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Face/Off
Face/Off delivers one of the most audacious premises in action movie history as FBI agent Sean Archer undergoes experimental surgery to take on the face of his archenemy, Castor Troy, in order to foil a terrorist plot. The movie's wild ride begins when terrorist Castor Troy is captured but not before he plants a bomb, forcing agent Archer to literally wear the criminal's face to infiltrate prison and find its location.
• John Travolta and Nicolas Cage masterfully portray each other's characters after the face swap
• Hong Kong action director John Woo brings his signature style with dual-wielded guns, slow motion, and symbolic doves
• The $80 million production features spectacular practical effects including exploding planes and boats
• The face-swapping premise allows both actors to explore the psychological dimensions of assuming another's identity
• Several scenes have become iconic, including the Mexican standoff in the church with multiple characters pointing guns
• The surprising depth comes from how each character experiences the other's life, family, and relationships
Watch Face/Off for its perfect blend of over-the-top action, committed performances, and the most ridiculous premise executed with complete conviction.
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Hello and welcome to the we Recommend podcast, a movie podcast where every week we recommend a movie for you to watch and then come back here and listen to us discuss. I'm Jesse and I'm Jason. You know I could eat a peach for hours, because this week we recommend Face off Hell. Yeah, brother, do you want to know a movie I used to watch all the time as a child? Was it Face?
Speaker 2:Off.
Speaker 1:Face Off Dude. This movie goes hard and it's the most ridiculous thing in the world.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:It was like back in the. What year was this made? I think it was 97.
Speaker 2:Yeah, where all barrels were explosive. Every vehicle is primed to explode, yep.
Speaker 1:Birds fucking just everywhere. It's great.
Speaker 2:It's so ridiculous.
Speaker 1:So this was directed by. What's his name? John Woo, and so that's his trademark. Thing is like great action. He's a what was it? Hong Kong, I believe director, something like that, and so his trademarks are like doves, oh, and people firing guns in both hands, both hands and running and sliding and shooting Right and you know what it fucking works. It's always so cool Debris everywhere. It's just like watching him, just like God dang it. This is so good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you definitely have to turn your brain off. Yeah, it's like junk food food.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's so good and another thing so bad for you that I love is like while just watching this movie, there's just a lot of times I'm like like, uh, what? Yes, what did what was just said? What did I just see with my eyes, metal boots, what, yeah? So john woe, he's made like a bunch of like film, like foreign films, and then then he finally got to make movies. He got popular enough that he made like Hard Target with Rob Van Damme or Jean-Claude Van Damme I haven't seen that one and then he got like this movie and it's like hell yeah. But then he also made the worst Mission Impossible movie, mission Impossible 2.
Speaker 2:Oh okay, but it's still a very I didn't know it was considered the worst one, yeah, but it's still good I don't remember. I remember watching the first one, tons.
Speaker 1:Honestly, that movie would be better if Tom Cruise wasn't the star Nice, because then it could have just been a normal. Because it's like also the first time he was like I'm sexy, tom Cruise, and it's like you'll never be sexy, tom Cruise, popping his collar so hard, cause it's impossible to be sexy for you, tom Cruise, or at least it's this. I can't find him as a sexy person Weird.
Speaker 2:No, he kind of sucks.
Speaker 1:So um what do?
Speaker 2:you do? You did you ever see his TikToks when he started making them?
Speaker 1:Tom Cruise made TikToks.
Speaker 2:Yeah, when I first when I first got onto the app he was it was just him playing his guitar and talking and he's not good. Yeah, he has to be told. He's not good at being a human.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's really not everything about him. His entire life has just been choreographed either by movies scientology or scientology, it's like. So I would love to just be like. You know the episode. I don't know how much of the friends you watch. There's one point where Chandler is stuck in like an uh, like a bank ATM room and like the all the power went out and for whatever reason, the door's locked and he's stuck in there with this like attractive girl, he's like struggling to talk. I want that scenario, but me and Tom Cruise and I'd be like You're like cool, let's see what normal human Tom Cruise is like. That would be interesting.
Speaker 2:That would be Just hey, me and you, tom, we're just going to be humans together.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so we have to discuss first John Travolta and Nick Cage. Right?
Speaker 2:Two of our. Is this peak insanity for both of them?
Speaker 1:Worst actors slash best actors Because I mean, I feel like everybody kind of loves both of them, but also there's so much weirdness with them that it's just like are we sure we like them? Nick Cage has always been. He's just kind of like a good guy. It seems that he had like a problem with spending all of his money and now having to do every movie ever because he bought a castle in another country and he's constantly having tax debt.
Speaker 1:That's awesome. That's why he's in every bad movie. He bought that haunted house in Louisiana. Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 2:He's a freak and a love one.
Speaker 1:John Travolta, a freak in a completely different way, less cool way, but he went the Scientology route. Yeah, that sucks for him. Which is funny that we talked about Tom.
Speaker 1:Cruise no, not really Completely ruined. Yeah, I guess People think that with the, because he doesn't really talk about Scientology, not like Tom Cruise was and like now he seems like to try to separate himself from Scientology. But people think he can't get out of the church because people always kind of think that he's secretly gay and he doesn't want that to come out Because they know all his secrets. Yeah, because you know the. They make you tell yeah, whatever you call that. Again, leverage, yeah, whatever, whether it is that he puts hold something and talks for eight hours and they record it all. Yes, which is an insane thing. But now I'm like well, like well, john Travolta, if you're gay, it's like okay now, like Hollywood's cool with it back in the day.
Speaker 1:Maybe not so much, but yeah, it's not like it's gonna ruin your career, man, yeah, yeah maybe, like in the 80s and 90s, it could have, but now it's like, hey, man, that'd be awesome. Yeah, it's totally chill, like we're all. One of my favorite performances of you hairspray where you dressed up like a girl. That was sweet.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was awesome when he was the mom.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was great so now that we're on to them, uh, do you, do you generally like them as actors? Uh, I mean johnson vulture is great in pulp fiction and movies like that, of course yeah, yeah, um, nick cage has never been great, but it's always fun to watch him.
Speaker 2:It's kind of like watching the Mask, even though it's like a bad movie. You just like seeing the rubber face, yeah, you know like that kind of thing, and his eyebrows are just out of control.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but man, like, when Nick Cage decides to like, be good he can like be really good yeah. Like to like be good he can sometimes. He really is really good. Like you should watch the pig. It's like a great movie with him seeing. That is this, where he has like a pig that hunts for truffles nice and it gets stolen and his whole thing is I gotta find this pig.
Speaker 1:Oh, I should have called it truffle trouble damn it, jason, get you in a goddamn studio right now. You need to be a studio exec Director. Comes in, I have a title for this. It's called the Pig, like hmm Well, let's, you're just in the dark in the corner, just like truffle.
Speaker 2:It's like that's why we hired him. That's why we hired him.
Speaker 1:I do think we do need to start like that's what, that's what's so great about this movie. It's called Face Off. It's such a great title and I love movies where I just we need to get more basic and dumb titles, like I have an idea for a movie where aliens invade an island. I think it should be called Alien Island. I have a a movie about vampires that whenever they bite you, you kind of become. You talk like Woody Allen.
Speaker 2:I want to call it.
Speaker 1:The Nebbish Vampire, the Nebbish. I have great ideas for movies and they all have stupid titles and I think it's the best.
Speaker 2:Oh, that is great, Especially like for B-movies.
Speaker 1:Yeah, It'd just be spot on, but these would be like dramatic Oscar winning movies yeah. I'd be even more hilarious.
Speaker 2:They just feel really embarrassed that they have to give you the Oscar Wow. The Alien Island has been nominated for 30 Oscars.
Speaker 1:I can't believe I have to say this, but Clean sweep at the Oscars for Nebbish Vampire, all right, so keep getting off track.
Speaker 2:Wait, was Clean Sleep. The one about the serial killer vacuum salesman yeah, exactly Nice.
Speaker 1:That's why we hired you. God damn it, jason. You did it again. So what do you think of their performances in this movie? Bad, yeah, I think it's also great.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean to me it's Nick Cage that is kind of his most insane maybe, or is that the you should watch Vampire's Kiss. I haven't seen that.
Speaker 1:That's where he just does the entire alphabet and like A, B, C, D, or he's like discounting, I can't remember. Well, okay. So yes, their performances are kind of crazy and over the top, but I think they both do a great job at switching into each other.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I kind of liked it better when they did that, Although if Nick Cage would have just stayed Caster Troy and then Sean Archer would have also been Caster Troy, that would have been that would have been.
Speaker 1:they were both disattained, but so I guess they spent like a month or a couple of weeks together, just like figuring out what mannerisms they wanted to use so that when they switch, they could, like, do their mannerisms right Gotcha, so they would be able to imitate each other, I think that.
Speaker 2:But then you've got Castor Troy or Sean Archer as Castor Troy, trying to be himself.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you have Sean Archer trying to be, or as Castor Troy trying to figure out how to be, castro Troy. Yes, and that's why this movie rules. It's layers, baby. Did they change bodies too? No, just face off, Jason, face off. They made it. They put body hair on them and put hairline shit on them, but you know what? Just chef's kiss, chef's kiss. Okay, so we agree. Performance is great. Yes, 100%. Do you think the action is over the top, or is it?
Speaker 2:yeah, but that's what it's kind of expected. Perfect for the movie, though.
Speaker 1:Right yeah, it's like when you got a crazy idea. I feel like if the action was just like pretty mild and like more realistic, it'd be like what are you doing here, dude?
Speaker 2:yeah, it has to be over the top.
Speaker 1:There's face offs, face-offs oh shit, face off, face off no drugs for this man um, yeah, I think, uh, man, the action sells the premise right. It's just like yeah, okay, anything goes, yeah, let's do it. Boat fight, yep, yeah, um, do we? Do we kind of not have enough movies like this? Now, I think we did them all in the 90s. Like where is this movie right? Like why do we not have more movies like this? Let's get rid of the realism. Like let's just get wild. Let's just get wild.
Speaker 2:Let's just get wild.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's got to be more ideas like this out there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's why we don't make them anymore, damn it.
Speaker 1:I hate the world we live in now, all right, so, um, one of the original things that they wanted to do was they had different characters that they wanted to play in this movie, so it was originally written for Sylvester Sloan and Arnold. Uh, no, yeah, would have been insane, especially since Arnold's like six inches taller than Sylvester.
Speaker 2:Sylvester's like five ten, yeah.
Speaker 1:So here's what I want you to do Recast the movie. Give me two actors you'd like to see in this role. I should have thought I should have messaged you to do this, but I didn't. I didn't even think about it. I wanted to kind of be fresh. Brad Pitt and Danny Trejo man, that would mean Brad Pitt's doing a Mexican exit. I would love to see Brad Pitt say Pendejo like a hundred times, or something like that Maybe say I would love to see. Brad Pitt say you're either a Mexican or a Mexicant.
Speaker 2:That would be great man.
Speaker 1:Who would I? I think I would definitely. I'd want to see someone trying to be Keanu Reeves, oh wow.
Speaker 2:I'm just not sure who it should be. Tom Cruise, I bet he'd make a good one god, that'd be insane, that'd be wild.
Speaker 1:I mean, cause they have to be. Oh man, tom Cruise. Tom Cruise is too short, can't be in any of these movies. Well, oh, keanu Reeves and Sylvester Stallone. Oh man bro, I don't know Keanu. Reeves would have to get bigger.
Speaker 2:But to see.
Speaker 1:Keanu Reeves, try to do Sylvester Stallone and Sylvester Stallone, try to do Keanu Reeves. I am the FBI agent. Oh God, I don't even know how to do Keanu Reeves. Oh God, I don't even know how to do Keanu Reeves.
Speaker 2:Yo.
Speaker 1:Adrian, we did it. That'd be pretty wild. Oh, my brain hurts from thinking about it, or even just like if we just did the Once Upon a Time in Hollywood and just did Brad Pitt and Leonardo DiCaprio. That'd be fun.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I can see that, but they're I don't know. I think why it works with these two is because they're so incredibly different as far as but also the same, I guess, in terms of wackiness yeah. They both got very distinct face.
Speaker 1:Ooh, we can make it really fun and do a Denzel Washington and his son. Just be like, okay, well, this is pretty easy, be your dad, yeah, be your dad, okay. Ooh, like Denzel and like Will Smith. Switch, hell, fucking yeah, that'd be fun. Oh man, I can see that, just because I mean they're both so charismatic and I'd love to see them both do each other. That's it, that's the one I want to do.
Speaker 2:I want like 2000s Denzel and 2000s Will Smith together Trying to see Will pull off a Denzel smile.
Speaker 1:I don't know, or maybe like a young Shit. What's his name? No country film Tommy. No country film Tommy Lee Jones. Yes, Like a young Tommy Lee Jones and like Harrison Ford the fugitive, but now they take faces off Hell. Yeah, that would be a cool one.
Speaker 2:We need more body switching, yeah.
Speaker 1:So this movie script was bought twice Because it was so good. Well, like so. Warner Brothers bought it in 91 and then the project got shelved and then it was up. Good, well, like so. Warner Brothers bought it in 91, and then the project got shelved and then it was up for because they thought it was too much like Demolition man. And it's like what it's not, it's a completely different idea. But then in 1994, the rights had expired and Paramount got it, which is thank God. And there was an issue. So John Woo wanted the slash for face off, you know, splash or dash or whatever and the studios didn't. And he's like well, if we assist face off, people are going to think it's a hockey movie, and so he's like he was able to get the slash. And I guess Johnny Depp was disappointed because it wasn't a sports movie because he thought it was going to be a sports movie.
Speaker 2:Is that why he?
Speaker 1:didn't audition. Yeah so it. It was going to be a sports movie. Is that why he didn't audition? Yeah, so it was originally going to be straight sci-fi, not like you know. Cops just like realistic. Cops like realistic cops.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was so realistic.
Speaker 1:But it was just going to be full future and everything. But then they were like no, I don't want to do that, because John Woo thought he couldn't pull it off. Okay, I can see that, but I'm glad it wasn't, because all the sci-fi stuff just really, really makes it crazy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like the prison. What are we doing here, guys? Let's give the inmates metal boots, yeah, so they can stomp each other's faces.
Speaker 1:So I want to did those metal boots. Did those look familiar at all? I don't recall. Yeah, so did you ever watch the Super Mario Brother movie? No way. Yeah, the Magnet's boots that keep Nicolas Cage stuck to the prison floor were used a few years earlier by Bob Hoskins and John Leguizamo to hop around in the Mario Brother movie I remember those boots, yeah, and I got a picture of them To hop around.
Speaker 2:In the Mario Brother movie. Hell yeah, I remember those boots yeah.
Speaker 1:And I got a picture of them Not the same, no, they're the same and it's crazy. So there also was going to be a different ending. So Were they kissed. So there was going to be a dark ending featuring Archer looking at himself in the mirror and seeing Castro-Troy's reflections and the wife was going to see Castro-Troy's reflection at the same time I feel like she kind of liked him better. Yeah and damn Nick Cage. Who's hotter, nick Cage or John Travolta? You have to pick one.
Speaker 2:I think John Travolta's more attractive. I like the psychoness of Nick Cage. I do like his psychoness.
Speaker 1:You need to watch Moonstruck Shit. Should we do Moonstruck next instead? I don't know. I have no idea what that is.
Speaker 2:Oh, it's these trade faces with the moon. It's so fucking good dude, it's wild. It's got.
Speaker 1:Cher in it. Cher and Nick Cage are a romantic couple and and it's the most batshit crazy thing ever. So Nick Cage got too lost into the character. So the part during the prison fight scene where Archer begins shouting I'm Casher, troy. Like a madman, nick Cage says I got scared. He said am I acting or is this real I can see, if I look at the movie, that one moment it's in my eyes that I. It's like he goes this insane because he can't tell who he is anymore. Shut up, that's what he. That's a quote for him, oh no.
Speaker 1:Nick Cage. He conquered his fear of heights by whenever he does the 200 foot drop into the water when he's escaping the prison. That was actually him doing it. That's cool, yeah, and he was like it was one of the most frightening moments of his life. I would have done that. Yeah, that sounds fun. Last one, just to make it even more crazy. So you know Gina Gershon, who's the Castro? Troyes, she's the mother Sasha. Yeah. So Nick Cassavetes, which is the guy she kisses at the end or like before he dies, the bald guy.
Speaker 1:Yes, so Gina Gershon and Nick Cassavetes made their characters incestuous, yeah, incestuous. So John Woo gave his performers a lot of space to create their characters, which included allowing Gershon and Cassavetes to explore their idea of giving their sibling characters a weirdly incestuous vibe, also in their backstory. Apparently, the way that that kid was conceived was a threesome Yay, between the three of them. That's hot, yeah, so probably a good thing.
Speaker 2:That's how Triple X was made.
Speaker 1:Dude, I can't wait till we get to the end of this movie so we can talk about adam and just adam the kid, the kid. Okay, bro, I think it's time to get into it, okay let's just fucking go.
Speaker 2:What's the budget of this movie? Did you find that out? Oh, yeah, let me see it had to be fucking wild $80 million.
Speaker 1:I guess that's kind of a lot for 90s. It's probably going to be like 150, maybe I don't know. I don't remember what the dollar was back then. That's all I wanted to know. All right, that's all you need to know. Hey, jason, are you ready to face off? Just so you know, every time I do face, saying the word face off, I'm he's doing the motion, doing the motion face off. Not the face waterfall, the face off, because there is also a face waterfall.
Speaker 1:Yes, A lot of face, which I guess is something that john woo, I guess that might be like, and it's how you recognize the lines of the or you memorize their face. Well, I think it's like something john woo's culture or something he did with his kids I'm assuming there's like a cultural reason that john woo wanted it done covers his fingers in peanut butter but it smears it down his face. It's like he comes out of the bathroom, the kid walks by, wipes his face.
Speaker 2:Dad, did you wash?
Speaker 1:your hands, no, son, no. But, you should wash your face now. All right, face off.
Speaker 2:So the film opens with Sean Archer face water falling his son on a merry-go-round. I don't like that. I love it.
Speaker 1:Well damn, I'm watching the scene. I was like, is he?
Speaker 1:about to kiss that fucking kid. So it's such a romantic scene. So they obviously love each other. But Caster Troy is just chilling under a tree drinking a soda with his big ass mustache and he's like. He shoots at Sean and he hits him but the bullet goes straight through him and hits his son and he's dead and it's like damn, no longer will he be able to face Waterfall Hillman in person. Only like 15 times through a picture in this movie. Just have to do it to the bones. Yeah, so it's six years later.
Speaker 1:Sean is well-decorated cop on the hunt for Caster who is setting up a bomb. Sean is stressed that the FBI hasn't had a break in the case. He's like yelling at everybody. He's like oh, talk to me when you get a fucking break in the case. And it's like Sean, fucking chill bro. So, and at an LA convention center, castor finishes arming the bomb, then acts crazy, dresses, appreciate, goes up to these choir girls like singing and then just flirts with this one and she's just like oh, I love it, Even though you look insane and have a terrible hairline.
Speaker 1:And then he's just like, just like, squeezes her butt. He's like, oh, hallelujah squeezes her butt, and he's like hallelujah and that was the day that you know, cinema was truly invented. Whoa, we can do that. We can do that to like girls. I didn't know that, I thought it was so I'm just kidding. But like we have to talk about this a little bit because he's going absolutely batshit insane. Yes, he like walks in there, he's like all dancing, then he's like spinning his circles.
Speaker 2:Oh dude like he's always on drugs.
Speaker 1:I was like taking, taking notes, pumping my fucking fist.
Speaker 2:Like, let's go Right your life kit.
Speaker 1:Snakes like get his tails, like wagging. He's going kind of crazy because I'm just like pumped up at 7 am in the morning doing notes, oh you should dress him up as Nick Cage for Halloween. He doesn't have the guts.
Speaker 2:You could get a face and put it on his face. Oh, you mean I could face off him. Yeah, well, face on, because you don't want to take his face off.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't want to be a furry. So the FBI receives information that Castor's brother, pollux, has chartered a plane at LAX airport. Then, like we see, castor goes up to his brother it's great Like some guy like takes off his jacket, he hands him like a box and it's got like two gold guns it's fucking magnificent, those 45s, yeah. And then he gets on a plane.
Speaker 1:You got the just like insane thing where the stewardess or whatever is like he's like then, like he's like I bet you sit on my lap and they kiss and she straight up sucks the tongue. Yeah, just in front of the brother. It's gross.
Speaker 2:So much weird stuff, but I mean at the same time he's also having sex with brother and sister yeah, you know at least no holds bar. You know what? Life as a criminal looks really fun like an international criminal.
Speaker 1:I mean, when you just get to do whatever you want, it's pretty great. I guess, like less killing, you'd be a pretty crazy guy to hang out with. Yeah, it looks like they're a good hang, yeah. And so Sean knows that Pollux will not fly without Kastor, so he leads a joint FBI-LAPD team to chase the plane down, which crashes into a hangar, which crashes into a hangar. In the ensuing chase, pollux is captured by the FBI and Caster is knocked into a coma after bragging to Sean about a bomb that would go off, neglecting to mention the location of the bomb. Great action sequence the plane shit, love planes exploding. Apparently, they only had one take of the thing and they had like 13 cameras filming it, because they actually destroyed a plane. Nice, we used to make things in this.
Speaker 2:We used to blow shit up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the slow motion, jumping and like sliding, it's amazing. I love it. Just like the cat and mouse of the scene is great. Sparks are everywhere. Yeah, everything has sparks, all the like the jet engine just like turning on. It's just like an insane action sequence and it's amazing. It just looks fantastic. Yeah, um, I I told my wife the movie that we're doing. She's like why because it's amazing.
Speaker 2:My wife's like remember when you made me watch this and you said it was good, I was like no, I don't remember that you should be like, yeah, and you should watch it again, because it's still good no, I get it.
Speaker 1:It's a dumb movie. It's just like it's a turn your brain off. Fun movie to watch so Sean goes home where he learns his daughter is suspended. She's very dramatic and all of a sudden I'm edgy and coughing. Now. Nose piercing. My lips are dark lipstick on them is suspended. She's very dramatic and all of a sudden I'm edgy and gothing. Now, oh, I have nose piercings. My lips are dark lipstick on them. I have weird hair.
Speaker 1:He tells his wife that he caught Castor and they embrace Sean has been a shitty father and husband since her son died and he's like I'm out, god damn it, I'm out. Sean's work colleagues congratulate him on catching Caster, but the agent rebuffs the praise he has given and says the deaths of the FBI agents is nothing to celebrate about, and I kind of like that. Usually, you know, in movies like this they don't do this and I feel like this is what a four like a Do, what the like. Usually it's like oh, it's the beginning of the movie. You want your like action star to be happy that they caught the bad guy and then it's all gonna go bad.
Speaker 1:But I like that he was like still depressed the fact that, like too many people died, dude, like this is not a thing to celebrate. And then there's the bomb. Yeah, that's still out there. Yeah, that's true, but it's just like fun that it's a little realistic, that it's just like I don't know how many people would be celebrating after like I don't know 20 people just died in this huge action scene.
Speaker 2:Well, I feel like he would be a little bit happy that you know he got the guy that killed his son.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I just feel like that's almost kind of like maybe something a foreign director would do. Just be like an American action director would be like, yeah, we fucking did it. American action director would be like, yeah, we fucking did it. And like a different director from a different country is like we should. We should think about the ones we lost. So Sean then finds out Castor was not joking about the bomb, after discovering a tape that was recovered in a jet in the jet crash, in Pollux's briefcase, which contains information about the bomb Everything but the location.
Speaker 2:They just did a vlog. Yeah, hey guys what's up here?
Speaker 1:Just set a bomb by the bomb, Everything but the location they just did a vlog yeah.
Speaker 2:Left it in a briefcase. Hey guys, what's up here? Just set a bomb.
Speaker 1:by the way, once we get to 200 likes, I'll set it off. Hell yeah man. So, after a number of interrogations, sean discovers the date but not the location of the bomb itself. We see he talks to Sasha Pollux, all of them Knowing that Pollux is the only person who can reveal the location and that Castro is the only one who should be informed. Sean is presented by his colleagues a secret mission that he will undergo an experimental surgical procedure to temporarily graft Castro's face onto his skull, infiltrate the prison where Pollux is being held and get the location of the bomb, which is the only way to do so. Um, like what?
Speaker 2:I don't know. The idea is so wild.
Speaker 1:This is the only way, bro. This is the 90s. You take Pollux into a room, you turn all cameras off and you do what Sicario does in that movie you posture the hell out of him and then you waterboard him or something. Yeah, it's easy, which, you know, maybe this is the most humane way to do it, but it's not like you sent him to a humane prison.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, think about Black Knight. He beat the shit out of the Joker. He's like with all your strength, strength, you know you'll never figure it out.
Speaker 1:Fuck dude we gotta do the dark knight, god damn dude. Like just I thought about that scene and I got a little like you know what it reminds me of the face surgery.
Speaker 2:It reminds me of team america world police. Whenever he gets a face surgery, it's the gluteal patches of hair on his face probably definitely inspired by this but it was super cool scene though.
Speaker 1:I mean the cutting of the face, the plastic mask that they put on it and then put his face in like a water thing it's so uncomfortable.
Speaker 2:You'd think they'd have to do a lot more like shaving bone down.
Speaker 1:Well, they put the plastic there's plastic under his face to give him like the build of his face. That's why he's like it's itchy Gotcha.
Speaker 2:I just thought that was from the scars healing, yeah.
Speaker 1:I will say the surgery like watching the surgery part is very uncomfortable, and I think that's an element that makes the scene kind of great, as ridiculous as it is yeah, yeah, all the bloodiness underneath the skin. And also man. Like we should show more face off in movies. It's kind of cool, Like I love, when Caster was just walking around smoking a cigarette with no face.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was badass, it's super sick.
Speaker 1:It's such a boy's movie Cigarettes are so cool, like the most boy movie I've ever recommended for the pod. So his colleagues asked if he wants to do it. He won't be able to tell anyone and after some thinking he says he will do it. He heads home to tell his wife that he is going on a sick assignment. God damn it. When I thought I was out they pulled me right back in. She's super upset, does some face waterfalls and talks about the little scar when he got shot by Caster Troy. He's like you can't forget about this guy. So it's time for the surgery. They cut his face, they vacuum it up, put it in water, then cuts Castro's face and puts it on Sean. It's fucking rad. What if they pulled it off really hard like, oh dang it, we sucked it completely down in a vacuum.
Speaker 2:Put it on. It's all fucking crazy yeah. So, and if there's a plastic barrier between the muscles of your face and the skin of your face, are you going to be able to make facial expressions? Does it matter? No, it doesn't.
Speaker 1:I think we should really dive into the realism of this movie, jason, because it hurts too much yeah. Something I love is when they are doing the surgery. It's like obvious fake bodies that they're using.
Speaker 2:It's great, and that super high-tech computer they're using. It's great and that super high-tech computer they're using 90s technology, baby Love it.
Speaker 1:So after surgery, sean, with the face of Caster, freaks out. It's like looking at the mirror, like it's like when a dog looks in the mirror, like it's like, oh, and then it's like once this is over, I want you to take this face off and burn it. Oh, no, Face off.
Speaker 2:They're just not going to give it back. Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 1:No, I mean fuck Castor Troy. They want him to be dead. But yeah, I guess.
Speaker 2:It's a bad guy, but why keep him?
Speaker 1:alive, just in case he woke up and can find the bomb Because of face off.
Speaker 2:Okay. Okay, I'm sorry, I just needed to flip the switch. Here we go.
Speaker 1:Just in case John Travolta or Sean wants to face Waterfall Hill, remember. So arrangements are made for Sean, as caster, to be incarcerated with Pollux in prison. Then we go to the prison. We got the big guy, the Zodiac guy, and the invitation. Yeah, forgot his name, but when you see him, no good, very bad, don't want him around, unless he's in Fargo One good time. So he's in an heroin prison where guards put magnet boots on him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Cool, why not? Yeah, you, yeah, cool, why not? Yeah, you know what? Pretty tight. Now, if they could like walk up walls and stuff, that'd be cool, dude. I mean, where's that movie? What can?
Speaker 1:you the amount of strength you would have to have in like your calves and ankles, oh your abs, to just like walk up and just like keep your body straight. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't think it's for this movie. Yeah, like. Obviously someone like they should have just kept him as Mario Boots.
Speaker 1:Yeah right, let him jump around like crazy Wish for, like Bob Hoskins and John Legaz, legaz, legaz I can't say his last name, it's just not a word I can say I wish they like showed up in the prison like, hey, it's me, I'm Caster Troy.
Speaker 2:Little. I'm a caster, troy Little bombs walking around, yeah.
Speaker 1:So while walking into the lunch hall we got weird-ass voice, thomas Jane meeting him. He sees Pollux and then gets attacked. He's getting beat up. But then Sean decides to go full caster. He gets this weird smile. Sean loves acting crazy for a little bit and you can just kind of see it, even though he's supposed to be a madman. But I think he enjoys for a little bit and you can just kind of see it, even though he's supposed to be a madman. But I think he enjoys it a little bit. And we learned that he slept with the guy that's attacking them's wife while he's in prison. Oh, nice that Castor did, not, sean. So meanwhile Castor unexpectedly awakens, like a horror movie, from his coma and, realizing what has happened since, he has no face.
Speaker 2:Is that an Oxford coma?
Speaker 1:Yeah, Oxford coma. Who gives a fuck about an Oxford coma, Realizing what happened, since he has no face and it's in a tub of water? It's like just imagine waking up. Oh damn, I ain't got no face, oh look there's John Travolta's face. Oh, this is obviously a face-off moment. Oh man, so he calls his men to kidnap the doctor named Walsh who performed the surgery.
Speaker 2:So okay, I feel like we're about to have the same conversation, Puts his face back on. Maybe Did they just forget that they did this and then they put Sean in prison.
Speaker 1:So no, they put Sean in prison thinking, and then they're like, oh, we're going to leave his face in the face off room. Yeah, so we can put it back on later.
Speaker 2:And you know, the same room as the prisoner.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:The same room as Castor Troy with no supervision. That's exactly what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the same room as Caster Troy, with no supervision. That's exactly what I'm talking about. Maybe he has some security watching him, since he's just in a coma and could wake up and he's an insane person that apparently can figure out. Oh, this was obviously a face-off surgery, so we should probably get the doctor that faced off me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, hey, one guard. How about handcuff him to a?
Speaker 1:bed. How about put him in a straight jacket? How about any sort of measures here? I don't know. Put him in a bank vault where he can't get out? Yeah, but how to like? Okay, once he's, he also has cigarettes.
Speaker 2:Who left the cigarettes? Because they're smoking while they're doing surgery, obviously.
Speaker 1:This is my favorite Because they do that all the time. That's my favorite doctor, dr Nick, dr Smoke.
Speaker 2:No, so like, but did I miss something? Because he puts on Sean's face, becomes Sean, yeah, easy. And then they're like oh, you're back already. Yep, that was fast. Yep, there's no, like they're not going to check to see if the prisoner is still in the room or that the face that they wanted to put back on you see, this is what Sean Archer was trying to tell them at the beginning of the movie.
Speaker 1:when they're like you guys are dumb, get cast your Troy. You guys should do better. Obviously, he was so upset at the beginning of the movie because he's most with the most incompetent people on the planet and the most high profile, uh, federal bureau of investigation, yeah, or whatever.
Speaker 1:Holy shit, it's crazy it's great it's wonderful yeah, uh, actually I think what it is is this before anybody realized that caster's gone, he killed them all because it's a secret mission yeah, there's only like three people that knew it the doctor and two people, even though the doctor also had some help, so he would have had to kill everybody involved, which is probably at least 10 to 20 people. So Caster, who's now smoking with no face, popping painkillers with no face and watching a video of the surgery when the doctor arrives, then forces Walt to grab.
Speaker 2:Let's just leave these painkillers in here, in case he wakes up and it hurts.
Speaker 1:I don't know man, I love it. You know what? No, no.
Speaker 2:Just let that thought slide away, yeah.
Speaker 1:So he forces Walsh to graft Sean's face onto him. Dope lack of face. Love the faceless, the muscles.
Speaker 1:And it doesn't fully show it and it's like really cool that they do that. It's like all in reflections and it works and it's creepy and John Woo should have done a horror movie at one point, yeah. So Walsh is later murdered by being burned alive with flammable liquid done by Castor's henchmen. Cool Love to see people burn alive, so fun. Pollux is suspect of Sean, but he convinces him he is Castor and he gives up the location. It's the Los Angeles Convention.
Speaker 2:Center. I feel like Pollux knew it from the beginning.
Speaker 1:He you know you gotta give it to this guy he was, he knew his brother at least Super intelligent guy, I think him and his brother kissed. At least once they did. They have to. No, I think it's just like the classic, like Caster's, only nice to one person and it's Pollux. Yeah, he ties his shoe. Gotta be like a high functioning maybe he's like they're like mom died and like probably had abusive dad and it turned caster insane into a criminal, but he always kept.
Speaker 1:That's this is more like both of them died they lived on the streets and he had to take care of his brother and he did any means necessary and went insane from drug use. It was boring and if you have any ideas of what caster choice?
Speaker 2:back story is comes out of the womb grabbing some fan mail.
Speaker 1:It's all in the description. So Caster as Sean Also, they mimic each other's voices because they got microchips in their voice.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the microchip.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, pretty dope. So Caster visits him in prison. Oh my god, I love it because this is where you got John Travolta as uh playing Caster, troy playing Nick Cage woo, wee, you're good looking, bro. You can't say he's a bad actor after delivering that. No, that's something John Travolta is, so I did enjoy that. Yeah, like uh, there's something so lovable about John.
Speaker 2:Travolta, sometimes like he's a squeaky toy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's like ooo-wee, there's this, there's something, there's like a, there's just like a real like charm about him sometimes. Yeah, sure, and it's like when he's excited, because it's the same thing in like Pulp Fiction when he's kind of gets excited informing him that he killed everyone who knew about the mission, including Sean's friend Tito, who had their wedding band, because he gave his wedding band up and destroyed all the evidence. Damn, you know, he just like walked in that under Okay, so he destroyed the evidence?
Speaker 2:Yeah, he destroyed everything.
Speaker 1:There's no paper trail or anything, and this movie is so stupid, I love it. So he leaves telling Sean his plans to take advantage of his job and family Hell yeah, why not?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, he seems to be more competent than Sean Archer.
Speaker 1:Caster Troy is so smart. If he just wasn't insane, right, he would be the best cop. If he wasn't crazy, yeah, he was pretty good at it. So he the best cop. If he wasn't crazy, yeah, he was pretty good at it. So he uh, cast a Troy as Sean. He gets home and starts sweet-talking his wife. Um, john Travolta is so good in this scene, acting as Castor, trying to act as Sean. He then walks in on Sean's daughter in her underwear and has the hots for her. It's gross, um, but John Travolta kind of dances away. So it's kind of fun Because he's acting cool. It's so weird he's so good at being cool. It's because, like you know, I'm in Greece.
Speaker 2:I have fever.
Speaker 1:He was like fucking cool back then. Hell yeah, he's so funny Because, like, what Doesn't he like? Yeah, because she's like smoking cigarettes and he's like give me a cigarette. Yeah, I'm cool dad now. Yeah, so Caster then has the FBI negotiate a deal with Pollux, who figures out the switch that they've switched faces for his release in return for revealing the bomb's location. Um, fucking sucks for Sean man. Yeah, he's just like seeing all this go down. And he's like, and he's got the Zodiac killer like standing above him, just like wanting to kill him. So Castor tells Pollux that they are going.
Speaker 2:They're all afraid of him, though Right Cause he's like the most insane criminal on the planet.
Speaker 1:Yeah, cause I think he's Castor, and they all respect his craziness.
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah Right, and they all respect his craziness. Yeah yeah Right, because they know he'll kill Adam.
Speaker 1:Like once he started going crazy, they're all like that's looking Caster baby.
Speaker 2:That's my guy.
Speaker 1:So yeah, caster tells Pollux that they're going to go straight. Now they got to live on the straight and narrow. Essentially he says he's going to be American hero finding the bomb and that essentially he's. He says he's going to be american hero finding the bomb and that essentially they could do whatever they want, like take out all their rivals and everything and then they own everything, which would be great. Nice, um caster. He goes to the bomb thing. There's some bomb people like trying to set it off. He's like we have no idea.
Speaker 1:So caster proceeds to disarm the bomb after the bomb squad can't does it with only two seconds left because he's got to be dramatic.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, hell yeah, well, he knows the code yeah, and he revels in the praise from sean's colleagues and the media. I love it. Everybody's like, oh man, this is kind of cool, sean. Now, hell yeah, let's go. He like smacks like the secretary or whoever is like but and she's like yes, she's like I did not like that. She made that face where it you'd think that she was going to turn around and be like, yeah, but instead it's just like what.
Speaker 2:Another woman goes. No, you can't say anything, it's a man, yeah.
Speaker 1:Just say thanks, daddy, and get out of there.
Speaker 2:Yes, Please serve and have another.
Speaker 1:So that night Cass, that night cast, that night somebody needs to take the cornbread out of you. So that night caster has a date night set up for his wife. I got candles, lobster nothing is attractive about having to fucking crack open lobster. It's kind on a date night, yeah. But it's like, okay, I'm glad we're all done up and we're about to have a date night and then have sex. You gotta take a shower after you eat lobster or crab legs.
Speaker 2:Well, that's what they got the big bibs for.
Speaker 1:Bro, your fucking hands are gonna be covered in butter and lobster smell you just lick each other's fingers, that's how you get fish disease.
Speaker 2:And he does the face waterfall and just butter all over. She's allergic to shellfish.
Speaker 1:Bro, you're giving me ideas.
Speaker 2:This is romance 101.
Speaker 1:But it's a very romantic dinner. He sweet talks her and then, like, starts massaging her foot and then they have sex. Hell yeah. So, following Caster's disarmament of the bomb and boinking his wife, or Sean's wife, sean begins an escaped attempt by attacking a guard for a cigarette so that he can get fried, electrocuted. So they take off his boots, apparently because he figured that out. So then he does that, and then a violent shootout ensues and Sean is able to overload the system, ending with the FBI agent successfully evading the prison guards and leaves the prison by swimming ashore.
Speaker 2:I love when he gets on the computer and he selects. There's just an option for system overload. Yeah, yeah, pick that one If.
Speaker 1:I know anything about it.
Speaker 2:It's like are you trying to escape? Yes or no?
Speaker 1:Oh God, yep, exactly Jason.
Speaker 2:And then he jumps in the water and they're like he's dead Cause he got wet. They don't have boats. Nope, they don't. They don't go looking for the body.
Speaker 1:One helicopter. I think it's one of those situations where it's like an impossible prison.
Speaker 2:I'm assuming there's probably like I don't know alligator somewhere, just cover the top with explosive barrels. Oh, surrounded by sharks, can we say? Pretty dope place to have a prison yeah, that's actually kind of cool rig, yeah kind of a cool idea that's like don't, that's boy movie shit right there. There's that movie, that with Sylvester Stallone, escape Plan, escape Plan. I haven't seen that.
Speaker 1:That's also kind of a yeah that's Arnold and Sylvester and it's like funny. It's like so whoever like had the idea to put them in this movie, where they're like what if we did it? But without the face off? There's like an insane Wilhelm scream. Do you know what a Wilhelm scream is? So it's like the type of scream it's something it was like a very, very long time ago, like every John Wayne cowboy movie had it and it was like it was. It's like shit, what I'm blanking on what they call it. It's just like an added in scream that they used to do because, you know they didn't have a. They weren't able to film like sound on location.
Speaker 1:So you know it was all done like post and they just had this guy named Wilhelm and he screamed and it's like almost like all movies have this scream if you look out for it. But Almost like all movies have this scream if you look out for it. But this one is just like an insane version of it. Oh yeah, I got to look that up. Yeah, you should. Once you hear it you'll be like, oh, that's the Wilhelm scream and maybe I'll put it in the podcast, so you can hear it, yeah.
Speaker 1:So also, sean is fine with cops dying, but wants to save the prisoners that are helping him escape. I get that he doesn't like how this prison is treating people, but he they also put the worst of the worst in this prison and he knows he should know about this prison already because this is where he's sending half the people. He arrested him and then he hates this guy because he's treating the prisoners wrong. But like, I would assume that, like would he be upset if cor was being treated like this by this prison guard? No, so I'm just like you're totally fine with all these cops, just prison guards, just dying, just dying. Yeah, I mean, they get paid minimum wage, or does he just not know how bad this prison is?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't think he had any idea. I don't think most people have any idea unless they've actually been in there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I mean like I feel like there's real prisons worse than that.
Speaker 2:Probably yeah.
Speaker 1:Right. Okay so instead of metal boots. The boots are made of wet sponge, like I remember hearing about. There was this one. It was in Louisiana, it was like a prison and they you know a guy was in there and you know Louisiana is like super muggy and wet and hot and they had a little, you know, like a window with bars on it. Right, louisiana has a ton of mosquitoes and he said that like while staying there there's so many mosquitoes that he'd wake up just covered head to toe in mosquitoes.
Speaker 1:And he could like slap the wall just filled with mosquitoes and like just blood Smear, blood, yeah, hell, yeah, that is my fucking nightmare. All the guards are gators. It's like they kind of hiss when they open their mouths. It's like that's all it is, that's how they talk, or just like the sound of like alligators. When you're like at night, it's like, oh man, like a growl. Yes, I don't know. When you're like at night, it's like oh man, like a growl, yes.
Speaker 2:I don't even know what a sound alligator is?
Speaker 1:I don't know. They're like dinosaurs. Dude Happy hey feed me. Okay, well, there was that.
Speaker 2:So Caster and.
Speaker 1:Sean Caster and Sean's wife visit Sean's son's grave. Caster pretends to care. Then Caster learned, but you know, actually, going back to that moment when he visits, there almost seemed to be some sort of Like. He kind of seemed like he regretted the fact that he killed the kid just a little bit. Just like the face he made. I was like it either seemed like he was bored or that he was just like fuck, I didn't mean to kill the kid.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think there's a tiny bit of that. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1:Cool. So caster might have a soul. So then caster learns that Sean is dead, but he doesn't believe it. It wants to see his body, cause you know, after the escape he's like no, he fucking.
Speaker 2:They all should have known that just because you jump in water doesn't mean you're dead. Yeah, for real.
Speaker 1:That's like, it's like classic movie stuff.
Speaker 2:He's just right there. He's like, hey, can I get a lift?
Speaker 1:So Sean, now on land, calls his wife, but he still has Caster's voice. He then calls Caster to scare him. He's like I'm coming for you, baby. Later Sean visits Caster's honorage and successfully fools him into thinking that he's the real Caster. Sean then asks him to help kill Archer.
Speaker 2:What kind of drug do you think they took when he mixed it with the powder in the water? I don't know.
Speaker 1:No idea. I'd assume it was like some coke laced with meth. I feel like everything.
Speaker 2:I think you just drank, I thought you just snorted everything I mean is there, I don't know.
Speaker 1:I don't know, probably like a leucogen maybe yeah, probably some PCP. Ooh, yeah, maybe probably something like that.
Speaker 2:I thought you smoked that.
Speaker 1:I don't know man, I don't know, no, cause I can't eat or drink. It isn't that what they did in like the MKUltra shit, like they made him drink stuff, I don't know. So Sean finds himself having to take drugs and impress Caster's game.
Speaker 1:He jokes about sleeping with his wife to like convince him they ask what he wants to do, like what he wants to do to Sean aka Caster. He says I want to take his face off, Face off. And then everybody around him face off and it's like is this a dream sequence? Why is everybody doing it? They like the idea. Yeah, Never heard it before. It's so amazing, though it's a beautiful scene. They're like should we say the title of the movie in this? Yes, but let's put it all in one scene.
Speaker 2:Several times. Yeah, I love when he brings him his box with the guns and it's also got the chiclets in it.
Speaker 1:It's a weird little box of stuff.
Speaker 2:This is like all the stuff you always have with you. It's like your, your post-prison escape, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:I should just like have a box in my car, just stuff that sometimes I want to do. So. While high, he almost shoots a mirror because he sees Caster's face. As he is high, you get the wild Nick Cage face because Sasha walks in. He's like he turns around. He's got like a. It's like I don't know. I wish this was a video, but for this moment. Wild face and it's like I don't know. I wish this was a video but for this moment. Wild face and it's just like Nick Cage, you, son of a bitch, you did it again. It's on fire.
Speaker 1:He's like the only actor where you see that in a movie and you're just like, yeah, that's the appropriate response. That's the face everybody should make.
Speaker 2:You're kind of not, you're expecting it like what do you?
Speaker 1:think John Woo said Just say like you hate your face and you want it off.
Speaker 2:Here's your motivation you just got a new face. You don't like it.
Speaker 1:You want to shoot it, but you want to also stretch it off by smiling. So yeah, so we're back with Sasha. It presents. So yeah, so we're back with Sasha. It presents. So Sasha, it's Caster's ex-girlfriend, and we also see that there's a little kid there and that turns out to be their son. Adam Caster is talking to Pollux explaining that he will use his government. Caster as Sean is talking to Pollux explaining that he will use his government powers to take out all his rivals, then his daughter and Danny. Oh yeah, so now he's back home and he's like I'm fucking king of the castle king of the castle his daughter and Danny Masterson from that 70s show.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, this is a badass scene pull up in the driveway, he starts to try to rape her and caster beats the crap out of him.
Speaker 2:That was fucking awesome hey, you know it didn't age well danny masters to try to rape somebody. He took this idea a little too. He's like. He's like I like this. Thanks, john woo. This gave me.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna make this a part of my personal great life advice for me that was so sweet.
Speaker 2:Crazy when he comes and kicks in the window. Yeah, it's great. It's like someone should do this danny masterson.
Speaker 1:He then gives her a knife, something her actual father should have done, you know, as like protection, and she's like whoa, thanks dad.
Speaker 2:That's some good. Make sure you twist it. Yeah, thanks.
Speaker 1:That's like some good fatherly advice. There, you know, protect myself Cool. Thanks, father.
Speaker 1:Instead of just being like stop dressing the way, I don't like you. And then he sits down in the thing. He's like wowie wowie, king of the castle, king of the castle Borat. So back to Caster and Sasha. Earlier, sean threatened to put her son into foster care, but he now realizes that she is a devoted mother who's trying to raise Adam away from the poisonous influence of Caster. Pollux, watching Caster's old safe house, informed Caster of Sean's arrival. Sean, as Caster promised her that Archer will not bother her anymore, sean starts to bond with Adam, reminding him of his deceased son Michael.
Speaker 2:In a scary way and like calls him.
Speaker 1:Michael starts hugging him and saying Michael, michael, michael, and then face waterfalls him, it's like this is my dad, yeah get him away from me. Well, it's okay. This son just seems to be like not understand a single thing that's ever happening around him.
Speaker 2:He lives in a crime house. He probably sees a lot of crazy shit. It's wild.
Speaker 1:You know what? Something I do love in like these crime movies is that when usually it's always like the villain is shitty to the kid but like everybody else loves the kid. Yeah, I love when there's like a group of criminals and there's like one kid around and they're all like, hey kid, what's up?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's always so fun.
Speaker 1:It's just like oh, they have a heart somewhere, yeah, um, except Castro doesn't. Uh, so, uh, castro sends in an FBI team. They're all shooting at this kid in the room. There's a kid you don't shoot. I feel like also get some. It would be much easier than just shooting up the whole building Just to fill it with bullets.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So a gunfight ensues, killing most of the caster's crew, while Sasha and Adam escape with Sean's help. And because Sasha's brother I think Sasha's brother this is, I put in my notes Sasha's brother, I think stepped in front of a bullet for her. Love it, shit is exploding everywhere. Love it, shit is exploding everywhere. The kid is listening to tape and then like throughout most of the thing somewhere over the rainbow is playing while the kid watches everybody die.
Speaker 1:It's kind of powerful. Weirdly and it's that was John Woo's idea the studio wouldn't even pay for the song. He paid for it out of pocket and once the movie made a ton of money, they gave the money back to John.
Speaker 2:Woo, and during this scene my bird started singing along with it. It was kind of fun.
Speaker 1:Aw, hell, yeah, dude, I want a bird to watch my movies with me.
Speaker 2:Every time we start laughing, he'll start laughing. It makes us laugh more.
Speaker 1:That's awesome Also I love it. Sasha and Adam. They're like running. Then a kid comes, a guy comes up and like points the gun at them and at gunpoint the kid touches a gun and like it's like, sweetie, don't ever do that.
Speaker 2:Kick some of the balls, yeah.
Speaker 1:Now Caster and Sean have a face Alone in the room. Caster says they should trade back and give each other's faces, give each other's lives back. But Caster can't give his son back to Sean, and it's like because he's like, yeah, but you can't give me my son back. And it's like good, see this. I love this. This little face off is amazing. Because it's amazing? Because they are then at gunpoint. But they're in the mirror, yeah in the mirror, so they're seeing the person they want to kill.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but they're in that body and it's like movies Face off, Face off. It's good Levels baby.
Speaker 1:It's like all the ridiculousness, everything. It's all stupid, but damn it, it works. Yeah, I got a few germs For this one moment it's all worth it, jason, and it's why I want to podcast and scream about it.
Speaker 2:I love when they shoot. He does like a backflip.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he just like moves over and it's like okay, well, it kind of takes away from the moment because it gets this matrix away from these bullets. Fuck yeah, man, holy shit, I could run through all right now.
Speaker 2:Then the guy with the grenade launcher comes in and what it's like.
Speaker 1:Hey, just snipe the guy somewhere. This is why Sean was so pissed at the beginning of the movie If they would have had one sniper for each person in the building it.
Speaker 2:this is why Sean was so pissed at the beginning of the movie they're bad FBI. If they would have had like one sniper for each person in the building, it could have just been like okay, shoot, all right, it's all over now. Yeah, see you later. Alligators.
Speaker 1:Also, if you can shoot any other men in there, great. Just don't hit the woman and child. How about that? Instead, every woman I don't know there might have been kids in there. The cops were just like take them out.
Speaker 2:I love how they're dropping in from the ceiling and getting kicked out of windows. Yeah, just immediately shot.
Speaker 1:It's like stop dropping into these windows when people are actively shooting, like you do that before the shootout starts.
Speaker 2:The bald guy's like my place is getting fucked up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I hope I don't die. So as Sean makes his own escape, Sean catches Pollux and drops him through the apartment skylight, killing him. Hell yeah, that was sweet. Caster is devastated. And when a fellow agent comments about like hey, why are you so sad? He shoots him in the head. It's great. It's like, don't you mess with Caster and Sean.
Speaker 1:That was pretty cool, yeah. Later the FBI agent assistant director in charge, victor Lazaro, berates caster for the unnecessary carnage at the safe house, and we also learn he's Sean is Times man of the Year. Kind of makes sense. Why Donald Trump is, I don't know. I mean, he, like you, can just call it caster, I guess. He caught the worst criminal Like disarmed a bomb, so I guess he's.
Speaker 2:Yeah, most of the time I feel like that happens all the time, like you never see high-level cops taking like huge amount of credit for this.
Speaker 1:It's always like the agency, like they would never be Times cop of the year. But sweet, I love that they did it.
Speaker 2:It's funny so and imagine if we had cops competing the big cop of the year and how many backflips and shootouts we would have.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and how many people would just be like wrongfully imprisoned because they're like look, I gotta be times man, like let's just say, this guy did it. So an already angered caster confesses his true identity and kills the FBI agent or assistant director, blaming his death on a heart attack. Yeah, did you just make him have a heart attack. Well, so he was kind of having it. So he just like I get what like he was, just like punching his chest or whatever Throat, punch them and they punch him to make this heart explode because he was already kind of rubbing his chest while he was yelling at him.
Speaker 2:He's like oh, this guy's one punch to the heart away from dying. It's one chest compression away from death.
Speaker 1:As a result, castro is promoted to FBI Assistant Director Hell yeah. Meanwhile, sean returns to his suburban home and tries to convince Eve that he is really her husband. She's only convinced slightly after he tells her about the last time they saw each other and argued, and he slept in Michael's bed.
Speaker 2:And it's just like lady just scream.
Speaker 1:There's like a cop walking in the house and is like, damn, this department sucks. And and then he's like, hey, check our blood types. Caster's is A AB and mine is O negative. So for scientific proof, eve, who's a doctor, gets a blood sample from Castor and finds it is type AB. Sean is O negative. He then shows and it's like she like pricks his arm and he's just like, oh, what was that? Oh, never mind.
Speaker 2:Also, I think if you're going to do an organ transplant, you have to have the same blood type. Yeah, but if this is O negative, it's universal. But it wouldn't have worked the other way around.
Speaker 1:Shit, dude. This movie works, Levels baby.
Speaker 2:No, it doesn't. That doesn't work at all.
Speaker 1:Well, they're just switching faces, they're not switching bloods.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but no, it's organs. Your skin is an organ.
Speaker 1:He then shows up.
Speaker 2:You're right, jason, that was my bad that was cool, so you can't O negative, can't switch organs with just anybody, it's only or O negative can give blood to anyone, but they can only receive O negative Gotcha.
Speaker 1:So it wouldn't work. Well, someone, this was 90. Does not matter this was 90 science, science, it's different. So then, uh, while she's doing like the blood tests, he then shows up at the hospital and she pulls a gun on him. Sean does. She puts it down when he face waterfalls, her he does it the wrong way yeah.
Speaker 1:He then describes her first kiss, where she broke her tooth and now she believes. So the morning comes and as Eve tends to her husband's gun wound, sean assumes Caster can't be touched and now that he's the new acting director, at which point Eve tells him he'll be at Lazaro's funeral. Sean as Caster says goodbye to Sasha, and Eve as Caster as Jesus Christ. Goodbye to Sasha and Eve as in Caster as Jesus Christ. Sean as Caster says goodbye to Sasha and Eve and Caster as Sean head to the funeral.
Speaker 2:Oh, with so many doves.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's wild that now Sasha would probably date Caster and actually love Caster, because the way he's like being nice, so it's kind of like man.
Speaker 2:good thing she dies a little later because she's going to be fucked up by all this.
Speaker 1:So Sean arrives at Lazaro's funeral during the mass and prays in a side chapel until it finishes and the mourners leave. You got birds flying, while Sean walks in slow motion and doves flying freely in a chapel. Like what are we doing Doves in a chapel At? What are we doing? Why do we have doves in a?
Speaker 2:I'd go to this church Chapel, at least once.
Speaker 1:There's so much bird poop. This is how you get avian flu. He then discovers that Caster is holding Eve hostage and Sean is surrounded, but then Sasha comes out Everybody how's it going? Let's fucking go. It's just like like I got you, no, I got you slush, it comes out.
Speaker 2:I got you other guy, not so fast, it's the. That's the most, ladies and gentlemen ladies and gentlemen, cinema, cinema okay then John Tafelda Cinema.
Speaker 1:Okay, then John Tafalco.
Speaker 2:We did.
Speaker 1:what a predicament it's beautiful man, it's beautiful, it's Oscar, it's just there's. There's just nothing. There's just nothing better, jason, there's just better. Golly, oh, I need tissues. So a gunfight ensues, in which caster's crew are killed so many birds died in the making of this film. Uh, and that's just. It's such like everything about this scene is this is john woo at his best sliding around double handed guns, birds flying the whole time.
Speaker 2:there's three Spider-Men on top pointing at each other.
Speaker 1:It's like three birds, like pointing Whose turn is it to fly in front of a bullet?
Speaker 2:They've all got guns too.
Speaker 1:So gunfight ensues. Caster's crew are killed. Sasha saves Eve and takes a bullet. They've all got guns too, so gunfight ensues. Caster's crew are killed, sasha saves Eve and takes a bullet for Sean Before she dies. She makes him promise that he will not let Adam grow up to be a criminal.
Speaker 2:It's kind of sad. He's like okay.
Speaker 1:Okay, sure, why not? Hey, by the way, how?
Speaker 2:embarrassing when your wife is watching you talk to another woman like that, bro, fucking levels, hey. By the way, how embarrassing when your wife is watching you Talk to another woman Like that Bro fucking levels.
Speaker 1:It's like wait.
Speaker 2:Did they have?
Speaker 1:sex Cause. I had sex with Caster. They kissed a little bit, so there's no way that he did not have sex with her.
Speaker 2:He kinda got into it?
Speaker 1:Yeah, he was totally into it, he's like. Oh wait, I could, but I shouldn't. I could totally do this, but he's a good guy. So Sean and Caster fight, with Jamie arriving late gets stuck in the middle. Caster strangles Sean.
Speaker 2:Do you and Natalie have like a face off clause for seeing other people?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so you know, we had a prenup and we added that to it.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I was just curious. I was just curious, sorry, sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt.
Speaker 1:It's like all right, we can't take each other's money, but also, in lieu of either, one of us get a face off. It is OK for us to bang the criminals.
Speaker 2:Significant others. That's what we got. We got that.
Speaker 1:You really do want to have that in writing yeah, so Caster strangles Sean but wound up dislodging a microtrip on his larynx which gave him Caster's voice, thus returning his voice to normal. So she's like so now Jamie comes up and he's got the gun. It's like they're both, with the same voice, saying it's him, no, it's him. It's like hell yeah, classic bit here.
Speaker 2:It's usually Usually they look the same. Yeah, usually they look the same, but it's kind of cool that it's the same voice.
Speaker 1:It's just like she's just confused and it's like I guess I'll just shoot his arm, I don't know. Then Caster takes Jamie hostage and he's like if it was my fucking daughter he'd get him right in the head. But she is able to escape, ironically using a knife trick that he taught her earlier in the film.
Speaker 2:Yeah, stabbed him real good, but it doesn't seem to really affect him that much.
Speaker 1:Yeah well, he's a psychopath on drugs, I guess. So Caster takes off to the docks and steals a speedboat.
Speaker 2:Let's fucking go Just kills the shit out of that guy. Go fast boats.
Speaker 1:Baby Sean then jumps into another speedboat and goes after.
Speaker 2:Caster Boat fight.
Speaker 1:Yeah, speedboats rule. After a lengthy chase that involves Caster's boat ramming and jumping through a police boat, jumping through a boat.
Speaker 2:Yes, that was full of explosives you know what I wish?
Speaker 1:they gave this movie a $160 million budget. Let's do that five more times. Caster and Sean fighting on a speedboat now, when Sean water skis and dress shoes Hell yeah, dude, so great this seriously ridiculous scene. But man, dude, so great this seriously ridiculous scene.
Speaker 2:But man, it's shot so well and it's amazing the entire time.
Speaker 1:It's like great action. So, and then the boat explodes and they're thrown ashore. It's the whole thing's right. The whole thing's right. It's like I could have done five more minutes of those boats. They're like trying to hit each other with anchors.
Speaker 1:yes, so the two engage yeah, the two engage in a final hand-to-hand confrontation. After Caster Troy beats his foe with a pole, sean grabs a spear gun and stabs Caster in the leg, making him unable to fight. Caster in the leg, making him unable to fight. Caster then tries to destroy Sean's face on himself to prevent him from reclaiming it, which results in Sean eventually killing Caster with a spear gun. Here's the thing he was cutting his face, but cutting where it would be cut.
Speaker 2:To put it back on.
Speaker 1:I was like no, you need to start stabbing yourself in the face. Like ah, that looks like I'm blowing two dudes. There's like the.
Speaker 2:I really did.
Speaker 1:What if he?
Speaker 2:just grabs the top of it and rips it off, yeah, and then rubs it on his balls. He's like, ah, you're not going to want this anymore, and then he's like face rip. So later Eve is able to explain the entire situation it's like hey, that's not how I usually do so. Later Eve is able to explain the entire situation.
Speaker 1:I get your face off my junk man. It's like, hey, that's not how I usually do it. So later, eve is somehow able to explain the entire situation of the FBI, successfully convincing them of her husband's true identity. I mean, how do you explain that to somebody?
Speaker 2:Yeah, and the FBI was probably like whoa, no way, Whoa, Holy yeah.
Speaker 1:And the FBI was probably like whoa, no way, Whoa, Holy shit. Pass me that blunt brother. I like to think she just went in there. It's like I'm going to say this once and only once. Sean and Castor, they took their face off and then put each other's face on each other.
Speaker 1:They're like that's a good idea for a movie. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm doing too much clapping. So Sean is then taken to the hospital and his face and body are restored, minus a scar on his chest from when Michael was killed because he doesn't need it anymore. Okay, Other people know how to do the surgery.
Speaker 2:I mean, is isn't doctor school.
Speaker 1:I think any plastic surgery surgeon can like fix a face, take off the hair completely, undo his body and do it into john sir vulture's body again.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, yeah, they got like a tube that for that, if you are a doctor and went to a doctor school.
Speaker 1:Leave us some comments and tell us. Go to the description. There's a link at the top there's the email at the bottom tell us if this is possible and don't tell us if it's possible now. Tell us if it's possible in the 90s.
Speaker 2:I mean, people do this. Did you ever hear about the guy who wanted to look just like his girlfriend? Uh, uh, I know there's like the Ken guy People do this.
Speaker 1:Did you ever hear about the guy who wanted to look just like his girlfriend? Uh-uh.
Speaker 2:I know there's like the Ken guy who wanted to look like Ken and it didn't work. Yeah, they like sliced off his nipples? Yeah, no, but you can reshape a person's face, yeah, just getting it back to where it was.
Speaker 1:It's like they put like hair plugs back in them.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Okay, works for me All right. Yes, okay, works for me, all right. So, uh, I'm about to yell. The film ends as sean arrives home with adam, bringing him into his family in order to fulfill his promise to sasha of not allowing adam to grow up to be a criminal. He just replaces his dead son. This kid is gonna grow up with so many issues and he doesn't even tell his family that he is bringing him home and they're just okay with it.
Speaker 2:They're like let's go kid how do you got a surprise? Close your eyes, okay, now open up I think I'm gonna pass out new son. What was he just like?
Speaker 1:he was john woo. Just like I want to do the dark ending in the studio, like no. And he's like was it like me when I was writing a script for one of my classes and I wrote it and it was going to have like an ambiguous ending and they're like it needs to be less ambiguous. So I just like made it overly simplistic and obnoxious. And the older teacher was like I like this. And I was just like this is gold.
Speaker 1:God that's not what I wanted to do at all. It was cool the other way, it sucks this way. But I did it obnoxiously because I knew it was never going to get made and I just wanted to be like fuck you, teacher. Sure, this is what you want. And he liked it. And it made me upset and upset and I was like is this what John Woo did? He's just like okay, they want a happy ending. How about the fucking kid just gets to live with them now?
Speaker 2:and everybody's gonna be like la la la, this is fine well, it makes sense to everyone else, because that's what you do when you lose a pet you just get another one. That's true.
Speaker 1:It makes you feel better, that's true that's why I like whenever my animals die. I'm just like I don't think I can get another one.
Speaker 2:They're my kids. But then you do, and then it's fine yeah, I don't know man.
Speaker 1:Well, actually, we just need less pets in this house, so it would be oh, I'd be like three of them have to go.
Speaker 2:We found a place to take the cat we don't want, yeah we have to wait until it's, because we think it might be pregnant, but we don't know for sure well hope it's not so it's gonna take all the kit. Once the kittens are old enough, they'll take them okay, that's cool.
Speaker 1:I was gonna say it's like well, you get rid of the one cat, now you get like 15 kids.
Speaker 2:No, they're gonna take them all cool. It's gonna be awesome. I can't wait. It's gonna be a happy day, my fucking life.
Speaker 1:That's good and that's face. Hell, yeah, we're gonna do our categories.
Speaker 1:First one is good, the bad, the ugly. Our categories. First one is the good, the bad, the ugly, the fine. It's where we discuss the good of the film Something we liked. The bad, something we didn't like. The ugly, something that didn't age well. The fine, something that did age well. The good Action? Yes, insanity. Just Just People writing stuff and just snorting as much cocaine as they can and then passing out and forgotten, forget it. They're just putting in the mail and just like they come out of their drug fueled rage and then pass out and then wake up with offers from every studio and be like I don't even remember doing that.
Speaker 2:For me the best the face off with everyone. Had a gun in church. That was the best thing, chef's kiss Chef's waterfall I've maybe ever seen.
Speaker 1:I mean, it is hilarious, dude. It's just like I got you, well, I got you, well, I got you, and then I got you. When's it going to stop? Honestly, they could have done it five more times and I'd been like, yeah, it fits. You know what?
Speaker 2:add another five, have 15 people come out pointing guns at each other space, laser points at the house yeah got em.
Speaker 1:This is just like, literally, where civilization peaked, it's been downhill ever since 1997 four years later, we got 9-11. A few years later, market crashed, or home market, whatever crashed.
Speaker 2:You're absolutely right, trump, covid Bird flu, more Trump, we're all about to lose our money.
Speaker 1:It all peaked at face off Alright the bad. I mean I guess the whole movie, but it's actually kind of good at the face off alright the bad I mean I guess the whole movie, but it's actually kind of good at the same time.
Speaker 2:So I don't know what else to say. Well, just Nicolas Cage, when him trying to be Sean is great was so bad, yeah, so good so bad, because he wasn't crazy anymore. Yeah, he's trying to be normal, and that is not you, nick. Yeah, it was so bad. Yeah, it was so good, so bad, so weird, because he wasn't crazy anymore. Yeah, he's trying to be normal, and that is not you, nick. Yeah, be yourself.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but then he did it, was there it was still there. It was there I mean, yeah, yeah, all right. So the Ugly Movie needs a 30 minute sequel to show how fucked up everyone is after why probably has trouble sleeping with Sean Now, adam probably rebels against the whole situation because he doesn't know the family at all and, uh, it's probably like it doesn't like them Cause they're like you guys. Just like, took me man.
Speaker 2:Was there an after credit scene? I fast forwarded through the credits and I saw a glimmer of something and I was like fuck, I gotta leave, but I wanna see. So I don't know, Really.
Speaker 1:I don't think there was. I didn't see one. It might not have been. I let it play out through the whole thing. I don't think there was Shit, did I? Well, we'll never know, and if you know, leave us some fan mail.
Speaker 2:What do you got? That was one of the best.
Speaker 1:I think that's every dad's dream. So it aged the worst because Danny Mastin ended up taking his role too seriously. It aged well because you got to see Danny Mastin get his ass kicked.
Speaker 2:Yes, that was amazing, oh my God. But what aged poorly? I think was maybe the whole beginning part With the choir girls.
Speaker 1:Yes, I'm glad it's in there, all right, well, because it was funny, yeah, and she seemed like she enjoyed it. She didn't. She couldn't have been an adult, right? Oh, actually did not think about it like that. I actually thought everybody was an adult in that scene. So, yeah, that age poorly it potentially aged poorly, but just the idea that you know like a Catholic priest doing that to somebody ages poorly.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that has become quite popular, yeah.
Speaker 1:So the find something that aged well Nick Cage Boat fights Boats, boats for driving through other boats, guns Birds. Pointing guns at people. More people showing up pointing guns.
Speaker 2:Holding two guns and then pointing them to shoot and then pulling it back.
Speaker 1:Yeah, somewhere over the rainbow. Hell, yeah, what a good song, shit. I mean it's hard to not say everything because I mean what didn't age well? Another thing was that, you know, it's just like we lost our ability to just like make ironic movies and so, for the fine, also ironic movies were like not made ironically but feel like they made it ironically. Like we know this is stupid, but it's like I don't know, love it, yeah. So we're going to hit our next category Double feature.
Speaker 1:I put there is no movie like this. There's like freaky Friday and stuff like that, but nothing like it. So this is the only movie like this. So just watch the Unbearable Weight of Massive Talent where it's. You know, nick Cage plays Nick Cage and like, people love Nick Cage, they go to visit him and he has like all the memorabilia and like his most prized possession. Are the two guns from this movie? Really, yeah, have from this movie, really, yeah. Have you not seen it? No, it's on. I think it's on Amazon. That's cool. It's on something you should watch it. It's hilarious. Pedro Pascal's in it, what, yeah, if you ever see the meme where you just got like Pedro just is looking at Nick Cage and he goes.
Speaker 2:It's a reference to this movie but and it's amazing, I saw a meme with Pedro on it. It said instead of the Last of Us, it was the Lust of Ass. My 14-year-old daughter showed that to me oh cool.
Speaker 1:Everything's going to work out well. So what's your double feature, Con Air?
Speaker 2:If you can't get enough, Nick Cage put the put the bunny down.
Speaker 1:Yes, con air good movie. Uh, horrible accents. Steve buscemi's character hangs out with a little kid and he's a pedophile yeah that was a super cool movie. It's a weird movie. So on the set of con air, little tidbit. Um, you know that movie has a lot of people like john cusack. Yeah, um, do you have my money, john?
Speaker 1:malkovich nick cage, danny trejo, all these people. And so, uh, someone was doing an interview with danny trejo and they asked him who out of that crew had something that you think like who would be somebody you wouldn't want to mess with? And he said John Cusack.
Speaker 2:Really he said there was something in his eyes Like a murderous look in his eyes.
Speaker 1:Well, it's just like out of everyone there, he thought that that would be the toughest person there, whoa. So out of like Nick Cage, john Malkovich, all these people they're like All those tough guys. It was him, I hope I hearing that interview or something.
Speaker 2:That's interesting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because you know Danny Trejo has been to prison, so you know it's like who would you not want to be in prison with? And that's face off. Yes, we did it. That was fun, that was a wild ride, so join us next week.
Speaker 1:Because we're going to go a much quieter movie, shorter. It's going to be horror because your boy loves the horror, and it's going to be so realistic and authentic to its time. So, unlike Face Off, we're going to ground ourselves, baby, because we're going to be doing the Vivich, the Vivich, the witch with two V's. So get ready for Black Phillip to live deliciously. Hell yeah, black Phillip, because that's what we're doing next week. So join us next week for that. Leave us some fan mail. We're begging you here, especially throughout this movie. Come on, you got to have something to say about this movie. In the description there is a link at the top. You click it. You can just text from your phone Like description. There is a link at the top. You click it. You can just text from your phone like jesse, stop yelling, okay. Or at the bottom of the description, you can be like at we recommend mailbag gmailcom.
Speaker 1:You can just be like jesse, stop yelling or what jason said um, leave us some comments on youtube, give us a review, come on, this is a great episode.
Speaker 2:Like I'm like reeling over here from having fun, holy shit.
Speaker 1:So yeah, I was crying so much. Follow us on social medias Linktree, forward slash. We Recommend Podcast. That's the quickest way to get there. Thank you, Joey Prosser, for our intro and outro music. You can follow him on X at Mr Joey Prosser. And god dang it. This has been the we Recommend Podcast. I'm Jesse.
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