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Coherence
What would you do if you encountered another version of yourself? A version who made different choices? This question forms the haunting core of Coherence, a brilliant low-budget sci-fi thriller that proves exceptional storytelling requires imagination, not millions.
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Hello and welcome to the we Recommend podcast, a movie podcast, where every week we recommend a movie for you to watch and then come back here and listen to us discuss. I'm Jesse, I'm Jason. This whole night we've been worrying there's some dark version of us out there somewhere. What if we're the dark version?
Speaker 2:Because this week we recommend Coherence. Coherence, jason. No, hold my hand through this.
Speaker 1:Ah, so I'm a big timey-wimey guy. Yeah, I like when things just kind of feel off and weird. I do too, and you're kind of it's like are we traveling through time? Are we traveling through space, different dimensions? I can't get enough of low budget sci-fi shit it's. This movie was $50,000. Holy cow, 8,000 went to the character Lee's wig Because they had to do reshoots. Nice, and it was $8,000.
Speaker 2:Hell yeah, so it was a forty two thousand dollar movie after they're done shooting I don't know whoever bought it.
Speaker 1:I hope has it and wears it every day for eight thousand dollars. Yeah, so did you understand the film? Sort of, I feel like the film does a great job at explaining things pretty well, but you have to really be focusing in on the movie and I don't know, let's say, if you're partaking in some I don't know alcohol or drugs.
Speaker 2:it might be a little harder If you're in a K-hole, yeah.
Speaker 1:It was funny. I was on imdb and they said I read a review and it said this movie made me feel stoned and I missed that feeling, so I'm gonna go out and get some weed. I was like, oh, this movie made someone do smoke weed. Oh, that's wonderful. Like this is how you know it's a good movie. Well, so in the first place, did you like it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I did. It does solidify the fact that I will never go to a dinner party, if I can help it. Yes, because this is low this.
Speaker 1:Well, this movie came out before the Invitation, but this is Low budget sci fi version of the Invitation. Low budget, sci-fi version of the invitation.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Is it is part of the entertainment of a dinner party, like having people come over and like dig up their ugly past Right.
Speaker 1:Is that part of it, I think with movies it seems. Well, movies got to have, you know, a reason to exist, so it can never just be like let's all hang out at a dinner party, nothing weird is going to happen here. But yeah, usually in movies it's always like, hey, we're having a dinner party. Did you know that there's a horror monster outside? Did you know that if you walk through down the street into this blackness, you just come out wherever reality you're?
Speaker 2:going to come into.
Speaker 1:It's like I just wanted to come over and drink wine and eat cheese. At least this dinner party wasn't as ridiculous as the invitation, Whereas, like you guys should never see each other ever again. This one they have. Some small things in the past is mainly just oh, Lori's here, some small things in the past is mainly just oh, Lori's here. He dated my boyfriend and then you know the Mike and Beth situation where he, I guess, slept with her like 10 years ago. Compared to the invitation where it's like my ex-wife's here and she might be in a cult, it's like leave, let's learn about the cult, why are you still here? At least this one it gets them in touch. They kind of get trapped immediately. So there's, they can't leave.
Speaker 2:Essentially, well, maybe they can. I don't know the reality roulette yeah, that or they.
Speaker 1:They got into a pretty reasonable reason why they feel like they can't just drive off because they're so scared and have no idea what's going on. And the invitation it's like you should leave.
Speaker 2:You should leave you should leave, like every every five minutes.
Speaker 1:you're like leave, Leave. Why are you here? Because we're all locked inside.
Speaker 2:Until the door gets locked, and then it's like, oh well, I can't leave now.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I just think that, holy crap man, you do not need $300,000 or $300 million to make a good movie.
Speaker 1:You can do it with fifty thousand dollars, some shoestrings if you just yeah, I mean, if you just you just need a one location, a very like, which is that's essentially what the director wanted. He's like I just want to shoot this in my house, which he did, um, but he only had five days to do it, because his wife was eight and a half months pregnant, damn, and when they were filming the Emily stuff walking around, at the end she was giving birth. Oh wow, yeah, like you gotta get the fuck out of this house, which is just I don't know.
Speaker 2:Was it a home birth?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was a home birth. Oh, they should have filmed it.
Speaker 2:They live in LA.
Speaker 1:I want to get my placenta all over the place, but if you just work on your ideas for the movie, you have it concrete, you know, and you get like relatively decent actors and you just, if you just have to.
Speaker 2:I don't know.
Speaker 1:I don't even know how to explain it. It's just really good.
Speaker 2:It's just, the idea was just too good to fail, right yeah, and you're like I just don't know what the movie is. Yeah, but I think also, like darkness is is so scary enough, like it's. Yeah, there's so much mystery with when it comes to darkness that you can make it scary yeah, you know it's just like a, especially with the graininess, like if you ever you have a sleepover with your friends when you're a kid and y'all go out in the dark and everybody's mind just wanders and you end up getting scared about shit.
Speaker 1:That's not there dude walking down a dark hallway. Yeah right, that feeling that someone's behind you, I mean it's just the darkness because you can't see it's scary. I get like that sometimes in the morning I'll wake up and I'll walk and I'm like, is there a shadow out in the garage? But it's just a cat walking by the nightlight. We have out there. You have the litter boxes. I'm like I don't want. And then, plus, we have a Halloween skeleton in there that we just kind of leave out all year. His name's Guillermo. But I'll look, I'll wake up and I'll look at the at the back door, which is a sliding door, and I'll see his reflection.
Speaker 2:I'm like, fuck, I thought someone was outside it gets me every time I'm more afraid of stepping on Legos in the hallway, yeah, tripping and falling on everything and waking everyone up and then having to deal with that. Is true. My biggest scare scares us.
Speaker 1:waking natalie up like 4 am in the morning. I'd be like god, I would hate to wake up in the morning watching her sleep shaking in fear. Please don't wake up. Um, I think this movie is amazing. It does a great job. It was nice to rewatch. I've only seen this once before. I started watching it to take notes and I never heard of it. Yeah, it was just kind of popped up on a list one day and it was like you know, I was going through a list Trippy sci-fi movies.
Speaker 2:Oh, I'm not Well it's like I don't have to listen.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no no, Don't even know how to find that it's not real, Don't worry about it. And then I watched it and I was like, oh my gosh. I immediately had to make Natalie watch it. She loved it.
Speaker 2:She had to chain her down, yeah.
Speaker 1:And what I love is I've only seen it once, and then it was last night. I was like, hey, should we watch it? Rewwatch this for you so you can be caught up with the podcast. She's like I actually watched it not too long ago.
Speaker 2:I was like oh my gosh, I may watch a movie that she liked.
Speaker 1:Which I hope everyone listening, watched it and liked it. Where was I going with this? Hmm, yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't remember either.
Speaker 1:Oh, it does like such a good, especially when you first All right. So I first watched it I was like, oh, this is amazing, gave me chills and everything. I knew most of the plot, remembered most of the plot, and so when I sat down to re-watch it yesterday I was like, damn, this movie builds attention so well but very it's so subtly builds attention. It all comes together when the second, the note, is left at the door. Like Amir and Hugh come back and they're like, oh, we, we're all upset, blah, blah, blah. And then he's gonna write a note, he's gonna go back, hugh's gonna go back to write a note and put on their door. And then they're like, oh shit, someone's there, the music's kind of swelling, and then they open the door and you just see it and you're like, oh, that's what this movie's about. It was literally I had my legs kind of crossed on the recliner, you know I just get the goosebumps feeling. And then I see all my hair. It's like, dang, my hair just took Viagra or something.
Speaker 2:Maybe you can help explain it to me. But yeah, bro, don't worry, I was a little confused.
Speaker 1:I wanted to make sure I knew this movie so well. I watched multiple videos of video illustrations of them simply explaining it with like this on the screen it had house one, house two. Here's this group of people's over here Now. This group of people went to this house and is like oh, this actually really helped me. A very visual learner.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I should have done that, but for me a lot of the tension came from wondering if they had all been drugged.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And if it was all just like K-Holtz, I would have been so upset.
Speaker 1:If it was, that would have been the worst, like no. So let's hop into some facts. I don't have a lot. I honestly said like half of them. So let's hop into some facts I don't have a lot.
Speaker 2:I honestly said like half of them whenever I said the wig thing, didn't they just give the actors like note cards, bro, yes and ad-libbed everything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, pretty much it was five. They shot 50K, five nights, single location. The dialogue was largely improvised. The actor who plays Amir he's a co-writer of this, co-writer he just came up with the, I guess the the design of where they need to be story beat wise, because you know they didn't have dialogue. Um, he sent. He was the mole who helped guide the scenes if the actors went astray, because instead of scripts, the actors would each receive only a small paragraph that only they would see as their goals for the day.
Speaker 1:This allowed for the story to unfold naturally and create genuine reactions, like when Kevin tries to leave the house by himself. That's him, emily's boyfriend. She was given the note to not let him leave, and so the director, I guess, was. There was an issue, I think it was when Amir and Hugh came back After 45 minutes of the house not letting them in, the director had to come in. It's like all right, guys, you got to let them in. All right, we said you're supposed to kind of resist, not make sure they don't get in ever.
Speaker 1:But yeah, that was really funny and let's see what else. So this is actually a funny one. The neighborhood was supposed to look completely dark when the first group visits the other house. It was this, but so it's like you weren't really supposed to see anything but the neighborhood. Or it was the same night as a Snickers commercial was being filmed in the neighborhood which used huge lights and hundreds of people. So you got a giant Snickers commercial and then, just a little further down the street, some people were like can you keep it down please? We only have $50,000 to do this.
Speaker 2:They threw them a Snickers.
Speaker 1:Just like get over it, dweebs. The crew had there was only five crew members two sound guys, the director of photography, the director and a producer there. That's all they had to work on the film. And then, of course, the actors. Um, yeah, oh, there is also. So it was to the point where the actors didn't know who the main characters were. It wasn't till the character m was trying to figure out the numbers on the back of the pictures. Yeah, when she realized, oh shit, I'm the main character of this movie and lee, the girl that takes a nap, she thought, um, it was almost like two-thirds of the movie. Into the movie she finally figured out oh shit, this isn't a broad comedy, so she didn't even know she's in a sci-fi movie, she thought.
Speaker 1:I guess that makes sense, because when you watch her she's usually laughing about everything. She's the only one that seems to be like kind of free-spirited and it's like oh, nothing's that big of a deal, yeah oh, I guess she found out when it was the third day of filming that it was she was the lead character. She gets super serious.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I do like the idea of like celestial bodies causing us to act weird. Yeah, you know say like whenever people say Mars or whatever is in retrograde, or like, what the fuck does that even mean? That gives you permission to act like a total jackass.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think we should normalize that. The moon and the stars are making me act weird. I mean, do you think that has like any effect on people? I think it does.
Speaker 2:I mean, they're pretty huge. I mean if the moon can literally control our water right at the ocean, who knows what it's pulling apart in our brains, yeah.
Speaker 1:It's like, maybe it'll like turn our brains backwards one day, and we'll just be like what do you think backwards? I'm the backwards man, I'm the backwards.
Speaker 1:Man, I can walk backwards faster than anyone can. Daddy, would you like some? I guess, since we can't, we kind of probably should just get into the plot. So that's where our bulk of our conversation is going to be and this is probably the. The way we structure our movie, or our podcast, is probably best for films like this, cause I'm sure there's going to be people that are like wait, what should I need some white guy in Tennessee to explain this movie to me?
Speaker 2:And that's what I'm here to do. What you told him where we were, damn it. What you told him where we were, well, we've dropped that 500 times.
Speaker 1:We probably dropped it a little too close to where we actually live. It's okay, I went online. It's hard to find us though.
Speaker 2:None of our locations are set.
Speaker 1:All right, you ready, man? Oh, but before I do this, every time I always say are we ready? Oh wait, One more thing. Don't forget that, as we're going through this, think about what's the point of this movie and what's it trying to say. And well, hopefully Jason will find out what it's trying to say when.
Speaker 2:I explain to him what it's trying to say.
Speaker 1:But yeah. So after we go through the plot, we're going to say what we think the point of the movie is, what we think the point of the movie is, and we'd love to hear what you think the point of the movie is. So leave us some fan mail Link in the description at the top. Email at the bottom. We recommend mailbag at gmailcom. All right, let's hop into Coherence 2013. So we start off. It's going to be eight friends reunited at a dinner party one night in California when a comet passes. We start with Emily driving to the party in a very blurry and shaky camera type way. Kevin has something important to say to Emily, but her phone, kind of, is going dead and then all of a sudden it cracks in her hand what the fuck? And it's immediately like we got something going on baby.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was really cool and totally insane, like what the fuck could have caused that.
Speaker 1:Wouldn't that be? Just even if nothing else bad happened to be like I have to?
Speaker 2:that's a night ender. Now I have to deal with this situation.
Speaker 1:It's like my insurance card's in with my phone, if I this thing breaks and I get pulled over I'm screwed.
Speaker 2:This insurance covered comet damage right yeah, but seriously, that's probably.
Speaker 1:If nothing else bad happened that night, that would be the most stressful thing of the night, it's like this is going to take so many days to make sure I get one. It's like it's probably a Saturday night, so you're going to have to do Sunday. They're not going to be able to ship it to you to either Monday or.
Speaker 1:Yeah and be like can I have a phone that's in the back? No, we have to ship it to you. By the way, you have to sign for it. We won't just drop it off and then we're also going to have it. Make sure that it's the furthest distribution center away, so you can't just go drive there.
Speaker 1:And then we have three possibilities to get this phone, then we ship it back, and it's like what medieval age era do we live in with phones Like Amazon will literally drop anything off in like five minutes. Okay, well, I guess I had a rant built up in me that I didn't know how to.
Speaker 1:It's okay, you got to let it out. It's just the phone company's got us bent over a barrel. Yeah, they do, all right, and we love it. Yeah, so in this phone break we cut to black or we fade to black. Great start, did you like it? So I know it's low budget. Did you like the look of the film?
Speaker 2:I did. Yeah, I do like the kind of the low lighting, kind of very intimate situations. It's like you're a voyeur.
Speaker 1:Is that right?
Speaker 2:It's almost like phone footage, but not really. I don't know yeah.
Speaker 1:It is cool, so Em she goes inside to the party where we meet Beth an empath.
Speaker 2:She's great. God, she's insane yeah.
Speaker 1:She's like a mix between Rose McGowan and oh my God what's her? Name. I did this last night too, halloween Girl Laurie Strode that actress.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know, but like she's, yeah, you know the whole thing. Saying that you're an empath, does that mean you have empathy or does that mean you see people's auras?
Speaker 1:Yeah, she sees auras and stuff. She's a hippie, so strange. She's a posh hippie. She's Gwyneth Paltrow. Yeah, just without all the money that Gwyneth has.
Speaker 2:At least she brought party favors, If anything.
Speaker 1:She's kind of the coolest person there. I don't know she got drugs Cool. Actually my favorite was Hugh the whole time. Yeah, then we meet Mike and Lee. They're married and that's pretty much mostly what we get them. They're gossiping about one of their friends, amir, bringing someone named Lori, who's a vixen and is wild. Beth and Lee also have a conversation about buying a plant at a thrift store.
Speaker 1:That doesn't seem like it should be in the notes, but it will make sense later. I really like I immediately kind of like the friend dynamic and I love Mike. He's got like kind of a shit eating grin. Yes, it's the alcoholic guy. It's just like you could see that. He's like the one that would just like poke a bear. Right, he's just like yeah, there's something awkward here. I'm going to make sure it gets brought up. And I love that. Movies. I love when there's a wild card. Oh no, um. So beth wants to put ketamine in people's food. If they are nervous, they're all like what?
Speaker 2:no, she say that. I thought she's just like hey, if you want some, I got it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what I meant they'd have to ask, but she was just like, yeah, if anyone feels nervous, it's mainly for him because you know, an ex girlfriend of kevin's is coming, uh, but she, oh, there's not that much in it. There's like this oil, this seed, this oil and a little bit of ketamine. Em's like what. Like just a little bit. It's watered down. And then Kevin and Hugh show up. Kevin and Emily hug, but something seems off. Little do they know. There's something off about the whole night. Kevin asked Emily if she wants to come with him on his business trip to Vietnam and she doesn't say yes, it's like a four month business trip, yeah.
Speaker 2:I feel like you get a parasite if you go to Vietnam.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but you know it was like it's a long time to ask your girlfriend to go with you somewhere.
Speaker 2:Yeah, cause she's probably got.
Speaker 1:she's an actress, right, she's a dancer, but it doesn't really seem like she's doing much dancing anymore, but it's also it's like well, he seems to have a pretty nice job, like we could probably just go up there for four months, but that is a long time.
Speaker 1:Might be All right. There's a I kind of understand on both sides. It's like, well, if we're going to eventually get married, you should probably come with me on this trip. It's also like a four-month vacation. It's like, yeah, but can't you vacation in like Italy or something? Can you get like?
Speaker 2:a job. Vietnam's got some beautiful places. I really don't know anything about Vietnam.
Speaker 1:I've seen a lot of pictures of like resorts and stuff. He's even like well, why don't you just come for a month? And at the same time I'm like, yeah, that's only like, that's like a month out of the four, that's not too bad. But then in the same time in my head I'm like you're gonna be gone for a month.
Speaker 2:Hell yeah.
Speaker 1:If I don't have a lot going on, I'll probably. She is in this reality. So to break the tension and to add another layer of tension, amir and Lori show up and it turns out Lori is Kevin's ex-girlfriend. Boom, boom, boom, and Amir shouldn't have brought her. They all hang out and eat and everybody starts talking about how they have no service on their phones. Em thinks it's the comet and everybody's like it's the fucking comet.
Speaker 2:Did they say which comet it was? Was it?
Speaker 1:Haley's comet oh, I don't remember which one. They said it was cool though. Yeah, oh, I know, and it was apparently a practical effect, so it wasn't CGI, so I don't know how they did it. I couldn't find in the notes anywhere. It's almost like they had a match and then they were like pulling it across because it was like kind of sparkly yeah and every time they cut to it I was like I could just watch this, yeah, I know.
Speaker 2:And then when they go outside they're like and they're like, let's go back and stuff.
Speaker 1:No, I want to stay here and watch this cool-ass comic Like should we have a lot of more awkward conversations in this house? Sure, let's go Get the ketamine. But Em shares a story where in the past a woman called the police because she thinks her husband isn't actually her husband. When asked why she says that she says she killed her husband the day before they're like they couldn't put her in jail because her husband's standing right there. It's like, yeah, they probably put her in the loony.
Speaker 2:They also could just arrest you for saying things yeah, you have to have evidence.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but what do you do? It's like no, there's the body.
Speaker 2:That's him. It's like oh yeah, that would be different.
Speaker 1:It's like well, who's this? I told you it's him. It's like, does he have a twin? It's him, it's like no, no, you're both arrested. Yeah, but yeah, that's just. You know, this part of the movie is just kind of like oh, something weird is going to happen with this comment maybe. So they have general conversations and then Mike asked what Lori does and she says she's works with at risk youth. He asked about her teaching yoga, but she says she never did that. She asked what he does and he says acting. He says he was the lead in the show roswell. She says she loves that show but doesn't remember him in it. Attention to dr rye. Amir also didn't know.
Speaker 1:lee has a sister so they've it's already I think when amir and laurie came to the house, I think maybe they passed through the black part there. So maybe they're from a reality where he wasn't really on the show. Maybe that makes sense, or they're just all kind of being weird assholes. At this point it could go either way and at this point it's not like the biggest deal yeah, it doesn't really. But there's this kind of this offness, because I can't tell if it's just like Mike and her just kind of going back and forth or something. Okay, but it is weird that Amir has been friends with Lee for a long time.
Speaker 2:He's like I didn't know, you had a sister Like well, there's a picture right there that leads to the door to nowhere. Yeah, that's what this part with Em kind of frustrated me.
Speaker 1:She's like if somebody comes over to your house and is like, hey, I really don't like this corner of your house, yeah, right, okay, it's like thanks, that's great. Thanks a lot, yeah, and that picture was super fucking weird yeah, it's like why you got no other picture of your sister not doing something weird?
Speaker 1:like a part of me thinks like maybe that was one of the other actors and they had to like kind of cover their face so you couldn't tell. So then Lori asked what Em is doing. She used to do a dance show but she got replaced by a better dancer when we learned Em didn't take it the understudy part because she took too long to decide. I don't know what she's doing with Kevin. And the understudy went on to lead the show and become a famous dancer. Understudy went on to lead the show and become a famous dancer.
Speaker 1:Um, and I just love at this point because people are constantly asking questions or saying things after, after the person explains their answer, and it's just like cutting right to the core of every single person. It's like y'all don't have to be confrontational. You should get less confrontational friends. Guys. The life is messy. That's what. That's what we'll learn.
Speaker 1:So kevin tells a dream story he had when he was dating laurie. M's face immediately like out of all fucking life events, you go to the one time you're dating this girl. That's here. It immediately feels awkward and doesn't hide it. Then hugh's phone cracks. M says the news said this would happen, but they didn't. They don't believe her. They try to use the internet and it's not working either. The phone cracking is such a great thing. It is cool, so fucking weird. And it's totally the same phone they used at the beginning. You can't tell me it's not, they just put a new case on it.
Speaker 1:But this is where it's immediately Hugh. For some reason maybe it's just the way he looks he looks very kind of, he's the calm guy. He seems like he's just kind of there to have fun. Everybody seems to really like Hugh. And then he kind of starts to change because Hugh needs to call his brother. Who's the scientist? Brother said to call if anything weird starts to happen. Then suddenly a power out Bunch of weirds that happens. Hell, yeah, there was something about it being Hugh, specifically being the one that's like seems like the dad there almost, because he seems older than everybody. Yes, he's so tall and it's like this is the guy we should run to. He seems to kind of think clearly. So when he's like, yeah, I should probably call my brother, you know he said if something weird happens.
Speaker 2:They're like what do you mean? Something weird. He's trying not to make people panic.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's being very dad about it. Don't worry kids, everything's just fine. So the power outage occurs. Uh, the mike and lee have some glow sticks that they want to use for life and they decide to use the blue glow sticks brilliant purple. Yeah, they look purple, I think with because of the camera, but they're supposed to be blue. Um, but, what a great visual, like way to like know whose characters are who at the beginning, because you got the red, green glow stick guys and the blue glow stick guys.
Speaker 2:They're the blue ones that's a fun thing to have on the. I guess the power goes out there all the time because the earthquakes, yeah, maybe prepared, or, and you know, beth uh seems to doing likes to do drugs.
Speaker 1:Yeah, wait, no, that's Mike and Lee's. I don't know, yeah, it's Mike and Lee's house, I don't know, yeah. So everyone goes outside and sees one house up the street still has power. They also watch the comet overhead and then they go back inside. They see a glass is broken, which they didn't notice before. So they're different.
Speaker 2:They're already in a different dimension. They're in a different house.
Speaker 1:So they have went from house one, so they went into the darkness, went to the portal and saw the other house and they went back. They never show the house, yeah, they don't show it until Mike goes over there. And then they came back and there's just small little things different. So now they are in a different reality where all the groups went and they came back and I guess they essentially replaced the group that went out and came back in to where now there's one glass, because that glass that's broken shows up like five different times in this movie Not broken.
Speaker 2:So we are currently. It chills a little bit.
Speaker 1:Everybody I know, because it's. This is what kind of blows my mind about the movie, right? Because, let's say, when you know the different reality groups start coming in and out and they're all getting mixed up, it's like, oh, it's not a big deal, they're all still kind of the same people. But because you think it and you know that they're not the exact ones that you know, it's scary really funny if they came back and they've got, like one of them's got hot dog fingers.
Speaker 1:Yeah it's everything everywhere all at once. Oh, but I love it. So we're immediately in another reality for them now. So they will never see house one ever again. Their life as they knew is completely gone now, even though it's almost exactly the same, just there's a glass broken so they could have.
Speaker 2:Also in this reality, the food could have been drugged and yeah potentially Anything could have happened at that point.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh, oh. So Hugh and Amir go to. They decide they're going to go to the other house to ask to use their phone. Hugh again brings up that his brother said that if anything happens, that he should go and talk to him and that everyone should just stay inside. They're like, yeah, so should you.
Speaker 2:Yeah but not really really well this.
Speaker 1:This is a different situation now, and so the power goes out. They seem to be in this posh neighborhood in california. Why are they so damn scared? Right, it's like how long have y'all lived here and know this place? Is it really that dangerous to go outside when there's no power?
Speaker 2:but yeah, I guess you never know it is California.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it just seems like they're probably like in the hills somewhere.
Speaker 2:Yeah, nobody can get to them seems like, yeah, seems like exactly like the invitation yeah, exactly because they're all in the hills, yeah.
Speaker 1:So M tells a story about a comet passing over Siberia and it exploding in the atmosphere and flattening trees and killing two people. It's like the Tarkovka comet or whatever.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's something incident. Yeah, the Tarkovka.
Speaker 1:Tarkondus, something like that. Yeah, I can't remember. Then suddenly a bang at the door happens and they check but no one is there. I'll get the bat. Yeah, normal, hugh and Amir should be back by now. Mike gets the generator running, beth wants to go get Hugh and wants to go get Hugh and them, but the group says no. A few minutes later, hugh, do you think?
Speaker 2:Oh shit. Do you think that the house, the only house on the street with the lights on, was their house after he turned on the generator? Yeah, oh.
Speaker 1:That's what it is. Well, so it's different, right? There's points where it could be them going to the house because it seems like the reality some are ahead of time, some are kind of a little back in time, so whenever they go, they're going at different points. It's not the exact in time, so whenever they go, they're going at different points.
Speaker 2:It doesn't, it's not exact same time. And that's him knocking on the door, checking out the other house.
Speaker 1:Yes, Jesus, Because every hue, every hue goes to the house and the knocks on the front door but no one hears it. And every hue goes around and bangs on the side door Shit. And every Hugh falls down and hits their head and every Amir sees Hugh sit down a box and then every Amir picks up that box and goes back home. Damn yeah.
Speaker 2:I got chills. Okay, that's awesome. So.
Speaker 1:Hugh and Amir should be. I already said that. A few minutes later, hugh and Amir come back with a box At the other house. Amir says he saw Hugh come, set a box down and run away. So Amir grabbed the box. Hugh says he did not, uh, set it down. Hugh also says he saw something, but he won't say what he was. Um has a cut on his head. Hugh's temper is also raised. Um, they also put a, a cloth band-aid on his head. So this is no longer their Hugh and Amir. This is a red. We'll find out. This is a different set of Hugh and Amir.
Speaker 2:Bizarro world. Hugh and Amir.
Speaker 1:Well, they're the same, but they're not in the right house. They're visitors. Doesn't that suck, wouldn't that?
Speaker 2:suck to be in that situation.
Speaker 1:You're like shit, no, to be in that situation. You're like shit, no, yeah. So inside they find a ping pong paddle and pictures of themselves, including one that was taken that night of Amir, with the numbers written on the back. It's immediately like wait, who took you to that picture? Was somebody outside. Why a ping pong paddle?
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's going to get into some spanking?
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's going to get into some spanking. Yeah, I just love the thing because you can watch a mirror. And he's like that that's impossible. This was taken tonight. What do you mean? I bought this sweatshirt today. Yeah, well, who took it of you? He's like I haven't taken a fucking picture.
Speaker 2:They think it came from, like the door.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like potentially outside the door. They're like no, he's looking straight at the camera.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it's like right in his face.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like you can't miss taking that picture. But at this point I think the house is like you're probably messing with us. So Hugh says that the other house. He saw a table, wine glasses, plates. He saw this. He saw exactly what they're doing. So much more sense now. So Kevin gets upset and accuses them of banging on the side door to scare them. Hugh says he did not do it, but he banged on the side door of the other house. Hugh is going back over there to leave a note, to use their phone, but they see someone at the door. We see Hugh starting to write the note. When they open it and they see the exact note Hugh is writing on the door and it's so fantastic.
Speaker 2:And it gives me chills. I think that was the first point. I was just like so confused.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like wait, what are we doing? It's just if that actually happened, man like for some reason and it's all because it's like handy cam. We're in there, we feel like we're a part of the group and it's just like the way the realistic filmmaking puts you into that situation. And then, when that happens, you're like I didn't know this was going to be this type of movie right.
Speaker 2:I would have, I think, immediately would have thought that he was just messing with us. Yeah, right, and it's like his note.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and because it would be creepy that if someone left a note on the door but it's just the added fact that it's like he looks at his note while they're reading it and we see it and we're like that's the same eats, it crumbles it up.
Speaker 1:You'll never see what I wrote. So on a notepad, emily writes down the numbers from the box, looking for a pattern, but they can't find one. Then Amir realizes that one of the pictures that was taken from that night and in their house, but no one took a picture of him. They have no idea what is going on, so they drink.
Speaker 2:That's a good answer.
Speaker 1:That is something this group does a lot.
Speaker 2:I need a drink.
Speaker 1:It's like guys have your wits about you, let's get in the right headspace. It's like maybe they wouldn't have left the house if they would just quit drinking. So after the group leaves, em tells Kevin that it's her handwriting on the back of the pictures and I love that because she just puts it. She's like I wrote these. They're just numbers and they put yeah, but is it her exact?
Speaker 1:five oh yeah, and she's like I'm pretty sure I wrote this and she's like whoa. And then she's like by the way, kevin, I'm fucking pissed, you told a story about when you and laurie were together. It's like you don't have any stories about us. He's like, well, we don't do that type of thing. It's like, oh so, we don't do that type of thing, guys it was really funny when he's it said the bears.
Speaker 2:The dog's name was bears. He's like bears, the most common name for jelly's like bears and there's no common name for bears. Yeah, I thought it was. I want to go to her party yeah, she seems like a fun person.
Speaker 1:Tell me more facts and mike seems like he'd be cool too, as long as he doesn't drink and get into alternate reality situation. So emily, kevin, mike and Lori decided to go to the other house to see what the fuck is happening, and then so they go outside. It's those four. They have their little blue glow sticks on and then they're walking to the other house. So this group is officially separated from those people Forever, forever they go. Mike's like this is my house. You're like no, dude, it's not your house. Like this is my house. You know when it's your house, right, it's like it looks, everything looks exactly the same. He's just like yeah, so they go and peek in there and while they're, they're like they think they hear something. So they walk away and they encounter what appears to be copies of themselves carrying red glow sticks at the house they originated from, and both groups flee back to their homes.
Speaker 2:I love it that they're just y'all's like uh, what are we doing over there?
Speaker 1:Because it's dark out it's probably kind of hard to see them, but it's like those look exactly like us Shit. And then the red group, kind of like bolts first and they're like shit, let's just go the other way, do you? Would that be what you do, or would you be like hello, yeah I would probably try to talk to them.
Speaker 2:I feel like I would say hello if they're both in the same, in from different realities in the same, but if they talk to each other like won't the world implode, or something, We'll get into that in a second.
Speaker 1:So Emily's group explains to the others that, oh, and then they go back into the house. So now from the original house there's only four people left Emily wait, who all went? Emily, kevin, mike and Lori. So they're the original people from House 1 still there.
Speaker 1:So Emily groups explains to the others that they met copies of themselves, except the copies were wearing red glow sticks instead of their blue glow sticks. They also talk about a part of the road that's darker than the rest. Apparently Hugh and Amir also went through it. And then this is where we also get Amir making like a stressed out looking face, and we'll see soon. Hugh goes to his car and gets notes from a physics lecture. It's about Schrodinger's cat. So there's in Schrodinger's cats like there's a cat in a box with some poison and while that cat is in the box with the poison and you can't see it is both living and dead and the only way you change it is when you open it and then you know for sure what it is. But quantum physics right explains that there are two realities one, where the cat lived and one where the cat died.
Speaker 2:Hell yeah, I tried explaining this to one of my daughters one time. Yeah, I just had to stop.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because I didn't really understand it Right, yeah, because once you go, any further than that. It's way too complicated. So Hugh says so, listen to this. This is what he's written. There is another theory that the two states continue to exist separate and each creating a new branch of reality based on the two outcomes. Quantum decoherence ensures that the different outcomes have no interaction with each other. But oh, the name of the movie is coherent.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I love quantum physics. It blows my mind every time I try to learn about it.
Speaker 1:It really is just people that just thought really hard one day and were like we should start coming up with theories about this.
Speaker 2:And there's particles that go backward in time.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And they have these facilities under a mile under the ground or whatever that measure these particles that travel through other materials, and they Dude.
Speaker 1:I love it, I love it so much it's fucking sick. I love listening to podcasts about it. It's great. Don't know what they're talking about but I love to hear it.
Speaker 2:Sean Carroll's Mindscape is what I listen to. Oh really.
Speaker 1:I'll have to check that out, but what I like is it's essentially it's just that I feel like the quantum physics part of it where your head well, I guess the schrodinger's cat or it's like, it's all pretty much up to your head that cat's alive or dead, whatever you decide, until you open the box, you can just leave the box closed and say it's a dead cat, right, um, and it's kind of like what they are. The group is the same essentially, but because they think they're different, they're different. Nice, right from there, because, like you're not from my reality. It's like, yeah, but if he's acting the same and he's the exact same person, cause this whole point? They're all pretty much from different houses now and they're like, oh no, we're different, we shouldn't be here, and it's like, yeah, but you're kind of the same and it's okay if you just didn't think about it.
Speaker 1:It'd be like oh yeah, we're just friends. I don't get it. I like it Right. That's how I kind of view it. All right. So after reading those notes, they deduced that the comet has created a split reality and that one of the realities will collapse when the comet passes. The group argues about how to deal with the other house and it's like you guys don't 100 know that they're gonna collapse on each other?
Speaker 1:let's all leave the house again yeah, uh, mike just disguised you know what? Let's fucking kill them. He wants to kill the devils before the devils can kill them, they consider because he thought about it, it's gonna happen it's like I'm thinking about it so that guy's thinking about it and it's like yeah but you're, the guys are saying don't do it.
Speaker 1:But what if there's a reality where they say, do it, but like, what we'll kind of learn is there is no reality where they'd ever do that as a group, or at least that we see? So they consider also stealing the physics notes from the other huge car to hinder the other reality from getting the same knowledge as them, other reality from getting the same knowledge as them. Because they deduced this? Because when the group went out and saw the other house, mike saw lee up and didn't see beth in the house that they came back to. Beth or lee is sleeping because beth gator gave her ketamine, nice. So beth is the one that told them to get the book. But because in the other house they think that Beth is still sleeping, that no one would think about going to get the book, so they won't read this, so they won't think to come over and kill them. It's like a game of catch.
Speaker 2:So that's why they want to get it.
Speaker 1:It's honestly like the game werewolf, which I know, or mafia, or whatever they call it. It's like you got to kind of figure out who's who. So in that reality, beth took a nap, not Lee, so they think they wouldn't know to get the paper. Hugh doesn't think they should do it and refuses to give Mike the key. But Mike decides to blackmail the other houses Mike to prevent them from getting the lecture notes. He's gonna tell himself that he knows about him sleeping with Beth. It's like what the fuck are you talking about, mike? Stop making bad decisions. Let's all kill ourselves so they won't live.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's so great. Look at the South Park episode where they have to keep having gay sex, so they don't. Yeah, the future people won't come back and steal their germs. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I do remember that one. So we also learned that Beth gave Lee some ketamine to help her sleep. Em asks it's like, all right, don't be mad at me and I'm sorry that this is crossing the line Did you put any of the ketamine in our food? But we learned she didn't. They think they may have been group hallucinating, but Hugh shuts it down and says like you'd have to take a whole bottle each and then you still probably wouldn't have a mass hallucination like this. Might be paranoid, but not this mass hallucination. And then we see Beth and Lee have the same conversation about the plant from earlier and M notices Dang.
Speaker 2:So it's like oh, where'd you get this plant? It's like they're meeting, oh, this thrift store. They're talking for the first time, even though they've already had this conversation.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, they're talking about that plant for the first time because in Beth and Lee's reality the two people that have never left a house, so they're just as boring in the other reality, yeah, they still love that plant.
Speaker 1:In every reality I get it. So at this point M notices, notices it. Suddenly it's revealed that Hugh and Amir are from the house with red glow sticks, because they're like, the red glow stick box isn't open and we all have red glow sticks except for them. So Mike comes back in the middle of them packing up. Mike says he dropped the letter off. He says this to Kevin and he thinks he was gone for 45 minutes, but it was only five minutes. He's like you're crazy. It's like Mike, the whole night's crazy right now. So this Mike is no longer the Mike from house one. This is a completely different Mike now because he went into the black void by himself and came back. It's kind of a magic. So he's, he's a he's a magic Mike. Now it's real. Yeah.
Speaker 1:So Hugh and Amir take the box and go back to the other house. The others think that they may have been from the other house in the first place. Kevin tries to leave but Em stops him. She wants to recreate the clues from the box, since they should all have the same photos. So he's like she's Mike, go get the photos for me. And he's like I'm going to get another bottle of wine I've decided to be the worst version of myself during this racial situation.
Speaker 2:So that's why. Ok, that makes sense that she was asking people what numbers they remembered. But yeah, a little later, yeah, she wrote them down.
Speaker 1:Ok, yeah, so Lee is worrying about Mike and his drinking. Beth puts ketamine in her own drink. Lee is washing the glass that was broken from earlier in the film, so it's not broken now. Yes, so because Mike, kevin, m and Lori, when they went out alone, they went back to a third house. When they came back they were in a third house where that glass never got broken the hell. So because you know, when the whole group left once they came back to a second house that had a got broken. What the hell. Yeah, so because you know, when the whole group left once they came back to a second house that had a broken glass. Yes, and then they all left and came back and now the glass is not broken, jesus Christ.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is easy. What are you talking about? And then Mike comes back and he finds all the pictures they had earlier from the box. So Mike and Lee had all the pictures that they saw in the box. Kevin and Laurie talk in the hallway. They talk about him not wanting to go to Vietnam. They obviously still like each other. Laurie tries to seduce him and they kiss, but he stops it. But Beth is watching.
Speaker 2:Oh Beth. And then the generator goes off Bum, bum, bum.
Speaker 1:Outside they hear some someone smash shoes, car window and they go out to investigate, while outside Emily has a sweet conversation with her boyfriend, before realizing she's talking to a Kevin from a different reality. Then she goes back inside. It's so fucking good, cause it's just, you know, she goes to get her little ring in her car, which will come back to play later. It's like something he won for at a fair. And he's like hey, what's up? And they just kind of have a talk. And he's like so are we good? Is everything OK? And she's like it's like is Lori a problem? He's like no, who knows what she's thinking because maybe in his reality they didn't have that conversation and she didn't try to kiss him. I don't know, I don't know anymore. And then it's just like what was he? It's like this huge car okay. And that kevin's like what are you talking about? Like the car y'all went to go check.
Speaker 1:And he's like I don't know and then they both kind of stare at each other and they're like shit, we aren't the right ones. No, no, you're the problem, yeah but then he runs inside and then she goes inside and sees that her Kevin's in that house.
Speaker 1:So Jesus, um, like the spider-man, all putting fingers yeah, it's like you know you, oh yeah, we see the whole group, but so it's such. It's another like chills point, right, because she realizes shit, this is not the same person she was out there with and then, like coyotes kind of, start the music swelling a little bit.
Speaker 2:The coyotes are in the background which makes it so scary oh, I mean holy shit, dude, so what if they all just could have gotten together in the same house and just had a big party with each other, with With different realities of each other, instead of trying to sabotage?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'd be like all right, y'all cool with just staying together, just us six. It's weird. Maybe let's get to know each other, it'd be fun, fresh and we can talk about each other's realities, kiss yourself.
Speaker 1:Hey, who's president? Did Donald Trump ever run for president? Can we go to your reality? Yeah, so um hugh and amir with blue glow sticks return, because you know they wave their blue glow sticks. This is the point in when they were filming, where they wouldn't let them in, oh yeah. But so then he came in. It's like y'all just wave y'all's blue glow sticks and y'all think it's each other. So they explained that they found two notes at the other house. They realized that there are more than just two realities at this point. God damn it. And they switch from one house to another when they go outside and walk through the dark area Because they're like, well, no, we had two notes. Like, yeah, we had two notes too. It's like I don't know, it's won't get confusing the group. And then also they're like wait a second, that's not the bandaid you were wearing. That's a different bandaid. That.
Speaker 2:I put on your head. Just go like Hello Kitty.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So the group decides to put a random marker in front of their house as the marker they leave as a marker, they leave a random object and photos of themselves in a box and on the back they write down the numbers they get from rolling the dice. So, essentially, so that's the one that they found in the beginning. Yeah, but so it's almost like cause and effect. Right, it's because they found this. They're all like shit. If we're thinking it, they're thinking it.
Speaker 2:So there's just almost like this endless loop of people stealing boxes and putting boxes outside. They all get together and decide to just be to stay inside or just go home. Yeah Right, just like don't go outside ever again. Let's just hang out.
Speaker 1:Well, that's where the personal drama comes in. So they check out their new numbers compared to the numbers from the other house's box which they wrote on the notepad earlier, compared to the numbers from the other house's box which they wrote on the notepad earlier. Emily realizes that the numbers written on this notepad aren't the numbers she wrote on the notepad earlier. She wrote the other ones, I think, in like red or green ink or marker or red or blue marker.
Speaker 1:um, when she asked other people, she finds that lee and beth are the only ones whose memory matches what's written on the notepad, because they're the only ones who haven't left the house since they wrote the numbers on the notepad. So they're the only people that belong in that house. Damn, emily goes. We're all visitors Shit. Kevin and Lori are the only ones whose memory matches Emily's memory since they both, since they're the only ones who have traveled with her the whole time. So Kevin, em and Lori are from the first house. They're the only ones. Hugh and Amir remember a third set of numbers since they switched realities when they switched to the red glow stick house and again when they switched to the current house. So this is the third version of Amir and Hugh that they have met. Mike remembers a fourth set of numbers since he switched realities when he went to go blackmail himself. So this is a second Mike.
Speaker 2:Self-destruction. I love it. What if you said one guy that just kept running willy-nilly through the dark area until he finds a reality he likes?
Speaker 1:Yeah that's what M does at the edge. It's a reality. Yeah, it's like that's what M does at the end. But and then M also. There's a point where Hugh is kind of calculating all the possibility different numbers on his phone and then M's like his phone is not broken.
Speaker 2:It was broken in house one I forgot about that.
Speaker 1:So the situation deteriorates further. When a blackmail note arrives, Mike makes Hugh reveal his phone. They all know that the groups are from different realities. Mike mentions that if there's a dark version of the group, it must be them. It's like I think you guys are all just kind of fucked up a little bit.
Speaker 2:So if his phone wasn't broken, does he have access to the Internet, or is the Internet out everywhere?
Speaker 1:I think the service is still down because not everybody's phone broke. Maybe he sat in a different seat where his phone didn't break, I don't know. So all of a sudden another Mike arrives, barges into the house and starts punching the other Mike, scaring Lori. Mike, fight yeah.
Speaker 1:And so then he like he comes in, he punches him and then the other people come out and he's like shit, this is weird. So he bolts and then, like lori's kind of checking on mike, and then beth starts dripping blood onto lori, who I guess is scared of blood because she's trying to take off her like straps from her dress. Um, and then kevin comforts her and emily's just watching this and is like all right, well, kevin obviously likes Lori. These people are fucked up. I'm just going to get some more wine.
Speaker 2:I'm just going to go out.
Speaker 1:And then she opens the door and she sees another note that Hugh left. So it's a different Hugh at this point, but is it the same?
Speaker 2:note Same note, but it's just like a different version.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so everybody. So it's just like a different version. Yeah, so everybody. So it's just this never ending version of Hughes going there and putting notes on and Amir is taking boxes. So Amir leaves the house and looks through several different houses, finding things are even worse than other ones. There's one where she's just crying and then, like, lee goes to talk to her and she's like get the fuck out of here. And she's like bleeding on her mouth. There's one where two mics are tied up, yeah. And there's one where Lori and Kevin are getting back together and telling everybody that he, like, they're, they're in love. You hear a mirror. You told me she was crazy because I'm and her are dating. I must have missed that. That was where she's just walking through the darkness. I kind of looked up what those situations were supposed to be, so I know a little bit extra detail. Cool.
Speaker 1:Finally, she finds a reality where no one seems aware of the split and there's a happy Emily In this reality. Emily had agreed to go to Vietnam with Kevin at the beginning of the evening and their relationship had stayed strong. She plans to replace this reality's emily, so she goes. She destroys the car window of hue to lure the group outside, and then when m goes to get her ring, she uses the ketamine and suffocates her with it. Yeah, so then she comes. She comes in from, with the with on, like from the door to nowhere Boom, boom boom.
Speaker 1:They're like what are you doing? It's like oh, I had a really good view of the comet out there. They're all like let's go outside. And she's like please.
Speaker 2:Hang on, you're happy.
Speaker 1:Please don't go outside, I could ruin y'all's lives by doing this. So they all go look out. The comet's starting to break up, it's about to be over, and then she's still inside and she notices that the other emily that she suffocated is crawling back in, going to the bathroom to drink some water. So this is forcing emily to subdue her again in a bathtub by hitting her with a toilet tank. Okay, and her ring falls off the tube.
Speaker 2:Okay, I was like wondering what. Why were there two of them in the same room?
Speaker 1:that makes so much more sense yeah, it's because she I guess the ketamine didn't completely knock her out, because you have to use a whole vial.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it must have been really watered down it was watered down.
Speaker 1:So she then heads to the living room and faints. She's like fuck, what a night. I'm out, yeah, what happened? And she just, yeah, she. So she. She wakes up the next morning unable to find her double. Yet everything seems fine. Lee's cooking, cooking breakfast. We see the glass that was broken in house. Two still fine, sitting out to dry. Uh, we see beth coming out of the shower. Like you, okay, I'm so. We're all so happy in this reality, is everything good with you? Um, she searches outside and runs into kevin. His cell phone rings. He notes that the call is curiously coming from emily's number. While listening to the call, he stares at her suspiciously. The end.
Speaker 1:So in this reality, there is now two emily's yeah, so it's kind of like the story she told at the beginning, where it's like I killed my husband. This can't be him, oh yeah, right, that was the whole foreshadowing.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, what if the two Emily's fall in love and they just run off together?
Speaker 1:I was talking to Natalie, I was like I'd be totally cool. I'd be like, hey, come to my reality. We have the same life. Yeah, you can switch out Like, uh, we'll switch like days that we work. Hell, yeah, it's a real twin situation.
Speaker 1:Or I'd be like let's tell everybody I have a twin. You get to palletize with me because I really just want someone like me to be my co-worker, someone competent. Yeah, just want to, just want to know I can trust somebody. I'd probably still find reasons to be mad at myself, like why were you over? There talking to Jason. I want to go talk to Jason, but I can't because you're talking to Jason. But man, that's coherent. That was really cool. That make you feel any better about it.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:There's house jumping. Every time they go out to walk to the other house they go through this black. If they don't go through the black thing, they can come back into the house and not be in a different reality, but they go far enough into it. When they come back they're in a different house. It just turns into like an eyes wide shut situation and it seems like because of the decoherence when they go back they seem to always go into a situation where they perfectly fill out um kind of perfectly replace the ones that left yeah, and it seems like it only gets a little weird.
Speaker 1:Wait, no, because there's times where hugh comes over and does it. I mean, I guess any, anything could happen. I guess there's infinite possibilities, right, that's essentially all this is. But, we're not smart enough to go into that. So at the heart of this movie what's the point of the movie? Comments are scary. You're like I just now understood what the movie was. I have no idea what the point is. Yeah, not really I like comments. I've never seen one.
Speaker 2:Uh, they are cool um, yeah, I don't know I think.
Speaker 1:I think it's just fun, fun thought experiment it's obviously, I feel like m is the main character and like if we just look at what her deal is, like she never makes the right decision and like all her decisions keep leading to worse decisions and it's messing up her life Right, so it's. I think the movie's about confronting your problems are better than trying to take a shortcut. Yeah, that's right. You have to fix yourself. Just not going to a different reality and being the same way that you are is going to fix everything. Right, she may replace that emily, but is she?
Speaker 2:really gonna.
Speaker 1:All the same, she's still gonna have to go to vietnam and she, she obviously does not really want to. So I think it's just about you gotta confront your problems and you gotta, you gotta, make the decisions. It's her problem. She won't make the decision, she just procrastinates until it just falls apart.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what I guess. The point of the movie is really interesting. Yeah, yeah, yeah, good cool, I did it. Time loops yeah.
Speaker 1:So, uh, we'll go to our next category the good, the bad, the ugly, the fine. It's where we discuss the good of the film, something we like. The bad, something we didn't like. The ugly, something that didn't age well. The fine, something that did age well. What do you like about the movie?
Speaker 2:I don don't know, I like the wee-woo of it. Yeah, the wee-woo-iness.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's very trippy, and once you start kind of finding out what's happening as you go, it's very fun. It is fun. I love this type of shit, though. Yeah, it's very much in my wheelhouse. I've watched so many movies kind of with oh shit, what it's like, why I like Lost and all that shit. Right, yeah, it reminds me a lot of the movie Sphere, whenever they find the sphere.
Speaker 2:Have you seen it, I think, when I was a kid? Maybe whenever a person looks at it unless it's a new one their body it's kind of like their body switches into a different reality like their. Their self gets sucked up into the sphere and it kind of like ghosts up and like disappears in it and then they're.
Speaker 1:When they go back, they're completely different people oh shit, is that a recent movie or older? It's an older movie okay yeah, I definitely think I've watched it and I just don't remember it. It was cool, that's what.
Speaker 2:That's what I was thinking, visualizing what was happening when I go through that portal. Yeah, but they also have like dream powers when they come out. I have dream powers. Everything they dream about comes real.
Speaker 1:Oh hell. Yeah, that's awesome for my good. I just kind of put just just a well-crafted sci-fi movie man. It's when they're really tight and well-crafted, they're always good. It's like if you added 30 more minutes to this movie it'd be unbearable. I'd be like I can't handle anymore. You can't keep going to houses, and that's what I love about it. It I love that it's like small, tight and fun and creepy in like, a very like non-conventional creepy way, I don't know. I always love like a mass hallucination.
Speaker 2:That's always fun too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you got anything for the bad not really.
Speaker 2:No, it's just maybe that it was like too confusing for me while I was inebriated.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I should have told you like maybe you should just just go into it fully sober, because I watched it yesterday morning, obviously sober. It was like 8 am and then I watched it with my wife later that night and I was smoking and drinking and I was like I was thinking like, oh yeah, this is where this part happens and that means that they're in this house now. And then I was like wait, but does it. And I was like shit, I'm gonna confuse myself your ball of yarn and tax I was like I shouldn't have thought about it.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna confuse myself tomorrow. Um, I didn't have any bad. Um, I guess, upon like a couple of rewatches recently. Um, I guess maybe I'd kind of like a bit of a different ending. I don't, I don't know why. It's like maybe, maybe I just don't want the movie to end is what I'm feeling it's like I just want it didn't feel like it.
Speaker 2:They had kind of reached a conclusion.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it feels because we left the group and we're kind of I was really into the group, yeah, and like the wackiness of it. But I get that they followed. They specifically wanted to follow one character all the way through from house one to like house six at the end of it. I'd like to see it go further.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Maybe see what else happens.
Speaker 1:Yeah, maybe give them $100,000, see, yeah, maybe see what else happens. Yeah, maybe, maybe give them a hundred thousand dollars, see what they can do. Coherence two yeah, the coherency the re-coherency coherence two electric boogaloo. Um, I don't dislike the ending, though I do just want to put that on record. I do find it still a good ending. It's just like part of me kind of wants something different. I just don't even know what I want.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Cause they're like that. Is that portal closed forever because the comment disappeared?
Speaker 1:When the comment disappears, you're stuck in whatever reality you're in, yeah.
Speaker 2:I want to see some other realities. What's going on?
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, we saw a few, I don't know, but like apparently there's a deleted they dinner party doing a seance. Oh shit, yeah Nice. I guess they probably thought that might have been a little too wacky.
Speaker 2:I don't know that would have been great Summoning a fucking demon.
Speaker 1:That would be coherence too, I feel like Very cult-y stuff. The Ugly, my Ugly is that the director hasn't really had any more projects since this. He seems to be friends with Gore Verbinski. That's the guy that did the Ring, yeah, pirates movies, because he worked on and he also did Mouse Hunt.
Speaker 2:He's kind of just he just worked on.
Speaker 1:he's been like an art department on all of Gore Verbinski's movies Love, mouse, hunt. He wrote Rango, though Nice this director did. I mean, that's pretty much it. And it's just like, dude, you made a, you made a film that people love for only $50,000. How do you not have? I mean, was it really that? It was like a big hit? Actually, I probably wasn't. Just based on, you know, the fact that no one knows about this movie except for, like me. Well, a total gross it made over $100,000. So it doubled his budget.
Speaker 1:it almost it almost tripled his budget 150 000. That's not a lot, though it's a. It's a uh, it's definitely a fan favorite and a kind of a cult hit. Yeah, it is cool because once people watch it they usually like shit, and usually I went through and looked at the one star reviews and it's just people like me, not understand that sounds like me barbarian.
Speaker 1:You want to watch person be. And I was like man, it's like it's in the one. I see that I'm like you're probably just looking at your phone half the time and you didn't see, you didn't hear this one little thing. But because I feel like, with what they I mean, I feel like they did a pretty good job at explaining everything you just have to really be focusing and paying attention. Yeah, um, and so the fine we got for the fine. What age? Well, not dinner parties yeah they never will you're asking a bunch of people to.
Speaker 2:I don't want to see a movie about a normal dinner party. That would suck ass. Yeah, I just don't want to have one?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'd have one. I'd just have to specifically invite certain people that I know to get along Harry Potter themed. Yeah, that'd be sweet. Yeah, I put the fact that, you know, not every fucking sci-fi movie has to have $300 million budgets to be good. Sure, yeah, sometimes, if you just have a good idea, it just works.
Speaker 2:And if you get the right people together, yeah, that's a good one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think that's it All right. So we're going to hit our next category, double feature. It's where we recommend a movie alongside this movie Jason what do you got?
Speaker 2:I was going to say gonna say Bird Box because of the scary darkness, but then you just said Sphere.
Speaker 1:Sphere Also Sphere, but also Donnie Darko.
Speaker 2:That's true. I fucking love Donnie Darko. Donnie Darko is so good and I never really understood the time lapse or the reality switching, until much later in life.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:After watching it as an adult.
Speaker 1:It's just such a really cool, good, moody ass movie. I love it, donnie darko that's the greatest soundtrack I'm gonna say donnie darko and it's like it's the movie. Between that and gears of war, you can't put mad world in any other pop culture thing. Wait what oh? The song mad world it plays in donnie darko, and it's also in the gears of war.
Speaker 2:I didn't know it was in the Gears of War trailer.
Speaker 1:It was like the first games trailer and I just remember like I love this song.
Speaker 2:It's from Donnie Darko.
Speaker 1:And as I've gotten older I'm like man. Those two things are so iconic for those things Can you even use it in anything else without it seeming like a joke. I I decided I can't remember if I recommended this, but I actually watched it either last year or earlier this year. It's a movie called Triangle. Five friends set sail on their yacht and it is overturned by a strange and sudden storm. A mysterious ship arrives to rescue them. What happens next cannot be explained that sounds cool as hell.
Speaker 1:It's a timey-wimey stuff, yeah, but it's. They're essentially getting stalked by this killer. Is it in like the bermuda triangle? Yeah, obviously. Yeah, I love um. It's a really cool trippy movie. The cgi in it is fucking terrible. There's a part where their yachts flipped and they're on the top of it. The water's so fake, it's all so fake, but it's very. It's low budget, but what they get right, man, they get right and they. It twists your mind and it's great. It doesn't 100 work like this movie does, but like the beach, yeah you just get old yeah old the movie where people get old.
Speaker 2:Oh no, it is called old.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's there's a movie called the beach, as has Leo. That's a different movie, yeah. It was written by Alex Garland. Who did you know Ex Machina and?
Speaker 2:Civil.
Speaker 1:War and stuff. That one was pretty cool, directed by Danny Boyle. I have yet to watch it, but I know everything about it. There's also a couple other ones. There's a movie called the Endless. It's a movie called the endless um, it's the movie that, uh, the people that did moon night.
Speaker 2:Okay, I thought that was pretty.
Speaker 1:They did a lot of really cool trippy movies back in the day. Um, there's also time crimes it's a movie that asks what if we did time crime?
Speaker 2:yeah, that that's another movie, general custard didn't?
Speaker 1:Triangle and Time Crimes are kind of those movies. Time Crimes is a foreign film, but it's all about. It's another loopy, doopy fucking thing and it's great. Probably considered the best would be Time Crimes, just from a critical perspective. So if you want to watch something, that's also really good Time Crimes is it like dubbed?
Speaker 1:I prefer, out of all three, the Endless. It's just such my fucking bag dude. The Endless yeah, it's, these people were in a UFO cult and like a videotape gets sent to them and they see it and they're like we want to go back to this cult and get answers and fucking things happen.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I love cult shit yeah.
Speaker 1:All three of these are available to watch, so just look it up and see what it's on that's fucking coherence, baby, that was true, we're all gonna collapse on each other. It's like what if we were able to listen to this podcast while we're recording the podcast?
Speaker 2:because of a comet.
Speaker 1:Well, anyways, let's cut off our balls, yes.
Speaker 2:That'll stop our reality, friends.
Speaker 1:My dog's. Like you already did Too late, Give them back.
Speaker 2:You were off this morning. That was weird.
Speaker 1:All right. So that's our episode on coherence. Join us next week because we can't get enough of God dang the Coen brothers baby. We're doing Burn After Reading. It's so fun and wacky. It's great.
Speaker 2:I love it, they don't make bad movies.
Speaker 1:So it's not really one that people like oh yeah, I love Burn After Reading, but it's one of those. It's kind of my it's not really guilty pleasure Coen brother movie. But like you know, when you think of the Coens you think no Country, fargo, big Lebowski. You know those bangers. I really like the ones that aren't very well known, like A Serious man and stuff like that?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I can't wait.
Speaker 1:I've never seen it but I've heard good things about it. Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 2:It's a wonderful.
Speaker 1:So join us next week for Burn After Reading. We're just not big movies right now, we're just doing these like little small ones, and that's what I love and it's OK. Anyways so join us next week for that, hey, won't you leave us some, you know, fan mail? Send us an email. What do you think coherence is about?
Speaker 1:Like I said earlier link is in the description at the top. You can click on it and text us something. Or, if you're on like YouTube or a platform that doesn't let you click links, our email is at the bottom. We recommend mailbag at gmailcom. Leave us some reviews, maybe in another reality. There's like a thousand of you leaving us reviews. If you could get them all to come into our reality and leave us a thousand reviews, that'd be great. I really appreciate that.
Speaker 1:We'd pop up all over the place and we'd have a bigger audience there's a reality out there where we're on the, we're really successful podcasters, yeah and like, if you are somebody and you don't know us personally and you really like our podcast and you've been listening for a long time, just say hi, you don't even have to put anything in it, just be, like hi guys, cool, we're not going to come.
Speaker 1:You don't have to review us to send us an email. I mean, do I have to get on my soon? As we say, and that's coherence, we're doing this movie next. Everybody's like okay, yep, but anyways, I'd like to thank Joey Prosser for our intro and outro music. You can follow him on X at Mr Joey Prosser. And damn it, this has been the we Recommend Podcast. I'm Jesse and I'm Jason. No, jason, we're splitting up. We're not splitting up, we're just going in two different groups. Bye, fuck that up.
