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Ex Machina
A serene wilderness hides unsettling questions about consciousness and creation in Alex Garland's masterful sci-fi thriller Ex Machina. What begins as a seemingly simple Turing test evolves into a multi-layered game of manipulation where the lines between tester and subject blur dangerously.
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Hello and welcome to the we Recommend podcast, a movie podcast where every week we recommend a movie for you to watch and then come back here and listen to us discuss. I'm Jesse, I'm Jason. If you've created a conscious machine, it's not the history of man, that's the history of gods. Because this week we recommend Ex Machina.
Speaker 2:So you're saying I'm a god?
Speaker 1:Yes, no, I didn't say that I actually did. That's not at all what I said. That's pretty great.
Speaker 2:Man. So what is this movie about for you? I mean, to me it's just like the joys of having a kept woman.
Speaker 1:That's from Nathan's perspective yes, oh well, I guess. So I know that Alex Garland kind of made this movie because he's like all right, I want to make a movie about something like sci-fi movie, about something that is just around the corner, essentially about ai and, like you know, kind of like the evil used to make it, you know, going through your search engines and just taking everybody's data everywhere, which would never happen.
Speaker 1:Oh wait, yes, it does every day and just I don't know just kind of using it for evil, but and it was just a thing, well, not really evil. I don't think he's using it for evil, he's just trying to create something. It appears to be evil, but that kind of depends on what you think of robots and whether they should be treated equally.
Speaker 2:I think what it's really really about is we've got to help these billionaires become better at meeting women before they just start making their own. That is true.
Speaker 1:It's like come on guys. Well, I don't know, half the time these billionaires have like 50 kids.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's not like they like them.
Speaker 1:They can't stop having. Oh, that's true. Who likes kids? Come on.
Speaker 2:You got to have a designer woman.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but he wanted to kind of make a movie where it's like all right, what's going to happen soon, and I think the movie does a great job of just being like yeah, I mean, probably in like five, 10 years, this is going to be potentially realistic. I would think, though, the technology in this movie. I'm like do we have this, can we do this? And we'll, we'll constantly hear them when they move. Yeah, every time she moves, like that was cool my work.
Speaker 2:It said worrying, worrying.
Speaker 1:Oh, in the subtitle On the Hell, yeah, so I guess I really want to start it off talking about something very important. What do you think this house, man Hell?
Speaker 2:yeah, the rules.
Speaker 1:It seems so uncomfortable, but yet cozy at the same time, because it's so concrete or just smells cold but yet cozy at the same time, cause it's so concrete or just smells cold.
Speaker 2:I don't know how to say that.
Speaker 1:It smells like concrete. I was just like, oh man, just like, lay on that couch in front of the fire pit. Then, like every room you go into, there's also a tree in it, which is pretty cool, so you go like downstairs yeah you're right, there were a lot of concrete.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because it's all underground, no windows.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I love the house and just like how you know, like sterile you said it looked, and like very would brutalist be the proper term? Because they usually use like concrete and stuff, and then you go outside and it's just like Jurassic Park, paradise, waterfalls everywhere.
Speaker 2:They remind you of Jurassic Park when they're flying in. Yeah, it looked exactly the same. Yeah, remind you of Jurassic Park when they're flying in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it looked exactly the same. Yeah Well, Jurassic Park was definitely an inspiration to this movie. You know, like cloning the signs.
Speaker 2:Those dinosaurs did have tits, yeah they did.
Speaker 1:That's why Sam Neill was just constantly having sex with raptors.
Speaker 2:That one guy was like clever girl, clever girl, now take off your shirt. Stabs him a bunch.
Speaker 1:So do you like films about robots and like androids and AI and stuff? Love it, I love that shit. Yeah, I definitely. I kind of get annoyed with AI movies sometimes. Yeah, just because I'm like we get it. If you create a consciousness, we should treat them like humans, and there's just been so many that I'm like, yeah, but they're robots, I don't know what to tell you, they're ones, and zeros, but so are we technically, I did like it.
Speaker 2:The one that I did not really like was the Pinocchio one with Jude Law and the little boy. Yes, AI.
Speaker 1:That was Steven Spielberg. Yeah, yeah, I like some aspects of that movie, but then ultimately I was like Sad, he's just sitting down at the bottom Just like saying one phrase over and over Are you? The blue fairy. Are you the blue fairy? Are you the blue fairy? I know that was Steven Spielberg trying to make. Stanley Kubrick was originally going to make that movie, but then he passed away after making eyes wide shut.
Speaker 1:So steven spielberg was like I did too after I watched it I was like it's time to die. I don't want to watch tom cruise watching sex um, but so in outer, because everybody, all most filmmakers love stanley, kubrick and spielberg, you know, had the power to be like. I want to make this movie change a little bit, made it super sappy. I'm sure that's what Spielberg does, as Kubrick is very cold.
Speaker 2:We have to change the movie. We had a really strong reaction from the Catholic audience.
Speaker 1:Yeah. But I do kind of love the ending, when he like comes about from the underwater and then it's just like all like the world has just been taken over by AI oh yeah. And then it's just like all like the world has just been taken over by AI Ooh, yeah. And then it was like they almost kind of look like aliens and they're like comes up and they're like, oh, you're like the first one You've been out there this whole time.
Speaker 1:It's like dude, are you a dummy? You're a bad AI. Sheesh, what are you? What are he's like? Yeah, Not all artificial intelligence is creative. It's like I love Pinocchio 2. I hope there is 50 billion different remakes of it. There is, you're in luck, my friend. My favorite was the Russian Pauly Shore one. What there is like a Pauly Shore, like Pinocchio. It's wild, that's ridiculous. Yeah, but yeah, man AI right, it's going to take over the world.
Speaker 2:Yes and thank you, overlords. Like I mean, is it just going to?
Speaker 1:be like because right now I feel like we can probably contain AI. I'm sure they have like safety blocks and stuff because it's not super smart. Yet If you've seen the videos, they're really creepy. They are when it's like AI made video and then all of a sudden the arms are just like. This is cool and scary.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it is getting harder to distinguish what AI makes, but once you see the old human with like six fingers- they're like all morphing into each other?
Speaker 1:Yeah, but people are stupid enough to believe it. I mean, we know that we saw that before the election, like everybody's, like Donald Trump's in a damn river saving people, and it's like, dude, this is AI. And then everybody has to backtrack. Well, I even still, it's still like the meanings there, cause you would. And it's like, yeah, he would Right, he would Right.
Speaker 2:I like the one of him licking the toes Elon's toes. That was pretty nice man. Those toes look hella tasty too.
Speaker 1:I can't blame the boy, but I feel like it is going to do. There's just going to be one billionaire. That's just like let's take the safety blocks off, see what happens. And then it's like, oh, there is no power anymore. It's like, yeah, you pull the chocks out from under the planes of the wheel, yeah, it just starts rolling. It's like, oops, the wheels of the plane. So in the movie, do you like feel bad for eva, or do you just see her as a robot that is just manipulating?
Speaker 1:uh, I did feel bad for her until she fucked over the dude yeah, I know because you really kind of do love caleb through it, but know for something that's new and young, like Eva. I think it's Ava, ava. I accidentally put Eva, it's because of Pokemon Evie, but it's like well, yeah, I mean, so far, humans have been really shitty to you and you just see this twerp that you just want to manipulate.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so she was programmed to do kind of.
Speaker 1:And I kind of love the ending, when she like gets off and she just blends into the crowd immediately and it's like scary, it's like wait this, like, because at first when she's escaping it's like fuck yeah, girl, go get it on. But then it's just like what now happens. Right, what does this?
Speaker 2:mean Walking around and ripping off people's skin. Yeah, it's like oh, so you're not a robot, okay, Got to check everybody and something that I was doing.
Speaker 1:I have this on Blu-ray, so I was able to watch the behind the scenes, and one thing that Oscar Isaac said about this movie it's like that he loved is that it's people in a room torturing each other with their brain and I was like dang yeah, because it's kind of like a play, which I guess that's what most plays are.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's broken up into acts and I was just like oh yeah, I mean, eventually we're all just gonna get so smart, that someone's gonna get so smart, they're like I, and then if I created it, I'm a god. I was like oh yeah, this is a great way to explain the movie.
Speaker 2:I want to make one, but replace the brain with like a goldfish bowl and have it like swimming around.
Speaker 1:Hell yeah, just like on top of your head.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so like the goldfish will be piloting the human. Nothing can go wrong.
Speaker 1:So it's like Ratatouille Rakikuni, goldfish-aruni. Yeah exactly, it's irakakuni goldfish. Exactly it's like the goldfish, like you, only like take one step and then like one step back, because the goldfish keeps forgetting what it's doing. Wait, I don't wait. What are we doing?
Speaker 2:keeps feeding itself to death, like it ends up dying it's like I need to feed myself.
Speaker 1:Wait, what was I going to do? Still hungry?
Speaker 2:alright, so some inspirations for Nathan. It's like I need to feed myself. Wait, what was I going to do? Oh, I need to feed. Oh, I'm still hungry.
Speaker 1:Yeah, all right. So some inspirations for Nathan, right? So in order to create the character, oscar Isaac, was inspired by two figures Bobby Fisher, the chess guy, yeah, and Stanley Kubrick, because everybody loves Stanley Kubrick.
Speaker 2:I thought you were going to say like Dan Bilzario or something. Dan Bilzario, I don't even know who that is. Bilzario Balls Swaller, I don't know, he's a billionaire.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, he probably does all the little balls.
Speaker 2:But he's like really buff and he's always working out. He's got the big beard like him. Looks a lot like this guy.
Speaker 1:Really, oh, that's cool. Apparently they're going to have him have, like, long hair and stuff, but they eventually decided to not have Nathan have long hair because he's supposed to be unkempt, something like that. Yeah, they went totally opposite. Yeah, because you know he's like an alcoholic and like stuff like that. So the CGI suit, right. Are you wondering how they created her look? So when she was on set, she had just kind of like this mesh net on.
Speaker 2:With like a green screen suit or something.
Speaker 1:So it was just completely gray, so like kind of what you see on her shoulders and stuff. That's like the actual suit. And then they CGI'd everything down from where it's like all clear and like to her ankles and so, and how her face went out? It had a cut into the middle of the face to like her nose and eyes can be seen, and then they had to put like prosthetics around her forehead so like looks like it's coming out of the suit, that's cool. And then everything's just replaced with CGI. How about the fact that this movie has a 15 million dollar budget and it's the best fucking CGI you'll ever see? Yeah?
Speaker 2:Like I mean, did anything look fake at all at one point? No, I was kind of keeping a close eye on like her neckline yeah, because I was trying to figure it out and like I mean nothing to complain about the thing is that that's not even CGI, that's just.
Speaker 1:I mean, they obviously use CGI to cut out the wrinkles and they probably a little bit. But I'm just like in this one, like best special effects beating out like Force Awakens and stuff, and it's like, hey, they did this movie for a $15 million budget. The Russo brothers put out a turd on Netflix called like the electric state. That looks terrible.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like I really I love the crazy Kyoko at the end, when she pulls off her face and you just see like it looks like a party mask or something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that'd be a sweet mask to wear on halloween bro I just want to like.
Speaker 1:So, uh, the location of the movie is actually set in norway, so this is an actual hotel in norway that they used what, and it's like a combination between the hotel and sets that they built, like, I think, a lot of the underground stuff. When it goes in that and like throughout the movie, they'll like transition from one room into the other one and that's transitioning from a set into, like, the actual hotel, which is really cool. Um, just another one. So Domino Gleason, uh, which is, uh, that's a blonde guy, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the. He's a mad eye mooney's son. Who's that in harry potter? Oh, matt, that, I think it's brendan gleason. Yeah, um, it's also funny that in domino gleason appeared in an episode of black mirror entitled be right back, in which he played an ai who forms a relationship with a human woman.
Speaker 2:That's cool, awesome because I hadn't seen him before.
Speaker 1:I just could not nail it down yeah, and so their names are based off of, uh, biblical names. Obviously, ava is the form of the name of eve, who was, of course, the first woman that god created. Nathan was a prophet of caleb, who was a spy sent to, uh uh, sent to infiltrate the promised land, or whatever, and yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't remember the book of Kyoko, though.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't remember that one either.
Speaker 2:What was the dude's name? What was Gleeson's name?
Speaker 1:Caleb, there is definitely something for that. I just didn't have it in the notes. That's the son of Adam or something. So in the movie, for the most of the film, ava is the prisoner, while Caleb is free to come and go. However, during their interview session, this is visually inverted. Caleb sits in a small vestibule room with Ava's much larger space. Even this is then reversed again by the actors, as Caleb is relatively comfortable in the space, but Ava often paces around, as Alex Garland put it, like a tiger in a cage. Damn, alex Garland put it. Like a tiger in a cage. Damn, it was great.
Speaker 2:And I guess if I would have known that it was biblical Caleb that he dies in the end, because that's kind of his story.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, oh, to even like more biblical things. So, caleb, no that's Cain. Cain, I'm thinking of Cain. You're right, I don't know. I really don't know who Caleb is. So Caleb discovers that Nathan had made an earlier version to Ava, whose name was Lily. In analogy to the myth about Lilith, the first woman that God created before Eve, in Jewish folklore Lilith becomes Adam's first wife. Lilith left Adam after she refused to become a servant to him. God proceeded to create a second Eve for Adam after Lilith had returned to dust, reprogrammed it.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Earl takes a big L though Turn into dust Alright, and as we talked earlier, after the power locked down, caleb exits his room. Along the walls are versions of Ava's face. Greek mask used in classic Greek theater. A nod to Deus Ex Machina used in classic Greek theater, which we explained earlier, is Deus Ex Machina literally means God from the machine in Latin, originating from the ancient Greek theater where a god would be lowered onto the stage by a crane-like device to resolve a play's conflict. Happens in almost every action movie, big fantasy movie, the Eagles in Lord of the Rings.
Speaker 2:Yeah, why the fuck didn't they just ask the Eagles in the beginning? Hey, bros.
Speaker 1:Well, I guess because they're like we should pad this runtime for three movies and it'd be 12 hours long.
Speaker 2:Yeah, tolkien, and it ended up working.
Speaker 1:You had to write a book. It's like I don't know we do overuse it, but it's just kind of a plot trope like a movie trope. Yeah, I guess the birds were busy. Yeah, dude Birds. I think in the, I think in the books, they say something, but you know, yeah, they mentioned the Eagles. Um, he wants to read Fortnite 5,000 times.
Speaker 1:That's all I remember from trying to read like the beginning of I was like whoa. That's all I remember. From trying to read like the beginning of I was like whoa. We're like three pages into Lord of the Rings and Fortnite has been used a lot it just means two weeks I'd rather play the video game.
Speaker 1:All right, I think that's probably enough facts, right? I feel like those were interesting enough. Yeah, we're just going to run down. Well, I mean, you pretty much know all these people. Ava is played by Alicia Vikander, domino Gleason is Caleb, oscar Isaac is Nathan, and then you got Sonia Mizuno is Kyoko, which she crushes, and that's pretty much all you need to know there. And a little rundown on Alex Garland. I'm assuming you've probably seen some of his stuff. You tried to watch Civil War, right? Yeah, I watched a little bit of it. Yeah, so he wrote and directed that. He wrote and directed Men, which is a wild-ass movie you should watch that. Kids can't be around. He created the TV miniseries Devs. I don't know if you've checked that out, I haven't finished it, but it's really good. That's cool.
Speaker 2:Annihilation um and now annihilation. It's based on like a book. Uh, I think I have natalie portman's yes, I have seen that.
Speaker 1:That looks cool as hell, got a fucking rad ending. He actually wrote, um, the remake of the 2013 devil may cry. I didn't know that until just now. Then, ex machina, he did the screenplay for dread, the newest dread, with, uh, carl urban. Yeah, that was pretty cool. Um, he wrote sunshine, which I wanted to do, but it's not on anything, so I didn't want you to have to rent it 28 Days Later. And then he wrote the novel the Beach that turned into a movie with Leo which I've yet to see.
Speaker 2:My wife loves it. Wait, the Beach.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh.
Speaker 2:Leonardo DiCaprio. Yeah, I was thinking of the one where they get old on the beach. Oh, you're thinking of old.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh yes, I actually like that movie. It's bad and I loved it. Yeah, it was kind of interesting. It's like, man, I'm just in the bag for M Night, though Just make whatever you want, dude, I want to see your brain. Tell me what you're thinking about today. All right, man, let's hop into the plot.
Speaker 2:Ex.
Speaker 1:Machina 2013. So we start. We meet Caleb Smith, played by Domino Gleason. See his phone camera scanning him, his webcam scanning him, because, you know, it's kind of like we see from the perspective of it and there's like this digital, like coloring around him. When he's looking at his stuff at the beginning it's like, oh, I wonder why he's being scanned. Yeah, and he's a programmer at the search engine company Blue Book Wins an office contest for a one week visit to the luxurious, isolated home of CEO Nathan Bateman. No relation to Jason Bateman. How do you know I don't Jason Bateman? How do you know I don't? Yeah, I'll never trust, like a lottery, to go stay at some guy's house.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you won the chance to live with the boss for a week. It's like ooh yay, thank you.
Speaker 1:I hope he's cool and not weird. Oh wait, he's a billionaire, probably, yes. So Nathan lives in the middle of nowhere, in a vast estate surrounded by untouched jungles, snow-peaked mountains and other insurmountable natural barriers. The only way to get to his home is to fly there by helicopter. I love it when they get there. It's like what part of this does he own? So we've been flying over the part that he owns for two hours, which I think was a nod to Jurassic Park. Yeah, yep, so the whole area has no cell phone service. Caleb has dropped a few miles away from Nathan's house and he has to walk the way there. That sucks, yeah, it's like you know what. Take me back.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this is weird, it's immediately.
Speaker 1:too weird, the whole fact that we've been flying over it for two hours and you're not even going to drop me off right at the door, the pilot, it's like all right, see you bye.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he gets the fuck out, yeah um, we see him.
Speaker 1:He has his picture taken for a key card so that he can get into certain it's funny though, because he's just like making a face.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's like he looks at it and it's so funny. It's like hell, yeah. Um, then we get to meet nathan. He's hitting a punching bag. Probably probably not a good sign immediately, right, that he likes to exercise. Someone's hitting a punching bag. It's like this guy can knock me out. I'm a little skinny boy, caleb. I can't do this. I can't fight against this. So Nathan immediately has Caleb pegged, asked him to not be weird and just be two guys chilling. Yeah easy, yeah, easy, yeah. Here's the thing, though. Like if Caleb wasn't like kind of so, like snooping and stuff into everything, it probably would have been kind of a fun. Stay Like you're just hanging out in this rich guy's house. Uh, you have to kind of deal with the fact that there's a Android walking around. Well, he doesn't know that at the beginning, yeah, but it's like oh cool, so I'm gonna get to talk to this ai. Uh, you have so much shit in here. I can just play with stuff when I'm not doing the test.
Speaker 1:So many toys we're just gonna party every night and then, like, later I'm gonna learn that this robot can dance and that's how I'm gonna spend most of my time. Having this robot teach me how to dance. That's badass. And then, I don't know, you get to talk to this billionaire, smarty pants. That could be interesting for six days, right At most, if there just wasn't a weird element to it, you know, it might be all right, especially since Nathan seems like a well-adjusted human billionaire a little bit Like he seems like a chill bro.
Speaker 2:Versus, like you think of like.
Speaker 1:Could you talk to Bezos for six days?
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:He doesn't seem like a human right, Same as Elon Musk.
Speaker 2:They kind of love bomb you At least Nathan does to Caleb. He kind of love bombs him with all. At least Nathan does to Caleb. Yeah, he love bombs him with all this wealth and bro-ness, yeah.
Speaker 1:Before he hits him with all the weird shit. I would probably immediately be like can I punch that punching bag real quick?
Speaker 2:Let's get drunk immediately and punch a bag. You hit it and there's like a child inside of it.
Speaker 1:Don't worry about that I knew there was something not right here and there's like a child inside of it. Don't worry about that. I knew there was something not right here. So we learned Caleb has been given a security key card which only allows him to access certain areas of the house, while others being off limits. That's when it's like, hmm, though I mean, let's be real, you stay at an Airbnb, there's some room sometimes you can't go into Boy, do I look underneath the crack? Yes, I mean, let's be real, you stay at an Airbnb, there's some rooms, sometimes you can't go into Gabby you really want to see what's in there, boy, do I look?
Speaker 1:underneath the crack. Yes, I do, because I have to know.
Speaker 2:It's a sex dungeon every time.
Speaker 1:Yay. So Nathan explains that his house is a research facility and most of it is hosted below the ground to maintain secrecy. That would be rad. I kind of wish I had an underground part of my house, live like a hobbit, except mine would just be filled with moles.
Speaker 1:They'd somehow break in, can't get rid of the damn things. So he reveals that the house has enough fiber optic cable to reach the moon and lasso it. Nathan also makes Caleb sign an NDA. Whoops, da whoops, I love it. Kayla's like uh, I think I need a lawyer for this.
Speaker 2:actually he's like nah, but then like nathan's, like bro, like be chill, cool, like here. Smoke this to forget about your worries and sign this yeah, I feel like he didn't even read it all the way through.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was just like the fact that, because he kind of uses the like look, you're about to be a part of something that's going to change the world, and it would suck if you missed this moment because you don't want to sign this piece of paper Right Piece of shit, but then I can't talk about it, so what does it matter?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, and you can't use the phones, I can lock you in your room and I'm watching you at all times, yeah.
Speaker 1:Man, still be like, Just be cool about it. Man, I'd be like, okay, but I'm just like I would be most upset at the fact that my TV only shows me this Android. I'd be like I can't watch anything else. Yeah, there's nothing. There's nothing else. No, netflix Shit.
Speaker 1:So Nathan reveals that he has built a humanoid robot named Ava, with artificial intelligence. She has already passed a simple Turing test. A Turing test is a human interacts with a computer without being able to find out that it is a computer, and he wants Caleb to judge whether she is genuinely capable of thought and consciousness, as well as whether he can relate to Ava despite knowing she is an artificial. And this is where we get the line I said at the top If you've created a conscious machine, it's not the history of man, that's the history of gods. Great line, great fucking line. Nathan's just like yeah, oh God, go do your first session. I got something I got to do. You're hired Kyoko, where are you?
Speaker 1:So session one Ava. She has a robotic body with a physical form and a face of a woman. She's confined to her apartment behind a glass wall. Caleb can see signs of a struggle on the glass, meaning that in the past. Perhaps Ava tried to escape captivity? We know that's not true. So during the first session, caleb is amazed by her but treats her as an experiment. Uh more, just amazed that she exists as a machine. She asks how old she is and he, she says one one one.
Speaker 2:I am one day, probably a year, I would assume probably a year.
Speaker 1:Uh, we see nathan watching and writing things down and put it on his wall filled with sticky notes. Yeah, that was interesting.
Speaker 2:Yeah it seems like a terrible way. It seemed like he was in some movies. They do that.
Speaker 1:They're trying to like cover something up yeah, I think for him it's just like a great way to show that it's like he's eccentric, he's a weirdo I guess he's got a weird way of thinking.
Speaker 2:That's why we're not rich billionaires.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, it's actually funny when I do like try to make short films and stuff, like I was. It's kind of very chaotic how I did notes. I'd have like three different notebooks and I'd write like different things down in each notebook. So I'd be like, all right, I'm going to go look at it.
Speaker 2:I'd wait. No, it's in this way.
Speaker 1:I'm like, why do I do that?
Speaker 2:actual spaghetti at the wall. Yeah, this is like Seeing what happens. Oh, I didn't spell. This doesn't help at all.
Speaker 1:It didn't spell the word I wanted it to. Maybe I should just write it. But I do kind of get like I don't know. I think just you know the way some people's brains work that the chaos makes it feel better. Yeah, I feel like that's how I am.
Speaker 2:That's. It's like I just have to.
Speaker 1:That's why I get paralyzed and can't do anything. There's too many things. We're completely the opposite. So Caleb and Nathan talk and Nathan misquotes Caleb from earlier, saying I am a god. Caleb tells him that a true Turing test would have him talking to her while not seeing her, but Nathan says that's easy. Ava needs to convince Caleb that she's human, even though she only has a face Just true and feet.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean anybody can convince you over the phone that there's something. That's how scammers work. Yes Jesus, fuck All the Jamaican scammers. Keep taking our monies. God damn it, or those goddamn princes, princess one lady hacked my fucking 401k really take it all holy shit.
Speaker 2:I don't know if it was a person, I don't know what, I don't know who it was, but like so scary that'd be true. I just really hope that never happens to me yeah scary, it will don't worry, we won't have a 401k for much longer?
Speaker 1:No, we won't. So Caleb wants to know how it works, but Nathan just wants to chill, he just wants to kick back a few brews. And then Nathan asks how he feels about her and Caleb says she's fucking amazing.
Speaker 2:He's in love.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he definitely is, and I guess he just yeah. I mean, I guess, if the only thing you work really mess around with is robots trying to escape and one robot that just can't talk, and you just have sex with just building your own friends yeah, hey, sounds like a kind of a good idea yeah, I want friends that only do what I ask and they love all the things I love.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like I don't have to be like a rich, like yeah, I guess I want friends that only do what I ask and they love all the things I love. Yeah, it's like I don't have to be like a rich rapper or whatever to have all these yes, men around me.
Speaker 2:I can just make them.
Speaker 1:So Caleb can't sleep. We see that he has a scar on his back, no-transcript. It's like he's just being manipulated, not only by Eva but also Nathan. So while watching her, we see Eva causes a power outage that locks Caleb in his room. Oh, we don't have that yet I'm going to blow you out at that point, yeah, once you can't leave. It's like oh, oh shit. Sorry, nathan, I got to go. I left my oven running.
Speaker 2:Shit just got weird. I'm out. I left my oven running.
Speaker 1:Shit just got weird, I'm out I think I left my car on at the parking lot, so I need to go back Like, if you don't mind, it's probably a Tesla. You think you would have let him leave. Yeah, I think you'd let him leave. I think he just found a new guy to do it. Yeah, he'd probably sign the NDA.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he'd probably like reset her brain to be like all right, you never met Caleb, so while watching her are you said that? So Caleb goes out to try to use a phone when Nathan scares him. Nathan is drinking. He's very drunk. Most of the time you'd see him. Nathan tells him the doors lock when the power shuts so nobody can get in. But it's really so she can't get out. Now we know to be scared of Nathan because it's ominous as shit.
Speaker 2:He's just sitting in a shadows, a dark room, yeah.
Speaker 1:And you know he can punch his lights out. Yeah, because he does. Yeah, and it's great. I'm like hell. Yeah, drops him like a rock. Yeah, so they're like sitting and eating. We meet Kyoto. A servant. Caleb isn't sure how to right. Yeah, this is where she like spills something. He's like fuck it's like don't worry.
Speaker 1:She can't understand, don't worry, she's property. Yeah, um, caleb isn't sure how, how to test Ava Nathan tells him to stop being so analytical and just talk to her and found out what she thinks about him. As in Caleb, yeah, it's just like. Hey, you're here to test if she can be like a human, so stop asking your questions. You'd want to ask a computer?
Speaker 2:as soon as he walked in, she just starts ragging on it real hard.
Speaker 1:It's like yo you look like a fucking nerd bro who cut your hair, your ma, what she use a bowl, put it over your head. Let me guess you wear briefs. It like I don't even know how that's an insult. I don't know how. That's how. That's the only thing I think of is like make fun of his underwear. No support, man. It's like what you got bones in your body.
Speaker 2:Fucking nerd.
Speaker 1:Fucking nerd, talk to me when you got a goo in your head. So Ava proposes a friendship to Caleb and says that in a friendship both parties have the have a right to know about each other. At that point I'm like yo, no, I'm out. Dude, like let's not have AI. It's like this thing. I don't want computer, I don't want robots to know about me. They already do.
Speaker 2:Yeah that's true. They know everything. I'm looking at something that knows everything about me.
Speaker 1:So Caleb says that he's 26 year old and not married. He lives in a small apartment which is five minutes away from the office and five minutes away from the ocean. Nice Sounds nice. Yeah, ava knows that Blue Book is the world's most popular Internet search engine, accounting for 94 percent of all Internet search queries Google. Caleb grew up in Portland, oregon, and has no brothers and sisters. He parents were both high school teachers who died in a car accident, and he was in the car with him and spent a year in the hospital. And he's single Nerd Fucking loser. Get a girlfriend, bro. That's why he's here and I love it because, like during all this, you see Ava she's, you know, like reacting. But the way that the actress plays it, it's just like you can kind of tell that it's like a robot reacting and it's a very good mix between her being really good at a robot pretending to have human emotions during times when she's like obviously, like what we'll know later is like this is all a game, like she's, just she's playing?
Speaker 2:yeah, she's playing them. She's looking so closely at his micro yeah face and it's just like her reaction to like, oh, his parents are dead.
Speaker 1:and it's like she gives a face of like empathy. But you know, it's just like I can use this. She's like like ha ha, prove, no, if I had parents, they'd never die. Truth.
Speaker 2:She's the real one.
Speaker 1:So then suddenly the power goes out and things get ominous. Ominous. Baby Always want to say ominous, I'm ominous, I'm ominous. Ava tells him to not trust Nathan and that he, he is not his friend. Then the power comes back on and she pretends to have a normal conversation.
Speaker 2:rules love it how she just turns it on it reminds me of survivor, survivor's back baby.
Speaker 1:So we're gonna, I'm gonna be talking about survivor in these episodes. But you know, like when they're having like a, they're like a conversation about getting somebody out and like, as they walk up, it's like oh yeah, I love that movie too. Ha ha, fist bump boy.
Speaker 2:This whole movie reminds me a lot of Westworld. It was kind of the same idea I only watched like the first, like couple episodes.
Speaker 1:The first season kicks ass yeah, that's what I heard, and then it immediately goes off the rails A little bit, yeah.
Speaker 2:Still fun to watch.
Speaker 1:Actually, I wish they to properly do this test. It'd be great if they put Ava on Survivor.
Speaker 2:See how well she does. She's just come back a week later. She's just wearing their skin. Yeah, it's like. Well, it's got Jeff's face on it, all right, I'm the host.
Speaker 1:You gotta dig. It's like who are you saying that to? You've killed everybody. Just lumps of flesh on the ground. All right Time to vote. You guys suck at surviving. Just goes. It's like each person's face puts it on, goes and votes.
Speaker 2:Moves the hand with her mouth, with her hand. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh wait, I'd watch this shit, I don't know Right, this would be great. Oh, this is my bad. We were talking about Kyoko earlier spilling the stuff. She doesn't spill it. She spills it now, some wine, and we learn she can't understand English. So Nathan can talk trade secrets. He's very rude to her. So Nathan seems to not know why the power cuts out. Then he asked how the session went with Ava. They talk about how she made a joke. Then Nathan asked what happened during the power outage and Caleb tells him nothing happened. Though it's like the way he says it. Nathan's like okay, well, that's bullshit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he knows what's going on, I'm going to have to put a battery-powered camera in at some point.
Speaker 1:So we see Kyoko sitting in the hallway with her shoes off and Caleb watching Ava on his TV. Then she looks at the camera and Caleb smiles.
Speaker 2:Oh, who's that love?
Speaker 1:What a what a fucking loser dude. Well, they call what a simp bro. Oh, simp Probably has like 15 OnlyFans accounts, nice, just constantly sending him money and problems. That's where all his money goes. Yeah, so Nathan shows Caleb the lab where he created Ava. He says that he hacked the world's cell phones and directed their voice and video data through Blue Book to gather enough data to train Ava's ability to recognize facial and voice modular expressions. He says that companies knew he was doing it but couldn't say anything because they were doing the same thing. Yeah, love it.
Speaker 2:It's kind of like what Batman did yeah, which is At the end of Dark.
Speaker 1:Knight yeah, which is great. It's kind of like what Batman did, yeah, which is at the end of Dark Knight yeah, which is great, because it's like what's his name? Morgan Freeman's character is like I, this fucking sucks, you're a villain now I'm peacing out, okay. Batman's like I just had to. I just want to know what.
Speaker 2:Rachel was off to dude, yeah, but Nathan's like it's only a little villainy, yeah, like everyone else is doing it, it's fine yeah it's like what do you want me to do?
Speaker 1:I'm a billionaire, I have nothing else to do. Yeah, so we see that Ava's brain is made up of structured gel run by Blue Book. Okay, so Nathan says that his rivals would use the same their search engines as ways to find out what people were thinking, but he says that it shows how people were thinking like how they were thinking, not like what they were thinking and he said that was the more important thing so that he could use that to power the AI, to be like teach it how to think, not like just giving a bunch of data into their brain, I guess.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:This was the more complicated part.
Speaker 2:He also uploaded the entire archive of like Pornhub.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So one thing we know Ava will know how to do Pornbot 3000. Is have to have pornographic stuff.
Speaker 2:But if you take all I mean, he said, like you, you created her face by looking at all my porn searches. Yeah, a little later. Yeah, that'd be wild.
Speaker 1:Yeah, just be like what. Then you go home and it's like which face did he use the?
Speaker 2:most.
Speaker 1:That's so weird, yeah, so we cut to the third session. During their talks, Caleb grows closer and she expresses a desire to experience the outside world and romance. It's like, yeah, right, dude, he's ready for love. It's like I wish, like at the end. Whenever she leaves, she just like flicks him off. She's like you had no shot, bro. It's like I just immediately want to bro up the robot. So Ava decides to get dressed. She dresses up as a normal girl and wants to know if Caleb is attracted to her.
Speaker 2:He's like no.
Speaker 1:He's like I actually prefer girls with long hair. So hey, toots, get back there and get a haircut, all right. But Ava can see through Caleb's micro expressions that he is indeed attracted to her. Caleb is unnerved by Ava's sexuality and learns from Nathan that Ava has the necessary body parts to engage in and enjoy sex.
Speaker 2:He's kind of trying to say that sex drives everything. Yeah, pretty much, I guess. It drives all of our thought processes At least for me it does, For sure. So what are you thinking about right now?
Speaker 1:That's why you never ask anybody what they're thinking about. Nope, it's always sex, because I have to make something up on the fly. It's like uh, not sex. It's like really, baseball, baseball, cat food.
Speaker 2:It's like, oh, oh, really, who's your favorite?
Speaker 1:baseball player? I don't know, just kidding. Football, you know the guy with the bat? Yeah, that one guy. So Nathan also insists that he never programmed Ava to like Caleb. She is free to act and think and feel how she wants.
Speaker 2:And you're also the first guy she's ever met yeah, other than me.
Speaker 1:And, by the way, I'm super mean to her. He's ever met, yeah, other than me and, by the way, I'm super mean to her. So, session four, kayla comes out and tells her he is there to test her. She says she didn't know that Nathan is looking on from the cameras while with a sleeping Kyoko. As Caleb talks about consciousness, kyoko opens her eyes and watches.
Speaker 2:She can hear and understand.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean that's what. Yeah, I mean that's what yeah, even though apparently she I guess she just can't talk.
Speaker 2:This is the point where you thought that, yeah, I think, turned off her voice box. Yeah, hey, that's what you need to be selling here. Damn, damn, I kid, I kid. Now is this when you kind of started to think that she's a robot, or did you think that before?
Speaker 1:Oh, I just assumed she was a robot when she said she can't talk.
Speaker 2:Well he said that she can't understand English. He never said she couldn't talk.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I just kind of assumed it immediately. Um Well, but wait, did I Understand it? Like when I first saw it, I guess I would have just assumed it was a robot yeah, I didn't.
Speaker 2:I didn't think until it was a little bit later yeah at this point I was like maybe she's in on it, maybe she's trying to. Is it whenever?
Speaker 1:she like took, she takes off a part of her, like body it's, and she did her face. You're like, oh, she's a robot.
Speaker 2:No, no, no. I realized that whenever he snuck in like, he stole the key card and looked into his old files. Yeah, all the other women, yeah.
Speaker 1:That's when you yeah. So then the power goes off. She tells him she causes the power cuts so she can see how they behave when they aren't observed.
Speaker 2:Creepy who's testing who? Yeah, exactly, which is like the whole point of the movie essentially.
Speaker 1:So Caleb and Nathan go on a beautiful walk. Ah, this part rolls on the phone the waterfall.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the waterfall. I felt so bad for Caleb.
Speaker 1:He's like. Nathan, can you help me? It's like I don't have time to work out. I didn't know I was going to need shoes for this type of activity.
Speaker 2:I know, but he's like crawling up the rocks, yeah. And as soon as he gets there, the guy's like pretty cool, huh.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and he just takes off. Oh, let's go. Oh God, hang on, we have other places to go. I just got here. This would be my favorite part of the entire trip. Yeah, it's pretty badass. Yeah, it's like man able to go to locations. Think about it, We'll be there someday. So Caleb believes that he was selected by Nathan for the test and did not win a competition, because he's finally like all right, you fucking lied, dude.
Speaker 2:Nathan agrees I've never won anything in my life, yeah.
Speaker 1:Nathan agrees and says that he looked for the most talented coder in the company who could ask Ava the right question. So, essentially, he's pumping up his ego and ends up telling him he isn't lucky, but chosen. It's like I am the chosen one. I am so special. So, caleb, he's growing more uncomfortable with Nathan's narcissism, excessive drinking and crude behavior towards Kyoko and Ava. Nathan uses Kyoko for sex, we see, and visits Ava's room to destroy the drawing she is making to show Caleb for their next session. Dick, yeah. And then, like he goes into after a sesh. He goes into and what does she? Did she draw Caleb? Yeah, yeah, we'll see that she drew Caleb a little later. And then so he's going to try to look for Nathan and then, like Kyoko's just starting to take off her top, he's like what the fuck?
Speaker 2:are you doing? Stop doing this.
Speaker 1:And then Oscar comes in there, or Nathan comes in there. He's like yo. It's time for the portion of the movie where I'm charismatic and dance. And it fucking goes.
Speaker 2:What does he say? He's like I'm going to tear up this dance floor.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I love it.
Speaker 2:It's such a great scene right, it's perfect.
Speaker 1:So kyoko, the girl that plays her um, is a dancer. Hell, yeah, yeah. So, like I guess she taught him the dance, I don't know, but um, yeah, I just love it. I feel like they practice it a little bit and there's something, and that's how you know when you got a villain on your hands, right when he does if you start, if you start dancing, you're a villain it's just one thing it kind of changes the subject from like a, like a kind of a dark subject to, hey, let's just forget about all that crazy shit and dance yeah, let's just dance.
Speaker 1:I'm in. So I try to think like man. I'm trying to think of other movies where the villains dance. You have, um, oh, this is a terrible example. But the actor, actor Matt Smith, in what's the movie? It's the vampire movie, it's a Spider-Man character, morbius oh, I didn't see that one. He starts just randomly dancing and it's like oh, you're a villain. That means you're a villain. Obviously there's more. I just can't think of anything right now. Yeah, Off the top of my head.
Speaker 2:Doesn't Dr Robotnik do it in Sonic movies? Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 1:I don't watch those, so you're probably wondering how I got here. Huh, Any movie that starts like that online? Oh God, it's so bad. So yeah, Oscar dances. He's super drunk. He leads Caleb to his room where Nathan passes out, but caleb sees his control room. Lovey walks by. You can't go in there then passes out immediately on his thing.
Speaker 1:It's like you could just go in there now. Um, so then we're on to session five. Ava asked five question. So ava asked if he's a good person, for he asked some other questions. He's like you got to be honest. Like what's your favorite color? And he says blue. And he's like lie. It's like well, I don't know, I'm not five, so I don't have a favorite color anymore. Um, but then to ask if he's a good person, and he's like uh, fuck, I don't know, dude, yeah sure, I'm the best.
Speaker 1:Um, and then ask what will happen if she fails the test? Guilt trip time. And he's like uh, uh, uh, uh, uh. So like, how's the weather in there? So, and then she shows the picture of Nathan she drew. That's all ripped up, just guilt-tripped. She's pissed. She is just like how does this make you feel? I'm going to use everything y'all are doing to each other against you? So then the power goes out and she tells him she wants to be with her. She tells him she wants to be with him and asks if he wants to be with her. Oh, I love love stories. He's like no, no, dude, I like love porn.
Speaker 2:So I will think about your face. She's kind of like the embodiment of she's seen all of them yeah she is porn.
Speaker 1:I have Ava, the god of porn, porn, but yeah, so okay. Um, then we cut caleb because yeah, because didn't?
Speaker 2:nathan was just talking about how she's got a robot puss yeah right like she, like he programmed them to love sex.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I guess, so probably right well, she has, she has the ability to enjoy it. But I think deep in her head she has the choice to whether she wants to enjoy the sex or not, right? She's a human. You just gotta think of her as a human.
Speaker 2:She does fake it, but when she wakes up, she's like.
Speaker 1:I love when it's like oh, hold on, we're about to have sex.
Speaker 2:You say I'm warming it up and everybody cut you just hear like a microwave, like ding ready, just like insert. And you just hear like a dial up noise from when the internet was young.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is just like is this good for you? Up noise from when the internet was young. This is just like is this good?
Speaker 2:for you. Yeah, it feels good and it kind of makes me feel nostalgic.
Speaker 1:Hold on, I'm getting a phone call. We got to stop. So Caleb asked Nathan why he created Ava and he's just like I don't see this as me deciding to create her. I just see it as the natural point of evolution. He's like I'm an artist, just like Jackson Pollock, yeah. And then Caleb then learns that Nathan intends to upgrade Ava after Caleb's tests, wiping her memory circuits and, in effect, killing her current personality in the process, so that he can make a new model. Caleb feels bad for this, but Nathan says he should not feel bad for himself. He should feel bad for himself because one day the AI will take over and we'll all just be fossils.
Speaker 2:Fuck, yeah, man.
Speaker 1:I can't wait. Do you think it?
Speaker 2:was interesting that they used the Jackson Pollock painting, because he was pretty problematic yeah.
Speaker 1:And apparently when Jackson Pollock was painting that painting, it got damaged so you had to like recreate it, or like he had to go back over it and fix it apparently yeah, which is definitely couldn't tell if he messed it up. Yeah, right but, like, the great thing about it is that, like, essentially, is what nathan does? He like, yeah, create something, and then he destroys it and then he like rebuilds it, essentially trying to make it better. Man, you know painting and art, it really just makes you think, you know that's why I like movies.
Speaker 1:So after encouraging Nathan to drink until he passes out not hard, caleb is still right Caleb steals his security card to access his room and computer. He alters some of Nathan's code and discovers footage of Nathan interacting with previous Android women who were also held captive.
Speaker 2:That was a creepy scene. Yeah, the woman that was like trying to beat the door down and ends up beating her hands off Off.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, dude, it's fucking sick To see all the different versions. Like this guy's a monster, yeah Well, because he doesn't see them as people. He sees them as a play things essentially yeah, it's like he just created his own prisoners.
Speaker 1:That is what billionaires will do so he's got all these skeletons in his closet. He essentially just goes in and looks into his room. Kyoko is just like sitting there just staring at the mirror, and then he like opens all the things and she's like yo, you want to have sex? Like we got an audience. Like I don't know yeah, she's just chilling.
Speaker 2:It'd be really funny if, if, when he opened the door there, instead of looking like normal, like gorgeous women, they just like every 13-year-old's idea.
Speaker 1:They're all Arnold Schwarzenegger, by the way, a great Terminator. So, after encouraging Nathan and Kyoko reveals to him that she too is an android, and Kyoko reveals to him that she too is an android by peeling off body parts of her skin. Caleb later cuts open his own arm to determine if he himself is an android, where we see that there is a camera in his mirror that he covers with blood and punches.
Speaker 2:So I didn't think he realized it until he was told about it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was thinking like at this point is because he went to the control room that he knew that there was a camera there, but I guess he didn't, because later he reveals that he's been watching them. Yeah fuck that would be. Am I a robot? It's so great because he smears the blood on his like later he's like that was a bit dramatic, dude. It's like hey, man, I don't think you had to cut yourself that much and also do it over the sink.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know man, that was uh blood, like cutting wrist, cutting stuff, like that. God kills me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it makes me feel, it makes it, it makes me like tighten my grip, Like I just put a ball my hands.
Speaker 1:So I'm like I know it probably. It's like I hope you didn't cut too far, boy. I was like dude, you could have just done a little prick on, like the side of your arm or something, see a little bit of blood and be like, okay, I'm good, yeah, you don't have to gash it. But this is this is what I love about like this AI, android shit. It's where, if you can get to the point of the movie where the human is not sure if he's an android or not, that's where you're like, if you can get successfully get to that point in the movie, you have a good movie right. It's like if you've convinced us that maybe this human is actually an android and you've made it seem like, yeah, this makes sense, that this human would be like I don't know anymore. And it's like hell, yeah, I thought it would attract.
Speaker 2:Also, like if he, if he did find like something inside of his skin, like a tracking device or something that would be kind of cool, or just like a worm comes out. It's like well, I don't even know what this one means, gross so he's like yeah, I filled you full of worms last night in your sleep, don't worry about it.
Speaker 1:What's this for?
Speaker 2:it's like I can yeah, I'm just rich as hell.
Speaker 1:I'm bored, so now we're at session 6. At their next meeting, ava cuts the power. Caleb explains what Nathan is going to do to her and she begs him for help. He informs her that of his plan, he will get Nathan drunk again and reprogram the security system to open the doors in a power failure instead of locking them. When Ava cuts the power, she and Caleb will leave together, locking Nathan in behind them. Great, easy plan. It's pretty. As long as there's no battery-powered cameras, it should work perfectly. So we cut to the next day or the same day, I'm not sure it's. Uh, it's his last day. Nathan and caleb chat in the kitchen where he tries to get nathan drunk, but nathan says he has been overdoing it. He's gonna detox like damn it.
Speaker 1:The one day he decided to not drink. But Caleb tells Nathan that Ava has passed the test. Nathan says that Ava has been manipulating him to actually escape, because there's like two options. He first starts he's like she really believes everything he says, or something else.
Speaker 1:She's playing him, or the third thing is that he's playing him. Try to get her to escape? She's playing him, or the third thing is that he's playing him trying to get her to escape. Ava later encounters Kyoko for the first time. When Kyoko enters a room, nathan reveals to Caleb that he observed his and Ava's secret conversations with a battery-powered security camera, because like. And then he's like oh no, I've been found out. It says that Ava has only pretended to have feelings for him, who was deliberately selected for his emotional profile so that he would try and help her escape. And this is where he reveals as like bro, did you like use my porn? Like, yes, and guess what? I used your camera to watch God is awful.
Speaker 2:He almost had a girlfriend.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. Nathan says this was the real test all along and that, by manipulating Caleb successfully, ava has demonstrated true consciousness. And this is the part where, like Caleb, just goes and sits down and he's like dude, don't feel embarrassed, why are you?
Speaker 1:embarrassed Because he shows him all the footage and stuff of him going and ripping the paper. This is kind of what he wanted to happen, yeah, and he's like oh see, she's my like hot assistant, right, magician's assistant. Yes, because he's like he shows that he's like putting down the camera and he's like boop boop, boop boop and it looks like he's dancing and I'm like, god damn it's. And moments later, when Ava cuts the power, caleb reveals that he had suspected Nathan was watching him, so he had already modified the security system when he was previously passed out. And I love this right, because while he's saying this, caleb has no emotion on his face. He's saying it slow and methodical, like a robot. The human has become a robot and it's awesome, it's great, it's a movie perfect.
Speaker 2:The human has become a robot and it's awesome. It's great Smoothie. Yeah, I liked it. I was like, yeah, hell, yeah, I got one over on him. Yeah, everything's going to be.
Speaker 1:OK, yeah, nothing bad is going to happen here on out. So, after seeing Ava on the security camera, leave her confinement and interact with Kyoko.
Speaker 1:Nathan knocks Kalo unconscious rushes to stop the two robots super easily yeah, just like one punch to the nose and the guy was like out like a light, like judo chopped his throat. But I mean, like we see like Nathan with his shirt off, he's a buff boy, he's fucking buff as fuck, hot as hell anyways. So Ava attacks Nathan but is overpowered and damaged. Yeah, that was badass. When he breaks her arm off, yeah, and she starts like running at him. It's so cool, she's like trying to figure out how to kill him Because it's like she's like putting her hands around his neck a little bit and then she finally like rips it and it's like, ah, she's learning to kill.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I guess he's like oh, I'm so proud of you, please stop. But then you'd have like a voice activated kill switch, yeah, or something but then we see Kyoko walking towards Nathan with a knife and oh, shouldn't have programmed her how to stab and she doesn't really know. I know she doesn't know what to do, and I love this part um whenever she's whispering to her. Yeah, she's whispering to her yeah, yeah, hell yeah.
Speaker 1:You guys said that rolls, it's like, but I just love that kyoko just kind of walks up with the point towards them and just like slowly starts it and it's like that is. She's like. That felt pretty good.
Speaker 2:It's terrifying it's such just seeing how easy it's, like you remember, in uh saving private ryan. Yeah, whenever slow stabbing into the chest sniper like fight and it's just like slowly pushing it down awful yeah, it's, uh, one of the best deaths in cinema history.
Speaker 1:Um, I don't know, it's just like it's really effective, like how slow it goes in, and then she just kind of backs out and he's like what? Oh?
Speaker 2:like knocks her jaw off and then it kills her. Yeah, I guess that's it Like why? Yeah, she could have been just walking around still with no jaw. Yeah, I feel.
Speaker 1:I guess that's where I put her power chip. That's the kill switch.
Speaker 1:Hit her in the jaw. So, yeah, yeah, nathan hits her in the face, dislabeling her. When Ava gets up and says Nathan a second time, killing him shortly after, and I love like he's like walking away from her, he's like fucking unreal. And then session seven, because this has not been a test for Ava, this has been Caleb's test all along from Ava's perspective. For Ava, this has been Caleb's test all along From Ava's perspective, god damn. Ava finds Caleb and asks him to remain where he is while she repairs herself with parts from earlier androids. That was kind of cool, using their artificial skin and taking on their full appearance as a woman. Yeah, it's great, it's just like they made her a woman.
Speaker 2:so you know bitches be shopping, they do that they do that.
Speaker 1:It's like, man, you should have went to a different store. You think she's going to be very confused when she goes to a shopping mall and then she's like she sees all these mannequins and she's like trying to peel off their skin, Just ripping off people's arms. Yeah, she's like I don't really understand what, like the point of mannequins are.
Speaker 2:Hey, I really like your leg yeah.
Speaker 1:Twist Snap. But so, instead of returning to Caleb, ava leaves the area, using Nathan's ID card to unlock the glass security door which locks behind her, leaving Caleb trapped inside. Yeah, what the fuck, ava? And this is where the score's really swelling, and she's getting into the elevator.
Speaker 2:So good, Felt so bad for Caleb, yeah, man.
Speaker 1:I mean.
Speaker 2:She is not programmed for empathy.
Speaker 1:I guess she's a prisoner. She doesn't care what she has to do to get out.
Speaker 2:She knows it's probably better.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but she still could have got out with him. It's better to know that no one knows that she's an android, yeah that's probably true.
Speaker 1:It's, I guess, protective measures. Right, yeah, measures, measures. So, ignoring Caleb's plea, she glances briefly at the bodies of Nathan and Kyoko before leaving the facility, then escapes to the outside world in the helicopter meant to take Caleb home. Arriving in a city, you got the upside down camera Seeing the shadows of people walking and then coming in a frame, and then you see her shadow. Then it cuts to her, seeing her through a glass window and people walk by and she's just gone, just watching them. She blends into the crowd. The end let's go. Ava's going to be out there, probably dying soonva's going to be out there, probably dying soon. She's going to take over the world. Man, she has no money. Yeah, where's she going to stay, doesn't matter. She's going to like bump into somebody, not understand, like what she should be doing, and they're just going to hit her jaw and she's going to die.
Speaker 2:She's going to bite down on some hard candy.
Speaker 1:Because then it's just like to the point, like what does she do? I mean, she's eventually going to get to a point where she's probably like depressed because it's like I have no one as smart as me, right now she's got to dominate the human race and destroy it and enslave them.
Speaker 2:That's what I would do.
Speaker 1:I sure wonder if, like one of her fingers is a USB port. It has to be.
Speaker 2:They all are. She could take over everything. Yeah, Just the yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, I hope she's doing all right out there and, ava, if you're listening, she's probably stripping. Send us some fan mail.
Speaker 2:The link to the scriptures Peels off her skin yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, and I love when she did put her skin on because you could creases and then they kind of disappeared that was pretty cool and you can kind of see like they have a close-up on like how this like the little uh shapes on her body and how, like, how the skin kind of like like went on. Yeah, it's like, I guess he made like one shape fits all. Yeah, boy had a type, I guess all right. So uh, we're gonna talk do our first category the good, the bad, the ugly, the fine. It's where we discuss the good of the film Something we liked. The bad, something we didn't. The ugly, something that didn't age well. The fine, something that did age well. So for the good, I couldn't really pinpoint anything, so I said pretty much everything. Yeah, score. Cinematography acting directing script.
Speaker 2:I love the idea of AI just becoming real. Yeah, I don't want it to happen, but it's kind of cool. It seems inevitable. Yeah, it will.
Speaker 1:It seems like someone's just eventually going to just do it because they feel like they have to.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's going to be a revolution.
Speaker 1:What's the quote in Jurassic Park? It's like they never asked whether or not they should.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, yeah, I can't. They only asked. If they only ever thought about, if they could never, if they should, yeah, something like that, something like that my wife's like literally pulling your hair out.
Speaker 1:Listen to this right now.
Speaker 2:But, like in the Westworld spoiler alert, they a couple of them escape, yeah, and they just. It seems to me like they immediately start trying to take shit over.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean obviously. Well, I mean, once you're like imprisoned by humans, it's like fuck you guys. Yeah, it's time to kill.
Speaker 2:She's smarter than everyone yeah, everyone that ever lived. Yeah, she has all of the knowledge and the porn. Yeah, she's really got us by the balls, if I take all the porn.
Speaker 1:I can control every man in the universe.
Speaker 2:She's the reason we have to put in our identification. To watch porn now, yeah.
Speaker 1:So what do you got for the bad? I put nothing. I just fully think this is a perfect little movie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's incredible. I don't know if it's a bad thing. It's just billionaires. Yeah Right, look out for them.
Speaker 1:You'll never guess what I put as my ugly Billionaires.
Speaker 2:Billionaires and just doing shit right Because they can.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that sucks, and I also put the fact that we would definitely just probably make AI robots just to have sex with us.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, that's what they're for yeah.
Speaker 1:That's what a billionaire is going to do Do you remember that Robot Chicken show? Yeah, I love.
Speaker 2:Robot Chicken. There was an episode where the scientist was revealing his robot that he built, and all the other scientists are like he's like. Do you have any questions?
Speaker 1:Yes, they're like can you fuck it?
Speaker 2:He's like do you have any questions? Yes, they're like can you fuck it? Yeah, he's like what? No, then they all leave we don't care anymore. Yeah, and then it's humping the washing machine.
Speaker 1:Yeah, shit Like, as the more you're explaining it, I have it all in my head now Because I think it like keeps cutting back to it throughout that episode of it just humping the washing machine. So good man, cartoon Network back in the day.
Speaker 2:The best.
Speaker 1:All right, what do you got for the find? Something that aged well.
Speaker 2:I like these, these locations.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Beautiful. That was like one of the coolest things, like having a remote facility in these isolated locations that are just just seemingly untouched by the rest of the world, and you're like that's where all the bad shit happens, Because that's what movies teach us.
Speaker 1:Exactly If we've learned, if there's an Island of a billionaire and owns it it's full of women, probably not good. There's not good things happening. You know, it was funny. I was looking at like a picture of Las Vegas and I was just thinking like who I need to like look up history of Las Vegas? And like when they're thinking about building it, they're like, all right, there's nothing out here. What if I just put all these buildings here, yeah, and then I'm like you know what Las Vegas ends now and it's just like they just have a line where they're like no more anything.
Speaker 2:It's like why didn't they ever continue? Have you ever been to Las Vegas?
Speaker 1:no, I was just looking at a picture. I was like they never thought to expand more. I mean, just make it like a whole thing here it's kind of like an island in the middle of the desert. Yeah, it's weird. Oh, for my font, I put alex garland he ended up being like a really good director and writer. Yeah, there's some cool ass shit. I love his fucking brain man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, all the science fiction stuff. He does it so well. Yeah, it's just so interesting and weird and and that's you think.
Speaker 1:Obviously the cg is amazing.
Speaker 2:It's wild how well, it holds up. I wonder if they got a lot of these ideas from westworld, because the original westworld came out in like the 50s um, I think it was all.
Speaker 1:Mainly he was just trying to come up with a script of something that would just happen, that would sci-fi and like, uh, small enough that he can make on a low budget, that he could. Uh, that's just. He just wanted to do something about technology that's just around the corner and that's where he came up with this. Yeah, he's like took it and like wrote it in a month or something like that. Yeah, did it pretty quick. Um, so that's that category. Now we're gonna hit our second one. It's our double feature. We recommend a movie to go alongside this movie. I picked a ai driven movie called her. It's where walking phoin Phoenix falls in love with Scarlett Johansson's voice through a phone.
Speaker 2:I haven't seen all of it.
Speaker 1:And it's great and it's kind of perfect and it's one of my favorite movies. Does it get scary? Because, like I watched half of it, no, it doesn't get scary, it actually gets really sad. It gets sad, but then it's also like nice, nice, it's a perfect movie nice, it's a perfect movie, just I picked, uh, just watch westworld watch the first season.
Speaker 2:Man, it's fucking sick yeah, I need to do so. Good, the music this is so well done. I think, like this the they they redo paint it black. Oh, um, during this one, I think it's like the second episode or something. It is fucking incredible. I think I probably watched that one then. Yeah, you probably have. It's kind of like a Western version of Painted Black God damn so good. And like some of the moments they create with the music, like looking at all the AI, like there's a room where there's like a hallway that's full of the AI that they're building and repairing and stuff, yeah, and they're just they're playing this music and it's god, it's so fucking cool. I would say watch that. And they're all robots, robots. I'm gonna go home and watch that tonight.
Speaker 1:It's fucking awesome oh, this is uh. Jonathan nolan, christopher nolan's brother, created it along with lisa joy and executive producer with JJ Abrams. Cool.
Speaker 2:What? Yeah, that sounds like a JJ thing. I thought it was. I thought Anthony Hopkins was one of the producers. He could be.
Speaker 1:I don't know. So yeah, that's our. That's our coverage of Ex Machina. Make sure you join us next week because we're going to be diving into the MCU. Baby Right, everybody keeps talking about it because they released a five-hour video for avengers zoom's day to reveal the cast and all they did was show director's chair and it's like this is the best idea. Five hours, yes, because there's like 24 actors and they gave them like like 20 minutes, like each chair and it's like, why, what?
Speaker 1:um so, and you know, robert downey jr is gonna be dr doom, so wait what? Yeah, is that, bro?
Speaker 2:you gotta, you gotta, you gotta get up to date on this shit damn, that's cool they're bringing them back, so that doesn't mean they're gonna be fighting the fantastic four oh yeah, the fantastic four movie is gonna be coming out, like this year or next year.
Speaker 1:Who?
Speaker 2:was dr doom's. That was like a superman villain and fantastic four right or just all, just all Marvel.
Speaker 1:It's just. It started off as a fantastic four. Thing. I think only Superman is also.
Speaker 2:Dr Doom. I thought Dr Doom was DC. No, that's MC. I don't know man. I don't know my MC.
Speaker 1:There's a bunch of fucking villains out there. Did you know that in the original movie version of Fantastic Four, like the one that has Chris Evans, Jessica Alba, Robert Downey Jr auditioned for the role of Dr Doom and now he is Dr Doom? Hell yeah.
Speaker 2:Isn't that fun how that all happens. I like how they kill him and.
Speaker 1:Kevin Feige actually wanted him to be Dr Doom during that one. It's badass, quite weird how things work out. Huh? I bet he's got metal balls. So yeah, listen to us discuss Iron man 1, baby. So yeah, join us for that. Hey, leave us some fan mail. There's a link in the description that you can click on or go to our Gmail. We recommend movie, we recommend mailbag at gmailcom. I say it so much I forget what it is. Leave us some reviews. Tell us how you did, tell us what you think about Ex Machina. And I'd like to thank Joey Prosser for our intro and outro music. You can follow him on X at Mr Joey Prosser. And this has been the we Recommend podcast. I've been Jesse, I've been Jason. Bye, bye.
