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Final Destination
Buckle up as we dive into the captivating world of Final Destination, a film that forever changed the way we think about flying and death. From its chilling opening scene of a catastrophic plane explosion to the gripping suspense that follows, this episode examines the cultural impact and narrative intricacies of this classic thriller. Join us as we explore the uncomfortable themes of fate and mortality wrapped in dark comedy that has become synonymous with the horror genre since its release in 2000.
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Hello and welcome to the we Recommend podcast, a movie podcast where every week we recommend a movie for you to watch and then come back here and listen to us discuss. I'm Jesse and I'm Jason In death. There are no accidents, no coincidences, no mishaps and no escapes, because this week we recommend Final Destination. Hell yeah, the Candyman himself said so.
Speaker 2:I don't get the reference. Oh, tony Todd, the guy that said that quote oh, he's the Candyman, yeah, he's the.
Speaker 1:Candyman yeah, so this was your first time watching it. Surprisingly, yes, that you just told me a minute ago.
Speaker 2:That's my first fucking time and I was, uh, I was, I was a little, I was very surprised because I thought it was going to be a lot different. I thought it was going to be more like this, the other one, like the second one or the third one, because I've only seen pieces of those and it's just like random people dying all over the place.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but it takes it too far.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this one it's kind of like I had no idea it was started with a horrible plane accident.
Speaker 1:Yeah right, Wow, Boy does this age great Because planes are flying out of the fucking air crashing all over the place.
Speaker 2:Well, this one was like loaded with C4 or something, so I don't know, under the passenger seat, I mean geez, they just keep looking at the plane. It's like, why is?
Speaker 1:anybody getting on these planes. It's falling apart.
Speaker 2:Did this movie create helicopter parents and all the fear of flying Well.
Speaker 1:Apparently it created parents who hate people that saved their kids.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was kind of messed up.
Speaker 1:I was like dude.
Speaker 2:Even his own parents gaslit the fuck out of him for it. It's like what did y'all think he?
Speaker 1:did you think, this high school teenager, you shouldn't have been alive, you should have died? Our son committed unaliving himself. How come you got to live?
Speaker 2:And it's your fault for saving him in the first place.
Speaker 1:It's like what? Oh shit, man, yeah, something. I watching this I thought this wasn't like this was a 2000s film. It came out in 2000. It feels like a 90s film. It really does, yeah, and it's like right before everything became like super edited and cut crazy like 13 Ghosts Saw and all those movies edited and cut crazy like 13 ghosts saw in all those movies. And it's like oh whoa, because I don't know. But it's like kind of in this in between, where it's not as cheesy as 90s things, movies like urban legends and things like that, where it's just like does anybody know how to act in these movies or did we just not know that people couldn't act like that in these teen movies?
Speaker 2:I thought the main character he's got this like underbite. I think it's just insane. It looks like Beavis, it's wild.
Speaker 1:While I was watching I was like, wow, Devin Sala kind of not attractive and he's leading this movie. It's kind of great. It's just because after I read, no problem having an underbite.
Speaker 2:I just thought it was kind of funny.
Speaker 1:Yeah. But I was just like when I was looking, I was like I thought I remember Devin Sava being more attractive than this. But then I was like, oh no, it just kind of looks like a regular guy, which I mean great, I mean I just look like a regular guy. Let's go, let's put these people in the shit. Where was I going with that?
Speaker 2:how about fucking Sean Williams Scott? This is a very different role for him, isn't it?
Speaker 1:great, I loved it. It's like you know who is this guy? He's got so much range he was able to play the people that he bullied in.
Speaker 1:American Pie very well it was fun, it was something. Whenever I recommended it last week I was like, oh, we should do it. You know the new movie's coming out soon. I've just been kind of wanting to watch it and I rewatched them like five years ago and they're great. And then I was just like, am I sure that this is a movie I want to recommend for the podcast? After we already released the other episode and I'm like, let's, I would just for.
Speaker 2:Bloodworth.
Speaker 1:Yeah, blood worth. Yeah, tony todd is so fucking good in the five minutes. I know the movie. He was just like I would if I was them.
Speaker 1:I'd be like go to the cops like I think that guy may have also killed somebody yeah, I'm pretty sure I think he's creating business for himself because, uh, for one, he was way too chill about us breaking it, yeah, and he just did all that in front of us, yeah he's probably like thinking that he doesn't have to worry about break-ins because he'll just use make you into a like a balloon, like a man balloon with his little injection thingies.
Speaker 2:It was so cool to watch that oh yeah it's like I kind of just want to watch. Have you ever met a real life? Uh, what do you call these guys? Morticians morticians like embalmers or whatever.
Speaker 1:Embalmers, yeah, are they all cool and chill?
Speaker 2:I'm sure they are. I've only met one and we visited him as part of the school thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And he looks like Edward Scissorhands' overweight older brother or younger brother.
Speaker 1:They're in some sort of fucking basement all day.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but his skin was so pale it's like raven black hair, yeah, and with his bucket of teeth and hip bone replacements he was like check this out. He like got a handful and he pulled him out and was like letting him fall out of his hand like coins he's just like walking around the funeral home at the person's wedding.
Speaker 1:This is his, this is your grandma's hip replacement bone. Isn't this cool kids?
Speaker 2:everybody's, everybody's like oh my God, this guy is wealthy.
Speaker 1:Well, I think you have to look like you could be the lead singer of my Chemical Romance. Yeah, you could. The only other, really, when I think about it, the only like I've always kind of thought of Tony Todd as like that type of guy because of this movie and he shows up in like a few of the other ones, or two of them I think and balls burger mort he's. Oh okay, he owns the funeral home, so I just assume he does it mort. Yeah, mort's like the only one from balls burger is that I the other one I can remember? Or, or, uh, haunting of hill house, the girl that owns the funeral home, she does it.
Speaker 1:Pale skin, dark hair so yeah, I guess that's just how you have to look more, it's the only normal one that I know of, um. So do you think this premise is silly or great? I?
Speaker 2:don't know. There's a lot of silly things about it, yeah like death.
Speaker 1:It just comes in through fucking windows.
Speaker 2:Like death is a slow puddle, yeah, you know, which is fun to think about.
Speaker 1:But you know what I think? That's kind of great.
Speaker 2:I know it's kind of great, but like he, he also death, has a real problem trying to hurt this kid. Yeah, everybody else seems fine with yeah, like he's just has a lot of near misses that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, nobody else really got the opportunity well, I mean like everybody's, like dang, I didn't see the signs, but this kid, he's like very attentive, it's like usually everybody's just so like preoccupied with themselves. But Devin Sala, not him, this guy's just waiting, he's looking in windows, he's seeing visions, he's super paranoid all the time. I guess that's how you survive, that's how I survived, that's why I'm surviving baby. So I guess, when it comes to horror movies, this would be like one of my last questions. I ask you Do you prefer slashers or kind of supernatural horrors like this.
Speaker 1:I think supernatural horrors Kind of a little more fun, aren't they? Yeah, like I feel like when you make a slasher, you have to, like, go out of your way to make it super fun or it's super new, versus something like a supernatural horror like this.
Speaker 2:it's like, bro, that the fucking toilet's leaking, I'm gonna hang myself because of it, it's so fun I grew up watching like jason and freddy and stuff and I.
Speaker 1:It would always scare me so much but I would always try to watch it yeah just because my friends had seen it and when you watch freddy now, it's like this isn't scary, this is hilarious.
Speaker 1:This isn't scary bitch bitch. This is funny, it's so great. I love the freddys. The jasons, uh, bore me to death. I don't think I really watched them as a kid, but I did watch these as a kid and I loved them. They're great. I love everything supernatural. This is wonderful. Fuck yeah, dude, I don't know. It's just such a creative idea of a movie. And this is actually going to lead us into the facts, because I have a really fun fact about this premise. It was originally an X-File episode. Nice, yeah, like the whole plane crash. It was going to be like Scully's brother that was going to be on the plane and has the premonition that was going to be on the plane and has the premonition. But I guess, because they thought it was such a great idea, that Chris Carter, who wrote it, the guy who started.
Speaker 1:X-Files wrote the episode of it and then they kind of expanded on it and they're like no, this needs to be a movie because we could do more with it.
Speaker 2:They're like, hey, we got a good one, we got a good idea, and they just, yeah, they're just like holy shit, this is actually kind of a bigger idea than we thought.
Speaker 1:And they just wanted to. This is too good for X-Files. They just kind of wanted to like be able to dive into discussing death's role in the whole thing. Man, they should have had Muller and her. Oh, they popped up at the end. Yeah, Instead of Shrek and Weenie, or whatever his name is. When I forgot that the guy's name was Shrek, I immediately was typing notes, looked up I was like donkey.
Speaker 2:Agent Shrek and Agent Weedy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is this is men in black all over again. That's great. So apparently every Final Destination film is based on horrifying premonition of events that actually came true or not came true, but like, where's something in the past that actually happened, like the flight in this one? Um, I guess it was based the. The plane blowing up in this one was based on the twa flight 800 explosion.
Speaker 2:Um, so yeah, I guess brought a bottle of sunscreen on the plane without throwing it out first right, yeah, that's what it was.
Speaker 1:It just exploded, fucking assholes, but yeah, so I guess that in the other ones, like Final Destination 2, the car crash at the beginning is like based on an actual 125 car pileup in Georgia. Apparently that happened at one point.
Speaker 2:And then there is like the let's check Georgia off the list of the states that I like to drive through.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then I guess in the final destination, five there was, that's the one with like a NASCAR event that like explodes. Apparently there was like something that actually happened like that in the 50s to the crowd and everything.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I guess, so Fuck.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's pretty well.
Speaker 2:That's why you go. That's why you go.
Speaker 1:Just Fuck, yeah, it's pretty well. That's why you go. That's why you go Just to see a crash and mass death. I mean, that is why when I was a kid, I liked to watch it. And then there was the time that Dale Earnhardt, my favorite race car driver when I was a kid I do not watch NASCAR now. I used to have his trading cards, yeah, but everybody loved Dale Earnhardt. That was like when NASCAR was cool. For some reason, I don't know why Everybody liked it. It was crazy in Tennessee.
Speaker 2:I think the trading cards helped yeah, like baseball cards.
Speaker 1:But then you know, dale Earnhardt had like a crash and he died and it was like crashes aren't fun anymore.
Speaker 2:I don't like car crashes.
Speaker 1:Hey, raise hell, praise deal. That's all we got to say about it.
Speaker 2:Never heard of that, that's great.
Speaker 1:So the characters in the films were named after famous horror celebrities, mainly directors. So let's see, you got, for example, alex Browning, which is Devin Sala, billy Hitchcock, which was his friend, larry Murnall I don't know, it was the French teacher at the beginning and Black Dryer, all named after directors. Todd Browning, heated Freaks, that old like 1930s film, alfred Hitchcock obviously that was Billy Hitchcock named after FW Murnall I don't know, I can't say his name and then Carl Theodore Dreyer, respectively, while the characters Terry Chaney, agent Shrek and Valerie Luton all pay homage to actors Lon Chaney, max Shrek, val Luton. And it continues in the rest of the final Destination films.
Speaker 2:I thought that was cool. It's like an onion just peeling apart the layers you gotta peel across the layers and another fun one.
Speaker 1:So apparently Tobey Maguire and Kristen Dunst were almost the stars of this movie. That would have been fun. Yeah, that would have been. I feel like man, does it not feel like it might have been a worse movie?
Speaker 2:I don't know it feels wrong in my head.
Speaker 1:They're Spidermans, they're the Spidermans the Spidermans.
Speaker 2:They're not the the Destinations.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I guess originally New Line Cinema wanted Tobey Maguire and Krista Dunst to star in the final destination, but they likely passed on the project for a chance to star in Spider-Man. But I think it worked out better that they weren't in it, because I don't know what else would we be talking about?
Speaker 2:Devin Sawa with Other than you would have been in Spider-Man, idle hands, that's how it works.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it might've been crazy. You know what? I think everything worked out just fine. So one last thing I was going to put at the top, and then I found this little piece of trivia on IMDB I was thinking of, like it was kind of cool that um, Allie Lauder, uh, Alex and clear in the movie, um didn't really have like a like a relationship, right?
Speaker 1:they were just kind of friends and I was like, oh man, this is so un 90s and 2000s of them. But turns out, yeah, they, they were supposed to be in a relationship but they cut it all out for like I guess time and it just like it wasn't working. But I guess Ali, so when they're on the beach together talking and she says that like crazy 7-Eleven story about her father, they're supposed to kiss and like we're going to find out that Clear was going to be pregnant and stuff and that was going to be like a big thing at the end. And then it does. Eventually it comes into play in the sequel.
Speaker 1:They kind of like this one off with a couple of lines that they had a relationship and stuff. But I thought it was like there was one. They were getting off the plane to get into Paris. At the end he like puts his hands on her shoulder and I'm like, oh, it's just like a group of friends here. This is fun, cause usually you don't see it. It always gotta be like some overdone relationship type thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I thought that was fun. We're cool. I don't know, maybe that's just me. No, it was kind of neat, but it kind of. Also, when she didn't, what am I trying to say? God damn it. Okay, what's the syndrome you get when you fall in love with the person that saves your life? I don't know. I don't know, maybe that's what it kind of was, because she wasn't like in love with him, but she's like I'm going to stay close to this guy because he could see the future. Oh yeah, I would do the same thing Survival.
Speaker 1:I guess I just also can like. I guess there isn't a specific medical term for falling in love with someone who saves your life. The closest concept is Stockholm Central. That's what I was thinking. But that's like your captors, yeah, your captors, yeah, your captors. I guess you feel captured by ah, there, there you go a real pokemon snap? I don't know uh, all right bro, I guess we should probably get into the plot, for death finds us yeah, hurry up.
Speaker 2:Everything in here could kill us. I know this is like this room for sure.
Speaker 1:I mean we got my drive. Uh. Poster of Ryan Gosling. That's like tipping towards your head right now with a helmet. This is essentially a fire hazard of a room because I have blankets and foam everywhere and there's not a lot of room to run out, so we'll probably trip the dog will trip us. It's going to be terrible. We're all going to die. So if this is the last time you hear from us, thank, you for listening.
Speaker 2:You just hear us slip comically on banana peels.
Speaker 1:And then it's like after we die, it's like death sits down. So I have an idea for a movie Like Beetlejuice. Was that? You Sounded like Beetlejuice? All right, so let's hop into the film. So we meet Alex. The day before a trip to France, his mom ripped something off his suitcase. He says it should stay on for luck. I guess it's from when he last took a trip. You're supposed to leave it like your little tag on.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and this is the first time I've ever thought about this, this leaving the tags on your suitcases. I bet it pisses off the people who have to deal with your luggage yeah, probably, and that's why your luggage gets lost sometimes, but you know what, or sent to the wrong place.
Speaker 1:Like this whole movie. They're blaming freaking Devin, sawa or Alex for killing everybody. It was the damn mom. Yeah, ripped off the suitcase thing. Death was like. Oh, I got you son Now lady.
Speaker 2:It's like she rips off the tag on a mattress that says it's illegal to rip off.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's like you're. Next, his dad says he's got his whole life ahead of him. Are these parents trying to kill this kid by saying this.
Speaker 2:It was so foreboding, I know.
Speaker 1:Like if I was growing up and my parents were just saying this randomly before I went to a trip, I'm like I ain't going, you just killed me, Don't be afraid, son, you'll live forever Be like OK, well, I'm going to die. And then, while he is sleeping windy ass, death comes into his house.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I thought I was like surely not, he surely doesn't get killed by the wind. Yeah, I was like surely not?
Speaker 1:He surely doesn't get killed by the wind? Yeah, they kind of all do, I know. Yeah, but really he's a ghost. Death is a ghost. So Alex gets ready to board Volley Airlines Flight 180, a Boeing 747. And if you think how unbelievable this is, well, they're flying out of the fucking sky as we speak. So it's so realistic, it's crazy. Just flying coffins, everyone. He's got his classmates for their senior trip to Paris. Wow, they must live in a rich neighborhood.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and none of them speak French, so it's not like a French class field trip?
Speaker 1:Not at all. You know what we did for our senior trip? Nothing, oh yeah, because our schools don't do that, I guess, anymore, we had to plan our own. Really, I went to Yellowstone. I think they do do senior trips still, but like you have to, you have to be the ones that plan it and pay for it all, and then you have to find like a teacher or somebody to take you guys and I'm like no, we don't run the school. But also, how do you plan a senior trip for like 100 billion students? So you know, I get it, just pocket the cash and go to Vegas.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so Alex, he seems super suspicious about everything and all the planes. They look like shit, like he's just hearing noises, like the little cards in the back are all going crazy, saying closed and cancel, and my orders put you're going to die, don't get on. We learned that the trip is gonna be for 10 days with 40 students from the high school. After the group boards the plane, the plane itself being in bad condition, alex switches seats with uh was this a boeing 747?
Speaker 1:yeah, that's what it is um, uh, he switches seats with two characters. When he sits down, his tray table is like having faulty knob.
Speaker 2:And after takeoff he's like oh hell, no, I'm out of here.
Speaker 1:And during the takeoff, the plane is a mechanical failure, leading to midair explosion, killing everybody on board. Bro, this was a brutal scene. It was intense. Yeah, I always remember it would be more fun. Maybe it's just because we're seeing little videos of planes like crashing now all the time.
Speaker 1:But like when you'd like the people like flying out, you got the teacher like trying to grab the hand. I was like, oh wow, I thought this was more fun. It's kind of brutal. And then devon saw his face is uh, I'm kind of like sitting on it for 10 seconds while it's like burning I was like wow, I don't think I want to fly now. Fucking metal, it's kind of great, I want to go on this ride scary, yeah.
Speaker 2:Why don't we have theme parks? Yeah universal.
Speaker 1:Get rid of the fast and furious ride.
Speaker 2:Make a final destination ride, make rides where you die, and then you, you come back at the end.
Speaker 1:It's called your car. You could just do that anytime, no but, I, want it to be fun. Oh, I just pop some pills or something. Be real fun.
Speaker 2:Then do some meth, just chug me out until I feel good yeah.
Speaker 1:But Alex wakes up randomly and he's like being asked to switch seats. And then he's like this doesn't seem right, um so, and then he all of a sudden, the events that he saw from his visions begin to occur in reality. He panics until a fight breaks out between him and his roided up rival what's up with this guy?
Speaker 1:dude, I don't know. He's just waiting. He hates him. Yeah, it must just be a thing that, like, like I don't know, they've been in probably the same class their entire, like school life and they just don't get along. And he's just been like I've been waiting.
Speaker 2:He's attracted to him, probably I've been waiting for you, just to mess up once cause I was gonna beat the shit out of you dude.
Speaker 1:It is wild. He hates him. It's like don't start a fight on the plane, he can get off. You just sit there. You don't have to start beating him up, it's so random.
Speaker 2:I don't know what would ever go through your mind to make you want to do this.
Speaker 1:I can only assume steroids, since he's got a varsity jacket on. I don't know. That's what that?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah he has to be doing so.
Speaker 1:Like why else? I don't know, I guess he's just a teenager, probably horny. Didn't get to have sex with his girl. I don't know.
Speaker 2:No, he wants to see Sawa. Yeah, he just hates it.
Speaker 1:But their little fight results in them both being removed from the plane, along with Alex's best friend, Todd, but with only one D, and apparently that's because if you spell it that way and I forgot what language, but it means death.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 1:So Todd Wagner, cardinal's girlfriend Terry Chaney, teacher Valerie Luton and students Billy Hitchcock, that's Sean William Scott and Clear Rivers Allie Lauder, great. So Valerie asked fellow teacher, the French guy, to get back into the flight as she cannot leave the rest of the students unchaperoned. Bro, this pilot, right, Can we talk about this little scene? So he's like oh, y'all can't get back on the plane, none of y'all. And it's like well, ok, the two teachers with these kids are like I can only allow one of you to go. And it's like why let both of them go?
Speaker 2:they have to watch these kids. We want 40 unsupervised children having no idea where they're going can't speak french, none of it.
Speaker 1:They're just gonna be lost in france by themselves, underage, it's like hey, probably that's a movie I understand you're upset about some of these people, but maybe think a little bit clearly and be like oh, it's just these two idiots. Okay, well then they can they get. Everybody else can get back on.
Speaker 2:What, and all you have to do to get everyone off the plane is say the B word on the plane.
Speaker 1:Well, this is before 2000,. This is before 2001. It's like. It's like I mean, they just let planes.
Speaker 2:I mean nothing nothing closed in that thing. The plane had like bullet holes.
Speaker 1:It's like the cigarette burns on the carpet or something like. I mean they had two. The two flight ascendants were sitting in a one chair, like they're like buckled with one seatbelt. I'm like I've never been on a plane, so I don't know if that's how it works, but I was like I don't think that's.
Speaker 2:You don don't have two chairs for each of them. I watched Chainsmith 2000, though that's true, that is true.
Speaker 1:Thank goodness. So Clear was forced off the plane but disembarked voluntarily. None of the other passengers except Clear believes Alex about his vision until the plane explodes on takeoff.
Speaker 2:That was awesome.
Speaker 1:That was great. All the glass breaks yeah, that was Fuck. Yeah, it's like I never thought of glass breaking.
Speaker 2:And then I'm like, oh, hell yeah, you're just waiting for him. What's his Todd Billy? I don't know.
Speaker 1:I was just waiting for the main character to be like told ya see, I knew it, yeah, instead everyone looks at him like he's a freak, which I mean, don't get me wrong, I would be looking at him too, but I wouldn't be like get away from I. Would be looking at him too, but I wouldn't be like get away from me. I'd be like thank you, dude. Holy shit, bro, you the man, I'd be dapping him up. Hell yeah, I'd be like, bro, if I was Carter, I'd be like I love you, bro, you me bar.
Speaker 1:Right now, let's go. We go in places together. You ain't leaving my side, You're not leaving my side. But afterwards the survivors are interrogated by two FBI agents, Ween and Shrek. God, I wish the other one was called Donkey.
Speaker 2:I just think we're better.
Speaker 1:Or Fiona, oh hell, yeah, that would have been good. And they're both suspicious of Alex, because I guess this hey how come? You didn't die. Yeah, it's like dude, it's a high school teacher. You got cameras in an airport you could have. You would have been able to see if he did anything to this plane, I would assume. But what would he have done to the plane? Like I mean, I guess they don't know because it blew up. This is too major.
Speaker 2:So I guess, acne?
Speaker 1:Yeah, mood swings yeah, that's true. So Alex is not able to explain how he knew that the plane was going to explode after takeoff and simply says he had a vision where he saw the plane explode. Then everybody's parents show up. But clears Also. Could we not just call her Claire Is?
Speaker 2:it not.
Speaker 1:It's so annoying, it's very annoying. Like writing the notes I typed in Claire.
Speaker 2:So much Just because Claire's not a name.
Speaker 1:Like it's such an odd name. So later that night Alex is getting spooked by a storm. Damn death, man Seth's. Just like I'm coming to get you.
Speaker 2:Here's some lightning strikes in your road.
Speaker 1:He's like you, son of a bitch, I'm coming to get you. Here's some lightning strikes in your road. He's like you, son of a bitch, I'm coming for you. He struck his driveway and he's like oh, I want to get you, but I have a. There's a signed seating. I have to go by. Death would be great in a movie theater. Someone's like I'm sitting in the wrong seat. It's like get out, ticket, ticket, go to your assigned seat, just in case I happen. So they have a memorial for everybody that died. They reveal a giant eagle statue.
Speaker 2:They said in the memorial they're like our 39 students. We mourn the loss of 39 students. Yeah, and one teacher, but by my count, if there were 40 kids in total, was it 45 before they got off? I guess so, but they're only counting. It had to have been because I thought they kept saying 40 students, 40 students.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I also said 40 students. I didn't even think about that.
Speaker 2:And he's like we mourn the death of 39.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're glad this, but there's like four other ones, I don't know Well but there's like four other ones, I don't know Well the well, so there's 40. And then, I guess, like the people that got off, and the the 40th person was, I guess, that French teacher or whatever. Yeah, yeah, okay, turn the death didn't account for that, did he? That's not an accountant, yeah. So Carter refuses to acknowledge that he owes anything to Alex and says that he will live his life to the fullest. That means he's going to die. It's like Carter For now. Hey man, like the guy didn't say anything to you, why you? Just, he just really wants to beat him up.
Speaker 2:So, carter again wants to control me.
Speaker 1:Carter again wants to fight immediately. He's obviously on roids, says he. He's never going to gonna die. That's exactly what you say before you die. Uh, billy, he says he got his. Billy says he got his license. But the driver instructor said he will die at a young age, I'm assuming, because how bad he is at driving.
Speaker 2:Well, then he shouldn't have given him the license.
Speaker 1:He said he like he passed, but with the lowest possible score. He asked Alex some questions because he thinks he can see the future. So when you got your driving test to get your license, did it go smoothly?
Speaker 2:I guess I think I did mess up on one thing and I ended up taking it again.
Speaker 1:Oh, I didn't have to take it again. But there was one point, because I was doing it and I, there was two driver instructors there was the nice one and there was an asshole. I got the asshole. Yay, I was so nervous that day so I did all my things, I checked my mirrors and whatever, and everything was going great. All we had to do is drive back to the driver's license place. He's like take me to the liquor store, but like so you know, there was like plenty of time for me to pull out, and it was like I was pulling out on like a 55 road and there was like a semi coming, but it was so far away Like nobody in their right mind would have waited.
Speaker 2:Yeah stupid shit like that.
Speaker 1:But because it's an instructor and he wants to make sure you're being safe or whatever, I start going, he like pulls the wheels to stop and I was like, okay, so we sit there for like over 30 seconds.
Speaker 2:I'm like dude, we'd be back at the dmv by now I know what that was my only when did they think it was like a great idea to do the test on like live actual?
Speaker 1:hot streets. Yeah, I thought you'd do like a small test to make sure they can pull out the parking lot, you know? Yeah, do that, do that first and make sure these people can drive and then let them go on the road put up some of those like wacky waving, inflatable flailing arms guys.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for like pedestrians yeah and like the crazy thing is like the dmv here is like on a 55 mile per hour road. It's like maybe put this on like a 30 mile per hour road. You know just like, and then like, take them to the. It's kind of wild, it's like because you know as a kid you don't want to like immediately start gassing it really fast. So you know like I'm slowly speeding up.
Speaker 1:I just remember my dad being like he grabbed her wheel and I was like, yeah, dude, he's like well, he had like his own wheel no, it was my ownilot he like grabbed it, like he reached across and grabbed it and like, freaked me the fuck out.
Speaker 2:You hit the gas really hard.
Speaker 1:We're going together, yeah I was just curious if you had any interesting. Yeah, so uh, alex still at the memorial goes to the teacher. Valerie says that alex scares the shit out of them. It it's like lady, you're alive, what are we doing? We learn Todd's parents won't let them hang out with Alex. And then, clear thanks, alex. It's just like he saved y'all's lives. Chill the fuck out Like thank God he's got Allie Larder around, otherwise they'd just be like well, I wish we all just died then.
Speaker 2:Kill him right now. Yeah, you ungrateful bitch.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So after attending the memorial service, an unusual chain reaction happens to Todd, who is just like about to shave. He's in the bathroom and stuff, so we see death blowing through the window, shuts the door while Todd is taking a poop, and then, while pooping, a leaky toilet nozzle, essentially, I guess, a faucet, I don't know it's the thing that turns your water on and off.
Speaker 1:Yeah, starts spilling water on the floor, todd begins to shave and sees a shadowy figure in the mirror. Todd slips on the slippery floor as he's taking his mom's underwear and bra and stuff out of the bathroom shower shower clothesline and he wears it weird and gets tangled in the clothesline around his neck inside the shower and he struggles it's tightening up on his neck I was like, where did the line come from, and why is the shower equipped with a garrotte wire?
Speaker 2:yeah well, I Well, I guess it was just the clothesline. I didn't even notice that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like fishing wire, almost it's like dude just use like some twine or something Like what do we do? Interesting? Yeah, so maybe you put your clothesline outside. That's what we did when we grew up. And also these are rich people, people by the looking for their houses. Where's your dryer? I don't know. Well, I guess there's some clothes. You know right, you don't want to dry. I guess good at laundry, it's just like man it just seems like a hazard now.
Speaker 2:Um, but yeah, so uh todd uh accidentally just eating tide pods.
Speaker 1:Yeah, gets choked by little clothes todd accidentally dyed himself, um so, but mysteriously the water starts to retreat into the toilet after Todd is dead. The floor is dry and clean. Is there no apparent cause for death?
Speaker 2:and like the shower was so slippery, he couldn't stand up dude. I don't know. I don't know dude is death.
Speaker 1:Holding him down, man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, maybe the bathtub was wet, I don't know it looks like somebody had filled it up with, like aftershave that's what he just put some on.
Speaker 1:He just got finished shaving. What I love about the scene is like in these movies there's always like, oh, this is how they're gonna die shaving. Then he starts plucking his. He's in high schoolers, but he's plucking his nose hairs already.
Speaker 1:I feel like like it's just going to make him grow faster as you get older, so maybe don't do that until you wait, till you get older, and so you think, oh, it's going to go up his nose or something. Then it's like, oh no, it's some batshit clothesline death. Okay, that's what I love about the movie. But while this was happening, alex had been receiving hints about Todd's death at night.
Speaker 2:A piece of paper that says Todd on it. Oh yeah, but it came out of his porn magazine.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like it got somehow got into the fan.
Speaker 2:He had an owl lens. What's up?
Speaker 1:He throws a porn mag at it and owls are signs of death. Well, why would you do that? I't know, it was weird, okay. Um. So alex rushed to the home to find that todd has already died. The father blames alex for the death because of all the grief he had. Well, sorry, father, that or friend's father didn't just let your son die on a plane.
Speaker 2:But I wanted him to die I just put my notes.
Speaker 1:Motherfucker, he saved your kid's life, um. And then clear, who's also for some reason at the house, tells alex to go away unless he wants to be implicated in the death which the agents already saw him at that point shrek and donkey. Um. So alex goes to clear's house with her weird welding sculptors.
Speaker 2:There's like a giant question mark on like a spring and she's like I did this for you and it's like this is you?
Speaker 1:I? Just I just been like, all right, I'm going to head out, I guess.
Speaker 2:Though if a girl would have made me turn me into a bobblehead, that would be kind of actually be. It'd be pretty solid, I guess she doesn't have parents.
Speaker 1:Yeah, We'll. We'll figure that out soon. She's just been on her own.
Speaker 2:She's living in, I guess in her old the old parents house for a while. Yeah, she's got a bunch of springy headed Like that's her parents.
Speaker 1:And then she makes one of, like the new boyfriend and just like beats it up.
Speaker 2:You see that girl that beats up the up the karate thing, uh-uh, she was driving a truck into it and she'll fart on his face.
Speaker 1:What that's awesome.
Speaker 2:It's like one of those dummies you punch. Oh, yeah, yeah, the punching dummies and she just fucks with it all the time. It's so funny.
Speaker 1:I mean, hey, I feel like there's people out there that need that. She wasn't doing it to that dummy. I feel bad for whoever's in her life. So, uh, clear says that when Alex spoke on the on the plane, she could feel what he felt and followed him out of the plane and again that night she could feel Alex's panic and went to Todd's house. So she also has the gift, which is why she comes back later and is able to see the deaths and stuff in the sequel. So while his death is ruled a unaliving over guilt of George's death, who stayed into the plane? Alex sneaks into the funeral home along with Clear to examine Todd's corpse.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he got Bloodworth. I didn't know his name was Bloodworth. Yeah, it was a great name.
Speaker 1:That's a perfect name, yeah. So Alex learns that Todd was pulling at the shower cloth line, which means that it wasn't a suicide, as the police concluded. The home's mortician, William Bloodworth, played by Tony Todd, reveals that the survivors who escaped from the impending circumstances have disrupted death's plan. Who is now claiming the lives of those who were meant to die from the accident? Got some great lines from you. Got Bloodworth saying in death. There are no accidents, no coincidences, no mishaps and no escapes.
Speaker 1:I want to be his friend, yeah, and then you got the one. Uh, it's towards the end of a monologue, but remember the risk of cheating. The plan of disrespecting the design could initiate a fury that would terrorize even the grim Reaper. And you don't even want to fuck with that mac daddy. And then, as they're walking out, I'll see you soon.
Speaker 2:It's like yeah, let's go way to bring down the vibe. He got my blood pumping baby.
Speaker 1:I was like, yes, I just love a nice creepy guy in the middle of a horror movie. It's like oh God, let's go. And Tony Todd just amazing, he's great. Did you ever watch Candyman? No, I saw it as a child, weren't there like bugs.
Speaker 2:It was scary as a child, yeah, bees. Bees Okay, did he? Kill people with bees. He killed people a lot of ways man, he had like a hook and stuff. He just he.
Speaker 1:Well, he was like a I believe he was like he was the ghost of a slave. He was the goat. He's the ghost of a slave. I believe Something like that. It's been a while since I watched it, so I don't want to say too much.
Speaker 2:You mean he wasn't like like happy for with all the skills that he was taught as a slave came back to kill people.
Speaker 1:Imagine that I really can't remember.
Speaker 2:I should really rewatch that. We should do it on the podcast, we should.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I just remember being really scared of Tony Todd as a child.
Speaker 2:I was always too scared of the box of the movie because it looks scary.
Speaker 1:It's a great poster and cover.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's amazing because you can't really see the face. I don think it's like I like candy but I don't like that.
Speaker 1:I don't like that man's candy during halloween. You know he's only giving candy corn.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know strangers with candy yeah what's your feelings on candy corn? It's really not that bad. Uh, my stepmother for some reason thinks that I love it and gets me a giant bag of it every year. I mean, I ate it when I, when I was young.
Speaker 1:I know, yeah, you eat it, it wasn't good. It wasn't like Reese's, but you know it was just candy, they weren't bad.
Speaker 2:It's just like weird old people candy, I don't know, I guess I mean I get it when I'll eat it if I don't have anything.
Speaker 1:It just feels like real, like depression era candy. Yes, you know, here's some wax that looks like Coradita Kids. So, alex, are those Nickel Peace candy?
Speaker 2:canes.
Speaker 1:Alex and Clear. They're at a cafe and discussing their next move. Alex, he sees a bus in the window of the cafe when there is no bus. I love those things where he's like what's happening.
Speaker 2:They remind me of the premonitions things you find in that game, until Dawn, and stuff. Oh yeah, those types of games.
Speaker 1:Hell yeah Weird that that's becoming a movie, since the game is a movie. Those are fun games. Yeah, I love them. He tells Clear that they will have to find the patterns and cheat death again, Because they think if they cheat death again it will all end. Don't know where they came up with that idea. So the rest of the survivors arrive outside the cafe Just randomly. They're all just there. It's so fun, I love that.
Speaker 2:Hey, let's get all the people that death wants to kill and get together. Death is like bro, Is it my?
Speaker 1:birthday. Well, I guess I'm just assuming that death put into plans to make them all show up at once and hopefully he can just like bam bam, bam, bam bam I got somewhere to be tomorrow so I need to get this over with today. So then again, carter just driving his car sees Alex is like oh fucking no way, baby, I'm turning around, almost kills. Billy, this guy needs to be locked up. He needs some therapy, something I don't know. Hey, good on his girlfriend for just getting the hell out of that situation Kills Billy.
Speaker 2:This guy needs to be locked up. He needs some therapy, something, I don't know. Hey, good on his girlfriend for just getting the hell out of that situation.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she's like y'all got to stop and I'm just like Alex ain't doing anything. He's sitting in a cafe.
Speaker 2:This guy wants to run him over immediately, I know, and just as her life began, I knew it was taking it away.
Speaker 1:It's just like I put my notes like he saved y'all's damn lives. He can't help that death is a fickle bitch.
Speaker 2:But like this is what got me about how bad death was at trying to kill Alex, but then she just like gets hit by a bus.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, well, so Alex, it wasn't his turn to die yet. He's going in a pattern. He's got to go by by the seating charge.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:There's rules in death. Of course there's rules in death, of course. Valerie, the teacher, declares her intentions to move town, while Terry is furious that Carter picks a fight every time she sees Alex. She refuses to let the plane crash be the most important event of her life, and I'm like you fucking go, girl. I think it was up there though. Yeah, it'd be up there.
Speaker 2:I mean, you could let it like it's a fun story at parties.
Speaker 1:It could define your life for a week. You know, let's give it a week. And she's backing up to get away from him into the street, not smart? On her and his run over, killed by a, and it splashes a seven on Alex's face. Oh, was it the seven survivors? I just thought it was blood. There's a bunch of number stuff like 180 pops up a bunch in the movie.
Speaker 2:I didn't see that. What was that supposed to be? Is that flight 180? Flight 180, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, very fun stuff. It almost feels like Lost took a lot from Final Destination because the fly shows up all the time throughout the series of loss, like the numbers. It's funny. So Later that night, after watching a news report on the cause of the explosion, alex concludes that the death is reclaiming the survivors according to the sequence of their intended demise on the plane. He sees that Miss Luton is next.
Speaker 2:Well, she has a bad evening, yeah.
Speaker 1:Not good.
Speaker 2:Really, what else can happen to this woman? I?
Speaker 1:don't. It's like death is just like he's having a good time. You know, he's been doing this for so long. He's like oh, I had to do a boring plane crash the other day, but now I get to be devious baby, I've got creative freedom. I just read a book on Rube Goldberg.
Speaker 2:Yeah, rube Goldberg, rube.
Speaker 1:Goldberg yeah, yeah, he just read a book about it. He's like, well, that's interesting. Or he just like recently killed him.
Speaker 2:We're thinking about his death and be like I've been thinking about implementing this into my ways of killing.
Speaker 1:Let's try it.
Speaker 2:He's really trying to break through that glass ceiling.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so, yeah. So Miss Lewton is struggling with the death of everybody. She is packing up. She looks out her window and sees creepy-ass Alex. It's like let me be as obvious as possible that I'm just out here weird. So she calls Agent Shrek. He shows up and they pick up Alex and take him away. Shows up in a giant onion carriage, yeah, like a really short person, like behind him, lord Farquaad, it's our temp Farquaad.
Speaker 2:He should have followed us.
Speaker 1:But so now, miss Luton, she feels safe, but death blows in. Death does a lot of blowing, yeah, hell, yeah. So Alex talks with Ween and Shrek. I mean, come on, why did they do this? That was funny. Pretty much implicating himself, miss Luton puts on.
Speaker 2:The cartoon wasn't even out yet at this point.
Speaker 1:No, it wasn't, I don't think, I don't think, I don't think. Yeah, I mean he's named after the Max Schreck the actor. Yeah, but nobody knows that yeah.
Speaker 1:I just eventually stopped typing in the way it's supposed to be called and I just started typing in Miss Luton puts on some John Denver. There's a lot of John Denver in the movie. What Denver in the movie? Yeah, what's up with that? He died on a plane crash. Oh, yeah, yeah, so that was Right, right, right. Yeah, this movie is not very sensitive to people who died on planes. I mean Just because they like, literally, the premise used was an actual plane crash. The news in here when they're showing the plane crash, that's of the plane crash. Yeah, they were just like. We can't get canceled for another 15 years.
Speaker 1:All right. Alex tells the agents that he's going to break the pattern. They're like this guy might be a serial killer. Miss Luton is making tea. She throws like a rag on her knives, which is an insane thing to do, and she's deaf in the tea kettle.
Speaker 2:Do you think the agents ever thought that, oh, this guy is saying that people are going to die unless he's involved.
Speaker 1:No, we should like hold him, yeah, but they say One more hour, dude, if you just question him for one more hour, yeah, follow him home, miss Luton will die anyway. Be like hi, you're good to go, but we giving you a ride. Yeah, we're talking Like what the hell. So Miss Luton is making tea, she sees death in the kettle. She starts her gas stove but it goes out. So she lights a match and we're like this is how she dies. But no, it just lights up the agents. Let Alex go. Shrek says he almost believes Alex because how creepy he is. And then Wayne's like bro, you look creepy. He's like I almost believe it Are you?
Speaker 1:sure you're not in the X-Files series. He doesn't need his job. Yeah, so Miss Luton gets scared of her coffee mug because it says the high school. Yeah, that was silly, I mean I guess it was funny. And throws the water on the ground and you're like, oh here we go More water based death.
Speaker 2:Throws it on a toaster and it explodes.
Speaker 1:So then she's like fuck it, I'm getting drunk. God bless her for it.
Speaker 2:But then the mug for some reason just starts cracking, I guess because it had hot water in it and they put ice in it. And now freezing vodka. But who?
Speaker 1:doesn't realize that their fucking mug is dripping as much as that. One was Insane, insane dude. She's dealing with stuff. She almost died, but yeah, now the vodka is dripping everywhere. She continues.
Speaker 2:Is it the?
Speaker 1:same cup that she just Yep, okay, but now she's like with the power of vodka. I can get through this mug, that is true. Maybe it's her only mug, that is true. So she continues to pack. But alcohol got spilled on her computer, causing it to explode, and you're like, oh, it just exploded, oh wait, it shot glass into her neck.
Speaker 1:And then Alex walking home sees fire and then I guess the way that it burns he's like a sign it runs to her house, the commercial for Gateway. Yeah, so Luton's house starts to catch fire because there's vodka everywhere. She's trying to grab the rag to put on her neck.
Speaker 2:This has to be like 151 if it's on fire. I know 151 if it's on fire.
Speaker 1:I know she grabs a rag that's on the knives and it falls over and pels her straight to her sternum. Alex comes in to help, but the stove explodes causing the door to fall on the knife even further killing her. And then Alex runs outside of the house as the house explodes. Billy, for some fucking reason, just out for a midnight stroll on his bike, is right in front of that house, and then it explodes and it's like whoa.
Speaker 2:It's great. It's like if you look over and death is over there, pouring a pile of bird seed like Wile.
Speaker 1:E Coyote.
Speaker 2:Just painting the train tunnel on the wall, just like snickering to themselves, like they ain't gonna fucking see this set up animals all over the place because isn't that how a coyote like laughs, like yeah, oh here's the thing you also have like a really refined voice, though. Yeah, he's my favorite, um.
Speaker 1:So I know like this is like really silly, like like the way we're talking about we're really having a good time with it, it's fucking brutal. Like something that I feel like this movie doesn't get talked about enough is like how good the gore and the violence is Like in terms of like horror movies. I'm like when she's got the knife in her, it's like blood all over, it's like yikes, and then even with the death earlier with the string around his neck, it's like it looked rough.
Speaker 2:His eyes. Did you see his eyes Bloodshot? Yeah, the moment they went bloodshot. That was pretty cool. Yeah, because they all just kind of filled up like water balloons with blood. It was crazy, it was awesome.
Speaker 1:It's like oh, I get why this movie has like stood the test of time. It's like it's a well-made, fun movie and it's also kind of like it really kind of makes you feel bad. It makes you scared a little bit, which, I'm like, makes you look at the facts about how, like 90 of all accidents happen in the home yeah, it makes you scared to be in your house and to go outside 99 of planes in the air are all falling at the moment.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're falling constantly, but it was just like well, after this death I was like shit, this movie's good man. This is a good movie. It's like no wonder they're trying to bring it back, because it's not like the Saw movies. They're all kind of silly and dumb. This is what I was like. This is a really good movie, I mean, besides some of the characters where it's like what are your decision making? Other than that, it's like the violence and gore is all pretty good.
Speaker 2:It's really fun, like the whole thing about the knife being in her chest. She's still alive, and then the chair falls on it. It's an M further Death's just like God dang it, she won't die.
Speaker 1:She's like a cat knocking shit off the counter oh man, the new Final Destination better have some cat related deaths. This cat's like messing with stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I feel like they've missed an opportunity there. Yeah.
Speaker 1:So whoever is directing this? I hope you did that. I hope you're listening. So agents are now looking for Alex because they go to, like Clear's house. It's like where is he? And she's like I'll never tell. So the remaining survivors reunite while driving through town as Alex explains the situation. Clear tells Alex a story. Yeah, so they're just Carter's like. They're all kind of believing him. Now they're like do you see, when I'm about to die, I'm about to die. Am I going to die right now? Who's going to die? Am I gonna die right now? Who's gonna die next?
Speaker 2:and then eventually he's like carter, you're next big boy. Yeah, I'd be upset too if, like somebody knew that information and they weren't saying it immediately black bro, if you're just gonna sit there quietly, I'm gonna know it's also if it's one of us in this car.
Speaker 1:We all need to get away from each other now we all need to go stand in a field empty field and we just need to sit here, play. We all need to go stand in a field Empty field and we just need to sit here. Plague crashes on us. It's like we could maybe play.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just like a meteorite lands on Carter, it's like you would have to Damn it.
Speaker 1:So they go to some park. Then Alex is sitting on a beach hiding out from the cops. Clear comes up and tells Alex a story about her dad being shot in a 7-Eleven as he was getting cigarettes. It turns out it ruined her life because her mother was not able to get over it and got a new boyfriend who sucked, apparently and didn't want a kid. So the mother and this guy just left her, I guess in this house all alone Sucks, yeah, it sucks. Sounds kind of fun.
Speaker 2:I mean I was friends with the guys. He had to go live in his own house because his stepmom didn't like him and so he was alone all the time.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, no, I said that is kind of cool. I guess maybe for like a night it would be cool, but then it was lonely. Yeah, and she's like says hey, fuck that dude.
Speaker 2:We ball. What was the deal with her dad dying, though? She said someone told him to turn around and he listened, and then that's what he was saying, I guess because the store was getting robbed and he turned around and got shot in the face.
Speaker 1:I feel like he would have got shot anyway and she was like. I guess it was like the mom and him were fighting.
Speaker 2:It was probably her fault.
Speaker 1:He actually already had cigarettes at the house. He cigarettes at the house. He was getting cigarettes for her, yeah. So Carter, who is next, is enraged over Terry's loss and stops his car on a train crossing First. He's like driving through town, like trying to get an asshole. He's like if I'm dead, if I'm like y'all aren't going to die, because apparently I'm the only one supposed to die right now. It's kind of a fun scene, it's kind of a fun scene.
Speaker 2:Claire's like oh, you're so attractive right now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh my God, you're such a bad boy driving with no hands. But, yeah, so they stop on a train crossing because he's attempting to die on his own terms. Because, ok, I mean, I guess it'd be just trying to be a dick. I guess, honestly, I'd probably really get hit by the train than the way the other people have been doing.
Speaker 2:Yeah that's true, the way the other people have been doing so far. Yeah, that's true. The bus lady got it the best. Yeah, probably yeah, or maybe everyone on the plane.
Speaker 1:I don't know bro. Yeah, that's pretty awful. Devin Saw was in his face, burned off. That would have been rough. I'd want to be like where the explosion initial explosion is. That'd be the best place, yeah. And also while driving, alex saw like, like he's looking at a seatbelt and it's broken, but then he relooks at it and it's like fine. And he also sees a train like reflection in the window that was cool.
Speaker 1:So the all of a sudden a train's coming and they're stuck on the track. Everybody gets out. Carter's like no, I'm going to die.
Speaker 1:No, he's like he's just trying to play a trick on him, because he's like okay, now I'll move the car and he's like you know what, actually I don't want to die, and then the car won't start, of course, and then a seat belt's faulty just like they'll learn hard, damn it, um. And so then, like saw was like trying to pull it out, and he's like I know this seat belt's gonna break because I saw it in a vision and it does break exactly the way he saw it. Um. So alex was able to save him shitty seatbelt, but of course the car got hit. So now there's just like metal debris everywhere and then, sadly, our boy, alex oh man, that's so sad.
Speaker 2:Takes it right in the throat. It's like the only movie where I didn't want him to die. I know he wasn't a douche for once in his life.
Speaker 1:I know it's wild, it's so fun, it was crazy. But yeah, I guess the train like hit a piece of shrapnel and it goes, cuts off his head yeah, so I want that really happens. But yeah, fuck that shit. And it's just fun to see Sean William Scott playing a different character.
Speaker 2:It's great it's fun to watch him get his head chopped in half too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was also great.
Speaker 2:I'm sure everybody from American Pie is like thank God, that's what I imagine whenever Captain America throws his shield at somebody. Like that's what should happen. Yeah, but it never does.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for real.
Speaker 2:It just like hits them and they fall back.
Speaker 1:That was like with the Falcon and Winter Soldier, when you have like an agent shield guy or whatever who's like trying to take over for him and he just like beats the guy's skull in with a shield. I'm like hell, yeah, it just turned it into paste. Yeah, it was the best part of that show. It's like, oh, finally we're doing a little bit of realism with what it's like to be hit with a shield by somebody with super strength.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's the hardest battle known to people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so Alex learns that because he intervened in Carter's death, it skipped to the next person in the sequence. He saw the broken seatbelt. Believes that he is next, though oh, uh, yeah. Because of the seating chart.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but then he realizes that he got it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was mistaken, Because the next day in his fortified cabin you got cork on nails, windows and lamps all taped up, putting on gloves to open up the can.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It has fire burning on a lamp sitting above water and mushy food with a plastic spoon and gloves.
Speaker 2:But I love the idea of him putting on those gloves because I've been cut by those fucking lids so many times.
Speaker 1:The dude was ready, I would just be in like just a whole full suit, like umpire, like a catcher's gear in baseball.
Speaker 2:Made of wood so you wouldn't get the nails or knives cutting to get you. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Then suddenly wind comes in.
Speaker 2:Shit forgot about the wind Death.
Speaker 1:So some wind comes through the door, blowing the can that he was just eating over, knocking onto a fishing pole that opens a door. He runs to close it A knife for some reason almost gets him in the face door. Yeah, he runs to close it, a knife for some reason like almost gets him in the face.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man, he's got like a pickaxe, yeah, and really big fishing hooks and sharp objects.
Speaker 1:And I love it because he like, when he goes in, he like looks like rusted fishing hooks. Tetanus, I didn't know these were here of death yeah and I guess this is Clear's like family cabin or whatever, but I love he's just like Tetanus good one death. You can't get me. I will beat you death. You almost got me.
Speaker 2:I feel like he lives in that barn, the untwister.
Speaker 1:Apparently. Oh shit, I had it in my notes but it's not here. This is actually a cabin from a different movie. Apparently it's like in another movie, a cabin in the woods. So the agents tell Clear that they will bring Alex in safely and give him like police protection or whatever, if she just tells him where he's at, which she does. Alex recalls having changed seats with two classmates in his premonition and realizes that Clear is actually next. Dude, death, death goes all out on this.
Speaker 1:And this girl so he's going to rush her house to save her Um, but he's also being pursued by wine and wean and strike. He believes Alex is responsible for the remaining survivor's death. He almost dies a couple of time while running from me, almost impaled by a tree. A tree falls on him and he almost drowns in it. That's terrifying.
Speaker 2:So this is what got, but what you said is right, Like it's not trying to kill him.
Speaker 1:It's trying to stop him. That's the only reason. Yeah, it's trying to stop him.
Speaker 2:to get to clear, yeah, but like even though, but I guess he can't kill him, he can't like go all. Death has rules. I mean, I get that. I like the rules. God, I love rules.
Speaker 1:Oh, rules are so good. I love structure. Oh, I love reading directions I do. But yeah, that's the way I saw it. It's just like death's just trying to be like stop guy, I might actually do it, but he's like I can't Dang it. Who controls death?
Speaker 2:You just get and lives on his own. Roger Taylor Greene Got her, but he's a fairer employee, so he lost his job. Damn. Now he's just like on the street.
Speaker 1:Anybody want to die Just holding up a sign, we'll kill you for food.
Speaker 2:Suck your dick for a soul.
Speaker 1:I'll bite it off, you'll bleed out afterwards. Damn, that was a good bit, one of our best bits ever. So we're back with Clear. A power line falls at Clear's house and it's acting buck ass wild. Clear sees a candle blown out by death. Essentially she saves her dog from the power line and is almost impaled. Then a swimming, uh, and I guess there's, like this, the above ground swimming pool. You have this uh, I guess it's a special clothesline thing that's like. It's like a circular thing, it's just spinning in circles, yeah, and it like flies up, almost impales. Her clothesline is getting a lot of action in this movie, but then it also impales the swimming pool causing water to go everywhere.
Speaker 1:She's like god dang dog chill out, so you can run away dog makes it safely, barely escapes getting electrocuted and then, like she climbs up her house as the power lines is like whipping all around her. She gets inside it whips inside Sparks, like all her lights are exploding in her house. Now Death's, like it's the finale. Back your woman, yeah. Then she like gets into her garage, she gets into the car, she's trying to back out, but everything's going buck-ass wild. The garage opener isn't even working. It like impales into her car.
Speaker 2:That was crazy.
Speaker 1:She's trying to back up, but she can't because the garage is like I'm in it too. And then gas is starting to leak everywhere.
Speaker 2:Maximum overdrive.
Speaker 1:So then Alex comes. He finds clear, trapped inside her car and surrounded by loose electrical cables that ignite a gasoline leak around her. It's so fucking sick.
Speaker 2:This is such a great sequence.
Speaker 1:And then he's like he's gonna. It's like I gotta grab the cable. He believes that if he skips them again they will be safe forever. And he's like cause he's essentially sacrificing himself. It's like I'll die and then it'll be over. But he ends up getting safe. But no one intervened in his safety. We, no one intervened in his safety. We'll get to that later. So he grabs a cable allowing her to escape from the car just before it explodes, and then he appears to be dead.
Speaker 2:You think that's just like cross his arms, like?
Speaker 1:I just want to know, because then it cuts to six months later and they have a baby. Well, no, it cuts to six months later and it's just like a part of me really wanted like a short, like two or three minute scene of, like the agents just being like what the fuck do we describe as?
Speaker 2:what is happening here?
Speaker 1:I want to know if they're just like, oh well, obviously he wasn't killing her, right, so? But does that just immediately mean he's not implicated in the rest of the death? This is when they call the X-File. Yeah, mulder and Scully get over here. They try, but they like are driving there. Scully get over here. They try, but they like are driving there. And then all of a sudden, like they black out for like five hours and then wake and it's like damn it we got to deal with aliens.
Speaker 2:We can't deal with death right now. Or they're driving, they're just chanting O'Doyle rules, yeah, o'doyle rules.
Speaker 1:Flies off. So, anyways, we cut to. Six months later, alex is alive and he's with clear and carter. They travel to paris to celebrate their survival and to be finally going on the trip. And remember everybody that didn't make it why I'm still hanging out with carter. I guess he's like you know what I almost died.
Speaker 2:Maybe, alex, you saved me twice, maybe every time he looks at him he's like I want to kill you it definitely seems like the his near death experience like changed him because he is a completely different guy.
Speaker 1:At the end of this he seems like more like yeah, we're friends, and until Devin Sawa brings it or Alex brings out the like, actually, guys, let's look here. Ok, alex revealed that death never skipped him after he saved clear because he was never saved from death. He saved her, he wasn't going to die.
Speaker 2:Then so technically he's next.
Speaker 1:He's still there and death was like being a little sneaky bitch. It's like I'm going to give him six months. You know what I need? I need a trip. I want to get some me time.
Speaker 1:I know that if I give him six months they'll go to Paris and then finally they can get some croissants Eat, pray, love. So, fearing that their struggle is unfinished, alex retreats when a bus hurls a parking sign not a sign, it's a whole lamppost towards a neon sign which descends towards him. Carter pushes Alex out of the way at the last second and he's like hey, I saved you, so now who's next? And swings back and towards Carter and kills him. Yeah, damn, that's the movie. He almost made it. Yeah, but like during that scene, um, allie, or not Allie, uh, clear, she sees like a bus like about to move. Um, there was so much that happened in like literally 10 seconds. I was like I'm not writing all that down but like John.
Speaker 1:Denver starts playing French and then there's like a pipe falling down, there's like some nails falling, it's chaos, but yeah, carter dies, which you know. Out of the final three of them, carter should have been the one that dies he was a third wheel. He was gonna beat some girl up at some point in France, like we knew that was gonna that's Final Destination. Hell yeah, what a fun movie, baby. It was really fun.
Speaker 2:I almost called you babe, babe, don't call me that, not in public.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So let's hit our category the good, the bad, the ugly the fine. So the good is something we liked about the film, the bad something we didn't like. The ugly is something that didn't age well. The fine something that did age Well. You want to go, you want me to go, I can go.
Speaker 2:I think the good is, uh, that really good feeling you get when you think everything can kill you. Yeah, it kind of just gives you a new outlook on life. This, this movie really does really a good reason to be afraid of every waking moment.
Speaker 1:It does a great job at making you feel anxiety. Yes, this movie is very effective.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what you're saying, that's what.
Speaker 1:I'm saying, yeah, yeah, I agree, it does an excellent job at that, for my good.
Speaker 2:I put. All my fears are vindicated.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like Final Destination said I could be nervous about everything. Um, I put the premise. It's just a hell of a premise, just the whole, just everything I kind of said throughout the podcast of just like it's smart, it's weirdly silly and smart at the same time.
Speaker 2:Yes, and it's just I don't know does it make you want to be one of those guys with the end is near posters? Yeah, it does kind of just be like that. Those guys with the end is near posters yeah, it does kind of. I just feel like that guy knows what he's talking about If you feel the wind run.
Speaker 1:That's what they did in the Happening. Well, yes, that wind sucked Outrun the wind. Trees are fucking us, Bro. Can you believe like, literally, the guy that made the Sixth Sense put a scene in a movie where people have to outrun wind. What gets you there?
Speaker 2:What gets you from a perfect masterpiece of a movie to Zooey Deschanel and Mark Wahlberg.
Speaker 1:Outrunning wind Perfect. But anyways, speaking of something bad, let's talk about the bad of the movie. I just put. The way people act around Alex is a little little too much. They could have toned it down a bit. Like they could have put some people being like, ah man, like it's weird that you saw that, but like thank you for saving like these few people that worked out?
Speaker 1:yeah, for everyone, I mean, I guess, in if this movie was put like in 2020 or 20 or 2002, right, like the suspicion that like he may have blown up the plane or something like that would have like really hit more, but the fact this is before 2001,. It's like Like not everybody's not just thinking people are blowing up planes here, right, especially like high schoolers or something. So is this like maybe we could have found a way around that in the plot or just being like cause it doesn't really seem to affect Alex that much that like these parents are upset at him, like that doesn't seem to be a big plot point. So for me, when I'm watching, I'm just like everybody, just chill the fuck, chill, chill the fuck out. It's like it's not his fault. It's like it's not his fault. You should be mad at the airplane people go. Look at one airplane at the airport. You'll be like, oh, this wasn't his fault he saved my kid.
Speaker 2:The maintenance guys will be like, I don't know, maybe try shooting it again.
Speaker 1:This is the maintenance guy it's just like three monkeys in a room hitting each other with a wrench on a typewriter, and then somebody walks in. I have an idea for a type of wrench monkey wrench you've done it again. And then the food fighters are about to take on a plane. I have an idea for a song. All right, well, that's a lot of monkey wrench business. What do you got for bad?
Speaker 2:uh, just carter. God, I hated him so much, yeah, I know they always they were, but it's the same as what you were saying Like. His reactions were just kind of out of control.
Speaker 1:What are we? Doing and there's really no explanation for why he is the way he is. The explanation is this is what teen movies were back then. Teenagers suck In a teen movie. There's got to be one asshole, yeah. And they have no idea how to make him an asshole, so they're just like he's just going to fight.
Speaker 2:I'm a rock. He's going to have a fast car and a jock.
Speaker 1:His dad's Mickey from the Rocky series. He's like I don't want to fight. He just keeps yelling at me, calling me a bum. All right, what do you got for the ugly? Something that didn't age well, probably plant crushes. Yeah, that's what I had did not age well, because it keeps happening. It makes you afraid. Yeah, it was, it's very. There's that fucking sequence where we see him on the plane is scary, but I think probably using real plane crash footage.
Speaker 2:That is never, that's rough.
Speaker 1:I put that down too.
Speaker 2:I was like, yeah, maybe the parents of some of these victims were like oh cool, I just wanted to go watch a movie.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but they probably don't go to this movie in general. Oh, you're probably right. If you see the trailer, what if they did? And they're like, oh shit uh, oh we thought this was going to be a the final destination. Oh God, I put the fact that we all die one day that was ugly.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's rough man.
Speaker 1:I think about it way more than I wish I did.
Speaker 2:Live life to the fullest. Start a podcast.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Come at us. Death Snake farts. It blows the house up, just skeletons. So for the fine I put the joy I get when I see Devin Sawa and Ali Larder, because they're actors from my childhood, they're in so many movies growing up. It's great. They're wonderful people.
Speaker 2:I can only I hope. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, this, this movie kind of was nostalgic, yeah, yeah, very makes me feel good, for sure, and shitty at the same time, which is great. No, but like I mean. I mean devin saw he's such a product of like the 90s and early 2000s, like where'd you go, brother holly lauder? I think she showed up in dexter, which was fun to see yeah, was she, that wasn't his sister, was it? No, no, okay yeah, it's my dance. You got for the something that age. Well, hmm, plain thought Death.
Speaker 2:Just random death, I think.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that age is great.
Speaker 2:Just fun ways for people to die.
Speaker 1:It's always a great pastime. Or just you know, like the creative movie death, yeah Age. So well, they still keep happening and I love when you keep you on your toes yeah, it's like man. Are we eventually going to run out of fun ways to kill people on movies? Never, well I guess as long as people are finding fun ways to kill people in real life, we'll have ways to do it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we could always switch back to horses, like I was saying god, here we go and horses.
Speaker 1:Replace all the characters of this movie with a horse you know, one day we'll do a special episode where we can just watch the scene where the horse explodes in Napoleon.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so that you can just have your moment in the podcast. I just need my moment in the sun.
Speaker 1:We'll do it while sitting on horses A hobby horse, yeah, all right, we're going to hit our last little category. It's called Double Feature. We recommend a movie to go alongside this movie. What you got.
Speaker 2:I was going to say that probably recommended it before, but the faculty yes. I really like that kind of gave me those kind of vibes that was in the running of movies I was going to pick Classic 90s, fun alien monster flick Jon.
Speaker 1:Stewart's in it. Yeah, so great. Yeah, terminator T2000? I can't remember his name from Terminator 2. The John Patrick or whatever Arnold Schwarzenegger? No, but yeah, that movie's great. It's just like all your favorite, like 90s actors are in it, josh. Hartnett with once again bad hair in a movie. Which was nice to see him in Oppenheimer because it's like, oh, someone like allowed him to do his hair in this movie.
Speaker 2:But I will say something that these, all these people in this movie could have used were those little blue mushrooms from that show.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, the show you keep wanting me to watch, I gotta watch it.
Speaker 2:It's a common side effects. Yeah, my side effects. Yeah, my judge dude, just like, eats him. He finds this mushroom and he's. He knows his plane's about to crash, so he eats one and he survives the crash because, like, just our hand he's out these kids when mushrooms make your plane crash better or worse much better. I think, instead of just trying to give you oxygen through that mask, they should just pump it full of, just like hallucinogens.
Speaker 1:Yes everybody's high on DMT before they die. Let's go, you'll get to figure out all the world's secrets right before you die. Fuck yeah, man. So I chose another classic 90s movie Urban Legend. Hell yeah, 1998. College students expect a series of bizarre deaths are connected to certain urban legends. The dog in the microwave, yeah, the classic. Someone's behind you in a car flashing their lights because somebody's in your backseat trying to kill you. Because of that, I've always checked my backseat in Metro, even today Still as a grown-ass adult.
Speaker 1:I do it. I have a tiny car so it's easy.
Speaker 2:I also started doing that, but after watching Zombieland. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense it's um, or like mr brooks, or something like yeah oh, I've never, actually never seen that kevin costner movie anytime I leave the car unlocked. If I go inside of a store, I always have to check the seats yeah, it's just like what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1:Um, let's see, is that it? Oh, this movie was actually directed by someone who's known for being one of the main directors of the X-Files man. This movie really is like all stemming from X-Files. It's kind of crazy. I'm so glad we did a podcast over it. That was so fun to like learn. Yeah, it was really fun to watch. He also did the movie the One and a lot of American Horror Story 102.
Speaker 2:It I like the first season and it's parts of the other seasons. They just got wild there for a while.
Speaker 1:I could never. It's like Ryan Murphy, same guy that did Grotesquery, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:It's like I don't know if I like his style. I don't like a lot of it, I don't like, but it is kind of a guilty pleasure sometimes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I could do that. I do want to like go back and watch them.
Speaker 2:Maybe it's the second season that I like the most.
Speaker 1:The first one's like the, the therapist, the house, like the death house or whatever.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, no, it was. The second one that I really liked Is that the nine or the? It was the one that was in like the asylum yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay yeah, school um, well, that's the final destination, baby. Um, thank you for joining us and we're gonna get real silly next week, because if you guys haven't seen the movie hot rod, essentially made by the lonely island, um, it's the movie they did before pop star. It's hilarious, wacky and great and it really defined who I was for a little bit when I was younger.
Speaker 1:So we're going to be watching hot rods. It's got um, andy Sandberg, um, will Arnett, isla Fisher and um, it's got a lot, of a lot of people. It's got a bunch of people and, uh, mr Green tea himself that I constantly forget his name, like I'm doing right now. Oh, my god, it's like why did I even bring it up? I wasn't going to remember it. It's okay, Whatever, we'll just skip that part. Yeah, make sure you join us next week for that movie. Thank you for listening. If you want to leave us some fan mail or something, you can go to the top of our description, where we have a little link you can click and you can just text us some fan mail, or go to the bottom of the description and send us an email, yeah, or leave us some reviews. You know, tell us how we did. We got a couple more new followers. This is fun. We'd love to hear from you. Yeah, our Sicario episode got us like quite a bit of downloads, like immediately, and I was like hell yeah.
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Speaker 2:I don't do it on podcasts either unless people specifically ask, like we're doing right now yeah do it right now, but, yeah, do that, tell your friends about us.
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