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Man on Fire
"Man on Fire" unfolds a gripping tale of love, loss, and vengeance through the eyes of former CIA operative John Creasy, brilliantly portrayed by Denzel Washington. As he bonds with young Pita Ramos, their relationship takes a tragic turn when she is kidnapped, igniting a relentless pursuit for justice. The episode dives deep into the themes of sacrifice, family dynamics, and the moral gray areas of revenge.
• Exploration of Creasy’s emotional journey and inner conflict
• Dakota Fanning's standout performance as Pita Ramos
• Analysis of the film’s pacing and editing techniques
• The significance of real-world kidnapping issues portrayed in the film
• Discussion on the film’s tragic yet impactful conclusion
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Hello and welcome to the we Recommend Podcast, a movie podcast where every week we recommend a movie for you to watch and then come back here and listen to us discuss. I'm Jesse and I'm Jason. What are you going to do? What I do best, I'm going to kill them. Anyone that was involved, anybody who profited from it, anybody who opens their eyes at me, kill them all Because this week we recommend man on fire. So this was my first time watching it. Hell yeah, thank you, jason, for telling us that we should watch it because this movie goes. I know it's so entertaining, I love it. It's like the first time I watched a nearly three hour long movie and been like, yeah, I didn't want them to cut anything, and I'm Mr, cut your movie down as short as possible.
Speaker 2:I know it moves, so it just has a great pace yeah.
Speaker 1:I remember so, right before she gets kidnapped, I paused it and I was like man, I bet that was only like 20, 30 minutes and I was like that was like an hour of the movie. I was like no wonder, like cause. I was like so happy and I was like, oh, nothing bad's going to happen.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like with Dakota Fanning is is such a sweet, like their relationship, their relationship, uh, building is you love watching Denzel.
Speaker 1:Whatever Denzel's doing, I'm watching it.
Speaker 2:It's like I was, you know. I was thinking it's kind of like don't feed your mogwai after night. Don't let Creasy fall in love with anyone, yeah.
Speaker 1:Cause they're gone, they have no shot and lots of people are going to die. So I was like Lisa is definitely going to end up dying at some point. Cause they point? Because they obviously want to have sex.
Speaker 2:Interesting fact.
Speaker 1:There's two sex scenes in this movie that were cut. Oh wow, lisa and her husband and Lisa and Indel, really, yeah, I mean like the scene when she goes in to talk to yeah, after he has he tells Well, he's like doing tutoring the daughter in the bedroom and then she comes in and I'm like, dude, she's horny bro, she's wearing like a crazy outfit.
Speaker 2:She loves when people protect her daughter. Yeah, she loves it.
Speaker 1:Yes, let's actually talk about Lisa, who is played by. What's her name? What's her name? Radha Mitchell? What was her accent? Was she British or Southern? I think she was Southern. That British accent came out quite often. I have no idea if she's British, but it almost sounded British a couple of times. I don't know. Every time she talked I was like dude, like I don't know, like just be normal.
Speaker 1:Just be a normal like, whatever voice you do, just do that one, just pick one and go with it. Yeah, it's like, if you're like, she didn't have to be American, she could have just been British in this, or something.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she literally could have been anything, but she's like I got to do it all.
Speaker 1:But her husband's like in the automotive business and like they have to go to like Michigan and stuff, and I was like well does make her sound northern. I feel like it's an easier accent for this lady, maybe Not working the Southern accent for sure. That was probably actually the only part of the movie I was like what are we doing with her?
Speaker 2:No, mine with her was whenever Creasy, or is it Creasy, creasy?
Speaker 1:Creasy.
Speaker 2:Whenever he shows up to meet her for the first time and it's like their second bodyguard that they've had, and then she doesn't really ask him any questions about his life.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, they go right past that one.
Speaker 2:She's like you're an American Good enough, yeah.
Speaker 1:And then like pours him a drink and he's like do you want a drink? And then he drinks it in one gulp. I'm like, hey, that means he's an alcoholic by the way because people usually don't drink whiskey. A full glass of whiskey in one gulp.
Speaker 2:Whiskey and water, oh is that what it was To be fair.
Speaker 1:Oh okay, but yeah, like I can't believe how like effective this movie is, because it's smart that it spends like the first 40 to an hour building the relationship right. You learn the characters, you build the relationship. You feel like the husband's a little sketchy. The mother just seems like la, la, la, la, la. And you feel like the husband's a little sketchy. The mother just seems like la, la, la, la, la, and then even like watching them swim and then all of a sudden all the like help around the house.
Speaker 1:They're all there with them cheering and I'm like let's go. And then you take her to the swimming pool and the nun teacher lady's like you're a father now and I'm like God, dang it. And then they you know, it's like Denzel Dakota Fanning, christopher Walken and his wife they're all just like having a good time at the table. And she gives him the necklace.
Speaker 2:And I'm like no, no, it's over.
Speaker 1:Now, this is the best, like most happiest point you'll be during this movie. There's no way. It's like you know the next scene is going to suck. It's the same like with romantic comedies, where you're like everything's perfect and happy, I love it. It's like crap. It's a romantic comedy, they're going to break up and it's going to be bad and I'm going to feel bad for 10 to 20 minutes. But with a movie like this, you get the point where oh, now we get like an hour of revenge. And just seeing him be awesome.
Speaker 2:What was your favorite death? Because mine was the butt thing, the butt grenade.
Speaker 1:Is there any other death in the movie?
Speaker 2:Yeah, a couple.
Speaker 1:It's the only death that matters. I was like I thought it was going to be one of those things where he is just going to let the timer go out and then shoots him or backs his car out onto the freeway and it falls on him. Oh yeah, but I thought the whole timer thing was just going to be like a decoy.
Speaker 1:And then he walks off and it's the fire. It's a really cool shot that he's walking away from the explosion, but then I'm like you just sit there and think about it. It's like he put a bomb up that dude's butt. If it wasn't just in, like the, the trunk of the car, which I feel like was probably what it actually was yeah, because you could tell.
Speaker 2:Like, looking at the explosion, it looked like it started in the carpet, whatever it doesn't or it's like.
Speaker 1:When did you put that in his butt, dude? I'm way up there, it's like, but I guess if he did put it up his butt he'd know, because he'd be uncomfortable and his butt would probably hurt yeah, a little bit.
Speaker 2:I just feel like I gotta think he lubed it, but he probably had to.
Speaker 1:I don't think he did, because you know he's not like doing this for fun.
Speaker 2:No, I feel like that would just make it easy his job easier. Yeah, that's true, I feel.
Speaker 1:I don't know, just cuts to him putting some Vaseline on top of the car. That would have been pretty good, oh gosh. So Christopher Walken, I did not expect him to show up in this movie and he just like hey, I'm just like the fun best friend. Yeah, some cool, cool little fact about him. He took this role. He was actually supposed to be the main bad guy but he was like no, let me be his friend, because I'm tired of playing bad guys, because he's been playing a bad guy for a while at this point.
Speaker 2:Ok, I thought he was really cool because he was just like he just seemed like a great buddy Fun guy. Yeah, yeah, he cared about his friend.
Speaker 1:You know, try to make him laugh, try to make it Helped him get a bunch of weapons. Yeah, it's great. Oh, dude, the lock and loads. Yeah, it's just because he just had a conversation with Lisa and he's like just kill them all. And then he's like just kill them all. And then he's like OK. Then he goes and you see RPGs and stuff and it's like let's go.
Speaker 2:And you see the charger, the butt plug thing. Yeah, like what's that going to be? Yeah, I did not know what that?
Speaker 1:I didn't even like grasp what that could have been used for. And I'm like, ok, but I saw, like the RPGs and I he's going to find a way to use this in this movie. And then I'm like, oh, there's no way he's going to use it around a bunch of birds and some poor old people Like dang, you did all those things. No amazing, though, dakota Fanning.
Speaker 2:I mean precious. Yeah, she's adorable and she just yeah, she kills it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she's kind of great in everything that she's a little kid in. We've done Signs this. Oh wait, no, she's not in Signs, it's Contaminated. It's the Little Miss Sunshine. Yeah that's that girl that was in Signs. But we've done War of the Worlds and man on Fire with Dakota Fanning now. She's great in both she's kind of the best actor in both of them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she's amazing and she's also done a lot of really great voice acting for Studio Ghibli movies.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember. I can't remember which one's off the top of my head, but yeah, I can't either.
Speaker 2:I didn't remember looking at it. I was like dang Dakota Fanning.
Speaker 1:I'm running here, but yeah, she's great.
Speaker 2:She little grown-up kid, yeah, she's like. She's always kind of like smart like a like smarter than a normal snot-nosed little brat.
Speaker 1:Like she's never the brat, she's always like the smart witty and it's like the scene when she they're kind of first together in the car she's taking, he's taking her to school, and then she's like trying to talk to him, but he's like, look, I'm not your friend, and he's like, don't cry, it's like I'm not, and then just gets out and gets in the back seat and it's like, oh, she's played that so well. Ok, let's see, let's hop into some factoids. I don't know how I was going to say it. So most of the scenes between Denzel and Christopher Walken were completely improvised by them.
Speaker 1:Oh, cool, yeah, so uh, the at the dinner scene, you know, like the kiss, the wife thing, like that was improvised, and stuff like that, apparently, yeah, um, and to bring it to quentin tarantino, a little bit, um, especially since there's christopher walken, quentin tarantino a little, you know they're in a movie together yeah, um, writer brian helgeland I don't know how you say that first saw them original man on fire, because this was a had joe pesci the original when he was renting videos in the late 80s he walked into the video store where quentin tarantino was working and asked what was good?
Speaker 1:tarantino recommended man on fire and he's a huge fan of tony scott, like I know. The movie unstoppable that we did that was directed by tony scott. Um, because of quentin Tarantino on a podcast. Nice, it's like it all comes together. Yeah, so what do you think? You could definitely tell it's the same director, right? Unstoppable man on fire.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I think so Because there's a lot of the cutting, the fucking insane editing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the editing.
Speaker 1:That's what I meant. It takes a minute to get used to, just like it did in Unstoppable. I'm like, oh, we're doing this again. You get a little dizzy sometimes. Dude, you could just film a scene. This is such a 2000s thing. It's so annoying.
Speaker 2:I did kind of like how, just every once in a while, they would put up the keywords up on the screen. They just kind of disappear in a weird way.
Speaker 1:Whenever they do the time thing with the five minutes and it's popping up on screen. You just see it ticking. That was pretty cool, but just like the flash and the constant, like editing the same scene 50 times, like dude, you can just show me the movie what do you, what do you think about the the music.
Speaker 2:Is this the same music from gladiator?
Speaker 1:no, I don't know it wasn't I mean, it sounded exactly like it he used the same production, it's, you know, ridley scott's production helped him with this. So, oh man, when the fucking kicks in and he's locking, loading.
Speaker 2:I'm like I was like I gotta remember to take notes but like the, the parts where the music is like just the, the vocal there's a part that reminded me of his whenever he rubs his hand through the wheat yes, gladiator there's.
Speaker 1:There's a cue where I was like man, I was like where did I hear that from? And now that you mentioned gladiator, it sounds like the same ass song.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but it's, it's so. It's such like a primal energy that that song brings. Yeah, so I mean it. I wasn't mad that it was in here, I just thought it was so similar. It's kind of weird.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I mean they probably. Oh man, I should have looked up the composers. Probably the same composer or something, I'm sure whoever Ridley Scott knows Tony Scott knows because they're brothers. So Denzel Washington was cast because of a trip to a doctor. He ran into director Tony Scott in the waiting room of a medical office and the two started chatting. Scott had not seen Washington in person since they worked together on Crimson Tide. We're going to do that eventually. Yeah, scott happened to see Dakota Fanning in I Am Sam the night before and seeing him made Scott think of using them together.
Speaker 2:They're all saying the same pediatrician.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, there is a in la there, there's an actor doctor, there's like a celebrity doctor. Oh nice, yeah, like I whenever I listen to, uh, the workaholics podcast yeah, that they do. They all have like the same doctor and they're like, oh yeah, we run into all these celebrities all the time just going to the doctor because they're all just waiting in the middle.
Speaker 2:That's great, yeah do you think that Denzel was there to get something removed from his buttocks?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like Tony Scott's. Like I'm going to use it. I have an idea. So Denzel Washington complained of feeling bored with acting and thought about maybe not doing it so much anymore before taking on the role as Creasy. I don't know what made him about this role, like for Denzel, like maybe it was just like a very fun, like oh, I actually get to have raw emotions in a movie and also get to kick ass in a movie, maybe it was like oh, I don't really get to do both of those like that, like being sad and like loving, longing for a daughter or whatever, or maybe he just saw that sweet outfit he was going to get to wear at the rave scene.
Speaker 1:Yeah, dude, like what it's so good. I'm not saying his like giant suit was any better, though I was like dang dude, get this fitted a little bit. But hey, a man on fire has no time, hell. No, so Mexico City, right. Originally this film was supposed to be. They want, the producers wanted this film to take place in Italy, but Italy kind of cleaned up their kidnapping problem and I was thinking about this Do you think Mexico City this was real? Like they actually had a kidnapping problem and they're like no, we have to film in Mexico City had a kidnapping problem and they're like, no, we have to film in mexico city. And of course you know mexico city actually was was grateful that they did, because they wanted more like spotlight shine on the fact that hey, people getting snatched out here, man, oh, so they were happy about it.
Speaker 1:I was thinking that maybe yeah, that's why at the very end it has like thank you to uh like authorities in mexico city. Oh, I didn't see that helping. It's a wonderful city. It is a beautiful city. You haven't shown us anything in this movie that makes me want to visit there, that's for sure.
Speaker 2:My sister when she lived in Mexico with my mom for a short time, the guy she was dating, his dad, got kidnapped. Really yeah, whoa, and he ended up escaping, because it was him and three other dudes in this cabin, out in the middle of nowhere, yeah, and they ended up getting free of their you know, their bindings and they escaped Jesus Christ dude, it's fucking scary.
Speaker 1:So, like Radha Mitchell had three bodyguards protecting her when she was in Mexico for filming. She said that they were hired after her driver was carjacked and then Mexico City Police told Tony Scott that his crew was targeted for kidnapping. Several crew members were robbed at gunpoint. Yeah, and Denzel had Crap. Where is it at? Where is it at? Denzel kept a low profile in Mexico. He was surrounded by bodyguards all times I got robbed in Mexico.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I did In Puerto Vallarta Really. Oh yeah, I remember you telling me about that. Yeah, I bought some drugs, did some drugs, got robbed and gave them the drugs back. Then they offered to call me a cab and I was like you know what guys, I got this one. You know what I want you'all to save y'all's money.
Speaker 1:Maybe don't do this to anybody else. While you're here, I'll take the L. Everybody else gets free, let's see. So we're going to talk about one last, actually two more facts.
Speaker 1:In the original film ending, creasy does not die. In the car on the way to the voices house, the two meet and chat for a while about the price of human life. Creasy continues continually, looks down at his watch. When the timer reaches zero, creasy smiles and the entire house explodes. Yeah, hell, yeah. This implies that creasy used a rectal bomb that he used on uh, fuentes, is that is that how you say? Yeah, yeah, I don't know. Earlier in the film, tony Scott cut the scene because he felt that it did not fit in with the tone of the film, because then you have to think damn. So for a minute. There he had to sit and put a bone, something up his butt, and it's just like that would have been kind of a rat him walking across the bridge like yeah, waddling yeah, but this gives him um the ending we get, gives him like the kind of like the hero ending, yeah, like the wounded warrior.
Speaker 2:I was kind of expecting, even though I've seen it before.
Speaker 1:I was like really hoping that the the car he was in would explode at least killed the brother and everybody yeah that'd been great, but then they probably would have gone after well, no let's be real, the ending we got, whereas cuts to like oh uh, Creasy died, blank, blank, blank, and then it just cuts to a quick shot of Daniel getting shot and it's like what? All right, you know, actually give me five more minutes of this movie so I can see it play out?
Speaker 1:Um, all right. One last thing. In his commentary for the taking of Pelham one, two, three, screenwriter Brian Hague held gland recounted the filming of a mortal wounded creasy floating in the pool. It was shot at the 1968 Olympic pool in Mexico city. The filming day was very long, with direct director Tony Scott filming the scene from different angles and using different filming techniques to get the desired effect. Eventually Denzel expressed how tired he was and Tony asked for one more take. As in Zell was floating underwater, Tony stripped naked and, as he called, cut, dived into the pool next to Denzel as he surfaced, much to Denzel and the cruise amusement.
Speaker 2:I got to say whoever let um a man with a bunch of bullet wounds into the pool should be fired. Yeah, right, because it happened twice.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're like oh, you're back, yeah yeah, I'm just gonna keep swimming in l Lisa's pool. Those shots were great, though, where it's like him contemplating and then it's like, oh, you see him. And then she shows up underwater too and like a dissolve and it's like, oh yeah, it's cool. It's a cool visual way to him thinking like man, this was a great moment. Wish I didn't fuck it up and she's not dead, just thought it was very good. All right, man, let's go baby. So the plot of the film. Here we go. This is the part where we discuss the plot of the film, if you're new here. So there is one kidnapping every 60 minutes in Latin America and 70% of the victims do not survive. Holy shit, that's quite a few. I will never go now. I'm just never going. I'm staying in my house for the rest of my life. Never think about getting kidnapped. Out of all crimes, I never think like I'm going to get kidnapped for ransom. Why would you kidnap me for ransom? We have no money.
Speaker 1:Yeah that's the only.
Speaker 2:Thing you got to have.
Speaker 1:That's why I'm safe. We want his ps5. Oh man, it's rough. We get the wild choppy scene of someone getting kidnapped and the whole process takes, takes place of like him getting kidnapped, ransom, blow, everything. We're about to see what happens here, except they cut his ear off. Yeah, that's rough stuff. It's like hey, take like a toenail or something you know me like pulling it off with pliers.
Speaker 1:Well, I'd rather have my ear, oh, or I don't know. Take like just shave my hair and be like here's his hair, say okay, or just let me talk to him, I don't know. So, former CIA, sad and SOG officer whatever all those is John W Creasy, played by Denzel, comes to mexico to visit his old friend paul rayburn, played by christopher walken, who runs a security firm in mexico. Um, he like he's at like this party right, and I get there's like I don't know. Um, his wife kind of walks. It walks by and christopher walks and is like obey me and I will love you. And and he's like is that how it works? That's how it works here. I was like oh, okay, cool. Creasy asks if God will forgive them for what they have done and it's like what have they done? We'll find out soon yeah.
Speaker 1:Pretty rad stuff on TV, though. We meet Jordan and Samuel. Jordan, samuel's like kidnapping his attorney, and they're talking about his daughter, Lupita Ramos, but they call her Peta, played by Dakota Faming. Jordan is played by Mickey Rourke oh really, apparently Mickey Rourke and Denzel did not get along on set, so says everybody that ever worked with Mickey Rourke. So I think he was in his drug-fueled days at this point, or maybe he just came out of it, I can't remember. He got all that plastic surgery he got a big old face and everything.
Speaker 2:I'd like a face enhancement. Yeah, enlargement.
Speaker 1:I mean, if you look at old pictures of him, it's like what the hell happened here. I guess maybe they shrugged you, so I don't know. But so they're talking about the fact that PETA requires a bodyguard for her kidnapping insurance policy to take effect.
Speaker 2:Damn, that's crazy, that that's such a thing that you have to have Kidnapping insurance.
Speaker 1:If it happens every hour. Yeah, I mean geez Rayburn. Back to Rayburn and Creasy. Rayburn convinces him to take a bodyguard position and he is offered one by Samuel Ramos, mexico City automaker. But at first Creasy is very reluctant about it. He's like. I don't know. I was kind of thinking about coming down here to see you and kill myself, so I don't know if I really need a job at the moment. You're throwing a king into my plans here, it's like well, how about this?
Speaker 1:They'll give you a room and it's very, it's very dope room that looks out on the city. It'd be a great place to shoot yourself. Yeah, you can kill yourself in there, the street somewhere. And then we meet Lisa. Ramos is PETA's mother. Apparently, she has rejected five bodyguard candidates already. Samuel doesn't want to overspend on a bodyguard and wants Creasy hired as he comes relatively cheap due to his drinking problem. Finally, alcoholism helps somebody. Yeah, just give him a gun. Yeah. And then Creasy meets Lisa and PETA. Just give him a gun, yeah. And then creasy meets lisa and pita, um, and essentially lisa's like uh, yeah, he's american, I love the guy, you're hired I'm racist, he's american I mean, I guess at that point it's like well, if I, if I get like a mexican bodyguard, what if he's actually working for somebody?
Speaker 1:and then like it's gonna end up kidding kidnapped.
Speaker 2:I guess there's just a little bit of information missing from this, yeah, but it's still fine. I feel like they probably knew everything about him already.
Speaker 1:We had that like 10 page profile on yeah, but then Peter like shows him a room, like the room he's going to stay in. It's the second Mickey Rourke movie that I know that a bird, a bird, is named Bird and it takes place in a movie with Mickey Rourke. That's probably his idea, because Iron man 2 is, I want my Boyd one of my favorite lines in all of Marvel Cinematic Universe where's my Boyd?
Speaker 1:so yeah, lisa selects Creasy. Peeta can. Says to Lisa it's like I can sense sadness in Creasy. He's a big sad bear. Samuel tells Lisa PETA would love anybody she picked. I'm like, oh yeah, because she's the nicest girl ever.
Speaker 2:She's really sweet.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then we see Creasy planning a route for PETA to go to school and he lets the bird fly free. It's a metaphor or whatever. Yeah, because he's caged by his alcoholism. Oh, and then he lets it free. And then because little, we're gonna see later that they talk, uh, that they kind of share a moment looking across from each other in the big house and the birds chirping, and then she comes and looks out and it's like, um, she's like he's like you let the bird go. He's like, yeah, I felt like he should have been free, annoyed the shit out of me. It's like, yeah, that's like you let the bird go.
Speaker 2:He's like yeah, I felt like he should have been free.
Speaker 1:He annoyed the shit out of me. He's like, yeah, that's probably better for him. And it's like, oh, Denzel, let the bird free. Pete is letting him free.
Speaker 2:Emotionally From his sadness and alcoholism.
Speaker 1:Yeah, metaphor, baby, his so so Creasy's aloof and keeps Peeta at a distance, even though she tries to talk to him. She tells him there is four kidnappings a day and I'm like, well, there's one every 60 minutes actually, so there's actually 24 a day she has been out of school for a while.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he drops her off at school where he has to sign her in. There are cops all through the school. He talks to a nun teacher. They kind of talk about the Bible a little bit, and then he essentially says I'm a sheep that got lost. Madre, it's a metaphor. I thought he said the Bible's not for me or something, yeah but then he just kind of tells her that he's a sheep that got lost.
Speaker 1:But Peter will help him get found. Metaphors baby, this whole hour is a metaphor, first hour. So creasy picks up her. Creasy picks her up from school. Creasy man, what is the name? Right? I mean, yeah, I just keep wanting to say greasy or crazy, and sometimes he's saying it I'm like I have to relook up to make sure it's not greasy. But he picks her up from school. She keeps trying to talk to him and learn about him. He tells her he is being paid to be her bodyguard, not a friend. She gets mad and moves to the backseat.
Speaker 2:I thought she was going to take off running.
Speaker 1:He's like dude, you're like getting kidnapped today.
Speaker 2:And, like all, the stress from driving in Mexico is real as hell. Yeah, the place is insane to drive in.
Speaker 1:So that is real, it's just crazy traffic it's just wild.
Speaker 2:Like stop signs are just like a suggestion, suggestion.
Speaker 1:What's like? Any time you know in like other countries, usually in like kind of the Middle East, you know you'll watch a movie through it and like the traffic is so insane, it's like what are you talking about? How does anybody know what to do? Everybody's just honking their horns while driving.
Speaker 2:Still, and I'm just there's you know, and whenever you stop at a red light, people just run up to your car and they like try to sell you stuff or like try to wash your windows.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And it's just like, like hey, that will stress me out. It's very stressful, but then they've been. When the light turns green, they get the hell out of the way and you move, going along on your business, right yeah, I mean, I guess that's not too bad I mean, it's not.
Speaker 1:That's not too bad, it's just scary but just like I think because I'm because I'm a virgo, I need everything to just be calm and normal, because I need to know that I'm to make it to one place to another place without being bothered. So Lisa talks to Creasy about his confrontation with PETA. Lisa is going to shadow him the next day, essentially because now PETA is uncomfortable and Lisa is getting uncomfortable. So Creasy starts drinking. Got a wild ass editing. I mean it's all over the place. No idea what's going on most of the time.
Speaker 1:You just see a gun gun and a bullet, a lot drinking, a bunch. Um. So he decides to try to unalive himself, and when he tries to do this, the bullet in his gun misfires, giving him a new lease on life. He calls ray, who tells him that the bullet always tells the truth. Creasy keeps his bullet.
Speaker 2:That's interesting. Yeah, the bullet can do that. Yeah, hey, tells the truth, baby.
Speaker 1:Says it is not your time to go. He's just really happy he didn't die. I love that in action movies, Something so macho about it. The bullet tells the truth. But it's just being told from Christopher Walken. He's just kind of like hey, I'm having a good life here, man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, his life seems kind of nice, but he's like really sweet. He's like, oh, now is this up watching TV, you're not bothering me, and stuff like that and it's like, ah, I don't know. This movie, the beginning part of this movie, just has so many great little subtleties to like the characters and you know, it's like you kind of like them all and it's like great, even like the father who soon may not be liked. It's like you see him and he's like kind of sympathetic. You can tell there's a lot on his mind. You'll learn what it is later but you're like man, his like auto deal stuff must be like kind of stressful.
Speaker 1:It's like I don't know, I just like everybody so far. I'm like, oh, I hope ever happens. I really like the people who work at the. Uh, yeah, like the maids and stuff. Yeah, they seem really nice, yeah, they're so great. So while driving pita and lisa notices a um. While driving pita and creasy notices a car following him, he writes down the license plate number and so does pita. He like has to ask for a pencil it's like pencil and grabs it um, and then she picks up on it so fast.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean it's great she's, she's really involved in her own protection.
Speaker 1:Yeah, smart to know.
Speaker 2:Smart kid.
Speaker 1:She's like. Well, I feel like that's a Dakota fanning thing in all our movies. It's like she has to always play a kid that notices everything. And then Creasy, who has decided to focus more on his job and bonding with PETA, um, starts noticing PETA. Uh, notices PETA is a swimmer and notices that she becomes startled by the starter gun at her swim meets. He begins to coach her. She learns to react to the starter gun diving into the water without flinching. The gunshot holds no fear.
Speaker 2:Such a fun scene. The sound sets you free, yeah.
Speaker 1:That was great. I just put in my notes FUN All caps Exclamation marks.
Speaker 2:Guns are fun kid yeah.
Speaker 1:And then Krisa and Peeta bond over homework and even smiles. It's very sweet. They're talking about concubines, which apparently was all ad-libbed by both of the actors.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's cool, I'm like that was such a random thing to ad-lib. Can you imagine having a thousand versions of them all?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, that was pretty cool. She's like holy shit, you smiled. Yeah, denzel's the best, though there's something about like, if you just start I said it in Unstoppable when he starts smiling and laughing, there's so much joy in my heart from it. Yes, it's like hell, yeah, um, they continue training now with like the maids and like the handyman and stuff watching. And she's ready, baby, she's ready to swim. It's like I hate that.
Speaker 1:Like you know, I'm kind of going over all that so fast, but like, literally, this is the part of the movie that really, I don't know, makes you feel what you feel later you're gonna feel like want the need for revenge and you're just gonna like feel the the fire in your in your veins whenever he's gotta start killing people and it's like yes it's so perfectly done at the beginning. Um so cut to the swim meet and pita's teacher comes up to him and yells, tells him today he is her father and he's like me oh, the nuns are the swim coaches I don't know, dude I am assuming. I'm assuming it's part of a school event or something.
Speaker 1:Catholic school that they do all the positions it might just yeah, maybe it's the same known as the other one. I'm just assuming that it's probably like a school function. Yeah, so they're probably all there, I don't know. So the swing meet starts and she wins. Creasy is so happy and Peeta gives him a big hug.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she just jumps in his arms. Yeah, it's like oh, they're best friends, They've known each other for a week. Now she's going to get good now, yeah so they go out.
Speaker 1:Well, I'm assuming it's actually probably been like a month or something, just kind of fast forwarded, because her parents are out of town, yeah, twice, and he's just like her guardian yeah, it's like they've already like gone out of town a couple times. So they go out to eat with rayburn and his wife, um pita, gives him a necklace of saint jude, patron saint of lost causes. Everybody's happy and nothing bad will ever happen.
Speaker 2:Nope, I wonder what else she was the saint of, because they have a lot of different things yeah, no, we were.
Speaker 1:We both listened to the saints podcast on last podcast on the left and it's like holy shit. I kind of want to learn about all of them probably like also the saint of like hair yeah hair and uh queefing hey, you're probably not wrong.
Speaker 2:I don't know, man.
Speaker 1:I'm the patron, sweet. So now that everything is perfect, everything is happy and there's nothing bad going to happen. Later, creasy is alone in his room. He decides not to drink and instead reads the Bible. And how does?
Speaker 1:God show him gratitude for reading the Bible. We'll find out later. Nothing's free Greasy. God wants him to make a sacrifice and he's going to have to. We get a quick scene where Peta asks her father to let her swim more and not do piano lessons, but he's adamant on her playing the piano.
Speaker 1:Here's what I love about everything, to this point. Right, the father as soon as you meet him, he's always kind of like weird, kind of jittery type guy. There's obviously some sort of financial issue. And then he goes to Detroit the first time. Whenever him and his wife leave, he turns around and gives like a look at her. It's like huh, it's like I wonder what that means.
Speaker 1:Obviously it's a kidnapping movie. He's probably, I think, at that point kind of thinking wow, if this, if like I don't find out how to make money, I'm going to have to get this girl kidnapped. And they go on their second trip and it's like they come back. And then now all of a sudden he's like no, you have to take piano assuming the two, because he had already set up everything. Well, the two meetings I'm assuming did not go well of getting like forward to come to Mexico City to help him out with his automotive factory or whatever. So now it's like, all right, well, my two options were gone, so now this is my backup plan and it's like, well he's, she's gonna get kidnapped at the piano lesson. I don't know this, it's just fun to kind of like point out like hey, this is how the movie subtly was showing you, showed you everything you need to know in a very subtle way, and information was there.
Speaker 1:You just had to try to find it. Yeah, that's really interesting. It really helps when you have to write everything down in your notes. It's kind of my favorite part of doing this podcast. I'm like, oh, I feel like I'm smarter at movies. Now Our audience may think otherwise, I don't know. So Creasy takes her to her lesson, tells her to burp every few minutes, so the teacher won't take her on. I love it. It's like we see her burp. She had to have someone burp for her.
Speaker 1:Oh, really, because she was incapable of burping, apparently as a little kid, the burp sounded very guttural it was like way too deep for a little Dakota fanning, and then she gives him a just a kiss of death right there, good job, and he puts it in his shirt. So, while waiting, for and it stops the bullet. Yeah, I thought whenever he got shot in the chest towards the end I was like that diary is going to be there and it's going to stop the bullet.
Speaker 2:And it was not the case and he just decided he didn't need a bulletproof vest.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and he decided that bullets don't hurt him until the very end of the movie. So while waiting for pita outside of her piano lesson, he plays with the dog sam and just lets it run around and starts attacking another dog and this is why you need to keep your dogs on leashes, people. It is unsafe, no matter what dog you think you got, dogs are not normal humans. They have their own brains and they're cuckoo crazy because they're not super smart dogs. So please keep them on a leash.
Speaker 1:Just saying that because, dude, it's because you know, I'd like to. You know, we've taken walks with snake on around our area here, like every time we try to do it, there's like a dog that's ready to run up to us and he, like I'm like that dog looks scary. We're going back. It's like back, I don't know. It's annoying, it's not safe, but anyways. Greasy notices a car with two men circling the area and two federal police officers block the street. I'm sure this is just like a parade about to come by or something. As PETA emerges, he yells for her, at her to run, but she freezes. The car pulls up and the men attempt to grab pita, but he fires the gun in the air, causing her to run away.
Speaker 1:She's ready to go.
Speaker 2:She did flinch, though she might have gotten away until she, until he shot the gun, and she's like, yeah, sound set you free.
Speaker 1:So chrissy attempts to fend a crazy oh god, such an annoying name to say a lot. He attempts to fend off the attackers, killing three and wounding a fourth, but is critically wounded himself. He takes multiple bullets to his front. Yeah, he gets shot twice in the chest. It doesn't hurt him that much, don't worry.
Speaker 2:He gets it a lot in this movie Kind of just starts the timer, yeah, and he's kind of in and out of the. I was wondering about that, but we'll get to it in a second.
Speaker 1:So Peter runs back to him but is then abducted by remaining kidnappers because he's like run, she's like I can't the police arrest Creasy for killing police officers on duty and also for being involved in the kidnapping of Lupita. At the press conference, mariana, a reporter, presses the chief of police on why the two dead officers were actually off duty. Yeah, boom, boom, boom. And then, uh, what's his name? Miguel, miguel, um, miguel, mon monazoo or something like that. Monzo, sure, whatever, um is like, um, it's like we all know that he's actually they're. We also know that they're also corrupt police officers. Yes, everybody kind of laughs this is funny to us and like it's not dude, those silly cops, somebody was kidnapped, um, then we get shots at samuel and lisa's house of them all worried, and police are there. Jordan tries to sell samuel everything tries to tell samuel everything will be all right. Head of kidnapping says they will help, but jordan says they won't be needed. But they have high authority telling them that they have to be involved. Samuel, and Samuel seems very off at this moment.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he doesn't seem that worried.
Speaker 1:And it's great there's so much in this one scene, because it's Lieutenant Lieutenant, what's his name? Funtess. It's Lieutenant Funtess who is later somebody that Denzil has to deal with. Yeah, but so you have like two people that are involved with the kidnapping on different spectrums, because the lieutenant is a part of it officially, because you know he's corrupt and he's a part of the kidnapping plot and stuff. And then you got the other guys who are also a part of the kidnapping plot. Oh God, samuel gets a call from the kidnappers about a ransom drop.
Speaker 2:It's very convoluted A lot to say, yeah, peta's ransom dropped, arranged by the and why is the dad shirtless when he takes the money?
Speaker 1:Oh, because they don't want him to wear a shirt. So there's no wires or guns or anything, because it showed it earlier. At the very beginning there's a guy who's just like waving a shirt out of his car and stuff like that. But at PETA's ransom drop arranged by the federal police Bales, when the kidnappers are ambushed by rival kidnappers, the kidnapper's leader the Voice played by Robert Sosa is enraged at his nephew's death during the botched drop. Holding the family responsible, he informs PETA's mother, lisa, that PETA will be lost to her and Samuel forever as retribution. Oh God, that sucks. Didn't say they were going to kill him. So, while recovering from his injuries, afi agent Miguel Manzano has Creasy relocated to a veterinarian clinic to protect him from the corrupt police. When he regains consciousness, consciousness Rayburn tells Creasy that PETA was murdered. Damn, bum, bum bum.
Speaker 1:He is questioned by Manzano but refuses to divulge any information. But you can see it in his eyes as he's showing pictures of some of the people, like he sees the driver and he's like he's just building his list this guy's gonna die does rayburn get him out of the hospital for his safety or is like why didn't they help his bullet wounds? Um no, I think he's like it's time to get out.
Speaker 2:It's like probably I think it's been like a week or so he's like I'm ready to kill everyone now. Yeah, I can go. Yeah, it's like it's time to go.
Speaker 1:Well, I think rayburn's like all, I'm ready to kill everyone now. Yeah, I can go. Yeah, it's like it's time to go. Well, I think Rayburn's like all right time for you to get out of here, right? He's like no, rayburn takes him out of the hospital and they go to the crime scene. He then meets reporter Mariana Garcia Guerrero.
Speaker 2:I thought she was with the FBI or something, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Is she? I don't know is she not.
Speaker 2:No, she's a reporter.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she's definitely a reporter, okay yeah played by Rachel Tick, tickleton, tickleton, I don't know, she's the girl in Total Recall. Yeah, yeah, hell yeah. Also awesome movie we will do this year, because I don't know we need to do, I just want to do it. I've been thinking about it a lot and you get to see the three boob chick yeah, three boob chick. Dude Yay and Marina, who offers to help him investigate the kidnapping and expose the criminal and police. Nexus Creasy uses this to wage war on the kidnapping ring and police corruption responsible for PETA's apparent death. You could say he's a man on fire.
Speaker 1:He's a man on fire. So he goes back to Samuel and Lisa's house. Him and Lisa have an heartfelt moment. They look like they're going to have sex potentially. No, wait, not yet. That was before. Then Creasy says he's going to kill them. Lisa says kill them all, kill them all. Music kicks in. It's like this kind of like new metal sounding like music. It's like Hell. Yeah, it's really effective and it's like let's fucking go. Creasy locks and fucking loads baby, because he's a man on fire. He tracks down, interrogates. So he tracks down the first guy, the getaway driver. He interrogates him by cutting his fingers off If he doesn't answer. It's great. Cuts like three of them off and, like the guys, like they constantly. He constantly said I'm just a professional, I'm just a professional, pretends he doesn't know anything, but then slowly gives off a little more information.
Speaker 2:It was funny, though, like because before he starts cutting off his fingers, he, like crazy, crazy, is outside and then it shows the guy, the driver, sitting at the wheel and he's naked, yeah, and he's just been beat to hell, yeah.
Speaker 1:And you see a bunch of like stray dogs right there's. There's like four or five dogs like these dogs, and we eat this.
Speaker 2:Well, I think they're just like a dump or something, but like yeah, yeah, they didn't show us the part where he beat the shit out of this guy yeah, it's like a part of me and he's bleeding a lot from.
Speaker 1:Somewhere yeah, um, and essentially what he learns is that he learns that the driver was ordered by the voice to do the pickup or, you know, to kidnap, and that that he got a lot of information from the guardians which we'll see in the next scene. And then he just essentially oh, also I love when he cuts his finger off he like puts the lighter, the cigarette lighter on his fingers and then eventually the bleeding with this, yeah. Then he eventually cuts his ear off.
Speaker 2:And when he cuts the first finger off, you see like a squirt of blood on the windshield.
Speaker 1:So good, that's great and then I love like, after that he starts like covering my hand with a towel after he does it, um, and then, yeah, he cuts the ear off. Is there anything else that he does in that one?
Speaker 2:that's pretty cool I don't know, but I'm loving every second of it while it's happening.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know, and know, like at first I was like, oh, I kind of feel bad and I was like fuck he's got to get PETA.
Speaker 2:What am I talking about?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so it's like fucking dog food. Yeah, and then we cut to the car, falling into the middle of a baseball game and exploding because he killed him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I thought he was gonna. I thought that's the way he was gonna kill him. Yeah, but he shoots him after giving him a cigarette. Because he's not that bad of a guy, he let him have a puff of cigarette.
Speaker 1:Well, even the guy, I think the guy knew he was gonna die. Yeah, he's any, he um. So he also learns that the next person he's going after who's the middleman called Jersey Boy, is a proprietor of a or whatever, which he then goes and finds the middleman.
Speaker 2:I really like the sniveling piece of shit. He plays this character really well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I love when he starts talking English and it's like, oh, I'm from Jersey too, but yeah, so he goes to find the middleman or Jersey Boy. Proprietor of the rave in Neza, who was known to the getaway driver as the guardian. Proprietor of the Raven Nezza, who was known to the getaway driver as the Guardian Greasy, gets an ATM card from the Jersey boy which is given to him by the voice and is used to withdraw $200 per week for expenses. He also reveals that a crooked cop, funtess, stole the money at the drop. But yeah, I love this whole scene with it, because you got the one guy that lets him in and he's all dressed ridiculously.
Speaker 1:He's hiding a giant, sawed off, shotgun in his pants, essentially, and he kills the one guy and he's like talking Spanish to Jersey boy and Jersey, hey, I actually speak English, I'm from Jersey. Hey, you're from Jersey. Gym 10 laundry, am I right? Dtf. And then there's like this other third guardian because they're all called guardian and the and the credits it's, yeah, jersey boy. The guy he kills immediately is guardian two and guardian three is the girl.
Speaker 2:Okay, I love how he just he asked my question, he doesn't know the answer, and then he blows his fucking foot off. Yeah, I was like is he shooting his foot or the floor? I can't tell.
Speaker 1:I just assumed it was his foot, and he eventually gets him to spill all the information on his set and then he kills Jersey Boy. He talks to the woman who also worked with him. She gives him false hope when she says the girl is still there. He sees that it's a different kidnapped girl, though. He then takes the girl and the adult girl and gets them out of there after essentially catching the whole place on fire, and then goes out and starts shooting his gun at this rave and everybody's like yeah, oh, so you want us out, but we ain't done partying.
Speaker 1:We're going to dance our way out of here and then they go out of the rave and they're all still kind of dancing on the street and it explodes and everybody's like yeah, this is awesome. It's freaking lawless out here in Mexico City it's a great party, but now you don't have anywhere to rave. Yeah, it's like these people. They'll just take XZ out on the street and start dancing.
Speaker 2:Just wait till the fire goes down and we'll go back in.
Speaker 1:So he calls Marina to give her the kidnapped child. Then he gives her the ATM card he got. Manzano talks to Rayburn. Rayburn tells him PETA showed Casey he was able to live again. It makes it so sad. But then we get the great quote Creasy's art is death. He's about to paint his masterpiece, Christopher Walken. I'm not going to lie. That line gave me chills.
Speaker 2:A lot of people are about toen. I'm not going to lie, that line gave me chills. Yeah, watching it, a lot of people were about to die. I was just like holy shit, what a good good, good, good line Fucking Denzel covered in blood. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, creasy decides to go. He's going after Lieutenant Victor Fuentes, a lieutenant in the anti-kidnapping division of the Federal Judicial Police and the head of the criminal. La Hermanda. Yeah, la Hermanda, yeah La Hermanda.
Speaker 2:Yeah, La.
Speaker 1:Hermanda, I don't know, dude, I can't fucking talk today.
Speaker 1:Jeez, and he's also the one that coordinated the drop from earlier in the movie. With Samuel and Lisa he goes to an old couple's house so that he can fire an RPG at Fuentes' bodyguards. He successfully takes care of all of them, leaving only Fuentes who drives off who he drives off with. That was fucking sick. Yeah, yeah, because he shoots him and he doesn't kill all of them, it just comes out in his little suit and starts shooting everybody and like why he's in just. This movie becomes a western at this point. Great, it reminds me of something from the man with no name trilogy. Um, the clint eastwood movies. Yeah, I don't know if I've seen those. You haven't seen any of them, I don't know. Holy crap, let's start doing the trilogy oh yeah, we should okay that starts this year.
Speaker 1:I'm so excited. Um uh. Then we cut to him. He has. He has funtas tied to a car bent over the trunk and it's like what the hell are we about to watch? Here, like broad daylight. There's helicopters over them yeah but, and it's like the same place that the drop happened earlier in the film.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, um and and it shows like the bags were full of just paper magazines.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So he tells him he has C4 shoved up his butt and has five minutes to tell him all the information, and you get the clock on the screen. The guy's not wanting to answer and Denzel's just like four minutes 50 seconds. I wish you had more time oh yes, love it.
Speaker 1:So the guy's like hey, come on, man, let's chill out so from fountas creasy learns most of the ransom money had been stolen before the ambush at the drop. That and that. Jordan samuel's, who suggested kidnapping insurance, loaded the money into Samuel's drop because Funtas only got like two point five million out of the possible 10. And he was supposed to get half. Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Everybody's just getting screwed over all the way down the chain.
Speaker 1:Just pretty much everybody is trying to screw each other over this money and it's maybe pretty funny. So after he gets his information.
Speaker 2:I can't imagine that the dad ever thought that this would work out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it goes smoothly. It's like dude, there's too many corrupt people in this little city here, you live here.
Speaker 2:You should know this, can't?
Speaker 1:walk outside without having a bodyguard at this point. So after he gets his information, he walks away with this explosion behind him and it's rad and, like right before before, like you said earlier, the guy's like I wish Denzel, I wish you had more time and just walks away with an explosion, and I love it, because whenever we do our movie next week, I'm going to be able to come back to this little part here and you'll, you'll, there is potentially butt stuff.
Speaker 1:You'll, there is potentially butt stuff. Stay tuned to the end of the podcast to see what movie we're talking about.
Speaker 2:So Jordan, this has been butt stuff with Jesse and Jason.
Speaker 1:Oh, that'd be a great like if we were both gay. That'd be a great, that'd be a great podcast. So at Jordan's home, creasy discovers that he is already dead, his head's cut off and his body's in a pool, and finds a fax with bank account information leading to Samuel. Samuel, you, son of a bitch. Creasy gives the bank account information to Marina, creasy decides to confront Samuel and Lisa. Samuel explains that Jordan recommended arranging a kidnapping so he could claim the insurance payout and pay the debts his father had him had left him alongside a ruined auto empire. So out of seven point five million stolen, jordan kept two point five and gave five point five to Samuel.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I feel like there's you know you could just being poor is not that bad. I mean, here's what I say I have an idea.
Speaker 1:How about you hire some other person that isn't involved with all these like corrupt people to pretend to kidnap your daughter and then just be cool about it? Be cool about it, right, instead of going to like gangs and stuff to do it? The professionals, yeah, sheesh. Um, they were promised pita would be unharmed. She's just gonna be watching cartoons for two days. When the drop went bad, samuel blamed jordan for pita's death, killing him in a rage, so Samuel's the one that killed.
Speaker 2:Jordan, do you see the part where they show Peeta locked in a cell and she's got the headphones on and they're just blasting hard rock or metal or something?
Speaker 1:in her headphones.
Speaker 2:Oh really I missed that it might have been an extended version. I saw a long time ago.
Speaker 1:Oh, really it might have been, or it could have cut to it, for one second, and it's like that happens a lot.
Speaker 1:What did I say Because there's a lot of PETA in this movie for there to be almost no PETA until the end of the movie. Man, I could go for a PETA right now. I know I'm so hungry, god, my stomach's growling. So Lisa, unaware of Samuel's involvement, angrily tells Creasy to kill him or she will Hell yeah, Lisa. Let's go. He leaves Samuel a gun and the bullet he previously intended to commit suicide with. That he pulls out of Peeta's diary Remorseful Samuel, loads the gun and shoots himself in the head.
Speaker 2:I feel like, just to be safe, he could have put like another bullet that works in there, just in case.
Speaker 1:It's like oh, by the way, here's a spare bullet.
Speaker 2:If this one doesn't work. Okay, it didn't work for me.
Speaker 1:I got them mixed up. I put them both in Peeta's diary. Just got bullets everywhere like in his pockets and shit At the end of the movie hands Peeta her diary back, she opens it up. Bullets are just flying out of it. It's like okay, crazy. I don't I completely missed what happened while I was kidnapped, but something great bodyguard.
Speaker 2:Yeah, horrible, horrible Bullets.
Speaker 1:So crazy learns from Marina. The ATM card he recovered earlier is linked to a man living on the edge of city Men's. He knows people acting on Marina's information infiltrate his home, finding a photo of the voice, and the way they did this was they were given what? Cholera? Cholera vaccinations, okay, or something like that, and they're able to set up a a bunch of cameras cameras in there, it's like why didn't you do that in the first place?
Speaker 1:so she runs a story in the newspaper revealing the ringleader is Daniel Sanchez. She tells Creasy the ATM card belongs to Daniel's wife, maria Rosa Sanchez, at the address of Daniel's brother, aurelio. Yeah, so we got all the information. It's time for the ending. So Creasy breaks into Aurelio's, taking him prisoner, despite being shot in the chest in the process. He, creasy breaks into Aurelio's, taking him prisoner, despite being shot in the chest in the process. He learns that the voice is named Daniel, damn um. He then uh, calls daniel. He essentially. So. When they get there, he like has this kid lead him up to the top? Whenever he breaks in um, because he followed aurelio from the street, yeah, and like there's a bunch of kids in there and apparently daniel's wife or ex-wife we'll soon learn he's pregnant, is pregnant, and essentially she's like get out and like the only way that they can contact daniel is by using a beeper.
Speaker 1:She's like get out and like. The only way that they can contact Daniel is by using a beeper.
Speaker 2:She's like oh, I didn't still got him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they still got him back then and they have to go upstairs to get signal and stuff. So he then calls Daniel, threatening to kill his family unless he turns himself in going as far as shooting Aurelio's fingers and then like after he does that, the wife of Daniel goes and like in this barrel, just pulls out like a huge plastic bag of money and just throws it down.
Speaker 2:I'm like damn dude it was so great, so your brother wants to talk to you.
Speaker 1:Kaboom, yeah you hear about that and of course they keep. They keep both of them keep ending the phone call so that they can't track where the phone's coming okay that makes sense. Creasy wants to take care of this himself. Then, however, daniel reveals that Peeta is still alive, didn't?
Speaker 1:see that twist happening and offers to trade her for his brother and Creasy's life Life for a life. Creasy agrees. So Creasy tells Lisa that Peeta's alive and he tells her where the meeting is. So arriving at the overpass meeting place and seeing he meets Lisa there, he's like alright, here's what's gonna happen. I gotta go over there and I gotta walk to him. Peeta's gonna be let out and if this motherfucker moves, blow his head off talking about aurelio in the car.
Speaker 1:Um so he goes, he crosses it on foot and he's got shot in the chest earlier and bleeding out?
Speaker 2:yeah, and he's bleeding out he's been just like.
Speaker 1:It's been like five hours. He's got a hole in his chest and he's still doing fine, very little blood. That we see, which is wild. Um, he meets her in the middle of this overpass and they give hug, they say goodbye and she says she loves him and he says he loves her back. I know, and I'm just crying I was blown away by the fact that I was like shit, dude, I'm so invested in this and I'm getting sad because it's yay, they're together. Getting sad that Pete is going to take this hard Because it's like, oh, together. Getting sad that you know like pete is gonna take this hard because it's like, oh, I don't get to hang out with him and eventually she's gonna figure out he's actors, he sacrifices himself for her. And then getting sad that man creasy ain't gonna get see her again, not to be a bodyguard.
Speaker 1:And then I'm like dang, they actually probably could have just been a family themselves, because he was probably gonna marry lisa she's like Dang.
Speaker 2:They actually probably could have just been a family themselves, because he was probably going to marry Lisa.
Speaker 1:She's like where are you going to do?
Speaker 2:He's like I'm going home too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh, so good. And then just seeing like Denzel cry makes me want to cry. It's like seeing your dad cry. It's like yeah, he is our dad. It's our movie dad. Denzel's my daddy. But Peter runs toisa and they all hug and it's happy.
Speaker 1:Aurelio gets to go, creasy and aurelio get into daniel's car, but creasy succumbs to his wounds in transit, dying like a hero yeah, he's playing the gladiator music, yeah, and then all of a sudden it cuts to like, it gives like his like headstone, essentially like, uh, his date of birth and date of death. Yeah, just randomly.
Speaker 1:And then you're like, oh, there's probably going to be a little bit more after this. Then it cuts to Manzano, tracks Daniel down and kills him in just like a five second scene here, and says that they can claim that Daniel died during the arrest. But you know, he just went there to kill him. Nothing else. Weird way to end the movie. Yeah, I felt like it took all the steam out of the engine.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if he would have just stopped with him dying, didn't need it.
Speaker 1:I mean, or just like cut to the scene, or they didn't do it as much as in like just a mid credits role, right like after you get like the main characters in like cut to it, this guy just coming in and like confronting him and killing him, yeah, and then it'd be like one who raw, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, cause it doesn't really hit the same as like something like the at the end of the departed morning he comes in and at the very end and kills him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh shit, fucking good and it's like hell. Yeah, it's angry ass. Mark Wahlberg, who's just been yelling at Matt Damon and Leonardo DiCaprio the whole time. Oh, we should do the Departed this year too, it's another long movie. But yeah, that's man on Fire man. I love this movie and I'm on fire. I'm on fire Tony Scott movie. I just need to own them. I actually bought this on Amazon Prime because it was $3.99 to rent $4.99 to buy.
Speaker 2:Did you buy it or did you just rent it? I watched it on Tubi.
Speaker 1:It was free With ads. I did not know. Well, I'm glad I did not want to sit through, make this movie five hours long.
Speaker 2:It was fine for me because I was like cleaning the kitchen and watching it while I was cleaning. So every time the commercials would come on, I'd be able to, like, do some other stuff, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:It worked out. But we're going to go to our categories. The first category is the good, the bad, the ugly, the fine. It's where we discuss the good of the movie, something we like. The bad, something we didn't like. The ugly something didn't age well. The fine something that did age well. All right, what's your good?
Speaker 2:My good is all the, it's all the the, the emotion, the emotional shit from.
Speaker 1:Denzel, it really resonates, it really does resonate? It's like you're immediately like ah, I love these people. I love these people, I love these characters. I did not expect going into this to like anybody other than Denzel, and maybe if it has a cool villain, yeah.
Speaker 2:I didn't really care for the mom that much, but like it really matters. She was in the movie very much.
Speaker 1:It was just mainly for hers. I'll get to it, but it's just classic. Oh, we have to have the mom in the movie. We're not going to give her anything to do, but I do love her like outbursts, like whenever they find out Pete is dead, she's like everybody get the fuck.
Speaker 2:She's like slapping everybody.
Speaker 1:Like the amount of times she slapped people in this movie.
Speaker 2:I was like yeah, lisa, because that's how you're supposed to react when your daughter gets kidnapped. Yeah, like that daughter gets kidnapped. Yeah, like that, and like even when you, when he's getting revenge, god, just it feels so good and when the best denzel and dakota fanning are doing their stuff. You're like man, this feels great.
Speaker 1:I don't know yeah, no, you're right, that's. It's perfect. That's essentially I had. I had, well obviously, denzel, dakota fanning, tony scott it's great. I didn't expect those three to be make a movie together and it'd be this fucking rad, right, I mean I should. Tony Scott's great, denzel's great, dakota Finn's been great and everything I don't know. I just it's not like a movie. I hear people talk about a lot. I've heard people bring it up being like a fun, cool movie.
Speaker 1:But I didn't realize that I was going to love the movie. You know, I assume that you recommended it. I was like, oh, if he's recommending the movie, it's got to be pretty good. Oh, thanks. Well, it was something that you were like we should do man on Fire and I was like, holy shit, okay, he's like really wants to do it, it's got to be pretty good.
Speaker 1:And then also the buildup and release like you were talking about build up so much, it's so happy and the release is so God dang necessary. So I'll do my bad. Since we kind of talked about it a little bit, I put Lisa what is her accent? Where is she from? What is this? And it's not the actress's fault, all right, I mean, maybe the accent is, but you know it's just.
Speaker 2:Somebody should have been keeping tabs on this accent it's just, it's just typical, like you know.
Speaker 1:Uh, man has to go do something, woman just has to come in and cry a lot.
Speaker 2:Maybe there's like a big break between scenes that she was in and she's like oh shit, what accent did I use?
Speaker 1:well, apparently her other scenes were getting uh railed by the two men in the movie, so not together.
Speaker 2:But separately.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm glad they took that out.
Speaker 1:But yeah, like, yeah, I mean I liked her character when she was like smacking the shit out of people. I was like, hell, yeah, we need to show moms who are upset in movies doing that more. Hell, yeah, mad mamas, yeah, um, so, like, I liked some of the stuff her character did is just like I did not understand the accent. It was tripping me out because sometimes it just sounded a little British. She didn't need to have one, yeah, she just talked normal Whatever, whatever accent she wanted. I guess ever how she talked. Dakota Fanning was going to have to talk, okay.
Speaker 2:So it's like you inherit your accent from your parents.
Speaker 1:Well, like hearing your mom talk a lot, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2:My bad was like the kidnapping stuff sucks ass. That that's a thing. But like my mom who lives in Mexico, if we ever bring up the fact that we're scared to take our kids there because of all the kidnapping, she gets real upset about it and defends Mexico real hard. Yeah, just like still got to be worried about. I've seen the movie. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Just come here, mom, we'll pay for you to fly up here. Yeah yeah, that is bad Kidnapping bad yeah, man.
Speaker 1:So for the ugly, mine is pretty much already kind of talked about in the movie the editing, editing the style, and it's a Tony Scott thing. It's a bit nauseating at some points. I just feel like his 2000 movies are so obnoxious with it. It's like when I think about his other movies I'm like they were kind of wildly edited. Yeah, but like the shakiness, like the ramping up speed, slowing down the speed, and I'm just, am I on?
Speaker 2:a boat.
Speaker 1:Jeez, louise, I'm on a boat, but this was something that was happening in like 2000s movies, Like I said, during Unstoppable. It happened during Saw Traffic.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it happened a lot in that one. Is that another Tony Scott movie? I don't know.
Speaker 1:I don't think so. It's quite a bit Was think so it's quite a bit.
Speaker 2:Was that Soderbergh? Uh, tell me you're ugly. When I look that up my ugly it's not really a whole lot like I feel like that did pretty good. I don't know my ugly I think would be that it's is. If Dakota Fanning's dad is supposed to be her dad, like her real father is a very white little girl.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're pretty white With a mixed family.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I don't know, it's not really an ugly thing, it's just kind of a weird thing that bothered me a little bit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was just like how does this kid fit into this? It takes you out of the movie for a moment to be like so was this Lisa's daughter before Samuel? That's what it kind of seems like. Was this Lisa's daughter before Samuel? Or that's what it kind of seems like. Yeah, and not explaining it kind of makes it where it's like, oh, it took you out of the movie for just like a second. Sure, yeah.
Speaker 2:I see how that yeah so the fine.
Speaker 1:I put Tony Scott, one of the best action directors that we did not appreciate enough while he was still here same thing from unstoppable, that I said it was just such a fun ass movie. Yeah, I mean, the guy knows how to make an action flick, whether it's a man on fire or an unstoppable train or some top guns.
Speaker 2:All right, what do you got for the fine? The fine, I don't know man, I think Dakota Fanning, I hope she, she does a lot, I mean she's a lot, I hope I mean she's a lot older now and you don't really see her a lot.
Speaker 1:I think she's in the Watchers, which was directed by um cause, directed by shit um M, not Shyamalan's daughter. It's on Max um she. But the last thing I saw her in was Once Upon a Time in hollywood quentin tarantino's movie. Okay, she's at the ranch. Have you seen that yet?
Speaker 2:no, no, but like I, really it's on seven I think, um, I really would like to see like her doing more roles. Uh, because you know, like child actors have a really hard time yeah, growing up out of their yeahleness?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I definitely. I think. I can't remember if I remember reading it or not, but I feel like she had a hard time after you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because once you're not a little cute baby anymore, like they kind of throw you out with a you know baby, out with the bathwater, it's like I need to read up about her.
Speaker 1:What was like her history of growing up as a child?
Speaker 2:Let's get her on the pod.
Speaker 1:Yeah, dakota Fanning, if you're listening. All right, we're going to hit our next and last category, called Double Feature. What is a?
Speaker 2:movie Jason that you think goes well with man on Fire. Well, if you just can't get enough of girls getting kidnapped, what's taken?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I'd like to watch it back to back just to compare which. Who, which director did it better. Yeah, and because I, from what I remember of taken it was cool, but it was I don't. I think this one, I think man on fire does it better?
Speaker 1:when I watched taken for the first time, uh, I decided I never wanted to travel again.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the action in Taken was really fun, and, of course, liam Neeson's just like I don't know. Before he started doing all these action movies as an old man, he was regarded as a really good actor. Yeah, you know, theater actor, shakespearean type stuff, I don't know. So my movie that I picked is a movie that I watched for the first time because Natalie told me I had to watch it. It's a Kurt Russell movie. It's called Breakdown. That's cool.
Speaker 1:I've never seen it A man searches for his missing wife after his car breaks down in the middle of the desert, and a man and she takes a ride to like the nearest store with a truck driver.
Speaker 2:And never returns. Boom, boom, boom that sounds cool as hell.
Speaker 1:It's so fun. It's stressful and fun. Kurt Russell's great.
Speaker 1:He's pissed the hell off you'll see a bunch of actors in this movie that you'll be like, oh, I haven't thought about them in a while. Like JT Walsh. Oh wow, mc Ganey, he's. He's in Lost, of course. Yeah, there's just a few people you see like, oh, I haven't seen them in a while. So much fun. Oh yeah, so stressful. And it's kind of like it makes you like I never really thought about the crime world in Mexico City. Right, yeah, this will make you never thought about the crime world. Truckers oh man, they're awful. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2:The last podcast episode of yes, they're so scary.
Speaker 1:Where they interviewed a guy that went along with.
Speaker 2:I have they're so scary where they interviewed a guy that went along with two uncles that are truck drivers and they are scary the truck drivers I know, which is mainly through Natalie. They're all like really good people yeah, I mean, my uncles are fine. Yeah, they're just creepy yeah, not all.
Speaker 1:Not all truck drivers are creepy.
Speaker 2:Jason, my uncle, richard, open kissed, open mouth kissed my wife on our wedding night after we got married.
Speaker 1:Put them in jail she was like ew, ew, ew, ew. It's like oh, this is not what I wanted, way to completely ruin this night for us because I'll.
Speaker 2:That's the only thing I can't kiss her anymore. Yeah well, I guess she's yours now. Thanks, uncle, that's the only thing. Oh no, I can't kiss her anymore. Yeah Well, I guess she's yours now.
Speaker 1:Thanks, uncle, that's how this works.
Speaker 2:It's like I got another wife she clubbed her in the head and drug her out the door.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Then you saw fire for the first time.
Speaker 2:What is this?
Speaker 1:That's our episode on man on.
Speaker 2:Fire baby.
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Speaker 2:Warburg.
Speaker 1:Mark Warburg.
Speaker 2:Mark Wahlberg.
Speaker 1:Mark Wahlbergers and Will Ferrell. Baby Love this movie. Hell yeah, it's so fun and hip and just can't wait. Mark Wahlberg is so good in this movie, so charismatic, it's like after the Departed, everybody's like we need him to yell a lot, and that's what he did for the rest of his career, except now he doesn't. He just says boring movies now. So make sure you join us, for the other guys Love this movie. If you don't love this movie, still listen, but like get better taste. So yeah, and if you want to contact us, go into our description, where we have a link at the top that you can click and send us a text message, or go to the bottom where you can go to we recommend at mailbag. All right, we recommend mailbag at gmailcom. Um, yeah, get our link tree, link tree for slash.
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