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Dunkirk
Christopher Nolan's "Dunkirk" reinvents the war film genre by stripping away traditional narrative elements and focusing instead on pure survival. Through a masterful interweaving of three timelines – one week on the beach, one day at sea, and one hour in the air – Nolan creates a visceral experience that places viewers directly into one of World War II's most pivotal evacuations.
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Hey guys, before we start the episode, we're just letting you know that we're struggling recording. This week. We've had some things happen and it's just going to be really tough. So we're going to give ourselves our first ever break, which I hate to do because I love consistency. But I don't know, we need a Monday where we don't release an episode because we're so behind and you know, shit happens in life, right? So a lot of last minutes. So, yeah, um, and I'm sure it won't be the first time, but we're gonna try to do, but once you know, every two years isn't too bad.
Speaker 1:It's actually we're in our third year, so you know, whatever, I guess, go watch a movie or something. Yeah, watch a movie and think about us, because that's what we do for you guys. Okay, okay, we watch movies and think about random strangers. Yes, but yeah, I guess we'll just go straight into the episode. Maybe I should kick it off with, like a Mrs Doubtfire, hello, hello and welcome to the we Recommend podcast, a movie podcast, where every week we recommend a movie for you to watch and then come back here and listen to us discuss. I'm Jesse, I'm Jason, you can practically see it from here. What Home? Because this week we recommend Dunkirk.
Speaker 2:It's really funny that you opened up with this downfire. I've been doing that laugh for the past three or four days or that hello really a lot like, at least once or twice a day it's, it's been on my mind.
Speaker 1:I even like talked about it recently with my mom. It's like I brought up the and then I was like natalie loves the movie. Um, I've actually never been like the biggest fan of mrs down, not either, but but it's still good lately.
Speaker 1:In my mind it's like that movie, kind of rips drop by fruiting. I mean, come on, but that's not what we're here to discuss. We're here to discuss dunkirk, baby. So what do you think about dunkirk? That was amazing, is it dude? This might be one of my favorite. This is my favorite nolan movie. This might be one of my favorite. It's my favorite Nolan movie. It's not even one of my favorite war movies in general.
Speaker 2:I think so too, and Christopher Nolan did such an amazing job of telling a story like a war story without having you don't have to have blood and guts.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and like, honestly, you don't even really have to have that big of a narrative, or even like actors talking. Yeah, it's like, ah, people are gonna talk, we'll let kenneth brenna do it, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Is that the sound designer?
Speaker 1:that's the uh that's the guy that's on the mole, the doc? Oh yeah, he's a uh captain or whatever he is yeah, he stays at the end. Navy, yeah, uh, who's? He's just like this. I don't know this anchor of the movie where it's like when you cut back to him, it's like if he's not worried, we shouldn't be worried. If he's worried, we're worried type of guys.
Speaker 2:That's true. Yeah, I feel like a lot of the story is just told through sound and and face beautiful pictures.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, well, yeah, other than the actors, I guess it's like because they don't even talk much, but just like seeing their faces and just being scared like cillian murphy on the boat, it's just like you feel so bad for him.
Speaker 1:It's like ah ah, yeah, and it's like, even though there's not a lot of talking, like multiple times this movie, I'm like I'm gonna cry, I'm gonna yeah, like just seeing tom hardy fly over and everybody cheering or the boats coming into shore and it was just like I got chills. Now it's just beautifully put together and I like that it's so. It's not chronological or it doesn't feel chronological, it's like, and it seems like it should be confusing, but he put it together in such a beautiful way where I'm like I get when this is all taking place, because we're cutting between three narratives. They're all interconnected. You have the mole thing. That's where you got, like Tommy and Alex and Gibson, they're running around it's a fun name for a pile of rocks.
Speaker 1:Yeah right, and that's covering one whole week that they're on the beach. So from the start, when we're following that guy trying to poop, like that's like day one of a week and it's crazy because it doesn't feel like a week day. I guess it takes 19 hours to get from from france to england across the channel, yeah, across the channel.
Speaker 1:And then you got tom hardy in the air cover and that just covers one hour and it's like it feels like in the hands of any other director, because I I, you know, I love christopher nolan. I like all his movies, but the more I watch his movies, the more I'm like. It's actually not as good as the first time I saw it. This is the only movie where I'm like. Every time I watch it I'm like this man's a genius, but it's just. It's lean, it's mean, but also not me. It's very nice and it's just. He doesn't really do short movies, so it's nice to have a movie under this amount of time and it's just like, hey, man, you don't have to have the biggest shit constantly or huge I don't know run times all the time. It's just great, I just. But I don't know, I just love how emotional this movie is.
Speaker 2:It's so great. You captured like this moment. You captured soldiers in a way like you don't often get to see them in movies yeah, it's not like saving private ryan, where it's a group of heroes gonna do something. These guys are just tired of fighting and they want to go.
Speaker 2:They want to go home so bad there's they want to go home so bad they're standing in lines for boats that aren't there. Yeah, I've been there. Yeah, like not in that exact situation, but you a lot of things you do in the military just it's just waiting, you wait and you wait and you wait, but they're so they wouldn't even move for the tide because it's just like people out in the water waiting in line, just standing.
Speaker 1:I mean to the point where they don't. They just they want to be so close to the shore to get on the boat. They'll sleep in the water, yeah, which is terrifying, yeah.
Speaker 2:That's a lot of.
Speaker 1:God, terrifying movie? Yeah, it is. You're just sitting there. There's nothing you can do to fight back against any minute a plane can come over. Yeah, you just hear them dive bombing like we're like, oh no, what do we do?
Speaker 2:I don't know, just run in our direction. I like that one guy was just shooting at it. I was like, yeah, might as well there's a bunch of you.
Speaker 1:It's like, hey, there's a lot, one bullet's got to hit eventually, right?
Speaker 2:yeah, 300 000 soldiers fire at the same plane at the same time.
Speaker 1:You're probably gonna hit it, yeah, you figure that would be like you see all the guns on the sides and it's like pick them up, yeah, but like all these guys.
Speaker 2:They're just done like that. One guy just throws down his rifle and walks into the water to drown. Yeah, he's like. You know what?
Speaker 1:we're not making it, I'm done and it sucks because, man, if you just waited, and that's kind of the, and nobody stopped him. Yeah, everybody's like look, we would if we had the guts right.
Speaker 2:If I gave a shit, I would. Yeah, it's just like.
Speaker 1:I just once you lose hope. That's all you can do, I guess. Right, it's like you're either gonna die gut-wrenching, like you're gonna have both your legs blown off and bleed out, or just go drown peacefully, if that's possible.
Speaker 2:You've got, like the Germans, coming in from the beach side and from the city, yeah, and from the sky and from the water, yeah, it's like ah they're underneath the damn water.
Speaker 1:You didn't even know they're there. Yes, it's like ah, it's terrifying, it's great. I would just like. When I see all the people on the, I guess I don't know if the pier is called the mole. That's what I assumed they called the pier the mole.
Speaker 2:I should just look it up what it is. It looks like it's just a pier that kind of keeps the waves from going into that one area. That goes inland, yeah, Boats can get in and out. Maybe that's what it means.
Speaker 1:I just hate to be there's just a plane coming in there. Everybody's like they're just looking, they're not even running.
Speaker 2:It's like well, we're all going to.
Speaker 1:We're going to get trampled if we run.
Speaker 2:So we don't want to lose place in line. Exactly Nobody wants to get out of line.
Speaker 1:Wild and I love that. Tom Hardy's like Chris. Tom Hardy's like I'm assuming Christopher Nolan came to Tom Hardy. He's like you want to be in my movie. It's like I got a few like maybe potential characters you could play. He's like which one has their face covered the most. He's like oh, the fighter, what you mean? I only have to show my face for five seconds, I'm in. The guy does a lot with his eyes. Tom Hardy, I mean just between just thinking about movies where he constantly is covering his face or looking completely weird, between Bane and this.
Speaker 2:There's that one scene where he he's thinking about like how much fuel he's got and should he take out this, like go after this plane, it'll save, like everybody. Yeah, that was awesome.
Speaker 1:It was all eyes. This is eyes. You get to see everything he was thinking and it's like God. This guy has such intense eyes. I'd hate to make love to him. He's like alright, your eyes are intense calm it down a little bit, alright, well, you hear that Tom Jesse's out, I'm out.
Speaker 1:So something I like about it tells well, we kind of already went to it, but because it's kind of a different type of World War II movie that we're not used to seeing, but I just love that. It's like a long stream of scenes of the good guys constantly failing Right, except for Tom Hardy. He does a pretty good job. Well, except Tom Hardy. He wins pretty hard. But I mean just like usually when you see like soldiers, right, it's like we have to fucking be the best.
Speaker 2:They're pitching the flag on top of the hill, yeah.
Speaker 1:But in this it's just like the youngest fucking actors you could find, just constantly running away to not die, and it's like you don't really see that that often. It kind of makes me want to read, like about World War II, some more to to find out why they were what was going on before this it's like one of the better, I guess, movies that put along with this was, uh, all choir on the western front right, oh yeah, that was, I've only watched the old one.
Speaker 1:I haven't watched any of the newer ones, but like it's just oh, yeah, there's like a 1940s or 50s or 60s version or something like that. I remember watching english class and I was like oh, it's gonna be such a boring movie. Then I watched it in class and I was like holy shit. And it ends with this guy like like you know, he's just been through hell and he's on the western front or whatever, and like there's, you know, it's barren wasteland, and there's just like one dead tree and here's a bird and he's like he was an artist and so and like movie. People are like keep your helmet on and stuff like that. But it's very into the movie. And he sees this Sorry, spoilers for the old version.
Speaker 1:It's the very first version. It's so good. But he sees this bird laying on this tree and he gets so excited. He goes to like draw it and he takes off his helmet so he could see it. Oh, does he get shot in the face? Oh man, that see it. Oh, does he get shot in the face? Oh man, that sucks. Oh, and it was.
Speaker 1:It was one of the uh, I don't know, it was just like one of the best movies I ever saw in school I was like, wow, they showed us like good movies we never heard of and said usually, if it was a movie you never heard of, it's the most boring as maybe you could possibly find about something.
Speaker 2:But I don't know, I got to see the rome Juliet and the. Is it the Leo one? Yeah, yeah, yeah, the Leo one.
Speaker 1:That was pretty good. We didn't get to watch that one. We watched a very boring version.
Speaker 2:We watched the old one too. The teacher had to cover up the girl's boobs.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, so like it's just in every school. Yeah, she just held a little big of a screen Like we're not going to peek around you.
Speaker 2:Ours was cool. Oh, she was so hot. She was like fit in her 50s but she had the greatest legs yeah, the greatest getaway sticks I've ever seen.
Speaker 1:You're just like yes keep blocking the TV um, just uh, before getting smacks, what's your favorite or two movie? I think this one might be now, although that's exactly what I wanted to hear yeah, I mean it was great like um, what's the?
Speaker 2:the tv show, the band of brothers that was.
Speaker 1:I've never seen that I need to.
Speaker 2:It's got every actor ever in it yeah, I mean some, some of it's all, some of the actors aren't that great, but like uh, it's a really good show. Yeah, but this is incredible.
Speaker 1:Another movie that's kind of similar to this, just because it's kind of almost kind of poetic, and I feel like this movie is very kind of. Christopher Nolan's a very poetic director. It's like as much as his movies cannot make sense, but you usually get the feeling of what he's trying to get you to go through Just by the way he puts music and scenes together, which is something that a movie called the Thin Red Line. Have you ever seen it?
Speaker 2:It's a long time ago.
Speaker 1:Very poetic movie type it's directed by Terrence.
Speaker 1:Malick, who I don't know. Maybe one day we'll do Terrence Malick and we can kind of dive a little deeper on him. But he's like a guy that will get every actor possible in the movie and then film 50 hours worth of scenes with your character and then not show him once. Oh damn, because he just like oh, I want to film this over here. I want to film this over here now. I want to film this over here. I think Adam Brody's in this movie and he's in it for like maybe like two or three minutes and he's like we filmed so much stuff with me. But it's a movie that has Jim Caviezel, sean Penn, nick Nolte, adrian Brody, george Clooney, john Cusack, woody Harrelson and even more. It's a great movie, all right. Well, let's hop into some facts real quick. So let's see, let's see. So I guess the idea for Christopher Nolan for this movie he's had in his head since like 1992. Because he sailed to Dunkirk with his then girlfriend and decided to make a movie about the operation Fuck yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'd like to go there. It looks nice. I mean you have the beach and stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh man, whenever, like he's getting chased by the Germans in the streets of France right, yeah, that was cool. And then he'd like, you know, it just looks like everything's desolate, things are getting shot out. He goes past all these sandbags and he goes out this nice, beautiful little beach. So the premiere was attended by actual Dunkirk survivors Damn, I guess there was 30 survivors that went. And when they asked about its realism, they said that Christopher Nolan's movie accurately depicted the events of the evacuation but added that Hans Zimmer's score was louder than the actual military bombardment, which Nolan thought was amusing. So if you watch this I think I watched it in IMAX. I'm pretty sure I did Nolan's one of those IMAX guys. I would love to see this.
Speaker 1:He films everything with a 70 millimeter camera, which is a huge film stock for IMAX. Thing is it's really loud so you have to overdub it. And Nolan loves his score. The camera is loud, yeah, oh, um. But I remember watching it. I was like Jesus I can't hear what anybody's saying because the music and score so out, and it it really was. So it's very funny that they're like damn dude, bombs were louder in this. Um, I mean, I guess Nolan wanted to make this without a script.
Speaker 1:At first he just wanted to put cameras in places and just have everybody ad-lib everything and just tell them kind of a scene direction. Be like, all right, you're doing this, now do it, and just ad-lib your lines and stuff. But he eventually decided that he'd have like a script, and I guess it was only 76 pages long, which is very short, because usually you dedicate a minute for every page of a script, essentially. So, yeah, um, let's see. So, um, what's big about this movie is that it's kind of a ticking clock. You gotta hurry up and get off this beach before all the germans get there right.
Speaker 1:So if you really pay attention to the score, there's a constant ticking clock. Oh, that's terrifying, yeah, and it finally goes away once ever. They get on the train, which is beautiful, but it's actually Christopher Nolan's own pocket watch that they use for the ticking clock. Isn't that fun? That is kind of fun.
Speaker 2:Do you think it's like one of those gold ones that flip open?
Speaker 1:Has to be. Let's see, let's see. So yeah, christopher Nolan. He cast unknown actors to show how young soldiers were back in the day. So when Christopher Nolan first was first researching the evacuation of Dunkirk, what stood out to him was how young and inexperienced the soldiers on the beaches were. So he decided to cast young, unknown actors in the beach sequences. Older, more experienced troops were played by Celia Murphy, tom Hardy, but on the beaches actors like the own white head were used to show that soldiers being evacuated were just kids.
Speaker 2:Yeah, something that we you often forget about it. Yeah, because it's just like they're all just kids.
Speaker 1:So I was scared kids um. In the sequence where the spitfire ditches into the English Channel, it's the blonde boy that's in the plane, when he kind of does a little landing, yeah, and it lands into the water.
Speaker 1:So they put an IMAX camera was strapped into the cockpit to film Collins, played by Jack Loden, trying to get out. However, during filming, the plane with the camera still inside sank quicker than predicted. Oh shit, it took so long to retrieve the plane that the IMAX camera housing filled with water, potentially ruining the expensive camera and the film inside that sucks. Cinematographer Huita Van Wait I'm never saying that name again Used an old movie technique of keeping the film wet and shipped it back to Los Angeles getting it processed before it dried out. The take from the scene is in the movie. Damn, so when he's in it it's like what? That's cool.
Speaker 2:How's that even?
Speaker 1:fucking possible. And, like I said earlier, the clock in the soundtrack doesn't stop ticking during the whole movie until Alex and Tommy are sitting safely on the train, all right. So Mark Rylance's character he's the guy on the boat that has, like, the two young boys yeah, the two young boys. And so Dawson is closely based on Charles Light Troller. He was a second officer of the RMS Titanic.
Speaker 2:He was on the Titanic.
Speaker 1:This character was who took his yacht Sundowner to Dunkirk at the age of 66. Like Light Roller, dawson refuses to let Navy crew his boat. He says if anyone takes her, it will be me, and takes one of his sons with him. Like light troller, dawson had lost a son in the royal air force. Um, and it's essentially the same story that he says he died in war and everything. Um, who taught him how to evade air attack? Also like light troller, he packs the boat so full uh for soot in the bathtub apparently that the disembarkation officer couldn't believe over 55 men were aboard it. Um, light roller managed to pack 130 men aboard the sundown yeah, that's awesome, dude that seemed so good and it's like that part it's all culminating.
Speaker 1:It's like everybody's covered in oil. You're like, did our main? Characters get please. And then it ends up being the last guy being drugged. Please stop for a second and I guess Christopher Nolan said this is his most experimental film he's ever made, and he didn't say it was an experimental film till after he filmed it and he told the producers that yeah, why wouldn't he tell them?
Speaker 2:Does it scare them?
Speaker 1:Yeah, pretty pretty much, I guess and how did he experiment?
Speaker 2:what do you think that means?
Speaker 1:oh, I think it's just because, I mean, he didn't want a script and all that stuff like that, and it was just, I don't know, to put a war movie in this type of framing. It's kind of crazy. I feel like it's not a very general audience movie, even though it's kind of crazy. I feel like it's not a very general audience movie, even though it's, you know, made a buttload of movie money because of it.
Speaker 1:this will be the last one, all right. So according to sir christopher nolan because he is knighted uh, the original ending was supposed to be shot of the burning spitfire on the beach. Nolan changed his mind after watching dailies of fionn whitehead. Um, in an interview with his brother, jonathan, he said at the end um, fionn whitehead just did this thing where he just I don't even know what he's doing. But you want to end with this quiet moment with him where no one's paying attention to him and alex is eating and drinking stuff.
Speaker 1:The girls of handing him through the window brings you back to this personal moment. He's trying to process the words he just read from this very eloquent politician and trying to reconcile what the experience is. Hopefully the audience is trying to do the same thing through his eyes. So it comes back to the very small thing, which is true when it just kind of cuts to him and he just like looks up and it's like fuck and plus, this is, you know, one of the greatest speeches he just read, one of the greatest speeches to ever be put.
Speaker 1:I remember doing a speech over that speech. Yeah, that's awesome, I loved it. It's like one of the best Fight on the beaches, like God damn Churchill fucking nails it. But yeah, I was. When the ending was rolling I was like, oh yeah, that's right. I don't think it like ends on the burning plane as well. That might've been poetic, but I don't know. I just like that. He just kind of looks up and he's like, but it was kind of poetic Cause he he got captured by the Germans after saving everybody's life, and it's like I wonder wonder if you think he died after he got caught by the Germans.
Speaker 1:I'm sure they weren't very nice to prisoner of war back then, right Germany.
Speaker 2:I don't think so, I don't know. Probably yeah, they probably weren't that great to him.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, so let's hop into the plot, man, and, as before we go through, I'm just going to give you my rundown. After we do the plot, we do what's the point as in, what's the point of the movie, right? So think about that as we're going through the plot which I broke. I did differently this time because it was just going to be easier for my brain because you know so I broke it down into the three narratives.
Speaker 1:So the first one will be the mole, and then we'll go into the sea and then we'll do the air. The air is much shorter, obviously. Just I just kind of did it the longest part and then went shorter as we went. Gotcha At first we'll be talking about the mall.
Speaker 1:So we get an introductory text that says In 1940, after the invasion of France by Nazi Germany, hundreds of thousands of Allied soldiers retreated to the seaside town of Dunkirk. As the Allied perimeter shrinks and German forces close in, the soldiers await evacuation in a seemingly hopeless situation. This is where, and like all this is happening. As you see, like the like five soldiers just walk through and you're like, oh, this is going to be like our little band of brothers here we're going to be with them. The whole movie See Ping ping ping, cool Toilet paper raining from the sky. Oh, it was propaganda, yeah.
Speaker 1:And he was like, goes to try to use the bathroom, grabs the flyers to use, and then he's like can't even poop yet. And then you're like, oh, everybody's going to run away. But then you see everybody kind of get picked off and it's like fuck. But like man, the flyers flying down and like that perfect shot of them walking down a little corridor, oh, amazing. And then so we cut to the mole on land. Tommy, young British private, is the sole survivor of a section after an ambush by unseen German soldiers in the streets of Dunkirk, and I love like him whenever he's about to get to the beach. You just get shot at by his own men, essentially Well, I guess they're Frenchmen. He pops out in the alley and they're like shit.
Speaker 1:He's like English and then he walks by them. They're like bon voyage or whatever, and I just love that all the. It just looked like some grizzled Frenchman, just like this little boy. Get out of here.
Speaker 2:They're probably pissed that everybody's leaving.
Speaker 1:They're going, boys leaving yeah we're gonna have to take on all the germans I'm so happy that I have to sit here and hold this and most likely die, um, but he makes it to the beach where he finds british and allied troops awaiting evacuation. Yeah, just standing in line, man, that's something I was gonna bring up here. Oh, it's just like I'd be so antsy, I'd be like just shaking, like please, I'll just swim, I'll swim.
Speaker 2:You can hear like the gunfire all around you and shit, you're just like how hopeless that must have felt I know, because you never know.
Speaker 1:It's like, oh, you hear the gunfire fire behind you. It's like, man, I hope we can hold off. Still, you never know when it's just gonna be like, damn, they didn't hold any longer and it's over. Um, so while trying to poop again, he meets gibson, another young soldier who appears to be bearing a comrade after a german's. Uh, um, yeah. So yeah, he finds the well, the guy's foot sticking out of the yeah, and he's like, oh, he's bearing his friend. But it's like, obviously, no, he's not, he's not trying to do that. And so they're just kind of walking around. And then, uh, there's tommy standing in line, and they're just kind of walking around. And then Tommy's standing in line and they're like this ain't your line. He's like I don't know what we're talking about. And then all of a sudden you just hear, and it gets louder, and everybody's like what?
Speaker 2:Everybody jumps on the ground.
Speaker 1:It's a German Stuck-Up dive bomber and they attack and Tommy's almost blown up. You see him be like bomber and they attack and tommy's almost blown up, seeing me like like jump. Everybody's jumping on the ground covering their ears and head yeah, that's.
Speaker 2:That's one of the things that we still do in the army is like, uh, you jump on the ground, you cover your ears, yeah, and you open your mouth a little bit oh really shockwave. You've got your teeth clenched. It will shatter your teeth, shit.
Speaker 1:So you're like I'm so glad you told me just in case we ever get bombed here in america. I'd be like natalie, open your mouth. Like this is not the time, um, but yeah, just like, whenever you just see them, it's a side shot of them and you see the plane coming and then like and then the explosion is like it's gonna kill tommy tommy's. Like no, it won't and it doesn't, it's got a plot. Armor yeah, it's so good, though it's like, uh, I would have won't. And it doesn't. It's got a plot. Armor yeah, it's so good, though it's like, oh, I would have seen that. I'd be like well, maybe I'll just run that way for a second and lose your place in the long run.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's true. So but then we see Tommy and Gibson and they're like, oh, they see a bunch of stretchers being like taken and they're like, hell, yeah, this is our chance. So they run and they go find someone to pick up on a stretcher. So they're trying to rush his stretcher up to the front of the queue and onto the ship, hoping to evacuate with the wounded, but are denied passes themselves when they finally get there. And I just love this whole sequence of them trying to hurry up and run. There's so many obstacles they got to go over, like the hole in the yeah.
Speaker 1:And it's like just this pier just like stuffed with soldiers and they're like bumping into them. And there is this little section where they had to put a board so they can walk on. And then they're like come on, this is the only way you have to do it. And then when they run across, they make it across and everybody's like, yeah, we have one victory. It's so good. But then they get to the boat and they're like they get on and they're like, hey, wounded, only get the fuck off this boat it's like but we're on yeah, there's room.
Speaker 2:I do like how he jumped underneath the the pier. Yeah, because, like, like, sneak onto it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're like we are getting on a ship. We're hiding under here till we can. So they get underneath the mole. Uh, hoping he sneak on board the next vessel. Good thing they didn't get on the vessel with all the injured, because it does not last long. Oh, that sucks. It's so hopeless. Yeah, it's just like. Why even try so? And then we meet commander bolton, played by kenneth brana. Oh yeah, he's great, he's so good whenever I see him in a movie.
Speaker 1:I'm like what a warm blanket. And Colonel Wynott I guess I don't know. They're reviewing the situation. They say Prime Minister Winston Churchill has said that he will not be seeking peace and has committed to evacuating 30,000 soldiers. They're like 30,000? We got like 400,000 men here. What are you talking about? 30,000. It's like, if that's the case, we needed to tell them to pick up their guns and go back into the city.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying. Like it's like fight off the Germans.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like just do your best If you die, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:They still would have died, though. Yeah, for real At that point.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then I love that. This is where you get the line. You can practically see it from here. What Home it's like, it's just across the channel.
Speaker 2:It's right there, I see it.
Speaker 1:Oh, where's my? Fish and chips Tired of baguettes, yeah, so, furthermore, the Navy has decided to not use large capital ships in the evacuation in order to preserve them to defend against the anticipated invasion of Britain, and has also decided not to evacuate French soldiers. To maximize space In order to evacuate more men, the Navy has requisitioned smaller civilian vessels that can sail up closer to the beach Like bro. I don't know about that. If I was one of those people I'd be like ah, and I guess if you're older it's just like hey.
Speaker 2:At least that one guy seemed pretty cool about it. He knew his business.
Speaker 1:They all seemed like great and very like oi guys, we brought our tea and crumpets.
Speaker 2:We're all here.
Speaker 1:We're all happy. Earl Grey, yeah, so we got Tommy and Gibson. They're waiting to sneak aboard of the next ship, but the wounded ship is attacked as it departs. In the chaos, they save another soldier, alex, from being crushed as it sinks. Um, and that's something I never thought about in movies. Like this shit, a boat sinks and it's full of people, and it's full of people and they're all getting out, but the ship is crushing some of the people. It's like I never thought of that I never knew.
Speaker 1:I was terrified of that situation. And now, if I ever get on a boat, that's what I'm terrified of now. Yeah well, I just watched the poop cruise show. Yeah.
Speaker 2:So that's also another fear. Yeah, oh, dude for real tips over uh, I haven't seen it.
Speaker 1:Oh man, I gotta watch it, maybe tonight. It's only like 40 minutes, right? Yeah, it's a good little one. Um, it's so gross. But it's just like and this was the point of the movie where I'm like it's so crazy how everyone's just waiting in a war zone and everything's taking so long. And I don't even mean that like it's so crazy how everyone's just waiting in a war zone and everything's taking so long. And I don't even mean that like, oh, it's taking long for boats to get there. They fill up the boats, but they just sit there and it's like go guys, are you just going to sit here all day? You're filled up. You got all these soldiers, like I'm sure in their heads are like we could just overpower everybody on this boat, right? Like if we have to just get on ourselves and push it out, just push it out.
Speaker 2:It's like they just keep waiting.
Speaker 1:I'm like the boats filled. I don't care. If everybody's not sitting down, go it's stressful.
Speaker 2:Working on a big boat is tough, I guess. Yeah, I'm trying to get something that huge to move safely? Yeah, it's tough, I guess. Yeah for sure, trying to get something that huge to move safely.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you got to forget about safety. It's like crap. I put it in reverse no.
Speaker 2:Leave all the ropes tied on and take the mole with you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, everybody's just like actually this works, just go, just hold on to it. So they're going to embark on another departing ship that night, um, but, and I can't, how did they get on this ship? Oh wait, yeah, because they were on the injured ship and they're like, oh, you guys were on that and uh, they see that. Um, they're gonna like have alex, who's harry styles um character. He's like hey, come on, you're a part of that ship, we got another ship for you. And so the other two guys, uh, tommy and gibson, they ducked their head in water to act like they were in it.
Speaker 1:And so it's like, hey, we got a boat now, so they go to get on this boat. Oh, great scene. Because they're all getting in there and you see Gibson, he stays on the outside. And it's like, why is he doing that? And it's like, oh well, he's definitely not a British shoulder then, obviously which that's what I thought the first time I watched it.
Speaker 2:I was like, oh, I just thought he just didn't want to be stuck inside. I don't want to be around a thousand people, yeah.
Speaker 1:Crammed against the wall or something. Oh well, and then, like we'll learn soon, and like when they said it, I was like oh shit, gibson's smart. He doesn't want to be. He wants to be close to an exit because he doesn't want to be stuck inside of a ship.
Speaker 1:I love it. And you just have like Tommy and Alex walking around. They're eating their like bread with jelly on it and stuff and they grab like a bunch of them. It's like the hot dog eating contest that you see. And then Alex is like what is he doing? He's like he doesn't want to be stuck by an exit.
Speaker 2:And then they start creeping closer to the door just in case something happens and I'm like man, that's some shit, I would do. I do that now.
Speaker 1:Stay out in the open, yeah, but sadly this boat is hit by a torpedo. Fuck, fuck from a U-boat. But Gibson as in, oh, it's fucking crazy, right, because immediate water is just coming in, everybody's completely sunken underneath inside, there, you can't get out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you can't see anything.
Speaker 1:It's dark. There's people like kicking and stepping on you, I'm sure trying to like kicking in the face trying to swim away. But luckily Gibson, who does not get enough fucking Jelly toast, gets no jelly toast and they want to like kill him later in the movie. It's like fuck you guys. I know they don't know he saved him, but it's just like damn it. Um, but yeah, so gibson, he opens the door and allows a few soldiers to get out.
Speaker 2:Luckily, tommy and alex, get out our main characters in the movie.
Speaker 1:Um, these guys are slippery, yeah, and I love that. Whenever they make it out, I believe alex gets on like a rescue boat, like the little you know. Uh, what do they call it? Yeah, rescue boats, right.
Speaker 2:The boats that are on the side the, the lifeboat. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Lifeboats, that's what I'm meaning. And you got Tommy and Gibson out and they're like trying to get on the boat. But then Alex, and then you see Cillian Murphy who at this point of the movie already as like a shell shocked soldier on the other boat and he's like you guys can't get in, come on, we've already tipped this thing twice. And then I think it was like Alex, he's like here, take this rope, and they just kind of hold on to the rope and follow the boat and I'm like smart fun, Love it.
Speaker 1:Good for them, yeah.
Speaker 2:Not leaving other people to talk.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, man Just being inside that boat when it gets hit, I just never thought it's just something you don't think about right, just like. Oh shit, when a boat gets hit, everybody's stuck inside. This is not fun. Work, kind of sucks Work does kind of suck. So Alex, tommy and Gibson make it back to the shore and sleep in the ocean water. We see other soldiers trying to take, like the rescue boats, into the water, but the water's too choppy, yeah, they can't push it out. That's some shit. I would have tried.
Speaker 2:You just like why don't they just row I?
Speaker 1:don't know why, they couldn't even get in it. It just kept tipping because the tide's coming back in. And then the tides coming back in, and then we also see a man just walking to the water killing himself like damn fuck, hey, you know what time for a swim. You did your duty and he had a gun, I guess it's better than shooting yourself.
Speaker 2:I don't know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, maybe he wanted to swim maybe that's what he was actually doing trying to swim. Yeah, he's like fuck waiting on a boat. It'd be like 48 hours of swimming across that People swim the English Channel.
Speaker 2:Sometimes I think they're athletes, but like they do In full like wool clothing.
Speaker 1:That was something I constantly kept thinking about. I'm like guys, take off your clothes, Not in like a sexual way. Just like your, those clothes look heavy. Take off all those sinkies. It's like oh man, they're all going to have athlete's foot after this. Their feet have just been soaking wet for an hour, like a week straight, Just in wet boots.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So it's the next day Jungle run and Alex, tommy and Gibson join a group of Scottish soldiers that have located a grounded Highlanders.
Speaker 2:They all had swords. Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 1:They located a grounded fishing trawler in the intertidal zone outside of the Allied perimeter. They all go and hide in it, hoping to use it to evacuate when the tide rises. And then we see them all. They're all just like in there, quiet, and then all of a sudden there's like somebody getting on the boat and then like they drag them in there and they're like I'm Dutch, but yeah, so it was a Dutch's mariner who answered Britain's call for civilian evacuation. He returns and explains that he left the boat to wait for the rising tide. I'm sure he's just like I'm just going to hide out here. Oh hey, if a boat's full of people. And then it's also one of those things where I'm like, yeah, you kind of missed it. They're all over there. Guy, you're in the German area here, it's a bad place to stay. So, but soon after German troops start to shoot the boat for target practice, it's like fuck why, out of all boats, out of?
Speaker 2:all, it was the only boat on the beach. Yeah, it's just like go shoot a can.
Speaker 1:Shoot something easy, unaware of the soldiers sheltering inside when the tide rises. The bullet holes in the holes make it difficult to keep the boat afloat, seeking to reduce their weight. Alex accuses Gibson, who has remained silent throughout the film, of being a German spy and demanded that he be put off. He's just like Tommy's. Like dude, can you talk please?
Speaker 2:I'm trying to save your life here.
Speaker 1:Something, Because everybody immediately turns on Gibson. They're all like we'll kill you if we have to.
Speaker 2:And it was really funny when he tells that one guy to go up and look. Yeah, he's like nah, yeah.
Speaker 1:He's like I'm not going to do it, no thanks. And then fucking Gibson's's one that does it and they're like we're ready to kick them off the boat and it's like bros, but yeah. And so Tommy defends him. But Gibson reveals that he is French, had stolen the identity, identity of the soldier whom he had been burying, hoping to evacuate with the British, and like they're all calling him a coward and just like dude, he helped you guys escape that boat. You don't even understand.
Speaker 2:It's also fucked up because he's just as scared as they are. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And then Tommy says like hey, this isn't even going to be enough weight to keep us up. And he's like you better hope so, because you're next. He's like what did I do? He's like you better hope so because you're next. He's like what did I do? It's like you defended him and he like looks at alex and he's like this is just how it is. Man like I'm sorry, we're trying to survive.
Speaker 2:You two are getting off and how do you like plug up the holes, like my mind immediately went to uh, just that video game right here on the seat and you plug cfds.
Speaker 1:Cfds, yeah, where you put the, put the boards on it. What do they use?
Speaker 1:yeah, right they're just ready to like go like 19 hours of just putting their fingers in these holes which, hey, at that point I'll lose a finger in the water, I don't care. Um. So they all start fighting, and but the fight rocks the boat upright and the seaman is able to start the engine. However, they are unable to get very far before it starts to sink and the men abandon ship, except for Gibson, who becomes tangled in a chain and drowns. Sucks, fuck. So many times in my notes, I just put fuck, everything sucks. Here's the thing, though, and it's just like it's him, it's Gibson and Alex last on the boat, and Alex is putting his hand. It's like it's Gibson and Alex last on the boat and Alex is putting his hand. It's like, come on, man, we got to get off, and I was like, after even just being like you're getting off and you're going to kill you, he's still like all right, come on, let's go, gibson.
Speaker 2:And it's like he's still a part of them, and it's just like they would have let him keep coming with them probably, except maybe one of those Scottish people would have probably said something. It's like the third boat that they've tried to get on that sank.
Speaker 1:It's like sucks for Gibson. It's like I don't know, I mean, how do you feel in that situation, especially being a former soldier? It's like I mean, I just feel like you probably just been like look, he died, take his thing and let's get out of here, right, I mean, I feel like there's a lot of differences between the way that this war was fought and the way we fight wars now. Yeah.
Speaker 2:It's like you definitely saw a lot more death like these kids had. Yeah for sure.
Speaker 1:Like all that frontline shit Like that, never really took part in anything Like if you found out that, like you're trying to escape the situation and then just like a regular civilian, just like took the clothes of another soldier that had died, I mean you buried him, he was proper. Just like took the clothes of another soldier that had died, I mean he buried him, he was proper. He at least was nice enough to bury him.
Speaker 1:But like would you be like you shouldn't have done that, or would you have been like it's all fair in war?
Speaker 2:I don't know, I think you have to say something because you don't know that person. Yeah, and if they're cosplaying as a soldier, you know that's kind of scary and it's something you have to look out for, because in Afghanistan, when we give our laundry to some locals to do it on the base and they would wash our clothes, but they were also taking pieces from from uniforms and sewing up new uniforms so people could sneak into the bigger base nearby holy shit.
Speaker 2:People would just get into a vehicle and drop off with it, really, and they would let them like, because the people at the gates were like I don't fucking care, just go, just get you know. Like not doing their jobs correctly. Yeah, so millions of dollars in equipment is just stolen constantly by these people there with the uniforms, shit. So that's definitely something you have to look out for, wow.
Speaker 1:Well little did you know, guys, that this happens all the time? Wow, that's insane, bro. Wow, I did not expect that I'm throwing off here.
Speaker 1:Well, anyways so, alex and Tommy, they swim for a nearby minesweeper, but this is sunk by a bomber. They are narrowly rescued from a burning oil slick after being taken aboard, mr Dawson, on the Moonstone. So this is, you know, in the sea. We see all this Back on the beach. We see Commander Bolton watches the last British soldiers leave. They're all like yeah, we did it. He confirms that 300,000 have have been evacuated 10 times the most positive initial estimate. He stays behind the over to oversee the evacuation of the french guard. Um, uh, yeah, so like, and they just kind of. The boat, the guy who's talking to just kind of like goes off and he's like I'm a goddamn hero i'm'm staying for the French yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't think he made it, though, right, I don't think he probably did? Did the French make it?
Speaker 1:Because I don't. I don't really know the full story of Dunkirk. I don't either. I'd assume probably not, right? Yeah, it seems like he wasn't going to make it. Yeah, it doesn't seem like it. They seem to be struggling. I, they seem to be struggling. I mean, they're surrounded completely. They were just in this tiny territory. I just don't think the French probably would have made it.
Speaker 2:A Navy man with no boat? An admiral with no fleet? What they don't know?
Speaker 1:is I'm the best swimmer in the world, I know Aquaman. So then we're back with Tommy and Alex after they finally got on to the. So we'll go back to whenever they get out of the one boat and they just kind of get stuck in this oil spill because they're swimming to the boat that we've seen throughout the movie a couple times being attacked and like we're finally at it from their perspective and we already know that there's oil everywhere and we've already seen like the overhead shot of them crawling out of the boat.
Speaker 1:It's just this fucking movie dude, it's so good. And they're trying to get to that one boat and that boat's starting to tip and they're like God dang it.
Speaker 2:They got to turn around.
Speaker 1:Swim back. And then they're finally getting on Rylance's boat and this is where we see Alex get on first and he's like he's getting down to where the kid died. He's like pushing him. The one guy's like hey, don't touch him, he's like he's dead bro. It's like touch him gently, then pushes him over. And then we see Tommy get into the boat. He's trying to get in the boat but it's like zooming off and he's like underneath the water and finally pull him up and it's like they all made it. They're together. Tommy and Alex are together together and alex is just like they're gonna hate us over there. Yeah, like we're having to retreat. They're not gonna like us. So we see them. They're crossing the english channel and are placed on a train in waymouth. I'm assuming how you say that as the train enters, um, alex and tommy expect that their retreat will earn them public scorn. Instead, they receive a hero's welcome. It's like you have the part where they're just walking through. They got all these people giving them water and bread and shit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like handing stuff through the train windows.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then you got the blind guy giving them blankets and Alex thinks it's like he doesn't even, he couldn't even look us in the eye and he touches Tommy and Tommy's like man.
Speaker 2:He's blind. It's really cool to see just like the whole country like come together to try to protect each other. Yeah.
Speaker 1:That was really neat.
Speaker 2:It's nice.
Speaker 1:It's very inspiring. Yeah, it was very inspiring. We need this. This is a great movie for now. But yeah, so while in, and then they get on the train, they start to go and Alex is like they're going to hate us. And then they get a newspaper and while Alex and then all of a sudden, like these guys like hey, hey, it's like I can't even look at him Hands on beers, he's like they love us.
Speaker 1:And then Tommy starts reading the Churchill address of the nation from the newspaper. That was awesome and that's the end of their story. What's it like to have a like a good leader, like a leader that wants to bring everybody together. I don't know. It'd be pretty cool if we had one soon. It'd be cool if, like, just as like a country, we're all just like we fucking love us, dude, we love each other.
Speaker 2:This is so nice have someone respectable and like, good with words and like yeah, and just like fucking delivers a speech that doesn't have like the same word in it 5,000 times.
Speaker 1:You know, I don't know A touching speech. Yeah, it's just. Thank God we had the leaders we did during World War II, right? God we got so lucky we had some good leaders then. All right, let's cut to the sea. In Weymouth, the Royal Navy is commandeering private boats for the evacuation. Mr dawson, a civilian cooper, cooperates, but rather than let the navy crew take his boat, he and his son peter take out themselves their teenage hand, george, played by barry keogh. Um, our dirtiest little freak from uh, uh, killing of sacred deer, oh yeah. He impulsively joins them as they leave, hoping to do something noteworthy to compensate his poor performance in school. Hey guy, who cares what happens in school? Alright, you know what you may want to fail, so you can stay in school, so you don't have to go fight in this war, right, which I mean either way. This kid probably eventually dies because he'll eventually probably join the war and go on the front lines, right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I feel like a lot of people that couldn't get into the war really wanted to, even though there are a lot of people who had to go really didn't want to.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But it was kind of a national pride thing.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:So I could see like kids feeling that way yeah, like you need to do something dangerous to make up for their shortcomings. Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1:So, as they head towards Dunkirk, mr Dawson points out three Spitfires flying overhead and like the son was like oh no, there's planes. And he's like oh, don't worry, I know exactly what they are. And he's like how do you know? It's like I can hear that engine from anywhere.
Speaker 1:Yeah, hear that engine from anywhere. Yeah, and it's just like royce engine. Yeah, and mark rylance is such a good actor. Um, he's just kind of like he's been around forever and you just didn't really know him until like here recently where, like the best directors started putting him in movies like spielberg and things like that. Um, but he's so good in this movie. I love him. He's like a nice calming. It's like when you see him in a movie you're like he's in control.
Speaker 1:I can trust him I can trust him, except for a movie I'm gonna recommend a little later. It's like can we trust him? Can we not trust him? Um, so yeah, and they. They find and encounter a shell-shocked officer on a ship wrecked ship, the sole survivor of a u-boat attack, and take him aboard, cillian murphy. Uh, when he discovers that dawson is sailing for Dunkirk rather than to England, he begins to panic. Intimidated by the soldier, peter locks him below deck after they convince him to lay down.
Speaker 2:Hey, peter, yeah, what are you doing, man, bad move brother, making him panic even more?
Speaker 1:Yes, hey, no one wants to be locked in a tiny room after they got shot in a tiny room. So how do you think Celia Murphy did as a shell? It's such a hard word for me to shell shock, shell, shocked soldier.
Speaker 2:No, he was terrifying. Yeah, from moment one it's like you felt bad for him, but also at the same time you were like afraid to be around him. Yes, and. I think he did a really good job and he was really fucked about what he did to that kid I know, and it felt bad.
Speaker 1:It's just like he didn't. I mean, obviously he did not, he didn't even push him, he just was trying to, it's like, stop touching me I'm freaking out stop touching me. I'm on a tiny boat. I'm in the middle of water. I just had bombs explode around me like don't me.
Speaker 1:Wasn't he on the boat that got hit by the U-boat? Yeah, and then he got onto the rescue boat and they took him back. We don't really see what happened after they took him back. Right, I don't think so. I don't really know what led him to. I guess he got on another boat and was trying to go back and he got hit again, I'd assume. So, after escaping, the soldier tries to arrest control of the boat and in the scuffle, george falls, suffering a severe blow to the head. Peter treats George's wounds as best as he can, but his injury grows worse, causing him to go blind. And duty bound to the aid, the evacuation Dawson continues towards France.
Speaker 2:Oh, dude, it's like we got a job to do.
Speaker 1:It's like I can't see anything and it's like, oh no, no man, why'd you have to hit your head on metal? I know, baby.
Speaker 2:Proof this boat, because you don't think it, you don't. There's no blood or anything that you can see.
Speaker 1:Really yeah, because it blends in with his hair.
Speaker 2:There's just a little bit and you you're thinking like, oh, maybe he just kind of bumped his head and he just sleep it off for a minute yeah then when he says he can't see, it's like, oh shit, he's dead head injuries.
Speaker 1:Man, it's because you can see that there's like this, almost like a metal safe behind him and it's like fuck yeah, some kind of yeah something, I don't know what the fuck that thing was.
Speaker 1:So they um pipe. And then we see a spitfire ditch in the ocean and dawson sears for it in case the pilot Collins Does he see him get out? Well, they so. They see the Spitfire ditch into the ocean and Dawson sears for it in case the pilot Collins, who we've seen been seeing at this point flying alongside Tom Hardy, can be rescued. Despite not seeing a parachute, collins is trapped in a Spitfire by the jammed canopy. Terrifying. And it's great because when you see, when you're watching the air portion for a little bit, there's this part where you know he lands and we see it from Tom Hardy's perspective and we just see him waving, yeah, and we think, oh, he's safe.
Speaker 2:But then we see later he's trying to get out and it's so stressful I didn't notice that. So stressful.
Speaker 1:And also I love this because Mark Rylance just crushes it because Peter's like don't go over there, he's dead. We don't see him. He's not waving, he's not doing anything. He's like he might be Peter, for God's sake, he might be, let's help him. And it's just like oh yeah, let's go.
Speaker 2:Go to that plane God damn it Go to that.
Speaker 1:And then we see. So we see Collins. He's freaking out, he's got this flare gun trying to break out and he's like completely submerged in water at this point.
Speaker 2:It's like fuck, he's dead. At that point did you just shoot the flare gun up?
Speaker 1:It's like I guess I'll burn and drown. I don't know. That seems like the option, but luckily he's looking up and we see a paddle breaking open his canopy and he busts out surprised he didn't have like a quippy line yeah, right, in the nick of time, love yeah yeah so, um, after they pull Colin aboard, peter reveals that his elder brother was a hurricane pilot, killed in the opening weeks of the war.
Speaker 1:Um, they encounter a minesweeper. Turn transport reveals that his elder brother was a hurricane pilot, killed in the opening weeks of the war. They encounter a minesweeper-turned-transport-under-attack-from-a-hinkle-bomber. Those are fun. That's such a fun name. I know the Germans really knew how to name things.
Speaker 2:It was either the most sinister thing you've ever heard, but they are sinister at the same time as being hilarious.
Speaker 1:It's either the most sinister name for something or it's the most silly sounding name for something.
Speaker 2:But that's what I love about a lot of the way Germans, like Nazis and stuff, were portrayed in movies. Yeah, they're kind of silly, sinister in that weird way.
Speaker 1:It's like they had a silly march. They had everything. They're being led by an art major. Um, so yeah, they, so they. They see the minesweeper. It's dodging fire from the accompanying fighters. Uh, they maneuver to take on troops from the sinking ship which is spilling oil. They get clear just before the oil is ignited by a bomber which has been shot down. Dawson and his crew pull as many survivors aboard as they can, among them Alex and Tommy.
Speaker 2:Oh, that one dude waiting underneath the fire. Yeah, Just waiting trying not to burn. And then he immediately starts burning and it's like did not know, I was scared of that situation.
Speaker 1:You should have swam away from the fire. I know I was like dude. Go In the scene. You see people swimming, the other direction.
Speaker 2:It's like dude, just go a little further stop, just looking up at flames ahead of you, but I didn't.
Speaker 1:I didn't realize that was one of my worst nightmares, and now it is, so it's really cool drowning under flame or like drowning and then burning being around, the only thing that can save you from water, and but also the water's killing you underneath. So it's like like what do I do?
Speaker 1:Oh, I know what. Swim the other way. Get a big straw. Yeah, Straw melts. It's like great. Now, if I do survive, I'll have melted plastic in my lungs. So as the boat fills with men, peter tells them to be careful around George, but a soldier reveals he has died. That's Alec. Peter returns above board and the shell-shocked soldiers ask him if George is all right. Peter holds back any anger and lies, telling him that George will be fine. Back in Weymouth, dawson is congratulated for the number of men he saved. As George's body is carried off the boat on a stretcher, you have Celia Murphy looking out seeing him, and as Peter looks, looks at him, he like turns around and walks off really quick. Yeah, he's just like oh well, they shouldn't have touched me. I don't know what to tell. Um, uh. Peter later gives a photograph of george and details of his participation in the local newspaper paper which leads to a front page article I know he's dedicated a war hero.
Speaker 1:It's like and like towards the end of the movie. As we're seeing all these scenes like, I'm like a wreck inside. I'm like oh, I just want to cry hard. And then we cut to the air. Well, we don't cut in the movie like it's been showing it the whole time, but so the podcast cuts to the air. Three RAF Spitfires piloted by Farrier Tom Hardy Collins and their squadron leader. The voice is Michael Caine.
Speaker 2:Is it?
Speaker 1:really. Yeah, it's awesome. His call sign is Fortress Leader. They head across the English Channel to provide air support to the operation at Dunkirk, knowing that the time they can spend there is limited by their fuel supply. They encounter German fighters and get into a dogfight, during which Fortis' leader is shot down. Michael Caine Farrier assumes command and, although his fuel gauge is shattered, they continue towards France. Yeah, and then. So he has to communicate to the other guy, Colin. He's like hey, what's your fuel out? And they're like 50. And he writes down 50 gallons and the time.
Speaker 1:And he's like I never thought of this I just.
Speaker 2:This movie just showed me things I would have never thought, and everyone's so calm, yeah, all the time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's just like, yes, the people that aren't the children are calm the whole time, which is nice.
Speaker 2:Um, or haven't been shot like they show a great amount of force yeah, they're like oh, thank god we're up here, not down down there.
Speaker 1:It seems very stressful down there, so they shoot down another Luftwaffe plane in their next skirmish. But Collins' Spitfire is badly damaged and he opts to ditch it in the channel rather than bail out. Bear assumes Collins is fine after seeing his waving hand and continues alone and, of course, like, while we're also getting shots of the boat that tommy and alex ran, they're trying to escape and the other, uh, minesweeper at this point isn't blown up yet and it's just like yeah, we're all gonna see this and this is all gonna make sense and it's beautifully put together.
Speaker 1:It does work really well. It's crazy and it does not. It's like if you were to ask me to make a world war show movie. I couldn't do it like this. And that's what Christopher Nolan is so good at, Just like showing the different points of view.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and just like his Piecing them together.
Speaker 1:He's obsessed with time shit too. Tenet Interstellar, you know he loves his sci-fi, timey, slimy stuff. So Farrier sees a German bomber attacking a minesweeper I wonder which one that is. Turn transport near Mr Dawson's yacht, it's all coming together. Switching to reserve fuel, he engages both it and fighter overhead because he had many chances to go back.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and not risk his life.
Speaker 1:He was thinking about it, but he constantly, like you, just see his eyes like darting and it's like Tom Hardy, yay.
Speaker 2:Because like eyes, like darting and it's like, oh marty, yay.
Speaker 1:Because like we don't know if there's any going to be any more planes coming? Yeah, like it seems like this. These were the three planes here to protect dunkirk, and it's like we've seen a lot of german planes. We should have more of these out. Um, so yeah, he switches to reserve fuel, engages both it and a fighter overhead. He shoots down the bomber after it damages the minesweeper, but it crashes into an oil sick spilling out of the ship, igniting it and several survivors. So that's how we learned what crashed into what made everybody catch on fire. So, flying on, farrier reaches dunkirk, his fuel tank exhausted in time to shoot down a dive bomber. While he's gliding, saving british ships and the troops squeezed onto the docks. He glides over the beach to cheers from the soldiers and sailors below.
Speaker 2:So yeah, he's gliding.
Speaker 1:There's no engine sound, it's just kind of like and just being in the cockpit and seeing his. Uh, what do you call that? Uh, the spinny thing, the compass on the front of the plane that makes it fly. Oh, the propeller, just seeing that stop was like shit, but then there's no noise of the engine that makes it fly. Oh the propeller. Just seeing that stop was like shit. But then there's no noise of the engine and then you just hear him gliding and it's like it's very peaceful.
Speaker 2:You wouldn't be able to hear him if the engine was on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was just like very quiet and I was like it seems very peaceful, as there's smoke everywhere. You know he's going to. It's like he's gonna.
Speaker 2:It's like he's gonna plummet to his death right like. This is scary, exactly like everywhere on the beach.
Speaker 1:He's like thanks bro, yeah, and then like they cut down to the mole area and like the commander is out there and like he's all happy because there's this very emotional scene where he's on the dock and all these ships come in and everybody's like we did it All the fishermen. And he's like where are you from, Oi, where are you from? I love all of ya. And then, oh shit. And then everybody's like oh no, oh, we're done, we're cooked.
Speaker 1:We were going to live, and then you just see Tom Hardy's plane, or you see the one plane crash as it comes down, and then you just see Tom Hardy just gliding. The best part was when he saw it and he didn't see the propeller going. It was like whoa, I've never seen that in my life, Like I've seen it in movies, but like something felt very real about his plane. Oh, by the way, because this movie had so many practical effects and there's very few CGI and it looks amazing very few CGI and it looks amazing.
Speaker 1:I don't know, it was great. So he glides over the beach and everybody's cheering for him. Farrier just managed to crank his landing gear down. As the wheels touch the sand beyond the allied perimeter, he sets fire to his plane with his flare gun to prevent it from falling into German hands, and is taken prisoner by German soldiers.
Speaker 2:Damn, I forgot about that. I didn't even notice that he set his own plane on fire.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he like turns around, shoots it and jumps off and just watches it burn. That's awesome. He's just like damn, I must have turned away for a second. But yeah, and then the movie ends. We see the plane on fire. Tommy finished reading his newspaper. He looks up and we're all like shit, we're going to win hell yeah, we'll never have any more struggles or wars after this no, yeah, it's the last one, last one guys.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we did it, and that's Dunkirk baby it was an incredible movie. It was so good. So I want to know what you think the point of Dunkirk is. What does Christopher Nolan try to say about this?
Speaker 2:I don't know, I think just he wanted to show a different side of world war ii yeah of just war in general, um, and just the hopelessness that you know no one talks about dunkirk.
Speaker 1:How's this not in every single school? How are we not learning this constantly?
Speaker 2:I mean, there's a I mean there's a lot of battles, but well, we have to put the the american, old american spin that is true, we we weren't involved in this so it's really.
Speaker 1:It's like we might get one chapter of World War II where everything was like oh, germany did this, everybody started battling, and then here's ten chapters on America coming in the last couple years, last couple months.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I put I decided to the point of this movie. After it finished I thought of the movie Star Wars, the Last Jedi, and just the point where Rose uh, people are like oh, I fucking hate that he's talking about the Last Jedi, cause nobody like not a very loved movie Really. Um. Okay about the Last Jedi, because nobody like not a very loved movie, really Okay. Rose says at the end of that movie, when Finn is going to like sacrifice himself to blow up this giant laser thing, she like crashes into him and he pops out. She says sometimes it's not about killing the ones we hate but saving the ones we love. And I was like Like in Dunkirk.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That's what they did in Dunkirk and that's what made us different. That's why we won the war. But I don't know, I was just like, oh shit. That quote kind of goes perfectly with this movie. It's all about saving the. It's like they could have just stayed there and died in battle and none of these people would have survived. I mean, they could have been like we're not evacuating, Get back in there and kill all these people.
Speaker 1:Every German we take out is a good thing, but they're like we got to save these people. We're going to need them, yeah Right. So I just kind of think that's the point of Dunkirk.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's really.
Speaker 1:I don't know what, christopher.
Speaker 2:Nolan's point is but that's what. That's what I got from the movie at least. Yeah, that's really. It is really interesting and to not be wasteful with lives.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly. Or it's just like uh, it's just about how we should stay in lines. I don't know, it's still.
Speaker 2:it's just teaching us how to be you know it could have just been that he, uh he wanted to, because a lot of people have never heard of it especially over here, yeah. Maybe he wanted to tell the story in a way that you know, kind of makes people want to unite.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's how it made me feel I was just like you know what. I'm not going on social media today because I'm in this good mood about how everybody is on this planet together and we should all be happy together. Yeah, and fight the Germans.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So that's the point we're going to hit our next category the good, the bad, the ugly, the fine. So we discuss the good of the film something we like, the bad, something we didn't, the ugly, something that didn't age well, and the fine, something that did age well. For the good, I put Jesus Christ. The directing and scene placement really feels like a ticking clock.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think Jesus Christ got an Emmy for the direction.
Speaker 1:He did, he did. He got an Emmy for a movie, he got a TV award for a movie.
Speaker 2:Everybody's like I don't know he can do anything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's like see guys, you thought I could just turn water into wine, but actually I can turn Oscars into Emmys fuck. Yeah, it's not as good, but still cool yeah, yeah, that's what I had for the good, anything other I?
Speaker 2:don't know, just the whole movie. I really love the, just the like the sound and the picture and the like the picture quality, yeah, and all the this like the picture quality, yeah, and all the this big cinematography is, yeah, the cinematography fucking amazing.
Speaker 1:That's what made me want to go to that beach. Duh, yeah, just without all the bombs. Yeah, um, for the bad, I had nothing.
Speaker 2:I think it's a it's a 100% masterpiece. It's great, it's incredible yeah, there wasn't anything there is one bad thing.
Speaker 1:So, um, on the mole, it's like when the bomb's gonna, it's at the beginning when a bomber's coming and everybody's just like slowly looking up and ducking down. There's this one part where there's some soldiers on this boat and they're all like packed in on it and they're all kind of looking up at it. It was in the trailer, but there's one guy that smiles the whole time. Oh, that's the only bad, only bad thing. He's so happy to be there. It's in the trailer too.
Speaker 2:I was like man, it's a great trailer, but like every time I saw that trailer I was like that guy's smiling. Maybe he had a head injury or something.
Speaker 1:So what do you got for the ugly? There's one easy one. I don't know War sucks, war Fucking doesn't age. Well, man, it does. For movies, though.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we really did make it age well, I guess.
Speaker 1:We're like we can make a lot of movies out of these.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this is fucking.
Speaker 1:Maybe we should put war as the fine, then something that ages well for movies, death and destruction. For the fine, for me, this whole movie. Every time I watch it it gets better and better. And also tours, Tours of things, tours.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because Christopher.
Speaker 1:Nolan in 1992 took a tour. He took a boat for the Dunkirk. Just made the travel. So thank God for tours, otherwise we wouldn't have this masterpiece of a movie. I know, oh man Seems terrifying but also awesome. I want to be on that exact boat, the Moonstone, and do it. Yeah, seems terrifying.
Speaker 2:When I went on that tour of the it's like Aztec village or whatever in Mazatlan yeah, that was awesome. It was like right on the beach and like there's. They had like their wind god set up where it's like this big statue where the wind would blow through it. It was so cool. I could have made a movie about that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, do it, I'll give you $10 for your budget. Oh God.
Speaker 2:They won't even let us bring our own water bottles Really, and the walk to it was like two miles.
Speaker 1:Oh great, so very touristy then. So if you go you have to buy $20 water bottles.
Speaker 2:Just bring your water bottle because they can't make you throw it away. They Just bring your water bottle because they can't make you throw it away. They just urge you to yeah, please, throw it away, please. There's no, there's no, they don't sell water there. There's no way to hydrate.
Speaker 1:You're just going to die, you just die.
Speaker 2:At least there wasn't when I was there.
Speaker 1:You have to jump in the ocean, cool off. All right, man, let's head to our next category.
Speaker 2:It movie to go alongside this movie. Yeah, once I looked up what all the movies that I've seen by christopher nolan and didn't realize it, I was really impressed. Yeah, because I like almost all of them. Yeah, all his movies are, all his movies go. So mine is going to be oppenheimer because I haven't seen it yeah, he chose a movie and it also won an emmy. Yeah and yeah, this is that's where, christopher nolan, he got his oscars.
Speaker 1:Cillian Murphy got his Oscars Great.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's in that too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's the lead. Yeah, he Peaky Blinds everywhere. Don't know what Peaky Blinds is. Have you seen the show? It started playing. It's really good. It started playing after something that we were watching and I just started watching. I was like is he just going to ride on this horse? For the first 50 minutes of the show, Because it's how it starts. He's riding through town on a horse.
Speaker 2:Yeah, in that show he was in World War I.
Speaker 1:Oh.
Speaker 2:So I guess, or it could have been World War II I think it was I, though but his job was like under the tunnel under the ground, to fight the other people tunneling under the ground. Yeah, and it all the the terror that he experiences like on a daily basis, like for PTSD, is pretty cool.
Speaker 1:Maybe I should watch Peaky Blinders. That sounds great. It's a good show.
Speaker 2:I've only seen like the two seasons of it, but they were good.
Speaker 1:So watch Oppenheimer and Peaky Blinders together. I chose for mine. I was. I wanted to think of like, because we you know how we're talking about movies that don't really show light of like wars and things that we went through. Like you know, we didn't know this happened with Dunkirk and it's crazy. It's like cool new story. So I chose a different one. It happens during Cold War, though it's called Bridge of Spies, the Steven Spielberg movie. I can't believe. I've never even heard of it. Yeah, it came out, got nominated for a billion Oscars and I don't think it really won anything.
Speaker 1:I think, Mark Rylance won. So it's during the Cold War an American lawyer is recruited to defend an arrested Soviet spy in court and then help the CIA facilitate an exchange of the spy for the Soviet captured American U-2 spy plane pilot, francis Gary Powers. So it's essentially this American lawyer has to be a lawyer for this Russian spy. Damn, and it's about all the stressfulness of that. There's mainly this one scene where the lawyer has to go to uh, I guess he goes to like russia or something he has to go take a train through and you see all like the violence and stuff and it's like very effective, cool. But yeah, watch that movie if you never have it goes.
Speaker 2:It's good imagine being having to talk to a russian spy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, here's the thing more manipulate this shit. When you meet mark rylance, he's just like in this crappy apartment painting and so kind of the. A lot of the movie is also like he's saying he's not a spy and it's like is he a spy? Is he not a spy? It's it. Uh, the beginning when you meet mark rylance is amazing. Like you should watch it. It's got to be on something. Oh yeah, um, that's it. That's our discussion of dunkirk in all the categories. Um, you wanna do Royal Tenenbaums? Yeah, fuck, yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't know if it's on anything, but I have.
Speaker 1:I have like two copies of that movie. It was incredible, cool. Um, make sure you join us next week because, even though this was terrifying and kinda sad, we're gonna take the terrifying away and keep the sadness, but also a lot of comedy, because we're doing Wes Anderson's the Royal Tenenbaums like his I don't know my second or third favorite of his movies uh it's amazing, it's great.
Speaker 1:It's got so much style and flair. Um, big actors, yeah. So join us next week for that. It'll make you cry, probably. Um, yeah, and also a reminder. Actually I said next week it's not gonna be next week, it's gonna be two weeks from now. Um, and you'll be hearing this episode in a reminder. Actually, I said next week it's not going to be next week, it's going to be two weeks from now, and you'll be hearing this episode in a couple hours, because I'm immediately editing it and uploading it today, don't even edit it.
Speaker 1:But we definitely need a break. We have to take a week off. Technically we're not getting a week off, we're just not going to be able to get an episode out, guys, sorry. So enjoy another podcast, I don't know, but join us for Royal Tendon Bombs when we have it up. Thank you for being patient If you are patient, cause I know this Dunkirk episodes coming out, I don't know about 20 hours later than it usually comes out.
Speaker 1:It's fine. I just really wanted to do Dunkirk with you because I bet he's going to have something cool to say, since he was in the army.
Speaker 2:It turns out you did. At first it was difficult to watch, but I think because it didn't have a lot of gore and stuff in it. It made it a lot easier.
Speaker 1:That's what I figured. The only part where I was watching, where I was like it was the claustrophobic stuff, like in the boats, or, and then, when it got to the guy getting stuck in the fire on the ocean. I was like I hope Jason's cool that was okay, but yeah, so join us when the Royal Tenenbaums comes out. Thank you for listening. Leave us a review, please.
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