But now I'm just nervous. It's like what's he about to say? I kind of wish you were dead. Now we learned that Harmony's sister broke into Harmony's apartment and stole her credit card. That'll be important later, sounds familiar.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And then Flicka told Harmony Harry is a PI and that's why Harmony came there to ask him for help on the case. And then she's explaining the whole thing and her nipple pops out. And he just keeps saying nipple. And he's like I wanted to tell her that it popped out, but she's just going on about this story. She probably doesn't care. We learn her sister charged $2,000 to her card and then eventually, harry agrees to help on the case because he's in love, because he lies.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he says he's a private investigator and he's just like, he just wants to be around her.
Speaker 1:So he's like, yeah, sure, and then as soon as he agrees she passes out. Nice, so good, so tired, that's such a good bit. So he puts her in his bed, goes to take off her wet clothes I'm assuming to do that blanket on her, because you don't want to go to sleep in white clothes.
Speaker 2:That's how you get sick, that's horrible and it gets your bed all soggy.
Speaker 1:So it's like as soon as he did it I was like fuck dude, this is weird.
Speaker 2:But I, you know they always.
Speaker 1:They usually cut this part in movies. Yeah Right, usually in movies like this, when someone's like, oh yeah, like if you don't see it, you don't think about it, but then you like see, he's about to kind of do that and it's like this is weird, this is just. I don't know, wake her up, Be like take her clothes off and get under the blanket.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you got to shake her a bunch first and then she don't wake up. But because Harry?
Speaker 1:has zero luck. A spider crawls into her brawl A spider, zero luck a spider crawls into her bra, horrible spider dude and you know what. He did the right thing trying to smash that spider. You don't want to get a spider bite. Get it infected in her boob. I know I just recently had one on my leg and it was gross and it sucked.
Speaker 2:Yeah, her boob would have rotted off yeah, that would have been horrible. I probably would have been more panicky, and it real hard, and then she would have woken up.
Speaker 1:Well, I would have immediately been like look in your bra, there's a spider.
Speaker 2:Just put your finger in her mouth. There's a spider.
Speaker 1:I promise we don't have to have this weird conversation that's about to happen. Just look in your bra, I promise. So yeah, he slaps it. Harmony wakes up and accuses him of grabbing her boob. Harmony doesn't care, though it's like so. Of grabbing her boob. Harmony doesn't care, though it's like so what? You grab my tit, that's life no biggie. And Harry's like no biggie. Is that the type of girl you are? It's like dude, don't slut.
Speaker 2:Don't slut shame.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and like she's kind of just like why would you do that, why would you think that? Lifts her bra just a little bit and they see a spider leg. He's like you see, and then he gets mad. I am the type of guy that would do that, though it's like what is your argument here? Trying too hard, but yeah, so after they kind of get in a little fight about you know the line of, is that the type of girl you are? He goes to pee and she's like I'm leaving, can I borrow?
Speaker 2:stuff he pees, then he, while midstream, sees the dead girl from the lake and it turns around pees on her a little bit and then it's great.
Speaker 1:And then, luckily, harmony left, and then he calls Perry dude. Oh, it's so funny, it's so funny you can't stop.
Speaker 2:Midstream it stings. Yeah well, you're so shocked it's gonna just make you pee it's like when someone scares you.
Speaker 1:It's like I peed a little. It's like god like you never. It's like lucky you didn't like shoot even harder yeah, that's what I was gonna think oh man, what a terrible god he just washed the blood off her face he literally does everything right.
Speaker 1:So he calls Perry. He says they have to move the body because whoever gets, whoever set him up, probably called the cops. He has to wrap the body and the gun. Well, he has to wrap the body up and find the gun, because they always plant a gun. And this is when he's like, hey, harry, I peed on her. He's like harry, I peed on her. He's like what? Wait, let me get the quote actually, because oh god it's. I have it pretty close um, let's see where is it. Where is it, where is it?
Speaker 2:I like how he gets. He tells the truth right away instead of trying to hide it, because the more you lie, yeah, it gets worse um I'll just, I'll just do the whole thing.
Speaker 1:So you got Perry, we gotta move her somewhere. You got gloves, harry, excuse me, gloves. Do you have gloves? You have to move her. It's a frame up, some asshole probably calling the cops on you right now. Do this, wrap up the body in the blanket? A sheet, anything? Okay, any particular gloves? Yes, fine, will you fucking hurry? And they're like perry, yeah, I peed on it. What you peed on what I peed on the corpse. Can they do like id from that perry? I'm sorry you peed on perry on the corpse. My question is perry, no, my question. I get to go first. Why in the blubber fuck would you pee on a corpse?
Speaker 2:I didn't intend to. It's not like I did it for kicks, just perfect, perfect little bit, because I'll be there in four minutes. Yeah.
Speaker 1:It was great, it's awesome. So he finds the gun, wraps up the body, harmony and then we cut to Harmony downstairs. Here's some cops looking for Harry and she misdirects him. Yeah, that's great. She's smart, she's a winner. Yeah, she's a keeper, she's a keeper. I love when they throw the body off a roof, yeah, so Perry shows up and they move the body, they throw it off the roof, just like hits the trash.
Speaker 2:So yeah, yeah, when it hits the trash can, it's fucking awesome. I know it was like, but no like. Whenever they pulled the girl out of the car in the lake, her neck was already broken Cause. He says he's like you shot her in the face, he's like, he's like is she dead or no, he goes yeah you're right. So she was already dead Then how is?
Speaker 1:what was the noise from the car? Because they're like the noise from the car.
Speaker 2:Open the trunk.
Speaker 1:Well, if you understand that, broke from hitting the water?
Speaker 2:I don't know.
Speaker 1:True, it could have been that case, I don't know. We'll just say that's it. I heard the noise in the movie, so, yeah, maybe she already died from the crash into the water and then he shot her, okay, so well, just fuck me so anyway, her corpse hitting the dumpster because you think it's gonna land in the dumpster yeah, and then they miss horribly god rough reminds me of uh, john wake three. Yeah, oh, I didn't, I haven't seen that. Well, because, yeah, god, you got to watch those movies.
Speaker 1:Just throwing bodies in the dumpsters, it's actually John Wick's body, nice, so they put her in the trunk. Two cops drive up, so Perry comes up with the idea. Hey, kiss me what.
Speaker 2:Let's make out, kiss me.
Speaker 1:He's like no, I don't want to ever done this.
Speaker 2:Kiss the man. No well, today's the day, um, I was with my girlfriend. We snuck into a bar because I was underage and she was. She was she who got in. But like I had to sneak in, I had to jump a fence right, cool. And uh, we were in the behind the kitchen and somebody comes out like an employee and I was just like quick, come here. And it's just that we started making out real hard because of this movie. Yeah, he just like walked away. He's like the fuck.
Speaker 1:Hell yeah, dude, that rules, but it's not like he would have carded me anyway. Yeah, that's true, but they might have been like what are you doing here? Leave, he's just like a kitchen guy, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm going to have to remember that that was from this movie.
Speaker 1:Snake make it awkward. I got someone to kiss. Come here, snake. He makes it awkward, I kiss you. So Harmony shows up and asks what the heck is going on, because she saw the kiss and they're like all right. So we got out of there and somehow we were able to convince her that nothing was happening and convince her that I'm not gay for kissing a man.
Speaker 2:And I don't know how. I'm going to tell you how I did the second one. That's what I said about that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, classic 2000s.
Speaker 2:Yeah, val Kilmer really gets in there, yeah.
Speaker 1:Shoot, give me Val Kilmer from.
Speaker 2:Heat, I'll kiss him. I'll kiss him from the movie Heat, I ain't scared. He's like Harmony, it's over. I had a it's over and a change of heart, change of heart.
Speaker 1:So they dumped the body on the side of the road. Harry starts blaming, bringing up, like oh yeah, I got to meet with Harmony to bring up the case. And he's like here's the case, her sister killed herself, that's it, just drop it.
Speaker 1:It's funny that ends up being that's exactly what happened Because he's a good private investor, yeah, and then we cut to day three. You have Harry and Harmony. They're sitting and having like lunch or breakfast together. Harmony's talking about how she, before she left, she got her sister into foster care and she convinced her sister that her abusive father wasn't a real father.
Speaker 2:She did get her into foster care OK.
Speaker 1:It makes me feel better and that she made her think that Johnny Gossamer is her real father. That's why she was in LA her sister, all right. We see on the news that the body was Veronica Dexter, the daughter of Harlan Dexter, who owns a, I guess, a mental health clinic, and was also the person at the party the host of the party. Oh shit, because when they have that little scene they show the daughter sitting next to the birthday cake and then they give a really intimate hug. Harry and Perry, they meet, they discuss the case, they're on this rooftop, the killers were at the party and that's how they know them. He tells harry to leave and he tells him that the only reason harry is there is because they were using harry to lower colin farrell's acting rate, because he wanted like 10 million or 100 million dollars for the film that he's going to be in and so that they hired this nobody made a big deal about it and that he's going to get the part just so he can shave a few million off of Colin Farrell's rate.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I wonder if that really is what happens, because it makes sense.
Speaker 1:I mean it's Shane Black. He's in the movie business. I'm sure he's heard of something like that?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm sure he does yeah.
Speaker 1:Probably happened to like Arnold or Sylvester Stallone or something. So and um, so, and then, uh, perry tells harry that he told harmony that he isn't a detective and he makes harry really mad. He's like you can hit me if you need to and he just hits him immediately, yeah, and then he's like. He's like what are you so upset about? He's like I thought we were friends. He's like I'm not your friend. I'm hired by the producer of this film, like I do whatever I'm told I make bodies disappear.
Speaker 1:Yeah I'm not a good guy, which is kind of one of my favorites. And then, as uh perry's walking away, uh, harry, don't quit your gay job. It's such a dumb joke, but it made me laugh like.
Speaker 2:Why does that even matter?
Speaker 1:I don't know I don't know like it's. Okay, it's just like oh, it sounds like it's funny, so it's funny if something sounds like something, it's immediately funny.
Speaker 2:Yes, I imagine, if I had a gay friend, that it would have to be kind of like that, like because you're close enough, you can make fun of each other, yeah, and I feel like that would just happen. I don't know?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm trying to think of any gay friends that I've had.
Speaker 2:I don't have any like close gay friends, never Okay.
Speaker 1:We never really joked that much about them being gay. It's kind of like it's a.
Speaker 2:It's a very sensitive subject.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for me. Well, I don't think they would have cared if I did any jokes. It's just like I'm not. I don't feel like I need to go there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know. It's never been the right moment. Yeah, I would Well, let's stop digging our hole wrong. Dig me out of this hole. Let's get out of this hole Throw, because Harry is at the airport and runs into Flicka.
Speaker 1:That's the reason we met Flicka early in the film.
Speaker 2:Because she's a stewardess.
Speaker 1:Yes, and he's essentially just asking for Harmony's number. But we learn that Harmony has a stage name Allison Ames. Dun dun, dun. Harry flicks because it's the same name on the card that hired Perry. He calls Perry to tell him. Oh, he calls Perry to tell him. Oh, he calls Perry to tell him about it, but it's just a voicemail. He goes to Harmony who is mad, and slams the door immediately on his hand, cutting off his finger.
Speaker 2:That's fucking awesome.
Speaker 1:Dude, this was the scene where I was like fuck, michelle Monaghan is hilarious and great. It's just like her reaction to slamming the door on it and opening like did I just cut off your finger? And they just kind of look down and look up at each other and it's just like the face she makes where she's like I am pissed. But I'm also like fuck, I just cut off a guy's finger and it was like the perfect little look, it is hilarious. And then you got Robert Downey Jr, who it was just hilarious. She's like come in. And then you got Robert Downey Jr, who's just like pissed off and just being funny. He's like can you grab it please? Yeah, it's such a good bit here. And so I guess he came in and he told her everything because through a phone call, harmony is happy that Harry figured it out. So Harmony is at a party and the whole crew from the party is there. He goes to the party and he's completely trashed on pills. Yeah, the whole scene like him on the phone in the car with her.
Speaker 1:And like there's like a, like a jokes made and he just like starts cracking up. He's so funny.
Speaker 2:And I'm sure he has a lot of experience in that type of situation. Yeah, with painkillers.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, he goes there because, like everybody that was at the party is there and obviously the two killers were at the party the kidnappers so they're going to be here too, because they love parties. Yeah, so we go to this classic, weird LA party. You just got a bunch of people in glasses yeah, I want to go to one of those and stuff. And it reminds me of the nice guys.
Speaker 1:Yeah those Because essentially, kiss Kiss Bing Bang was his like I want to do a detective movie in LA, and this was like almost kind of his rough draft versus where he does the perfect movie, the nice guys, because I do like the nice guys better than Kiss Kiss Bing Bang. Yeah, yeah, but it's like it's kind of funny. You just made the two same movies, except slightly different, you know, yeah, but they do have that weird LA party where there's like mermaids and stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man, I want that. Yeah, I want that kind of money. So I want a lady with covered in, like I want the buffet table to just be a lady.
Speaker 1:Yeah, just be a lady With food all over, hi, all over. I hope you bathe.
Speaker 2:Bonus points.
Speaker 1:I don't matter, like I'm not going to go to a random party and eat something off of anybody. I don't, I don't trust that. I don't Do you need a spotter. Like how does this work? I just need it on a clean plate, that's it. Just put it on a plate.
Speaker 2:Don't dirt, shame these women.
Speaker 1:What? Okay. So Harmony pops up, Says hey to.
Speaker 2:Harry, where'd you get sausage from?
Speaker 1:Yeah, she's got a bunch over there. So Harmony gives him a tape it's like the Lord of the cock rings or whatever, um. But it's like no, it's just like a fake tape. It's a johnny gossamer movie, um, that her sister had, um. And then so a random girl comes up. He's like I was in the bathroom and he was totally checking me out and he's like what the fuck are you talking about? And then there's like this whole hundred like gal speech, where it's like um, it's like all these girls are so messed up that somebody, some uncle, their uncle touched them and the entire world just like turned on its side and all the people from the East Coast that wasn't messed up hung on to stay in the East Coast.
Speaker 2:And all the messed up people come down. They took it up and shook the world or something and all the people landed and all the messed up girls ended up in LA.
Speaker 1:And they're making Harmony even more mad because you know, obviously, with her father being someone, that molested her sister. That sucks ass and obviously hit her. She gets mad. It's like everyone here who hates Harry.
Speaker 2:Raise your hand and then every girl looks, and then Harry comes up.
Speaker 1:Obedient bitches are three.
Speaker 2:Someone throws a glass, he dodges it, he dodges it, he dodges it like he saw it coming.
Speaker 1:That was so perfect. So I guess Shane Black doesn't like LA women. That's what I'm starting to realize from the movie.
Speaker 2:I just, yeah, I just the funny misogyny though, it's just.
Speaker 1:Here's the thing you know what so far in this movie? Yeah, the women need to stick together because every man's trying to kill them. Yes, and do something to them.
Speaker 2:Yes, sorry, harry and Perry. We need some more girls, girls here. They're essentially just like raising.
Speaker 1:Oh, there's a creep here, get them out. Yeah, hell, yeah, man. That's all it was, that's great, I love a consensus even though in this case, harry didn't do anything wrong. It was just some random girl was like he's checking me out, it's like why? But definitely he's like well, shane Black obviously has some issue here and this must have happened to him and he's still pissed off about it probably yeah.
Speaker 1:So Harry, harmony, perry, I'm gonna get back at her with a movie. Yeah, they go to watch the videotape and while watching they realize Harlan Dexter is playing Johnny Gossamer. He is the one that was with the movie crew when they were young. So Harmony's sister's like she thinks that's her dad, that's my dad. So now that like Perry's like shit, we got something here. Says he will help, but he's got to go do a case first, following a girl out into the park, and he tells them that it'll be the first thing they do the next day. Harmony's like don't listen to him. They're like we're going to solve this case, no matter what he says. And she says, yeah, we're going to investigate it tomorrow, don't worry about him.
Speaker 1:So Harry decides to just chill at the party and then two dudes come up to rough him up. They essentially they take him to the bag, they tell him to leave town, they tear him up. What were their names? No, there's like it's Ike, mike and Mustard. Here's the thing. This is the first scene in the movie where I'm like Shane Black's trying to be too clever.
Speaker 2:There's like too much going on between these two random guys and like it does, it doesn't work If they they're pretty dumb, but like I feel like if they were written a little bit differently to be funnier. I don't know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, is this like? I mean, I get like the I can Mike and mustard things Like I guess this old, I guess this old 1950s thing or something.
Speaker 2:I guess, I don't know, everybody had nicknames, it doesn't?
Speaker 1:work and it's like they're being too funny and like I don't know.
Speaker 2:It's just like the dialogue is not really working for me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but it is funny that they ripped open his finger again. Yeah, god dang it.
Speaker 2:So Catch a break.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then we cut to. Harmony is driving Harry back to the hospital, but she spots the two men who beat up Harry. Then she starts to follow him. He's like no hospital first, please just take me to the hospital. But she's like she realizes like oh snap, they're going to Perry's stakeout. We have to go, Got to save, we got to go warn them. So she follows him and just like says hey, does he?
Speaker 2:have a phone though.
Speaker 1:Huh, does he have a phone? Yeah, I don't understand. Maybe he probably has it off because he doesn't want it to ring. And the girl, like, looks behind him. Maybe. Yeah, that's just what I'm saying to make it make sense in my head. And so she's like she just pulls over, leaves the keys in the car and tells harry, hey, drive yourself to the hospital. He passes out immediately.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, I got it he's like he's so mad he's had a really rough couple days here. She follows the guys who are following perry, who is following a pink-haired girl. I should have used some commas in that sentence. Oxford, yeah, he um try. She tries to warn him, but one of the guys catches her and is like going to choke her. He's like shh be easy, baby, just let it happen, baby Just being just a real douchebag about it, even though he's choking her.
Speaker 1:but it's like you don't have to be a douchebag about choking her.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you can just kill her nicely, yeah, just like tell her a story or something.
Speaker 1:But she's able to knock him out with a headbutt. But she's able to knock them out with a headbutt. Hell yeah, man, she kicks his ass. Have you ever headbutted somebody like that? It hurts, yeah.
Speaker 2:A lot Not on purpose.
Speaker 1:You have to like hit with a special part on your head.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the big noggin part right here in the middle, that's where all it's very porous, kind of like how goats and stuff Like their skulls are porous, so it helps absorb impact. Yeah, so I guess, uh, in movies everybody is really good at using that part of their head no man, you do it once and it hurts a lot, yeah, and you don't want to do it anymore.
Speaker 1:Never had it never had it headbutted a person. I have headbutted doors rails.
Speaker 2:I headbutted a few people and I gave one guy stitches at work.
Speaker 1:I headbutt things all the time. Yeah, because you know we got our side shields on so it kind of blocks your peripheral a little bit Like blinders. So you kind of turn and like oh, I didn't realize how close I was. Then it pisses you the hell off for the rest of the day. You ever have that happen to you.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes I have when it starts to bleeding. Luckily I haven't bled, but it fucking sucks. Blood sweat and tears for cheese.
Speaker 1:I'm pissed off now. So, after knocking the guy out, she then runs to warn Perry when she trips and her gun goes off. Perry turns around and the other kidnapper was behind him in the car, going to run him over that was awesome. Luckily he's able to slide by and the guy gets out with a gun, but luckily, like a food vendor in the middle of the park has a gun. He's like you, god dang rat scallions.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man, he just shoots him off.
Speaker 1:Fucking love that guy. I was like do you go to jail? You just shot a random guy that hasn't shot anybody yet Well he was shooting at Perry so I don't think anybody.
Speaker 2:I guess they all have a good alibi. No one gets caught for anything.
Speaker 1:It's like, dude, you shot a guy in the back like five times. I don't know California's law, but I don't think you're allowed to shoot people in the back Wild, wild west out there. But I guess he had a gun and he shot it. So it's like, hey, you're just protecting the people.
Speaker 2:Protecting his fucking food stand, his park stand.
Speaker 1:So yeah, that guy got shot. The pink haired girl we see her run away and she steals Harmony's car to go home With Harry in the back, Harry in the back, baby. So later we cut to. Harry wakes up in a garage. He looks around for anyone in the apartment. Here's people come in though, so he ducks under a bed. Here's the pink haired girl and one of the kidnappers.
Speaker 2:One of the kidnappers is trying to like calm her down, he's like don't worry, you think they're about to have sex.
Speaker 1:Yeah and it's like hey, don't worry, you won't ever have to worry about this again. Pew pew shoots her with a silencer. Um, I fucking love this scene. That was badass whenever cause the pink haired girl falls to the floor and is still kind of alive staring at harry, who's just like shaking she says something that she's like don't I know you, or something she's like who are you? Like I know you. She keeps trying to. She keeps trying to say, like who are you?
Speaker 1:yeah, and he like puts her hand blood, his bloody hand on this soon-to-be corpse makes all the terrible decisions, yeah, and then she dies, and then he's kind of shocked, he's in shock. And he kind of waits so he doesn't hear any noises, gets back up from the other side of the bed and the silencer is still there and the guy comes in. He's like getting ready to pull out trash bags and stuff.
Speaker 1:And then he notices I was like yeah, oh well, look if it's not Mr Tough Guy and he picks up the gun. He's like's, like oh, you got a gun, don't ya? And then like almost got Canadian there oh, got a gun, don't ya? It's like it's Fargo all of a sudden sorry, and then he just like shoots the shit out of this guy.
Speaker 1:Hell yeah man but like it's a great dramatic tense scene yeah, it's like I never thought of, like, oh yeah, just it was the fact that she was still alive a little bit. And it's like he wants to help her, but it's like I'm going to die. It's like how could you fucking do this? Yeah, and then he just gets mad. He's like just kills him and then, like, after he does it, it's like, fuck, I just killed a person for the first time. But then we quickly cut to him, making a bunch of more terrible decisions. He puts his finger on ice. He puts his finger on ice, he's still in the Pink Hairs girl's house and then he's going to wash his bloody hand out in her sink and it's like this is not what we do in this situation, you immediately discusomize just hold it in your hand with your finger and then get out of there, dude.
Speaker 1:So he then gets a call from. We see the dog come in, get in the finger in his mouth. Perry calls. He's like Perry, I killed a man, I killed the kidnapper. He's like, okay, wipe the place for prints and evidence and then get out of there. And he's like I can't. He's like why my prints are on the dog. It's like what? No, my dog has the prints. It's like why my prints are on the dog. It's like what? No, my dog has the prints. It's like, well, what? They're not going to check the dog. He's like he's got my finger in his mouth. He's like, well, just get it, shoot it, kill the dog.
Speaker 2:Whatever you got to do.
Speaker 1:And then the dog swallows. It's like, oh, never mind. But then he gets like Did you immediately?
Speaker 2:imagine the dog pooping out the finger and it's like the Ace Ventura coming out of the rhino's butt.
Speaker 1:I didn't think of that I didn't think of that. The rhino thing, but I did think that he might have pooped out the finger that would be so funny.
Speaker 2:He just comes out, looks at the points, thinking boop, boop.
Speaker 1:Just running around with a finger halfway up his butt. But yeah, then things get a little dramatic and he tells Perry I killed a guy and he kind of breaks down because he's never done it before.
Speaker 2:And Perry don't give a fuck really.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's like I'm sorry you have to get out. But then the dog comes up to him and starts whining because he's sad. Aw, he's a good boy Harry hangs up on him and then he's kind of.
Speaker 2:You think Snake would do that?
Speaker 1:if he ate your finger, that if he ate your finger I'd probably just whine to go outside. Or just like, bring me a toy, like play with me, I don't care that you're sad, I need things. Um so, uh. Then we cut to the three of them talking at, uh, harry's hotel and they think the case is closed. The kidnappers are all dead and you know now. We know everything, I guess.
Speaker 1:But Perry still has questions. Why did Harmony's sister call Perry? What's up with the Dexter father-daughter stuff? Perry says that it's over and like they're like what? No, it's not. There's still so much more. We got to like probe some more or whatever we got to sleuth, and then like Harmony kind of keeps going on, like we got to figure more out, and then Perry's like we need to stop before you get me and Harry killed. Everybody's dying, yeah, so, and then Harmony's about to leave. Harry goes back outside. They're kind of arguing a bit. Harmony says that she is not as amazing as he thinks and then he eventually confesses that he's still stuff and he doesn't ever finish anything in his life. That's why he made out with her friend.
Speaker 2:That's a good excuse, I guess.
Speaker 1:Stole it. But then she's like all right, I'll come up, but we got to stop by the bar first. So they drunkenly go up to the hotel, she undresses and gets into bed. Harry, nervous suddenly.
Speaker 2:Harry nervous, suddenly thinks about the fact that Veronica didn't have any underwear on under her dress. His character in this scene is just like he's trying to be a good guy, but then his dick is always in control of everything. Well, he's like.
Speaker 1:I'm just going to sleep on the couch, and then she gives him the invitation to go on the bed.
Speaker 2:He's like okay, we'll see how this she's like, yeah, but it's just sleep.
Speaker 1:It's like if we'll see, yeah, but it's just sleep. It's like if it's not awkward for you, and it's like, well, let's find out it immediately is.
Speaker 1:But with the whole he's like, wondering, it's like if she's a born again, why wouldn't she be wearing any underwear Dang, which we're slowly piecing it together? But after this whole scene, like it fully, she nasty. So Harry gets into bed with Harmony after essentially being invited, and they are essentially all both drunk and horny because immediately she comes up and just like starts like wiggling all over him, topless, and it's just like it's like and so he has a boner and he's very uncomfortable about it, and it's like dude, she brought up that you have a boner.
Speaker 2:And then she's like she's wiggling all over you.
Speaker 1:Like I don't think she's going to care about the boner dude. No, like, even if y'all aren't going to have sex, I think she's just kind of she offers to do something about it, yeah.
Speaker 1:And he's like I don't want to be like a pity fuck, no, I'm too good for that getting it. He can't finish. He keeps getting his way chopped your figure off, oh man, yeah, not that she owes you anything. For some reason she keeps coming back to you. It's like you just have to let it happen, man. And so it's going to happen. They kiss, it's romantic and they're gonna have sex, but harmony has something to tell him cut to him, kicking her out because she had sex with her best friend, chuck chutney. Yeah, what a name. Dudes are dumb. Yeah, they are. It's like, hey, that was like a long time ago. Yeah, like maybe 15 years ago, probably more time to get over it. Yes, you're not in high school anymore. Sometimes those high school wounds, you know they, they're deep inside, they are. They don't go away, they cut deep. That's why it completely makes who you are the rest of your life yeah, that sucks.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we need to have better.
Speaker 1:Well, it doesn't like make who you are, but it gives you all all the trauma, yeah, that you're not going to realize is going to stick with you.
Speaker 2:It creates all those empty spaces. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1:So it cuts her outside of the hotel. She's crying, but then calls Harry to ask if Veronica was raped and Harry says no. So why does she not have underwear on? We'll find out soon. Day four Harry is waking up, harry. He tells him Harmony is in trouble. She is investigating Veronica and apparently Harmony has solved the case. But they can't find her. I don't know why I whispered that part. Harry tells Perry that they know because of the underwear thing.
Speaker 1:They go to Dexter Mental Health Clinic. They talk to a patient who shows them that she isn't wearing any underwear. The actress that plays this like the face she makes after she, like, takes off her pants. She's like like she was very funny, she's just having fun. Yeah, she was very funny. I've seen the actress in many things, I don't know what, but that is not the first time. I've seen the actress in many things, I don't know what, but that is not the first time I've seen seen her in something. Um. So apparently Veronica was a patient there. That means that it's been two different girls this whole time and they believe he hired a girl that looks like Veronica to go to court with him and they think it's Harmony's sister.
Speaker 1:So that's why they think Harmony was probably murdered by Dexter now at this point, because she was paid to act like his daughter yeah, harmony's sister was paid to act like his daughter and the reason Veronica's in the mental institution is so that she wasn't going to sue him.
Speaker 1:She was planning on suing him and now he can't because she's yeah, they switched him out, fun. So they leave and one of the orderlies holds a gun up at him, at gunpoint, and I love it. It's like because he's got the gun up to him and Perry's doing all the talking and then Perry says something that makes the guy mad and he hits Harry. He's like I didn't even say anything.
Speaker 2:He hits at something that makes the guy mad and he hits harry's like I didn't even say anything.
Speaker 1:Yeah because perry's like you know in movies how uh they always have the gun pointed directly at your back. Well, professionals prefer if you have five feet of distance between them and then he takes the gun and then he's like fuck you, slaps him.
Speaker 2:Doesn't feel good when you just get slapped for no reason uh, so that's an instant knockout usually, yeah, if you hit someone with a gun in your hand, yeah, I guess.
Speaker 1:If, maybe if you hit him on the I guess it wasn't directly in the forehead, like they do in movies sometimes. So they start to ask him questions, but he says he doesn't know anything. And then they're they, just everything that they know. Um, but one thing we did learn from this conversation we learned that they killed veronica because the boyfriend would have spotted the fake uh, which will come up a little later on why a body's getting cremated is this the guy that he plays rusted roulette with?
Speaker 2:yeah, I guess he's like he puts the bullet in there because he won't talk. He's like he just shoots it with the first shot Is that the same guy.
Speaker 1:What? Oh, yeah, yeah, that's this part, yeah. So when the guy isn't answering any questions, Harry gets tough and puts one bullet in his gun to intimidate him. But when it goes to pull the trigger, he actually shoots him in the head. It's like there was an 8% chance. Like what are you a mathematician? 8%, 8% chance. Like what are you a math petition? 8%. Yeah. And then I love it because Harmony calls and Perry tells her to call, like I guess the morgue or whatever about Veronica's body. But this whole time he's like telling Harmony, he's like shut up and then, like Harry's doing math, he's like stop doing math, but he wants her to check to see if Veronica's body is going to be cremated. So then Dexter shows up and has them at gunpoint and then, like you got this one really tough, like I guess, like thug guy, I don't know, it's like one of the heavies and he's patting down Perry and Perry's just like constantly giggling.
Speaker 1:And he's like um, um, harmony calls, uh for a second Perry's phone and like the guy's gonna throw him the phone but Harry's able to snatch it out of the air and send it to magic and he's immediately like help, dexter's got us call the cops or something like that. And then they get the phone and she's like pretending to be a carpet salesman, so good, and he falls. He falls for her. Yeah, it's the middle of the night and then, like she's obviously like talking, uh, and it's uh, 40%. It's like, well, either way, she just they just told like this guy's killing somebody, so maybe you should have to go kill the carpet lady now. Yeah, um, so Perry and Harry are tied up. Uh, the thug is going to shock Harry's balls to find out who else knows about the case man.
Speaker 1:how bad must that hurt? Yeah, I know. So we see Dexter getting ready to cremate his daughter. He's like going to take the casket into a van and drive off. Perry is goading the torturer into letting his guard down because he keeps saying oh, I know, you're actually gay. I can tell it's like this is what you want and he's like starts rummaging his pants.
Speaker 1:But, every time he keeps trying to make the guy mad, the guys is hitting the electric shock button harder on Harry. He's like, stop, I'm not the one saying any of this, oh it's so funny, yeah. And then so he starts putting his hand like in down his pants, like, is this what you want? Is this what you want? Then bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. And he shoots and kills him with his little crotch rocket or crotch gun it was in his pants. And then he tells Harry's like homophobes never check there, man, they should.
Speaker 1:Or check the dick Right Immediately In movies. They usually never show them grabbing there.
Speaker 2:No, they never do, and they've used this in, like in Long Kiss Good Night. They did the same thing, right, I can't remember. Yeah, because the guy that was like her trainer, the guy one hand loose, she reaches in his crotch, grabs his gun.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, shit. I should rewatch that movie. You'd think more criminals would have seen these movies.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know they're too bad being criminals, man, they ain't got time to watch movies, they ain't got time to check a dick, yeah. So outside we see the caskets in a van and they're about to drive off. But Harmony hops into the van with a casket and drives off. Perry calls and she says she will pick them up. She immediately passes them because she can't stop because there's a car chasing her. Now they give chase. Harmony ends up crashing the van just a little later down the road the people chasing her get out to shoot her but she jumps off a bridge and then Harry and Perry run after and Perry gets shot and it goes straight through him and into Harry. Perry is unconscious or dead. Harry tries to give mouth to mouth and then like a bunch of blood.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that long blood.
Speaker 1:See. The difference between Harry now and then is that Harry like just left immediately. This time he's trying to save his buddy, save his buddy. Yeah. So Harmony calls Harry. He picks up and she says harold, use your awesome might to save me from this hopeless night.
Speaker 2:No, that's not what you say when you're dying she's not dying, she's.
Speaker 1:She just fell. She's probably just got like. She felt like 10 feet. She has head trauma probably. I love when she's rolling down the hill. She's rolling so slow yeah.
Speaker 2:It's like rolling so slow so dramatically.
Speaker 1:So Harry, now with the fire in him, gets up to finish all this, I'm going to have sex one day. Suddenly, Dexter shows up to run him over. He jumps off the bridge and lands on the casket that from earlier ended up landing on an interstate sign and the hand's hanging out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and the hand hangs out.
Speaker 1:And so he's on top of the casket or he's holding onto the hand that's in the casket and the gun is stuck on top of the casket. As Dexter is about to shoot Harry, the gun falls, he catches it and shoots.
Speaker 2:Dexter immediately. That was fucking awesome. Yeah, this rules.
Speaker 1:This whole part like holy shit Harry rules. He then shoots at the car coming from Harmony shit Harry rules. He then shoots at the car coming from Harmony. He falls on their car and expertly kills the two men easily he's like he's like there all finished all of a sudden. We're done it's over everything's done and then he goes to Harmony who's worried he is shot. He shows her that they got Johnny Gosper book. It's off the bullet and he's like puts the finger through.
Speaker 1:Oh wait, and then starts passing out good bit, good bit, cause it's like ah, classic, always getting stuck by like a badge, a book or something, yeah, um. Then we cut to the next day and Harmony and Harry are all at the hospital he's fine. And then Perry comes in, it's like, and so Harry the narrator stops everything or just kinda comes up, it's like, and so Harry the narrator stops or just kind of comes up. He's like, brings up how unbelievable it is that everybody lived. It's like this must be one of those third act producer things where they don't want a negative ending, so they make sure everybody comes back alive.
Speaker 2:And then he has like everybody comes in and Abraham Lincoln comes in, and then Abraham Lincoln comes in.
Speaker 1:And then Elvis, yeah, but. And then, to essentially wrap up all the plot lines, perry tells Harmony that her sister actually killed herself. The imposter, veronica, was actually the girl in the pink wig. He tells her that her sister thought that Dexter was her actual father. So she went to see Dexter and saw Dexter with the pink haired girl. She couldn't handle that. Her old father and her new father were both abusers, so she killed herself. Yeah, damn, talk about bad timing on going to Dexter's house, right, yeah. So, harry, he's walking Perry into the hospital. Now they're all friends. Perry tells him not to steal anymore because he's not a punk.
Speaker 1:Oh, and then a hunky hunky nurse walks by and he turns Perry around like you. Bet I want to turn around.
Speaker 2:He doesn't even know he's gay. Look at the way he walks. He thinks that guy's 6'4".
Speaker 1:And then, and then we get this scene. They go to Harmony's sister sister's funeral in indiana and we get a scene of perry slapping harmony's father and putting him in his place. Yeah, perry tells him that. Um, it's like he's the one that killed his daughter. Daughter. He pulled the trigger a long time ago. It just took a while for the bullet to hit her that's fucked up.
Speaker 1:It is cool scene, kind of like retribution for the daughter, it's just like so wild, because, like you know, like you think, oh it's ending, we have the happy ending. Then it's like well, now we're gonna slap around this guy a little bit and it's just like whoa, it's dark, but it's like hell fucking yeah, at the same time, right it's like, yeah, so then we cut out of the movie and sees harry telling the story to a camera.
Speaker 2:Harry now works for Perry he's telling the story, for Harry's got a ponytail for some reason.
Speaker 1:And he's telling the story for a movie pitch. Perry tells us to stay for the end credits and for the people in the Midwest. We're sorry, we said fuck so much. The end that's Kiss, kiss, bang Bang baby Fuck.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man, it was a fun ass movie, potentially our last Shane Black directed movie until we start doing some Marvel movies.
Speaker 1:Yeah, cause we'll have to do Iron man 3 eventually.
Speaker 2:I guess we will run out of movies one day. Well, I'm totally fine with doing Marvel movies.
Speaker 1:I just don't know when I want to start doing them. There's just so many good movies, you know it's hard to be like which one to do. Um, I love this movie. This movie is so much fun and it's just well written and just I don't know. It's a fun murder mystery. It's pretty convoluted which makes it even better for me.
Speaker 1:I like convoluted mysteries and yeah, let's go, baby, give me some of these. Like. The last one I remember watching was like Confess Fletch, confess Fletch. I've never heard of that. It's just like a Fletch movie you ever watch.
Speaker 1:Fletch with what's his name? Chevy Chase? No, damn dude. We're going to do Fletch. We're going to do Fletch soon. So we're going to hop into our category the good, the bad, the ugly, the fine. It's where we talk about the bad, something we didn't like, the ugly, something that didn't age well. The fine, something that did age well. The good I put Val Kilmer.
Speaker 2:Robert.
Speaker 1:Downey and Michelle Monaghan. They crushed it and I mean you watched the movie, you know that they're good, they ruled. I think this movie doesn't work with anybody else. I mean it probably would. This movie doesn't work without Robert Downey Jr. Yeah, I'm just going to say it. There's no way. He just says the dialogue perfectly.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and he kind of created his future character, yeah.
Speaker 1:I think it's like the first time. It's like, oh, you can just give him any script and he's just going to be able to wit his way through it. You know, hell yeah, dude, it's just the way he talks. I love it, he's a fast talker.
Speaker 2:He's really smart.
Speaker 1:Something I realized by doing this podcast is I like to talk fast too, which is why I stumble over my words all the time, because your brain gets ahead of yourself. Yeah, so what do you?
Speaker 2:got for the good, just like murder mysteries and that may even be like, and that may even be like. I think they they age pretty well too Like.
Speaker 1:but this is why there's a billion cop drama shows all the time.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Every episode's a murder mystery.
Speaker 2:Sure, but I think this movie kind of does it, does it in kind of a special way. How it, when you think, if you think about noir movies, they've all got kind of a lot of the same themes and I think they kind of hit on all the themes, yeah, um, but kind of make it modern as well, yeah, modern and shane black's own thing.
Speaker 1:It's like his witty dialogue so for dick guns, yeah, um. So for the bad, I put everybody talks so fast and everybody's so witty, and I don't have an issue with that, but I think it makes it harder to understand the resolution of the film. I see that, uh, I think the movie probably could have done a little bit better. Like I just went online and I looked up kiss, kiss, bang, bang and most of the reddit thing was like wait, I don't understand how this all got put together.
Speaker 1:There's like a lot of things like that and then people having to be like okay, I understand it's a little difficult, but like editing was a nightmare, this, this, this and this was it and it's like oh. So I think that people, because it's so funny and like snappy, yeah, I think maybe people have a hard time understanding like all the twists and turns, because there's like five different twists, yeah and they're all just spelled out through dialogue, so it can be easy to miss, especially when you're kind of laughing at the same time of trying to listen. Yeah, trying to. Yeah, this is you're trying to like.
Speaker 1:Your brain is not going as fast as it should be but like I didn't have any issue with the resolution, but it just seems like just from some of the vibes on like reddit and stuff seems like maybe people had a hard time understanding the resolution. So that it just seems like just from some of the vibes on like Reddit and stuff it seems like maybe people had a hard time understanding the resolution.
Speaker 2:So that might be the bad. Yeah, I don't know. I never really experienced that. My bad was like Robert Downey Jr's narration a lot of the times.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was just.
Speaker 2:It's a noir thing now yeah maybe they had to have it noir thing though. Yeah, maybe I guess, but like it was just I don't know. I feel like they maybe tried too hard yeah, yes, it's made it really goofy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, the narration did like there's nothing wrong with goofy but I feel like yeah, the narration doesn't work to the end of the movie. That's why I say because then you see that he's pitching a movie at the same time, and it's like OK, so you kind of say it in the context of a movie, so everything's a grip, yeah, so, and I think it's just kind of like that's what's making it off putting at the beginning.
Speaker 2:It's like, oh wait, he's explaining, he's explaining it to producers.
Speaker 1:And that's the narration. Instead of it's like. This is just old timey noir stuff. But I do understand, like the narration, especially at the beginning is kind of off-putting. Yeah, that's really the only part that was weird for me was the beginning narration, Because when I started I was like, oh yeah, the narration is kind of weird at the start.
Speaker 2:And like having to backtrack all like that kind of threw me off a little bit, it's like they did the same thing?
Speaker 1:essentially not really, but alright, so the ugly, something that didn't age well, so much female abuse, yeah there's a lot of female abuse.
Speaker 2:Um, yeah, and I felt like Harmony's character was just a little too bro-y sometimes, yeah, or like a bro's idea, it's like ah, she's so fine if I touch her a lot.
Speaker 1:She's so cool with it. I could just slap her tit, right? Yeah, she's just cool with me being stupid. It's like I don't know. It just seems like, especially, you know, now it's like everybody's like say something if something like that happens. But I don't know, to early 2000s, I mean, it's probably just how it was in la yeah, but I felt like her producers just didn't.
Speaker 2:to me it didn't fit with her character who was supposed to be Like she's supposed to be like super, like kind of tough.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you figured she'd be kind of like fighting against it, since her sister had to go through it. So much, yeah, but I don't know, it's just, I guess she's I mean, I don't know, just yeah, person of abuse. Obviously your father hit her all the time. Yeah, probably, um, is that the same thing you had?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that was basically what I was going to say.
Speaker 1:Um and for the fine I put, obviously Robert Downey Jr.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he aged well. Yeah, he definitely.
Speaker 1:Physically.
Speaker 2:And, yes, he looks much better after this movie. He looks kind of small and weak in this movie, yeah, and that made me feel a little weird, like I don't know. Compared to Iron man, maybe he's just a little older in those. He doesn't have facial hair.
Speaker 1:Kind of always has facial hair Maybe that's what it is. Yeah, and he has the classic goatee from Iron man that he had in the comic books and stuff, okay, so it's kind of weird seeing him without it, because it's been so long since we've really seen him without facial hair that much.
Speaker 2:Maybe that's what it is. I did like his character, even though he was a fucking idiot yeah.
Speaker 1:No, it's just like I just think you know it's just cool that his story there was a redemption for him, just in general, yeah, his.
Speaker 2:Why does this change?
Speaker 1:Well, I just mean, like even in real life, oh, it's like Robert Downey Jr. You did it, man. You came back from just you know, From the brink, Potentially ruining your life with drugs and alcohol, and now you're. Everybody loves you. I don't know anybody. That's like. I actually kind of don't like Robert. Downey Jr, I'd be like well then, I don't want to talk to you, especially if you're going to say it like that Did you have anything for the fine?
Speaker 2:Uh, the fine. I think I kind of touched on a little bit already, but like the the mist, like a good smart mystery yeah. Um murder mystery, like lots of weird shit in it. Yeah, it's just right.
Speaker 1:That's why those knives out films are so good. With Ryan Johnson. It's likeson we don't get those. Yeah, it's like you just don't get. You don't get, or they're not. They're not what's talked about.
Speaker 2:No one talks about murder mysteries yeah, and I think that this this movie does. It does like a murder mystery a lot better than a lot of murder mysteries I've seen lately, like especially Grotesquerie, bro. It just goes so many places it's like too much, but like this, I think. Don't even talk to me about Grotesquerie.
Speaker 1:What I hate is that I'm roped in for season two. Oh no, the ropes.
Speaker 2:I got them again.
Speaker 1:I got to know what's going to happen. It's like I've never watched something so more infuriating and just also like, well, what is it about? Yeah, I have to go to season two to know what the point of anything is so I guess what I'm saying is I'm glad this wasn't a series yeah. Because it definitely would have Shoot. But if you gave me like a eight episode series of Val Kilmer, robert Downey Jr and Michelle Monaghan, directed by Shane Black, sign me up. And Michelle Monaghan, directed by.
Speaker 2:Shane Black. Sign me up.
Speaker 1:I'd watch it. Sign me up For sure. Horrible, yes. So that's our first category. We're going to finish it off by doing our next category, which is Double Feature, a movie we recommend alongside this movie. Did you have anything?
Speaker 2:Yes, the Saint Hell yeah Fun movie Never seen it. He's a spy, can't wait to watch it one day. And he's not even that great of a, he's kind of a not great guy. And the saint too, like uh, even though he's kind of the saint I'm just gonna say spies probably not good guys.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're not. You have to be, you have to be devious and, uh, anything willing to manipulate everybody yeah, if your career is based on deception, it's not going to be awesome. Man, I really do want to watch it. I want to watch every Val Kilmer movie. I was a huge fan of him as a kid. Tombstone.
Speaker 2:Hell yeah Top.
Speaker 1:Secret. Now I love him in Heat. I didn't watch that as a kid, but I watched that earlier. And then, what is it? What else is he in that? I loved him in Batman Forever. That was my favorite.
Speaker 2:Batman movie as a kid that was a good ass.
Speaker 1:Batman movie. I liked that one more than I liked the other ones, tommy Lee.
Speaker 2:Jones as a kid yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, jim Carrey.
Speaker 2:Yeah, jim Carrey, that's what I was thinking of. It's just a cool ass villain.
Speaker 1:The first 20 minutes of Batman Forever are actually a really good Batman movie. And then it just, you know they did what they just they went bug ass wild the rest of the movie and it gets all weird, but it's fun. It's a fun one to watch. Oh yeah, I chose the great Coen brother movie because I'm a Coen head that's what they call us, I guess A Coen dog. Burn After Reading. Burn after reading. That is written and directed by the Coen brothers. Stars Brad Pitt, francis McDormand, george Clooney, john Malkovich, Tilda Swinton.
Speaker 2:Richard Jenkins. God damn, how about I never see this JK?
Speaker 1:Simmons, yep, everybody, and even more people that you'll be like I know that guy. And it's essentially Francis McDormand and Brad Pitt. They own a gym or whatever. Essentially, Francis McDormand and Brad Pitt, they own a gym or whatever. They work at a gym and they find a disc containing mysterious information about a CIA agent ends up and they attempt to sell it and it just kind of.
Speaker 2:Oh, and then they have to play dodgeball to save their gym. No, that's the other one.
Speaker 1:I almost recommended that one. No, it's great. It's just because it guys. It's what Coen brothers do so much Idiots getting themselves into situations that's way over their heads. It's so fun, it's the greatest. It's like what every single movie they do is Raising Arizona, all of them.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, raising Arizona so good.
Speaker 1:I'm going to say we're going to do that one soon. I was looking for my Blu-ray of Kiss, kiss, bang Bang and it was right next to Raising Arizona. I was like I signed, but we're still in Christmas.
Speaker 2:Hell yeah. So what's our?
Speaker 1:next Christmas movie.
Speaker 2:We're doing our last.
Speaker 1:Christmas movie of the year, and I'll fight you if you say it isn't because we're doing Die Hard, baby. Yippee, we're finally doing it, we're doing it, we're doing. It's just nothing but bangers this month, baby, it's nothing but good ones. So yeah, join us for that. You know, I was watching Harry Potter, watched the fourth and fifth. No, the fifth and sixth movie.
Speaker 2:That one's just like Die Hard.
Speaker 1:No, but you know it has Alan Rickman in it and I was just like I love that man, alan Rickman's such a good actor. And I like the whole time I was like I want to watch Die Hard, I want to watch Die Hard, I want to watch Die Hard.
Speaker 2:So that's why we're doing Die.
Speaker 1:Hard. Just do it, because it's Alan Rickman's best performance and he's so good in that movie and Bruce Willis is. It's Fuck yeah man. So yeah, join us for Die Hard baby. I think the Fifth Element is my favorite Bruce Willis.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 1:I can see that. Yeah, fifth Element God, he is so good in that movie. We should redo Fifth Element for the pod. I'd love to. It's one of my favorite movies ever. So, yeah, make sure you join us next week for that. It's our Christmas episode. Hopefully, hopefully I will, because I never remember to say happy Halloween or Merry Christmas or Happy Thanksgiving in the holiday episode.
Speaker 2:We should make up our own holiday.
Speaker 1:Yeah, jesse Day and Jason Day, but it's like Jesse Day, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot dot and Jason Day, just kidding. So make sure you join us next week. Leave us some comments. At the beginning of the episode we're like hey, we're thinking about changing it up. Tell us if you're for it or not. There's a link at the top of the description and at the bottom is our email. We recommend mailbag at gmailcom and follow us on our social medias. Leave us some dang old reviews and comments, please. Yeah, that'd be great. We'd love to interact. Also, we're on blue sky now.
Speaker 2:You can interact also. We're on blue sky now you can follow us there.
Speaker 1:I don't know how much I'll use it, but you can follow us there um. And thank you, joey prosser, for our intro and outro music. Uh, you can follow him on x at mr joey prosser dang it. This has been the we recommend podcast. I've been jesse, I've been jason, bye, bye.
