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Say Anything
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Hello and welcome to the we Recommend podcast, a movie podcast, where every week, we recommend a movie for you to watch and then come back here and listen to us discuss. I'm Jesse. I'm Jason.
Speaker 2:Nobody thinks it'll work, do they? No you just.
Speaker 1:Hold on, I'll just do my part. No, you just described every great success story, because this week, we recommend Say Anything yeah, anyone ever gives me a pin, I'm stabbing them with it. Yeah, not really. If someone gave me a pin, I'd just be like I can't believe they gave me a fucking pin. If it's a good pin, though, and then on me a pen.
Speaker 2:I'd just be like I can't believe they gave me a fucking pen.
Speaker 1:But then I would be like If it's a good pen though, and then, like on the drive home, I'd be like I'm going to buy a diary, I'm going to write my feelings down Some really nice paper, I'm going to write a letter and not send it to her. I'm going to learn calligraphy. So Say Anything bud, what'd you think? Yeah, this is my first time watching it. Oh, really, I thought you've seen it before.
Speaker 2:No, oh, snap did not. Uh, it was pretty good. Do you think it was cute and fun it was? It's very dramatic. It was a little.
Speaker 1:It wasn't like that dramatic, though I don't know the part where you just see like the dad in the bathtub or see, I've been there, man, I was like shit dude.
Speaker 2:There's times when I get home from work when I was in the army Sometimes I just go straight to the tub turn on the cold water In your pink bathroom, just like holding yourself like, oh God. Yes, and shaking and rocking a little bit.
Speaker 1:Well, that makes me sad. I think this might be probably my like second favorite romantic comedy. It's pretty good, yeah, even though I don't even know. It doesn't even feel like too much like a romantic comedy to me, as much of a just like a point in time, I don't know Like a coming of age, yeah.
Speaker 2:For both of them Really.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because it's like I feel like when people think of this movie, they think of it as like oh, this is John Cusack's movie, this is Lloyd's movie, and I feel like it starts off as that and then they're like but you know, like all the interesting stuff has kind of happened to this, diana girl, you know? Yeah, I think it's more about surprising. What do you think about that? Like the whole irs thing, I feel like, just reading online, people are usually, it seems, like like what the hell is this plot?
Speaker 2:old people are so easy to steal from? Yeah, have you seen the, the documentary about the guy who was um burning the bodies and like they were doing everything the wrong way, but they were burnings. What do you call it Incinerating or yeah incinerating. They're incinerating the bodies, for you know, and then they're supposed to be giving out the people's ashes.
Speaker 1:I have heard of this. Yes.
Speaker 2:We watched it the other night and it was. It was like man, it's.
Speaker 1:It's a really good documentary, yeah, but they're just, they're just scooping a little bit of all these ashes that are mixed together, yeah, and like it turns out, and is this also like the same place that, like they just had, like their entire place was just filled with like dead bodies and stuff as well, because they weren't getting rid of them or something.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, they were running out of room. Yeah, because they couldn't burn them fast when people walked in.
Speaker 1:They're like oh my god, yeah, I do remember we're here. Yeah, I guess for you to take.
Speaker 2:But I mean it has nothing to do with the movie. Yeah, just to say that it's so easy this. They're so vulnerable, yeah, and we should protect them we should protect them.
Speaker 1:But it's just like I mean mean from his perspective, and I do. I am curious. There is like I wonder if I thought you watched this like when you were younger or something, because I was going to ask, like how does this make? How did you feel about this movie as like a young adult? And then, like now, how does this movie make you feel as like a father?
Speaker 2:Well, I guess I can think back to what I would have thought and would have had some really bad ideas about relationships. Yeah, probably would have been on the side of all his goons, the 7-eleven.
Speaker 1:I don't think I've ever been on those sites like in my entire life. I was like these guys are douches.
Speaker 2:They were super douches, but um, so why is there a kid here? I think all high school boys are, though mostly for the for the most part.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for the most part, I think so.
Speaker 2:But now it's it's. It was really interesting to see the relationship between her and her dad. Yeah, I would love to have that kind of relationship with my kids.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's weird because first time I watched I was like man, the father's kind of a dick, like he's kind of a creepy ass dude and I was like, oh no, like he, like he's just the only thing like the daughter has is him, because you know the divorce. And it's like this big thing that she picked him over the mother because it's like, oh, you feel safe with me so and that his mind he's like I have to make sure she's safe the rest of her life. It's like I'm taking care of all these older people and they love being at my retirement home and the family doesn't care, so I should get the money, I'm the one doing everything because it's not like I mean, I guess it fucking sucks that he's doing it, but it's like it could have been worse.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's not the worst thing to do. And it's like he doesn't even hate Lloyd, he just hates the fact that there might be a distraction for his daughter. He just wants her to succeed so much. But it is a little creepy.
Speaker 2:I brought a thousand people for my daughter. You hear that, madeline, yeah.
Speaker 1:Don't you worry, your dad will go to jail for nine months and have to pay $125,000 back A little prison, baby, just for you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but what I like, and also when people kind of are talking about the movie, they're just like, oh, we probably could get rid of the IRS thing. But I think, like Cameron Crowe's in his head, is like this is what happens in people's lives. Things just shitty, things just kind of happen, and it's all about like having the other people in your lives, which is kind of feel like. A lot of the point of the movie is like she has nobody except her dad and then all of a sudden lloyd opens up her life and it's like hey, I didn't know there was people at this school, it's not just my father, I don't know it's just he seems like overbearing in some ways, uh, as in like trying to make her the most successful person ever, yeah, but at the same time he's very open and like understanding.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And it was like yeah, just say anything to me, which I think is like whenever. I was like oh wait the only time say anything is mentioned is whenever it's like with her and her father, and I was like is this movie about?
Speaker 2:her. Yeah, I couldn't say shit to my parents, so it was very, it was kind of nice to see someone else.
Speaker 1:Yeah, talking to their parents, I mean I probably could say just about anything, but I just like wouldn't. Yeah, but I'm also like a closed off guy. Yeah, I've gotten better, but used to I never said anything about myself, right? No, no, I never.
Speaker 2:I was like no one wants to hear anything. I got going on. Yeah, my parents thought I was homosexual for the longest time because I would never talk about my relationships with anybody Bro?
Speaker 1:most of my life everybody thought I was homosexual, which you know. Whatever I feel like, I have like feminine aspects of me, and on the podcast now, all I talk about is how hot dudes are.
Speaker 2:The one time I mentioned it I was like, hey, I'm going on a date and my mom was so excited that she gave me some money. She's like, oh good, I thought you were gay.
Speaker 1:I love that idea. Like you tell her, it's like, oh, I'm going on a date with a girl and it's like, it's like calls for the father, like all of a sudden, a banner like pops out and there's like balloons, it's like he's straight they're like well, that's a really harsh way to put it, but thanks yeah. I like to think that my parents would have been like hey, that's okay, jesse, who cares? But I don't know. You never know no.
Speaker 1:I definitely wouldn't have. So I want to know um something. One of the best parts of the movie is the party scene. It's so fun and it's so fun and it's like lloyd and um, this is from responsible they're like so cute that he like keeps checking up on her and it's like so adorable.
Speaker 1:But I kind of love the group, the cast of characters with them, like they're all kind of fun friends and just like partying. I was wondering, I was trying to think, is like is there a movie that captures like my friend, like group? When I was growing up I was kind of a nerd, so like I didn't really have that many friends. But is there like a movie that captures your friend group Goonies?
Speaker 2:No, they were goons. But no, I don't think I have that either, because my friends were super dorks, I'd like to think that like like mine would be like super bad. But like G version. Yeah, not as ballsy, except we didn't like go to any parties.
Speaker 1:It's just me and my friend hanging out playing video games all the time. So I was. I don't know which version that would be.
Speaker 2:There's a reason they don't make movies about people who do those things, so like movies about people who do those things.
Speaker 1:So I love the two leads, obviously John Cusack and Ione Sky. Again, I think I've said this in a billion different movies. But God, they're just average-looking people, right? I feel like they're just like. I mean they're hot, but at the same time it's obtainable hot.
Speaker 2:I feel like.
Speaker 1:I could have been John Cusack.
Speaker 2:Have you ever heard the term office hot? Yeah, that's what I had just learned the other day from an accountant yeah, from our accountant friend, and she's like Jason, you're office hot. I'm like, oh thanks.
Speaker 1:Thanks.
Speaker 2:It's like oh man, you walk into an office with tight trousers and a button up. Well, it just means any like just the smallest bit of attractive qualities. Yeah, just because most people you work with are trolls, I guess.
Speaker 1:I mean it's kind of like season one and two, like Jim and Pam, right, like they're not like overly gorgeous, which is something that ends up happening in like season four and five of the Office, where it's like all of a sudden it's like how did y'all, right, like they're not like overly gorgeous, which is something that ends up happening in like season four and five of the office, where it's like all of a sudden it's like how did y'all become so?
Speaker 1:It's like did y'all? They change your makeup, like your hair, especially with jim, because you know he's got terrible hair for like the first three seasons and all of a sudden he like starts kind of slicking it back and I'm like wait, he got hot all of a sudden and obviously like started working out. But I feel like the same goes kind of with like Pam. It's like you know she's very like I'm an everyday girl and then all of a sudden it's just like what everybody got attractive all of a sudden after like three seasons, like the entire, even like Michael Scott got more attractive how far into the season did they get together, jim and Pam?
Speaker 1:uh into season three.
Speaker 1:He like bursts into the office and is like hey she's like doing her confessional and then it's like, hey, you wanna go to dinner? And then she looks at the camera and is like what were we talking about? And it's like, by the way, I love the Office, you know just, I've watched it. We went through the seasons and I was like, well, it got to the bad last season. That's bad, so I'm just gonna restart it. Oh yeah, um, but yeah, I just love. Like I was just thinking what's that movie? Um, it has like Glenn Powell and Sidney Sweeney and it's just like why are they shredded as shit people in this romantic comedy? Let's make romantic comedies about Normal people again. Come on, not everybody has to be a model. Yeah, drives me nuts.
Speaker 2:I think it feels better when they're not supermodels. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1:So do you know anything about Cameron Crowe? No, so he did the movie. Well, he did a lot of movies, I mean, so we'll start. This is his first movie like that he directed. He also he wrote Fast Times at Ridgemont high, which is a book that he wrote, and then they turned it into a movie. Um, you never saw that one. Oh, it's amazing. Uh, some fun facts about fast times at Ridgemont high. He was like 20, 21 and he goes back to school. He enrolls in, like this Hollywood high school nightmare Um, just to kind of see how the kids are now wrote the book and then they made it into a movie.
Speaker 2:So it's like, so he was allowed to do this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I guess, like he got permission, it's kind of weird who the fuck is in charge of this I know right well, it's in LA, you know. They're like oh, is this gonna be a book or a movie? It's like you gotta do it now. Oh god, then he does singles, which is say anything but grunge, um it's. It's like oh, these, it's essentially a sequel, to say anything. Almost it takes place in the 90s, it's in seattle, except people are like outside of college now say some shit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like say some shit oh it's great, though it's got some great lines, it's not as good as Say Anything probably. But I don't know, man. I kind of really love singles. It might just be right up there with it, and then he did. I don't know Jerry Maguire Ever heard of it? Show Me the Money. Almost Famous One of the best movies ever made. Have you ever seen Almost Famous?
Speaker 2:The groupies? Right, the groupies. Yeah, or he's the reporter and it's like I am a golden god. Yeah, that was pretty good.
Speaker 1:That movie is based on his life, so the kid in it, like he did that, like he wrote to like Rolling Stones magazine and stuff like that. So like the foundation of that movie is about Cameron Crowe as a kid hanging out with these bands, I guess.
Speaker 2:Or just writing about these bands.
Speaker 1:The best way to lose your virginity too. That was awesome also. Um, find those women, they deserve to be locked up.
Speaker 2:Um, and then yes, but they were probably only 15, it's like 70s, right, I mean errol smith made 500 songs about it.
Speaker 1:And then kings leon decided hey, what if every song was about a 17 year old girl? Because you know it's like she was 17? It was like half of kings of leon's first three albums were about that. Yeah, that's not cool. Um, and then he made vanilla sky with tom cruise. Oh, wow, um, fun movie, weird movie, the camera. Um, super cameron diaz says the line I'll let you come in my mouth. That means means something Wild. Then he does Elizabethtown, the movie with Kristen Dunst and Orlando.
Speaker 2:Bloom no.
Speaker 1:Legolas. What's his name? Fuck, what's his name? Yeah, orlando Bloom. And that movie starts off ridiculous because Orlando Bloom wants to kill himself and he makes a contraption where he's on an exercise bike and he's pedaling and his knife's gonna like stab him. That's hilarious, it's ridiculous. So he's at it like a down point in his career and then he does we bought a zoo. You want to know what? My review of we bought a zoo is what? They bought a zoo. And then I cried at the end. So the movie is like a mediocre, like feel good family movie. And then the fucking ending, jason, the ending to we Bought a Zoo. I cried five straight minutes. It's like this whole part. It's all about like, oh, you know Matt Damon's character, you know his wife, the wife died. He's got all these kids. They buy a zoo. He meets Scarlett Johansson. You know everybody's life, right. But then there's this like part at the end and it involves like the dead mother and it's just like what the hell?
Speaker 1:That came out of nowhere. I was just like, oh, five star movie, great Love it, and it's best. And then he did Aloha, and that's a terrible movie.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then he hasn't done anything since. But man, like he just went off with like Fast Times, Ridge and Mon High, Say Anything Singles, Jerry Maguire, Almost Famous Like God dang, and then you know he just kind of lost it. But what I love about him is this I don't know, he just like makes movies about moments in people's lives.
Speaker 1:And it's just fantastic, yeah, and it's great, I love it. So, yeah, I think that's about all that I had in questions and I'm going to just say movie things at your face, yay. But then there's a few other things. So Cameron Crowe credits the enthusiastic review by Roger Ebert and Gene Siskel as at least partially saving the movie at the box office. Ebert later put the movie in his greatest movies book. I should probably get that. The dojo the box office. Ebert later put the movie in his greatest movies book. Wow, I should probably get that. The dojo featured in the movie was also used in the Karate Kid.
Speaker 2:So if you recognize it, the show or the movie, the movie.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay. And on April 30th 2019, this film had a 30th anniversary screening at the Tribeca Film Festival with Cameron Crowe, james L Brook. He did, james L Brook, he did like Broadcasting News Terms and Endearment and I don't know a little show called the Simpsons, nice yeah, which James L Brooks really helped Cameron Crowe like make this movie. So it's great, that's cool, and Ione Skye in attendance. When the film ended.
Speaker 1:They were joined on a discussion panel by John Cusack via Skype. He was originally going to be at the screening in person but could not make it due to work on the first season of Utopia, whatever that is. During the panel, mr Crow revealed that before casting John Mahoney as James Court, dick Van Dyke expressed interest in the role, to the point where he met with Mr Crow and Mr Brooks to discuss the screenplay. Mr Crow also stated that early on in the casting process for the part, the production sent the screenplay to Richard Dreyfuss from Jaws, who, after reading it, sent back a note to Mr Crow that reads as follows great script want to play Lloyd, nice, you know this old man, I want to be, the 19-year-old, he brings all of his 40s like yes.
Speaker 1:We're going to need a bigger boat. Do you know who John Mahoney is? You know the dad. He's in Frasier. Yeah, he's awesome, kind of like dad. He's in Frasier, yeah, he's awesome.
Speaker 2:He's kind of like what he's mainly known.
Speaker 1:He's, and he's in Moonstruck. I was gonna say we're gonna do that next, but it's not on anything. Yeah, um, but John Mahoney, he's so good in this movie. Yeah, I was like shit. I wish he was my dad. At the same time I don't wish he was my dad. And the last one, director Cameron Crowell couldn't find the love song he wanted until he heard Peter Gabriel's In your Eyes. Gabriel asked to see part of the movie and Crowe had the production company send him an unfinished cut. Gabriel gave permission to use the song, saying he liked the film but not the lead character overdosing at the end.
Speaker 1:Crowe realized that Gabriel had actually been sent a copy of a movie called Wire when he kind of overdoses at the end it worked. I guess that's hilarious. He was able to get the movie.
Speaker 2:The song in the movie oh shit, so in your eyes so is that song in that movie?
Speaker 1:Oh, I don't know. I've never seen Wire, that'd be wild. Just thought it was funny, wasn't a lot of facts. But that was one of the interesting ones In your Eyes, kind of a great, perfect love song.
Speaker 2:It's so catchy, it's so weird to me. When he starts, I see a thousand churches like what? Yeah the fuck are you talking about, Peter? What is?
Speaker 1:any love song talking about it's the light, it's the heat. Bro, I am complete. I see the doorway to the thousand churches yeah, what the fuck. Does that mean heaven, I guess, I don't know.
Speaker 2:It's in your it's in her eyes, is that a vagina?
Speaker 1:I guess she's just like so perfect and innocent.
Speaker 2:I see a thousand churches in your eyes when you're open now let's have sex in a car don't close your mouth.
Speaker 1:I was actually thinking I love your teeth. Walking here, I was like you know, this is kind of a high school like teenage thing to do. It's like we really just never. That's why parents were always telling kids to close their mouth, you know, because it's like when you're young you're just like, always like.
Speaker 2:You know it was so when I'm off in basic training, right when you first get to your, your training unit and you start running together, everyone wants to breathe with their mouth open. Yeah, and it smells bad because they're all together doing it. And so all the drill sergeants are like close your fucking mouth, your mouth breathing it's like hey drill sergeant, how about we're running to? Death over here. Okay, it's like breathe through your fucking nose you asshole.
Speaker 1:It's hard to breathe through my nose when I'm yelling all the time, so I guess I want to know what you think of John Cusack.
Speaker 2:He's fine. I kind of love the man, yeah. I mean I think he's pretty good.
Speaker 1:He's not like he's kind of weird, he is a little weird A little bit, and that's kind of what I like about him. That's very endearing about him.
Speaker 2:I don't think he's like the best actor, but I always like his stuff.
Speaker 1:It's like I'm never upset when I see him. I'm like, fuck yeah, john Cusack's here.
Speaker 2:He seems really laid back in all of his stuff, like, oh man, that might be the movie. I suggest to watch, the double feature, the uh one, where they're trying to turn the uh the jury when he's on the jury of a murder and he and he's trying to he's like working with someone outside to like try to get change over all the jury's minds. Yeah, I can't remember.
Speaker 1:I don't think I've ever seen that he's also in Con Air. Put the buddy down. The movie's so good. Have you ever seen being John Malkovich? Yes, I didn't know he was in that one. He's like the lead.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, that's right, he's the guy with the puppets.
Speaker 1:Shit. Should we do that next instead?
Speaker 2:Oh, we'll talk about it at the end. That was such a sexy puppet scene.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's why Spike Jonze, who did like her, cool, yeah, there's something just endearing, but something off. Also about John Cusack, and I think that's why he's kind of perfect in this movie. Yeah, Because he's like, well, he's kind of cute, because he's like, well, he's kind of cute, but he's also weird, nervous. I'm like I feel like that was me. I like to think that was me in high school. You know all right, so we're coming to the point of the podcast where we discuss the plot, and what we want you to think while going through the plot is what the fuck the point of the movie is. Um, it could. Is it just entertainment or is there an actual meaning behind it? Um, I think there's a meaning behind it, just like most movies. Three, an actual meaning behind it. I think there's a meaning behind it, just like most movies. Three-three nose woman. Yeah, it's all about manners or shit, I don't know. Well, anyways, say Anything. 1989, directed by Cameron Crowe. Let's go. So it's graduation, graduation, it's graduation day.
Speaker 1:So, it's graduation day, 1988's graduation day 1988, for a seattle high school, lloyd dobler, great name, tells his, his girlfriends, cory and dc, that he is going to ask out class valley, victoria and diane court. They tell him he is crazy because she's a brain trapped in the body of a game show host. And he is not. Um, they're like you're gonna going to get hurt and it's like I want to get hurt. Yeah, hurt me, molly.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:They also talk. He's like, yeah, I want to go on a second date with her. And they're like you never went on a first date.
Speaker 2:It's like no, I sat with her at the mall, yeah, hell yeah, that's a date.
Speaker 1:It's like, it's just like, you know, high schoolers, their brains don't function right? No, they don't. So it's just like kind of this like perfect thing, like weird thing, like a guy would be like yeah, we sat together, we're like practically.
Speaker 2:We're practically in love. We're engaged.
Speaker 1:I already married her, Something I do like about this movie. It's one of the few like romantic comedies where the guy's not like just beating the girl down till she goes out with him.
Speaker 2:It's kind of nice right.
Speaker 1:It's like I mean he's trying, but he's not like overly trying to the point where it's like, wow, I wish movies didn't teach guys to be like this. He's very normal.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's just like a nervous guy.
Speaker 1:He's like how many times can I ask the girl out before? It's like weird right.
Speaker 2:Zero times, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So, as Diane is getting driven to graduation by her father, she's practicing her speech. Her father, James, is extremely supportive, telling her that it is funny. Like her speech is funny and everyone is bound to love it.
Speaker 2:She does a joke.
Speaker 1:It's like I saw the future Go back. He's like funny joke I've ever heard. Does not work for the place.
Speaker 2:They kind of all land. You know, yeah, right.
Speaker 1:So at graduation, Diane's speech is a bit of a bomb. Nobody laughs, and the only people in the audience who appears to be interested in it are Lloyd and Diane's father.
Speaker 2:He's the only one laughing. Yeah, it's like ha, ha ha. He's like looking around like oh, I guess everybody's chuckling inside. That's my daughter, the good lady.
Speaker 1:Trust me I'm a little weird, but we got a good relationship. Everybody shut up.
Speaker 2:My daughter's doing a speech.
Speaker 1:So in the speech she talks about how she is fearful of the future.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was funny how she kind of panics when no one laughs.
Speaker 1:She kind of goes off book, but it's like a very you know, like real, and I don't know I don't know any of you. It's something like movies are always like everybody's scared after graduation and most of it, like after my graduation, I went and tried to parkour, so Hell yeah, I jumped off a building, grabbed a tree and landed and kind of hurt my leg a little bit.
Speaker 2:Oh ouch, that was great. We all do crazy shit when we're nervous.
Speaker 1:Oh wait, no that was actually before my graduation. Yeah, I wasn't really scared of graduation. I was like, oh, thank God, right, yeah, that's true, but I love that she goes off book and she's like all right, none of my, you know what? I'm just going to be honest. She'll say anything, as long as it's truth. I wonder what the movie is. Also, we see Joe at the very beginning of the graduation. He's singing here's the.
Speaker 2:Thing.
Speaker 1:What. We weren't allowed to do anything. We weren't even allowed to mess with our gowns too much at our graduation. They're like if any of you guys make a fucking peep, you're out of this graduation. And it's like why couldn't we do something like this?
Speaker 2:you like, have a rap battle they're all well.
Speaker 1:It's like you know, at our graduation they're like this is such a memorable moment, you want this to be like a nice, enjoyable occasion it's like you know what all I remember is people in the audience yelling that they couldn't hear the person telling the speech?
Speaker 1:And we're just like shut up. If we can't fucking throw beach balls around like y'all should, the audience shouldn't be doing anything. This is like dude, it's our night, let us do whatever we want. If people want to like have fun, I feel like we should have fun, right? Oh, I'm so glad I'm not in high school anymore. I hated that place. That's a horrible place, alright, so, anyways, Lloyd keeps telling his friends how much he loves Diane's eyes. She's like she's really got great eyes, isn't she? And this after the graduation. He's like alright, I want to get a picture with her. So I'm going to go.
Speaker 2:That was funny.
Speaker 1:And then, like we see, diane, she's getting a car for her dad. She like, points at the car and then Lloyda turns around and gets a picture with her.
Speaker 1:It was so funny when I went to Motlow I got a girlfriend while I was at Motlow and she started hanging out with me and like our friends and stuff. And my friend Richard had a cousin named Zach and it was at a Tullahoma graduation and his mom took a picture of Zach cousin named Zach and it was at a Tullahoma graduation and her, his mom, took a picture of Zach and behind him was my girlfriend at the time and I was like what the heck? Just like walking by or looking for somebody. I was like what a freaking coincidence man.
Speaker 1:Like who would have ever thought that? But anyways, he just did this thing. Yeah, what was this like? Cause he was just like that and you just see her in the background like looking for someone.
Speaker 2:It's great.
Speaker 1:Maybe she was in love with him so later that day we meet lloyd's sister and nephew. Nephew's super cute.
Speaker 2:Lloyd's great with it um I love how his sister's like don't be her friend, don't be his friend, be his uncle yeah, when has an uncle been anything other than just a jackass.
Speaker 1:You goof around with the point of an uncle is to be like oh, it's a cool uncle, hey uncle. You're supposed to punch each other. That's like. Mostly what I did with my uncles was wrestle. My uncle opened up and kissed my wife at our wedding. It was really awful. Yeah, your uncle should have acted like a friend actually.
Speaker 2:Yeah, awful, yeah, your uncle should have acted like a friend actually.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what I agree. Yeah, I was a little too old for all that nonsense. But, um, uh, the sister is, uh, john cusack's actual sister john cusack, oh nice. Yeah, that's why they look exactly alike. Um, but we see she's kind of a curmudgeon and gets mad at him because she's been divorced and she's a single mom. Um, he's like you used to be fun. She's like I did used to be fun, didn't?
Speaker 1:I yeah it happens when you grow up. It's like but that's kind of like what it's showing, what kind of what the movie's about. It's like, man, sometimes things just don't work out and shitty things happen to people, but you'll find love around it, especially when you're like a kid, because all these crazy things kind of happen around you and it's like but hey, but hey, you like this girl, right, this girl likes you. So it's like, hey, maybe just forget everything, go out, go listen to Peter Gabriel in a car and shake after having sex. So we see Diane getting a ring from her father that was once her mother's. So he says Diane feels bad that she never got to know anybody at school. She's like no, I just looked out and I didn't know anybody. It's like, yeah, well, stop being a nerd and going out, you know.
Speaker 1:Nerd Jeez. So Lloyd gets the courage to call Diane, but her father answers and he leaves a message for her. He's great at acting nervous in the bathroom, Like I remember.
Speaker 2:Just, you know, like calling a girl, like in high school, and just walking around in circles in my bedroom did you ever have one of those phones that could like you that had the long you could just carry it around the house like they do, because ours were always kind of like stuck in place in the cord for the hand. Yeah, it was art.
Speaker 1:Well, we had one like that, but, um, that was like when I was really young. By the time I was calling people, we had a, had a cordless thing. You know, oh, shit, fancy. Well, you know 2000s I mean by then everybody was having cordless. So shortly afterwards, diane's father gets a phone call explaining that Diane has won a fellowship that will allow her to go to university in England. She will therefore be leaving in 16 weeks. Apparently, this fellowship is only given to one student in America, so this is a huge honor for her. And, like, her immediate reaction is like oh, I got to get on a plane. It's like shit, because he's like stand up straight, this is a great thing. She immediately sinks all the way down to the floor and, like her father's, like you're going to be so great, the entire world's going to love you. You're going to be so great, the entire world's going to love you, You're going to be loved on two different continents.
Speaker 1:It's like he's kind of a really good dad.
Speaker 2:but also it's like chill out dad, like I'm getting nervous here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know Great scene. It's just like, yeah, it's a lot of pressure on a kid, sure, and she hadn't even had like a true love yet. Oh well, yeah. So diane calls back lloyd and he invites her to a graduation party and, much to his surprise, she agrees, even though it it is unclear if she even remembers who he is yeah, I love how her dad takes messages for her. Yeah my parents never did this shit, I know hey somebody called for you.
Speaker 1:I don't know who it was and I love that, like because uh, lloyd's like she's really great, isn't she? And he's like, yeah, she really is great, isn't she? And he's like, yeah, she really is great.
Speaker 1:And I feel like he immediately is like I don't know, I kind of like this guy actually, and like when he calls, she's like I'm busy this day and then this day and then this day. It's like so, so you're more mentally busy. But then, like she eventually says yes because he made her laugh. And then after the phone call, she is shown looking into her yearbook expressing surprise. When she sees lloyd's picture, he's like, oh, that's who he is. He weirdly sat at sat with me at the moment. So lloyd picks her up for the party wearing a khaki trench coat. Yeah, what the hell, man, it's the 80s, it's normal, it's like the end of 80s. Well, he's a weird guy.
Speaker 1:His whole life is kickboxing this is far long before columbine yeah, and you know, it's just like when I look back at what I wore, I was like god, I had terrible style yeah I didn't buy my own clothes, so you know, the style is what it was. I had a bad haircut and bad style. Yeah, everything was bad.
Speaker 2:Man, maybe I don't like this movie it's maybe high school to cover up my body.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, we weren't allowed to wear trench coats, you know? Yeah, it all got ruined All the reason. So we see her. She's wearing a white skirt and matching blazer, with a purple flower in her hair. Lloyd meets Diane's father and he is very gentlemanly and polite, comforting, nervous speech. He immediately comes in. All right, sir, I just want you to know. It's like I'm going to do everything right. I promise I'll be back in six to seven hours and it's like how long is this?
Speaker 2:party. Hell yeah, he's partying until the sun comes up. He'll be back at 3 am, fuck yeah.
Speaker 1:It's like what a cool dad. That's the thing about the father four in the morning.
Speaker 2:She's also kind of she's got to be an adult by now, right 18 at least 17 or 18 graduating one of them?
Speaker 1:yeah, um, so upon arrival at the party.
Speaker 2:Hell yeah, party time people are, and then he gets the worst job. Yeah, I know the key master like what is this? You go to your friend's party and he's like you can't drink. I'm glad you're here, but no alcohol for you.
Speaker 1:You gotta be responsible yeah, it's like well he gets to drink after the party. Yeah, like 3 am when he gets to drive home yeah, right before he drives home yeah, hey, I mean maybe this is why, like, the whole town is kind of cool about it, because you know, at the graduation joe's like we gotta have like three kegs after at a graduation party after this, and all the parents, parents are like Is Lloyd going?
Speaker 2:Oh, you're good, you're good yeah.
Speaker 1:But yeah. So people are intrigued by the fact that Lloyd has shown up with Diane Court. It appears as if this is the first time that Diane has ever socialized with anyone and it is, and they seem pleased that she showed up. It seems that, while her classmates admire her, very few know her at any level at all. Lloyd is given the task of key master, which means he has to spend the entire party holding a bag of keys Just rummaging through people's cars. Well, he has to like go and it's like everybody's. It's cool that everybody's like yeah, here's my keys, man, it's Were people responsible in 1989 in Seattle.
Speaker 1:I don't really think so, but maybe I like to think it's just because it's Seattle, Everybody's like we're cool in Seattle.
Speaker 2:We're cool. Seattle's a cool place.
Speaker 1:It's like we're all good because we had so much coffee.
Speaker 2:And tossed all its creme brulee.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so we meet a bunch of cast of characters. You got Jeremy Piven who's constantly going insane and yelling everywhere. You have to chill, you have to chill so good. Corey Lloyd's friend, who wrote 65 songs about her ex.
Speaker 2:That guy. He knows how to not be made Keymaster.
Speaker 1:You show up drunk, you show up drunk and yell at everybody. It's like we don't want him to have to talk to anybody I don't want responsibility. But yeah so Corey makes writes 65 songs about her ex Joe and she sings every single one of them.
Speaker 2:I'm going to sing every single one.
Speaker 1:That will never be me. That will never be me If she had real friends.
Speaker 2:they would have been like nah girl yeah.
Speaker 1:It's like a lot of people just like listen to her sing her bad song. This is the actress is Lily Taylor and she grew up in this movie eventually to be conjured because she's in conjuring well that didn't hit. That was, I guess, a bad joke.
Speaker 2:No, it just took me a second. She was conjured for a movie.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for the movie Conjuring. She all got demoned up. Joe died and possessed her later. Hell yeah, man. So Joe is there and he's kind of a douchebag, but really I think he's just stupid. Joe is there and he's kind of a douchebag, but really I think he's just stupid. He's very dumb. Yeah, he's just like a dumb boy. Yes, he's not really like a super bad guy.
Speaker 2:He's just like I, just kind of let my hormones and testosterone take me everywhere. It's like this wiener with a carrot with a stick on it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's kind of like one of those things where it's like, well, he definitely cares about her. He's just uh, uh, everything is run by his penis. It seems like, um, so he loves her songs. That uh, she's saying and says he will break up. So you know he's stupid. Yeah, and he, he says he's gonna break up with his girlfriend, he's leaving for college and you know it's, he's just breaking up with her before she can break up with him you know, um, and now he wants to be with cory and it's working until he asks her to have sex with him, because he just immediately like, let's get back together.
Speaker 1:They hug, we have sex with me and good on her for saying no and fuck off it's like we're breaking up and we see Diane and Lloyd don't spend too much time together at the party next to each other, but at various points Lloyd does check up on Diane and it's so cute who are you here with?
Speaker 2:oh, that creepy guy in the trench, yeah, because he's staring at me.
Speaker 1:She's talking to cory like her best friend, his best friend, and she's just like blabbering on about joe and diane's like I don't know you, and then he's like who you here with? Or it's like you know, no one's as great as lloyd, you know, kind of pumping up lloyd. He's like yeah, he's been so sweet, he's been constantly checking up on me. He's like there he is, and he's like it's just like oh, lloyd is a good guy, he's cute, um, but yeah, um, cory talks up lord, uh, lloyd saying he's a great guy. Diane calls her dad to check up and I love, she's like okay, yeah, yeah, stop being so grateful. Just like she's like god, stop being so kind. Um, when the party ends, there is one kid who's too drunk to drive, because he was so, I guess, uh nervous about how he looked. He just got super drunk in the bathroom.
Speaker 2:He kept looking at himself in the mirror, going yeah.
Speaker 1:He's like, oh, what did I do wrong? The thing is I was like I kind of like your style guy.
Speaker 2:I didn't think it was that bad I feel like you kind of look good. I don't know.
Speaker 1:You could probably get one date, but it is late 80s so maybe like his fashion, doesn't?
Speaker 2:He had a date with the porcelain god.
Speaker 1:Yeah, just got his face on the rim of it.
Speaker 2:Hell yeah.
Speaker 1:It's pretty clean. Yeah, it was clean. I would only maybe put my head on the toilet of my bathroom and I still wouldn't do it.
Speaker 2:Have you ever been so drunk like at a bar and you go to the bathroom and kind of lean your head against the wall so you can balance yourself while you pee? That makes it worse. But I did that once and I leaned back and I looked at the wall in front of me. It was covered in snot and like spit, I was like what have I done?
Speaker 1:It's like you know what. Let me add something to it. I've never been that drunk at a bar. I don't really. I've never really gotten drunk at bars.
Speaker 2:I've never really gotten drunk at bars.
Speaker 1:I've only really gotten drunk once at a bar and that was because that was when I kind of really didn't know too much about alcohol and someone was like, hey, I was last to get the drink and I was just listening to what they're getting and it was a two for one thing on certain nights. So they're all like, yeah, I'll take two for roses, which was whiskey, I didn't know what Four Roses was.
Speaker 1:So I was like, yeah, I'll do the same thing. And then I got him. I'm like I took a drink. It's like, oh, this is whiskey.
Speaker 2:It's just whiskey. I have two whiskeys.
Speaker 1:I got very drunk but like not that bad, I was just having a good time.
Speaker 2:I've never had a good time. I've had good times being drunk at bars, but it never ends up good at the end.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, it was in Nashville and is this kind of like a hole in the like secret, kind of like hole in the wall bar where it's just like you would never thought it was that nice inside there and it was like it's just a bunch of hipsters in there. And I was like maybe I do like bars, but I'm not driving to Nashville.
Speaker 2:Oh, my favorite bar in Nashville there's an Irish bar. Oh really, there's always a guy singing Irish tunes. It was always, it was so fun.
Speaker 1:I've been to the one that's like an English pub type thing, it's like a restaurant bar. It's very like you know. Oh, you like England, you know type of things.
Speaker 2:It's like okay cool, how are you walking?
Speaker 1:Hello governor Cooked goose for everyone.
Speaker 2:Wait, that's wait is that even English? It sounded English, yeah, right.
Speaker 1:So Diane and Lloyd drive the drunk guy home, but it takes them like three hours to find the guy's house and the way you know it takes three hours because there's gonna be three hours of non-commercial radio and then it's like the whole three hours, three fucking hours. Because he couldn't find his house.
Speaker 2:He's too drunk to know how to get home.
Speaker 1:And he's like oh, there it is, Should have left him there at his friend's house. You're just going to go by payphone and call somebody dude.
Speaker 2:Just wait until he sobers up.
Speaker 1:Let him drive himself home. Yeah, so they walk home from a 7-Eleven and he does the sweetest thing.
Speaker 2:There's a tiny pile of glass, that's so stupid.
Speaker 1:Oh wait, there's glass Will she bear for it. No, she's just in her high heels. I love that he kicks the glass. He's like you spread glass everywhere, it was a one tiny area and then she walks around and it's like what, what? It is really silly, but it's such one of those like because it's like an, actually an important thing for her, and it's like man that is how we thought in high school was like stupid, dumb things like that was so sweet yeah it's terrible.
Speaker 1:Lloyd doesn't end up delivering Diane home until like morning. It's like daylight outside the two. Do not kiss on the first date, finally. It's more of an awkward. Do not kiss on the first date, finally, um more. It's more of an awkward. Cute she attacks him with a hug. It was so sweet because she's like going in.
Speaker 1:Like yeah, she went full chimpanzee on her, I guess but it gets like by the end of this date i'm'm like this is so cute, and then it's just like 30 more minutes of me just being like aww, I just imagine Natalie listening to you from the other room.
Speaker 2:No, she was right next to me and I just kept.
Speaker 1:I kept turning to her. I was like this is so cute. And then I did say like aww, like three different times that's adorable. I love romance movies. You love romance. I love romance movies.
Speaker 2:You love romance, I love all movies, don't come at me like that, Don't come at me bro.
Speaker 1:And she goes inside. Her father's not upset by the late return, because she called and that's all he needs. He just needs one phone call to know she's okay. She feels bad about calling Lloyd basic because he's like no, you're not like other guys, you bad about calling Lloyd basic.
Speaker 2:He's like no, you're not like other guys, You're basic. She's got his pumpkin spice latte, yeah.
Speaker 1:And then the dad's like I wouldn't worry about him because outside, in front of our house, in the middle of the road. He's like making kissing to the crowd and bowing, they're all giving him a huge round of applause and then I'm like at home on the couch, like that was pretty funny.
Speaker 1:That was kind of I've never done nothing like that, but I've been like in my car like, except for like my first ever kiss, where I attacked the girl's face because I was so nervous and I was like really quickly went like so let's say her lips are closed. Here's mine.
Speaker 1:And I immediately went oh sorry, I like hugged her, got the car and I drove off and left her there and I was like, but it was okay, it's like, is you know? It's like the classic thing where it's like we'll just have to practice and I was like, oh, thank god, I thought that was it, we're under your pillow so you can practice.
Speaker 1:And I was just like I never got any better at first kisses. So, yeah, you only get one chance. Yeah. So you almost did essentially the same thing with my wife. I was just like we're just like sitting in the car, we just went to watch the movie boyhood, just like I think I hated that movie, and then I was just we're just kind of sitting there, I was like I want to kiss her. Does she want me to kiss her? Hey, let's just try it. And then I was like why?
Speaker 2:Why do I so?
Speaker 1:grisly go in for first kiss. I need to calm down.
Speaker 2:I feel like there needs to be, if they would include some sex education in schools, like maybe just high school, just to teach you what to do on your first date.
Speaker 1:No, I needed, I think therapy. Yeah, therapy's good. I needed to learn how not to be nervous, because I'm still in the same way.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying. If they would have pulled me aside in high school and be like give me a checklist of things to do and do nots on first dates that would be great, like like the, my first kiss.
Speaker 1:It wasn't like the first day, it was like a month into the relationship well, okay, maybe, maybe just like a list of firsts.
Speaker 1:My first date wasn't any better. Yeah, with that girl. She fell asleep, we were watching, we like went out to eat and I'm so nervous because you know, at some point I should have talked about somebody, about somebody, about how much anxiety and nervousness I have um, and then, like we went back to like, her place. They had a pool house and we like watched family guys. She fell asleep and I was like this is a good day. I don't know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, am I good at this man.
Speaker 1:She felt comfortable enough around you to I got false I was uh probably not a very good boyfriend in my first relationship yeah you'll learn somehow, or maybe I was, I don't know who knows right? No feedback anyways. So lloyd's friend cory tells him to keep his mouth shut during a dinner. Um, because diane has invited him over for like the second date to meet with her father's like colleagues and business pals, for a dinner. I'd be like ooh, what if we didn't do that for the second date?
Speaker 2:Right, I mean she wants him to meet her dad.
Speaker 1:Yeah, how about third or fourth date? Not with a bunch of other people there, because it's like what is this situation? It?
Speaker 2:does kind of take the pressure off of him because he doesn't have to be the center of the whole time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but there's always a point where you will become the center of attention because you're a random guy in this house with people that don't know you, um, but yeah. So cory tells him like don't talk during the dinner. You do this nervous talking thing and it ruins everything. So, which he mostly does. But at one point Diane and her father tells a story about when Diane tried to board a plane once when she was like eight, but got so scared that her father had to tell the pilot to turn the plane around before it took off. And then Lloyd's all like man, you guys are amazing.
Speaker 1:It's like I've never been able to talk to anyone like that. It's like when he says that and it's just kind of quiet.
Speaker 2:I'm like fuck yeah man.
Speaker 1:That hurt. I feel really bad.
Speaker 2:But I love when they asked him what he was going to do for a career and I thought of two careers for someone with the name of Dobler One uh, he's a meteorologist, the other one is a House elf.
Speaker 1:Oh, I was thinking like maybe he could be like a wasp, like a dirt dobler.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that would be good too.
Speaker 1:Lloyd, could you turn into a wasp? Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:I have a perfect job for you.
Speaker 1:But yeah, just like that one little line where he's like I've never had anybody like that in my life and it's like, oh, she's never had anyone other than her father. He's almost never had anyone because parents are in Germany. He's been like, I guess, a military brat, the sisters that was in a bad relationship and now has a kid, and it's just like he's kind of never really had a serious thing, Even though I will say him and his friend Corey, they seem like pretty cool, chill people that you can say anything to you know, say anything to Corey In the movie, all right so, but when asked what his dreams are for the future, however, he disappoints the adults by not having any ambitious dreams.
Speaker 1:He tells them that he just wants to spend as much time as possible with Diane and is interested in kickboxing the future. Fuck, yeah, man, and it was. He was right. I love his speech.
Speaker 1:I don't want to sell anything, buy anything or process anything as a career. I don't want to sell anything bought or processed, or buy anything sold or processed, or process anything sold, bought or processed, or repair anything sold, bought or processed. You know, as a career I don't want to do that. That's a lot more direction than that. So I read something that this was actually him messing up the line.
Speaker 1:So he just kept trying to get it right, and Cameron Crowe was like this is perfect and that's why you see it cut away to the different people while he's talking. That was to hide like his facial like being, like buy anything type of thing, right. But I kind of love that at the beginning the father's like I kind of like this guy, and then he gets into the kickboxing thing and everybody's like what? I think kickboxing has a bright future, yeah. And then we also see that there's a jukebox in here that costs $9,000, which will come into play later. You don't think it would, but it immediately will right now. So midway through the dinner, two men come to the door to inform Mr Court that he is under investigation from the IRS. He gets agitated and tells them to visit him at his office. It's like wait, what? Right, because it's just like it's nighttime. It's like why?
Speaker 2:Why is this part in?
Speaker 1:the movie? And also, why did him and Diane answer the door at the same time?
Speaker 2:They do everything. It is kind of weird.
Speaker 1:So Diane goes to visit her mom and asks her to please say something nice about her father if the IRS is ask, ask anything. And she's like, can we just talk about boys or something? I'm your mom, I'm boy crazy. Diane invites Lloyd to visit her at her job at the retirement home. Lloyd is scared of old people because it makes them think about dying. Diane gets mad at him and Lloyd immediately changes his mind. It's like all of it's like you know, it's like I just see him eat and then I'm like and then she's like that's ageism.
Speaker 1:Yeah, how would you feel if someone said that about you when you're older and he's like you know? You're immediately turning me around on this, just like love being that age and like nothing matters. It's just like, oh, I believe in this. Oh wait, oh wait.
Speaker 2:You're going to break up with me. At least he's willing to change his mind.
Speaker 1:It's like never mind, I don't believe in anything. Whatever you believe in, yeah, it's great. So Lloyd's at the retirement home they're super cute together. They look really good Playing cocoon. Yeah, and he plays cocoon for these old people, it's so great.
Speaker 2:This is the oldest movie ever.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's great and that's got like Wilford Brimley in it right, Diabetes guy.
Speaker 2:And it's like was he ever young? No, was he ever.
Speaker 1:No. And then we see like Diane's really liking Lloyd and it's like, ah, it's just getting so cute. So they go get coffee together and Diane tells Lloyd that she is just too stressed out to get into anything deep with Lloyd because of her move and the IRS investigation. They agree to be friends with potential Uh-oh, not benefits. And guess what People who like each other that try to be friends with benefits it always turns into a relationship and then doesn't work out.
Speaker 1:So this status changes. While Lloyd is teaching Diane how to drive stick shift, she's barely catching on, but enjoying the process.
Speaker 2:Hey, she did better than I did. She was yeah.
Speaker 1:I floated a truck the first time yeah, but I also was being taught literally. My uncle said this is going to be the hardest car you ever drive.
Speaker 2:So if you can drive this, you can drive any stick shift and I was like cool, you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a ball, jesse.
Speaker 1:I was like I'm pretty sure I'll figure it out. 20 minutes later it's like, well, we're gonna have to leave the truck here and we're gonna have to go get somebody. That's like maybe an easier car next time.
Speaker 2:I don't know my dad just gave me. He let me borrow his truck while they were working on the roof. And, uh, they sat up there on the roof and watched me. I had no instruction, it's just like here, drive it. And I just saw. I out there for like four hours Trying to figure out what to do and I finally figured it out.
Speaker 1:It's just like three hours and thirty minutes in. You gotta hit the clutch. What's?
Speaker 2:the clutch.
Speaker 1:I thought all cars just had 15 pedals in here Whole time you had the parking brake on. Yeah, I really I wish I knew how to drive stick. I should just find someone with a stick and be like teach me, give me that stick. Yep. So at one point the two get quite close and Lloyd plants a kiss on her, which she accepts, and it grows.
Speaker 1:They kiss a few more time and then decide to drive somewhere more private and then you kind of get like a montage of them just kissing places and eventually we see Diane and Lloyd parked in Lloyd's car by the seat. The two appear to have just had sex underneath some blankets in the back seat.
Speaker 2:How scratchy does that blanket look? It looks like one of those that come on a pull-out mattress at a hotel.
Speaker 1:It looks like a lot of blankets I had growing up. Specifically remember one with Batman on it. Hell yeah. So the they're underneath some blankets. In the backseat, diane remarks how Lloyd is shaking. She thinks it's because he's cold, but he explains he's just so happy. He's like I'm a diabetic and it's like also like I've never had sex, so like a lot of things just exploded. My mind is open. Yeah, my mind is open.
Speaker 1:Yeah, my third eye is yeah, and then like they're kind of talking and he's like she's like shut up, listen to the song she tells him that this is what clarity is, because it's so nice.
Speaker 2:And then it's like aww, aww in your eyes, and then the song just kind of goes a little bit and he's like in your eyes, the heat in your eyes, your eyes, so good.
Speaker 1:So in the morning Diane arrives home to a dad who's quite upset with her. Unlike the previous all-nighter, she failed to call him this time around and that's the only thing you know. Like he's still not that upset, he's just like this is bullshit, but still not that mean about it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he was just upset, he's just like, I just want one phone call which you know as a high schooler.
Speaker 1:It's probably like, oh, I got to call my dad, but really it's like, well, if he's not going to get mad at you, it's not that bad yeah.
Speaker 2:What do you think the best song to have sex to is?
Speaker 1:Closer by Nine Inch Nails. Nice, I want to fuck you like an album. Hell yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 2:Just kidding. No, but when we and Ali are having a conversation.
Speaker 1:It's like I think we're just like what's like the sexiest song. It's like it's probably Closer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Well, we were the funniest one was we were listening to the radio and hey, ya was real big.
Speaker 1:Hey, ya, yeah, it's really hot when it's just like the polaroid picture.
Speaker 2:just over and over. We were just dying laughing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was so fun. Yeah, I don't know what, like the most romantic song to have sex with would be shake it probably uh what's that jeff box jeff boxworthy song, buckley song.
Speaker 2:He's like you might be a redneck if you're having sex.
Speaker 1:It's not hallelujah. Buckley lover you should have come over. I love that song, lover, you should come over. That's like a very good song, um like backdoor Santa.
Speaker 2:I've never heard of that one, uh, santa better get away from there though so it's about a guy who goes from house to house having sex with women while their husbands are at work oh nice, hey way to go, santa.
Speaker 1:So at this point she mentions how she feels free to say anything to her dad. She's like you can say anything to me, roll credits that's like their.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a great mantra. So she tells her dad everything about her and Lloyd's relationship. She brings up the glass thing from earlier where she kicked some glass because it's like I don't know sweet, I loved it. She says she never gets nervous with him. She explains that she first wanted to avoid doing anything serious like sex with him, but in the end she just attacked him. Yes, serious like sex with him, but in the end.
Speaker 2:She just attacked him, yes, buried him on the beat.
Speaker 1:Yeah, out of your hell, it was a very it follows situation.
Speaker 2:As a father, you should own an incinerator.
Speaker 1:Yeah right, while her father isn't upset at her, he clearly isn't thrilled to be hearing this from her daughter. Then we see Lloyd is with Corey and another friend. They figure out he has had sex. By the way he's acting, corey tells him everything has changed because, no matter what or when, he will always know that they had sex.
Speaker 2:He's singing that I just had sex. I just had sex and it felt so good.
Speaker 1:He says he wrote Diane a letter and it says I will always be there for you. All the love in my heart. It's like like DC and Corey are there and it's just like. He's like was that good? Corey's like yeah, I love Lily Taylor in this movie. She's so great. And even DC I don't know the actress very well, but like they're kind of two perfect friends, yeah. And then we see Diane's father getting pressed by the IRS. This added strain between Diane and her father seems to be too much for her to handle. Her father suggests that she break up with Lloyd to help make her life simpler. He suggests that she could give him something for him to remember her by, such as a pin which he gives her um. She also says she loves him for the first time to the father.
Speaker 1:Um, diane's father is struggling with irs stuff and her daughter is flying the coop. He's scared to lose his daughter, but this makes diane feel bad because he's like maybe I'm just being selfish and kind of walks away and it's like I was so confused at this point, when the IRS were talking to him at the nursing home and he's pouring coffee, they're like why aren't you making more money?
Speaker 2:yeah, is that the crime? Yeah.
Speaker 1:I think it's the thing. It's like you haven't raised any of your prices, which you should have been doing, like over the I don't know decades. He's probably had the and it's like so how are you making money right now? It's like you seem to be wealthy but you're not upping your prices. And it's like, I don't know man, leave these old people alone.
Speaker 2:Let them have their small prices.
Speaker 1:I don't care what happens to my shit after I die. True.
Speaker 2:You put it into a trust. That's what rich people do so.
Speaker 1:Next time. We see Diane and Lloyd driving around and they talk about the letter, Lloyd tells her he loves her. She doesn't want to hear it, though, because she breaks up with them. No, this is a very painful, like slow breakup, it hurt to watch. And it also kind of is a perfect great breakup scene, Because the point where she turns around and she's like right, and it's just immediately reminded me of just the awkward moment when it's like shit, we're breaking up and now we're just sitting here and it captured that moment really well, that's another lesson I wish I would have learned how to break up and to be broken up with.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that should be something. You should get a little heads up.
Speaker 1:There is no way to do it be like hey, you're gonna feel like shit yeah and it's this it's just you're gonna, and when you break up, you're gonna be thinking about it for a week and then finally you're just gonna blurt it out and it's not gonna go. Well, I'm gonna write a bunch of songs about yeah, um, and I just like, just like that, like the breakup. She eventually, like, ends up being like shit. I guess I better give him a pin.
Speaker 2:Because she's kind of like running out of options. I gave a girl a calligraphy set once Really. When I was moving away.
Speaker 1:I just gave him a good look at this and I pointed my butt and I walked out. Just kidding, I don't think I've ever really did a. Here's a picture of my butt. I've only like broke up with someone twice. I've usually been broken up with oh yeah every time and it's just like uh, just it just didn't go well and I felt bad forever, you know. But I like that. The scene kind of starts off almost as like a negotiation, like Lloyd's like oh yeah, we're still gonna hang out and stuff and we're not actually breaking up because we already tried to do this once and we just kept making out Um. And then Tilly realizes what happens, like yeah, but I don't know. Just like seeing them sit in the pain of the decision is great, and then, I love, he's like oh, I feel like a dick. You must think I'm a dick, diane. No, I don't Lloyd. You do, diane, I don't Lloyd. We shared the most intimate thing. Two people can share Um and Lloyd, you shared it with a dick.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she's like hell, yeah, high five, and it's just like.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like even though it's not his fault and he's not a dick. But like when you get broken up with, you're like I'm a fucking idiot, I'm a loser.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he starts brooding immediately. He broods so hard, oh, it's so great. He's like ah, I do Great, let me.
Speaker 1:go in a phone booth and stand out in the rain, pull the phone out in the rain, away from the safety.
Speaker 2:Break this phone.
Speaker 1:But he calls his sister and tells her about the breakup. Lloyd, she broke up with me. What do I do? Can she come back? How can I get her back? I can't. I can't get her to talk with me. It's so fucked up. I feel like crying. She gave me a pin, I gave her my heart and she gave me a pin.
Speaker 1:Great line and there's like a book of, like some of the greatest quotes in movies. This was number 73 in that book. Oh, wow. So Lloyd drives around talking to the tape recorder for Corey's friend. He goes around to all the tape recorder for Corey's friend. He goes around to all the spots that he spent time together. It's like our controversial first day at the mall, this place where I broke up with you, you broke up with me. He says that he should hang out with more guys like the people that hang out behind a convenience store.
Speaker 2:No, not these guys. They know everything. He should get out more yeah, right.
Speaker 1:So he goes to the guys and they all say dumb ass. Shit, that little boy he's like bitches man, it's like just the worst. Um, one guy's like find a girl that looks just like her and nail her and then dump her. Yeah, there's like a 10 year old.
Speaker 2:It's like bitches man, he's got a time and like leaves um, yeah, shut the dude as soon as he walked up and saw a little kid hanging out with these 19 to 22-year-olds.
Speaker 1:he should be like that's a red flag, it's time to go.
Speaker 2:And they're drinking alcohol. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And then he goes like he leaves and gets back in the car and he turns on the tape recorder. That was a mistake. So he goes back to his car and he's talking on his thing and then he has this line the rain on my car is a baptism. The new me, iceman Power, lloyd, my assault on the world begins now. Okay, it's like that pep talk you got to give yourself to be like. You know what. Emotions won't ever affect me, ever again, and it's like I guarantee you they will. Emotions won't ever affect me, ever again, and it's like I guarantee you they will. So he goes to Corey and his friends and they try to give him advice. He says he is a guy and has pride, so he won't go see her DC. Lloyd, why do you have to be like this, lloyd? Because I'm a guy. I have pride. Corey, you're not a guy. Lloyd, I am Corey. No, the world is full of guys.
Speaker 2:I am Corey, no the world is full of guys. Be a man, don't be a guy. They are in love with him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, it's just like you know. Honestly, I think in high school your main friends should be girls. They're just going to help you man. Yeah, that would be nice. I was always like other than like my best friend and like a couple other guys like I was always more comfortable being friends with girls for some reason. Yeah. I get it Probably why people thought I was gay.
Speaker 2:I didn't really have any girls that I was friends with that closely.
Speaker 1:I had a couple in high school. They're cool.
Speaker 2:I was too stupid.
Speaker 1:I was just quiet. I feel like people were like hey, it's the quiet guy.
Speaker 2:He can hang out with us. He must be intense.
Speaker 1:Occasionally I'm funny when I have confidence. So we learned that Lloyd's called her for seven or seven unreturned calls. Lloyd calls her one more time. We watch as Diane and her father listen to Lloyd's message. From Diane's reaction it's clear that she still is very much in love with him. Her father tells her just to pick up the phone, but she replies that if she did she would just get back together with Lloyd and he's like well, you know best. Eventually she can't resist and picks up the phone.
Speaker 2:But just as Lloyd hangs up and it's like ah, I guess you never had one of those moments where you're just like yeah, that's exactly what Natalie said.
Speaker 1:It's like call him back Star 69, that shit, it's the 80s. You know how to do that and I was like wow you call 411 to check the time.
Speaker 2:Yeah you can't do star 69.
Speaker 1:IES phone.
Speaker 2:I need the time man you ever have a movie phone I used to call it just listen to all the trailers for movies. I loved it. Yeah, I remember doing that.
Speaker 1:It's like I don't know why. I did that because I never went to the movies when I was a kid, because I never had a ride.
Speaker 2:I was in like biking distance oh nice.
Speaker 1:I probably should have just done that. I mean, there was points where I would like drive two hours away on my bike, which was only, like you know, 30 minutes away. Right, that's what that's about. How far?
Speaker 2:Because it was in Lebanon and like that's about how far it would have been, because it was in Lebanon and I had to ride my bike through. It was a long ride to get to the movie theater and I had to cross highways.
Speaker 1:My parents didn't know what the fuck I was doing ever. But I mean, that's something about being in the 90s or 80s where it's just like kids got on bikes and it's just like we're going to go ride bikes. It's like okay. And then it's like okay and then just like next thing you know, it's me and my friend Richard going downhill.
Speaker 2:I got my hat turned backwards, so I can go as fast as possible.
Speaker 1:And it's this giant hill and you go so fast you got to ramp it all to sticks.
Speaker 2:Here's the thing.
Speaker 1:It was a very curvy road, so it's like at any point a car is coming around and hitting us.
Speaker 2:It's like did I?
Speaker 1:not ever or die. How did we make it? I don't know. And that's how you should let your kids grow up.
Speaker 2:Let them grow up and remember how stupid they were as kids.
Speaker 1:So Diane's father flirts up a girl while buying Diane some luggage and he asks her out. But all his cards start getting cut and declined and he's embarrassed and leaves.
Speaker 2:He sits in his bathtub scared to death.
Speaker 1:And what is the most iconic scene from this movie? Which?
Speaker 2:kind of. It's my first time seeing this movie and I've heard of this scene, yeah it's not as big as it is. It's not as big. It's not as big as you think it is.
Speaker 1:There's like barely it's like 30 seconds long. When you rewatch it, though it's like every time, the more you rewatch it. The it's like every time, the more you rewatch it, the more you're like.
Speaker 2:I get it, Lloyd. There's not even a reason for him to be out there doing it. He's not like, he's just like it's his last. His last ditch effort, his last try.
Speaker 1:He's like all right, I called her a lot, which you know it's not really pushing a boundary. You're a teenager. It's just what teenagers do? They call people when they're obsessed with them, right? And then it's like all right, our sex song yeah, this is my last chance because that's why you kind of don't hear from him until she goes to him. At the end he's like I did everything I could think of. It's time to get over it.
Speaker 2:Right, I did all the weird shit I thought of yeah, but it's like she doesn't even respond to it and that's what killed and that's what it's weird. The whole thing about the scene that killed me was that she kind of just rolled over in bed. It was like fuck off.
Speaker 1:Well, it's just like she wants to. So bad to go out there, but she's like she's being responsible.
Speaker 2:Right, she wants to be responsible Because of her calling the police.
Speaker 1:I think it's just one of those things where it's like she's like this is so romantic, but I got too much shit going on. This is so romantic, but I got too much shit going on, and I don't know. It is like it kind of gets. I think it's one of those moments where back in the day, people were just constantly rewatching it, and the more you rewatch it, the kind of the sweeter and like better. Yeah, I guess, especially once you see that they get back together, it's like aw, he did that To me. Like the thing was him holding a stereo up in the air for that long, and I love that he is holding it up and then he's like, damn it, it's not working.
Speaker 2:Fingertips. Hold it with your fingertips Higher, just a little bit higher.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it is kind of a sweet gesture, sure, and it's not. I feel like it should be creepy, but I think it's because of the way their breakup is. It's kind of sweet more than it is, Because it's like I know you don't want this.
Speaker 2:We got a week left. Come on. We heard Bone so many times in this song.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but so Diane hears it but just lies in bed thinking of all the issues she has. So by now the IRS investigation is heating up. Diane goes to the investigation's office and demands that Philip Baker Hall tells her what is going on. Philip Baker Hall is like in every fucking movie ever. You've probably seen him in a billion things. He's great. He's dead RIP. You're one of the best that guys that ever existed. That guy, that guy, not fat guy, yeah, that guy.
Speaker 2:I thought he said fat guy.
Speaker 1:I was like he's not. So the man tells her that they believe that. Mr Court, her father has been stealing money from residents at the senior home when they die. He then hides the money in the form of a cash and collectibles in the house. Diana is shocked and does not believe it. She goes home and starts searching the house for supposed cash. Meanwhile we're all like, oh yeah, there's a jukebox.
Speaker 2:There's a Persian rug. Yeah, everything that that guy was just talking about, yeah.
Speaker 1:And there is a and Diane stops to notice the fancy ring on her hand that her dad gave and it's like maybe this wasn't mom's. Eventually she goes around and it's like a five minute scene of her opening some drawers. It's the worst part of the movie. It's like all right, come on, we can go through this a little faster.
Speaker 1:And then she looks into an old antique box that her dad kept in his office and discovers a stash of thousands and thousands of dollar figures, and she takes none. I would not be able to do that, no you gotta take it. It's for her.
Speaker 2:I.
Speaker 1:And I fill it up with paper at the bottom.
Speaker 2:I can't believe you didn't tell me about all this money?
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, I'm so upset. We could have bought me two cars. So she goes to confront her dad, who tries to deny it. She's angry at that, while she always told her father anything. He always has to say anything. He is unwilling to come clean. He breaks down and admits that he was taking their money, tries to justify it by saying that it was all done for the sake of her and it's like Dad, we don't need this.
Speaker 2:No, you could have just been a father Seems like she got a scholarship. Yeah, she'd be alright, she didn't need it.
Speaker 1:But he just wanted it's like sweet and shitty at the same time. This is kind of what the movie is. It's just about these people making decisions at moments of their life, and he made the wrong one.
Speaker 2:And if he's only taking from people who, if their assets or the money or whatever, was just going to go to the government and not to family, it was like some of them were going to families, but his justification was their families.
Speaker 1:none of them come to visit these people. They stuck them into a retirement home just so they didn't have to deal with it.
Speaker 2:I feel like he's right about all of this. That's the thing. Even though it's illegal, it's illegal, and it's like, oh fuck.
Speaker 1:I mean they did put all these people in a retirement home and probably visit them like once a month.
Speaker 2:He treats them really well. Yeah, they love them. They watch Cocoon I. I wish here in the US we would take better care of our elderly. I mean, that's kind of a thing.
Speaker 1:They do have. I mean, I feel like probably a lot of retirement. You know, there's always like the bad stories about retirement homes.
Speaker 2:But I'm sure there's a lot of great retirement homes. My grandmother was in a shitty one. Really, oh God, it's like. I feel like they're probably getting better now.
Speaker 1:As you know, the world kind of gets, but more progressive slash, not progressive oh man. Yeah, I know it's like, and if I plan on not having kids, I'm going to end up there one day probably. So, we'll see. Maybe I'll just like find a young person. It's like live with.
Speaker 2:Delaware, just uh, you know there's a few states now that have assisted suicide? You know so. Have assisted suicide, you know. So it's always a way to do it. What?
Speaker 1:I want to do is go to the one in Sweden.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like sell, get rid of all my shit Hang out in Sweden.
Speaker 1:Take my money.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Go to Sweden, Eat some chocolate, Live it up and then get into that pod Like hook me up doc.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'd get to Sweden and be like oh, the internet, here's something great, you know, let's just take me out now. There's no Wi-Fi, kill me, well, now that we got into assisted suicide. So yeah, he comes clean, he breaks. I already said all that. While Lloyd is engaged in a kickboxing training match at the gym, diane comes by to ask for forgiveness and says she needs him. She tells him that she loves him.
Speaker 2:He asks her to say it three times and then asked he was hoping I kicked on the face. Yeah, it was great.
Speaker 1:And then, like they fix his like, unbreak his nose, and I'm like you need to go to the hospital immediately, you know your whole, entire face is about to swell up. Um, and then he asked if she just needs someone or if she needs him. Um, he says it doesn't matter and they kiss anyways, because there's no way he's coming out of that conversation not back together with her.
Speaker 2:Let's imagine her face being covered in blood, because yeah, they kiss.
Speaker 1:Yeah, quite a bit and I really like this because you know they could have made it to be this movie where it's just like oh, you just want me because everything sucks now, and it's just like but it's like you know she always wanted them. It's just like she felt too much responsibility to her family and what she has to go and like what they're going through. And now that it's like well, the only person that I trusted, uh, other than you, screwed me, so like I should have picked, I should have been with you the whole time, and it's just like he doesn't make a too big of a deal of it and it's great and I don't know. I just felt like there could have been a part where, uh lloyd's just like no, you just want me now because you have no one, and it's like could have been five more minutes of it, and it's like thank God, they're just like we're young and love.
Speaker 1:Let's just fucking do this.
Speaker 2:Right yeah, I also thought that Lloyd in his mind was saying was having this argument with himself.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But then he was like you got nothing else, lloyd. It's like this is the best thing.
Speaker 1:You got it right out, I'm just going to keep getting kicked in the face by people. Plus, I'm going to go to London, let's go. So meanwhile, we see two lawyers negotiate a deal this court will be fined and serve a year nine months of prison with $125 fine $25,000. $25,000. I do love the scene of how quick it is. They're just like how about this?
Speaker 2:How about this? How about this? How about this? No, how about this, and it's like all right, cool.
Speaker 1:It's like, yeah, because lawyers got like 500 meetings probably every day. It's like we have to hurry up and do this because I got like four more of these today. It's just his life, yeah. And it seems like they go in with like a certain like all right, I want no more than like. I'm sure Diane's father is like I want no more than a year. So ever, how, if you can keep it under a year, it's whatever amount of money they ask for, type of thing probably. And so when they he met under a year, he's like OK, cool, but you know he like lowballed him at first.
Speaker 2:He's like how about just a fine?
Speaker 1:He's like all right, three months in a fine, and he's like, it's like no, nine months and hundred twenty five thousand, yeah, and then five seconds later he's in jail.
Speaker 2:Yeah, with no due process.
Speaker 1:I know Well, because he was like I guess that was just essentially the plea. Yeah, they're working out a plea. He's like I want to serve immediately. I want to hurry up and get it over with, yeah. So next we see Lloyd meeting Mr Court in prison. Mr Court, I love it. Mr Court's in prison.
Speaker 2:He's already like a hardened criminal. He's smoking, yeah. Is this the only thing that makes you a hardened criminal? Yeah, I guess so.
Speaker 1:Diane is in the car while Lloyd hands over a letter. It appears as if Diane is about to go to England. Surprisingly, we also learned that Lloyd is going to go to England with her. Lloyd just know, oh, and so, yeah, I get. This whole thing is like are you all right, mr Court? And he's like I'm incarcerated, everything I did was pointless, and like he hates that. It's like that he's going to go to because it starts off where. He's like she's going to London and I'm not going to go. And I said I wouldn't go with her. And he's like oh, that's good, and you're just a distraction. And he's like, yeah, but then I decided I am gonna go to luncheon with her. And he's like damn it, um, but then, like you know, they kind of have a confrontation. And then he's like and I love this because jean-cusac's great and that he feels really bad about the situation. And you see that he wants he wants mr court, to feel better. So he's like here, take this letter, she wrote it. And he's like was it to?
Speaker 1:her dad yeah, and he's like just so, you know, there's like two versions of it. And it's like and he starts reading and lloyd knows what's in the letter and he's he's like, oh yeah, I've read this part. And then, mr court, he feels bad. And then he's like, all right, go to the end. There's a version on it that says I will always love you. Then he goes to the end and he's like oh, she just signed her name. And then louis like, uh, he has this great line. Just knowing that a version like that exists, knowing that just for one minute she felt that and wrote I can't help loving you. That has to be a good thing. And it's like, dude, cameron crowe, he's such a fucking good writer man, um, and john mahoney is so good at this part where he's just screaming and it's like never really seen a Mac like that in anything and it's wonderful. I don't know, it's a great scene. Uh, eventually Diane comes out of the car and does a final hug. Uh, it finally hugs her father. Goodbye.
Speaker 2:And says that I love her. He hears her mouth breathing from across the yard. She's here.
Speaker 1:Um, uh, she's here. Before leaving, she tells him to write her and leaves the pen she had previously giving Lloyd in her father's hands, and then a bunch of prison guards come and beat him up and take the pen.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they do, or it's one of those pens with the naked lady on it and you turn it upside down and get naked.
Speaker 1:Oh, thank god, she left me this one. Thank you, this is gonna make my nine months go by way faster.
Speaker 2:I'll trade this for a pack of smokes.
Speaker 1:He probably gets out in. What? Two months for good behavior? Yeah, probably, yeah. So the film ends with Diane and Lloyd on a plane together. A previous scene in the film indicated that Diane has never flown and is very fearful of the experience. Lloyd tries to calm her down by telling her that the most accidents happen in the first five minutes of the flight, and as soon as the fasten seatbelt sign goes off and a ding sounds, though he tells her that everything is okay the two are shown holding hands anxiously awaiting the ding. At the point that we hear the ding, the screen goes to black. Credits roll.
Speaker 2:What do you think about the ending? It was sweet. I love that type of ending. They're waiting for the smoking sign to come on so they can break open their marbles.
Speaker 1:Have you ever watched the Graduate? I don't know, with Dustin Hoffman? It's where. Mrs Robinson, are you trying to seduce me? That movie? I guess not. Well, it ends with him going to this girl's wedding Spoilers Fuck If you haven't seen it. That sucks, it's fine. And spoilers fuck if you haven't seen it. That sucks. Um, and he goes and breaks up this wedding and the bride runs out with them and they get on a bus and they just sit on the bus but the director is like just kept holding it, didn't call cut. He's like just keep acting until I say cut.
Speaker 1:So he lets them sit there for a long time in the scene uncomfortable silence, yeah, and then like they're all smiling and then they all fuck. What did we just like? They look like. They're like, did we just fuck up? And what I love about this movie is at the end of it. It's kind of that where it's like is it gonna work out? It was just a major mistake by both of them. And then the ding happens like forever they will be together and it's, I don't know until she meets all those english boys.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's just I don't know. I think it's all those English boys. Yeah, it's just I don't know. I think it's kind of a brilliant ending.
Speaker 2:Oh man Say Anything. Part Two he's kickboxing Englishmen.
Speaker 1:And he has a British accent. Oi, bruv, just kicking anyone who talks to her and like as soon as like in, like the whole movie. It's just like London calling, because you know that's how anytime, anytime someone flies to london and they get off a plane, it's always that song. So that's say anything. Jason, what the fuck is the point of say anything?
Speaker 2:uh, that it's. It's nice to that. I think having a person in your life that you can talk to is one of the most important things you can have in life.
Speaker 1:That's exactly what I think the point is too. But it's to find someone that you can say anything to. It's the most important thing you can find is someone that you can trust and be safe around, which is what Lloyd ended up being. Who makes you the?
Speaker 2:best you, he's her new dad.
Speaker 1:It's just I guess it's kind of the point I guess of like every rom-com, but especially the two we just did, it's about finding someone that makes you feel safe and comfortable. Until you find someone better You're able to be yourself around. Yeah, it is one of those things where it's like I don't know, they're both fucking like 18 or 19, so you know they'll probably break up eventually, pretty soon. But I don't know, they just feel so perfect together and I don't think they'll ever break up, jason, okay.
Speaker 2:We'll go with that.
Speaker 1:Okay, Well, I like romantic comedies. What can I say?
Speaker 2:Yeah, no they're fun All right, so we're going to hit up our next category.
Speaker 1:So we discussed the good of the film, something we like. The bad, something we didn't like. The ugly, something that didn't age well. The fine, something that did age well. For the good, I put the party scene.
Speaker 2:It's fun, it's great.
Speaker 1:The chemistry between Lloyd and Diane. It just makes me go aww.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I thought the good was all of the two main characters, their support systems were really fun. Like her dad was great, like also lloyd's friends.
Speaker 1:yeah, it's like always had his back, no matter what, yeah, and they're all like. There's the point where they're like they're kind of talking about after they have their first date and it's like cory and dc there's and like another friend. They're like do you like Diane, would really like Lloyd, and it's kind of silent.
Speaker 2:They look at each other like yeah, and it's like aw. Never had friends like that. What a bunch of good friends.
Speaker 1:So what do you got for the bad? This was a tough one for me, except all other boys in the high school.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, I think a part of it is just the idea that they're teenagers and they don't know shit about shit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like watching it as an adult, it's like yeah, it sucks to see you guys are making a lot of decisions right now but, like sometimes it's forced on you as a kid.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it is, it's just the way it is you just?
Speaker 1:got to take the good stuff as they're happening and run with it until it's not good anymore. I guess right.
Speaker 2:So it's bad, but it kind of sucks that it's bad because it's true.
Speaker 1:Yeah, maybe that's what it is. I really didn't have anything for the bad. I just had that like I don't know.
Speaker 2:Movies are kind of better than life sometimes. That's the whole point.
Speaker 1:My high school experiences were other than just like hanging out with my best friend at the time and doing a few things. It was just like man. Everybody seemed like they in movies. They had a really good time at high school and I never did. I never did really, it was just like can't wait to get off, go home, eat some ramen and watch a lot. Wow, man, Did I have a sad childhood?
Speaker 2:No, I definitely did.
Speaker 1:I mean, I still do the same thing. I can't wait to come home and watch my sitcoms. It decompresses me.
Speaker 2:What do you got for the?
Speaker 1:ugly.
Speaker 2:Didn't age well. I mean, I'm really sad that kickboxing never took off like you said it would. Mma, bro it all took off.
Speaker 1:He said it would MMA, bro. It all took off, baby, it's what everybody does now. They kick each other, that is true, like Lloyd would be at UFC next to Joe Rogan, just being like whoa, every time someone gets in one hit in a KO.
Speaker 2:You know that gif that goes around, where they just flip out. No, he'd be the one talking about how they like maybe they'll fall in love. Yeah, after the fight.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they'll kiss each other um, I put cameron crowe's filmography. Yeah, like after he hit like 2000s. It just like I mean, except we bought a zoo because they bought a zoo and I cried at the end. So, um, the fine, I put the ending and the relationship.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that feels realistic.
Speaker 1:It feels like a realistic type of young people in love movie, while life is happening in the background.
Speaker 2:That is. Yeah, that is a good point. I really like the movies that show like healthy relationships with parents. Yeah, it's kind of nice to see.
Speaker 1:It's like you know what.
Speaker 2:I never knew what that was all about?
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you know that's true Because, like I had two really great parents, like they grew up, they love me and everything. But it's like you know, as I got older I was like man, they were going through gosh. Dad had to like not have a job because of disability for so long it's like it's like.
Speaker 2:When I think about it now, I'm like fuck man, I was such a brat sometimes too.
Speaker 1:It's like I just remember the one time where it was around christmas and I remember or is my brother's birthday one of them, so my mom was buying him a playstation one game tony hawk, pro skater, fuck yeah, hell yeah, banger and I was throwing a temper tantrum because I wanted a wrestling action figure as a DDP. One Still have it at my house, at my childhood home, and I just remember crying she's like fine, we'll get this and we'll get your brother anything. Damn. She got both Nice, but that was.
Speaker 2:I remember that being sad about a decision I made and then I was like oh, and I think a lot of things changed that day.
Speaker 1:I specifically remember that all the time, I think about it way too much and I'm like, oh, this is why I'm a people pleaser. Now, what were you talking about, ddp?
Speaker 2:Realistic relationships, that's right.
Speaker 1:Yes, this whole movie is filled with it. It's great.
Speaker 2:There are a lot of really good relationships with him and his nephew. That was really fun. Yeah, always doing the wrestling shit with him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, then whenever he gets the day, he uses him as a guitar and he's like attack the bag, kill the bag. We are powered. So good, all right, so we're going to hit our next category Double feature power. It's so good, all right, so we're gonna hit our next category double feature.
Speaker 2:It's where we recommend a movie that goes alongside this movie. What do you got? Uh, don't know if I've recommended it before, but besieged fortress with a narrated by john cusack, I love it, that's great. Uh, a termite colony and an ant colony. They're too close together. So the ants try to invade the termite colony. And an ant colony, they're too close together. So the ants try to invade the termite colony, and it's like step by step. John Cusack, for some reason, yeah, and it's so wild that he's doing this. I just love it.
Speaker 1:You know that makes sense that he's narrating, because he does have kind of one of those voices where it's like I'm off putting about it sometimes. I don't know.
Speaker 2:It's just it's such a laid back kind of chill voice. It's like you trust it a little bit you hear him talking about ants murdering each other like murdering termites, and it's like I love this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love this. I actually I really do want to check that out. That sounds super interesting. I've got it on DVD somewhere, somewhere.
Speaker 2:Let me borrow it. I think it's also streaming on something.
Speaker 1:I'll have to check that out. So I chose a movie called Reality Bites. It was like a 1992 or 4? Is Bites spelled B-Y-T-E-S, b-i-t-e-s. It's directed by Ben Stiller. It's a movie about a documentary filmmaker and her fellow Gen X graduates face life after college, looking for work and love in Houston. So it's essentially just like.
Speaker 2:It's almost like a when was it made? Uh, the 90s. When did ben stiller start directing? Uh, I think this was his first movie.
Speaker 1:That's what I was thinking. Oh, I fucking hate imdb. It's 1994, um. So he already did like his almost snl run and stuff. Did he direct something about mary too? Yes, I believe. So let me get all this shit off. Previous, yeah, he's. You know, he did like zoolander um in 01 96, was the cable guy. He had the ben stiller show from 92 to 95, so like he was already kind of a name, and then 94 he did reality bites so and then he was on saturday night live or he directed a saturday night live episode um in 87 because his uh, father and mother were like in the business already. So you know he's kind of a oh uh one of those nepo babies which is a stupid name we give people.
Speaker 2:I wish I was a nepo baby right, it's so much easier no, but this movie is.
Speaker 1:It's great. You'd watch it and be like, fuck, I love the 90s. Oh yeah, I love it's like, even though I'm not gen x, I was like man, they went through some shit too, you know yeah with the name reality bites, though it sounds like a virtual reality.
Speaker 2:Yeah, lawnmower man kind of thing.
Speaker 1:Um also if you haven't seen Singles, which is Cameron Crowe's next movie after this please?
Speaker 2:Oh no, I saw Shingles. That was a terrible one. Yeah, it's not as a romantic movie.
Speaker 1:But, yes, watch Singles. It's so good. It's got a lot of Matt Dylans in it Catherine Sedgwick, whatever her name is, and it's just kind of like Say Anything. Cameron Crowe is just really good at quotable lines. There's this one part where it's the two main like the love story. They're walking around and like what's your name? I just want to make sure I'm getting her name right. Kira Sedgwick is like eating a hot dog and they're walking Sexy. He's kind of like talking. He's like I want to marry you. And then she's like oh, you're going to make me remember this shitty hot dog forever. And it's like it's it takes place in Seattle in the nineties. So, like you, um, like you have Pearl Gents in the movie, yeah, like they're Matt Dillon's friends, nice. And you have, uh, alice in Chains in the movie and stuff. It's great. Sounds like Wayne's World. Yeah, it's just.
Speaker 1:And so just imagine, say Anything, but a little more adult, okay. I guess, Even though I feel like Say Anything is adult anyway.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they're probably adults.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but yeah, check out those movies. So we're going to go way back to 1958.
Speaker 2:We're going to do what is considered one of the best movies ever made.
Speaker 1:Oh, vertigo, I can't wait to be so angry about this movie I'm gonna love it and jason's gonna be like meh, here's why you're gonna love it. Well, other than that, it's um, uh, alfred hitchcock film, which you know he he's.
Speaker 1:He makes some great movies, he's one of of our birds, I think, yeah, birds. You're going to be like, wow, this movie is probably could have trimmed like 10 minutes off of it. But that's all old movies essentially. But you're going to watch James Stewart. Here's the thing. James Stewart has one of the best voices in cinema history. No shit, yeah, because he's like oh, I can't do it, I'll have to hear it, don't worry, you'll get my Jimmy Stewart accent in the next episode. It's going to be great, is it Jimmy Stewart?
Speaker 2:James Stewart. Is it the same person?
Speaker 1:Yeah, people call him Jimmy Stewart sometimes. There probably is an actual Jimmy Stewart. I thought there was a comedian named Jimmy Stewart there probably is, I don't know, but James Stewart, he rules, he's great, he's got a hilarious voice, I don't know. There's something about the old Hitchcock movies that like they feel like prim and proper but there's always like some shitty stuff going on in the background and that's something that I really like about. You know all about for Hitchcock's movies. It's like about these well-to-do people.
Speaker 1:And it's like oh yeah, but you know human nature is going to get in the way. So is it kind of like Vertical Limit? No, oh no, james Stewart has vertigo and he chases a girl up some stairs. Man, have you ever seen?
Speaker 2:someone with vertigo fall it is terrifying, is it? Because they throw their full body into it. Get ready, bro, because that happens in this movie.
Speaker 1:It's so fucking scary. But no, this movie is a lot of fun, or you might find it boring, I don't know.
Speaker 2:It's an old movie. I love watching people fall down.
Speaker 1:Yeah, especially with like silly noises, and the older they are the better. So join us next week for Vertigo.
Speaker 2:I think it has more to do with like what they're slipping on, like ice or how much flailing, they do.
Speaker 1:Dude, don't worry I always send my wife Instagram reels of people following.
Speaker 2:Or it doesn't have to be humans, like the one with the emus growing down the icy road and they're all falling all over themselves. I don't think I've seen that one, holy shit.
Speaker 1:There's nothing better than ring camera. Video cameras. Ring cameras of people taking steps down and it's like next thing you know, they're all on the ground. It's like how did this happen? This is what ring covers were made for, or when someone falls for two minutes and it's like how are you still falling, have you? Seen that video of the guy that slips on ice, and then he's trying to catch himself and he's like he's like slipping for 30 minutes.
Speaker 2:It's so good, I love it so much, so that's what this movie is about. That's what this movie's about. Yeah, great, I can't wait, all right.
Speaker 1:Let's fall to the end of the podcast.
Speaker 2:No wonder it's the best movie ever. Yeah, all right.
Speaker 1:So join us next week for that. Thank you for listening. In the description we have a link that you can click to send us some fan mail. At the bottom there's our email. We recommend mailbag at gmailcom. Send us some some if you want. Whatever, um, leave us a review please. I think I don't remember if I said last time but we got our first, uh, non-five star review. It hurt me deep to my soul.
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