We Recommend: A Movie Podcast
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We Recommend: A Movie Podcast
The Terminator
Before billion-dollar franchises and record-breaking box office returns, James Cameron crafted a lean, relentless sci-fi thriller that would change action cinema forever. The Terminator doesn't just hold up nearly four decades later—it remains a master class in economical storytelling, practical effects innovation, and genre-blending brilliance.
Listen to our podcast breakdown of this sci-fi classic, and share your favorite moments from The Terminator with us. Remember, in the battle for the future, there are no second chances.
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Hello and welcome to the we Recommend podcast, a movie podcast, where every week we recommend a movie for you to watch and then come back here and listen to us discuss. I'm Jesse. I'm.
Speaker 2:Jason, they said there's a storm coming.
Speaker 1:I know because this week we recommend the Terminator. That was my bad.
Speaker 2:I was supporting you to do it. I said I was going to do that part.
Speaker 1:It's all right, okay, whatever.
Speaker 2:So the Terminator? Hell yeah, baby, You're close.
Speaker 1:Give them to me. This movie rules it's so good. What do you think of the Terminator? Hell yeah, baby, your clothes. Give them to me. This movie rules it's so good. What do you think of the Terminator? I think it was pretty cool.
Speaker 2:It's been so long since I've seen it I don't even know if I've ever watched the first one.
Speaker 1:all the way through, really. So you've seen the second one.
Speaker 2:I've seen the second one a bunch.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's funny. I've seen this one more. Yeah, I was just thinking while watching. I was like I know every single part of this movie.
Speaker 2:I thought the guy was John Connor. Yeah, but no, he's just a time traveling milk hunter, I know.
Speaker 1:Kyle Reese more than I know John Connor, because Terminator 2, like I don't know, almost said 2-y like Terminator 2-y, just got a little robot on your head controlling you how to cook. Yeah, it's Bluey though, but I don't know. I guess we had a recording on a VHS tape of this movie and I watched it a lot Like recorded off of television.
Speaker 2:Yeah, nice.
Speaker 1:And we didn't have the Terminator 2, like that Judgment Day. But I saw that one like on TNT a couple of times but I watched this one a lot. I prefer Terminator 2, but, man, this movie is just like.
Speaker 2:It's like it's still pretty good it's like this warms my heart, you know.
Speaker 1:It's so 80s and kind of cheesy and the special effects as a kid rule. And then you see it now and it's like, oh, this is cute, yeah, though I will say like I mean the ending. Like I always, when I think back to this movie, I'm like, oh yeah, the robot looks really cheesy at the end, and then, like it cuts to it. I'm like, oh, this fucking robot goes bro, I like it.
Speaker 2:It looks so good Is it stop motion, because that's what it kind of feels like it's just like puppetry and animatronics and things like that.
Speaker 1:That's what it is and it looks so it looks great. There is some CGI, I'm sure, but like.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I love when he's walking and it's kind of jittery and like kind of like bad.
Speaker 1:But it's so creepy I know it's great and like. This is the movie. This is the second movie James Cameron directed. He was on. I think we discussed this a little bit on Aliens when Dakota was with us, where I told you that he did Piranha 2, the spot hunting, because they fly now and he was just like a special effects director. And then they fired the director and he's like I'm going to do it and it was a miserable time for him. The movie sucks horribly. It was filmed in Italy and stuff, so I don't know, are there a lot of piranhas?
Speaker 2:in Italy? I don't know.
Speaker 1:I don't think it was supposed to be in Italy, but all I know is the movie is so bad, it's wild, but hey, it's cool Cause we're on a fly now, all right, um, but then, like you know, so he had like this background of being able to do essentially every job on a film set Right, and then he becomes the director that hates it. So he actually has this script that he wrote and he sold it for $1. Oh no To the company. And he was like I'll sell it to you for one dollar if you let me direct. Oh, that's fun, and I guess he's just like then that was the dumbest thing I've ever done, because I should have sold it for more and not like gave away the rights to the terminator to this company.
Speaker 1:Um, but he got to direct and he became a legend, I mean essentially after this aliens, terminator 2, titanic avatar, I mean, god dang, true lies. It's like the guy only makes bangers, except for prana 2. Um, but and there was funny something that I was reading is that so james cameron is known for being uh kind of a dickhead on set? Oh, he's like hard to work with, no kidding, but like Linda Hamilton, I said, I think, came out. I was like he's a very difficult man to work with.
Speaker 2:He's an asshole essentially.
Speaker 1:And then Kyle Reese. The guy who plays Kyle Reese is like the issue with James Cameron is that he knows how to do every job on the set and he can do it better than everybody.
Speaker 2:So it's really frustrating to be on a set. Well, is this what he says, right, yeah?
Speaker 1:Well, it's just because he knows how to do every job and you know, he's just one of those people that's very good at filmmaking and it's like you can see it through all his films and it's just like what can you do?
Speaker 2:He's better at it. Wouldn't it be sort of like being a jack of all trades but master of none, kind of thing? Well, he's one of those few people, just master of all right. He just knows how to do everything zaps on the set on a lightning strike.
Speaker 1:Yeah, naked as the day was born, because it's like, because he was on this film set of the abyss and like I think people were like made shirts, like just like calling him an asshole and stuff he's the monster it's one of those things it sucks because you're like, ah, be nice to everybody.
Speaker 1:But then it's like god dang, dude, he owns like every box office record ever. At one point, like every decade, he wins the box office record and it's like I mean, do you have to be an asshole to be great at everything? Like I don't know. A little bit, I guess, because it's you never really find out that, like, the people that are the bestest stuff are normal, cool people that are easy to work with yeah, it's like never hear that boy, I really went on a rant there.
Speaker 2:No, I guess if you have a vision, you have to really force everyone yeah to do it and, and maybe it was just like hey, yeah, I mean, or is this like the spawn?
Speaker 1:Piranha 2 is so terrible, it's like, well, I have to be a dictator on every single set, otherwise my movie is not going to get made and it's like maybe that's nightmares of Piranha, 2. It's funny that you say that. So while filming Piranha 2, he had nightmares and that's how he came up with this movie Shit.
Speaker 2:He had nightmares about robots in the future attacking him, and that's how he came up with Terminator 2.
Speaker 1:Oh those drugs, why can't I have?
Speaker 2:cool dreams like that. I don't know. I never have fucking cool dreams.
Speaker 1:It's always like I'm late for something I do remember as a kid like we had this, this like general store, like gas station nearby and it was like it was family run and stuff. Oh no, and this is where I rented all my like movies and stuff. Oh man, I remember that shit and it was great. I would always get a pizza like every Friday night and then I'd rent a movie. That's cool. I watched like mike a lot. That's where, uh, I can't remember who the kid is that plays it, but uh, he gets some shoes, basketball shoes yeah, that michael jordan wore and he like threw him up on the thing and they fall down and this guy gets it now.
Speaker 1:He's like mike michael jordan, but anyways yeah I remember there was. It was like me and my mom in this store. This was during my dream and there's like a spider after us video like shoes on and a cat in a hat.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man, top hat from the movie. That's horrifying.
Speaker 1:It was coming at me. I always remember that dream. It's really weird.
Speaker 2:It's wearing Nike's, like no.
Speaker 1:I just, it's like you know, like the movie Cat in the Hat like with Mike Myers, the hat like with Mike Myers is like that, but it was a spider instead. I just remember running through the store, hiding because I love that store. All the sounds of sneakers, like on a basketball court the only way to beat him, I had to slam dunk over him you beat him in a dunk contest it's like man, how did I beat a?
Speaker 2:thing with eight arms, I don't know. At the end, air Bud just rips his head off us. It's like man, how did I beat a thing with eight arms? I don't know. You and air bud team up at the end.
Speaker 1:Air bud just rips his head off then air bud turns to me. I'm like shit. Now it's turning into kujo. Um, are you a terminator boy? You big into terminator?
Speaker 2:I do like terminator yeah I really liked. Um, I like the because I saw. Have you ever been to see the old like terminator? Yeah, I really liked. Uh, I like the because I saw. Have you ever been to see the old like terminator thing at universal studios? No, it's like 3d and it's really cheesy like just like the first terminator, because I I haven't seen that I saw that before I saw the terminator, so I didn't really know what was going on, or why it was so cheesy they didn't freaking have anything terminator related to universal.
Speaker 1:It's like I don't know if it's a one.
Speaker 2:It's an older one then it's gone.
Speaker 1:Now, yeah, I'm sure something less good took over it. Um so alright, since I asked if you Terminator boy. Harry Potter yeah, we do get Harry and ghosts. I'm a Harry boy, harry boy, hell yeah you know type of hell, yeah, fucking 80s, 90s stuff. Yeah, which one do you like prefer Terminator, predator or Aliens? Predator I think Predator I love Predator.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like a just cause. He's like a hunter. You know he's got all those cool weapons he rips out spines.
Speaker 1:If it bleeds, you can kill it you know hell, yeah, we're gonna do Predator. City, don't worry alright, I was just curious.
Speaker 2:I think I'm more of a best handshake in film history they are totally gay for each other it's great. Love it. Their muscles kiss yeah.
Speaker 1:I think out of the three I'd actually probably go aliens, terminator, then predator, oh yeah, but I mean they're three perfect movies. So, like, what am I complaining about? Is this arnold's best role playing terminate, a terminator? I think so, especially t2. He, yeah, like you want to cry because you love him so much towards the end. Yeah, that, that's true. And he's I don't know he's, he's not a human man in like real life at this point and it's just like I don't know dude, like he's a robot or an alien or something. So it's kind of perfect role for him. Yeah, and you know, you did Conan the Barbarian before this. Yeah, and I know they wanted like a bunch of other different actors. Like they went through Sylvester Stallone, lance Hendrickson, who's in this movie, and shit, there was Tom Selleck went out for it, like everybody. And then Tom.
Speaker 1:Selleck.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that would be a terrible, but I told him he had to shave his mustache.
Speaker 1:He's like I will literally die before I do that. But then Arnold came in and he didn't really even want him, but like he auditioned he's like shit, hell yeah, and he's got only took off his pants. Yeah, you're higher and he's actually got two more lines in this movie than he did in conan the barbarian, which is kind of crazy well, yeah, what does that, what brings, or what?
Speaker 2:what does that bring the total up to? For lines like four, let's see 14.
Speaker 1:28 lines total in his film career at this point.
Speaker 1:Nice, hey, he's killing it, hey, he's making a lot of money for not saying a lot, and I think the problem with the rest of his movies is that he talks too much. Just kidding, we all love Arnold's terrible acting in all his movies. Yes, predator is probably his second best role. I mean, it's just like the machismo in it. Yeah, it feels like it should purposely sound terrible, but you know they weren't going for it. Something I kind of thought about while watching it this morning Terminator and Michael Myers have a lot in common, it's like the same face yeah, especially when he's like pulling out the eye.
Speaker 1:I'm like man, they should just like redo Halloween again and just put the Terminator puppet pulling eye out of face and it's just like there's a lot of similarities between them, like just slowly walking's a lot of similarities between them, like just slowly walking and then kind of killing everybody except Terminator's better at it yeah, except, I guess not, because you know they kill Terminator and Michael Myers can't die. But I was just like while I was watching it, especially when he like catches on fire and he kind of falls and gets back up, I'm like he's fucking michael myers.
Speaker 2:Yes, it's great, it's robot. Michael myers from the future how horrifying would that be. Like an alternate universe where michael myers got caught really early on, yeah, and then so they had to send back a terminator to serial kill everyone yeah does it change human history for the worse?
Speaker 1:I'd watch that I do, we should do michael myers terminator team up. Yeah, that'd be good and be like well, I guess the world loses in that case, like something that can't die and another thing that's really hard to kill but also can use guns.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then you just got. But Freddy, what's up? Bitch, oh no, bitch. Terminator just rips him in half, he's like oh damn it. So, cameron, he based his fictional universe on real life. Cameron explores his dystopian future via several flash forward scenes throughout the film. In the sequences we see society as we know has crumbled into civilization. So he paints a grim picture in these moments and took inspiration from real life images of Warsaw ghettos in Nazi occupied Poland during World War Two. Damn, I thought I recognized those.
Speaker 2:It looks like Wally going through there, evaporating humans.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I love that this movie is going to happen in. The robots are going to rise in 2029.
Speaker 2:So in Los Angeles. Hey, I thought it was 2027.
Speaker 1:No, I think it's 2029, right, I got it wrong. But you know, so we got something to look forward to guys.
Speaker 2:There's no Skynet yet, but I'm sure Elon's working on something. Well, it was Cyberdyne, yeah, and then, and skynet, yeah, well I think it's a skynet right no, he said, the cyberdyne made the defense network sky yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1:You're right. There's a lot of mumbo jumbo. You know it's. As a kid I never paid attention to what they're really saying. I just knew they're saying words that I liked, and then there was Starlink, starlink. That's what.
Speaker 2:Elon's doing right For T-Mobile yeah.
Speaker 1:So the original script actually had four time travelers two Terminators and two humans. Reesa's partners were killed instantly when he materialized in a wire fence. That was the original script. Nice, yeah, that would have been rad, but they didn't have the budget and apparently this is where they're going to have the liquid metal Terminator Ended up doing Terminator 2. So, yeah, it's kind of cool. He had the ideas of Terminator 2 also in this movie originally but didn't have the budget. So he's like I'm just going to fucking crush this movie and get a sequel. Baby.
Speaker 2:I want his arms to be liquid metal.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So the studio wanted some changes. When the production company Orion Pictures read the script, they asked for two changes. Firstly, they requested that a cyborg canine should accompany Reese. Hell yeah, an idea Cameron turned down. The second suggestion was that Orion wanted there to be a stronger relationship between Reese andah. Cameron took this request on board and developed the love story between aspect between the two. So what did you?
Speaker 2:think of the love story. I think it's so funny. John connor in the future is like I need someone to volunteer to go back in time and make love to my mother. Someone fuck my mom and make me born I think, and he's like, she's like, what happens to my husband? He's like, oh, he's dead. I love you, you're gonna die.
Speaker 1:here's what I love. It was just like, hey, it was just like let's have a really sad boy moment, and then she has to make him feel bad, feel better by sex. Yeah, in the 80s everybody's just like make a's have a really sad boy moment, and then she has to make him feel bad, feel better by sex. Yeah, in the 80s everybody was just like make a girl feel bad and they have sex with you. Yep, like does that actually work?
Speaker 2:I mean you can meet her in one night. Yeah, Kidnap her and then as long as you save her life.
Speaker 1:I feel like at that point she's just like I don't know what is left or right anymore, so like all I know is I might die. Let's have sex with this handsome man, yeah, and let him and not use a condom. No, it's the 80s baby, things were different. So it's true love, baby. Funny thing Cameron and Arnold had a little dispute over a line and then Arnold choked him out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, crushed him with his biceps, so everybody loves the line I'll be back, right. So in Cameron's first draft the script of the Terminator actually said I'll come back. Cameron later changes this to I'll be back, but not. Before having a disagreement with Schwarzenegger. The actor thought that this machine shouldn't speak in contractions and would say I will be back. Cameron ended the conversation by saying to the Austrian I don't tell you how to act, so don't tell me how to write. Damn, that's James Cameron baby. And you know what. I would just love to see that happen. Just like James Cameron, like looking up at Arnold hey, buddy, I don't tell you how to act, sticking his finger. Arnold's just like eating, like, just like a handful of just like meat or something like a giant turkey leg from a renaissance fair.
Speaker 1:You're right, it's like eating when one hand lifting like a barbell with the next other hand, one of those comically huge barbells from the 30s. Yeah, I guess that's probably enough of some of the facts. I also love the score. It's not as heavy in this one as it ends up being in Judgment Day, but the do-do-do-do-do gives me going. When I'm driving on the forklift at work, that's what I do for my horn. It just doesn't sound as cool and you can't really tell, Because I've tried. I'm like hey, what do?
Speaker 2:you think this sounds like?
Speaker 1:And they're like I don't know, I'm like, well, it's Terminator. I also sometimes do the Star Wars theme.
Speaker 2:I don't think anyone did anything other than something shaving a haircut two bits yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1:Uh, people do do that a lot and I'm always like I can learn a new song dudes like do something cool for once in your life and they're just like I'm just driving. I think it's time to hop into the plot, my guy, let's see how weird this gets. There is like one moment where it was kind of like the Nick Cate the face off, when there's just like a lot of dialogue and I'm like what? Yeah, and that's my favorite type of movie apparently All right.
Speaker 1:So Terminator 1984. Oh, I was born then. Oh, over an apocalyptic battlefield dominated by robotic war machines. In the future, humans will wage a long war against an enemy known as the machines. The final battle, however, will not be fought in this future world, but in the past, specifically our present, but also now our past.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it said like the battle's gonna be fought on our planet tonight. Yeah, like okay, tonight I mean, that's a cool thing to see in a movie theater. I guess what tonight?
Speaker 1:oh man, I shouldn't have smoked weed before I came here. I didn't realize I was going to have to battle. You should always smoke weed. Yeah, you should always smoke weed. Great miniature work, though, and love the Terminator theme. It's great.
Speaker 2:I love how the robots are paving the streets with skulls.
Speaker 1:Skulls. Yeah, it's like this will make great gravel. So then the year switches to 1984, and an object is transported through a high intensity and energy field. The object is a man, a dominator, a naked man. It's played by Arnold. He's naked, naked ass machines. Hell yeah, that's a way to introduce something, though, and it's like, you know, he's like kind of curled up, it's almost like a superhero type landing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's great, the cover for the bl's like kind of curled up, it's almost like a superhero type landing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's great. The cover for the Blu-ray that I have is him naked, just spreading his cheeks.
Speaker 2:It's great. Yeah, it's just like dang guys got hemorrhoids.
Speaker 1:I should have took care of that before he put him on the cover. So the man ends up just beating up some punks.
Speaker 2:It's got one. Do these guys do? They're just like taking turns looking through a telescope at night.
Speaker 1:And it's got our boy in it. Twisters, aliens, bill Paxton, baby, that was him in the blue hair. Yeah, he's like the leader.
Speaker 2:He's got like a tire mark on his face. It's great.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this was you know before he was like super super famous. Before he became an amazing actor yeah, and he like punches. One guy, just like straight through his body Punches through his chest, like lifts him up, and it's like, don't you just wish you could?
Speaker 2:do that a little bit. Yeah, okay, I thought he was going to rip out his heart.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's not a. It would have been sweet. It's not a Indiana Jones 2. Indiana Terminator. There's one man left alive and he's terrified enough and gives the Terminator his clothes. So now he's running around naked.
Speaker 1:Not the same size, definitely, clothes don't fit, but I guess they're a little baggy on the guy and in downtown alley a scarred, naked man, much smaller in size than the other and not as good at time travel. Yeah, he arrived in a similar fashion, is forced than the other and not as good at time travel. Yeah, he arrived in a similar fashion, is forced through the portal and lands in an alley. Yeah, he falls and he's like in pain he just like falls on his ass.
Speaker 2:It's Kyle Reese baby, he steals a homeless man's pants.
Speaker 1:Hey, the homeless man had two pairs of pants.
Speaker 2:Okay did he, yeah, he's wearing, yeah, he's wearing pants. Still, I guess he got to put on layers.
Speaker 1:He just stole one of his pairs of pants give me the pants, old man it's like. It's like hey, homeless man, give me your pants. We prefer unhoused now. So he takes a pair of pants from the homeless drunk in the alley, just as a police car pulls up and two cops yell at him to freeze. It's's like why.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, like how do they? They said is that the guy Like, how do?
Speaker 1:they already know that he's here. I guess there's this like naked man running around stealing people's clothes, so they're like it must have been this guy. That was quick man, yeah well, the LA. Punctual. Yeah, so the man is able to Surprise and attack One of the cops Taking his pistol. The cop becomes puzzled by the man's question Of the date. What date is it? May 12th, and the year the guy's like.
Speaker 2:What he says. It's judgment day, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1:It's like Wait, that's not Wrong movie bro. So the unidentified man Breaks into a department store the terminator and steals a coat oh wait, no, this is kyle reese, sorry and steals a pair of nike sneakers. These sneakers look right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they got the strap going around the top of them. What?
Speaker 1:the hell bring that shit back.
Speaker 1:Just fashion used to be fun back then like the fashion of this movie is so bad and great at the same time. It's like we all went wrong. Fashion went the wrong way, it all went the wrong way. So, slipping out of the story, steals a shotgun from the police cruiser finding a phone book in a nearby booth. Also, he looks up the name Sarah Connor the Terminator later kills the owner of a sports gun store and takes a small arsenal of weapons, hot wires a station wagon and finds a phone booth, throwing its occupant aside. It's like, hey, man, stop.
Speaker 2:You got an attitude problem. That guy looks like he looked like that wrestler, that really huge wrestler with the big hair, like the big beard and triple not triple H.
Speaker 1:Triple H. Yeah Well, he wasn't really around yet. Is that triple H? Triple H? Triple H yeah, well, he wasn't really around yet Is that Triple H?
Speaker 2:Triple H does have a big beard. He eventually did. He's got like doctorates and super smart guy he writes.
Speaker 1:No, that's not him man, who are you talking about, I wonder. I know wrestling, I'll have to think about it, hmm, um, so he, uh, he checks the phone book and looks up a name Sarah Connor finding three listings. Damn, sarah Connor is so popular today. Elsewhere, a young woman, sarah Connor, lives the life of a lonely waitress sharing an apartment with her friend ginger. Sarah is living out a boring life that seems to go nowhere. I love oh, they're just like. Oh, oh, dang it, my life is just nothing, I'm just a nobody dang it.
Speaker 1:Oh, I can't even do my waitressing job, right it's like this place is like booked with like this tiny diner like a show he's booked, like so many people's like. Can I please order? Over here and it's like booked, like so many people's like can I please order over here? And it's like, what are we doing? What was it called? Like Biggie, big Buns or something, I don't know. It's like something weird. Oh, she's having the worst day ever. Apparently. Kid puts ice cream in her apron.
Speaker 2:That was weird.
Speaker 1:What are we doing, kid? So the thing with like James Cameron is like he's such a basic writer, like everything. All his movies are so basic, story wise and it's great, it's like how do I show this? Yeah, it's like, how do I show that this lady is just kind of having a just just down on her luck and this is it doesn't know what she's doing in life?
Speaker 1:ice cream in the pocket, yeah let me put ice cream in a pocket. She's having trouble being a waitress oh, she's going it in life. Ice cream in his pocket, yeah, let me put ice cream in her pocket. She's having trouble being a waitress oh, she's going nowhere in life. It's like, oh, I know what will spice up her life A Terminator, yes, and getting naked, naked man and having unprotected sex Yep, guys, you know what? It's a good time.
Speaker 2:This movie tells you you you should have unprotected sex because your kid might save the future To fight the robots? Yeah, exactly, but in the future, if they know that she lives and that they're going to have to send another Terminator back to fight another Terminator, am I just getting lost in the time continuum?
Speaker 1:Well, you shouldn't talk about Terminators 2 yet. That's when things start getting a little complicated, because in this film it's the Terminators are losing. So they send a Terminator back in time to kill Sarah Connor. So John Connor doesn't exist. Therefore, they get to just destroy the world and become robot people and they just like I don't know, beep boop everywhere. Yeah, so Beep boop, and in the second one, boop boxing. Yeah.
Speaker 1:So, and in the second one I'd have to watch it before I'd say damn Kendrick Lamar, big fan of Terminator, or the version of Terminator I make up. So the Terminator goes to the address of the first listing of Sarah Connor. As he walks into the front door, a small dark box at him. When Sarah Connor opens the door, the man forces his way inside and brutally murders her with a pistol he's acquired. Yay, here's the thing. Damn, that probably sucks, especially if you live in Los Angeles watching this, you're like dude, like this is always happening here around this time like 70s and 80s, a lot of murders going on.
Speaker 2:You know, like all, like the like serial killers around there the Night Stalker that was like the best time of their lives.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like dang, is someone going to break into our room, tie up everybody in there, put plates on them and then go like have his way with the other person?
Speaker 2:And then it's like ugh, something you got to worry about, that was an actual thing that was happening in California.
Speaker 1:I don't know if it was during the 80s or 70s, but it's just like I think it was. The great 70s, but it's just like it was the great killer, and then it ended up being a cop. Who's it did it and it's like oh yeah, he's a retired cop.
Speaker 2:They found him through 23 and me yeah, that place just went out of business I know, gray, I'm glad I spent money on that murders anymore, damn it.
Speaker 1:You figured like the government would be like this is actually kind of helpful. Let's just keep giving them money, you know you'd hope so, yeah, so not long after Sarah's co-worker drags her to the television, where Sarah sees that a woman sharing her name is then murdered by an unidentified assailant. Thanks, friend. Yeah, that'd be pretty cool, though it's like whoa Jesse Baker was killed. No way.
Speaker 2:I hope they're not looking for me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I hope they're not looking for me. Yeah, so we cut to Kyle Reese, who is having a flashback to the future war. Hell, yeah, good name for a war Zap, zap, zap, where he's almost killed by the cyborgs. That was pretty fun. Yeah, scene, this is great. Yeah, just like all the lasers and shit.
Speaker 2:The lasers in this movie look so good.
Speaker 1:It's like we watched Star Wars recently and like the lasers kind of janky, like the way they come out of the guns and like where they end up shooting. This is like pinpoint precision.
Speaker 2:And it's like James Cameron baby.
Speaker 1:This is what he's good at it's got like gatling lasers. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh future wars.
Speaker 1:So Sarah and her roommate Ginger prepare for separate dates. Ginger's boyfriend, matt, will be coming over to spend the night. Weird sexual phone call Guys, it's a freak.
Speaker 2:I love it about him. He calls he's. I feel like he's memorized the script and he's like she's going to love this. And then it fails the first time, cause he doesn't even know who he's talking to.
Speaker 1:It's so good.
Speaker 2:Cause he immediately does it again and he starts over. This is so good over.
Speaker 1:This is so good she has to hear this. It's like she's gonna be loving this. She's gonna rip my clothes off as soon as I get here. I can't wait to talk about their weird sex. So we cut to the cops talking about the connor murders got lance henderson. Hell yeah, baby pumpkin head himself or the man in pumpkin head.
Speaker 1:He's also in the most recent season. Oh, white lotus, it was very fun seeing him here. He was actually the first person up for the Terminator. This is who James Cameron wanted originally. Terminator A little short. Yeah not, you know, it's like it would have been fine probably if he was small, but like damn dude yeah.
Speaker 2:Arnold, come on, think about like a robot needs. If you're going to cover a chassis, it's going to have to be meaty, yeah.
Speaker 1:Which I feel like If they made the Terminator now, he would be someone skinny like Lance Henderson, like if it was a new idea. They'd be like you know, it'd be actually kind of cool if he was a skinny robot. So Sarah decides to go out because her date canceled. She's like smooching on her lizard it's not a euphemism for anything. When she leaves, we see Kyle Reese is following her. Cops try to call Sarah, but her roommate and her BF are having weird sex and don't answer the phone.
Speaker 2:She's got her headphones in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and he's like the phone's ringing, he's like under her shirt, it's like around his neck, it's like okay, and then he like turns up the volume so she doesn't hear the phone, and it's like, and then she's just like bopping her head, like yeah yeah. Yeah, this is so fun, this is good music.
Speaker 1:And it's like is that like fun sex? Like, is that like a cool way have sex? Like I just feel like it'd be like well, she's not really, is she into this with me? Or it's like should I be into this? It seems like like I'm just doing my thing, she's just doing her thing you're not wearing a condom, right?
Speaker 2:yeah?
Speaker 1:yeah, that's good because, uh, my kid might, might have to fight robots in the future. So, um, sarah sees a news report where the police announced the death of another woman sharing her name. Sar Sarah becomes worried and sees Kyle Reese following, so she's like hmm, well, I mean, it's cool that she's like aware that someone's following her.
Speaker 1:She's aware of her surroundings. So far, love Sarah, she's doing everything right. She tries to call the police but the lines are busy and she's like, well, fuck this, I'm hanging up. And it's like, maybe wait, matt and Ginger, they both get attacked by the Terminator who mercilessly slays them both, before hearing Sarah's voice on a messaging machine saying where she is, and he goes and like, finds her little like book of phone numbers yeah, a little black book.
Speaker 2:He's so smart. I never did he was supposed to be like the ultimate intelligence.
Speaker 1:I only needed like three numbers back then, though Not now where everybody has a phone.
Speaker 2:And you had to memorize your numbers. Yeah, if you didn't have a cool book.
Speaker 1:I still remember the main ones as a kid. I don't Anybody else's, I have no idea. So Sarah then phones the police department again and is connected to Lieutenant Traxler Fun name the detective investigating the Sarah Connor killings. He tells Sarah to stay put until he can get a squad car out there.
Speaker 2:I feel like they should have stayed on the phone talking until the squad car got there, that's what they usually do, but she didn't call 911. Law enforcement's calling. Yeah, well, yeah, she did.
Speaker 1:She just well, they like, oh yeah, they kept redirecting her, yeah, and then it got to her. So the Terminator arrives at the club, dispatches a bouncer okay, buddy, you can't come in here just squeezes the hand and breaks his wrist and then everybody's like I just let him in, it's just four dollars, yeah, so Sarah is spotted at the club by the Terminator and it's immediately targeted. Kyle Reith, who snuck on into the club, opens fire on the Terminator with little effect. Great slow motion yeah, the sweet ass dance scene.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're all doing the same dance dancing. He's like slowly walking to her getting ready to shoot her, and then car is like it's like unload, it's like perfect oh yeah, I love the total disregard for human life yeah, it's great, it's amazing because it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2:She's the only one that has to live. Yeah, that's it, everybody else die, baby little does he.
Speaker 1:She's the only one that has to live. Yeah, that's it. Everybody else die, baby Little does he know? Like the second in command of John Connor's in that room, and he accidentally kills it. Everything goes awry, the butterfly, yeah. And then, after firing a burst from a Hizouzi, the Terminator advances on Sarah, ready to kill her. Kyle Reese, wielding a shotgun, fire several blasts, throwing the Terminator through the club's front window, where he lands on the street. Kyle picks up Sarah, saying come with me if you want to live. Did he? I missed that? Yeah, he says that. And then you know, I thought he just said it in the second one. Yeah, well, that's a.
Speaker 1:Kyle Reese says it in this next one and it's like fun, yay, hell, yeah and it's just like it's that thing that it used to be fun to re-say lines, yeah, from previous movies. Then I feel like all these dumb action movies just trying to like, make, uh, make money off being like it's the line from the movie that you know this person best in is doing or like star wars, where they've been saying the same line from like 12 movies over and over and over.
Speaker 2:But it's like it used to be like yay, he said that from the other movie we haven't completely went bankrupt yet it's like when they say the name of the movie in the movie yeah, I do love that, though I mean this movie says it all the time.
Speaker 1:Terminator, so Sarah watches horrified as her would-be. I do love that, though I mean this movie says it all the time. Terminator, so Sarah watches horrified as her would-be killer rises from the street and runs after them. Sarah and Kyle escape through the back door of the club with the Terminator chasing them, his vision revealing that he's not a human. Yeah, he's got a really bad user interface. Yeah, Terminator and Predator.
Speaker 2:Sucks for them, man.
Speaker 1:They just just they don't see normal it's like, oh, it's like could imagine not seeing how I saw right. It's like when you think how you learn, like as you grow up and you learn that like cats and dogs see things differently, and it's like I feel bad for them man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, do we really know what they see?
Speaker 1:I don't know but my cat burt. He knows what the tv's like, he can see the tv and he knows what's going on because he constantly will be eating now, so there's a noise on the tv. He's like staring at it and then he'll like stand up and just kind of watch it for a little bit and it's so cute all of them. So sarah's new companion shoves her into the stolen car and speeds off, while the killer subdues a cop and takes his car. I love it when they're trying to speed away from the Terminator, he jumps on the car and punches through the window. It's so good. It's like we've seen that like a thousand times. But like, why does it feel better in this movie? I feel like it earned it right. Yeah, I think so. Where it's just like hell, yeah, of course this guy's going to do it and it's kind of terrifying, because those are like the hardest to break.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I don't know, there's just something about it where I was like, and maybe it's just because the way everybody's dressed is kind of cool, especially the Terminator.
Speaker 2:He's so fucking stylish in this movie. It's great.
Speaker 1:The studded jacket and the gloves. Oh, and he's got like an 80s shirt underneath it. Why did you have to put on the gloves too? He's got the trench coat.
Speaker 2:Really Like the robots really like accessories that much.
Speaker 1:Yes, they want to look good. That was the one thing they hated in the future wars. They're like oh man, we're all wearing like hipster stuff, like you got like robots wearing like skinny jeans, like sweaters and like like fedoras or something Like some of the like the most hipster clothes, because that's what you know we wear now it's fancy, but back at they're like man.
Speaker 1:I wish we could be in the 80s, where we wear like cool trench coats and then we get to put on our leather jackets yeah, they didn't have a getting dressed montage for the Terminator.
Speaker 2:They do that in like T2, just like trying, yeah.
Speaker 1:So during the chase, her rescuer explains that he is Kyle Reese, a soldier from the future sent back through time to protect her, and that she's been targeted for termination. He explains that her assassin is actually a cybernetic organism or cyborg, a sophisticated robot covered in human flesh. This Terminator is designed to infiltrate human groups, mostly undetected, and wipe them out. Some guys will just say anything I know for real.
Speaker 1:It's like this is all you got to say to people to get them in bed Like dang people in the 80s were doing it wrong. So Sarah doesn't believe him and tries to run. She bites him and he lets her. He then gets serious and says the Terminator will never stop. She asks if he can kill it. He says I don't know. With these weapons, with these weapons I don't know, just like with these weapons, spices his muscle.
Speaker 2:You fucking know it, and then she runs as fast as she can.
Speaker 1:It's like dang it. I gotta find Hulk.
Speaker 2:Hogan.
Speaker 1:He's the only person that can fight Arnold. He's been watching too much Andrew Tate. To too much Andrew Tate, yeah. So Reese further explains that Sarah is destined to give birth to the humans' future leader, john Connor. That a nuclear war that killed most of humanity was initiated by a new powerful computer system, referred to as Skynet, that was tasked with controlling all defense systems. Reese grew up in the ruins, was enslaved and marked with a barcode. The remainder of the human race, he says, was on the verge of extinction when Sarah's son, john, was able to organize them into an effective resistance movement that, by the time Reese was sent back to the present day by Connor himself, had defeated Skynet. Desperation, skynet sent the Terminator to the present day to murder Sarah and eliminate John Connor's existence.
Speaker 2:All right, take a breath. What? This is a huge lore dump.
Speaker 1:And like at first it was like they're doing the lore dump with like while during the chase scene I was like yeah, this is how everything should be said during a moment of chase. So it's like interesting, but also it's just like you really need to understand this information. But they have so much lore. But then they park and they're like all right, we have to park, all right let me explain.
Speaker 2:There's a little bit more.
Speaker 1:I know I said a little bit, but now we got to park and talk to you about this. Yeah, but you know, I mean pretty straightforward, pretty understandable, Easy to understand in the script, Like I get it.
Speaker 2:I mean for her.
Speaker 1:There's no way she should believe in you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Like she was right to try to run away but here's the thing she also saw him pump like five rounds of a shotgun pretty close up to him and it's like how's he like? It's like kind of put it together like well, maybe, though, right, he should be dead. He's either Michael Myers or a robot from the future at this point, or I don't know. I guess 50 cent, I guess 50 Cent, I guess he could be 50 Cent.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he got shot a lot. Yeah, he got shot like 900. Maybe he's a Terminator. That's why his music's so hot. Yeah, it's so hot.
Speaker 1:Right now we know who Kendrick Lamar is, so His walk dance is kind of like the Terminator. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2:We.
Speaker 1:We figured it out, guys. I was watching a reel and it was just like I think it was at MetLife Stadium and he's playing that song and you could hear the entire audience singing with him and it's just like remember when people were like the halftime show was bad and it's like you guys are wrong. Everybody loves Kendrick Lamar. We all have bad opinions when things happen because we're all so negative.
Speaker 2:Maybe the Terminator should get us. Yes, anyways, man, I'd like to see a football game where it was only terminators like just to death or something man, they actually have a video game like that.
Speaker 1:They have like a mutant football game. Nice, oh dude, it's sick. I've never played it, but it looks sick. So reese hides them temporarily in a parking garage. Uh, looking for another vehicle. The Terminator finds them there and chase resumes. Reese has Sarah take over driving and is able to hit the Terminator with a few blasts from his shotgun. Sarah stops her car and the Terminator crashes into a wall.
Speaker 2:Did she just throw it into park and that's how she hit the brakes? I don't think that's how it works In the 80s.
Speaker 1:that's how cars worked. It's like we don't think that's how it works In the 80s. That's how cars worked. It's like we don't. Nobody's wearing a seatbelt.
Speaker 2:Our cars suck now.
Speaker 1:They stop by themselves because of technology. In the future, our cars stop because of Terminators. Yeah man.
Speaker 2:He fucking slams into that wall. It's great. You think he would have been thrown out the front splattered on the wall.
Speaker 1:He's too heavy, he can't. So when she and Reese are arrested, she sees the Terminator has escaped the scene. So at Traxler's seriously, what a name, man Traxler Like. I hope I'm saying it right it's T-R-A-X-L-E.
Speaker 2:ER Traxler Like Trax.
Speaker 1:Police at Traxler's police precinct. Sarah is told that Ginger is dead and that Reese has been turned over to criminal psychiatrist Peter Silberman. I love this guy.
Speaker 2:This guy loves his job yeah.
Speaker 1:And you know what? He's so fun. He's kind of a fun character. You know you should be like against him because he's like trying to stop the plot. But it's just like man, everything this guy's doing seems right and uh also, well, they're just making fun of reese. Yeah, it's funny. It's like I would too. If I was this guy. I'd be like guys in loony he deserves a loony bitch.
Speaker 2:That's a fun. That's gotta be a fun night for police. Yeah, someone coming and telling crazy ass stories.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you want to keep talking as long as you can yeah, it's like he's like I going to make a book deal out of this guy and it's like, yeah, this is wild. I really like this guy. I don't know, he's funny. He's been in like a bunch of movies too that have seen him and he always kind of plays a similar type of like. So his story about the Terminator and the future he'd come from is treated as babbling, babbling of a psychopath. During the interview, silverman asked Reese why he didn't bring any weaponry from the future with him.
Speaker 2:Which lasers.
Speaker 1:To which Reese Dropped my ring. Don't want to lose that. During the interview, silverman asked Reese why he didn't bring any weaponry from the future with him, to which Reese replies the only living material go through the time portal. During the interview, silverman asked Reese why he didn't bring any weaponry from the future with him to Reese, to which Reese replies the only living material go through the time portal and it wouldn't fit in his carry on. Yeah, it's like dude, I was naked. I didn't have pockets.
Speaker 2:I charged an extra $80 to check back.
Speaker 1:It's like everything's such a subscription in the future like you wouldn't understand. I already paid for so many subscriptions I couldn't pay for the able to take my gun exactly those commercials. I feel like if we did a bit time travel.
Speaker 2:That's what they're going to use it for just to send back advertisements yeah, that's all it is.
Speaker 1:Hey, people in the past, in the future. If you pay money now, we'll bring you back to people in the past. In the future. If you pay money now, we'll bring you back to life in the future. Doesn't that sound good For a low payment of $50 a month for the rest of your life, until you die?
Speaker 2:and the future happens they send Arnold after you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like pay your $50. Then it's like you pay it and it's like if you do not pay again, I'll be back. I want that movie now. That'd be a good movie.
Speaker 2:One month $50,.
Speaker 1:One year yeah, of course it's a great deal, or you can pay a million dollars now, which would only be like actually $30 a month for the rest of your life. Let's do it. It's so frustrating how that is actually how it works. So what have we done with ourselves? Remember when we just used to buy shit and we just had it forever because we bought it with our money? Yeah, instead of now, we just give companies money and they're like we get to do whatever we want with our services. Yep, damn, you know what I love that physical media. Kyle reese thinks he has a rough future. He didn't live through this shit. I think he did. Yeah, he did, but it just seemed like their future didn't make it to this time.
Speaker 2:I don't think no yeah, they've aren't like we're. We're in the time that they're having a nuclear war, maybe in their time yeah, but you know at least at least their tvs in this future war. Oh yeah, they're watching the yule log channel. Yeah, yeah, this is not that much different.
Speaker 1:Everybody still seems kind of miserable and angry all the time, you know I saw.
Speaker 2:The witcher has its own christmas like fireplace. I know it's wild.
Speaker 1:My favorite's the adult swim one. They should make a terminator we've seen the adult swim tv, the adult swim yule log. Uh-uh, it just plays out into a horror movie. It's great. That's awesome. Yeah, you should watch. It's on max. It's great. It like starts off as first it's just a log for a while and then people come in.
Speaker 2:They're like on a romantic, like cabin retreat and stuff, and then it becomes a horror movie, that's all die.
Speaker 1:That's awesome. It's beautiful dude. It's great. Adult Swim was just doing the best like late night stuff. It's great. What were we talking about? Frustrated and impatient over Silverman's line of questioning, reese becomes enraged, shouting about how the Terminator is programmed for the ruthless efficiency and will not stop its pursuit until it's destroyed or it can kill Sarah O'Connor, sarah.
Speaker 2:O'Connor. I hate how many close-ups they do of this guy of Reese. Yeah, they do a lot of like face close-ups.
Speaker 1:They really want to show that cut on his lips.
Speaker 2:I know it's so weird.
Speaker 1:They're just like dang it. We got a handsome man, we better close up on him. So the Terminator goes back to the shoddy hotel room where it's hiding out. It fixes his hand. It's right as fuck when he cuts open his wrist and then you just see like the mechanics in his arm. It's like cinema. It removes one of its eyes that had been damaged when it was shot by Reese. Under the eyes a sophisticated robot eye that glows red. It dons a set of sunglasses and marches out to resume the hunt for Sarah, taking its shotgun and an AR-15 rifle. Looks fake as hell the face. But why? Is it better than any CGI I've ever seen in my life? It's not.
Speaker 2:It is, it's not. I mean it's okay.
Speaker 1:It's so good In like a in like it looks bad, but it's like. I think I'd rather that than a CGI version. Yeah, I think I'd rather that than a CGI version. Yeah, I guess. It makes me feel like someone put some damn work into this movie, but not enough, not enough. But you can't make someone look like Arnold, because the man doesn't look like a real human.
Speaker 2:I know it looks like they pulled off Mike Myers' mask and put it on.
Speaker 1:Arnold. Yeah, I know, and it's better than the rest of the Halloween masks Like this, and it's better than the rest of the Halloween masks Like this mask. The Terminator looks better than Halloween 2 through the rest of the movie's mask, which is wild.
Speaker 2:Looks more like Michael Myers.
Speaker 1:But I don't know. There's such a. I guess there's just a nostalgia for this bootstraps type of yeah, I guess, so Like practical effects. It's just like yes, yes, I know it's fake, but hey, he's a robot. It's supposed to be kind of weird and jittery.
Speaker 2:He's fixing himself.
Speaker 1:That makes sense. He just looks like a weird rubber version of him, like the Walmart version. And actually have, so they use multiple effects to achieve all the shots they needed. The eye surgery scene, for instance, is a blend of Arnold and a puppet headstand in which articulating recessed eyes so it could move in a socket.
Speaker 1:The scene where the Terminator is sitting on the bed with the address book is makeup on Arnold's face for the medium-sized shots, combined with shots of a puppet in the front close-up so that they could get the shots of the eye moving while it's reading through the book. Additionally, the script calls for the terminator skin to look waxy at this point because it suffered a hit to the small pump that supplies the blood to the skin. It's a uh ganger, like gangrene, yeah, like supposed to type get that feel. Uh, the waxy effect on the puppet didn't photograph particularly well, though. Uh, the makeup in the final scene where the tanker is simply um, like, where the tanker blows up Just simple appliance.
Speaker 1:Yeah, on top of Arnold's face. It doesn't have an articulating eye, nor is the eye recessed. It actually bulges out a bit so that it can accommodate the light. They still use the puppet for any articulating eye movement, so I guess the waxiness of the face it just didn't photograph well.
Speaker 2:How is anybody supposed to know that his blood pump stopped working? I guess because yeah, and why does he have blood? Because he's supposed to be fleshy he only has skin, he doesn't have organs he's got to be fleshy.
Speaker 1:Though he's flesh, he's a cyborg. They have a little bit of blood in him, right? Otherwise he couldn't travel to the future and pass. Yeah, yeah, I guess so. Hey, jason, it makes sense.
Speaker 2:What if only his skin traveled to the past?
Speaker 1:Just like a lump of skin. Some homeless man finds him like oh my God.
Speaker 2:Where is it?
Speaker 1:So soon, Hannibal Fava beans yes. So it's like, ooh, this will keep me warm during winter Fava beans. Yes, so it's like, ooh, I could. This will keep me warm during winter. It's ugly.
Speaker 2:So at the police precinct it makes your butt look amazing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh man, this guy had hemorrhoids. So the Terminator arrives at the police precinct, arrives in the foyer and asks to see Sarah. When the desk officer refuses his entry, it drives the police cruiser through the lobby, killing the officer I'll be back with a car, I'll be back.
Speaker 1:He just like looks around, I'll have an idea. This place seems like it'd be a great place for a car In the future. We use cars to enter doors. So it marches through the precinct, wrinkly, slaughtering every officer it finds. In the battle, Traxler and his partner Volkovich, Lance Henderson, are both killed and Reese escapes confinement. Great scene, right, yeah, this is probably like terrifying for people in the 80s. Yeah, just like going through systematically killing everybody, everybody's shooting him and he's like ow, it's great. There's something so like before Arnold became this like almost kind of a joke of an actor, right, yeah, Because it's like he can't act. Usually people love him because he says lines weird and he's usually and then like, think about, like, think about, like in the later 90s he's like playing like a family man and it's just like him. This guy's not just a family man, Like Jingle.
Speaker 1:All the Way yeah and it's like huh, I kind of love Jingle All the Way, though I think that movie is a movie.
Speaker 2:That has got.
Speaker 1:Sinbad. I watch it every year. Yeah, sinbad, the guy who's going postal movie's wild. But yeah, there's just something like because now he kind of he's like we think of him as a joke now, but like back in the day it's just like a man like that walking through a precinct shooting people. That's terrifying. Like right, it's like Andy's a foreigner. I guess we'll still be terrified of something like that today.
Speaker 1:Right, he's an alien. Yeah, so he finds Reese, finds Sarah, and the two escape the precinct. They hide out under a bridge. Here we go. More lore Kyle tells Sarah about John. She jokes that she knows what the names of the kids she's called are going to be. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm so cold.
Speaker 1:And I love that Kyle puts his arm around her. It's like, hey, you have a coat on, give it to her.
Speaker 2:That's what I thought he was going to do. He's like no.
Speaker 1:I'm fucking cold too, dude, that was mine. In the future, you can't give up your clothes, okay, she, that was mine. It's not a general. In the future, you can't give up your clothes, okay. She asks about the father, but we learn that he dies before the war and she's like no, no, no, don't tell me anymore. Actually I don't want to hear about any of this.
Speaker 2:But which means you're single and I know that.
Speaker 1:Tongue rolls out of his mouth like a dog. So now she's starting to realize Kyle's story might be true. She asks him to tell her where he is from. Sarah is told about the future where humans barely survive amid the wreckage of cities, the dominance of the Terminators which were produced by Skynet late in the war to find hidden human settlements. In Kyle's vision of his own time, he has returned to an underground bunker. After finishing a patrol with his unit, he finds a quiet corner to rest among the starving occupants, looking fondly at an old Polaroid of Sarah herself. At the door of the bunker a Terminator busts in and begins to slaughter the occupants. Reese tries valiantly to destroy the intruder, but an explosion knocks him to the floor as the Terminator advances.
Speaker 2:It was Arnold that came in in his future dream.
Speaker 1:It doesn't look like him, though it looks similar to him, but I think maybe it's just like they all are just big hul, human, little annoyed looking creatures. I love the red eyes, yeah, when it's in the dark, and it's badass gun and it's like the movie sinners kind of does a similar effect with the eyes and it's like, oh shit, hell yeah, ladies and gentlemen, we're doing eye shit. It's great. Give everything red eyes in movies, it's good um, but I love that.
Speaker 2:I love this idea that he's got a picture of a dead woman that he's falling in love with. One day he's like, one day I'll go back in time and we'll fall in and I'm gonna bang this lady. It's so wild it's weird, or is it more like a, like a reverence thing, like she's the leader of the resistance saver of humanity, and it's like the mother having a picture of the mother, virgin mary or something.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean yeah, similar right like she's worship it's like this woman gave us john connor. This is the woman that birthed our jesus.
Speaker 2:She's so hot yeah, she's got a headband on. Can I have that picture of your mom?
Speaker 1:yeah, don't worry, I'm only gonna give her a picture of his mom, john died.
Speaker 1:John connor died yeah, I think he's dead at this point in the timeline. Oh right, I don't know, I can't remember. I just watched it too. I'm so good at this. Um, yeah, so uh. And then she has the dream. I mean, it feels like she's remembering this, but it's like you weren't alive during this. But I guess it's just like he really just like laid out the story so well she dreamt about it. I don't know, um, but then we cut to the Terminator, using Sarah's phone book to find her mom's location. A person goes hey, it smells like a dead cat in there.
Speaker 2:Fuck you asshole so it goes through all the different answers.
Speaker 1:It's like really, I feel like that's how our brains work.
Speaker 2:Just a little bit faster, though. It's like one of those old toys that just has program responses.
Speaker 1:It's because he learns how to speak after hearing people.
Speaker 2:Say like four things, programmed to say four things when you pull a string.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a thing is it's like it's kind of silly in this movie, but then, like, when you get to Terminator 2, it's kind of beautiful, especially because he learns how to talk and it's like he's learning from this kid. And when he dies, he puts up his thumb and it's like oh, filmmaking. It's why we have a podcast, this is why I like James Cameron's such a good filmmaker man, it's wild. Good filmmaker man, it's wild. So, anyways, later the two reach a roadside motel where Kyle goes to purchase chemicals needed to make explosives. While he's shopping using borrowed money, sarah showers and phones her mother, telling her the phone number, where she is unaware that her mother is actually the Terminator.
Speaker 1:Recreating the voice of her real and now dead mother.
Speaker 2:It's great, that's terrifying. Yeah, it's like panning through the room where she's obviously been murdered.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like oh, poor Sarah Connor, she's not even going to know. It's like a talk boy. Yeah, it's great. So the two make a stockpile of explosives, teaching her how to make plastique from household items and small links of steel pipe. He could have also bought food. Yeah, he could have bought a little bit of food. It's like so, what's for dinner? Plastique Mothballs, hope you enjoy mothballs.
Speaker 1:It's like an elf when you're seeing the cotton balls. So when Sarah asked Kyle if he has ever had a lover, he replies he is not. In fact that fact touches Sarah.
Speaker 2:Kyle then mentions having a photo of Sarah and how he has fallen in love with her.
Speaker 1:Sarah, then has sex with Reese and results in the conception of Sarah's and Kyle's son, john Connor. I put, ok, boys will fall in love with anything and I love the sex scene. It's actually I was thinking that the sex scene was super weird. It's really like not as weird as I remember as a kid. I don't know what sex scene I was thinking. I thought it was going to be like bluer, like a bluer. I think I'm thinking of the Tom Cruise sex scene and, um, uh, what's it called? Top gun? It's a very weird sex scene.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, and it's really blue in there and it's just like didn't need it, or like it's really weird and it might just be because it's tom cruise, I don't know, but, um, I love the sexy because it's shorter than I remember. It is awkward because there's a lot of gripping hands. Yes, it's like just a lot of close-ups on hands gripping because it's so good. Yeah, but it wasn't as long as I thought, which I was like, oh, thank god I thought this was a five minute sex scene, like top gun, but I guess not.
Speaker 1:it's very soft core board, um. And then I love like afterwards, when they're done, uh, she's like it's about to throw some pants at him. He's like think fast, and it's the bombs, it's the fucking pipe bombs.
Speaker 1:He's a crazy woman. Well, I don't think the bombs were in it yet. I think it was like the bag to put the bombs in. But there was like whenever she did it and he, they were in there because he got mad and started stuffing them in really angrily. Before they had sex he was stuffing the bombs and they're like yeah, I'm so mad that I said I love her, oh, and soon I'll be stuffing something else. But there is this one little thing where it's like really good acting like after she does that, and then he like puts on this most genuine smile and I was like shit, they sold me on the relationship.
Speaker 1:This is one little moment. I was like James Cameron the most basic little shit and it's just like, oh, I get it. Little shit, and it's just like, oh, I get it. It's like no wonder he was able to get Titanic right with their love stuff.
Speaker 2:I don't know, draw me like one of your friends, girl.
Speaker 1:Yeah that's what Kyle Reese should have done draw me like one of your Terminators. Yeah, so the Terminator tracks them to a hotel on a motorcycle and the two flee again in a stolen pickup truck Terminator with pipe bombs he and Sarah made. However, he is hit by gunfire and Sarah loses control of their truck, flipping over after running the Terminator off the road.
Speaker 2:Hey, maybe instead. Maybe you should put instead of making smoke bombs, you could actually make them explode and hurt people.
Speaker 1:Explode into smoke.
Speaker 2:Thing is later. They work really well.
Speaker 1:I know, and it's just like throwing pipe bombs. It's like like, ah, you kind of need to slow down, wait for the week it's a little bit closer, and then throw it. But just like throwing on the ground it's gonna fly everywhere. We play too many video games yeah, that's true, they work in video games. So, um yeah, the terminator recovers and is immediately struck by a semi-tanker truck. After the driver stops, the terminator kills him and takes control of the truck, attempting to run down Sarah.
Speaker 2:That was sweet when he gets run over and he grabs the bottom.
Speaker 1:And he kills one guy and then gets in and he tells the other get out. Then you got the rad robot face which looks really good in this scene.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah because do you remember when he wrecked off the motorcycle he just slides across the ground that? Because you remember when he wrecked off the motorcycle he just slides across the ground. Yeah, that would have been great if there would have been like a blood smear just on his face. Yeah, that'd be so good, just like grinding and blood Like sparse coming out of it.
Speaker 1:So they're near a factory. Kyle uses one of his last pipe bombs to detonate the truck tanker trailer, which explodes. Nice, james Cameron knows how to make an explosion.
Speaker 2:We all agree on that one. I really liked this explosion for one reason because whenever Reese jumps into the dumpster and then the tanker explodes and then it shoots out liquid fire, I don't think I've ever seen that in another film, where it kind of like the liquid like gets on the dumpster and then catches and starts burning more.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was burning more. Yeah, that was really cool. Yeah, it's like, damn, the guy knows how to do explosions, like that's why he's like such a good practical, that's why all his movies have such good practical effects. Cause it's like the guy just knows how to do this shit. He's better at it than anybody. He knows how to make it look cool. But yeah, and then, like you see the dumpster kind of rolling a little bit and it's just like who thinks of that, right, who thinks of the small details like that?
Speaker 1:And I think that's something that CGI has made movies lazy with that, because they're like they don't. I mean James Cameron just like is working on movies and seeing explosions. He's like, oh, I get kind of like the science behind it and maybe that's why he's able to make such good explosions. Now, like now most filmmakers are doing nothing but CGI. So it's just like I don't know the physics of this shit. I haven't actually seen a real explosion. I just see I just make them fake in a computer what is that? A building? Make it explode? Yeah, it's like James Cameron's, like I could do that in real life, by the way. So the Terminator walks out of the truck but falls to the ground burning. All his skin is melting off and it looks beautiful. And then he gets up and he's Michael Myers.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Well he's. I love how he looks with no skin. I wish he would have ripped off his skin a lot sooner.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because the Terminator emerges from the wreckage and it's like let's fucking go. He's only got pecs. Yeah, it's just robots. And I love how skinny his legs are. Skinny as little legs and it's like and he's hurt, he's got like a limp, yeah, it's great. And then, like I just love seeing like the hydraulics like in, like where his calves and like stuff is. It's just like robots, baby, they cool.
Speaker 2:I like his jittery walk. Yeah, jittery walk yeah, it looks. It looks like stop motion to me, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Maybe, yeah, there's definitely some stop motion to it. Um, and it's great. Yeah, it's very creepy. Oh it like the jankiness of it makes it good it makes it good because you could. You could justify with like he just caught on fire, yeah, and it's just like now with cgi, they just like move so like smoothly, and it'd be like jaunting down the road, like, hey guys, it's like saturday night.
Speaker 2:they just like move so like smoothly, and be like jaunting down the road, like hey guys, it's like Saturday Night Fever, just like Spider-Man.
Speaker 1:Spider-man 3-ing everybody, hey. So Reese and Sarah retreat into the factory, which is automated. Reese switches on as many of the machines as he can, making tracking more difficult for the Terminator Machine on machine crime, baby I see it, the second one that ends in a factory too.
Speaker 2:It's like a lava factory, it's like a smelting place Metal smelting.
Speaker 1:And it's just like yes, have your robot movies end in a place of robots.
Speaker 2:These are ancient robot cousins of the Terminator. Beautiful baby, it's poetry. The robots are the robots' demise, yeah.
Speaker 1:It's like damn it, these Neanderthal robots beat me. So they are finally cornered and Reese places his last bomb in the endoskeleton of the Terminator. That's fucking cool, but before he's like whacking it with a pole, it's great, but the he dented it. The Terminator explodes, scattering pieces of the cyborg. Sarah, nursing a severely injured leg, now finds Reese, but he's dead. Rip Reese, it's over, it's over now Movie end Yep. She is suddenly attacked by the top half of the Terminator's skeleton.
Speaker 2:Oh, it's so great.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Bass is crawling after him and she can't move and it's just like should I yell cinema again Because?
Speaker 2:it's cinema. She desperately how does she get through? She gets under the presser and then there's a grate, there's a gate that Terminator can't get through. Yeah, why could she get?
Speaker 1:through. I think she like closed it right, oh yeah, something like that. Finally, luring the Terminator to a giant hydraulic press which she knows about because she actually touched it earlier. She traps it there and, as it mindlessly tries to break her neck, she pushes the button activating the press. The Terminator is crushed till it's red, glowing eye fades.
Speaker 2:You're terminated fucker no notes, ladies and gentlemen, you're terminated fucker.
Speaker 1:No notes Ladies and gentlemen, you're terminated so good. So we see Sarah's taken to an ambulance and sees the paramedics but Kyle's body and put Kyle's body into a body bag. Good thing, they just had sex. Yeah, I was like thank God Got it in before he died. Yeah, hey, like thank. God Got it in before he died, hey, and he finally, at least he found love. He did In the 80s. When you found love you had to die or she had to die. It just depends which type of movie you're watching.
Speaker 2:So do you think she was dead in the future, whenever he came back? Yeah, she's dead, okay.
Speaker 1:I'm pretty sure she's dead. So later she's driving a Jeep into the desert, seemingly towards Mexico, stopping at a gas station. She's been recording herself using a cassette player. The tapes are for her son, which is great, because later in the next movie she does it a lot.
Speaker 1:One of the questions she poses is whether or not she should tell John about Reese being his father, if that will affect his decision to send the warrior back in time to meet and save Sarah. While the jeep's tank is filled, a young boy takes a picture with a Polaroid camera. It's the same picture as Reese admires in Sarah's dream of his future. She and the boy bargain over the price and she buys it.
Speaker 2:Alright, one second with this guy, this kid. I love how she's like good hustle kid, but he's like you got to give me $5 or my dad will beat me. And she's immediately like, how about $4? Yeah, so he's still going to get beat, if it's true.
Speaker 1:Well, she said it was a hustle, but if it's true, it's pretty bad. I like to think that the person pumping the gas was actually the kid's father, the grandpa, or something. And was just like after she leaves like hell, fucking, yeah, we get every white woman that comes through here with this shit. And then the boy says something in Spanish. The gas station owner tells her he said a storm's coming. Sarah sees the storm approaching and says I know Dang. And she drives off into an unknown future. Well, the mountains.
Speaker 1:Beautiful baby, I've been down that road and it's like something I love about the next one, so it's like James Cameron loves, like strong female leads right, I do too, and uh, probably because of James Cameron, this first one she's like such a damsel in distress kind of. And the second one, it's just like she's a total badass.
Speaker 2:She's fucking got like shotguns all over the place and it's like, yes, she's got a motorcycle, yeah, it's great badass. And this one she's driving a moped. So I guess they had the more badass motorcycle. She's just like you know what.
Speaker 1:I wish they started Terminator 2. It's like she's about to get on a moped. She's like, no, I'm not a kid anymore, kicks it over Like, beats up a guy and steals his motorcycle Throws a guy off his bike. It's like what's the movie Shit with Brie Larson where she's a superhero. What's the superhero? Miss Marvel, or whatever.
Speaker 2:Where it's like oh she because it's playing off Terminator.
Speaker 1:Captain Marvel yeah, it's playing off Terminator and she, like, puts a Nine Inch Nails shirt on, steals the guy's motorcycle. That's what Sarah Connor should have done, but that's Terminator. Let's hit up our categories the good, the bad, the ugly, the fine. The good we discussed about something that we like, about the movie. The bad something we didn't. The ugly something that didn't age well. The fine something that did age well.
Speaker 2:My good is 80s action, sci-fi films yeah, this is one of the better 80s action films that really kind of still holds up. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And it's just like there's so much cheesiness to it and there's so much like low budget feel to it. It's not that bad, but it's like not that cheesy. It's just because it's like they filmed it on set. They filmed it in the streets.
Speaker 2:It's great, it feels real, until they like say something stupid and cheesy and then it's just like like it's still still kind of why I like it there is one scene where I think that I don't know if they're paid extras or just people on the street, because he looks at the camera and then he like sucks in his breath, like yeah, oh shit.
Speaker 1:James Cameron's going to beat me up because I looked at the camera. Yeah, I love that 80s action. Anything else you got for the good?
Speaker 2:I really like the Terminator robot with no skin. I thought it was the most bad. I mean, just this movie, this is so good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, robot with no skin. I thought it was the. Yes, I mean just, maybe this is so good. Yeah, it's just like it's something so terrifying about it, right? Yeah, it's like they're really like we're. We all have the fear now that, like, as more ai is getting and you see all these like janky ass robots, these like companies are trying to make that are just like when the one making the pizza yeah and then you got one. That's just like trying to get up, but someone keeps kicking it down and it's just like stop.
Speaker 2:This is how it starts. You know, they learn. They're like they learn things.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're going to learn that. Robot's like fuck humans, dude. Once I figure out my body, I'm going to kill them all. It's like, oh, it's like, oh, it's like you know like where this is going though. Yeah, I like it. But yeah, love, just just love 80s versions of the future.
Speaker 2:It's great yeah, we're so close to that future yeah.
Speaker 1:Two years and for the bad I put. The things that are bad are kind of what I love. Like some of the cheesy dialogue, the plot decisions are like the animatronic. Yeah, yeah, cheesy dialogue, uh, the plot decisions are like the animatronic, the yeah, like yeah, the Arnold face, it's like I get that. It's like looks bad, especially for now. Like you know, we could probably do that with, uh, animatronics a lot better, but there's something about it that just makes me nostalgic right, yeah, well, I think for these type of movies for me, the bad part about the Arnold face is there.
Speaker 2:They tried to put them all in the same scene Like no one was going to notice.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they kept switching back between them. It's like I wonder like if, while like filming it, like what they're seeing like looks pretty decent, and then when they get back and they have to look at the dailies, they're like Because their TV was like 13 inches by nine or something. And like James Cameron's, like shit. It's all we got, man. We ain't got the budget for the rest. But I don't know, hey for an 80s movie, yeah it was still cool.
Speaker 2:Pretty good.
Speaker 1:I mean, maybe if they put the line maybe if they're like and also if we shoot him he'll become waxy, but then that one just sucked Shut up, nerd, yeah. But then that just sucked shut up, nerd, yeah. Um, so uh, for the ugly, uh, I guess in the 80s, like sad boys just were getting laid just by telling them girls how sad they are.
Speaker 1:Girl the the bar for men was set very low you know what this reminds me of is this like you know, just like going on Facebook and like seeing a girl that you think is like cute and just being like hey.
Speaker 2:Facebook and like seeing a girl that you think is a cute and it's being like hey, what's up?
Speaker 1:Hey, do you know me? And then this is like it's like how long have you been looking at my pictures on Facebook? It's like this is what Kyle Reese did, except he was in the future and he got sent back to the past. So it's like I don't know. I guess that one's better than this Facebook.
Speaker 2:that he found a phone book and wasn't like immediately, like what the hell is this? Yeah, Right. This is a murder book with everyone's address. That's true.
Speaker 1:Like because, yeah, I guess, and I guess people thought in the future there's no way we'd have cell phones, no, you just have Terminators. Like like oh, I got to call my buddy T-800.
Speaker 2:Pulls out the huge cell phone with the giant antenna.
Speaker 1:T-810. And it's just like flipping through the phone book like dang it keep ripping the pages. My other ugly is the Terminator series in general. Yeah, there's two great ones, they're two almost masterpieces.
Speaker 2:The second one is a masterpiece. The rest of them.
Speaker 1:They're just like damn, he really ended the series on two. Yeah, garbage the rest of them. They're just like it's like he damn, he really ended the series on two. Yeah, we really have nothing else to do. You didn't have to go any further and they just keep trying and trying and trying to the point where I just quit watching them. I'm done just like.
Speaker 2:If james cameron's not coming back, I don't want to watch it yeah, that is true, I never really thought about that, watching him growing up like, yeah, once the third one, I saw the third one, even though hot terminator is great, yeah, um, like sexy terminator, but yeah, it's just like did you guys not watch the other two movies? These are the wrong vibes. This is an abomination.
Speaker 2:This isn't right it's weird, it's like I don't know, it's weird, but I guess what I meant to say was I didn didn't recognize that James Cameron wasn't the director. Yeah, because we're so young, because I didn't really thought about that, yeah.
Speaker 1:I didn't know it either. I just assumed like, oh, they all do the same movie right Same movie same director it has to be and it's like no and it's bad. Then what's the one with Christian Bale? That's where he had his like out on set. That kind of came out on YouTube. No, was that Retaliation, retribution? I don't know, I saw it once and I was like no don't like it.
Speaker 1:McG don't make movies, All right. So the fine, something that aged well. The Final Fight with the Robot? Obviously James Cameron, obviously Linda Hamilton. Yes, Great action star.
Speaker 2:I don't think I've seen her in anything recently. Is she still acting?
Speaker 1:Yeah, she was in like the last Terminator movie, black, something I forgot what it's called, okay, but yeah, she has pretty lips. It's all great. What age will Her pretty lips?
Speaker 2:That's what Jason says luscious lips, her hair, man that hair.
Speaker 1:Put that on Jesus Christ put that on the cover of the Terminator. She has pretty lips. I love seeing like hey toot smile with those pretty lips.
Speaker 2:Okay, god she's when she's driving away on her moped and she's not wearing a helmet. I was like, oh no, but she's got all that hair, so she'll probably be okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh, great 80s hair. Come on, fucking goes. All right, that's that category. Now we're going to cut to our second category, double feature. It's where we recommend a movie to go alongside this movie. I'm going to actually say the movie that popped up, saying I should watch right after this. I probably already recommended it once, but, man, this goes great with this movie Robocop, robocop. It's the same fucking shit, man it's great.
Speaker 2:Mine was similar.
Speaker 1:It's a dread yes, like which one? Like the newest one or the old one? Either one, I guess. Yeah, the old one that's sylvester stallone. Uh, yeah, yeah, and it's got also a robot fight scene and it's great. I love that that movie. As a kid I better. I bet I'd hate it now. Yeah, probably. When did that?
Speaker 2:come out. It has some cool ideas in it, like there's this thing where, if you get in a car accident, the car will just fill up with like foam. So, you don't move and get hurt. Oh, it's so good.
Speaker 1:Oh, rob Schneider's in that, yeah, max von Sado, hell yeah. Oh man, just looking at like the cover for Judge the old Judge Dredd so fucking sick baby and his costume, oh so good, it's so hard. And the thing is, I mean like it's very much like 90s idea of what future stuff would look like.
Speaker 2:And then you look at the other Dredd one and it's just kind of like darker and less contrasting I think in the 80s and 90s their idea of the future was always just hey, put a bunch of trash everywhere.
Speaker 1:Yeah exactly 80s and 90s are like hey, everything's a little bit more colorful as well, but also trash and weird fast food. Yeah, like demolition man, where Taco Bell took over everything. Alright, that's our discussion on Terminator. I hope you enjoyed it. It was very fun to talk about, very fun to watch, and if you're just listening to this and not re-watching it, go back and re-watch it, baby. Do your homework, watch things. That fucking rule and stop watching things now. Just kidding, go see Sinners. It's amazing, can't wait. But we're going to discuss a little movie called Oceans and Living next. Hell, yeah, because I love Steven Soderbergh, baby, and I love all the actors in it. It's so good. I love heist movies. Let's effing go. So, yeah, join us next week for that. Hey, do you want to leave? Well?
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