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Sicario
Ever wondered what it feels like for a protagonist to be completely baffled by the world around them? That's the intriguing perspective we discuss in our latest episode as we dissect "Sicario," a film that pulls no punches with its moral murkiness and relentless tension. We passionately debate the parallels with "No Country for Old Men," while exploring the electrifying performances of Emily Blunt, Daniel Kaluuya, Benicio Del Toro, and Josh Brolin. Our conversation spirals into the film's intense visual and auditory elements, with specific praise for Denis Villeneuve's direction and the atmospheric score by Johan Johansson.
From thrilling action sequences to adrenaline-filled scenes across the border, we leave no stone unturned. Hear our lively discussion on the cultural nuances of border realities and drug trafficking, peppered with humor and personal anecdotes that bring the narrative to life. We dive into the complexities of cartel operations, military maneuvering, and the ethical dilemmas faced by the film’s characters. Along the way, we share our thoughts on the unexpected charm of cowboy hats in the Texas Rangers and the unsettling calm of Juarez's routine violence, painting a vivid picture of the film's authentic tension.
But it's not all about serious analysis. We find room for laughter as we explore themes of transformation, betrayal, and vengeance, drawing comparisons to other popular media and action films. From a comedic take on John Wick as a duck to the tantalizing idea of a Cheech and Chong-themed podcast, our discussion takes many unexpected turns. Tune in for a rollercoaster of emotions, insights, and cinematic reflections that promise to entertain and engage every movie enthusiast.
Hello and welcome to the we Recommend podcast, a movie podcast where every week we recommend a movie for you to watch and then come back here and listen to us discuss. I'm Jesse, I'm Jason, I'm Dakota. What's our objective? To dramatically overreact, because this week we recommend Sicario. So five-star movie. Yes, that was really good. Five out of five, right.
Speaker 3:Everybody.
Speaker 1:Four out of five. Okay, I'm going to go fuck you.
Speaker 3:It's one of those movies that we were talking about with no Country. It's like where's the fault? What's the problem here?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, other than the fact that it's probably all completely, uh, not how any of this probably works oh no, definitely not, they're too organized. It's so good at making you think it is. This is how it works and it's like I believe it.
Speaker 2:I don't care, I just believe it yeah, I mean, I could totally believe that they would do something, that our government would do something like this.
Speaker 3:It's like we want to choose who the bad guy is in control, because, yeah, and that's what I love about this, because it's like whose side am I on?
Speaker 1:oh wait, nobody's side. But it's like at the same time you're like, well, yeah, if we can't stop it, let's have someone we can control. So I kind of am on the side of, like the government, but lesser of twoils. But then they're showing you, after they do, scenes like the shootout at the border. It kind of just pans up to the Mexican people looking at it. That was terrifying. Or then giving you the perspective of the cop's family that ends up dying and it's like I'm on nobody's side.
Speaker 2:I don't like any of this.
Speaker 3:Let's just get rid of drugs. The I'm on nobody's side. I don't like any of this. Let's just get rid of drugs. The thing should be to try and win versus. It's easier to try and puppet someone because it's more power you can have. Yeah.
Speaker 2:What is?
Speaker 1:it.
Speaker 3:It's great power comes great responsibility.
Speaker 2:No, spider-man's a drug dealer.
Speaker 3:It always comes back around.
Speaker 2:God he'd be so good at that. Oh, he'd be so good on drugs, I don't know.
Speaker 1:I just love like the just kind of movies all gray, right, just like nothing's black and white, it's all just gray, there's just nothing we can do about it. And as bad as it makes me feel, I love it in a movie. So I just think this is just another movie where every actor is perfect in the director, the cinematography, denny villeneuve. Um, roger deakins does the cinematography probably the oh well, best guy we got to do cinematography. Um, but like I just love blunt. She's such a great nervous, suspicious actor, she plays that really well. Oppenheimer she was kind of like that, um, edge of tomorrow, even though she's like super confident. She's such a great nervous, suspicious actor, she plays that really well. Oppenheimer she was kind of like that oh shit, edge of Tomorrow, even though she's super confident. She's like what the fuck is going on with Tom Cruise here? Daniel Kaluuya, our best low-energy actor, but he's such a regular dude in every movie that you're just like you're down, you're down to clown with him.
Speaker 1:Is that the guy from nope, yeah, no, get out really good. Um, yeah, judah and the black messiah. He's so good in that movie. That's where he won his oscar. Then you got benicio del toro, who's always mysterious and kind of weird, like he always makes wild choices but like they kind of like reigned him in on this. No stutter this time, yeah, but he usually has like a weird like tick in all his movies and like I remember reading like directors and I think it even I think ryan johnson said something about, uh, him in last jedi, where he like showed up and started doing the stutter thing and he's like, he's like, yeah, I didn't tell him to do that, he just did it, but he's good so I mean, just let it happen um, and then you got Josh, josh Brolin charming as fuck dude like no
Speaker 3:matter if he's a good guy, bad guy. I'm like, I'm in you can tell he's kind of like I don't know. I'm gonna say like sleazy, but there's something about him. But he's just like still just kind of listening to you.
Speaker 1:Mr Smooth Talker his damn hair, god flip flops. I hope when I'm that old I can have amazing hair like that. Yeah, I know every other day.
Speaker 2:My oldest daughter is like you're going bald, I go. No, yeah, go to school go to school.
Speaker 3:Make every American American man happy.
Speaker 1:Look up the cure for baldness we're just like go to school, get sick, come back, bring it to me and I'll get sick. Yeah, brolin, I almost want to say he's kind of the best actor in this movie. Just from the whole movie. He's so smiley, charming, chipper, and then whenever, like they finally terrifying yeah.
Speaker 1:But then, like whenever, like they figure out, oh shit, we're just here because you need us, so you can perform this operation the facade goes off his face and from that point he's like oh, by the way, I'm in charge. Yeah, if you didn't know, I'm in charge of this.
Speaker 3:I just maybe like feels like something was always off, I could feel it. I'm blunt, like blunt suspicion is like I'm with you, girl, I could feel it.
Speaker 2:It was as soon as he asked her if she was married or had kids. I was like what?
Speaker 3:Oh, in my head I saw that more as like you don't, you don't have any liabilities, so like the cartel and stuff can't use them against you. So die.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's like you're probably gonna die. Yeah, yeah, um, uh, we got to talk about john bernthal, right, oh my god. So from this point, for me, john bernthal is he comes into your movie or tv show.
Speaker 2:It's like god, dang it, dude, we're in trouble he's gonna cause some chaos in some way, and he does and he's so good at it, but he's so.
Speaker 1:He's got a trustworthy face that you can't trust.
Speaker 3:I'm going to save it for when the scene comes up. I don't want to talk about that so much. Yeah, because the way just certain ways it made me feel. Even through most of it, it made me realize like, after seeing that scene and then remembering the scene from the bear, I'm like he needs like a leading role. Stop making him the punisher. Give him something good he's overly handsome.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yes, you can't trust, overly handsome it's like hey man you're so handsome, probably when you're younger who beat you up? And how are you still handsome after getting beat up?
Speaker 3:and then I sit here and think I was like man, you know, after he did die in Walking Dead spoilers, I know but you should know by this point.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know, it was the first season, rick. Well, in the first season.
Speaker 2:I thought it was like two two seasons.
Speaker 3:I feel like Walking Dead went down after that no, it went down like season two.
Speaker 1:That's when he died. They did nothing in season 2. Well, it's because that's when stupid ass farm they lost a producer like a big producer they lost a big budget and they have to re-figure out what they needed to do. The main guy, the guy that directed the Mist I'm blanking on his name.
Speaker 2:I thought Del Toro or something, no alright, I get Guillermo Del Toro and Benicio Del Toro.
Speaker 3:It's alright, I did that this morning they don't look nothing like, but it's alright yeah, I know. Frank Darabont well, he was the guy for the comics, right? Yeah, that's what it was.
Speaker 1:Maybe I don't know um, what were we talking about? Berth, berth, berthal yeah, he's like a character actor, so I feel like you know that's kind of like what his mainstay is. He like just shows up and just acts the hell out of the scene he's in everything.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know who else is popping up in everything John Cena.
Speaker 1:John Cena Okay.
Speaker 3:Well, when I see him, I'm just like, oh hey, look he's gonna be look Just elbow dropping cartel members.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So I want to know is this like so this type of movie, like this shit's in my bag, man, like I love this? It's just like just like desert-y type of like gritty, very gritty, yeah, Police procedural type of thing. It feels like a very like adrenaline pumping, but it's like done in a prestigious way, which makes it even better.
Speaker 1:It's not over the top maybe like something like what was it? One movie I love Hell or High Water. It's a very prestigious like feel to it, versus like because it could should just be like a dad movie, right, like, yeah, let me watch these Americans kick some Mexicans' butts, that's what I want to watch.
Speaker 3:Stuff down there that border wall, and they'd be stronger.
Speaker 1:You know, adding like the perspective like of the Mexican people and those towns like really makes it kind of feel like, make you feel more like a Phil.
Speaker 3:It took me a minute, the first time when I watched this Okay, we're watching this family, what's going on? And it took me a minute to realize, when, I think after he got shot or something, or when it came back to the kid later and I was like, wait, what happened to him? Did we just see he just die off screen?
Speaker 1:I was like oh, I just I missed the connection there because they're I mean like the scenes with him are so small and slight, but it just kind of.
Speaker 3:They're like maybe 30 to a minute well, if you, um, uh, I would recommend watching narcos when it has, uh, when it's all about, um, you know pedro pascal's, yeah, uh, and they talk about medellin, that's the whole uh air, that's that whole time. Frame it when he's talking about how medellin was. That was when, uh, pablo escobar was in charge and was a different time it was a good that that was a good show on Netflix. After Pablo was killed I stopped kind of watching. I just didn't care anymore.
Speaker 1:There was another show after season two. I think people were just like.
Speaker 3:I think it was three seasons before yeah. And then after that I couldn't. I just didn't really care. Pedro Pascal was gone and I liked the main. I don't even know he was one of the bad guys in Logan.
Speaker 1:Oh gotcha. So like, is this like a type of movie I love, or is it just like a movie I'll occasionally like to watch? It's very entertaining Well.
Speaker 3:I just watched it, you know, for a couple yeah, first time a couple months ago and I'm like hesitant to watch the second one because I'm, like I, donittier and not as prestigious, but it's a.
Speaker 1:what is it? It's from the big picture. They like to call it like crime, crime, trash, trash, crime films. I guess it's more along the lines of that. But people that like love this movie ended up liking that movie.
Speaker 3:So it's not going to like tear it down, it's just not going to have that prestigious feel apparently. Because it more focuses on Brolin and Del Toro. Right, Because Emily Blunt's not back.
Speaker 1:I don't know if I think Brolin's back. I meant to watch it. I just didn't have enough time to watch it. I really didn't want to, though, screw you streaming services when I watched it on what Were you able to watch it?
Speaker 2:on Amazon yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was on Amazon, Okay. You lied to me. Well, I thought it was, but I didn't know I bought it for nothing.
Speaker 3:I knew you wanted to buy it. I know you did.
Speaker 1:Don't pretend you gave me an excuse to look. It's almost like that's a thing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, damn dude a process for movies? How?
Speaker 1:good is watching this movie and just seeing how it all plays out. Like everything from before. They go to juarez, right, uh, getting on the plane, going there, going. They walk into the middle of the debriefing and it's so fun, everybody's like yeah, we're a bunch of boys the one girl and there's like, okay, what the is this? And then like them going and just, oh, dude, the car, ride to go pick up Guillermo.
Speaker 3:Oh man. Well, it shows you how different, like the people who the boys crew that's with um Brolin Cause he knows how he's that person, he knows how to get on their side of the typical dad thing you would say.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:But then you got um, what's his name? The other guy from nope, oh uh, daniel clue kalua reggie reggie. Okay, uh, reggie is like blunt, no nonsense, and it's like what are you doing?
Speaker 1:like this is what we have to do yeah, they don't have that boys club feel to them no because they're not. They weren't like troops in afghanistan, which I guess gives you I said you were in the military gives you that brother that unspoken, or you don't even have to speak about it. It's like we're in it together. They're really close.
Speaker 2:I kind of like their relationship, her and Blunt, Reggie and Blunt.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Yeah, I like their friendship too. It's just I like when we're starting to get oh, blunt's name is Kate a little bit more, when movies have the two like two characters, a male and a female. They could just be really good friends without them having to fuck.
Speaker 1:I like that. We're getting that.
Speaker 3:I watched the Nice Guy yesterday with Jackie Chan, just to watch a Jackie Chan movie, and he has this like assistant and they're really close and there's nothing going on there, like there's a scene where he's like washing dishes and he's like trying to scratch his back. She's like, oh, come here and she lifts up his shirts or scratches back and stuff for him, but his fiancee or girlfriend like walks and she's like what's going on?
Speaker 1:that's a movie I recommend. By the way, that's what I'll always have you do. Yes, uh, yeah, I do. That's a great observation, dakota, like whenever she comes out of the shower and it's like girl, you need a new bra.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we got to get you laid, girl. Yeah, that's a wingman right there. Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 3:The last person he's seen is you, because I'm like this is a little weird, but there's literally like nothing between them and it's I like it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, also I love that he's a lawyer, so he's like way more like analytical about everything and like while people are talking, it always like cuts to him, just like listening, and then he's always kind of as we're blunt throughout it because she, I guess, didn't have that lawyer background. She was kind of more um, and she obviously didn't speak spanish. It seemed like, uh, she was kind of more in the dark and then when he got there which is why she wanted him there it's like are you getting this? And he's like I understand everything completely.
Speaker 3:Cause he and then when it's like second I said eyes and she trusts him. Yeah, it's that extra perspective on what he can have.
Speaker 1:Yeah, cause she's around people that she from day one was, from minute one. She was like y'all grab me.
Speaker 3:Why do you need me? This isn't something I normally do. This is weird.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so we'll hop into some facts. I feel like we got a good dialogue there. So while Benicio Del Toro's character is frequently silent in the movie, he initially had more lines in the original script. The character explained his background several times to Kate Del Toro said, and that gave me information about who this guy was. But it felt a little stiff to have someone you just met 15 minutes ago suddenly telling you what happened to him and who he is Working with, director Dennis Villeneuve. Del Toro began cutting some of his dialogue to preserving the mystery of who his character is. Villeneuve estimated they cut 90% of what Del Toro was originally intended to say by screenwriter Taylor Sheridan of Yellowstone intended to say by screenwriter Taylor Sheridan of Yellowstone. Like del Toro, Villeneuve saw power in stripping the character down to a brooding silence, stating that dialogue belongs to plays and movies are about movement, character presence, and Benicio had all that.
Speaker 2:That's awesome. Good decision to remove that.
Speaker 1:It's what makes a good director from a bad director.
Speaker 3:Yeah, who takes the notes and said no, like I get to see it and be like no, no, yeah, you got to do it my way.
Speaker 1:Well, it's like just exposition, man, it's so exhausting.
Speaker 2:Like when you meet somebody at work and they give you their whole life story in the first five minutes.
Speaker 3:Or like a retail worker. Yeah, the amount of times people like, oh, how are you doing I'm doing good, like, oh, how are you doing I'm doing good, how are you father's got cancer and my mom died like two months ago and I'm sitting here just scanning their arms, like when I worked at home depot.
Speaker 1:there's so many times where, like someone would ask for help and then in the middle of it I'm like they didn't need help, they needed a conversation, yeah, yeah. And you're just getting like calls like on the intercom saying that they need somebody, and it's like they're specifically calling me. But how do I get out of this? Because I have to go above and beyond for this one customer and then I'm going to be like where were you? And be like I don't know man, this guy would leave me alone, but if you need to know about his life, I'll let you know.
Speaker 3:The best way to do that that I've learned is my resting my RBF face. Just walk around. Most people just don't want to talk to me.
Speaker 1:I often got told at Home Depot it's like, wow, you know, you wear all your expressions on your face and I was like, oh, I got to get better at not making a face.
Speaker 3:Yeah, now you just at work. I loved when I because I've seen it when you're talking to someone at work at one point and you were just laughing and then you turned around and your face was just ah dude.
Speaker 1:I was like ah, there, it is all day, every day, dude, everybody thinks I'm so nice, I'm such a little bitch. Um, so, did you ever watch the movie Everest? It's a Josh Brolin, jake Gyllenhaal, I believe they're all in it. They're going up Everest about the people that died up there. I don't think so. Well, josh Brolin was in it and apparently he turned down this film because he was so tired, because you know, that was a pretty big, exhausting thing they had to do there. But Sir Roger Deakins, the cinematographer apparently he's knighted sent him an email imploring him to join the project. Since it was so uncharacteristic of deacons to take this stand, brolin changed his mind.
Speaker 3:God bless you, deacons I still think about brolin.
Speaker 1:Just I wanted to be in a coen brothers movie, as he's flying through the air oh yeah, I think whenever we, us who did the no country that never made it to air.
Speaker 3:We talked about that a little bit. Yeah, that's hilarious. I just it's so funny.
Speaker 1:So let's see. Emily Blunt based Kate Masur's character on one of four female FBI agents she spoke to in preparation for the role, whom she described as shy and with a loner quality to him. Yeah, man, how fun would it be to be an actor or an actress in like an fbi movie. You get to learn how, like you get to go train with them, which has to be fun as hell.
Speaker 3:That's the one thing I always think about. And then you do that stuff.
Speaker 1:And then it's like your time's like, oh shit, I trained with the fbi, I know how to do this. Let's go baby. Because that's whenever I think about the beginning of this movie, I immediately I'm like, oh, that's how to be so, let's go baby. Because that's whenever I think about the beginning of this movie, I immediately I'm like, oh, that's how to be so fun tactical breaching every room in the house get to play that so fun the training they do for like John Wick.
Speaker 3:Oh my god, I would love to just go do speed like, because it's a skill you're learning and all like the martial arts he learned too and he got to like a certain degree of belt. He just got that from doing work. It's like that'd be so fun to do. Just to get speed shooting good aim, quick reloads and then all the martial arts he learns as well.
Speaker 2:It's a little bit fun. Yeah, what if you think you ever didn't shoot someone in the head? And they're like cut, cut.
Speaker 1:I know I could do better God we gotta start, we gotta get to those.
Speaker 3:We gotta get to those John Wick movies because I keep thinking about them. I watched John.
Speaker 2:Wick 1 on a plane and it made the people next to me very uncomfortable.
Speaker 1:Why is it? Because you're just like bang bang After it was over.
Speaker 3:You should take your headphones off.
Speaker 2:I think, I'm back.
Speaker 3:I think I'm back For Tyler out there. I think I'm quack.
Speaker 1:Did I ever tell you? Well, sorry, I feel like I got to explain the joke. So I said it'd be really funny if John Wick was actually a duck and then, instead of saying I think I'm back, it's like yeah, I'm thinking I'm quack.
Speaker 3:And he just rolled his eyes every time. He hated the joke. It's still funny, though.
Speaker 1:I hate how much he hates, how I'm funny.
Speaker 3:I know that's what made it funnier.
Speaker 1:It's like you're just feeding it. It's like I know you think I'm funny. Laugh God, dang it. I just thought this was very interesting. It's not much of a fact, but for the sequences involving the thermal and night vision goggles they were non-functional. A Prost man heated the soles of his shoes so his footprints would register more prominently throughout the length of the shot I was watching that I was like did he just walk across hot coals?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was thinking. I was like well, they are in the desert.
Speaker 1:Maybe they do have hot footprints. Maybe I knew they made these. They kind of showed me a picture of a rubber ducky as John Wick, and it's amazing. Tubs or tubes, whatever they're called, let's see. Oh, here's another good one. On the airplane flight, when Alejandro is having a nightmare, you can hear his wife and daughter screaming inside the sound of the engines. Did y'all catch?
Speaker 3:that, yeah, second watch. I was sitting here and I was like I didn't notice that the first time.
Speaker 1:So the screenplay contained a nightmare scene in which Alejandro was tied to a chair, with his wrist tied to the arm, and he witnessed his daughter being put into the vat of acid and his wife's head being cut off. The movement of his hand indicates his attempt to break free the engine. Noise and sound of the airflow triggered this nightmare while he sleep. So, like, obviously, like a part of you almost wants to see that scene, but like the way it's done it would be too.
Speaker 1:it'd be something I'd be like, yeah, we could have just cut that. Yeah, it's kind of it goes with his character of what he said, like writing it.
Speaker 3:Thinking of what happened to make bacon. And here's that sizzle he gets triggered, he smells it my daughter just throws the hot bacon at the oh my god, like when, when you cause he doesn't reveal it until later, right, or is Brolin's character? Someone reveals it, yeah and I was like ah, I uh kinda don't feel bad at the end yeah, that's.
Speaker 1:That's why this movie is like such a gray area, because when you get to that end like you know, I've watched this movie a bunch because I love it and it's like I know that he's going to shoot the kids.
Speaker 3:I didn't know that. Oh yeah, I didn't know either.
Speaker 1:I'm glad he did though I mean they're probably going to grow up, it's I mean he shouldn't have done it. I hate that he shot the kids, but at the same time it's like he's got his revenge but then it's just like he did.
Speaker 3:I don't know how to feel about it. I just like I didn't say it was right, but I understand.
Speaker 1:You know what it is. It's um and that scene whenever he's and she's like we're dead. And she probably knew. Yeah, and that's like. That's when I'm like I hate everything, nothing is good.
Speaker 2:Everything is bad. I thought she was going to reach for a weapon or something. I love that that didn't happen.
Speaker 3:One thing I can I like about Telltale World's character character is that he's on a mission, but there's none of that. Like you can't do this because it's wrong.
Speaker 1:He's like no, I'm going to do it.
Speaker 3:He's a person on that mission and he will do it and he doesn't have any like regrets Like you could see on his face. It's like I'm doing it.
Speaker 2:He's got nothing left to live for.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean, we thought we were watching a drug movie.
Speaker 3:We're actually watching a revenge flick or watching a family film.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So when the team entered the tunnel, Emily Blunt hits her head on top of the tunnel.
Speaker 2:I don't know if you remember that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I saw that Villeneuve said in an interview that he left that take in because it added more realness to the mission in the film itself. For the fight scene, Jon Bernthal assured Emily Blunt that he was an experienced boxer and she could hit him at full strength.
Speaker 3:Well, that explains his face.
Speaker 1:Let's see there's some more. In the original screenplay, Alejandro was only going to murder Alcaron.
Speaker 1:Alcaron, alcaron in front of his wife. It was later changed to him killing the entire family at the dinner table. I'm just going to do some of these like quick fire, because I really like a lot of these. In the final raid scene, when Benicio del Toro's character is invading Fausto's mansion alone, he throws caution to the wind after he sees Fausto's family eating across the lawn. If you notice this is because his radio control with aerial support tells him that six remain. After shooting, the hen's been in the hallway. Seeing the family of four in the single house made he realizes the coast is clear and that's why he just walks right up okay, I was wondering he's not being really sneaky, but there's got to be less people yeah, that's the only thing I could make the assumption with oh man, just one last thing real quick.
Speaker 1:Emily Blunt and Ben Both appeared in the Wolfman, that really bad movie At the end of this film he tells her to move to a new town because this is now a land of wolves. She would not survive there. You remember the movie A fun cross?
Speaker 3:That is. I just watched that movie not long ago. I didn't finish it, but I remember watching it.
Speaker 1:Oh, and also, I guess, because Blunt and Del Toro were in that movie together. They became like brother and sister, I guess, and friends on it.
Speaker 2:There was originally supposed to be a nude scene in this movie with blunt um, but they're like we don't want to do it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I guess it was probably gonna be the burnthal like whole choking her out whether top off or something, and they, oh no, yeah yeah, that's my fantasy baby.
Speaker 3:Well, I know how jason feels, how are you about like? Because a lot of people complain's like, what's the point of like all the nudity in movies these days? And they're trying to as long as it's not exploitative.
Speaker 1:I mean I just I was, we're in America, so everybody's scared of sex.
Speaker 3:Well, it's not that, it's just like I don't think it's unnecessary.
Speaker 3:What do you mean Like with sex scenes are just like when like younger generations don't really like sex and movies well, I'm fine with it, because it's just like when you're, when you're sitting there watching it and like I'm watching with my girlfriend, it's just kind of like this is awkward, like one thing I can't, like I was. I don't know if I realized how I made the connection, for it was when I've been listening my audiobooks and they're getting like oh, we were, you know, make it out and start getting a little more explicit explicit like turn it up, roll.
Speaker 3:Well, it's very awkward when you were at the cheese factory, then you're sitting here like oh, that's when I just like unplug and let everybody listen well, it's funny because most of the time it's man reading yeah, so then they're doing the woman part too. I love it. There was like some stuff that's happened at Pet Cemetery.
Speaker 1:He's like.
Speaker 3:I don't need this much description yeah, um, um. My main take on this is everybody should be kissing and having sex, so I'm down for it and whatever he's got, horns up too, cause he's like America. I mean, it's a. I heard an eagle in the distance.
Speaker 1:I do. I do get that Sometimes sex scenes can be like alright, what was the point of the sex scene?
Speaker 3:I don't ever think they really add anything.
Speaker 1:It just depends on the movie it depends on the movie. Sometimes, yeah, it's usually. I mean, I don't know, I think it can be off screen. It just depends how well it's interweaved into the movie.
Speaker 2:It's like when you're watching a movie and the director's, like everybody really wants to see your boobs and Watching a movie.
Speaker 1:and the director's, like everybody really wants to see your boobs, and that's the only reason. That's how it used to be. Producer walks in, take a tap off.
Speaker 3:Pulls a stogie out of his mouth Only tits were right around her face. I talked to you about that movie.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I think if it's done well, I mean, then yeah, put it in the movie. But if you can't find a way to make it meaningful in the movie, then there's no reason. I think it's more of just like. I mean it's great in, like you know, romantic movies. Yeah, put it in there. It's the point of those movies.
Speaker 3:I think it's more of like just in a scene like when I was watching Nice Guy. Normally in an R-rated film a reporter A reporter gets home. She's like I got the evidence and she's turning the shower on and normally she would just get naked. You see her, and then the next thing bad guys show up and she's like half naked. Then I'm like that's kind of useless. Like there was like later when she shows looks at her evidence that she has. It's not the right one.
Speaker 2:Bad guys show up, and she's in her, I guess yeah but in situation I don't know a movie where nudity is but if it's a dude you're just like you laugh about it like a movie where like nudity and sex is like important.
Speaker 3:It would be like the substance, like that was a whole point is about like yeah, that bodies and yeah, I think it's because in that, that's what I knew it was going to be about and that's the theme of it is your body and aging and stuff For a movie like Sicario, yeah, it would not have made a difference whether there was a sex scene or a nudity scene in this.
Speaker 2:They could have used it to make you hate somebody a lot more, you know. Yeah, just do something awful with a nude person Like how they hung the bodies up from the bridge.
Speaker 3:That makes sense. That I see, because it's like it's a, it's humiliation yeah, I could not think of that word Turned into Jesse, hey, so far, I'm doing good.
Speaker 1:I just messed up one name which I tried to I'm sorry everyone. Like Fausto, I'm just. I promise I practice and I practice, but hopped up on coffee and I get nervous when doing this, no matter what, and you know this is just who I am. I don't know how to say thanks.
Speaker 3:I just want to call out I'm so happy you're using your little movie chair.
Speaker 1:I got you like how long ago I was going to use the beach one when I'm up in the air and not like down floor level and y'all are looking down at me, which makes me it's a power play for us. Yeah, I did that for you guys, so you guys felt powerful and, you know, confident, dominant, yeah.
Speaker 3:Now let's follow up while I'm sitting over here in the corner, like it's okay, I'm fine.
Speaker 1:Well, anything before we get into the plot, I can't wait to talk about this first scene. The whole movie reminded me of living in El Paso hell yeah, you said something like you were in Juarez or you dropped your mom off at Juarez so Fort Bliss is basically right across the river.
Speaker 2:El Paso is right across the river from Juarez and you see it almost every day. It looks dangerous. It just looks because it's a border town. All border towns are pretty dangerous.
Speaker 1:There was actually one thing I did read, I guess, like I don't know, I don't know Whoever was like in charge of Juarez, like at the time of this filming. There was like the they said like a little fact of this filming. There was like the they said like a little fact that, like so many people die like a week or a day or a month or whatever in Juarez and the guy tried to boycott the film Cause he's like it's not like that. Now it's since. I guess it was like that. It hasn't been like that since like 2010.
Speaker 3:Well, many like after Escobar and stuff, so many like after Escobar and stuff it took a. They just now kind of still have like they rebuilt the city some and had made it try to make it a tourist place for people want to come. They still like cannot get over, like that was Escobar's thing and they still can get past that image Like it, it's hard to break.
Speaker 1:If we have anybody that listens to this that knows a lot about war is. Please send us some fan mail. You can go on link in our description, click the very top, and you can let us know about it, or go to the very bottom of the description to our email. We recommend mailbag at gmailcom. We'd love to hear your thoughts about it yeah.
Speaker 2:So we want to drop my mom off at the border there because she lives in mexico. She came to visit us in el paso. I was really scared for her because I dropped her off at the wrong border crossing and they were just like walking through the city and got picked up by some cartel members and they just were nice and gave them a ride. I was like wow, she said yeah, it was like a convoy of three big black SUVs picked us up and gave us a ride. I'm like holy shit, mom it's like why?
Speaker 1:why did they just do that?
Speaker 2:they're probably like what the fuck are you doing in our town? They just like can't. It's always funny cause anytime with you, jason.
Speaker 3:I feel like we always get a little tidbit and it's like what?
Speaker 1:you did that. It's like always these little extra information, anytime we talk, anytime we bring up Mexico in a movie, like Jason always just like says something I'm like Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3:It's not even Mexico, there's other things. But I noticed that with the people who I work with, who were in the military, you kind of get traveled and have some experiences. Everyone at work has a chunk of them from the military, so they've had the travel. One guy was like oh, I lived in Germany. He's like I love the Autobahn, the road, and he's just like man to me. It's crazy and I'm sitting here like I haven't done anything.
Speaker 3:Other people used to be like. I got one co-worker who had a band he was signed with Interscope Records at one point, which was Limp Bizkit that's cool. And then another guy who worked at the CMAs on there. Yeah, All of them had done music Wow.
Speaker 2:That's crazy. I have not traveled, just join the military. I'm sure everything will be fine.
Speaker 3:Yeah, my knees will definitely survive.
Speaker 1:They'd be like get out of our recruitment center.
Speaker 3:Who's making Rice Krispies? And it's just me doing some stretches.
Speaker 1:They're like okay, run through these tires. You're like your legs are just flopping everywhere, popping in and out of sockets Like oh he broke his legs Like nah, it just does that it twists around.
Speaker 2:Could I have an that? Oh yeah, that's right, we worked together. I forgot about that.
Speaker 1:It's like he can essentially make his legs do the opposite of what they're supposed to do.
Speaker 2:That's not what they're supposed to do man, I know.
Speaker 3:That's what the doctors told me too.
Speaker 1:The doctor says we need to run testing. You're a different type of man. Well, shit, um, I guess. One more thing about this movie uh, it's really made me like want to look up what's happening at the border right. I was just like oh shit, maybe like even though I know this movie's not realistic technically, but it just made me like super interested, be like oh, maybe we should figure out what's going on down there just because you know, if there is like drugs are getting this crazy and it's like this much of now, I guess because we're in Tennessee.
Speaker 1:You know we're not like in Texas, so it's not like guys. We got to figure this out.
Speaker 3:Well, let me tell you this, because I don't want to get on, even though there is cartel intent. The border crossing that, they say, is like people walking over. All drugs come in through planes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's actually that's going to have to be something that.
Speaker 2:You mean they don't build cars out of weed anymore and send two guys.
Speaker 1:It's not Cheech and Chong anymore. Ooh, we got to do Cheech and Chong soon I've actually been wanting to do that.
Speaker 3:I'm telling you, you got to do it after doing the Cheech and Chong.
Speaker 2:What it's a dance we made.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I can't do a dance we made oh yeah, I can't. I can't do a podcast like that.
Speaker 2:Yes, you can.
Speaker 1:I can't put my headphones on because of hearing my own voice while being like Just make it a fun one.
Speaker 3:It should be kind of like your Halloween movies have been. Yeah, kind of like a live commentary yeah, just have to edit a lot, because there'd be a lot of like tangents of laughing.
Speaker 1:Let us know. Send us some fan mail and let us know if you want us to do Cheech and Chong in a fun way. Well, I think we did an all right job not saying in what type of fun way we'd do it. All right, should we? Hop in Just another thing, just another, just another thing, just another great line we got to cut from Jason.
Speaker 3:What makes me think of that? A video with Al drugs, drugs, alright.
Speaker 1:Y'all ready to hop into the film? Hell yeah, damn, that was a clean transition. You guys aren't gonna know what we just cut out, baby alright. Sicario 2015, directed by Denny Villeneuve. We learned that in Mexico, sicario means hit man, and it's funny. The first time I watched it I was like what does that have to do with anything? And it's like it's obviously right in our face.
Speaker 3:Yes, it is.
Speaker 1:So we're in Chandler, arizona, fbi critical incident response group agents Kate Mercer and Reggie Wayne played by Emily Blunt and Daniel Kaluuya I believe I'm saying that right lead a raid on a suspected mexican cartel safe house where they discovered dozens of decaying corpses embedded inside the walls of the house they were originally looking for like kidnapped people yeah, how wild is it to be looking for hostages and then bust out a wall with your vehicle.
Speaker 3:That was so surprise Guns blazing. We don't do subtle we go in guns blazing.
Speaker 1:I feel like a good edit would have been them doing that. And then the one guy from Dexter surprise motherfucker.
Speaker 3:I really like that before you see Blunt's nervousness, like she's. I don't know if she's done this before her character, but even if she has, this is still something like.
Speaker 1:The point is that she's still technically she's not a rookie, but she still is.
Speaker 3:I mean doing a raid regardless is going to be.
Speaker 1:Nerve wracking. And plus it's Arizona and it looks hot in the screen.
Speaker 2:It is hot.
Speaker 3:Which is great cinematography With all it is hot, great director great cinematography with all those bodies? Little thing about all their armor, their black gear, because I think I've been through. Chandler, arizona, and it fucking sucks there.
Speaker 1:It's hot well, I do like the color correction in it, because it like in this movie, because especially the beginning, it's that it like the there's not much color, but it's just like you can, the way that it looks.
Speaker 3:It just feels hot I would say they like turned it, toned it down, because when you're there and like you, have mainly dirt because anytime.
Speaker 1:I would walk, be inside, you know, in a building all day and then walk out, get that kind of like ah, it's bright outside, yeah, because it's fucking desert yeah, um, but I love that when they come in and they see like all the people they're looking for kidnap people and it's like apparently these people on the walls were different than the kidnap people, just kind of showing how out of their depth they are, they're like, oh damn, like we're so behind on everything.
Speaker 3:I like that. Well, blunt went and threw up, but you could see that as they stunk, yeah, they stunk, it was just a smell thing.
Speaker 1:I don't think it's like something that and it's funny is like I understand hiding in the walls.
Speaker 3:It's a spot. But you're in there, you know you smell it. You're not hiding that smell whatsoever. Yeah, you also have like 10 acres of desert around you yeah, you could have just buried them. Or just stuck them outside. That vultures would have got. They would have turned into jerky within a day.
Speaker 1:Well, I think it's because they don't. They probably know people are watching them.
Speaker 2:So burying them outside, they would have seen. What else are they going to insulate the house?
Speaker 1:with. I bet it was warm. I bet it kept it cool in there. When they had the AC on, we got a little warm them in there. It's like man insulation. These days they're using weird tactics People in Ziploc bags. So outside we see people clearing out a shed and it turns out it's a booby trap on a door and the outhouse explodes and kills two policemen God.
Speaker 2:I'm going to be so nervous. I was just waiting for everything to explode after this.
Speaker 3:I didn't expect it and it was just like oh, they're going to find something else bigger than that Cause. I thought it was leading up to oh you found the bodies or something. There's the hostages or we're going to find, like a, a route to like where they're like. Maybe they dug a tunnel.
Speaker 1:Yeah, or a bunch of drugs and then it just pops up, he just pops up boom. But I do love like there's a dog in this scene, like right before when they're finding the door and it's like sniffing, and there's like after the explosion. They do purposely like show the dog in the background running.
Speaker 3:Oh, that dog's like I'm the I retire, and then he goes to like there was no country for a little man, texas. And then he goes to like where's New Country Roadman, texas? Yeah, he went to go work with some other people and then he had to chase down Josh Brolin again they kind of scented cloth of Josh Brolin.
Speaker 1:Yeah, find him. So we'll eventually learn. The house is owned by Manuel Diaz. What I love about this you know we said that it looks hot but something that I love in this film is watching people come up onto the place and like the SWAT, just like. You know, you just have the first. The shot first starts where there's like nobody in frame and then you see like one SWAT guy and you're like OK, and then you see two, and then it kind of gets to the house and there's like a bunch of SWAT guys and it's like holy shit, nobody has any idea this is happening. How scary has it has to be. And back into the house with the truck is great.
Speaker 3:I mean, it's a good way to disorient you, and then you also have a opening for everyone. You don't have like a choke point.
Speaker 1:Yeah, also, I just put this in my notes about the people in the body bags. I just really want to say it who are these people. Shake a bag. Just wanted to do a Seinfeld. So after the raid we see Kate take a bath with blood running down her head. She has to breathe through the trauma she just went through.
Speaker 2:Oh, she also got a cut on her head, I guess, from the glass exploding.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it's like shouldn't they like taking care of that?
Speaker 3:Yeah, you could refuse medical attention and stuff.
Speaker 1:That's true, but she should be like. She seems like someone that would do that.
Speaker 3:I think in those type of situations I don't know how it works for raid situations because, like they always do a psych eval afterwards, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I guess it's not the same in the FBI.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Although it probably should be.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and plus it would be boring to watch on screen.
Speaker 3:Well, it just made me think of those Blade Runner scenes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, to realign or whatever it is. So, following the raid, kate's boss recommends her for a Department of Justice Special Joint Task Force, overseen by Matt Graver, great name. Department of Justice Special Joint Task Force overseen by Matt Graver, great name, and the secretive Alejandro Gillick, a Mexican ex-prosecutor turned CIA trained assassin, who we will meet later. Kate's partner, reggie, is considered to be too novice and not chosen for the task force. We learned that Kate is divorced and has no kids. Matt asked her that whenever they tell her to come in the room, which makes her a perfect candidate. Also, she only has, like I think, 18 months.
Speaker 3:Right, they said yeah, she says she never worked like she didn't she, only she was a thumper yeah, she immediately. She's like she did she work any? What do you say like files?
Speaker 1:cases yeah, yeah like no.
Speaker 3:She immediately went into like hardcore, so she skipped that. Like I would say like because she's just so good. Yeah, is that what they're saying? Like she skipped.
Speaker 1:Well she's great that's killing, that's what she well, no, that's like like just what she loved to do is to find the kidnappers being like the one that finds the kidnappers.
Speaker 2:I want to be.
Speaker 1:That's the fun part you don't be doing paperwork, but for for matt, uh, josh brolin's character. That's important to him because you know she's not like higher up, because what we'll learn is they're trying to have someone they can manipulate the whole point. Um, and that's also why they're like hey, do you have any kids? Other kids or husband and kids?
Speaker 2:yeah, it also made me feel really weird also, uh, matt graver has flip-flops on yeah, which is funny.
Speaker 1:He seems like a real.
Speaker 2:It made me immediately think that he was gonna start hitting on her all the time.
Speaker 3:I think it's still like that whole facade to like disarm. You Like, who is this guy? He's not like that serious.
Speaker 2:He's a spook.
Speaker 3:It makes you feel like you don't have to be on edge with him. You're like who?
Speaker 1:are you, and the objective of the task force is to apprehend the Sonora cartel lieutenant, manuel Diaz, currently operating and hiding in the United States. Assured, the task force will bring Diaz and those responsible for the safe house incident to justice. Kate joins even though she has no idea who most of the people she'll be working with and who they are working for. She doesn't even know if they're CIA. What do they call them?
Speaker 2:They're just saying like he's advisors yeah what do they call them?
Speaker 1:they're just saying, like he's advisors, yeah, and it's like, um, uh, kate is told that the team will be heading to el paso, where manuel's brother, guilmo, suspected to be hiding. Something I love is when, um, so there's a point where they're essentially say a lie, like they'll be heading to el paso or whatever. I love that her boss is visibly reacting to the lies, like it takes a shot of the boss who just kind of like makes a face and kind of looks down after he says something. It's like the boss knows that she's not going to know anything and it's you know, it's just like she knows that they're lying to her essentially, and the more you watch it, the more you'll pick up on that stuff.
Speaker 1:It's great. And he says that she has to volunteer to be a part of the mission.
Speaker 2:He knows that this is going to be tough for her.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Love this little scene Also. I just love Reggie and Kate sitting outside Reggie's just like because he's a lawyer. He's like we did everything by the book, right. What the fuck is going on in there? Do you know anybody?
Speaker 2:you, just you look back and they're all just like looking at you and like giggling let me look real quick.
Speaker 3:Bust through the whole house with the truck we did it.
Speaker 1:But like, somehow love, like she comes out of the first when she goes. She goes in there twice the first time she comes out. It's like. It's like what did what? What? What do they want? She's like I have no idea. I went in there, got almost zero information. I don't know if I was single. Yeah, I'm gonna date all of them, um, but yeah, I just love that. It just immediately is like we have no idea what's what's happening.
Speaker 3:I love that the movie's confusing on purpose, because you're trying to be in her perspective, like what's going on what are they doing?
Speaker 1:and something that I saw like just kind of looking up people's thoughts and stuff, people seem like super confused. Like after watching the movie I'm like they literally tell you everything yeah, it happens everything's told to you by the end of the movie.
Speaker 1:Um, then we cut to a mexican police officer sleeping and being woken up by his son and eating breakfast that his wife made. He puts whiskey in his coffee. Oh yeah, it, yeah. It seems like something that makes no sense and is pointless in the movie but ends up kind of being the heart of the movie almost.
Speaker 3:I think it's to show like he may be a cop, but like he's literally about to like go out.
Speaker 1:It's showing you that like oh, the bad guys have kids and families too, and it's important.
Speaker 2:People get into these situations just to get by.
Speaker 3:Oh, these situations just to get by, because, oh yeah, like there's so much poverty. When you watch narcos you see like there's like it's the whole thing of, oh, just get out of there. It's like sometimes you like to get out of there. You, the only thing that's available is the that situation that they're in.
Speaker 2:It's like I mean, otherwise they're gonna put your head on a turtle.
Speaker 1:Yeah, baby, we actually a couple weeks ago we watched that episode Natalie's going back and re-watching all the Breaking Bad stuff.
Speaker 2:I like the idea that there's a lot of tortoises out there just walking around with heads on them. Yeah, that's fun.
Speaker 3:All Danny Drake.
Speaker 1:We have to stop these turtles cutting people's heads off and wearing them.
Speaker 3:People's heads off and wearing them. Lloyd is looking around somewhere, Petey that's who did it.
Speaker 1:So Kate is kept under suspense about the details of the mission. As Matt, alejandro and Kate take a private plane to the army base in El Paso, texas, matt immediately goes to sleep. Alejandro quietly gets onto the plane and doesn't say much, but asks if she has ever been to a war, as before. She thinks she's going to El Paso. She immediately has no idea what's going on.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'd be pissed too if I was already on the plane. In the air it's like wait, where are we going.
Speaker 1:When he falls asleep he has a bad dream and scares Kate. Just a little bit more suspicion about who this guy is, something I want to say great overhead shots of the land.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, scary. All the ones from the drones too, are cool yeah.
Speaker 1:But I love like this first one because the score in this is amazing, by Johan Johansson, I believe, is his name. He did scores like Prisoner, some Danny Villeneuve movies, great. But because the music is so scary and there's like a part where it's passing over some mountains and it almost kind of looks like hell. Like, just like, almost like, if you're like if you're like looking at a painting of hell and it's like just because some of the mountains almost had, like they didn't look like faces but like almost like demon type looks.
Speaker 2:Your brain puts that pattern together.
Speaker 3:You always look for faces. That's what we do. It's the only thing, what we do and we're I'm gonna listen to it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I found Johnny Knoxville's face at work the other day in a paint.
Speaker 1:Yeah, jesse doesn't believe me though well, like Carol said that it looked more like a beavis or butt head in one of them. I don't really see that much. Well, in our shower there's this one like tile and it looks like there's like almost like a deer head type in it, but it's almost kind of like a zombie type deer head.
Speaker 2:I look at it every day.
Speaker 1:It's cool. But yeah, the score in this movie is amazing. I don't know. It's just dark. It just makes you feel like nothing good is going to happen.
Speaker 2:And it's true, real underbelly tones Makes you feel like nothing good is going to happen, and it's true, Real underbelly tones.
Speaker 1:So Kate asks Alejandro if there's anything she should know about the cartel. He says you're asking me how a watch works. For now just keep an eye on the time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Like tell me everything about the cartel real quick. They do drugs and they're bad.
Speaker 1:They're bad. So they arrive in El Paso, they show up mid-briefing of their mission. The team, which includes Delta Force operators, deputy US Marshals and CIA personnel, assembles in El Paso and travels to Juarez, mexico, to extradite Diaz's brother, guillermo do you like how, whenever they were introducing some of the teams, like these guys are from Texas, obviously because they have cowboy hats.
Speaker 3:And they're talking oh yeah, you're going to be awake for that buddy.
Speaker 1:And then you have Matt, it's like, yeah, love.
Speaker 2:Texas.
Speaker 1:And then so Kate suspects that both Matt and Alejandro are from the CIA. She learns that Alejandro worked for Mexico as a prosecutor. He tries not to answer anything while she's asking constant questions. He says nothing will make sense to her American ears, but in the end she'll understand everything. Then Matt comes in. Matt refuses answering any questions Kind of a theme for the beginning of this movie and says that Kate volunteered for the operation as she's only cleaning messes in Phoenix, Phoenix, and now she had a genuine chance to get at the men responsible for the mess Something I like. This he's like just stay here then if you don't want to go.
Speaker 1:Because, they can operate on foreign soil because they have the Texas Rangers. Technically she's not needed for this part. Later, they definitely need her in the final raid because they have to have somebody from and you gotta have just one girl around, yeah it's true, come on, it's got to pass the bag. Tell test um so yeah uh, great scene love uh just, I love all the actors.
Speaker 2:Is that what venicio del toro says?
Speaker 1:uh, or madeline is his name no, that's the name of the cartel.
Speaker 2:But he's like if we find him it would be like a vaccine, or is that later, that's?
Speaker 1:a little later, one of the buses, yeah. So a group of black. I don't know why I said black like that. Sorry, I said it a little too white, too southern and white there. A hard B on that one. That's going to get cut out, man. I'm glad Devin wasn't here.
Speaker 3:Why'd you emphasize so much on?
Speaker 1:that we got an Amber Alert boys.
Speaker 3:That's what I was hearing.
Speaker 1:It's not one of mine, is it? No, it's Kingston Tennessee. So if anybody out there has any knowledge about child abduction in Kingston Tennessee, so if anybody out there has any knowledge about a child abduction in Kingston, Tennessee, and they're still missing a week later.
Speaker 2:Just go to our description That'll just be out next week.
Speaker 1:In our fan mail, you can let us know if you know anything about it.
Speaker 1:So we got a group of black SUVs. They're heading out to Juarez Along with some helicopters in the sky. You get more great shots of the hard landscape when driving into Juarez. It's clear and easy to cross the border, but the traffic's terrible getting out. Because you know why would anyone want to go there? Everybody wants to get out. Thought it's a great just kind of. You didn't have to tell us, you just showed us how nobody wants to be there right now and why people are trying to get out of that area of Mexico and into America, which makes you think of real now, and why people are trying to get out of that area of Mexico and into America which makes you think of real life. But and then? But they were in Mexico right.
Speaker 1:Well, they were in El Paso then. Oh, ok, they hadn't crossed the border yet. Yeah, as they drive in, we get great oh, I love this part, dude, put it in my veins so we get great shots of the mexican police like coming in with them and it's like, it's like the cameras on the truck. Yeah, it's like bouncing along with it cops it's just like uh, if this movie was just like an aggro dude action flick, you'd be like yeah let's go, but instead you're like ball fundlers.
Speaker 1:You're still just like, oh, jesus christ, what's gonna happen on this trip? Um, but yeah, love the shots of the trucks, just like, oh, jesus Christ, what's going to happen on this trip? But yeah, love the shots of the trucks, just like coming in and like the point-of-view shots of the truck.
Speaker 2:I got really nervous whenever they stopped at the traffic jam.
Speaker 1:Oh my God it was ambush, ambush, ambush. So like, and as the convoy's kind of driving, you got residents of Juarez just like playing like paddle ball, essentially.
Speaker 2:Like none of them are reacting.
Speaker 3:This happens like all the time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think that's like a great like. It's what you get used to. Yeah, a great like thing. You may not notice like the first time you watch it, but the more you watch it it's like shit man, like nobody's reacting to this this is crazy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the border. They're always like the federalities, like the federal soldiers. They're always driving around in trucks like that.
Speaker 3:Really.
Speaker 2:Like 10 or 12 in the back. You know, just with automatic rifles. It's so scary 60 miles per hour with giant speed bumps, yeah they fly around there.
Speaker 1:So, outside of seeing some dismembered people hanging and having the route adjusted due to activity, the pickup goes smoothly. I love when they stop, though. They picked a very smart spot spot to stop, because when they stop they're in front of walls covered of missing women posters, like right outside the car yeah, um, it's like shit they're trying to tell us this is a bad place but yeah.
Speaker 1:So they pull up to, I guess, like a mexican prison or whatever, I don't know, uh, whereas the guy there and like Matt, and some of the army dudes get out to go get him. Alejandro tells Kate to keep a lookout for the state police because they're not always the good guys. But the team knows that the most probable location for an ambush is at a border crossing area. So they decide to head back home after picking up Guillermo, because that went very smoothly, pretty easy. So they decided to head back home after picking up Guillermo, because that went very smoothly, pretty easy. And then, while heading to the border, they noticed that a police vehicle is traveling beside them, a spotter vehicle. And then, while crossing the El Paso-Ores border, the convoy gets stuck in a traffic jam. While waiting for the jam to clear, the team notices suspicious vehicles getting into position around the convoy. Here's what I'm thinking If I was the cartel, I'd be like should we send people with tattoos all over the face, because they're probably going to be like those might be the bad guys.
Speaker 3:Well, like a lot of those things of like the tattoos is part of those games, especially when they were probably like lower end on there of the chain. I would say Most of them do that for like gaming tats, like MS.
Speaker 1:I would say most of them do that for like gang attacks, like the MS-13. I just feel like don't, don't put the guys with the tattoos on their face.
Speaker 3:One thing like when he's driving he's to see the police car. He says you can't trust state police and stuff and I was like, oh, what comes up later?
Speaker 1:Exactly. But yeah, I love this Cause. Like one car pulls up and it's like the guy is just sitting back like acting normal, but like we'll show in the car later that they all have their guns just like right here ready to start firing. The team knows it's about to be ambushed by low level cartel hit men and the Americans launch a preemptive attack to kill the hit men because one guy just opens the door slightly, they're all out immediately Like no, no, no, no, no. And then eventually one looks like they're about to shoot and they, like you, pretty much, execute them immediately and easily yes, I wonder if they were thinking like how did they spot us so easily?
Speaker 3:yeah, yeah, well they're. I love the way they do it because you can see they're looking at the most. It's because those people were not the ones with all the tattoos, were not like they're not trained, they're just because they're just people who get off the street, who are either dealing or they're addicted and it's a yeah, it's a loyalty thing and they're just not like put together, like trained as well as these, yeah what?
Speaker 2:and it's just, I don't know it's just I love how non-plussed all the other civilians were whenever the shooting started happening. That's why they like. This is why we want out. It's like it's right there.
Speaker 1:It's like please just let us get over there. But so like, as they just easily kill all them during the fight, kate is forced to kill a Mexican federal police officer and is left visibly disturbed by the violence because she notices out of the corner of her eye that he's like coming in and shoots at her and then she's like, ah shit, bam. So I love that, obviously, like none of the people in the hit men essentially they're. They can't see these cars because whenever it comes out I was like, oh yeah, their car is completely tinted.
Speaker 1:So, that's why they're able to put their guns up like they're just ready to fire immediately. Great little details, you know. Hell yeah, the suspense is great, yes, and you're like you're so. You want it to go down. And then when it does go down, and then it kind of like pans over to like the like. It almost looked like there's like a Mexican taxi or whatever and you just kind of see like a guy getting out to look and it's like a guy just like brain's blown out, and it's just like brain's blown out and it's just like oh, I was so excited for it to happen, but now I kind of feel really bad about it.
Speaker 3:One thing I will say, because some people could say, like, why didn't they just send a bunch more people? Yeah, the thing is, is that at least if it is from Narcos, they don't technically want to cause a bunch of people to hate them, because they do partially live on like, like you, don't if you, because if you get all the people in there, like you kill all these people, you have a revolution of people at your own place. So they tend to send smaller teams, so there's less casualties.
Speaker 1:Gotcha, that makes sense. So are you, do you guys like that? It was kind of it was a shootout, but it was kind of like a it out, but it was kind of like a it was controlled shoot. It was like a lack of a shootout almost it was.
Speaker 2:A suspenseful controlled shootout is what I really like very precision based. Yeah, they were very fun. They were so perceptive and on edge, like they knew it was gonna happen. Yeah, it was kind of cool. Well, I like that.
Speaker 3:Nobody was completely clueless, nobody was like there's the lax person and they get shot because it's like this is what happens when you don't pay attention to keep your head on a swivel type thing, everyone was ready.
Speaker 1:They're very professional and Kate's like what are we doing here? We're not allowed to do this, not in Kansas anymore. Yeah, speaking of that, kate is completely shocked. Who now knows that Matt is CIA and confronts him, she says that she is not a soldier and shouldn't be there. But Matt says she is ready and that's why they picked her. And if they don't complete their mission, then what they saw in war as will eventually creep into america and dig in, which I guess is, uh, what people really think will happen. Yeah and sure. I have no idea if it will or won't, because I don't live near there or pay attention.
Speaker 2:It's a little bit our fault too. Yeah, I mean not us specifically.
Speaker 3:We have our own drug trade we keep control of. We don't need the competition.
Speaker 2:We just keep sending them guns.
Speaker 1:Just give it up boys, just bring me that Delta A, that's all I have to say. So back in the US they have Guillermo in an interrogation room. They want him to talk, but he won't. This is the interesting part. Yeah, and he's like no habla ingles. I don't know why I even tried no habla ingles. Yeah, great job, guys, I can't do it. So they are going to send Alejandro in. Apparently they want to send him in and apparently Guillermo will know him. But first Alejandro runs into a man that seems to have some power in Mexico, doesn't really say who he is. He tells him about a secret tunnel that leads to Mexico, into America. There's also vague talk about something happening to Alejandro. We're assuming it's going to be a part of his family. But yeah, with that information he's going to go in and posture the fuck out of here. I love when he walks in. He's just like you want this.
Speaker 2:He's carrying that big jug of water. Yeah, is he going to waterboard him, or is he going to punch him, or is he going to get real close and put his penis?
Speaker 3:in his face, Like what happened At that point. It was like power moves yeah.
Speaker 1:Super awkward, yeah Well, is this? Because, like, guillermo knew him and he knew he was like look, this is your chance, right?
Speaker 2:now what I'm gonna do. Yeah, so do you think? What do you think they did to guillermo? Do you think they waterboarded him, or did they?
Speaker 3:could have splashed water on him, shocked him because you hear him screaming later.
Speaker 1:A little bit, yeah, but water conductive, I'm sure they beat the shit out of him.
Speaker 3:they're probably like let's waterboard, waterboard him. That doesn't work. He's already wet, let's shock him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but with the whole cock in his face thing, I was like maybe they raped him real hard and then did all the other stuff, because it shows. The drain Is this Pulp Fiction in here, I don't know what they do.
Speaker 3:Usually waterboarding works.
Speaker 1:Well, seeing his tactics with Jon Bernthal a little later, it probably just gave him a hell of a wet willy.
Speaker 2:Yes, ew, ew.
Speaker 1:But so he learns that the cartel uses a tunnel near Nogales, sonora, to smuggle drugs. In my notes I just put fucking posturing the shit out of the guy.
Speaker 2:Which I already said, but I just wanted to say it one more time You're going to confuse yourself with your notes.
Speaker 1:No, I just really wanted to say that again.
Speaker 3:I thought it was very funny when I heard it. I remember when I first watched it I was like he's just like. It made me think he's going to do something sexual to him.
Speaker 2:But he's just, I think he's just like.
Speaker 3:I have the power here. Yeah, definitely, definitely.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that night Kate is taken to the roof of the village and is shown what their actions have caused.
Speaker 2:Do you want to see fireworks?
Speaker 1:Yeah, which is essentially what they said they wanted to do.
Speaker 2:They just wanted to cause chaos. That's what Matt said that they wanted to do so later.
Speaker 1:Reggie continues to keep a tab on Kate and meets her when she returns the Phoenix. They're all going to Tucson, arizona.
Speaker 2:Hell yeah I pronounce the C Tucson.
Speaker 1:It is Tucson.
Speaker 2:It's Tucson.
Speaker 1:You guys know I can't talk. Can we not make it harder here? So they arrive and it seems like they are there to question illegal immigrants about the cartel. They need information that could help them find the tunnels. You got a good shot of the Mexican people looking miserable and staring at Kate, and this is effective because Kate just saw the gun show, probably, and where some of these people probably came from, and knows that what they are about to be like forced back into, which is, you know, supposed to be kind of really like. You know, we're just you're supposed to be look like we want to stop these people, but oh shit, they're like we just cause more chaos to where they're going to go and it's going to be even worse for them and it's like Everything sucks.
Speaker 3:Everything sucks. It's the opposite of a Lego song Everything sucks.
Speaker 1:So Reggie and Kate begin to question the task force's illegal and seemingly inexplicable methods. Reggie asked Kate to get questions, but she said that she's tried and so now he should try. She's like well, it's like you can try and do better if you can. He's like Matt, can we talk over here? Daniel Kluge crushes, crushes in the scene. He's like y'all got to stop. There's like what does he say? There's like there's leaving us in the dark, and then there's what y'all are doing to us. Yeah, so, kate, at first, reggie's like I'm going to walk if you don't tell us, and Matt's like we don't want you here.
Speaker 2:You're here because of her.
Speaker 1:And then Kate's like oh well, I'll walk too. So then Matt has to tell the truth or she'll walk. Finally, matt reveals the objective is to not apprehend Diaz, as originally suggested, but to disrupt his drug operations to such a degree that Diaz will be summoned back to Mexico by his boss, elusive Sonora cartel drug lord Fausto Alcaron Yep.
Speaker 3:Did I say it fast enough to where it maybe sounds like I got it right?
Speaker 1:You know how to do the vrrr right, the trill.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you roll.
Speaker 1:They didn't really do it in the movie.
Speaker 3:They do it very well.
Speaker 1:How would I know? Because I can't remember, because my brain just fucking shuts off as soon as I finish watching the movie. Apparently.
Speaker 3:I wish I had that, then I could watch movies all the time.
Speaker 1:By following Diaz, they will bring Alcaron to justice. Alejandro says that Alcaron is responsible for countless deaths in Mexico and finding him would be like discovering a vaccine. And they're like after they have the discussion, they're like all right, why don't y'all just go home and go to?
Speaker 2:bed RF. They have the discussion.
Speaker 1:They're like, um, all right, why don't y'all just go home and like go to bed? Rfk's like don't find him, don't find him. I just love like Reggie, though it's like I just drove a hundred fucking miles for nothing, essentially, and it's like, as they're walking around, he's like who the fuck's?
Speaker 3:Guillermo, I love that him in Nope and then remembering Get Out and then seeing him in this, I'm like he's just a good actor maybe like have more of appreciation for him after like seeing him. So that's all I've seen him in is those movies.
Speaker 1:Get Out and Nope, yeah, and then seeing him in something else. I was like, I like him yeah, you should go back and rewatch, get Out his performance in that. Make like a sad face, like nobody else I love his friend. I came to pick him up oh yeah, I'm in the motherfucking tsa. What's his name? Is that little rel? I believe that's a little rel in that movie. Yeah, he's so funny. Oh, maybe I should watch that.
Speaker 3:I say that and I won't, so I don't know why I do that when you say it, I'm like I want to watch it, and then I'm like maybe I'll suggest it in a little bit yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, I do want to do that. I do want to start getting into either Nope or Get Out soon, even Us, but that'll probably be the last one I do.
Speaker 3:Yeah, us was, I would say, on the weekend I'd have to do so much research. Yeah, that one I feel like could kind of be not like that. I would want to do ones that I like, which is Get Out like the point of movies.
Speaker 1:before I get into the podcast was us like the duplicate people.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so it was, from what I briefly remember it was supposed to be, I think a thing about, uh, native americans and how like there are shadow or something like kind of like that or like what we've done and to hide them away in this other world is a whole thing and I don't remember reading that when we first watched it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I remember reading like you remember there was like the world connecting thing and that was yeah, I don't know if I've seen us. We'll get into that whenever we do it, hopefully, but anyway.
Speaker 3:To see.
Speaker 1:Kate at home, distressed and looking up the violence in Juarez.
Speaker 3:Juarez.
Speaker 1:Y'all are Ben Juarez. I need a quesadilla from you, Dude seriously, it's crazy how I know people that say it like that.
Speaker 3:Oh no, I was in Taco Bell one time and I always thought it was a joke. And I heard him yeah, can I get a quesadilla?
Speaker 1:It's like that's not how you say that. So we at a quesadilla and I looked like it's like that's not how you say that. So we get another scene in Mexico where the kid is asking about his father, but his father is at work and he's asking when he'll get home. Who knows when he could, because he works for the cartel.
Speaker 2:He's also a cop. Yeah, yeah, probably works. Nice seeing uh.
Speaker 3:I don't know what it is, but every time he says it he hands him that one plate. Later on he's like here's your eggs, dad, jalapenos in there. He's like, of course, I'm like yeah, yeah, and then I think about their legit jalapenos.
Speaker 1:God, that's a hell of a breakfast. Yeah, I got that in my notes. I got that in my notes.
Speaker 3:I'm like God, dang the acid reflux I'd be having after coffee coffee beans, rice, eggs, jalapenos like legit, like not pickled jalapenos, I would assume they're just fresh, yes, and it's hot I love mexican breakfast, fucking chili quiles.
Speaker 1:Oh, love it my tummy would probably hurt. No, if I didn't have the coffee I'd probably been all right, but like, adding the coffee on it, I'm like. And then if?
Speaker 2:that's what the whiskey's for even worse, bro.
Speaker 1:I just be like I'm done for the day, yeah.
Speaker 3:I was like, if you're giving me this, we're staying home.
Speaker 1:Diarrhea. But if that's what you eat all the time, probably get used to it. So Reggie and Kate are getting ready. The next day he brings up that she needs a new bra. We learned that Kate is alone and Reggie wants her to date and she doesn't have time for it. Reggie says he needs to be with her because he doesn't trust Matt and he needs somebody to have her back.
Speaker 3:I like how he's just freaking out for her.
Speaker 1:Yeah, hell, yeah. Great friendship, good partner. Yeah, makes the movie even better. So they go to their headquarters, which is set up in a motel. Matt asks what's the password? She says moron word she says and like and you know there's a part of matt where it's like hell, yeah, she's fun, yeah, um, some of the immigrants are giving them the location of the tunnel and I put my notes.
Speaker 3:I wonder if they give the immigrants citizenship for helping oh hell no, um, they can say they're gonna help them or they could just offer them money. Now the thing is because I'm just comparing stuff to like what I watch with Narcos, because this is pretty much like the whole like drug thing you're watching right now is all of Narcos yeah, they will offer them money. They can say they'll offer them, like, safe passage into the states and a chance at citizenship. But if they follow through on it, yeah, or like because you think when you sell someone out like that, they usually can find a trail of figuring out who did it. Oh hell, yeah, um, but it it just is like oh well, they either offer help us get out or they just give us enough money that it's okay they don't put them into like witness protection or anything no, nothing like usually like that for like some info like that, because if they did that they would have so many like the witness protection program from just that area alone would be so massive.
Speaker 3:It's just what they say, that we don't know what they promised them, because in that scene I was sitting here thinking like what did they offer them? They had to offer them something. It's got to be a lot of money, because a lot of money can help. It's like this money can help you. Uh, you just have to get out before they track you back yeah or they don't follow through with it, or they just threaten them themselves.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, another part of the scene I liked is whenever they kind of point at where the tunnel's gonna be and like all the uh immigrants are like no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1:That's what they wanted, and then matt, like smiles so huge, smiles so huge. He's like we got it, Got him. And then he like it's just something about the way that anytime that he smiles, it's like God dang dude. I'm so in the bag for Josh Brolin right now. But also, this is where we learn this like oh, it's time to disrupt Diaz's cash flow cash flow, so the team are going to raid a bank used by his money launderers. Kate and Reggie want to, so they go in. This is where it's kind of like a process a little bit right. You have all the CCTV footage and stuff and tracking, and then it like transitions into them watching in their control room. Love that shit, dude. I love when they do that.
Speaker 3:And then we see that we have a girl with blonde hair, white bag, the color Smurf well, it's cause she's like the most unassuming person you don't think to look at, and because the Smurf, he's got like a white overalls on blonde hair.
Speaker 1:That's what Smurfette, smurfette, yeah, that's what the one chick in the Sm works.
Speaker 3:I love their little quote of, like you know, the Heimlich. I was like huh, she tries to eat that receipt, you get it out of her.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's good.
Speaker 1:It'd just be soggy. Yeah, she took out a bunch of money and put it in a bag, so they go out and they get her, they get the receipt. Kate and Reggie are super happy. Kate wants to go in and build a case over this because she thinks they're doing everything by the book.
Speaker 3:Um, yeah, so kate goes in matt's like dude, don't go in, that's dumb and like in that scene I wonder if some people were sitting here thinking like why, yeah, why not go in? But I'm like because I wonder if there's people who, because immediately we all knew like, don't go in, you're gonna be seen.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I wonder it did take it did take me a second. Like when she first in, it's really when she goes in they figure out that like the, it was like $17 million or whatever. And it was when the bank guy looks at Kate, weird and I'm like I bet they're all in his pocket.
Speaker 3:That's the thing, this bank knows what's going on.
Speaker 1:That guy's going to like tell their boss everything about that probably.
Speaker 3:Or they know that, or there's also cameras, cameras, yeah uh I don't know, I just I loved it.
Speaker 1:I just couldn't tell if he was gonna gonna be the one like being like hey, it's this bitch, or if it, I don't know why I said that eyes, and ears everywhere, or if it's just like one of those things where it's like why did you come in here, dude?
Speaker 3:you shouldn't have came in, just felt so like don't she, she's going in, yeah.
Speaker 1:Ends up working out for Matt, though, but yeah, so they go back in, they talk to Matt and it's like there's like you got to let it go. This isn't what we're doing. This money, like this, isn't going to do anything, like it's all going to get thrown out, like somehow they're going to get away from it all or whatever, like Diaz is going to be let go or whatever, and they're not going to catch the real people that are behind the whole cartel and they're super frustrated. Important thing to realize the tie-dye bands that they have. Oh yeah, and they fell out of the bag full of monies. Yeah, that's something that will come up very soon. So, and then we finally get to meet Manuel, who is learning about his money situation.
Speaker 1:We also see his kids playing in a pool, because everybody has kids and it's like a whole thing about this movie, it's like a big family, yeah, so Kate and Reggie go to their boss to try and get him to make a case with the money, but they won't do anything. He says like look, we've been knocking down doors and we've been like getting money from these people. Do you feel it on the streets? Doors, and we've been like getting money from these people. Do you feel it on the streets? And they're all like no. And he says the decision is coming from people who are elected to office and that if she feels yeah, and if she feels that she is acting out of bounds, he assures her she is not.
Speaker 3:I do love her like I don't know. I think it's because after also watching fall guy and just her chemistry with uh gling in that she's a good actress, like I, really like. She became someone who came in my mind Like I really like Emily Blunt. She's almost at that. She's pretty much almost at that stage. If I see Emily Blunt's going to be in a movie, it's like I could probably enjoy the movie. Like certain actors are attached to stuff, you will watch it. Like if Defoe's attached to something, I want to watch the movie. Certain people like that and she's become one of those actresses and I'm like man.
Speaker 3:I've been sleeping on blunt this whole time.
Speaker 1:None Shit, bro. Do more than sleep on one.
Speaker 3:I'm not the one who likes blondes here, Jesse.
Speaker 1:I was making a weed joke. I was like he's making fun of me, sorry, I got PTSD from Devin. Oh great.
Speaker 3:Black's gonna yell at me now.
Speaker 1:Now, it's true, natalie. So um, reggie and Kate decide to go drinking Hell, yeah, but we also see Alejandro spying on them. Why Is he doing that? Is he good?
Speaker 3:Is he bad?
Speaker 2:Who are these people?
Speaker 1:So, while having fun at a bar, reggie introduces Kate to Ted. Oh, john Bernthal.
Speaker 3:I wasn't expecting him when I was watching.
Speaker 1:Oh, first thing in theaters I was like oh, jesus Christ, bernthal just walked into the bar and conspicuously this is not going to go.
Speaker 2:well, I like their Dastlord, just go what we learned?
Speaker 1:that he's a friend and a Phoenix police officer.
Speaker 3:I do like because, like you, it made me think when I see him, immediately thought something's going to happen. But when Blunt's like oh, I remember you heard saying that she knows him, it kind of establishes that I feel like it breaks your guard down a little bit. It's not the typical, like when you don't know someone, you're like suspicious or kind of knowing him.
Speaker 1:Yeah and the fact that it's like Reggie's friend yeah, it really breaks down that that wall, because the most so like, let's say, we're watching this is a film from the perspective of Kate, and her closest person is Reggie. So we all trust Reggie, and if so, if Reggie trusts somebody, well, god dang, we got to trust him. But it had to be John Bernthal.
Speaker 2:My wife said made a good point about this the scene when they're they go, they get up to go dancing. Is that you know? Whenever a girl in a movie because in the beginning he's like you collect shit, yeah, and then she literally lets her hair down, yeah, and ashley goes, yeah, you know, in movies whenever a girl takes off her glasses or lets her hair down, they get pretty yeah and plus you know, it's just like.
Speaker 1:Finally, she's like not loosening up a little, she's like not stressed out, because you know, and plus she's making out, it probably also sucks to have your hair up all the time.
Speaker 3:Yeah Well, I can see it like that's what.
Speaker 1:that's what Natalie says. Three dudes talking about women, let's go. But yeah, so they're dancing, they're drinking, and then all of a sudden they start kissing. Oh yeah, it's fun and you think everything's happy for one, god dang second. But this is not a happy movie Because Kate and Ted go to her apartment, but as they start to fug Kate realizes. Ted is with a cartel because of those damn bands. He's got the.
Speaker 2:WWJD bracelet.
Speaker 1:Shit, what have I?
Speaker 3:done. Oh no, she should just be like best way to keep him distracted is if we fuck, I keep going. Yeah, she definitely does not handle this. The best she should just be like ah, best way to keep him distracted is if we fuck, I keep going what, what?
Speaker 1:yeah, she definitely does not handle this the best yeah, I don't think she cause it's a shock and I understand her. She should have just been like oh wait, hold on, I need a drink of water or something. Go to the kitchen where her gun is. Get the gun. Be like surprise motherfucker.
Speaker 2:It's the theme of the movie. Just work it into role play.
Speaker 1:Sick Ooh by the way, I'm kind of kinky Put on these handcuffs and let me get my gun and point it at you. Hell yeah, Also, let's just take it even further. Let's go to the police station.
Speaker 3:Try and get him to the bedroom so that way he wouldn't have noticed. Yeah, and then she could have been like. Then she could.
Speaker 1:I could see that handcuff thing working. But dude was also like ready, she just needed to. She was his target, she needed to get to the gun.
Speaker 3:But also think about this like dang dude, you could, you had to, you were gonna fuck her and then kill her.
Speaker 2:You had to enter your pockets.
Speaker 3:All of them. Here's the thing.
Speaker 1:I do want to say I don't think he was gonna kill her. I don't think he was there to get information so he could relay it back to the cartel. It's until she gets the gun to like shoot him. So when she he's like well, I got to kill her. That was a real choke point, because now he knows, because he's saying if I kill her and I get out of here, I'll be all right.
Speaker 3:That whole scene, like when he sees her mood change and he looks at the bracelet and he makes a connection. He knows he's been caught, yeah. But in the scene he's like, hey, kate, kate, calm down, the way he is able to portray it wasn't until, like, because it happened so fast. He's like, hey, hey, he's like holding on to her, he doesn't get aggressive, he's just like until she hits him.
Speaker 2:Yeah and he's like whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 3:But he's also a person like he was like she's nuts right now. I need to try and calm her down. He's trying to hold her, then she reaches for the gun. It wasn't until like he's on the ground and like wrestling. I was like you need to stop. Stop the way he's portraying. I still felt that moment. It's like maybe she's just being over paranoid. Maybe this scene's leading to that. What this can do to you and cause you to have over paranoia it wasn't until I started to choke.
Speaker 3:I was like, okay, he's straight there. Yeah, that ahead of like. Well, he punched her or she punched him, and then she tried to shoot him. And I was like, yeah, of course he's gonna be like trying to fight her. Like holy shit, like he's a cop, he's gonna try and restrain the person he chokes her out, just like he does all of the perps.
Speaker 1:I mean all the women he meets at bars it's your fault, yeah, but yeah, then when he starts strangling her, you can kind of see, like you know he's so upset, he's like stop, stop yeah, and it's just you know, and I do understand why she is. I mean, she obviously has some sort of ptsd from everything that she's kind of dealing with and she's like shit.
Speaker 1:I'm in over my head at everything I'm doing and it's like she she's literally lost right now. And then this is like she's like she's like shit. What now? And then this is like she's like she's like shit. What the fuck is going on? Let me shoot him she didn't even hesitate.
Speaker 3:She knew survival this scene. So good though he does such a because, like his whole like when he said there's stop choking her, and you could see on him that he doesn't want to do this and he's like I have to, and I was like man. That's another thing. Pernthal's a great actor as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and there's a stacked movie with good actors oh yeah, but yeah and and then, as she's getting strangled kind of reminds me of no Country for Old Men. When the guy's getting choked out, it's great close up shots of like everybody's face sound effects of when she's getting drugged. Yeah, and then alejandro suddenly appears and subdues him, subdues him, seduces him um, and it's uh, fucking intense and great and kind of sad at the same time. He's gonna kill him I just now.
Speaker 3:He knows better. It's just like messy.
Speaker 1:I really just wanted kate to have a good night, you know it's not possible that's what fucking sucks I was like dude. She finally trusted and was like oh you know what, maybe I can like be with a guy or something. And he ruined it.
Speaker 3:Well, her friend kept talking about like you need to, like you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Get out there and get you some.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then Alejandro and Matt revealed that they used her as bait, knowing the cartel would try to assassinate her or, I guess, essentially just come after her. Really, but the way they do that because it's like, because she was seen at the bank.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but he told her not to go.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And Brolin was like well, you did it, Now we can use you.
Speaker 1:And it's like you kind of used yourself as bait yeah, that's how you're supposed to be able to trust me and I almost got you killed yeah um, it's a shitty feeling. Yeah, I love it. I feel that all the time I almost get it.
Speaker 2:So many people killed whenever like somebody you think you know like fucking double crosses you. Yeah, yeah, sucks butt.
Speaker 1:Look at me, yeah, dakota.
Speaker 3:He said sucks butt. And this looks right at me like I did it. You just suck butt.
Speaker 1:I was just making eye contact with our thoughtful conversations we're having.
Speaker 3:I directed me, you're not.
Speaker 1:I'm watching your six baby.
Speaker 3:You can be watching this six. The disappointment in this way is like I'm gonna have bad at this so Alejandro and Matt torture Ted one thing.
Speaker 3:It was like in that scene, cause we were talking about Del Toro coming up and just like flaunting his dick in his face and I was rewatching it last night and I was like he gets in that car, which I also love. The quote by Brolin's like the best thing is is about you already being beaten to a bloody pulp. Your scratches ain't gonna be any different. Yeah, del Toro gets in there. I swear he's like got his balls in his hand. He's like cause. I was like wait, where's his hand?
Speaker 1:It's not on him. I thought he was putting his elbow into his sternum.
Speaker 3:Oh, he could have been doing that too, but I thought, like be honest, like I was just washing this again to refresh it I was also trying to be red at the time so I wasn't fully in the scene, but I kept looking over and it looked like he was like putting pressure on his crotch yeah, it was probably something painful probably sure elbow on the sternum would suck, but
Speaker 2:he just got the finger in the ear would suck too. That is painful, yeah god. And how did he get it so far down?
Speaker 3:that's the thing, is that we stop because we know but if you're doing it to mess with someone you can get hurt so bad.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and so like they're torturing him just to reveal the names of other officers working for DS, they threaten his family. Essentially, they say we can put them under witness protection or we can post their names all over the Internet. Oh shit, hey. Guess what Turns out these guys might not be the good guys.
Speaker 3:That's exactly what they do.
Speaker 1:And they say he can go to a like work camp or essentially like a prison where he'll die. So he's fucked and we already talked about some of the torture methods. We did not pull bring up the pulling of the eyebrows, oh yeah. We very uh types of torture I didn't think people were doing. Usually you know you think of water torture, the electrocution stuff pulling out like fingernails or cutting off fingers. You never think.
Speaker 3:Damn like schoolyard stuff you know, I don't know I'm trying to think of, like he had cuts on his faces, his faces, his face, and like pulling it could have agitated it. It could just all be a quick thing to keep you disoriented Ripping your eyebrows.
Speaker 1:That has to suck.
Speaker 2:I mean, if you ever plucked your own eyebrows, it kind of makes your eyes water a little bit. It hurts, natalie, always wants to pluck.
Speaker 1:Sometimes I'll have stray eyebrows and she'll be like let me pluck it.
Speaker 3:I'm like I'll sit there, you're my hairy boy. So Alejandro checks in on Kate.
Speaker 1:He says that she reminds him of someone very special and he's like sweet to her. From this point on until the end of the tunnel, we get more shots of the landscapes and a drone finding the location of the tunnel, right where the car is blocking the tunnel, like the people said. So we cut back to the policeman in Mexico having his kid bring him breakfast in bed Rice, beans, jalapenos, coffee, a little heartburn that's what I wrote in my notes.
Speaker 3:I want to know. It's just like. Is it just like you guys are that good, you don't have acid reflux or is it just like a booming business of Tums there?
Speaker 1:I don't know. I would just assume you know that's like the food of the people. That's probably what they're used to. I feel like eventually it catches up to you. But if it, doesn't.
Speaker 3:I'm like dang, it really shows you. Just eating it constantly, you get used to it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, counter drug, it's called bino, it's really just a supplement.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know, in this house, yeah, that's you, gotta take it with you oh yeah, anytime like, uh, my girlfriend's talking about traveling, I always you always see like you don't want to drink the water there because it's different yeah, don't get popsicles uh, anything like that. It's like based off their water supply because it's not treated the same and it could really. That's why you see people who go.
Speaker 2:They're like, oh, my stomach hurts yes, it's full of amoebas that make you sick. There's one specific amoeba, that's everywhere. Shit, not me.
Speaker 1:Bro, I got amoebas all through me right now.
Speaker 3:I just got like a flash of osmosis, joan, in your head.
Speaker 1:Going around Hell. Yeah, so they're back at the headquarters, they assume, as in the motel, they soon learn that Diaz is being recalled to Mexico, as they hoped. Kate questions the good news, pointing out that they have no jurisdiction in Mexico. This is where Matt states that she and Reggie were simply being used as working with US law officers, grants the CIA legal permission to continue. And this is where I was talking about earlier, where Matt has been pretty chill and all smiles as soon as he's like reveals that information it's like he's.
Speaker 1:the facade's gone, it's like hey, I got my army dudes here, you can leave, I guess.
Speaker 2:but you're not.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're essentially said you were going to go to the tunnel and you guys are just going to sit back. We don't need you at that point. And also they something that they didn't understand or hear was this this is like a, like a, a go and drop. It's like a drop off mission. And that's because it's Alejandro kind of just says it quick and like I noticed that Reggie and Kate didn't like seem to notice that they're trying to absorb everything.
Speaker 1:I think they were just already like kind of looking at each other confused before they even said it and they're like what the fuck is going?
Speaker 2:on here.
Speaker 1:I love it, though I love this scene.
Speaker 3:You feel confused with them.
Speaker 1:Oh no, just like the scenes in these rooms where they're, just like you, just watching Reggie and Cage. It's like no, what is happening? Why are we doing? What are we doing again?
Speaker 3:No dull scene in this movie Like you can sit here and think we can take this out. Every scene feels like it's kind of important.
Speaker 1:Hell yeah, Like when you have that.
Speaker 3:It's only three action scenes, I know, but it's like everything else with the tension between them because when I watched the first time, you know you're pacing, you're in it with yeah, because I already knew and at this point you still got 40 minutes to go and it doesn't feel like it, mainly because it kind of goes harder 15 or 20 minutes of like credits. I had to turn it off right after she comes out of the tunnel, because I need to go to bed yeah and I was like well, I remember exactly how it ends, because that ending seemed a lot.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's great it's a very fun ending.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So, angered, reggie advises that he and Kate leave the task force. But of course Kate's not going to want to, and this is why Matt picked her, because she knew she wouldn't want to leave because she's seen too much. She's a thumper, yeah, but she insists on joining a task force raid on the tunnel to learn more about the operation's true nature. Time for the mission. Cut to the Mexican police officer, whose name's Silvio, getting his car loaded with drugs. Now we know what he does he was unloading them.
Speaker 1:No, this one he's loading up and he's going to take it to the tunnel. Oh, okay, and we see Manuel getting back into Mexico. The task force gets close to the tunnels. The task force team are now super rude to Kate and Reggie Facade's gone. They're like fuck you guys. We were just being nice to you.
Speaker 3:Yeah Well, it's also like when you get that team and you're working with them, they are not technically a part of the team Like you're. It's like you need to stay behind, out of our way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like they're kind of like we're the fine, well, they need them for later. They just they need to make sure they don't die so that they can sign off on paperwork, essentially. Um, yeah, but everything's changed now, like they're essentially they're just trash to everybody at this point, um, and now they continue on foot.
Speaker 1:I love this shot so much Because they just get out and it's like dusk right and the sun's almost completely down and you can see them walking. You can't see their lower halves, but you can see their top halves because you got a little bit of light and you just see them walking and it's a static shot and they're all disappearing. Yeah, to the darkness, bro. It's like let's go. It's so good. It's like walking into the ocean and disappearing. Essentially, it's just like they're ghosts, like walking into the mall it's like.
Speaker 1:The difference between the SWAT team earlier is pure daylight. You know they could be seen from other houses. They just drive the truck into the tunnel boom.
Speaker 2:But this is like a military, you know they could be seen from other houses.
Speaker 1:They just drive the truck into the tunnel, boom. But this is like a military force here. They're like all at night. It's stealth, it's so fun. Just this one shot just tells you everything.
Speaker 3:It's kind of like about these people. Zero Dark Thirty yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a fun movie. Fun and man, the beginning of the 9-11 stuff, oh so sad it's like you just hear a bunch of like the phone calls and stuff when they're like in the building as the towers are going down. It's kind of the setup to like this is why they did all this yeah, do you like that movie? You see it on 30. I don't think I've seen it. It's good.
Speaker 2:Was the little kid in Indiana Jones. He's like the plane. The plane Was he. Was he there on the phone?
Speaker 3:No On 9-11. Huh.
Speaker 1:Damn it, Jason. Don't you remember when I brought up 9-11 and Toy Story? It completely derails the podcast.
Speaker 2:I could see that.
Speaker 3:I just thought of like Buzz Lightyear flying into the towers now because I don't think I listened to that episode.
Speaker 2:All right, I'll get you, emperor, zerg infinity hit me on.
Speaker 1:God damn, all right, let's golly, we gotta stop bringing it up in movies. Um so, anyways, best damn shot of the movie. Love it just. Ah, just, it's magic, it's movie magic, right? If you don't like that shot, get out, maybe miss the the scenery and the weather down there yeah, hot well
Speaker 3:it's just, it's a dry heat, very dry it is I noticed like when I went it was like a 101 or something and I was standing outside. But I will say, like their 100 degree weather is kind of like our 90 degree, but add the soup air to it and it's so much worse because it was hot.
Speaker 3:I was standing outside and they were like hey, you look like you're getting red. So I was standing there and I was like, well, I'm hot, but I'm not like breathing in that thick air, so it wasn't as bad Shit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you are hot boy.
Speaker 2:Thicker than a snooker.
Speaker 1:Hot boy summer. Um well damn, all right, let's get back into it Now that we've covered 9-11. Yeah, so they go into the tunnels and they're not vision. It's fantastic I love when, like military movies start doing night vision. Yeah, night ops. It just brings like a realism to it, I guess, or whatever. Kate and Reggie are in the back hearing the commotion, not really seeing much.
Speaker 2:We see like a guy, like walking in with a knife, the one dude with the knife. Yeah man, that's so cool, that's killer Stabbing dudes firefight.
Speaker 1:She sees Alejandro go a different direction than the rest of the team and decides to follow. They should have had them in the middle of the group, not the back of the group, but the tunnels were like super confusing. I feel like it's super easy to lose everybody. Oh yeah, because as they're running around, I was like where's?
Speaker 3:everybody going. Yeah, I was very confused and you could see that with her.
Speaker 1:These guys knew exactly where they were going. Yeah, they had it all planned out. They just didn't care if Reggie or Kate knew anything. They just had one military guy with them being like all right, you got to watch these guys, all right. So at the Mexican end of the tunnel, kate sees Alejandro kidnapping one of Diaz's drug mules, silvio, and like, because, like Silvio and like this other guy, they're just like trying to throw the drugs out. So he's like I gotta get out of here. I gotta get out of here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they're just hearing all the gunfire and the other guy like starts pointing a gun at him.
Speaker 1:He's like yo what? And then Alejandro shoots him, and then he's like gonna take Silvio Also before we get into it.
Speaker 2:Speaking of work, the boxes in the background isn't?
Speaker 1:that weird they're stacked exactly like them. I'm like, ooh, I wonder if they're the same boxes. So Kate attempts to arrest Alejandro for his illegal act, but he shoots her in her bulletproof vest, angrily telling her to never point a gun at him again before driving away with Silvio.
Speaker 3:I was like oh crazy dang and like it wasn't like a delay, he literally immediately saw her pop.
Speaker 2:I was like oh, all, right then.
Speaker 1:This shows you how good of a like a sassanese is. He shot her twice, probably in the two different plates that she has in her swat gear.
Speaker 3:It's like two shots would be enough to take you down where I can leave.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and also saying something cool before, before he leaves.
Speaker 3:I just loved it. Yeah, now catch your breath and get back out there.
Speaker 2:That's so good.
Speaker 1:She gets choked out a lot with like bullets and we've seen him good at torture and as far as we knew, that's all he was good at. And then this show is like you shouldn't mess with this guy in any sort of way.
Speaker 2:He's so talented.
Speaker 1:He's such a dreamy, talented guy. Talented guy. And then realizing that Alejandro is operating illegally with the task force support and that there was never any intention of bringing Alcar, alacron and Diaz to justice through legal channels, kate confronts Matt and just punches him in the face.
Speaker 3:I love that. Also, when they came out of the tunnel, she's like wait, where's Kate? He's like where's Kate? Yeah, like we left one behind. Let's go back, guys.
Speaker 1:Well because, like before that, they were even like saying like, oh, too bad, we had to babysit these bitches. It's like it seemed like they did a good job. I don't know like, did you really have to?
Speaker 3:babysit them. They have to worry about that person's life in your hands yeah um, when she comes up, it's like because you can hear and it's punches, she's got that adrenaline, she's ready to go, yeah, and she punches matt, matt, like takes her down easily, and then reggie's trying to fight back.
Speaker 1:But then like the army guys like get on, and it's like lay down, let it happen. It's like, oh, fuck you guys yeah, no one does that.
Speaker 3:I love when he pins her down. She's like you. You need to calm down. Let that adrenaline come down.
Speaker 1:Let the anger come out, so we can talk yeah, and then Matt explains they are attempting to return to a time when a single cartel Medellin ran the drug trade. Medellin ran the drug trade Colombian cartel. This monopoly gave US more control. Monopoly gave US more control. Alejandro, who worked for Medellin, was brought on to topple the Sonora cartel by assassinating Alarcon Alarcon Alarcon.
Speaker 3:Alarcon.
Speaker 1:Sure, people are like, just like, please, just like, running off the road, just be like in this, in this, thus reducing cartel competition. In this, in this, thus reducing cartel competition. Alejandro's own motive is revenge, because the drug lord cartel boss had ordered the murder of Alejandro's wife and daughter by cutting off wife's head and putting the daughter into a barrel of acid in front of him, tied to a chair, as we'll learn. Kate says she will talk, but Matt says that would be a major mistake. I love it when she gets up. I won't, I'll talk.
Speaker 2:It's like she just fucking crushed it Whenever they talk about him putting his daughter in acid. Did anyone else think of the bad guy from who Framed Roger Rabbit?
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, just to me. I was like, ah, this guy's got some little bit of issues he might want to do.
Speaker 1:I thought of, um, like I think it's season one of breaking bad, where, uh, they have to like put that guy in the vat of acid. It's like it's got to be a specific type of uh container, and that's what I think about when I think of acid.
Speaker 3:It was funny because when I first saw that scene in breaking bad, I was like you can't do acid in the uh bathtub and I was like for for one, it's going to ruin your pipes. And it never occurred to me. And he's like it's a special. When he said this thing doesn't break down, I was like oh yeah. And then he fell through.
Speaker 1:I was like oh yeah, acid, yeah. Great scene though it's the whole, it sums up the entire movie, essentially everything that's been going on. That's been going on, um, and it's just like you just want to be like shit, dude, not us, not america, right?
Speaker 2:he reminds me of denzel washington from that other movie, just like killing everyone. Oh, alejandro, yeah, man on fire.
Speaker 1:Yeah, man on fire. You haven't seen it. You should watch it. It's a long movie but it like it goes. It's a fun movie. It's a. It takes place in mexico city. Oh no, it's got. What's her face? Dakota fanning? Yeah right, yeah, you should watch it.
Speaker 3:It's really good well, the last denzel washington movie I watched because all my co-workers really love the equalizer films, and I watched the second one.
Speaker 1:I'm like should watch the first one. Yeah, is it anything? It wasn't I heard that one's fun it's fun, it's like it's two and a half hours long yeah, it's just a lot of.
Speaker 3:You don't get a lot of his cool like stuff like the it's Home Alone and Home Depot right yeah, that's what made
Speaker 1:it's one of those fun ones. It's like to me.
Speaker 3:It made me think like Budget John Wick type of thing.
Speaker 1:I remember there was a guy at work and he was bald and we worked at Home Depot and so he just it's like I'm Denzel Washington for all.
Speaker 3:I was like it was good. The second one, though, it does not flow as well.
Speaker 1:Those are like some, some movies that people are like yeah, we know they're not great, but we love them.
Speaker 3:I think it's because Denzel makes it yeah.
Speaker 1:Denzel is the best ever. He's awesome. Yeah, so yeah, that's the plot of the movie. They just want the Colombian cartel to be a part of it. So in Mexico, alejandro forces Silvio to drive him to Diaz.
Speaker 2:He sadly kills Silvio and forces Diaz to continue to the drug lord he's really funny when he got out of the car and he's like do you know who I am? I'm Jeff yeah.
Speaker 3:I'm Jefe.
Speaker 2:I guess that means boss.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And then he gets out, shoots him in the leg and he's like no, take me to your jefe.
Speaker 3:I love that he took him out no hesitation, shot him so he could get back. It was just a good scene of that setup. He's like either you tell him to get out or I'll kill you. Yeah, given that hope of like, he's not like. Okay, if I at least do this, maybe I can get back. Yeah.
Speaker 1:It's just like. What I just think about, though, is Sylvia's son. Just like fuck dude.
Speaker 2:Yeah, sucks.
Speaker 1:It's like now that wife's gotta like just take care of a single, like just be a single parent.
Speaker 3:And it's like what's her job?
Speaker 1:It's almost kind of like a war zone they lived in poverty, probably, and now like, what's she gonna do? Sucks, why Drugs is this is, drugs are bad. Why did it have to happen? But yeah, all this was happening at like a traffic stop. Essentially, that's great. So they're reaching the estate. Alejandro kills Diaz, all the guards, diaz, he used Diaz, he cuts his throat and makes him continue driving.
Speaker 2:That was sweet.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was a pretty fucking wicked boy. So he sneaks into their place and sits at their table during dinner Al-Gurl, al-gurl, al-gurl, al-gurl, al-gurl, al-gurl, al-gurl, al-gurl, al-gurl, al-gurl, al-gur. Yeah, I'll say that. Fausto tells him that the people who sent him there are no different as in America or the Colombian cartel. That's who they learned it from. He says he also asked if his wife and kids would be proud of what he has become. Fausto says it wasn't personal, but Alejandro says it is to him. He asked not to kill him in front of his boys, and then Alejandro kills his wife and two kids right then, and there that scene was so I just wasn't expecting, because usually they don't go that way.
Speaker 3:I was like he's going to kill him. We're going to see him walk away and see them laying down and it was like he did it and it's like I don't care about that. This is for me.
Speaker 1:Like you can't convince me, I'm a man on a mission he just wanted to see the look he gives like after he kills the kids.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he's like I want you to suffer what I have to and there was no hesitation, because sometimes when they get there they're like those like big revenge moments.
Speaker 2:They have that moment of hesitation yeah, he's like what do your kids speak, do they?
Speaker 1:speak English, yeah, and then he's like finish your dinner.
Speaker 3:I was like it's not good that he killed him, but it's just like I still understand Because, just like thinking of seeing your daughter alive put into a vat, they didn't say she died. They could have killed her and said we're putting her in a vat of acid and that was it. They made him watch.
Speaker 1:And that's fucked up. A it's like that's fucked up A lot. It seems like they did it with cheese alive.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because when he has that nightmare and the screams of the engine, you can kind of hear a little bit of little girl screams and stuff like that. It's like it's not right. I understand yeah.
Speaker 1:And then he tells him to finish his dinner and the guy can't move, essentially because he just saw the worst thing ever to happen to him. But it's like, hey, dude, this is what you did every night that you've been in power, so this fucking sucks for you. Because isn't he trying to say those two kids were cute man, yeah, I feel bad for him, fucking suck.
Speaker 3:I felt like he was trying to say like, yeah, it's just always like this and everything, and like you know, there I think I've lost my train of thought. It's just he was trying to like reason his way out and I don't think he expected. When he killed them in front of him he was like oh, you're just here for me yeah, he was expecting to die, but not them to die and it's like hey now, you shouldn't
Speaker 3:kill people's families, dude, this is what's gonna happen if you're gonna do it, at least do it quickly, where I don't have to watch them suffer, because if that happened I might not have been on tirade as much.
Speaker 1:I might not have killed your kids that way yeah, well, it's just like one of the situations like, dude, you could have just killed me, not my family, but you killed my family, so now I'm gonna kill you, create a monster, yeah essentially the monster um the sins of the father type of thing, yeah, so yeah, and that's pretty much the uh conclusion of the movie, except for just these little two parts here this is such a big part of the.
Speaker 3:What are you talking about?
Speaker 1:one, yeah, but that was like. Uh, that was like the whole mission was just that it's the americans led a hitman to someone's house so that he could kill the guy and wife and create a power void so yeah, so like if it put someone in there it is a place that they control.
Speaker 1:That's what they did, but they sent, they literally let led a hitman to kill two kids and a wife that were probably obviously the kids were completely innocent. I don't know about the wife, right, she probably knew everything that happened, still like she's.
Speaker 3:she's more of an accomplice.
Speaker 1:She probably didn't do anything. I feel like that's what really makes this shitty. It's like like you can't be like, yeah, America. It's like no, no, we just let this guy to kill two innocent kids.
Speaker 3:It's the real world of what things are, because it's like if you look at it, it's like it gives you an inclination of how bad that guy is because he's putting children alive in a vat. It's like, well, we can put someone in there and have, like, we get rid of him, we can have that happen. We can at least have a controlled violence.
Speaker 1:It's like no kids being killed, no women type of thing cause maybe I don't think that when they put this other cartel into place they're not going to be like. You can't kill kids at Whibbit, just not in America it's more like controlled of, like they just don't want it to come into. America, they don't care what happens there, that's just how I feel like it probably would be.
Speaker 1:I don't know, I know nothing. It's all terrible. So to finish off the movie, Alejandro appears in Kate's apartment where she's smoking a cigarette. He says probably shouldn't be on the balcony for a while and forces her at gunpoint to sign a waiver legitimizing the operation. She says she can't, but he says it would be like committing suicide and then puts the gun under her chin. He says she reminds him of his daughter. She eventually signs. As he leaves. She comes out because he completely dismantles her pistol and then you just hear as he's walking putting it back together and she aims her pistol at him but cannot bring herself to pull the trigger because it's a land of wolves and she's not a wolf. And that's why she was picked for this whole thing, because they knew that he could manipulate her and that she probably would just follow along and not do anything about it.
Speaker 3:It's like because you are a good person.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, this is sitting here. It's like no country for Emily Blunt. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And then we go back to Mexico. Silvio's widow watches her son's soccer game. The game is briefly interrupted by the sound of gunfire before continuing, because now nothing is any better for them.
Speaker 3:Nope At all, it's probably going to be worse for a while.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, because when power vacuums happen, it's chaos, it's going to be a bunch of people fighting in the streets and who knows what's going to happen to this family that, even though we didn't see a lot of the kids seem nice and the wife seemed nice.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the kid really loved her to his dad, wow, and the wife seemed nice. Yeah, ken really loved her to his dad, wow one thing you don't really like.
Speaker 3:You know they're like, you can see, they're like oh, he's gone, but it seems like they kind of knew. It's like we know what he's into, because obviously the big gun like it's. It's just a matter of if yeah or not.
Speaker 1:A matter of if, of when and when it so we're gonna move on to our first category the good, the bad, the ugly, the fine. It's where we discuss the good of the film, something we like, the bad, something we didn't. The ugly, that something didn't age well. To find something that did age well. Anybody want to kick off.
Speaker 3:I would say more of like it was more of like a nitpick, it was just more of a For the good, oh for the good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's how the podcast worked.
Speaker 3:You know how to talk. No, Okay, I think the good is just generally the movies. The casting choices were really good. Cinematography it's like I said earlier every scene feels like it's useful. It's not like we could do without this.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I thought the story was really cool.
Speaker 1:Just the seedy underbelly of our own government trying to control the world through crime yeah, Trying to keep us safe while causing so much the world through crime yeah, it's great. Trying to keep us safe while causing so much danger for other people yeah, it's the way the world works, baby. Yeah, democracy, baby. I just put like it's just like it's a tactical movie. Yeah, it's very tactical and I love it. You guys pretty much said everything else that I put down, that I put down, but I just love like a nice, like just like let's gear up and go and it's like all hell break loose. You know, we got to plan stuff and it's fun and it makes me feel like shit and I love it. It really did show a lot of planning stuff.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I love that because and you can do planning where it's not boring because they kind of move in a fast way Everyone they speak their line, they go to it, it speak their line, then go to it. It's not like hover on it and keep beating the details down.
Speaker 1:I don't know.
Speaker 3:Because there's sometimes you're like I don't need this scene here.
Speaker 1:It's the stuff between saying the plans, Like whenever they're saying they got to go to Juarez, right it's. Oh, here's the Texas Rangers.
Speaker 3:And then you have.
Speaker 1:Josh.
Speaker 2:Brolin.
Speaker 1:There's things in between to keep you, josh Brolin, saying I love Texas, and then you got the whole, like when they introduced Matt being there, whatever he said, the VIP of it and he's like one of the Texas Rangers is like you sober and he's like I'll get, I will be when I get there. And then like Texas Rangers like well, I got a bottle of Jack in the car and it's like fun. They added like some humanity in between the planning stuff. Right.
Speaker 3:Which just helps. It felt kind of reared.
Speaker 1:Who can't talk now? Dakota.
Speaker 3:You rub off on me. I can't help it. It feels like a real conversation because I don't know. You just talk about planning and anytime meetings would happen at work. They tell you the plan. Then you go on your side, you talk about like well, this and that, and giving each other crap.
Speaker 1:Or you talk about this ain't gonna work and stuff yeah, so um, for me the bad or uh, drugs are bad, okay, drugs fucking sucks. I don't have anything like actually about the movie that I found bad.
Speaker 2:Well, the bad for me was with the guy. He was like, hey, how you doing? And then the guy goes uh, burns when I pee and there's like gross man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was almost like a. It doesn't go too far with like the uh, uh cheekiness I guess. Um, but yeah, I could. Yeah, I understand. It's like we're in a very serious.
Speaker 3:I've never had gonorrhea yeah, I don't speaking of which it sounds like somebody that's had gonorrhea yeah, I don't Speaking of which it sounds like somebody that's had gonorrhea.
Speaker 2:See it all over my face, my girlfriend mentioned.
Speaker 3:I could have got that because when I was at that haunted house the other night went to the port party vape fell on the ground or on the floor.
Speaker 1:Really yeah, and you kept smoking it. No, I walked out and I handed it to her.
Speaker 3:I was going to wash my hands real quick, so can you throw the switch? She's like, don't hand that to me. And I was like she's right, so I threw it away and then, of course, as I put the soap in my hands, there's no water.
Speaker 1:You should use the toilet water, so my bad would be what you just said, that's gross.
Speaker 3:I want to ask this of like Jason, because it was the same thing before with no Country for Old Men. It was like what can you think of that is legitimately bad? The only thing I can think of in no Country was just the bad CGI. I don't want to say it's a perfect movie, but it's a movie that doesn't have the regular faults of Just get the perspective I didn't really see anything bad. That's what makes the movie so good.
Speaker 1:The airplane shadow Same CGI. Oh, that's the only bad CGI in it also, I'm pretty sure that the helicopter is at the Air Force Base. I feel like some of those were CGI, but that's very nitpicky.
Speaker 3:They could also not be CGI could be the way the focus was, I guess it's like it's weird to think because, like other movies, like oh, we could do without this, ah, that was bad. But this is not one of those movies. I'm just like. I feel like I'm just being like totally biased, but there's nothing wrong with it.
Speaker 1:You loved denny, baby. You loved denny. He's also probably the best use of cgi out of all our directors. Right now I feel like that, other than maybe, uh, gareth edwards got rogue one and oh yeah uh, the creator he's got a new thing coming out that's supposed to be pretty good, hopefully.
Speaker 1:Um, so the ugly I put, um, it's almost kind of like let's see how should I put it. So this movie feels so real right and you're like this is probably how this shit goes down, but it's probably not, no, and um, it's not like. I'm not saying like, oh, the filmmaker should be responsible of like trying to tell all the truth because people are going to see this and be like, oh, this is how the everything fucking goes. So I just put like, maybe like it, because when I was watching it I was like man, like people are probably gonna watch this movie and be like oh, yeah, this is how it all works well, it's like, what's the?
Speaker 1:responsibility of a filmmaker, but also, at the same time, I don't care. It just made me think about it for a second and I was like that might be a good ugly, because you know, there's like the Facebook movie, right, social.
Speaker 3:Network I'm like.
Speaker 1:That's how Facebook was made.
Speaker 3:And it's mysticism to it yeah.
Speaker 1:So I don't know. I guess that could be ugly. If that's something you don't like in movies, I don't care, because I feel like I'm smart I'm smart enough to know that this is just movies. Some people aren't. Yeah, anybody else got any uglies?
Speaker 2:not really like that uncomfortable feeling of thinking that this might be what happens, how it works.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I think that's my answer.
Speaker 1:Sure, there's stuff that happens like this.
Speaker 3:but like you know, Well, I call it the ugly truth of how America really works.
Speaker 1:Yeah, all right, so I put aging. Well, I put Emily Blunt. Yeah, benicio Del Toro, oh yeah.
Speaker 3:Benicio Del Toro. I was sitting here. I was like man, get Benicio Del Toro and Javier Bodim together, I would just watch that movie, yeah.
Speaker 1:But after this movie, emily Blunt she had a lead up coming to this. She was in the Devil's Prada, the Tom Cruise movie.
Speaker 3:I talked about Live, die Repeat Edge of Tomorrow.
Speaker 1:And you, you know, but like I feel like after this movie it was just like Emily Blunt is good, is here and she's gonna be blunt about it and she's she's so good cause like this thing, like she's good at being the action serious person didn't watch Fall Guy and she's.
Speaker 3:I was like I could see you in like Alita's, a rom-com role role. Like you have range.
Speaker 3:I guess that I could see you pulling off certain role like roles you do well and it's just like you are in stuff that like because if you could do these two well, it shows your range can pretty much go to anything she's pretty much like uh, probably one of our best actresses yeah, because I I used to think I was like, what actresses do I really like that I would watch, and she, like I said, she's become one of them yeah, I don't feel like she's talked as much about, like not talked about as much as like some of the other actresses, but she's one of our best. I think it's just. I would say that's the ugly side of Hollywood, because she's a little bit older, yeah.
Speaker 1:She broke through. Yeah, any other finds Everybody good. Yeah, fine, the whole movie's fine so we're going to move to our next category, since that one ended on a whimper Double feature. It's where we pick a movie that would go well with this movie. Anybody want to start? You want me to start.
Speaker 2:Yeah, do you ever see the Salton Sea? No, with Pierce Brosnan or he's, he's trying to uncover like a meth ring and Arizona or Texas or something. It's like super dark and it's pretty cool. Oh, the Salton Sea. Yeah, the Salton Sea. He plays a trumpet, val Kilmer.
Speaker 1:Vincent D'Onofrio.
Speaker 2:Peter Zarsgaard.
Speaker 1:Maybe it was Val Kilmer, not Pierce Brosnan, adam Goldberg, hell, yeah, yeah, luis.
Speaker 3:Guzman, danny Trejo, did you show anything? It's streaming on because I can go home and watch it it is.
Speaker 1:You can watch now with premium subscription for.
Speaker 2:YouTube there's just like a dude there's a dude in the movie that doesn't have a nose. He's got a prosthetic nose.
Speaker 3:Krillin, I'm glad you all laughed at that because you knew what it was this is a 2002 movie.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's Thriller Mystery cool. Yeah, it's thriller mystery cool. Have to check it out. Love Elk Homer, you got anything bud?
Speaker 3:yeah, I had to look it up because I was like, oh, I didn't think of a movie and I was like let me look at something similar and one that kind of stood out. It was more focused not on the mystery part, more on like the soldier part, was like American Sniper, which I think never seen that never seen that it. It shows you more of like what it's like living in wartime and like what American soldiers have to go through. Like there's regular people like.
Speaker 3:Oh, they're just going over there doing the right thing and it's just like there it's a war torn country and there's certain things they're doing that they think is right and he had to do a lot of stuff that like fucked him up. Yeah, I don't think of like on the, because I was thinking of the military aspects with the men. It made me think of it.
Speaker 1:Never seen it. I remember there's like some controversy around the movie. I just can't remember I think it was. I think Seth Rogen called it like American propaganda.
Speaker 3:It is like that it was more on the focus on like. Like I said, it's a good film.
Speaker 1:I'm not going to say like it's not something you should watch. I've just never seen it. I do. I have wanted to rewatch it. Clint Eastwood, bradley Cooper, hell yeah, because of that movie they were able to. They ended up going on and doing Stars of War one of the best movies ever made. Dakota doesn't like it.
Speaker 2:I never finished it.
Speaker 1:I chose a Tom Cruise movie called American Made. It's based on a true story, the story of Barry Seale, an American pilot who became a drug runner for the CIA in the 1980s in a clandestine operation that would be exposed as the Iran-Contra affair and essentially, you know, colombian cartel, essentially with heroin and drugs and stuff and it's kind of the start before.
Speaker 1:it's like things that happened that would have led up to this movie essentially, um, and it's like during the reagan administration and you know you have like the war on drugs happening there and like there's a lot of great things of like because, you know, the president knew all this was happening. I don't think it started during his presidency but, you know, came into it, then he had all the like anti-drug stuff and then it turns out they're letting it all in. It's this it's Doug Liman who directed Live, die Repeat. He did it. This is not, as it's, a movie that got serious parts in it, but it is kind of goofier. How old is it? I believe it's 2017, yeah, tom Cruise is great in it. It's a really fun movie.
Speaker 1:so it might be like a great kind of you're talking about the same thing, but it's a little lighter until of course it gets to the end and then it's like, oh, this shit was serious, guys, and like all this goofy stuff happened with this guy, but it like really resonated on like our country. That's cool. So it's a good movie. I enjoyed it. It's on AMC+ Plus Got it. So yeah, baby, that's a car yo. Thank you, dakota, for joining us. Thank you for having me. I want everybody to go home. If you're listening to this not at home, I don't know what the hell I'm talking about.
Speaker 3:You listen while you're driving. Go to your home.
Speaker 1:I want you to go on to Max and I want you to get your little clicker that controls your TV. I want you to boot up Max and then watch Final Destination, because that's our next movie, baby yeah, and watch Final Destination, because that's our next movie. Baby yeah, the Final Destination Bloodlines trailer rules it was great. It made me super excited to watch Final Destination. So that's what we're doing next. It's a really fun movie. Everybody loves these movies.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, it just makes you feel like you're going to die everywhere you go. It's like who knew that death was Rube Goldberg? So entertaining.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's great. I could just imagine like, like directing that film, like or writing. The film was like. All right, let me look around my house. How would I die accidentally because it's they're so creative, even the bad one oh no, actually the bad one, like there's one destiny. I think it's like the fourth or fifth one, dude, it's the 3d one, it's so bad.
Speaker 3:I thought the third one was 3d as well.
Speaker 1:No, the third one was the interactive one.
Speaker 2:If you bought the dvd you could uh make the choices for him.
Speaker 1:It's so cool I'd play, I'd. I spent like a day doing that, um, and I love it. The third one if you did click that they didn't get on the roller coaster, the movie just ends because the credits it's so good, they just didn't have a fun day.
Speaker 2:It has like the animal house. Wow, it cuts the credits. It's so good they just had a didn't have a fun day. It has like the animal house.
Speaker 1:What they did afterwards. Uh, it's so fun, um, but yeah, final destination, it's great, um. So join us next week for that. Dakota probably won't be with us on that one, that's okay, um, but yeah, thanks dakota for joining. Join us next week for that. I'm just gonna keep saying the same shit over and over and over. And if you'd like to contact us, I told you earlier that our there's a link in the description where you can send us fan mail. It's very top the bottom, there's our email. We recommend mail back at gmailcom. Just say, like yo, what up, pimps?
Speaker 2:I don't know. Tell Jesse how much you hate his haircut. Sounds horrible. Yeah, it affects my speaking, I guess, and my lack of ability to pronunciate yeah.
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