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The Return of the Living Dead
"Brains!" That iconic cry from The Return of the Living Dead forever changed zombie mythology and created a trope that persists to this day. But what makes this 1985 cult classic truly revolutionary goes far beyond just hungry zombies with a particular dietary preference.
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Hello and welcome to the we Recommend podcast, a movie podcast, where every week, we recommend a movie for you to watch and then come back here and listen to us discuss. I'm Jesse. I'm Jason.
Speaker 2:I'm Dakota.
Speaker 3:How do you kill something that's already dead?
Speaker 2:How do?
Speaker 1:I know, Fred? Let me think it's not a bad question, Bert, because this week we recommend the Return of the Living Dead Dead. Recommend the return of the living dead. So we literally named our cat after the character Bert, because of it's not a bad question, bert. It's funny watching it. This time we always say, oh, that's a good. That's a good question, bert, but it's completely the opposite of what the movie is.
Speaker 2:I'm watching it and I'm sitting here. I walked away and I'm like, oh shit, that's a good question, bert, but it's completely the opposite of what the movie is.
Speaker 1:I was watching it and I'm sitting here, I walked away and I'm like, oh shit, that's right, how did we change that? And then I didn't even remember that it did the whole at the end, where it just keeps saying it's not a bad question Bert, it's not a bad question Bert. And then I'm like, damn, this song goes with this. And then I just kind of started singing it's not a bad question Bert, it's not a bad question Bert. Like come on, that's so good. My biggest thing I immediately want to start this off of right, dan O'Brien Bannon. Right, dan O'Bannon? Anybody recognize that name?
Speaker 3:He's the director. Yes, he is the director.
Speaker 1:Anything you think he might have done, that is a big deal. Specifically right now, he did Yogurt. That's Danon, no, that's Danon.
Speaker 2:So this guy, dan O'Bannon, co-writer of Alien, very specific because it's in the credits of every Alien Earth and that is, the director of this movie, like he was like part of the person who created it or he's doing.
Speaker 1:He's a writer of Alien, the first Alien, so he gets a story credit every single alien show. So every single thing you've ever watched Alien. Dan O'Bannon's been in the credits. He directed this movie. We absolutely fucking love this movie. Yeah, dakota, like I think of this movie. I'm just like this is fucking metal man and you remember we were kind of talking about like vampires or something like over vacation, because we just got back from vacation and I was telling you about the movie Life Force. Fucking Dan O'Bannon wrote Life Force. Wow, it's like space vampires come oh yeah, huh well, now I gotta watch it, isn't it fun?
Speaker 1:it's cool. I was like, oh shit, what a perfect time to do. Can't wait to put in the tags Dan O'Bannon and Alien. You've got to get extra listens. So this movie pretty iconic, Jason. Have you ever seen it until now?
Speaker 3:I never watched the whole thing. I had seen the beginning, when they get gassed.
Speaker 1:What did you think of Return of the living?
Speaker 3:dead. This is insane, just like the zombies could talk yes, that was fun.
Speaker 2:Oh, tar man, this is kind of hilarious I don't know how, first time we watched like because I watched it over here. I missed him like that first time, because when I went back and re-watched it, you missed tar man. Yeah, I don't know what happened. I don't know. I was just like this movie movie is so fucking cool. Because when they were talking and laying traps I was like these are legit zombies, these are scary zombies. Even though this movie when I went back and was looking it up to see if I could stream it, since I couldn't find my physical copy, I was like, oh, this is a comedy.
Speaker 2:I was like okay, I guess I see, because when I first watched it I didn't see it as that. I just saw it as like over the top, extreme.
Speaker 1:No, it's like just go once Frank and Freddy get gassed and then they start getting worse. It's like Frank is like, oh god, just like the entire rest of the movie. And it's just like bro chill out. And then, whenever you know what's her name, the girl like rips yeah she rips all her clothes off and then she starts dancing.
Speaker 1:I always thought it was like, oh, this is kind of like a skeezy, we gotta put a naked woman in it. But then this time, when I was watching it, the way it was all coming together, and then you have the two punks bring out their like road flares. I'm like where the fuck did that? I was like, oh yeah, I forgot this movie's hilarious. I was like this is the most like asinine situation here and we're just like yeah, here we go.
Speaker 3:You got to have some road flares, sir, when some full frontal nudity breaks Right.
Speaker 2:I love the dude who was like I've, it's like hey, have respect for the dead. He has some character depth in him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love that guy. That's why his brain got chewed up.
Speaker 3:I love that. Nobody understands me.
Speaker 1:Trash. This stuff means something what was his name?
Speaker 2:Suicide or something?
Speaker 1:Suicide God. Then you got Scuzz, trash Spider and then Chuck.
Speaker 2:What really sold me on the movie even more was when they get the one that's half decayed and she's like brains.
Speaker 1:And she explains it.
Speaker 3:That was really interesting.
Speaker 2:It did, because, when this is described, I couldn't remember why. And she says we feel ourselves decaying. I was like. And brains I was like. I definitely see why. Now.
Speaker 3:But they don't feel themselves decaying until they get gassed with the acid rain right.
Speaker 2:What's funny is that, out of all the ways that people were turned, the one that looked the most painful was the ones who slowly died and turned into him, which was Freddie and. Frank and I was like you guys.
Speaker 1:I was like, no, just let me be dead already dead cause ugh dude when Frank it's which I have a little more facts about Frank incinerating himself.
Speaker 2:But I was like, oh yeah that was such a such a good scene. I'm like this that was Frank's idea. The actor that played Frank, he's like he was supposed to just join like the people in the rain.
Speaker 1:but he's like, it's like I think he would want to like actually kill himself instead of becoming a zombie, and it was his idea to take the ring off and stuff. And I was like, oh my God, this movie is so good.
Speaker 2:I just thought of my double feature Cause I was going to have to ask, but I'll say so. I don't know how you are with zombie movies. There's not a zombie movies I could watch. This is one of them, along with Dawn of the Dead. Train to Busan oh yeah, that one is good, that's good.
Speaker 2:I always forget about that one because I've only seen it a few times, that one, and I do like I kind of combine them together as one movie because there's certain parts I like about the second one versus the first one. But Resident Evil, the first one I thought was good. Oh yeah, that one's really fun. And then I kind of lose it after that.
Speaker 3:I can't even do top five?
Speaker 2:that I would know.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's hard. What about Zombie Stripper Nightmare?
Speaker 2:No, never see that one I like it to be. If you're going to do something that needs to be like super fun, extreme, like not Return of the Living Dead, because it's still super violent, but it's so funny Well there's a lot of like good foreign ones.
Speaker 1:There's a lot of them that I like are low budget and there's not that many zombies.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's my thing.
Speaker 1:It's tough to like recommend them to you. But yeah, there's like the.
Speaker 2:Battery Pontypool. I've seen Overlord, but it's been a while since I've watched it, yeah that one's good.
Speaker 1:That was supposed to be a Cloverfield movie and then they decided now we'll just keep it.
Speaker 3:It was good enough to be its own thing. That's one time that they decided to do that. The Gopherson Cargo. No I want to, though.
Speaker 1:That's got Martin.
Speaker 2:Freeman and he know what it is about zombie movies. I kind of want like higher quality of them, even though there's a million that are like eh yeah, um, I really like I. It kind of floats around Um, I had forgotten the name of it the one with the morgue and the reanimator, no, so it's basically girl hooks up with dude, dude fucked a dead body and she gets infected and slowly starts turning into a zombie. Hell yeah that's hot.
Speaker 2:You've never seen it, not that I've seen it, it's basically her whole perspective, as she's like getting sicker and slowly turning into a zombie. At one point she like gets a. This is a big spoiler for the movie. I don't think it's an okay movie is. Uh, she goes to hook up with a dude cause. She's like distraught or something isn't her eye all fucked up. No, she goes to fuck and he pulls out maggots yes, I think I have seen that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she's a waitress yeah, something like that, and she like yeah, her eye is like fucking nasty. Yeah, it starts yeah, but I've seen that contracted yes. I've seen that contracted.
Speaker 1:Yes, oh, I actually started watching that and then I was like this is gross. Yeah, I was with a friend and we were just like this. It didn't feel it was kind of wasn't super good at the beginning no, it's an okay, it's one of those. It's like one time watch. It's weird that there's not better like more zombie movies now especially since Walking Dead came out and they didn't really.
Speaker 2:I think it's because of Walking Dead no one wants to make more, because after Walking Dead I think that's when the zombie craze kind of oversaturation with them? I don't know.
Speaker 1:Well, have y'all seen Land of the Dead? That's the sequel to Dawn of the Dead, right? Well, so it's Night of the Living Dead, dawn of the Dead, day of the Dead, land of the Dead. They're all Romero's. He also did Diary of the Dead. I enjoyed that one. He did a lot. There's Dance of the Dead. That one's pretty fun. That's not Romero, but it's like their kids are going to like a prom or something and then zombies break out. I remember when I watched that I was probably in high school or just started Motlo. That one was really fun, I thought. But you know, I don't know if it still is.
Speaker 3:I was picturing disco.
Speaker 1:I went, I had a. I had a this was before Walking Dead I used at Hastings. I used to just go and rent zombie movies. Bad or good, I watched a lot of really shitty zombie movies.
Speaker 2:There's the oversight, so not only with Walking. Also had Zombies and Black Ops, which I never liked, so there's more of that. And then there was another show called iZombie, where she like.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then Warm Bodies. I think we're just Warm Bodies was pretty cool. I actually enjoyed Warm Bodies. I like their concept of what he was. Yeah, this is Romeo, whatever he goes out. Yeah, because it's Romeo and Juliet. Then when he goes out on the balcony and he oh no, like this is kind of funny he goes to be with his friend every day.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I like.
Speaker 1:Nick Holtz yeah, lex Luthor.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean I made a joke, random, off topic. You know we keep our window open so Broly can look and that's his dog Bubby. Whatever he was holding, a girlfriend was holding him because there was a bird out the window and she's like it's just a bird, it's just a bird, and I walked out. It's like he's just like Lex Luthor. He's like fuck that flying bastard over there.
Speaker 1:Alright, I do have some questions for you guys. So do you prefer slow zombies or fast zombies? It's tough, it's very, very tough. So because the original in me says slow zombies are better, especially since my favorite zombie movie is the original Dawn of the Dead, they're slow. And I love that movie. I think I like slow, but then you got like 28 days later and shit and it's just like I think I'll have to go fast 28 days later.
Speaker 2:Thank you, that would be my top five right there.
Speaker 3:That one's so good.
Speaker 1:I mean, 28 weeks later is also good.
Speaker 2:I don't know if y'all have seen that it's been a while since I've watched it. I've been wanting to watch 28 Days, so I could then maybe enjoy 28 Weeks Later, because I remember it not being as good.
Speaker 1:The opening and then when the mother comes back, it's just like some of the best zombie shit I've seen. It's just really good, and you got Jeremy Renner in it, which is nice.
Speaker 2:I think it's because with slow zombies, I'll sit there and think of, like you can kind of outrun them on your feet. And when you add just being able to outrun them on your feet, it kind of takes the fear away a little.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but that's where it's like how the fun parts of that is once you hunker down and they're surrounding you it's like shit.
Speaker 2:I should be able to run away, but they're so insane yeah, they win by horde numbers. What I like about fast zombies is that it could just be one because, if they can, run it literally also zombie lands. Another good one yeah, their whole rule is like cardio, because they kind of run, but they're not that fast.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but if you take it where they can, yeah, but if you take it where they can, you add, you could just make one zombie terrifying. Yeah, sure, I guess what I like about the slow zombies is that even you know, it just gives more flexibility of getting away, which can fighting back, yeah, which is kind of fun, versus when it's the fast zombies. It's usually like we don't fight zombies ever, yeah, you don't have a chance. So, like, what do we do? And it's usually just a lot of hiding in houses, which I guess that's kind of every zombie movie. So I don't. It's usually here's a little bit of zombies, here's the whole middle portion of the thing where we're like, damn, they're still out there. Here's human conflict and then it's the end we got to get out of here.
Speaker 1:So I guess it's fucking Scooby-Doo the entire time, it's just running back and forth the place Because I was watching yesterday I was like this is just Scooby-Doo here with zombies, but it's great, yeah. So do you prefer brain-oriented zombies or just eating for the sake of eating, just flesh, I think, just the flesh. Yeah, this is probably I guess this is kind of the only real one One body. It was pretty if you have like the story that they need to eat their brains for, you know, to make them for like Tylenol. Essentially, it's very fun, I do like that. So you kind of have two sections of this movie. You have medical supply section and you have suburban and gutter trash punks. Um, so what do you prefer? Do you prefer the? I just like the. I like the idea of just calling them gutter trash it's just but the punks or the uh, you know the medical supply.
Speaker 1:Which part of the movie do you prefer?
Speaker 3:because it's very they're very different, the two they are, but because they're also kind of trash too, versus like high school teenagers or whatever they're supposed to be no, I think the um medical supply parts are a little bit. They had a little bit more I don't know. I kind of think it's my favorite part too because you've got the story of the two that are sick. They're also surrounded the two adults are the they're also surrounded.
Speaker 1:The two adults are the best actors. Yes, they're such good actors, especially Bert man. It's just like I looked up some of his IMDb. I was like, oh yeah, he's just been acting forever and he's good.
Speaker 3:I thought for a while that the mortuary guy was, uh, christopher Lloyd Lloyd, because he looks kind of like him yeah, and I thought he was the.
Speaker 1:He almost looks like the guy you know in Happy Gilmore, the guy that's constantly like yelling at Happy when he's gonna.
Speaker 3:I thought it was him.
Speaker 1:Then I was like shit. No, it's not him. There's so many people that look like this guy I actually have some fun facts about. I can't wait. I didn't look at him. His name is Ernie, so the character Ernie is thought to be a Nazi due to him sharing his name with Ernst Kaltenberner. Okay, there are also character details that provide an indication of his past. Ernie listens to German Africa corpse march song on his Walkman.
Speaker 1:While he embalms bodies carries a German Walter P38, has a picture of Eva Braun in his monologue that will do it refers to the rainstorm coming down like inbrechtenschlacht. I can't say it which means a drunk soldier in German. He really knows his way around a crematorium and seems surprised and ashamed when he learns that the dead can feel pain. Dan O'Bannon in the DVD commentary mentions that Ernie was intended to be an escaped Nazi in hiding. Oh, cool. That's cool. Yeah, I never knew that. And then I saw that in one of the facts.
Speaker 2:Oh man, that adds so much to it. When I rewatch that I'm going to be like holy shit, you could see it.
Speaker 3:Talk about transferable skills, yeah.
Speaker 1:He's like oh yeah, I know my way. This fact, Dakota, because it's about physical media. So, in an unprecedented move, a fan of the film started an Internet campaign to get the movie released on DVD. Because it wasn't Going beyond simple fan petitions, Michael Allred created a web page consolidating every bit of news relating to the film and contacted many of the film's principals, including the writer and director, dan O'Bannon. He went on to put O'Bannon in touch with MGM, the studio that owned the film, and work began on getting the film released on DVD. O'bannon and others who worked on the film credited Allard as his campaign for getting the movie released on DVD. Is that not cool?
Speaker 3:That is cool. I would love to be like.
Speaker 1:I got Return of the Living Dead on DVD. I love it.
Speaker 2:It also just makes me mad, because it just makes me realize that the people who distribute physical media, instead of because in my mindset it's like, this is something that, no matter what it is, needs a physical release for later, future generations, sure, but they don't see that. They see it as I ain't gonna make money on that.
Speaker 1:Don't do that, and it's crazy because it's like 28 days later it's you. And it's crazy because it's like 28 days later you can't find it on Blu-ray. I had it on DVD and that's like the only thing that ever got a Blu-ray release. I don't believe.
Speaker 2:Girlfriend was telling me about that. She's like let's watch 28 Days Later. She's like it never got released. And I was like what? And I looked and I was like how has this movie never been released? Yeah, it just got kind of stuck in one of those situations, kind of like Kevin Smith's dogma which is coming to 4K. So I'm wondering, because you know, sometimes movies later on, like Donnie Darko, gets a cult following. I wonder if this movie was like that, or was it very popular when it came out? Nope made money.
Speaker 1:It made money. Yep, I have some thoughts. It actually hurt Day of the Dead. Oh, yeah yeah. So it was partially responsible for Day of the Dead flopping. It's common for different studios to release similar films around the same time, like Armageddon and Deep Impact and the two Volcano movies that happened Dante's Peak and Volcano so they filmed around the same time for competition. However, in the case of the Return of the Living Dead, it was simply poor timing. While the Return of the Living Dead was a surprising success at the box office, george A Romero's Day of the Dead in the same year suffered. At the time, critics were not kind to Romero's film. Plus, audiences were already zombied out after the Return of the Living Dead. While O'Bannon's film brought humor into the mix, romero's film was cold and distressing. Now both films from the 1985 have become staples of the subgenre.
Speaker 2:Day of the Dev. Is that the one I was talking about?
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's the one that's like learning to talk and stuff. I like that one. Yeah, it's a really good movie helicopter chops off the top of his head.
Speaker 2:It is a little slow though, but once they get to the zombie stuff and the effects, even I was sitting here like, yeah, that looks fucking painful.
Speaker 1:Well, all of Romero's zombie films are pretty, pretty slow.
Speaker 2:That was one of those like as I grew up, you know sci-fi and stuff like that had channels. That was one of those zombie movies I remember watching as a kid. As a kid, and I remember one scene that was. It's the scene with, like the the hands through the wall. Uh, go look on it now. It's goofy, I know how to do it, but I remember being as kids like, oh, what the fuck? Cause I used to be my big one of those like irrational fears. Oh really, I always thought it was cool.
Speaker 1:I don't want, just want a bunch of old people ripping at her skin.
Speaker 3:I was like you're gonna die. That's exactly how you're gonna die hold on a minute.
Speaker 2:So I was sitting here thinking it's so cool how, like, if someone gets bit and they eat the brain, they don't get to function anymore. But she did. She's the only one we see get turned.
Speaker 1:That's not by she gets turned into a crazy one. Like her jaw can extend and stuff which is really just cool but I just thought it makes no sense because she should be ripped to shreds.
Speaker 2:I thought the guy who dies in the beginning, who's like I got depth to me because he gets bit, but only a little bit. I thought he was gonna turn. He never turned, yeah. I guess because they ate his brain? Who got bit because they put a spike through one of their brains and it's still going.
Speaker 2:That's another thing that makes the zombies so scary to me, for these is because you can't stop them by burning them. But if you burn them, you spread the disease more. It's like this is the ultimate zombie virus. Yeah, that's what makes the ending so fucking good.
Speaker 1:So let's talk about censorship in film and TV. So in the actual film the back of Freddy's jacket says fuck you. But since the filmmakers knew the return of the living dead would have a life, would have life being played on TV, they couldn't have that jacket. In the DVD commentary, o'bannon stated that every scene with Freddy's jacket was reshot for TV, with the jacket hilariously saying television version.
Speaker 3:So on the back of his jacket it says television version.
Speaker 1:I've never seen this on TV. I really want to watch it now.
Speaker 2:Is that what the that's crazy to think about. Television versions got reshoots and stuff like that, versus now they were just like we just put CGI over it. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And the most popular uh tv edit for a movie is die hard uh, which is like yippee kai yay, I can't, even I can't even remember what I'm saying I've never seen it on tv so I don't know. I saw it once and I was like, wait, what. It was really bad and it was like that's all they could come up with. Um, let's see, I think I kind of shut the front of said most of this.
Speaker 1:It created the brains trope. Of course there's two different versions of. Different versions have different audio. For the Tar man, the most commonly found version features changes from the original version. For example, some of the music is a little different, but the biggest changes come from zombie voices. The iconic zombie known as Tar man features a deeper, more growly voice, whereas in the original VHS release Tar man sounded more high-pitched and gurgly. Even the zombie in radio said more cops sound different. Apparently. I've never watched the TV version so I don't know. And apparently the producers hated running zombies. Um, okay, well, I gave no information about that. Um, the brains are real. They're cow brains. Nice, ooh, yeah, um, and they so. Dan O'Bannon himself even ate some to make the zombie actors feel better about it. O'bannon stated in commentary that he would never make the actor do something he wasn't willing to do himself. This is the first use of animal meat for Gore and Romero's Night of the Living Dead. The charred corpses of the zombies that the zombies eat were pieces of ham covered in chocolate syrup.
Speaker 2:So they were eating the actual cow brains. That's gross. Ew Raw, that wasn't raw, right Yucky what Ew. I need more info here. I know Were they cooked they had to like.
Speaker 3:I don't know, if you cook them, they turn all gray Apparently.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but you could coat it in whatever syrup and stuff. Sure, they had to like I don't know if you cook them, they turn all gray apparently.
Speaker 1:yeah, but you could coat it in whatever syrup and stuff and brains. You're not supposed to eat brains no, it's very disgusting.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's not good for you, apparently I can't remember why, but you can get gout.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying currently, if we had these zombies break out, we ain't gonna have a lot of problems because there's no phone.
Speaker 1:No, because there's no fucking brains anywhere um, one of my favorite elements of this film is kind of the beginning, when they're talking about, uh, the army and how willy-nilly they are with, like their stuff. And it just reminded me that time where you were telling me about how they would just burn the humvees and stuff, like when they're done with them, instead of just like getting rid of them or they're getting stolen and things like that, right, right, you were saying something about that, like in Afghanistan, where They've been stolen.
Speaker 3:I don't know about.
Speaker 2:They would act, they would dress up as like people and then come on and get the cause. I just listened to that episode not long ago.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was crazy, but it's funny. I guess it still kind of has that, because the sentiment for Romero he was very anti-war and stuff like that. A lot of his films his zombie films, are kind of about that either social justice things and like some of his later ones were very anti-war type things and I like that this movie kind of has that, still has that sentiment of like the army is messing with shit.
Speaker 1:That they're not supposed to still has that sentiment of like the army is messing with shit that they're not supposed to.
Speaker 3:so, um, it was just funny because I turned in alley's, like man jason said, kind of talked about how it's like yeah, sometimes the army stuff just get lost or something like that, and they will destroy things just so that, like the enemy can't use it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I thought it was kind of a great thing where, like they have this one colonel who's his whole job is to try to find these barrels, and I was like man, they just there was like a hint of realism to it and I was like I didn't know that until I kind of met Jason.
Speaker 2:Well, here's one thing that cracked me up, which maybe you'll be able to back it up. So I have seen where they. Someone posted that when something says military grade, it's like I've been in the military, we get cheap shit, yeah. And when he says this is grade A military stuff, because everyone thinks it's military, and it hits the barrel and it breaks us Like that cracks me up so much more knowing that, because they always say they sell stuff as military grade and you think it's good because it's all military has.
Speaker 3:It's like oh no, they're fodder. We don't care about protecting Built by the lowest bidder.
Speaker 2:Which makes sense for stormtroopers and why they could just take one blast, because they're cannon fodder. Just give them cheap ass armor.
Speaker 1:Man, I wish there was a zombie Star Wars movie.
Speaker 2:I'd take that Zombies that can use the force.
Speaker 1:They just suck out your brains out of your ears.
Speaker 2:There was a comic that came, or a book story where Vader comes onto a ship and there's a bunch of stormtroopers that are infected with a zombie virus.
Speaker 1:That's awesome. Yeah, I really wish they would make it, I was like don't be cowards, they would just be so cool to watch.
Speaker 3:They have to be fast zombies, though I don't know if you watched Ahsoka, it gets better somehow Anakin's hand and.
Speaker 1:Luke's hand comes back.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna get you dead. Diggy, diggy, diggy.
Speaker 1:Kind of exactly like.
Speaker 2:Evil Dead. Yeah, I would love that, because then it's like I just thought Luke's hand like trying to be evil, and then Anakin's hand coming in, and then it's just like it's good to be with you, brother.
Speaker 1:Alright, guys, do a thumb war. I think we should get into the plot. Before that, I would like the audience and us to think, hey, what's the point of this movie? Does it have a point? Is it just to have fun? We'll find out at the end, so we're going to hop into the plot. The movie starts off saying the events portrayed in this film are all true. The names are real names of people and real organizations. Lol, that's how you know it's lol.
Speaker 2:This is based on real facts and I love people who go to like Blair Witch Paranormal Activity and people who walk out of there and say those poor people, yeah, like, do you come on now they did a really good job, though, with Blair Witch and tricking people, and it was like the first of its kind and you know, as the Internet was just kicking into gear and they're like they had a Web site, they put posters near the towns that they did it and like posters wherever they were, like screening it.
Speaker 1:So it's like, oh my gosh, these are actual missing people. So fun, we'll eventually have to do that. So it's the 3rd of July 1984. Location you need a medical supply. You need it.
Speaker 3:We got it.
Speaker 1:Great name. Yeah, it's perfect. We meet Frank and Freddy. Frank is showing him around. We see him shipping a Skelemon. Apparently, all skeletons come from India. They have perfect teeth, that's amazing, that's actually a really good point. I was like yeah, every time I see a scene of Skelemon, it's always got perfect teeth. I'm like do they put fake teeth in them? I'm just gonna say skeleton no but, Skelemon did he say that. Well, I mean, I just assumed it's. Every skeleton's last name is Skelemon okay it's funny. I love skeletons. These are like spider-mans.
Speaker 2:Okay, uh, well, I was. I was wondering, those aren't real skeletons. They're just like they make fake skeletons, they don't use real ones.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because especially for learning. I was like they don't well, I mean, like you know, medical-ish, like things, like I'm sure they actually use. I mean they have like a body farm in Knoxville.
Speaker 2:I know, but they don't like keeping a skeleton together like that. You don't usually generally use a real one, because it's going to move a lot, you're going to get powder and it's going to wear out. That's why you use plastic.
Speaker 1:I don't know, they might I don't know. Well, I mean, I guess it.
Speaker 2:You'd probably have to screw it and you could probably run the risk of maybe with it getting brittle and you just don't want live material like that just being out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's dangerous hey if you actually work in the medical field and if you know that they're mainly they're actually using, uh, real skeletons or they're using fake skeletons, okay, I'll stop um send us an email at we recommend or we recommend mailbag at gmailcom. Or if you work work on the body farm in Tennessee.
Speaker 2:We are there, yeah, and can we go? Let us know.
Speaker 1:So Frank shows Freddy cutting half dogs and you have Freddy going grrr. And then Frank don't fool around, you're learning.
Speaker 2:I had to turn that off because I was like there was, I just had brawling, there was knocking and stuff and he started getting woke and I was like I'm going to have to fucking mute it because he can't shut up.
Speaker 1:So Frank then shows him corpses that the army uses for ballistic tests. This creeps Freddy out Look alive. We then cut to a group of friends Trash, spider, scuzz, casey, chuck and Tina. They like sex and death. Tina and Freddy are dating. They are going to pick him up because he always knows where the party's at. They just have to wait two hours. I was like, well, we'll get there in 30 minutes.
Speaker 3:Where is he going?
Speaker 1:to fit in the car, exactly as the 80s, they didn't care about seatbelts. Back then, freddie asked Frank what's the weirdest thing you ever saw? Frank brings up Night of the Living Dead. Apparently there was a real incident which inspired George A Romero's night of the living dead, something about a chemical substance, troxin 4-5, which returned dead bodies to life in the morgue. When the army solved the problem, they didn't know what to do with the remaining corpses and sent them to UNITA. By mistake Soon they forgot to reclaim the living corpses from the medical medical supply company. You need a Darrow company. The one which invented and lost control of the substance threatened Romero with a lawsuit If he told the truth to the public. Darrow should have gotten the living corpses, but they only wanted to hide them from the public eye. And I still have a little bit of facts about that situation.
Speaker 2:I love that little story of tying it together. It was amazing. It's like, oh yeah, the movie, it's like it was real. I don't know. I just love the little connection to it that they did so.
Speaker 1:this is a part of some facts. The Darrow Chemical Company that manufactured 245-Troxin-Trioxin in the film is based on the Dow Chemical Company, which in reality manufactured a chemical defoliant in the 1960s commonly known as Agent Orange.
Speaker 1:A 50-50 mix of 24D and 245T. Whatever the fuck that is used to strip jungles in the Vietnam War. Agent Orange was sprayed in Vietnam and gauged town army base in New Brunswick, canada. It caused a lot of adverse health effects and is no longer used, although it is used extensively in New Zealand up till the 1980s, where it was manufactured in New Plymouth and sold under the name Pordon Brush Killer. To avoid being sued by the Dow Company, the makers of Return of the Living Dead created the Darrow, which sounds a lot like Dow when pronounced but wasn't spelled the same.
Speaker 3:So yeah, do you think if there was a big ammonia leak at work that we would just like turn our bodies inside out into like piles of mush? Or we just die.
Speaker 1:I hope I turn into a cat zombie. A cat zombie Because their pee has ammonia. Smell Pee has ammonia in it, I know.
Speaker 2:but your jump there of like when he just talked about ammonia and you said I don't know.
Speaker 1:It smells like cat pee.
Speaker 2:I was like I want to turn into a cat, zombie, zombie.
Speaker 1:It doesn't matter.
Speaker 3:I would watch a sequel to Cats if it was zombies.
Speaker 2:That's how they get infected. Do we see your butthole?
Speaker 3:He's turning. He's turning Like.
Speaker 2:Bird Box. They see the butthole, they turn into zombies. Alright, so.
Speaker 1:Back to it. So Frank asks if he wants to see them the guy in the basement that is Mr Gooey Face Tar man. So they head down to the basement and he shows them the barrels that say Property of the Army. He opens a cover of one and you can see a slowly decomposing corpse of one. To prove to Freddy that the barrels don't leak, frank hits it with his hand and it comically leaks out onto their faces. They end up passing out.
Speaker 3:Cue credits. I love an opening the melting face is so cool, we don't movies don't do that anymore.
Speaker 2:It's like TV shows do it. You know a little something. Then opening and having this is oh yeah, I forgot it, does this, we're in it now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's some like Scorsese, there's some I can't remember. There's some like Scorsese, there's some I can't remember. There's one movie where it's an hour in and then it does the opening credits and I'm like holy shit, I can't remember what it is.
Speaker 3:Is it just an all-good start?
Speaker 1:Some of Scorsese's stuff does that he really likes. It's very kind of 80s and 70s things that they used to do, where it's like you got a portion of your movie that's just like set up and you kind of forget. It's like, oh yeah, didn't realize there wasn't a title screen.
Speaker 2:I just thought of like imagine, which was a great opening in Alien. They didn't have that opening until after the chestburster. They took a break and then just cut away and they're in space and it starts doing the opening tradition it's like imagine having. Then they would be like oh shit, because you had no idea yeah.
Speaker 1:Man Alien. One of the best. Just the reveal of the name. I love that they're doing an Alien.
Speaker 2:It's good, every episode, every episode. It's a masterpiece.
Speaker 1:So yeah, now they're all passed out in the basement. Great, love it. So fun, the crappy slow motion. Sometimes I don't.
Speaker 2:There was another movie, because when I started watching it and all that smoke were following it through the tubes and stuff as it goes through. I don't know why that made me think of like Batman, tim Burton, because I feel like there's a scene where you're chasing stuff down, like where it goes, and it kind of like Final Destination. You're following stuff. I don't know why. I really love that.
Speaker 1:I was like it, see it go through. You know, it's like how I say I love in my movies. You're seeing the process? Yeah, right, the process is fun. You like to see how things start to the finish, right? That's why we like movies.
Speaker 2:Well, it's also like, because normally, how did he get infected? Then they would say but as they're doing their opening intro, it's showing it. This is just cool to see.
Speaker 1:So we see the corpses in the freezer start to move and then we cut to California 4 pm and it's like what are we doing? It's an army officer, colonel Glover arrives home late. His wife, ethel Glover, complains that he's to be available all time. You got like the what's for dinner lamb chops. He's like I had it for lunch. It's like, well, how about you fucking tell?
Speaker 2:me. Yeah, I was like, wow, you're a dick, yeah this guy's a dick and you immediately don't like him. Yeah, because his wife like saw it on her face Just like dude. It's very like Romero, like anti-government sentiment I mean he is like by the books, live that, like I feel like still live that drill life of sure, they're just not out of it.
Speaker 1:It's like, hey, this is a person you don't say I don't care, yeah one also. The government's got to cover their butt, so he's expecting the chaos to erupt sometime or another. Uh, it's clear that he is waiting for the living dead to appear, although they may never have to do deal with it. Ethel complains that the radio equipment interferes with her oven.
Speaker 2:That's funny but I, living where I used to, I had a really weak internet and I had a router. It was across the house like this and I think on the other wall there's a microwave. If it would come on, the signal is so weak it would disconnect me from the internet across the house because it was so weak?
Speaker 1:Microwaves.
Speaker 2:Come to find out that's probably was a really bad microwave Cause, like if it's not properly insulated, that means it's leaking waves to knock off that. I was like, oh, that's not good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I hope you didn't stand in front of your microwave when you let it cook. Why are your balls so huge? I would there's an inside joke about Dakota's balls, which we will not go into.
Speaker 2:So we are back with. I don't know anything about Dakota's balls.
Speaker 1:It's just perfectly brought it up. So we are back with the gutter punks. We meet a new guy named Suicide. Hell yeah, we love Suicide.
Speaker 3:You know that because it's painted on the front of his car. He's the nicest. Oh my God, that's what that was.
Speaker 1:He's the nicest guy named Suicide. That's a punk you've ever met. Even though he's angry about being nice, he's still a nice punk. They only hang with him when they need someone to drive. They are crazy and kooky. They are all different types of people. You kind of got your Tina, the main girl that's with freddie. Uh, you know, she's kind of like the suburban, like girl who just had some weird friends.
Speaker 2:Weird like the diversity in that group, because this is a breakfast club or something, and then you got the one girl that wears kind of the blue.
Speaker 1:Um, I think there might be. I think it's kind of a playoff that's what I was thinking.
Speaker 2:There's so much diversity here. This does does not work. Yeah, and you?
Speaker 1:got the girl with the blue dress on. She's kind of like suburban girl who turned punk, but it's very much got that 80s style to her. You got the just kind of the dunce dude who's just constantly trying to have sex, but it's like you can obviously tell he's kind of suburban. Then you got the two punk rocker guys and then you got spider, who's just like here's our one black guy he's kind of my favorite out all the punks yeah, he's the smartest one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's the best um, but yeah, I kind of really like how they have like a different version of all kind of the same character and the chuck or whatever he looks like ferris bueller yeah yeah, yeah, it like it really feels like they went like, after all, the what's his name, the guy that?
Speaker 3:did. How many tropes can we fit into this car?
Speaker 2:yeah, is his director, named John.
Speaker 1:John Hughes. Yeah, it feels like he's kind of making fun of like all the characters in those movies, which is fun. So they arrive, hang out in a cemetery, so they hang out in the cemetery waiting scuzz has never seen a cemetery before I've never heard anybody die.
Speaker 3:He's like, wow, very privileged the door of suicide's car says why yeah, he's like I don't understand like scuzz.
Speaker 1:He's got like such like I'm scuzz, I'm a punk, I've seen shit, but he's like I've actually never seen anybody die Really scared of cemeteries.
Speaker 3:It's like why are you?
Speaker 1:so punk, then suicide breaks open the gate of the cemetery.
Speaker 3:Man, good thing that's where he gets out his boom box. Yeah, because he's got to have that.
Speaker 1:So the cemetery is trashed and seems abandoned. They turn on some music and Start partying Back in Unita we got it. Frank and Freddy wake up. They look in the barrel and the body is gone. Frank says it must have melted to goo.
Speaker 2:It reeks in there I love. Their reaction of both of them were like do you know, when you smell something really bad and you're trying to get it out, I feel it.
Speaker 1:I can feel that you inhaled body gases Well this is like five straight minutes of them just coughing. I know.
Speaker 2:But the other guy I felt like was more into it, the older guy, just yeah.
Speaker 1:And the way they got, because you know he sprays some Lysol at some point in this. And they took some time to get Lysol to let them use it. But they're like. They talk to Lysol and they're like, hey, your product is so good that it covers up the stench of rotting corpses.
Speaker 3:And you're like, we like this.
Speaker 1:And it makes me want to get some Lysol for our health. So, while stumbling around and barfing, they go upstairs. They don't want to tell their boss, bert, they look incredibly sick and then they hear a dog panting they check it out and the half dogs are alive. So fucking sick.
Speaker 2:Also very confused here. It's like wait, this was a legit body, it's not in a cooler, it was just covered in plastic, taxidermied maybe, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Oh, Even though it had all their organs.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't know, because all that was plastic as a way of housing, does it have to make sense?
Speaker 1:Yes, just don't think about it.
Speaker 2:Just don't think about it, because there's literally a body right behind him in the cooler. I'm so confused.
Speaker 3:I liked all the butterflies. Yeah, oh my God, everything comes to the butterflies.
Speaker 1:I'm like fun, so fun. So they freak Frank starts hitting the dog. They then hear the corpse screaming from the freezer. They then hear the corpse screaming from the freezer. They lock the freezer. The acting in this is just hilarious, I love it because he's like he can't handle it.
Speaker 2:He's like oh God, oh God, oh God. It's fucking like Abbott Costello, it's so funny because he's over the top, but I'm like there's people like that. He's like because they can't comprehend what they're seeing and it literally is destroying their world.
Speaker 1:I probably wouldn't be like the whole time, but he just inhaled gas, my nerves would be shot Like. Somebody would be like what do we?
Speaker 3:do? I'm like I don't fucking know.
Speaker 1:I'm just going to get in a car and drive. I don't know, I'm just going to get in the nearest plane and I'm just flying to another country. So Freddie wants to call the cops, but Frank stops him. He then says they should call the army, but Frank calls the boss instead. I love it because they get into this and he's like okay.
Speaker 2:Hey Bert, this is Frank. He's the perfect person to calm yourself down. Just do your normal routine.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what I really like, this medical supply thing. They're all more seasoned actors, so they're just kind of better actors. I and you know, I felt like I don't even know how much dialogue was written for the kid. Like the kids, it just seems like they're just like panic and just say shit and like they might have a few little things. It feels improv, like the kid stuff, just because it's not the best dialogue you know, it's very, but I think that's also kind of the joke so it is suicide, almost had us soliloquy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love suicide good thing we don't make money from this podcast yet because saying suicide we did if we were like on youtube actually making money?
Speaker 2:we'd have to be, and mr unaliving, I didn't even think about that that's why sometimes I say unaliving instead of suicide. So, yeah.
Speaker 1:Then he calls Bert. Then we cut to Trash, asking Spider does he ever fantasize about being killed and what would be the most horrible way to die? But it's obviously turning her on. She says the best way would be old man surrounding her and ripping her to shreds, pulling her apart with her hands and biting into her flesh. Then she takes her clothes off and we hear somebody in the back Trash is taking her clothes off again. Get some lights. And then she goes and starts dancing on a grave and everybody seems to be having fun. We got road flares for some reason. Hell yeah.
Speaker 1:Guy's car doesn't start, but he does have road flares. I guess that's why he does have road flares I guess that's why he does, maybe first to let everybody know you're in a cemetery. Yes, but this is how do we get a girl to take her clothes off and show her boobs in the 80s? I don't know, she's a damn ass freak.
Speaker 2:Y'all did it wrong. She's like I want to be eating into her life.
Speaker 1:I'm sure that won't come up later, yeah sure I know it's the classic like well, you know how you're gonna die, um, uh, but yeah, it's funny. Uh, buddy boy, uh. So we cut to bert yelling at uh, the two f's, freddie and frank. Uh, bert says he is going to be sued. Now he says they could destroy all the evidence. They talk about destroying the corpse in the freezer. Freddie, how do you destroy something that's already dead, bert? I don't know. Frank, that's not a bad question, bert, it's his line reading. It's so it's kind of sing-songy. That's not a bad question, bert. And then they made it a song at the end. It's just iconic line and I named my cat after it.
Speaker 2:We also like between that one and Bert Macklin oh yeah, that line getting repeated and I don't know what has happened, like because at work something will happen and I'll sit here and just go to myself. More brains, because I do his face too with it.
Speaker 1:It's just, I don't know, it's this movie just fucking ghost. It's horrible.
Speaker 2:It's just, I don't know, it's what I think of when I think of like 80s. I feel like this is a perfect time capsule of the time period and of just the themes of everything, I don't know. It just encapsulates the 80s for me and the way it is Like this is over the top, but it's so fun to watch and it just it feels so free, creative, I guess because what they do with the zombies to like all the zombies we watch. So I watched that movie with you like a few years ago and I was like this is amazing, how have I never heard of this? And like introducing the brain thing, I was like that gives a reason for the zombies. It's just amazing.
Speaker 1:Well, because the 80s had a very heightened reality to their filmmaking. Everything was always big and ridiculous and they kind of even led that into the 90s. Like, if you think about all the teen drama, party movies and stuff, they're always like really kind of like very 90s style, where it's like, oh, we're kind of crazy. And you kind of lose that in like the 2000s Because it started doing.
Speaker 1:CGI, so it started looking fake. Well, if you think about it, it's like because we're kind of talking about like Can't Hardly Wait and like very Gen X movies, and for us it's like Superbad, which is all our kind of bombastic and crazy movies were kind of just more improv movies, like Superbad, you know, knocked Up and all that where it is kind of ridiculous, but it's not. The acting's better, yeah, versus, like in the and like the ideas aren't as crazy, they're just more funny. But in this they're like blah kind of all the time. I don't know, it's just it. It's just. It's kind of the fun part about this podcast. You just kind of get to see the different types of genres and how they transform throughout the ages. I want to do a whole month where we just do Gen X 90 movies. Oh nice, because I actually have a pretty good set now for them.
Speaker 3:Some things I hate about you.
Speaker 1:Well, it's going to be like probably Can't Hardly Wait, go. We just watched that last night and it has a very similar the way it goes to the plot.
Speaker 2:I can't remember the way it's the one that like gets cause, so I've never seen that that's a parody off a lot of stuff, right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like a lot of things like from not another team movie comes from that and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:I was trying to explain to the girlfriend about that. She was like. I was like, oh, that's where this is from. And she was like this is where it started.
Speaker 3:And.
Speaker 2:I remember telling her watching I was like this is the quintessential thing, like this movie came out. Then they started really making fun of the movies, yeah.
Speaker 1:And another two probably end up being singles in reality bites, two very Gen X movies. Anyways, let's get back to the movie. So Bert says they need to destroy the brains. They prepare to kill it. Frank has to hit it with a pickaxe.
Speaker 3:It's crazy.
Speaker 1:And.
Speaker 2:Frank is like just crying like crazy. The main valid reason he's like. I got to stab this person in the head and he's alive, yeah.
Speaker 1:And then this next part happens. So they open the door and a yellow not even fully painted yellow man comes out and he's bald and he runs straight for Bert. Why do you think he runs straight for Bert and skips the other two humans? Because they're turning into zombies.
Speaker 3:So he went to the most human person.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I kind of realized it this time. I was like, oh yeah, he skipped those just because they're turning into zombies Because I was like, why did he go for him first? Dan O'Bannon is a smart screenwriter. In his ridiculous ass movie he's still smart. Frank and Fred hold him down and he spikes him in the head and the corpse is still alive. So Bert starts to chop his head off. Frank's like oh yeah, hurry up. Then he's like be a man, frank, be a man.
Speaker 2:I'm sitting here like, well, he got a valid reason, yeah, but when he gets spiked in the head and he's still moving that's when I first watch it's like they're fucked.
Speaker 1:And the sounds it's a very like. This is a real situation, Like all the sounds kind of at this point were kind of stressing me out a little bit.
Speaker 2:All the screaming.
Speaker 1:At this point I'm like there's been like 10 minutes of them screaming. I'm like I started getting on edge. My dog starts whining every 10 minutes because it's raining outside, deciding what to play, and I was like I'm kind of getting stressed.
Speaker 3:I got stressed out whenever, after you find out that they're in pain, and then they're constantly screaming, I was like oh, makes sense.
Speaker 2:Everyone's screaming. The whole time I was like, oh, it's meant to keep you on edge because it all happens within a night.
Speaker 1:It's like if you look past the flaws some like zombie movie.
Speaker 2:That's why I like it.
Speaker 1:It's very good. So yeah and yeah. So Bert starts to chop off the head. After cutting the head off, the body starts running around in so much chaos they tie the corpse up with ropes and apparently the movie got it wrong. Brains you can't just destroy the brains, that's nuts.
Speaker 2:Yeah, how do you stop?
Speaker 1:Ah, destroy the nuts.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:So Bert comes up with the idea to burn the body at the crematorium Across the street. He is friends with the owner named Ernie. To move it, they gotta cut it up though. So the gang is still just hanging out in the cemetery Trash is still naked. Suicide is complaining that nobody understands him as like.
Speaker 3:Trash is just humping the shit out of his leg.
Speaker 1:Trash is rubbing up against her. He pushes her away, telling her to show some respect for the dead. Yeah, be considerate. You see this? This means something. It's just like high school edginess, you know. It's just like little shitheads that are probably going to grow up, have normal jobs or they'll just work in a gas station. It could go either way.
Speaker 2:It's funny when you get older and you start to see that and you're just like, ah, teenage angst.
Speaker 3:So, much hope for the future.
Speaker 1:Casey sees Freddy from a distance, but Chuck doesn't think it's them. We meet Ernie, who's embalming a corpse. Freddy, bert and Frank sneak up on him while he's listening to his headphone, and then he pulls a gun out on him. I love Ernie. He's a great actor too. Like okay, burton Ernie, exactly, you beat me to the punch, I had it in my line. Burton Ernie starts some small talk after living with each other for a few years on Sesame Street.
Speaker 3:Instead of a gun, he pulls out a rubber duck.
Speaker 1:So I just want to say so this is probably some of my favorite shit right here when it's just Bert and Ernie Hilarious Just talking with each other. The acting in this scene is fucking fantastic. The way Bert is trying to like, slowly build into, like by the way, we got to cut up body here he is so fantastic and Ernie's like reactions to him and him just being like, you know, talking to him through the rigor mortis thing and just kind of being like so what are you here for, Bert Like what are we doing, Like?
Speaker 3:I know you're here for something.
Speaker 1:And it's just, it's just like wow, there's like an actual great piece of art here.
Speaker 3:That's why you got to preserve as much as you can. I like to. Ernie was just kind of not even phased by his friends showing up with body parts.
Speaker 2:Well, that's why he explained more about his backstory. He's like well, I've done.
Speaker 1:This actually is crazy.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, bert and Ernie, they start with some small talk. Ernie explains rigor mortis, which is very fun and like the technique where it's like, hey, a lot of like our business is actually word of mouth, you know, like talking about how you have to like flex their bones to help with rigor mortis or like get rid of it. Bert asks Ernie if he can use his crematorium. He tells him that the trash bags are full of rabid weasel. Ernie says they should just take them to the bow and he says it's too cruel to kill the weasels alive. And I'm like, yeah, you guys didn't think of that, you know. But how else do you explain why the bags are moving? Bert decides to just tell him. So he opens up a bag and an arm grabs his leg, ripping at Ernie's pants.
Speaker 2:I love his reaction in that moment because he's literally like I felt like it was like what the fuck?
Speaker 1:He goes and sits down and they all walk around and it's like a very real feeling reaction to it, which you don't expect in this movie, because if you had the kids react to it in the other part it'd be way over the top. So Ernie is very spooked by this. They have a long story to tell him. Then we cut to the gutter punks Chuck has a crush on Casey. Casey tells him to choke a chicken. Tina notices it's almost 10 and goes to see Freddy. She rings the bell but nobody's there.
Speaker 1:Then we're back to. Ernie is on board with burning the corpse, so it wants something in return. We don't know what yet, but he agrees to burn it. Here's the thing. And then I love that this is a very slow moment. But he like goes and cuts he hasn't told them whether or not he's gonna do it and he's like starts cutting his pants and they're all kind of like on pins and needles and he's like all right, cut my pants off, let's go. It's like, damn man, it's like I don't know. I just really like that moment because it's like, oh, ernie's just down for shit that's great.
Speaker 2:Prequel movie Ernie when he was a Nazi. Oh God, no Zombie Nazis I actually hate that.
Speaker 1:I know he's a Nazi because I'm like I really liked his character and now it's just like fuck, yeah, well, I hate you now. So Ernie tells him he everything and apparently the hardest part is to burn is the heart, because it's just one tough muscle that's so squishy. They throw and then they're like all that will be left is ashes. Like Ernie, we don't even want ashes. Like I'll turn it up some more then.
Speaker 2:I'm pretty sure. And then they leave Just because I know about whatever. We were watching about crematorium and oh, it was chimp crazy that made a show. Oh, it was Chimp Crazy that made a show. Oh, they talked about crematoriums. It's like, yeah, bones don't go away, you have to grind them up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it has to be like a certain temperature, like 400 and something degrees or 600, something like that I don't think they go away.
Speaker 2:You have to like when you scoop it out you're scooping out chunks of bone and you still have to put it through the grinder to finish making it fully dust, because there's still big chunks of bone Sounds like a good job for an intern. Yeah, yeah, a kid who has. I love that when he comes up and they're hiring this kid and they're making him do stuff and he's like have you ever done this? He's just telling him phrases like I think you need some medical training for the stuff you're about to have him do.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Do y'all ever kind of wish that you were like a mortician at one point or something to do with my wife also thought of that. Just like man, I just get to not hang out with people and just I do like the ones that I know, I've known I like their dark humor yeah, I mean you have to yeah it definitely changes your worldview, because then you start seeing people as what they are their parts and stuff, because when you work with it you get desensitized to it.
Speaker 1:I would just struggle like, because you know a lot of them also like are part of like the funeral aspect of it sometimes.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no I don't want to do that.
Speaker 1:That would be the hard part, because I'm like I couldn't be around all the sadness all the time, Because you don't want to get desensitized. A ton of smoke goes into the sky and it starts to rain, Uh-oh.
Speaker 2:That was crazy, this most advanced disease. The lightning yeah Pretty good effects, pretty good effects on that. I love it because I didn't expect it. When you first watch it, it's like oh, shit.
Speaker 3:That's how the zombies wake up.
Speaker 1:So then we cut back to the teens. Do you think they?
Speaker 3:do that at the body farm? Is that how?
Speaker 1:they make them. It's like we just plant some skeletons and then new skeletons grow.
Speaker 3:It's like Death.
Speaker 1:Stranding, where you got the chiropractic hands coming out of the ground so the teens run back to the car. We see smoke coming from the ground as the rain hits acid rain baby cause.
Speaker 2:Like when I first watched it I was like why are they freaking out from some rain? They're punk kids, they shouldn't really care that much. And then when they get in there, they explain it and I was like ah, makes sense.
Speaker 1:It's getting wet and so, like their skin starts burning. They're freaking out. They run back to the car and they have to put up, like because it's a convertible, they put the roof back over and as the corpse burns more, we see the inside of the cemetery as water leaks into a coffin. And then we cut back to Ernie. Ernie tells Bert everything is burnt up. Bert is happy, but Freddy and Frank, they look dead. Bert says he will take them to hospital. Frank then freaks out, saying he needs to go now because he's got to see his wife. Ernie calls an ambulance to get them. It's like kind of sad because I think Frank knows that he's about to die.
Speaker 1:He knows that he's dying and he wants to see his wife for one last time. Yeah.
Speaker 2:That's why his ending scene makes it so much more. Once you realize that.
Speaker 3:Hurts. Why did the EMTs immediately take him to the hospital?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, they were like sitting here like I don't know what we tell them. Hey you're dead?
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, you just drop them off and you leave.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So the gang minus Tina are still in the car. Then they hear something. We get a shot and hear people screaming in their graves. Then we see corpse crawling. Tina, who is in Unita, we got it Is walking around calling for Freddy. She finds his hat. She goes down to the basement to look around. She hears a noise and then the most gooey-est ooey-est zombie comes out calling out for brains.
Speaker 1:It's so good. Gooey, goofy, creepy shit, Love it. I love how wobbly he is when he walks. He's like ugh, and it's so wet. It's just like I want to hug him and then take a shower after this.
Speaker 2:I love when they do move, because you notice when they're fighting him later on there's two versions of it, of the creature.
Speaker 1:They had to have two versions because there's one dirty yeah, one in the suit and one that's kind of like that was. So I don't know, I can't remember what the note said, but they had to have two different versions one like super gooey and one that's like easier to walk around in. Yeah, here, walk around yeah, um, so yeah, then the uh tina runs away. She tries to run upstairs, but hey, they talked about earlier in the film. Watch that third step. That's a bitch. Throughout the entire movie they talk about that third step.
Speaker 2:I love that she fell all the way through it. All the way through, yeah.
Speaker 1:And then so she runs into a locker and kind of stays in there and she holds it with a bar. The gang decides to run till you need us. We're getting very Scooby-Doo-y here with them. While the I put Gooby zombie, I meant Gooey is apparently able to think and is going to use a chain to pull open the doors for Tina.
Speaker 2:Awesome when I because all my previous things with zombies are usually they're stupid, yeah. And when he sits there and starts doing that, he's like, oh my god they're intelligent.
Speaker 3:He sits down with a cup of tea and crosses his legs.
Speaker 2:He just looked at it like huh, immediately figured it out, they still have brains and think about how old that zombie probably is.
Speaker 1:And he immediately was ready to yeah, so yeah. Then the gang decides to go into Unita.
Speaker 1:We got it, While the goofy zombie or gooey zombie is apparently able to think and is going to use chain to pull open the doors for Tina. The gang hears Tina screaming and they go to rescue. As they get into the basement, suicide immediately gets his brains eaten, yeah. And then like the other crew, like opens it, more brains, love it. They're here, door dash, yeah, here, door dash. The zombie then goes after the rest of the group, including Tina who is with them. Now we cut to an ambulance arriving. The paramedics look at Freddie and Frank. They tell them that they have no vitals, no heartbeat or anything. They're dead. The medics are stumped. They're like I guess we should probably get you guys out of here, right?
Speaker 3:No, no, no, We've got to figure this out first.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I do really like, when they come in, they perform their little blood pressure test and they're like, well, our machine might be broken, so let's switch. And they do that. And then they're like, hey, let's go talk with them real quick.
Speaker 2:What are you saying? I always like to see certain tech. You see Process. It's a bit of a process and how different it was, because when they're using the thermometer, they got that huge machine on the other side attached. It's like, let's think of it now.
Speaker 1:It's literally like you can watches can almost tell your temperature now, yeah, so yeah, then we cut back to the Scooby gang and they are freaking out. After barring the basement door, they run back outside to go to the mortuary, but get stuck under a mausoleum. They are then see a rad skeleton emerge from the ground. He's like and I love that the music starts as soon as his mouth opens like brah da, da, da, da. Oh, that skeleton, one of the top skeletons, that really exists.
Speaker 1:It just makes me think Evil Dead you got that and then probably the next best one would be Army of Darkness. Oh yeah, because they have a lot of really good Skelemons in that. I said I would stop saying Skelemons, you can't, so can't. I love it, I love the word. So, yeah, they run back in. They see the Skelemon. He emerged from the ground. It's like hell yeah, chaos ensues, trash gets separated Because I. Chaos ensues, trash gets separated because I love. There's this one part where it's like very flooded now in the cemetery.
Speaker 1:Tina falls and is in the falls into the puddle and she's instead of just getting up and running away, she's like splashing, like, and they like pick her up, and then trash gets separated from everybody and then she gets she's just like, ah, my skin.
Speaker 1:And then all of these old people come and rip her apart. Oh no, it's just what she wanted. And then we'll see her a little later. The medics tell them they're essentially dead but still conscious. Suddenly, the gang starts bashing on the door. Ernie lets them in. I will say, kind of this part it's a little bit too much chaos. It's the running around, everybody's just screaming, I, everybody's just screaming. I'm like low point movie. Just for a second, sure, but it's only Scuzz, spider and Tina, they tell them. They tell him that dead people are coming out of the ground. Casey and Chuck are being chased to Unita. We got it by zombies yelling for brains. The medic are outside and you hear people screaming in pain. They get in the ambulance and turn on the light to meet with a bunch of zombies.
Speaker 3:Love that scene they get eaten.
Speaker 2:That was awesome so more said more it's funny when they walk out because they're like, okay, we gotta get these guys going, and then they hear people screaming. It's like when you get those people together, it's like you got people who are literally dead in here yeah, um, so I guess when Downs.
Speaker 1:Well, I'll get to it a little later, when we get to our categories. The three tell Bert about the zombies. Casey and Chuck call the cops, but a zombie jumps through the window. Ernie and Bert decide it's time to leave. Tina is reunited with Freddy. Ernie goes outside to his car. He sees the ambulance empty and then sees one of the paramedics getting his brains eaten by a small person zombie.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, it wasn't a small person, though.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it wasn't a small person though.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was supposed to have his legs chopped off.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think so and then when he cuts away, he's running. Yeah, it was hilarious.
Speaker 1:So the group tries to call for help, but the lions are dead and they hear zombies trying to break in all over. They bar up the place to keep the zombies out. We bar up the place to keep the zombies out. We cut to the zombie, eating the medic's brains, though then one of the zombies requests more paramedics Bring hot sauce. The gang successfully boarded up all the rooms. Spider says they have to go. Tina decides she's just going to stay with Freddy and Frank. They go back to the embalming room. The teens want to know what happened. He tells them that you know what happened. He tells them that you know smoke. Everything came back to life. Freddy, frank, they did, they did it live. Freddy says that he is stiffening up. Ernie seems curious and tells him he is going into rigor mortis Kind of crazy and probably the most terrifying thing that could probably happen to you right While you're alive.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you're just like oh wait.
Speaker 1:I'm going into rigor mortis as a live person.
Speaker 2:Because nothing's moving normally anymore. Yeah, it's kind of like having scurvy right.
Speaker 3:You get locked. You already can't move your jaw anymore.
Speaker 2:Isn't that tetanus?
Speaker 3:Yeah, probably the same thing I don't know suddenly they hear sirens.
Speaker 2:It's another ambulance. And as soon as they get out they are immediately attacked they're smart they wait more paramedics suddenly they're like.
Speaker 1:Suddenly they hear a zombie breaking through the boards and almost completely decompose, grabs, scuzz and bites his brains.
Speaker 3:The biting of the heads, and brains squirts out blood all over the place.
Speaker 1:So brutal man, it's great grabs, scuzz and bites his brains. Ugh, the biting of the heads and brains. So brutal man, it's great. Suddenly they hear oh, artie said that Ernie stabs the corpse and takes it for examination. He wants to know what it wants. He asks his questions, ernie, you can hear me. Half woman, yes, ernie. Why do you eat people? Half woman, not people. Brains, ernie. Why do you eat people? Half woman, not people, brains, ernie. Brains only half woman, yes, ernie. Why Half woman? The pain, what about the pain, the pain of being dead? Shit lady Laughing surprise to his friends. It hurts to be dead. I can feel myself rot Eating brains. How does that make you feel it makes the pain go away.
Speaker 2:Love it so rad, such good lore. I love it.
Speaker 1:It's truly what makes this movie fun, good to fun great.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:So Bert and Spotter and Ernie try to come up with a plan. Bert says they can only burn them. Then we see trash arise from the mud and is back alive sexy as ever didn't eat her brains didn't like eat anything. She's like super. She's completely white. Her mouth is a little like. She's almost like you know how you'll have like vampires. Then you have like the main vampire who's like really like grotesque extend out extra really could cool touch her because you know it's like of course she's gonna be iconic.
Speaker 2:She's a naked woman through the whole movie, but it's like you think this movie can't get any more rad yeah, it's like oh, that was a really cool. Lore bit makes it like this is a good movie of fun because she's rock mountain music playing.
Speaker 3:She's sitting there just walking around like what is happening. I'm so down for it.
Speaker 1:It's sultry, it's all good, so, great so we see a homeless man walking around and Trash walks up to him and bites him. She's completely pale and face looks kind of monstrous. Casey and Chuck are still in Unita. We got it Waiting for rescue. Casey, chuck, I never liked you, oh, but God hold me tight.
Speaker 1:So this is a weird little line. Bert wants to contain Frank and Freddie. Tina doesn't want to do it. They are going to put them in a chapel. Any little movement is agony for them, though, as they scream while being moved. Yeah, I screamed a lot. Yeah, they're all bruised up. I feel like their throats probably hurt after this movie, right?
Speaker 2:Oh, my God, I feel like their throats probably hurt after this movie, right? Oh my God Jesus, I try and think I was like well, who knows how many toxins your body's probably releasing in that moment and they're able to feel stuff yeah.
Speaker 2:I was like it's I always try and think of like irrational reasons, because zombies, realistically, when you start to decay like you can't work. So I was, like well, sit here. Like well, maybe right now this is happening to their body, this is happening, there's a king, so no more toxins. That all the because when you die, all those toxins come out and that's why they're in pain so much.
Speaker 1:Yeah, just love to think about it. What would have made a? What was the movie we said about the, the Romeo and Juliet zombies? What did we call that? Warm Bodies, warm Bodies. That would be the only thing that made that movie. That made it a lot better, if all the zombies were like ow, I love you. Ooh, it hurts.
Speaker 2:I guess something's got some rigor mortis for you.
Speaker 1:The point of that movie is that love can bring the dead back to life.
Speaker 3:I don't know what was it? The people who made it wasn't Clerks, but it was the one that came after Clerks, where the woman had sex with the dead man in the bathroom.
Speaker 2:Oh, that was, didn't bring him back to life. You know what I'm talking about? Uh-uh, so it's Rosario Dawson's character. I thought Clerks 2?
Speaker 3:Maybe no, it wasn't Clerks 2. It was called something else I can't remember.
Speaker 2:It wasn't. I remember that scene, like he was supposed to go on a date with her and she's like, oh, you came in the bathroom and stuff and you know, did stuff, and it was just, the guy went in there and died and the lights are off. Whoa what, yeah, and she's like going to the hospital cause they're. She's like, yeah, she's going to a mental.
Speaker 1:How have I missed this movie?
Speaker 3:It is, it's a small part of the movie.
Speaker 2:I'm pretty sure it's Clerks. Like one of the two Clerks it has to be.
Speaker 1:Clerks 2. But she's like I don't remember that happening to Rosario Dawson. That was the first DVD I ever bought in my history of my life was Clerks 2. Jason's looking it up.
Speaker 2:He'll get us worse. Putting her face on I don't really remember either was like the donkey show and stuff right also has the ABC musical at the top of the thing.
Speaker 2:I love that movie it was funny cause my, I was kinda not in the mood for it and my girlfriend's way of getting me to watch it is like he's got Rosario Dawson and I was like, okay, get to see her, get to see her boobs. And I was like, okay, you can put it on and I'm sitting here waiting for the scene. And then all she's just doing is dancing around and she's got a tank top on, yeah. And I looked at her and said, is that what you were talking about? She's like yeah. I was like that's not.
Speaker 1:You would have to watch the movie Alexander.
Speaker 3:Fuck, I can't find it.
Speaker 2:I don't know what it is Rosario Dott or Clerks.
Speaker 3:I, we'll figure it out at the end.
Speaker 1:We'll message it up. So the cops arrive at the mortuary, they get out to look around and get bombarded by tons of zombies. Then a zombie gets on the radio and says send more cops, love it.
Speaker 1:Ernie, bert and Spider are still trying to come up with a plan to get out. Ernie comes up with an idea to use what type of acid? Hydrofluoric, some sort of acid but they don't have a lot of it. It's just a tiny little jar. Freddy and Frank are just screaming in pain and finally die for one second and then immediately act like zombies and go after Tina. Bert, ernie and Spider come in to save her. Ernie uses acid and it stuns Freddy and blinds him. I love the part where Tina's kind of talking to Freddy and it's just like I want brains it's like the transition to it was great.
Speaker 1:I think it was chasing him, oh really, yeah, I don't remember that part, what? So we'll get back. We'll figure that out, I'll have to rewatch that movie. So Freddy and Frank are just screaming in pain. So they save Tina and take her to the back.
Speaker 1:The half body on the table just starts yelling brains. Then they hear more zombies breaking in through the door. While barricading the door, ernie hurts his ankle and can can't walk. They decide it's time to go for the cars. Freddie breaks down the door, but he is blind. Bert is gonna run to the cop car along with Spider. Then they will pick up Tina and Ernie. Um, ernie, that favor, you asked for me watch your ass out there. It's like damn damn so. Spider and Bert make a run for it. They make it to the car and drive to pick up Ernie and Tina, but the car's completely covered. I mean, this plan had no shot from the beginning. Bert decides to split. You got Tina and Ernie.
Speaker 2:Tina's like they're leaving us. How could they do that Ernie of like we got to go back for them, and then they try and go?
Speaker 1:back to get them. It's like, well, they're fast zombies and you're not moving very fast.
Speaker 2:This is the most realistic way. It's like we'll get to them later.
Speaker 1:They're safe where they're at and Ernie's just like. This is what they got to do, Tina, there's nothing we can do about it. Run into a ton of zombies on the streets because shit's gone, Shit's real now. Eventually crash into you. Nita, we got it. They are reunited with Chuck and Casey. Freddy is still going buck wild looking for Tina and Ernie. Tina Just smashing every single thing. They're just like all right, you can't see. So how about you specifically find everything breakable and hit?
Speaker 3:it, he's a red flag.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they decide to hide up in the attic. Freddy runs in just as they get out. He looks rad. We cut to Frank who's in the crematoria. He turns it on and hops in. So sad because he gets in there and you got like this song playing. That's kind of like a little bombastic and it's kind of sad. You see, opens up the turns on the fire, it's taking off his rings, places it to the side, pulls out the thing, gets in it and then, just like, pushes himself in, closes it up. He's not screaming yet. And then it cuts to the front of the door and it's like well, I like Freddie, I like Fink, he was a good guy, one of the best guys I ever met. So we like flank he was a good guy, one of the best guys I ever met. So we cut to the cops arriving a shit ton of cops, every cop in town and as soon as they get out of their cars they're ambushed. So you got the zombie cop just waving them in it's so good.
Speaker 1:Um, a police helicopter sees all this. Burt needs a phone and the only one left is in the basement. But Burt says he's gonna knock the head off the gooey guy. They're back with Tina. Freddie is pleading for her to come out because he can smell her brains. Burt and spider released the goo zombie and Burton knocks his head off. They run down to the basement. It's kind of like damn, he was that easy to kill.
Speaker 2:I mean he is like bone and stuff.
Speaker 1:I know it's like man none of y'all, none, none of y'all could have just hit that guy's head, huh. So Bert calls for help. He pleads with the cops to get him. Suddenly all the zombies leave the cemetery and start attacking the cops. No help anytime soon. Essentially, bert decides to call the number on the side of the barrel. Also, I skipped the part where they eat all the cops. One guy's send more brains.
Speaker 1:One of cops, one guy's send more brains one of the best parts. So then we cut to. So burt calls the number on the side of the barrel. Then we cut to, uh, colonel glover, who is put in touch with burt after he receives the info, a bunch of what did you do and what happens, because that's what he's. What'd you do then? Okay, and then what happened? So then what did you do? And then what happened when you did that, how long did that last? How did that last? And then what did you do? So, after he receives the information, he goes to a room of computer, he talks to his commander. We cut to a man who receives order and coordinates one of the worst actors in the movie yes we see a missile.
Speaker 1:he's like what is this guy, 18, about to fucking launch a nuclear missile?
Speaker 2:I love the way they also launched the nuclear missile in a giant mortar. I'm like what are we doing here?
Speaker 3:That's the reality of it. The people who are taking care of our nukes are just kids.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but isn't it a missile that gets shot, not something that gets loaded into a mortar? Those don't shoot that far.
Speaker 1:It seemed like it was in random, like Colorado or something right? Well, you have to have that.
Speaker 2:For something like that, you usually have to have it in the same state and I was like that thing's nearby.
Speaker 3:They were preparing for this place.
Speaker 2:I guess it would make sense Cause if they knew cause around that area and I didn't know, it also took place in Louisville a missile launcher preparing to launch a nuclear warhead.
Speaker 1:It gets shot. We get a still shot of zombies and then we see a mushroom cloud at 5.01 am and only 400, 4,000 dead. We learn we hear Grover saying everything is taken care of and that it was pretty successful for what they just did, and that the rain is taking care of the fire but also burning people's skin. People's skin, but it shouldn't be that big of a deal.
Speaker 1:We don't have to worry about it anymore, and it repeats yeah, the rain will take care of it, the rain will take care of it. And then now the virus is spreading everywhere, more zombies awaken and then we essentially see everything like the same shots from earlier, when the acid was raining down on the guy with the shoes. And then one more time, the best skeleton in the world comes out. He's like yeah, you can't get rid of me the end, so what is the point?
Speaker 3:of Return of the.
Speaker 1:Living Dead Mine is government oversight. It's kind of what all the zombie movies are. Well, some of them are about racism. Some are about government oversight. This one is about I don't know. I think like our fear of what the government may be. Well, some of them are about racism. Some are about government oversight. This one is about I don't know. I think like our fear of what the government may be doing to people and the experiments.
Speaker 1:What are they forgetting about? And how much they like their experiments, how much they don't know what is going to happen with what they're just sending out and using on people and things like that. I kind of think that's probably what the heart of it is, and the other part is fucking brains maybe I don't know if there's really any more.
Speaker 3:There's probably not actually any point, just to have fun Whenever, whenever, like a big project and gets canceled. What do they do with all the stuff?
Speaker 2:Yeah, what's the reason it got canceled it? It worked and we couldn't control it.
Speaker 1:We had an outbreak or something, so we just put it in the basement. I assume Area 51 is just like full of poison and stuff. Just like old tech that they don't know what to do with. Just like no one can come here because we have all the gases.
Speaker 2:It's all really dangerous, unless you got an R2 run at us.
Speaker 3:Yeah, oh no, that's the only thing. We've got faster sensors.
Speaker 1:All right, so we'll hit our next category the good, the bad, the ugly, the fine, although that brings up a funny moment.
Speaker 3:I did have the military. We were testing out these sensors we had that we were supposed to put around the perimeter and this guy was like I wonder if I can get past it just by running fast and it turns out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you can. Hey, they don't work if you run fast Like in a car.
Speaker 3:No, just on foot. He did not.
Speaker 1:Naruto run, but he could have.
Speaker 3:It just makes you more aerodynamic.
Speaker 1:So we'll go to our next category the good, the bad, the ugly, the fine. It's where we discuss the good of the film Something we liked a scene, a character whatever. The bad, something we didn't like, something that you know, a scene, a character, whatever. I'm just saying the same thing. And then we got the ugly Something that didn't age well. The fine, something that did age well. Anybody want to start off For?
Speaker 2:the good, yeah, the good. I just the differences in and how it just felt like it was like I'm going to be different and just everything feels like it's executed very well, just between the zombies. What they do, their purpose Everyone's. Even though they're over the top acting, it's still fun, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, ultimately, I think for me it's like the characters, I liked them all. They're all fun and it was just like it was a very like diverse types of people you know in like the 80s, that was really cool. Um, and the ultimately the goofiness in this practical or I'll do that later but yeah, the goofiness is this is this a good movie?
Speaker 3:it's just. It was pretty fun to watch. Yeah, what do you got that's?
Speaker 1:all you're good so the good is I had fun?
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was just fun to watch Good family movie.
Speaker 1:So for the bad, I really didn't have anything for the bad. I mean, some of the bad is what I like about it.
Speaker 3:Right, like the zombies coming out with the muddy zombies yeah, they're totally just regular people. Regular people, a little bit of prosthetic it seemed like the yellow guy.
Speaker 1:he wasn't even fully painted yellow. Yeah, Because he like his butt, like His dick, was painted yellow. When he got closer his butt crack is like less yellow and I was like he just reminded me of, like the guy from like Sin City, yeah yeah, that's all I could think of. The gross guy. Yeah, I gotta rewatch that See if it's anything still.
Speaker 2:I was going to watch Sin City one day and I was like I think I've seen Sin City 2. Let me try and watch it. I was like, oh wow, this is not good. I'm done.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I didn't care much. Y'all got anything for the bad.
Speaker 2:Maybe don't have her naked the whole time. I don't know why. Yeah, I get it. If you notice she does get closer, hey, how about we have the girl have girl have her tits out.
Speaker 3:How about that. Give me something good to watch for once. Yeah, but even when she did put on clothes, she still had her butt out.
Speaker 2:Well it was like when they were downstairs she had a thing around because I saw her walking away. Yeah, she put a sheet on yeah, and then it gets caught on the stairs. She's just like, oh, because that's their whole theme is like when she takes her clothes off up and then she ran off and just left. It's like why are you? I guess because it's soaking wet. Now it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1:I will say that at least when they used it in the story, they made good use of her being naked because of the acid rain, and it might not even actually been a producer being like hey, pop out some tits.
Speaker 2:I mean it goes with the movie.
Speaker 1:That's how all producers were in the 80s and 70s with horror movies, but like I mean, they kind of made it a thing. It's like oh, it's this like edgy girl, like I don't care about showing my body, and then it's like it's kind of banging on your butt, bitch. I said rain, you didn't think of that did you jumping in a pool too.
Speaker 2:She seemed like if she lived she probably would have grown up in a nice lady. Yeah, I didn't need to, but she was pretty badass when she came up later, even though we didn't get anything from her, and I loved everybody at the end when the missiles come in and doing the typical everybody can hear even burning them downstairs, which I love the way it's a noise Like he literally is still on the phone and dudes busting through and usually you get some kind of more.
Speaker 2:it's just like they're it's over story's over for them, yeah um.
Speaker 1:So for the ugly, I got um, look, it's fine, right, that there's some bad, uh makeup work, you know, it just like it seemed like they blew their load on tar man's budget, right, but that's totally fine, whatever. Um, but for the ugly, no, it's just like nudity for the sake of nudity. It kind of feels like that right when she's, especially when she's dancing, it's like, but then, you know, as the movie goes, it's just like nudity for the sake of nudity. It kind of feels like that right when she's, especially when she's dancing. It's like, but then, you know, as the movie goes, it's like, oh, it sucks, for her Seemed like they kind of made it a point, but that's the only thing.
Speaker 3:I could really think of they're bad kids. Yeah, because only bad kids get naked.
Speaker 1:Only gutter punks get naked. Anybody else got something for the ugly. The lack of carry Ethel had a bad rap. Oh yeah, the mom, the woman, the wife, yeah, and you know just the fact that it potentially, like the government's, totally fine with turning their weapons on American citizens.
Speaker 2:Yeah, hell yeah. What do you think they're going to test?
Speaker 3:You know. Luckily it's not relevant, so let's cut to the fine Something that age. Well, yeah, hell, yeah, they are you know.
Speaker 1:Luckily it's not relevant so let's cut to the fine, something that age. Well, I think we all know what it is. Tarman, I never knew he had a name he rules yeah and it's great, death Stranding 2 oh, tarman, yeah yeah, tarman, it's totally blanking on one of my favorite director's names, kimmel Del Toro. Mad Max Fury Road. The director of the Mad Max series, george. Miller, george Miller, I forgot he's in this, yeah you should look up his Justice League movie, and that's where we're ending it discussion yeah, he had a Justice League movie.
Speaker 1:He uses the flash in the most perfect way possible. Maybe I've seen some stuff on that. Kevin Smith talked about it on one of his podcasts.
Speaker 2:He had some of like. Didn't he have Martian Like he had? I think I've seen some of it.
Speaker 1:And like Kevin Smith was like talking about like the ending to what the Flash does and started crying oh, because Kevin Smith is our crier.
Speaker 2:Well, he's also a big comic person because he was sitting here like talking about how he liked Batman v Superman or Justice League or something I don't remember exactly.
Speaker 1:He almost had a hand in all those 2000s and 90s superhero movies because they're like, who likes superheroes? The guy that spent all his movies talking about them. Because he like wrote on Daredevil, like that movie, and stuff With Ben Affleck yeah, he came in to punch it up and tell him which they didn't fully take all of his ideas.
Speaker 2:Obviously and probably why it sucked.
Speaker 1:But all right, Now we're going to move to our next category, double feature. So we recommend a movie to go alongside this movie. I decided to pick a perfect movie for a podcast talking about zombies. It's called Pontypool. It's a low budget. It takes place in Canada. It's a radio host interrupts the possible outbreak of a deadly virus which infects the small town of Ontario he is stationed in. So yeah, I was like I actually really like this movie. It's like two people stuck in a doing a radio show. Guy's got a great voice and then like he just starts getting calls that there's like something happening outside and it's very snowy, so people are kind of trapped in and zombies kind of come in it. And it's very snowy, so people are kind of trapped in and zombies kind of come in. It's a little brutal and it's just really fun. It's going to be low budget and it's going to be slow, but I've only watched it once, but it is I think, if you even are low budget, as long as you do like decent zombie makeup, yeah, you got me.
Speaker 1:I just thought it's like kind of a great movie. And especially now that I've you know, we do this podcast, which is essentially a radio show. I'm like, oh yeah, what if I was doing this podcast? And all of a sudden there's zombies and I'm like, hey guys, do y'all hear that? It's like we gotta make sure to upload this at the start of the zombie apocalypse. But yeah, do you got anything like?
Speaker 2:oh movie double feature. Yeah, day of the dead the one.
Speaker 3:I was talking about.
Speaker 2:I was like I had. That's the one that I can genuinely say like, because I went back and watched it recently. It's like I enjoy this movie. I just like their I don't know I've watched the least out of the trilogy. It's really slow because it's a lot of the main thing is like is dealing with the asshole military dudes, yeah, who are like the science, trying to do their things and experiment, and they're just like they're fucking doing that. Just the people who are stationed there are fucking assholes.
Speaker 1:I will say military and zombie movies never get a good rap. Like think of a. 28 Days Later you know where they go and it's like all that military and they're like we're taking you girls. We gotta keep my men happy and it's just like every time I watch this I forget. It's a very rapey ending, but then it's so satisfying I'm to fucking die. You think Cillian Murphy is an actual zombie, but he's just enraged.
Speaker 3:The part where he gets the one drop of blood going all in his eye. Mad-eye moody baby.
Speaker 1:So I was thinking I didn't know that, because that's kind of what he's like Get away from me. All the raging thinking.
Speaker 2:I stopped my toe two years ago, you got a chew toy.
Speaker 3:Sorry you go. You said Pawnee Pool. I was trying to think of the movie where the infection is spread by words, and it's Pawnee Pool. Yeah, that was also going to be my favorite, oh my.
Speaker 1:God, oh, that's so cool that you watched it. So, in the fact that we had the same one, I'll throw another one out. It's a very low budget movie. It's called the battery. It's about two kids during the zombie apocalypse. They're baseball players and they're just kind of in the woods like alone, and they're like some of the last people left and they're just it's kind of about like the way teenagers might realistically go about it. You know, all they have is their bats. The battery, um, I mean it's like. It goes even to the point where it's like shit. I'm stuck in this.
Speaker 1:There's this one part where you know it's teenagers, they're horny and there's like, so like one of the kids is trying to be alone masturbating in the car and there's like this zombie woman and he's like that's all they have to do. It's just kind of one of those I remember I watched it a while ago and I know it sounds like scuzzy or whatever, but it's kind of just like these are fucking, uh, testosterone field teenagers and it's a little bit more deeper than what I just explained. It's just that that was one of the moments where I was just like, oh yeah, a teenager's probably gonna masturbate during the zombie apocalypse and how are they gonna?
Speaker 1:do that, um, but it's actually. It was a really good like low budget indie movie that I really enjoyed, so that can be another one.
Speaker 1:You can watch favorite scene from it man, I completely, I completely just ruined anybody watching that movie. But it's like a good, just look up reviews, you'd like it also another one. Um, I actually learned this because of james gunn um, a zombie movie that's. That's not gonna show it up at all. I might just say, fuck it. It won't talk about generic zombie movie. It's not like a. It's not even a real zombie movie. It's just kind of like people are filming a tv show and it's I.
Speaker 1:I end up fucking crying at the end of this movie. Man, it's so good. Wait, I've seen that it's a. I end up fucking crying at the end of this movie. Man, it's so good. Wait, I've seen that it's a one cut of the dead. It starts off like they're filming a zombie movie and you can tell it's low budget. One shot, the whole time zombie movie. And then there's this whole like second story about them making the movie and, man, I fucking cried. It's about. I also want to watch this movie called the girl with all the gifts. Oh yeah, I read the book. It was apparently like a super. It's apparent. It's like got really good reviews. Is it a movie now? Yeah, it was on netflix for the longest time. It's on 2b now. Oh no, hey guys, we did it. Yeah, it's time to stop this and watch football, baby, because it's the first sunday of football. Nice titans play at three. Let's root for my boy, cam Ward. Let's go.
Speaker 3:I know these are football words. You're saying yes.
Speaker 1:First down. Third down touchdown. Score the points Off sides I still think it's funny.
Speaker 2:He knows all that and the thing that still just it makes me laugh so much, because when I first started fantasy, I won twice and they would talk about it. I was like, well, he didn't even do this, Like I don't know what that means and the faces these people would get at work of. Like he's one dude he doesn't even know this.
Speaker 1:He doesn't know anything. You know what he'd do.
Speaker 2:He'd come to me and be team was crap. I was like he legit, like has awful luck right now. I was like if it was someone else, we know yeah.
Speaker 1:I build the best fantasy team for the first half of the year and I'm constantly the highest scorer, and then I lose every game because I'm playing I'm the second highest scorer and I played the first highest score, and then my team gets injured and then I barely make the playoffs and I lose by a blowout. So join us next week for more horror, baby, because we're doing the Ritual Hold on, forgot to bring it up.
Speaker 3:I see I need South Park with the labooboos. Yeah, I haven't watched itos.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's the Ritual. It's on Netflix. It was a Netflix movie. It's a group of college friends reunite for a trip to a most dangerous country in Europe Sweden. Encourage that's just what the fucking IMD says. Encountering a menacing presence that's stalking them. Whoa, this thing is. Imdb is filled with fucking mistakes. It's a david bruckner um, I thought about doing his other movie and I don't know if y'all have seen this.
Speaker 2:It's uh, oh shit just kidding, I was very surprised by that movie when I first watched it, because it was on netflix the night house if y'all haven't seen the night house, it's a really good movie.
Speaker 1:David Bruckner also has probably the best segment of the very first VHS, which is the very first one. It's called Amateur Nights with these kids go and they're trying to film them having sex with a girl.
Speaker 2:And that's the girl who? Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 3:He hasn't seen it, it's rad.
Speaker 2:That's a good one to start off with To me. I'm in this now.
Speaker 1:VHS1 is about shitty boys getting their cum opens Just to let you know. But Nighthouse something cool about the ritual in Nighthouse and even Hellraiser. Cool thing about David Bruckner. He's kind of like, like I said it earlier, he's like a what do you call it? Environmental? What do you call whenever you're making a house, you're building a house? Architectural, architectural horror like the way he blends the environment into the horror, like especially in the ritual with when they're in that convenience store yes, that was a very good scene it's.
Speaker 1:he's one of, like some of our most creative horror filmmakers right now. Too bad, his Hellraiser wasn't enough.
Speaker 2:It just didn't go hard enough for me I loved it, but the thing is is that I feel like it was held back because of who owned it, which is Disney.
Speaker 1:Well, it was, like, I think, originally made by Fox and then Disney got it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think he was almost done with it and then they finally finished their merger and then I was not expecting it to come out. Yeah, I still enjoy it it's. But yeah, I feel like he could have, probably if he had full brain.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it is just characters were making stupid decisions, but you know that's every horror movie. So join us next week for the ritual. It's great and fucking Halloween season baby. Yeah, it's the best time of the year Football, horror movies, halloween Leaves Got to deal with that shit though.
Speaker 1:But the best part no mosquitoes, yeah, so join us next week for that. And if you want to leave us some fan mail, at the top of the description we have a link that you can click. It says send us some fan mail. At the bottom we have our email. We recommend mailbag at gmailcom. Please stop sending spam. People that listen to this podcast that just want me to use their editors, shit. Okay, that's not what we're here for. Do it right. Send more emails. Um, leave us a good review. We've got a couple over the last couple weeks on apple. Um, got some new followers on spotify, which is fun. So, uh, if you listen but you don't follow, follow it makes more people listen and I don't know, just fucking do it.
Speaker 3:I'd like to thank Joey Prosser for our intro and outro.
Speaker 1:I'm getting belty. You can follow him on X at Mr Joey Prosser. And damn it. This has been the we Recommend Podcast. I'm Jesse, I'm Jason, I'm Dakota. Send more podcasts, bye.
