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LONGLEGS
This week we are discussing the hit horror film, LONGLEGS. Listen as we dive into this dark and ominous hellscape that Osgood Perkins has created. We dive into some behind the scene facts and discuss the brilliant per performance by Nic Cage.
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Hello and welcome to the We Recommend Podcast, a movie podcast where every week we recommend a movie for you to watch, and then come back here and listen to us discuss. I'm Jesse. I'm Jason. Hail Satan. Hail Satan. Because this week we recommend long legs.
SPEAKER_01:I liked it uh up until the end. No! Like what we're at at the end. Just like the the reveal? The reveal that it's just Satan. Like, is that really what we're afraid of?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, bro. Well, so you know, the movie takes place um like at the end of the satanic panic. So I think it's a play on that a lot.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I just think maybe it's overdone. I thought it's like the the villain from the movie seven.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Like, if you would have gone through all that just to find out that it's the devil, like, wouldn't you be upset? I just don't feel like it. What? What are you talking about?
SPEAKER_00:I'd be like, holy shit, the fucking devil's here? Uh, I didn't know that. I understand if it's just uh weird old Kevin Spacey hanging around and be like, uh yeah, that's that's pretty normal. It being like the devil and you can like see him throughout like your investigation and be like, you know what? This is actually probably the scariest possible thing. Yeah, okay.
SPEAKER_01:Well, a lot more biblical references. I just don't I don't think the movie really respected my um my time. You didn't expect your liked it. I just thought maybe it was just a clever persuasive killer, but then he's it's the devil. Or like the it was the things in the dolls' heads. Like I like a haunted doll. Well, but I just felt like are the the balls in the heads like supposed to be charming the people hypnotizing them?
SPEAKER_00:So here's how I understand it, right? Actually, I'm very surprised by how many people are kind of confused by this movie. I thought it was pretty like to me, I was like, this all like checks checks out. Like I get it. This is pretty much uh what's with the metal balls? So the metal ball, that's just like a thing that long legs creates to put the essence of the devil in it. And they don't even tell you what long legs are. Long legs, that's it's him. I know he's long legs. Um I actually have something about it. So is he supposed to be the doll because of his his like porcelain face with the face paint? Yeah. And there's there's specifically a shot towards the end, like after long legs kill, or like before he's when they're about to catch him on the bus, it kind of cuts to inside the little basement that's in uh uh Harker's childhood home. And you just it's like it's zooming in on a face of a doll, and then like it's dissolving into the face of um long legs, and it's like he I he looks like a doll. Or he like made himself to look like a doll. Because whenever you see him like crack his face, yeah, he almost breaks apart like a doll. It does. His nose goes missing. He also has the essence of the devil. The devil! Hail Satan. Um, let's see if I can find in my notes. Okay, so the serial killer's nickname, Long Legs, goes unexplained in the film. It's actually homage to an old nursery rhyme called Goosey Goosey Gander, with the earliest publication being either in German Gerton's Garland or the nursery partner. I don't know, it's a bunch of fucking words. In London in 1784. An alternate alternative version of the nursery rhyme is known as Old Father Longlegs and goes as follows Old Father Longlegs can't say his prayers, take him by the left leg and throw him downstairs. Damn. So this is a kid's pull of long legs. He's the downstairs man along with the devil. He's he essentially has all these fathers kill the family. Long legs. See. So your opinion's wrong and everything about this movie's good. Um, so yeah, I don't know. I guess I just like whenever I went through the movie, it was like it checks all the boxes. Like, I get it. Like, I think it's man, I think this is a perfect film. Like, no joke for me. It's wild, it's a warm blanket. It was pretty cool. Uh I wish it was raining when I was watching it because I'd snuggle up, I don't know, put a cat on my lap and just be like, the devil. Nick Cage is crazy.
SPEAKER_01:I know. So I was really hoping Nicolas Cage would have really um You can't well okay. I thought he did well.
SPEAKER_00:I was gonna say, I was literally in this podcast if you say you don't like his performance.
SPEAKER_01:His performance was pretty good.
SPEAKER_00:The interrogation room thing where he talks to her. Fuck. I watched, I like the first time I watched it in theaters, got chills because I knew it was coming, I was excited. I was kind of getting pumped up. So I was like, I hope it doesn't let me down. Got extra chills. My chills had chills. Goosebumps had goosebumps. It was goosey goosey gander on my arms, man.
SPEAKER_01:It reminded me a lot of Silence of the Lambs, just all the FBI.
SPEAKER_00:Those I obviously I feel like the three movies that um he had inspiration of was Seven, Zodiac, and Silence of the Lambs. It felt very much like those.
SPEAKER_01:You know, he's the killer's very kind of weird and yeah, maybe that's why I was upset because I was maybe expecting like a uh super genius serial killer or something.
SPEAKER_00:No, it's uh it is kind of it goes to show you that like anybody, if you just are crazy enough, you you can become this. If you listen to too much T-Rex, man, this is what happens to you. Oh, and I love because T-Rex is always kind of like a fun, like older band to listen to. Like all their songs are like, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And they're like some of their messaging is never heard of T-Rex until now.
SPEAKER_00:Really? You never heard any of these songs bang on a gong? They're like a very popular band back in the day. I don't know. If you listen to like, you know, you go to Spotify, they have like their top five listened to songs on there. If you listen to me, be like, I know all these songs type of things. I was kind of the same way, and then uh my wife, she she would put them on everyone's arm, like, oh yeah, I love this band. Who is this? T-Rex? Oh, I didn't realize. Um, but yeah, the man, I don't know, just from a filmmaking perspective, this movie is just, I don't know, it's crack to me. It's just it's so satisfying to watch because like, you know, and I guess this from my perspective, I can see all like the techniques that they're doing. You know, there's a very wide camera during all this. So whenever you always have the person in the forefront, there's always open doors or a lot large amount of space behind her. Yeah, that was always scary. Yeah. So like, especially when she gets her first letter, and you already saw like essentially the devil, and then also devil outside long legs is, I'm assuming, just like in her house at that point. And then, you know, she hears a noise while she's opening the letter, and it's like, what? And then like you perfectly see one door on the her right side and another like door on her right side and or left side, and it's like, uh she's too vulnerable. So the whole time, like she's like you're kind of like, ooh, what? What's you're engrossed in the mystery, but you're also kind of like, is something gonna come through those doors? Yes. Also, the devil is in this movie nine different times. Nice. Yeah. Um, and um, did you ever notice it? I mean, there's obviously the obvious ones where like in the woods, and there's one where she's like in a library and you kind of see it in the middle and it disappears. I only saw the one in the woods. So when you know, whenever she's like towards the end, the carters invite her in. Yeah, you know, they go to shut the door. The reflection of the devil is in the door. Nice. Like you see the goat horns and it's black shadow and black mask. I didn't see that at all. Yeah, bro. Well, maybe because you're too busy having bad opinions. You're right. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. Um, it's funny because one of my the bad is actually has to deal with people's opinions. Do you say that? I'm like, oh no, I'm talking about Jason. Um yeah, let's see. I thought I had like some facts where it sh tells all the places where the devil is.
SPEAKER_02:Which is everywhere.
SPEAKER_01:I did like the like the shrouded doll, like the black shroud over the dolls. That was super easy. With the glowing eyes. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:I mean, I think it's actually considered fucking metal. Yeah. That was that was kind of the thing that whenever I watched it in theaters, that's what uh that's what really started drawing me in at the beginning. Obviously, at the beginning, where he's like, Oh my, I put my long legs on. Um, but then after that, it was uh the glowing eyes of the dolls that was like, shit, man.
SPEAKER_01:You know what I really hoped that the long legs turned out to be? Like pants made out of human skin. Ooh, though. That's what I thought it was.
SPEAKER_00:You know what, Jason? This movie sucks. Your movie's way better. Um, so just uh some uh parts where the uh devil is in the background. So when Harker is sitting on the floor reviewing case files, the devil's there, apparently. Um, in the woods outside her cabin home, in the kitchen when Harker is reading the card left for her by Long Legs, in Long Leg's basement by the staircase, in the window between two bookshelves when Harker is investigating in the library, in the small window of Kitchen's rear entrance door, during Harker's childhood flashback in the bedroom doorway, in the window of the basement, foyer at Harker's mother's house, in the Harker's childhood bedroom, when her mother is revealing the story of the dollmaker in the reflection of the front door of the Carter's home as it is being closed at the end of the film. And it's supposed to be subliminal, so you know. It's probably my pretty easy to miss. And honestly, it was a very bright morning today when I was doing my notes and I was like, Yeah, I know what I've shot on the TV and it like I didn't I started putting like blankets all over my windows, took them down right before you got here. I was like, fuck, this movie's dark. But man, I love the cinematography in this movie. It's beautiful. The vibes, it's just got good vibes. Yeah, good, scary vibes. Good, bad vibes. I love it. Um, something, so you know, zooming notes. Uh I was looking at, you know, IMDB ratings and reviews um because I like to be pissed off about people who have dumb opinions and honestly just seemingly don't understand the movie, or it didn't even seem like they tried to understand it. They're just like, I don't know, I don't get dolls or whatever. Things like that. And it seemed like a lot of people were like, it had great vibes, it was a great fun thriller, but not enough horror in it. Um, so does a horror movie have to be scary to be a horror movie? Yeah, I think so. Because I don't find this movie scary.
SPEAKER_01:Well, yeah, okay, maybe not scary, but it has to induce fear. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Which I feel like it does. Yeah, but because it's not beating you over the head with it, it seems like people are like, not scary. But I'm like, sometimes like the the non not overtly scary is sometimes scarier, I feel like.
SPEAKER_01:Because it's something you'll remember later.
SPEAKER_00:That and they sprinkle in a few pinches of uh ultraviolence here and there.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:That kind of you have to, and that that seems to be something like for modern day horror movies, it's like very popular to where all these like trauma-filled movies, and then it's mainly about the characters, which I think is kind of what this movie is doing too. And then all of a sudden, I'm just gonna base my uh bash my face in, which is something that I mean, weapons recently did it. Um kind of barbarian was the same way. There's it's a whole 20 minutes of nothing happening. The next thing you know, uh guy's face gets beaten to the wall. Um, talk to me, hereditary. They all do it. That scene from Fight Club where he beats the shit out of himself. Yeah, he wanted to destroy something beautiful, man. And who better to do it to than uh shit? What's his name? Tyler Durden? No. Uh Edward Norton? No. 30 Seconds of Mars guy. Oh my god. Oh how am I blanking on his fucking name? Uh Meatloaf.
SPEAKER_02:No.
SPEAKER_00:What are you even talking about? Sting.
SPEAKER_02:Oh my god.
SPEAKER_00:Jared Leto. Oh yeah. That's the guy. He's the blonde guy, and he just beats the shit out of him. Yeah, that was Rav. His face is all messed up. Yeah, it's good. He's like, his like nose falls off. That's why I was like, oh, he's got a fake face. Like he's obviously probably had work done or something. I don't know. Like spitting out teeth. Yeah. It's awesome. Um, so during an interview with Osgood Perkins, um, he recalled a story from production where he learned Nicholas Cage has a particular skill that he says no other actor possesses, and something we should learn how to do. The ability to recognize high or low, or how high or low he is, able to speak without messing up the audio. According to Perkins, the sound guy came over to me one day. He comes up to me a couple of days into Nick being on set and he's like, Oz, I've never seen anything like it. When Nick is mic'd, I'm watching the dials. When Nick goes big, he goes right to the line. And anything more, a decimal or two over that, he would have been hard to use. The audio would have been hard to use. Then he goes down, he goes soft and he's whispering and he's barely talking. He goes right to the line. Anything past that line, we we wouldn't be able to use. He knows where the lines are. It's the craziest thing he's ever seen in his life. Unlike us, where it's like bah. We're like way too quiet. So I just wanted to kind of say that. And there's a few more things with Nick Cage because you know, Nick Cage went the longest time where nobody really appreciated how good of an actor he is. You know, after he won his Oscar, he just did really shitty movies. What did he win an Oscar for? Um uh leaving Las Vegas? Wow, that was a long time ago. Yeah, it was like in the 90s. Or honeymoon in Honey. No, yeah, it's leaving Las Vegas. It's where he's like a he's like an alcoholic in Los Las Vegas, and you know, that's the type of movies that Oscars love to give it. It's like, oh, you're a person with some sort of alcohol or drug abuse and you give a performance. We love that. Here you go. Here's an Oscar in the 90s. Um but because you know, like he's known for now, he's having like a renaissance where everybody's like, hey, y'all fucking like people like us, our age, are making movies, be like, you remember how like Nicolas Cage was just the craziest actor ever? What if we just use that as a crazy, yeah? Yeah, and that's what people have gotten really good at using. It's like the unbearable weight of massive talent. Did you see that? The Nick Cage movie. You should watch it because it's a movie literally just like we love Nick Cage. Here's all his past roles. Like he in that movie, he uses his guns from face-off. Put the bunny down. You should watch it. It's got Pedro Pascal, it's really funny and great. Awesome. Um, but it's like this movie. There's a movie called Pig where he's really good in it. And it's just like we're finally just being like, Yeah, Nick Cage deserves all the credit in the world because he's bonkers. The only reason he did so many shitty movies where he either acts batshit crazy or barely acts at all, is because he bought a castle and he has to pay taxes on it. So he does 500 movies a year. That makes sense. But uh, it's just like I'm so glad like we're finally really starting to, you know, re-respect Nicolas Cage again.
SPEAKER_01:Wouldn't it be awesome to have a house named after yourself? I wonder if he called it Cage Manor.
SPEAKER_00:Cage Manor. I can't remember what he calls it in the movie, but oh wait, no, he doesn't, it's not his house. It's he goes to visit like someone who is obsessed with him that's like really rich and has like all of his merchandise and stuff. Well, but he did buy like a huge haunted mansion. Yeah, he yeah, he's like uh super in debt from all the insane property he's bought. Yeah. I know that's why I feel like this movie is like so up his alleys because you know, he's a damn ass freak. And that's why we like Nick Cage. And speaking of Nick Clay Cage, despite the praise and acclaim of his portrayal as long legs, Nicolas Cage stated this will be his only portrayal of a serial killer for film. In an interview with Indy Wire, Cage said, I know that the phone's going to ring off the hook to play serial killers after long legs, and that's not really what I like to do. I don't like violence. I don't want to play people who are hurting people. Yeah. But I mean, if you think about it, he doesn't play a lot, he doesn't really play like a villain too much or like a crazed killer. Like a lot of people. I know. He's because he's he's got wild eyes. He sucks. He's he's got a crazy face, wild eyes, and his voice is it could go either way if he's gonna be yelling or whispering in a creepy way. Um, so just a few more facts. Maika Monroe from It Follows, she's fantastic in this, yeah, initially met Osgood Perkins about playing the lead role, only to later hear that the director didn't think she was right for the part. Alarmed at the thought of losing out on what she considered a great role, she made an audition tape which helped seal the deal. I'm like, bro, do you not fucking watch It Follows? Like, come on, she's perfect for this. She's just gonna be walking around quietly. That's what she does.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I thought she did great in this movie. And and and I can't say that about a lot of the people in this movie. What? Like her partner, uh Carter. Carter, Millet Carter.
SPEAKER_00:I I thought some of his maybe it was the writing. I don't know. I think they're it was because it's kind of playing into the 90s, like our boy detective type thing a little bit. I like him. Uh it definitely he definitely feels like, and I feel like they did it on purpose, where he he's kind of a cliche of a like a boss, right? Yeah, and I think they're doing that because it's he's she's supposed to be the weird one. He's the normal so it's like, hey, there's no what do you think? There's paranormal shit going here? Hey, also, are you psychic? What the hell's going on with you? Yeah. Which we will explain that later. Um, so the modern scenes use the normal aspect ratio of 239.1. That's you know, bars at the top and bottom. And for the flashbacks, they use older standard of 4-3, which is roughly the same of 8 millimeter, you know, whenever it's that box. It's almost like the movie 8mm with Nicolas Cage. Yeah.
unknown:Oh God.
SPEAKER_00:Fuck yeah. Walking Phoenix. Meanwhile, I've talked about watching that all the time. It's just never on anything. Um, so Maika Monroe, I I hate saying her name. I just feel like I'm butchering it, was kept completely in the dark over co-stars Nicolas Cage's transformation as the titular serial killer long legs, and had never seen Cage in character until they shot the infamous interrogation scene, which also happened to be Cage's final day on set. So during filming, Monroe wore a microphone on her shirt, which, along with her dialogue, was sensitive enough that it had managed to capture a heartbeat as well. Monroe's initial resting rate was 76 uh beats per minute. When the scene ended, it had spiked to a rate of 170 beats per minute. The sound of her panicked heartbeat was then used as final promotional trailer prior to the movie's July 12th release in an interview with Indywire, IndieWire, Indy Indywire, Monroe recalled it was insane. It was absolutely insane. She said, as you know, he completely transformed. There's no trace of Nick in there. His voice, his mannerisms, he was very much method on this. So it was in character and it was very disturbing character to say the least. Yeah. Dude. Beautiful. Just because, like getting the heartbeat, and be like, we can use it in the promotional thing. And then after people watch the movie and go to the trivia section, they can be like, oh no. But yeah, that's rad. That is really cool. It's cool when you hear things like, yeah, I was in this horror movie and uh I actually got scared. Scared as fuck next neck cage. Yeah. Just being in a I think my heart would probably go up my heart rate. Oh, dude, just seeing his face. I'd be like, oh shit. Like when he walks into that like hardware store or like mom and pop shore, is like, um, no thank you. Um, so during the early scenes in which Agent Harker is being tested for psychic abilities, all of her answers foreshadow aspects of the film. Her answers include camera, keeping Polaroids she took as a child, as well as the name of the family's victims, piano, present in Young Lee's room, and at the scene of the camera's murders, mother, alluding to her mother involvement in the crimes, father. Harker's father is never mentioned throughout the film, but this answer corresponds to the inverted triangle representing 666, which is also the algorithm for targeting victims. And tiger, as in Tiger's Eyes, associated with the Zodiac sign, Capricorn, Lee's Zodiac sign because it's believed to enhance the traits and turn it determination, ambition, and discipline. And also the kind of the dolls are kind of cat's eyes. I feel like so. That's cool. Yeah, man. That's uh that's all the notes I got.
SPEAKER_01:That was interesting. Like it's kind of super, you know, um, supernatural.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:That was a neat element.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Uh, and I loved so I have the 4K of this, and you know, when it's on the play screen and everything, it's just the flashes of the pictures. Yeah. And I was sitting there and just, you know, doing like the good, the bad, the ugly, finding like trivia and stuff about it, and the whole time, like it's just of it. And then I went to the bathroom, I come back, and then I sit there and I started watching. I was like, whoa, this is putting me in a trance. You've been programmed. I was like, I could I should just leave this on when I'm doing work because I was just so focused and I don't know, it was weird. I was like, huh, maybe there's like something to that sound and why they used it because it really did kind of just like make me stare at it. I'm like, shit, do I have a doll in the house?
SPEAKER_01:Or you just trained from childhood to watch slideshows.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. And um something I didn't realize before uh, you know, when I first watched it in theaters is um Harker, Lee Harker. I don't know if you noticed, but she walks and moves and sits like a doll. No, I didn't notice. Like she just the way they have her, when she sits on the bed, she's very like her posture is very straight and she like barely moves and stuff. She walks slow, like very like if she has her arms out, they kind of like stay. And then, you know, when she's investigating at the beginning and she likes the way she sits on her legs, she's very still. And then whenever uh Carter comes in and she's laying down, like sleeping, it's almost like how you'd lay a doll down. And I was like, fuck. The second time I watched it, I'm like, hell yeah. That's cool. I already thought about that. And then like she's she's a bit different after her doll gets shot in the head. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, she passes out and wakes up in the basement.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, so all right. How in this movie would it be more satisfying with you? Would it be better if it wasn't dolls? Or just or just no supernatural at all? Well, yeah, or she can have like some sort of weird psychic thing, but just no dolls.
SPEAKER_01:I I just feel like uh Yeah, what if uh ca the scenario I went through with in my head was that the serial killer kidnaps a father, tortures him, and then drives him to the next target's place and is like, look, if you don't kill these people, I'm gonna kill, I'm gonna do what I did to you, but to your daughter, or something like that. And then he just goes in and kills him. And that that's like to me, I feel like that might have been a little cooler. It'd be scarier if it was more realistic. Or yeah, more a little more realistic because sprinkling in the supernatural stuff is cool and spooky, but then you find out that it's it's not spooky, it's just the this crazy fucking guy. Yeah. And that's something that I would be more scared of than the devil.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Yeah, I get it. Um like my defense of that is I fucking love movies with the devil in it.
SPEAKER_01:It's so fucking it's just I think it can be done in different ways, but I feel like if this was a Stephen King movie, I feel like he probably would have done a better job with the writing. You know what?
SPEAKER_00:If I can be honest with you there, I completely disagree with that. Wow. Cause just base I don't know. I like Stephen King, but man, when I listen to his books, because I don't read them because they're way too fucking long, I'm always like other than revival, um, and even that, there's it's Stephen King's cheesy to me. He can be a lot of the times. And um, but I do understand, like, I don't know. Cause I guess you could like the way that he does his paranormal stuff better, which I then I understand.
SPEAKER_01:It reminds me of something Stephen King has done, because there's his um there's a series that came out a while back, and in the series there's this guy from another dimension, and when he f whenever he shows up, evil kind of follows him.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And like he was he was outside of this family's home, and they're like doing a birthday party for their son. Yeah. But when he gets close, the parents start fighting and then the dad murders the whole family and himself. So like And it's a Stephen King series?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Um I can't remember what it was called. But that it's kind of exactly what was going on here.
SPEAKER_01:So that's what I thought was happening. But um, it's the devil. It's like it takes place at a prison.
SPEAKER_00:Um The Life of Chuck? Oh, yeah, that's it. The protagonist Chuck approaches his grandparents' house to celebrate his birthday. As he gets close, he hears his family inside having a terrible heated argument. He's unsure if he should go inside or if they should just walk away.
SPEAKER_01:Well, this one is like the there's a Oh, Castle Rock.
SPEAKER_00:Castle Rock. Yeah, I started watching that. Um Yeah, what wasn't like the ultimately the ending because that has the guy from It that played Pen Pennywise in it. I didn't get all the way through. We kinda we ended up stop watching. I should watch it because I I really ended up liking it, but um, you know, I just didn't watch a lot of I didn't really like watching as much TV back then as I do now. Um I really like that we're kind of disagreeing on the movie a little bit. So I actually think this is a very fun conversation. Yeah. Um just actually I forgot one little bit of trivia. So um Osgood Perkins and Nicolas Cage. Um what did I put in my notes? Um, Nicholas Cage and Osgood Perkins made the movie as a tribute to their mothers. Oh, sweet. So Osgood Perkins. Um, you know who Anthony Perkins is? Name sounds familiar. Psycho. He's the guy in Psycho, uh Norman Bates or whatever his name is. Um so yeah, his father is um Anthony Perkins, who actually was homosexual. Um, but his mother kept that a secret the whole time. They stayed together the whole time, and so like some of the idea of this movie came from mother keeping this secret from her child, and that's where a little bit of it comes from. Secret shotgun. Yeah, well, because you know, especially back in the day when, you know, like psycho and all that, whenever I mean people weren't as accepting about homosexuality and stuff like that. So she really kind of saved his life. Yeah, right. Exactly. Um and so he could continue working, because especially back then, people didn't go for that shit. Um, sadly. So that was a little element from Osgood's idea and like how kind of the movie, now if you think about it and like watch the movie, it's like, oh, I see what they're doing. Except he was just like, ah, let's also make it a serial killer movie. Right. Um and Nicholas Cage, he plays long legs and said that he took inspiration from his mother, who lived with conditions like schizophrenia and severe depression throughout her life until she died in 2021 when creating the role. It's the voices, it's not really him. He's just been hijacked by something else, he explained to the Hollywood reporter. I've also often thought, what was it that happened to my mom? If any good in this movie, it's because of my mother. That's also that also gave me a bit of empathy for the character, as crazy as what what his situation is and what he's getting up to with these effigies. He also told Entertainment Weekly it was deeply personal kind of performance for me because I grew up trying to cope with what she was going through. She would talk in terms that were kind of poetry. I didn't know how else to describe it. I tried to put that in the long legs character because he's really a tragic entity. He's at the mercy of those voices that are talking to him and getting him to do these things. So yeah, I guess like if they if they decided to go more your way, it could have just been a guy with like schizophrenia or whatever, and these voices in his head. He thinks it's the devil, but it's actually just he got messed up brain. And then in the 90s, people didn't really take care of themselves, right? Yeah. They didn't believe in mental health. Yeah. We still we're trying as hard as we can not to believe in it still.
SPEAKER_01:Um yeah. Yeah, I I think it could have been the same movie. It just you know. Yeah, I mean, it really could. But then it would have been, I guess, more like Silence of the Lambs. Maybe they were trying to stay away from that.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I think he I think he just took a lot of and you know, uh last week I recommended a movie called Black Coat's Daughter to go along with House of the Devil, and that which was him, and it's also kind of got the same thing, like very like devil-y and stuff like that. I definitely think Osgood Perkins the boy, you know, the boy the boy likes the devil. You know what can what can we say? Uh all right. So, Jason, we're gonna get into the plot. And I want everybody at home who are listening or at your job, in the car, whatever, think about what the point of the movie is as we go through it. Let's say if you watch the movie but you didn't really think much, like, what's the point of this movie? Well, listen to us describe it, the plot and stuff, and then think about what you think the plot point of the movie is, and then leave us some fan mail and tell us what you think it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, Jason, let's get into let's put our long legs on. All right. What are they? I don't know. I have average sized legs. It just depends who I'm standing next to. So the movie starts off with a T-Rex song, quote, You've got the teeth of the Hydra upon you. You're dirty sweet, and you're my girl. Nice. So in a prologue scene, we see a car driving up to a house in a snowy, snowy filled land. A little girl notices an unfamiliar car parked outside of her house from her bedroom window. She grabs her polaroid Polaroid camera and goes outside to investigate. There is a cloaked figure in the passenger seat, but before she can investigate further, she hears a voice behind her house. She goes to see who you need, like you just see him kind of poked his head out a little bit and then comes back. And it's like she goes to see who it is and is greeted by a person with a pale white face. Um, but first we just see, like, just kind of like up to his chest. And then you hear him, and he's like, You sound weird. You don't sound like I like the sound of his voice. You don't sound like Nick Cage. Then it's like, it seems I wore my long legs today. And then it's like, let me what happens if I just so fucking weird.
SPEAKER_01:Good, right? Yeah, it was amazing. Great start. Uh I don't even recognize it as being Nicolas Cage at first.
SPEAKER_00:And I I love the little square frame, the four-three ratio it has. It's just, I don't know, it makes it immediately off-putting. It's like this isn't how we see things anymore. It's either in where there's the bars at the top or the bottom, or it's fitted for our phone. Um, but yeah, I just said hell yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So like they didn't show his feet, so I was like, maybe the long legs, maybe he's wearing other people's feet on his feet.
SPEAKER_00:Maybe he's got bird legs, and we just can't see it. Yes. I put my bird legs on. And then we get part one his letters. Me, me. Turns out like long legs is just uh he's a wily coyote. Um, so we got FBI agent Lee Harker and her colleagues are on a manhut for a serial killer. While knocking on doors in a neighborhood, um, her partner that is she's with, he goes to door to door and she stays in the car while um the partner she's with at the moment is trying to find out where this like killer is or whatever. But she gets out of the car and feels that it is a certain house, which is great. It's like we're really seeing this wide lens because you know we see her get out of the car, kind of walk around, then she walks up to the lens or like the camera. Love when they do that. It's great. I love every movie that does it, every movie should do it. Um, and then she looks at this house and then like her partner comes up, it's like, it's that one. And it's like, let's call it in for backup. And he's like, What the fuck? You just got out of the car, you didn't do anything. She hates calling in for backup. She doesn't do it ever. Well, she wanted to, but the partner was like, we can't just go off a hunch. Um, and then so her partner's like, I'll go, I'll go knock on this door. She kind of walks up behind him. Then he's like, Hey, by the way, uh, I we're I'm the FBI. I just want to like get it, and then bang, bam. It's like, okay, what? Shit.
SPEAKER_01:And then she's like, Well, I guess I have to go in. Dude, that's when you call in. Yeah, that's when she's like, uh, help. Yeah, help, please. I'm alone with a person with the city.
SPEAKER_00:But then it's just like, I hope he doesn't run out back. You kind of gotta get him now. He just killed one of your partners. Yeah, call some way first. You got time. And then uh so Harker, she's jarred. In the rest of this film, you can kind of see that, you know, she almost like has PTSD throughout the rest of the film. I could see that. Which maybe almost puts her into that doll mode or something. She goes into the house, it's lined with plastic sheets throughout the house. She sees the man who gives himself up on the bed, um, and then that's it. And then we kind of cut to later, it's like, what was this guy doing?
SPEAKER_01:Was he about to he was squatting? Squatting? Is that what it is? That's all it was. Covering everything in plastic.
SPEAKER_00:It's like, was there a family in there that he was about to kill or something? I mean, probably maybe it was his kill room. Yeah. It seemed like it, right? Yeah. Dexter. So later, Harker is doing a test where she has she has to assign things or numbers to random pictures and shapes. Um, and then we cut it in a car with Agent Carter. He says the tests reveal that she possesses psychic abilities. Yeah, we can test for that. Well, I guess it was just because I'm assuming they put the patterns up and they, I don't know, probably put a word that goes with it, and then she was guessing all the words right, and then she got so she had to guess 16 numbers, she guessed eight right and eight incorrect.
SPEAKER_01:That's not amazing. Can you guess? That's if I gave you 16 numbers and I was like, all right, one through a hundred. If you were to go through a deck of cards and try to guess the cards on average, you would get four out of 52 right.
unknown:Maybe.
SPEAKER_00:Well, if you're guessing numbers on a card, you also have to say the suit. If you're gonna make it if you want it to be impressive, but you could easily get all eight suits wrong. Probably, you're probably gonna get a lot wrong. I mean, like, what if what if like all the numbers were just zero and she never guessed zero? It'd be like, oh fuck, this bitch can't guess anything. She ain't psychic. Um, so yeah, uh as a result, Harker is assigned to the open case of Long Legs, the main suspect in a serial brutal murder suicides targeting families. Uh, we learn all the victims share the same birthday, and each crime scene features a cryptic letter signed Long Legs. There are no other traces of killer the killer at the scenes. There are 10 letters, 10 families over 30 years. Carter believes someone is making the fathers kill the families. What do you think about that? That's pretty cool. I mean, I I at any point, all these could be just chalked up to. Um, yeah, it's just like crazy. Another family annihilator. Yeah, this is family annihilated. We have like five of them a year. But it's like the letters, long legs, and like the cryptic like messaging on it.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I mean, we'll probably get into it a little later, but the whole like birthday thing really doesn't have any unless he's trying to leave a trail for her.
SPEAKER_00:Or like Well, it's just um it's just the way I guess he uses the algorithm, right, that he made up.
SPEAKER_01:It just doesn't make sense.
SPEAKER_00:Well, because he's using symbolism. And so like the inverted triangle is essentially making a pentagram with the way that he's killing people and how he so by doing it, so all the children are born on the 14th and they're being killed either six days before or six days after their birthday. Yes, and then when you put it all together and uh you put them on top of each other, it makes a pentagram. Right. That's what Satan is. People thought they did. Which is I don't know. Yeah. I guess it could have kind of explained that a little bit better, but I felt like they're not just killing the girls or kidnapping them or doing it. Yeah, the whole family does.
SPEAKER_01:Their birthdays are on the 14th.
SPEAKER_00:I'm sorry. I guess the devil should have been a little bit more considerate, Jason. Yeah let me call them up and be like, devil, come on now. It's not the valley girl devil that we made in the House of the Devil. This one's like OG, like I'm the 90s devil.
SPEAKER_01:14 doesn't mean shit to the devil.
SPEAKER_00:I mean, but yeah, 666 just stands for Euro. This is how he this is how this is how his minion decided to do it. Hell yeah. And plus, this is like a crazy guy that uh was just you know searching for symbols, right? I guess so. You know, they always say that kind of ritualistic killers, they always have they have their own weird symbology and stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. So I went. That's the zodiac part. Yeah. Um, so uh yeah, Harker's task is to decipher decipher the letters, which contain satanic symbols and codes. Harker sets up all the evidence. We hear a tape playing of a father saying his daughter isn't his actual daughter, and we hear him killing the family, and we see a lot of gruesome crime scene photos. Yeah. And I love when we get to the end and we kind of see how it, you know, because at this point we hear the thing on the phone and it's like, okay, kind of weird, but we don't see it playing out in front of us kind of like later with Carter and the mother. Dude, I can't wait to get there. So I just kind of like how confused, nervous, and angry it kind of makes the people to where they're just they'll just say something, and all of a sudden it's like, well, you fucking brought it up, and it's like, wait, why are you doing this? And I could see it almost having maybe references to maybe like alcoholic families and things like that, where it's like everything's happy, but because you know, the alcohol, you say the wrong thing. It's because of that and they all of a sudden like their temper and everything changes and kind of get nervous.
SPEAKER_01:Ashley's been collecting a lot of dolls lately. I'm fucked.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, bro. Get out. I feel like if I live in a house at tops three dolls, only three dolls a lot in the house.
SPEAKER_01:There's like a three-foot-tall one of a little boy that's got part of its body is damaged, and it's scary as hell. I hate it. It's in the closet. I don't I'll do nothing. Is there a reason y'all are keeping it? Don't ask me.
SPEAKER_00:Well, if you need I would I would say if you need me to like secretly break into your house and steal this thing and throw it away, I would, but then it would probably follow me home. It probably needs to be cleansed with some kind of ritual. It's like that uh those dolls when it was like me, you, and Dakota, like the dolls that you lean up against the wall and it's like they're in timeout, the timeout dolls. Oh man. They have no face, they're just like their heads-that's awful. You remember those though, right? No, yeah, we talked about them before. Maybe I just thought, God, it sounds horrible. You just have to look it up. Because like I grew up with them a lot. Like a lot of my family had those. And it's like that is such a strange thing to have. It's like now I wish if I could just talk bluntly to my family, I'd be like, what the fuck is wrong with you? Because they were kind of creepy even as a kid. You know, I played with them, but you know, you walk into the house and see that, it's like, oh, that's not real. Oh, what's that thing over there? Oh, it's in timeout. It's like no wonder people back in the day had satanic panic. They had like creepy ass toys all the time.
SPEAKER_01:It's like we were in children's poems, like long legs. Born to be scared.
SPEAKER_00:So, um, following a long first day, Harker and her supervisor, Agent Carter, go for a drink. He asks what she sees in the evidence. She says that he is never there at the crime scene, long legs is, but he does leave the letters. She brings up the possibility of accomplices. Because there's no physical evidence of long legs.
SPEAKER_01:But the only thing left is letters. But there's no what about his the her mom? Is there's never any evidence of her being there?
SPEAKER_00:I guess not.
SPEAKER_01:Just like a nun?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, it's a nun. And plus, like, because the dolls are never found. So the dolls are always hidden or being taken away. So um I mean, just leave them the doll. She made it just for them. Nuns can wear gloves. Yeah, probably. I don't know. So Harker drives Carter home and begrudgingly meets his wife Anna and their daughter Ruby, where she agrees to attend Ruby's birthday party in weeks' time. They talk in Ruby's room, uh Ruby's bedroom for a while. Uh, this is where I put like in my notes. Like, damn, dude, she's just straight up sitting like a doll, like how we see the doll sit throughout the rest of the movie. I just thought maybe she just wasn't good with kids. Yeah. Well, I think also it's because she just saw one of her partners get shot in the head, and now she's immediately being partnered up with Carter, and he's like, You want to meet my kid family? I'm like, I just saw someone die, and I if you die, this is gonna fuck me up even more.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, well, he brings her in so he doesn't get in as much trouble with his wife. That's exactly what it is.
SPEAKER_00:And plus it's smart because it's like, hey, this is the person I'm working with on the case. I'm not cheating on you. Yeah. But she is a girl. I want you to meet her type of situation. Yeah. By the way, she can read your thoughts. Um, we learn that Harker also wanted to be an actress growing up instead of an FBI agent, but she ended up becoming one. She tells Ruby, it is scary to be a female FBI agent. Yeah, about uh yep. Uh I have wrote some stuff, but I don't know what they mean now. Okay. So uh Harker goes home, Harker hears loud music briefly outside of her home, just like it's like maybe like two or three seconds, she like turns around and then it stops, and it's like, that could be anything, right? I'm surely long legs isn't just like a loser in a basement that listens to like hair metal bands, right? At home, she calls her mom, and there is one thing where uh when they're at Ruby's, like, oh man, it's already the next day. And then she goes home, calls her mom, and it's like, she's up. It's like, is this like 3 a.m. in the morning? You called your mom and she's up. But we'll learn that her mom isn't normal. No. She tells her mom she can't sleep because of work, then she hears a knock at the door. At first, she kind of hears like uh almost like someone standing there and like said something. She's like she's looking, and then she like gets off the phone with her mom and then like knock at the door. This is where um the space is this whole scene, the space is used really well. Yeah. Um and so she goes outside. So when she hears the knock, she goes outside to investigate. She sees the figure inside her, or she sees a figure outside in the woods, and she's like, Oh shit, gets her gun, runs outside, it's not there. And then she goes and turns around and sees someone in her house putting a note down. God damn it. And then she runs in real quick and nobody's there, and she just sees a note that says, uh, is it like happy birthday on it or whatever? And it says long legs. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Scary ass card, birthday card. And it's great. No, it's so good. I'm just so glad she has a gun. Yeah, right.
SPEAKER_00:It's like, thank God this is an FBI agent. And then we got to part two, all of your things. So she opens the birthday card and it's more weird symbols, and the ink is wet still, so it's like he just literally wrote it. Spit on it. She has Satan. She hears small noises around her, and this is where it's like, shit, and somewhere there's a devil. I couldn't see because the glare on my TV really pissed me off. Um, and like it's this great shot where there's like two doorways behind her, and it's like they could be anywhere. Yeah, or just they're just gonna show up at any moment. Yeah, and just kill her. Um, so she uh she begins working on the letter and it says, Tell them how you got this, how it came into your head. I'll cut off her hanging milk tits and bleed your mommy dead.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, that sucks. Nursery rhyme. Yay!
SPEAKER_00:I remember when my dad read that nursery rhyme to me all the time. I'm like, please don't do that to my mom's milk tits. Regret saying that. Oh my god. Um, and then she she's getting a call from her mom. She lets it go to voicemail, and like we're like, which is even more fun because you know the mom is knows what's going on. Um and then she gets a call from Carter about a crime. So then she's off to go to this other crime. Great scene. Thank goodness. Honestly, it's probably either the second or third best scene in the movie. Obviously, the first is the interrogation scene. Um, but when I think of this movie, I think of the interrogation scene and I think of this scene. Yeah, I was definitely afraid. This is great. I mean, it's just like Osgood Perkins' like masterful scene. It's just wonderful. It's like a little chase. Even the house, it's got like too many open windows, like big windows.
SPEAKER_01:Like, I hate that.
SPEAKER_00:It's like I always say I want to live like kind of where no one's around. You know, don't have to be too far from like a city or whatever, but just kind of like an open field, maybe some woods nearby. And then I watch horror movies and I'm like, nah, I'm good, actually. Let's actually rethink that, Jesse. So she goes to another crime scene. We learn that at this crime scene the family has been dead for a month. They're supposed to be on a trip. We um, and then we kind of they go in. Um, that's why like nobody like reported it. They're like, wait, these guys have been gone a long time. Call the cops, they walk in. Turns out bodyful covered of maggots. You know, that's awful. There's also a cat in there. I'm assuming the cat probably ate some of them. Had a little bit of it's like, oh, finally I get to eat this family. Um, but yeah, it's really gross and great, and it's very seven-like. It is. Yeah. A really gross. Uh I almost suggested doing seven uh a little bit earlier. Like I was I was thinking about maybe doing after Return of the Evil Dead or after the House of the Devil, and then we ended up doing long legs, and it's like, hey, we're doing it. Oh yeah. Um Hawker calls her mom and says she can't visit her about something vague. I don't know. Her mom asks if she still says her prayers because they protect her from the devil. Um, mom sounds weird, right? Yeah, yeah, but just overly religious kind of it it really reminds me of House of the Devil, like the phone calls does, because it's like the person sounds calm on the phone, but there's also something off about them. And it's kind of the way this mom is like, and then when you meet her, you're like, that's exactly how she sounded. She sounded spacey and weird. She's got kind of a crazy face. Yeah. Um, so while looking into some evidence and finding more patterns, she finds one, but hears whispers and a bump against the window where we vaguely see a devilish figure vanish, vanish. And I love um, it's so, it's so seven-like because there's a part in seven that's where Morgan Freeman goes to a library and he's like finding all this stuff, and it's like, ah, love it. Homages. Um, but also I forgot to mention the way that she finds out the patterns on all this, yeah, is the word long legs was the key to all the the things. How did she okay? And she also has like the book, uh, she also kind of uses the Bible. She used the Bible and then she used the seven circles, nine circles of hell book, whatever that is.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and that's where she gets the inverted triangle, which we're about to go into a little bit. I wonder if do you think she found the books using her psychic abilities? I mean, like turn to the because it kind of played the the music. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Well that that's a lot of it on why she's able to uh be able to do all this. Psychic impossible. It's because like uh the dolls in her head. It's like the show's psych. Yeah. But a real psychic. Yeah. Instead of fake psychics. I've never watched that show and I really wanted to. I always heard it was good. It's fine. I heard a lot of people was like, it's funny. It's kind of entertaining. And like it's there's the the boys are silly. And everybody loves silly boys. I should watch the uh Sherlock Holmes TV series. The one with Nick uh Benedict Cumberbatch. Yeah, it's really good. I always wanted to, and I just never got to it. Maybe now that I'm watching a lot of TV, like maybe one on our list, because I love Martin Freeman and Benedict Cumberbatch's weird alien bugface. Um so yeah. Parker tells um Carter that the deaths are an algorithm. All the deaths create an inverted triangle. He kills people six days before or after the girl's birthday, and on the f and one of the family's girl girls, Carrie Ann, uh camera, survived because she wasn't home. Carter and Harker are going to the former crime scene to look around. Yeah, this is where she explains that like if you fold them, they make like an inverted triangle.
SPEAKER_01:That didn't make sense to me.
SPEAKER_00:Like I I just I didn't buy it. Well, so okay. So, you know, she draws a line, she puts all she puts all the months, right? And then puts one through 30, 31, 29, 28. And then she draws it and the top part forms a triangle. And she's looking at the nine circles of hail, which is helping her find the pattern.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, but there's also like a bunch of different other points, plot points on that thing she was looking at. And then, but you have to fold it.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, and when you do these, but when you fold it, one triangle is pointed one way, the other one's pointed another way, which creates the pentagram. Gotcha. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I thought it was just a triangle. I don't remember seeing a pentagram. I'm sorry, Jason.
SPEAKER_00:I guess this movie should hold your hand more. Sorry, I I'm just able to think for myself, I guess. I don't know why I'm doing that before. It's because I talked about Valley Girl Devil. Now it's in my head. But no, though, I mean that's what that's what it's trying to do. I mean, I guess it could have done it a little bit more. Because I do understand the first time I watched it, I didn't fully get it, but you know, knowing the whole thing.
SPEAKER_01:Like the picture in the book wasn't even a pentagram.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, it was just the triangle with a yeah, there was like a star and one, right? I can't fucking remember. There was weird symbols, but everybody knows a pentagram, right? That's like devil shit. There wasn't even a pentagram. I'll give up. She said inverted triangle. I know. But it's I think you're just supposed to get it from like when she draws and she draws one triangle and then another triangle, and it's like, oh, and there's one, oh, also, and they do mention there's one day um that hasn't been circled yet. Yeah. And that's I'm assuming is hers. Yeah. And I'm I I assume that's supposed to be hers because you know uh she was saved or whatever by her mother, which we'll get there. Um, so I'm talking really fast. I got listening to the VHS bonus episodes, like the second honeymoon one, I'm like, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. I'm like, chill the fuck out, me. Golly, it's the coffee. It's just the coffee. It's like I'm sorry. Also, just talk fast in general. So following a clue that says X marks the spark spot. Um, yeah, they so they go to the old like camera family's house, they go into the barn, they see like a bunch of crosses on it that are kind of turned to where it's like X, she's like X marks the spot, and they go in and all the crosses are kind of pointing to where they want her to go. And it's like, hell yeah, symbolism and shit.
SPEAKER_01:And at the top of this there, there's a box being held up by a stick with a string tied to it.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, with just a few little skittles in there. She's like, oh, some candy. Um, and then like they go up there and they see a cross on the ground, and then they move the cross, open up underneath the ground, and there's a box uh with a doll in it.
SPEAKER_01:Dead child in it. Yeah, it looks like a dead child.
SPEAKER_00:It's so good. So glad it's good. It's really good at these dolls. Yeah. Um, and I love that they pick it up and they're like, what the fuck? And then, you know, you see it, and the dolls' eyes are closed, and you're like, I know it's gonna happen. The note has like a link to his Etsy story. Yeah, it's like, hit me up, yo. These are$50 a piece. And then, of course, before it cuts another scene, the doll's eyes open up because Carrie Ann.
SPEAKER_01:Whoever thought of putting that mechanic into dolls, fuck you. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:You know, actually, whoever invented dolls, porcelain realistic dolls, fuck off. What were you doing? God, I guess when, like, you know, because you know, when they made porcelain dolls, uh, everything sucked and was probably terrible and hard, like everybody's lives are hard, and we're like, this doll is not the scariest thing out there, I promise. There's people who just step on a rusty knell and that's their life, baby. So um, we learn the doll, the doll. The doll is porcelain and has human hair. Inside its head, they find a strange metal orb. When an ultrasound is performed on the orb, it emiss emits a whisper-like noise and triggers Harker's psychic psychic abilities. Um, then we cut to the doll looking into the mirror, and long legs comes into frame. I know you're not afraid of a little dark because you are the dark, and then puts the fucking death shroud on it.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. And it's like, man, um and then you know what? They don't mention the balls ever again. Well, until he says they cut it open.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Um so, and the cool thing is, um, so during this whole conversation, the corner or whatever, whoever is like undoing the dogs. Well, yeah, so he kind of is. He's falling into the trance of it. Yeah. And what I think the ball does is it creates anger built up by past like uh like family anger or whatever, or whatever your anger is towards like the person that you're married to and you're like your family. Because he says that he was like divorced, right? He doesn't he doesn't have a wife anymore, but he said that he had um flashes of his ex-wife.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I thought it was whispering to him.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. So he's just like it was that whisper, it's like, you gotta fucking kill our which is exciting. It's like our little clue that that's what's going on. Yeah. Well, I mean, I guess it's not really the clue. The clue was, hey, these fallers are killing these families. But it's just kind of it gives you a little edge, like, oh, whatever's in this thing makes people think of someone they want to kill. Yeah, hell yeah. Whatever resentfulness they have for people. Um, but yeah, then so we cut to long legs driving and listening to T-Rex. He goes to a mom and pop store, he acts weird to the cashier.
SPEAKER_01:I love the girl though. She immediately calls for her dad, and then the gross guy's back.
SPEAKER_00:She's like, Okay, what else do you want? Dad, gross guy's back. And then we cut to long legs driving, Daddy, mommy, unmake me and save me from the hell of living. Yeah, I love it. You ever do that in your car? In your car, scream? Yeah, yeah, just let out a I don't do it like often, but sometimes when I'm just like really pissed off at something, I've done it, you know. Just like, because the car is like the perfect place while driving to let out your rage, you know?
SPEAKER_01:One time I butt dialed a one of my friends, and she and I and I was I was so mad at something. I saw I was screaming at him in the car, and she called me back. I was like, oh hey, what's up? She goes, What the fuck did you just call?
SPEAKER_00:What are you doing? Yeah. It's like, what are you talking about? I was so embarrassed. One of the a weird thing that happened to me, so like I kind of have a weird thing with my tongue. I have a big tongue. Yeah. So like, like I play with it in my mouth a lot. Like I'll like, you know, I twist it and like I'll just I'll do that where I like stick it out and stuff. And there's one time I was doing it, I God, I sound like a fucking freak now. It's just, I don't know. I guess I have a weird oral fixation because I have a big tongue. I don't know. And so I was just like driving and I was like, oh, I think something's on my tongue. And I was like, doing that, looking in my rearview mirror, and I guess some of my friends passed me and they're like, they called and like, what are you doing? I was like, I really have no explanation of this. There's nothing I can say that makes this normal. I was like, oh, I just thought there was like something on my tongue. And they're like, okay. And I was like, well, I really did. But also, I'm just kind of weird with my tongue. So, Harker, they're gonna go visit Carrie-Ann Camera along with Carter, the lone survivor of former crime scene in a mental institute. Apparently, Carrie Ann was catatonic for years until she had her first visitor. When looking at the log, Harker sees her name is written down. I wasn't here. But it just I bet that doll opened her eyes whenever Carrie Ann became normal again. Because that was her doll. That was burst. Yeah. That was her doll that they found. Um, so Carrie Ann retells the story of receiving one of Long Legs' dolls as a birthday gift. We see visuals of her mom stabbing the dolls because I guess it was a very painful pregnancy and they were taking it on the doll. Her father acting like the doll is his daughter, um, cutting off a cow head. A peacher. Sweet. Why'd you do that? Just anger. Probably fucking pissed at these cows because they're not doing it right now. Looking at me wrong. Uh we see a preacher come in, he like says hi to him, he goes and looks at the doll, comes in. Oh, just come get your cow head. And then he gets like axed by the father. Blood spurts out on the wall. Yeah, and then like the mother comes into frame, just kind of looking at the doll. Oh, the she's looking at the doll. Yeah, and then like hits him, and then she puts her hand up and hits him again. And that's just kind of what we found. Uh and then the fucking psychic. Yes. The girl tells us like we hear voices from inside the doll instructing her what to do. She calls him the man under the stairs. She explains her unwavering obedience to Long Leg, stating she would do anything for him in claims. That's weird. Yeah. Why? Including committing suicide and even murder Hawker Hawker. She alludes that Hawker knows him, but doesn't remember you dirtsy, flirty old bitch. Yeah, I know this girl has got problems. Yeah. She was in a she's in a lot of Mike Flanagan stuff. Um some of that. No, wait, she's Sabrina. The new Sabrina.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, that's her. That's right. So but because of the scene, I thought for sure that Long Legs had like a cult. And he was like the head of like, because even he's kind of dressed like a fucking preacher.
SPEAKER_00:But he's Long Legs isn't like a cult leader. He is a part, he's a part of a cult of the devil. He's a satanic cult.
SPEAKER_01:I guess, but there's not really like I thought that they were all connected in a cult, and maybe that's how he's getting people to do these things.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, well, he he, I guess it's it's not him doing it, it's the devil's. Yeah, and putting the essence of Satan in it. Which is which is metal. He it's rap. Yeah, it's like cool idea, bro. Um, but it's like the idea is that he's being kind of controlled by he is uh, I guess in his own trance by the devil, and you know, he's a Satanist, he's and then he's like found some way where the devil's like, hey, you my boy, you like T-Rex, I like T-Rex. So also I noticed that you're really good at making dolls, dog. Um Pit Bull, yeah, Mr. Worldwide. Uh have you ever heard of Umbrella by Rihanna? Hell of a song. Great song if you have an umbrella and it's raining. Um but yeah, so essentially, like I guess he's able to put the essence of Satan in these little or balls, or maybe the balls already exist and he just has them. Satan's like, hey, knocks on the door, here's a ball, dog. This is the sack of balls. Yeah, here's a sack of balls to have a little bit of me in them. Um, and then he puts them in these dolls and gives it to these people who are these dolls. Um, and then we cut to Long Legs sitting in bed reading a Satanist book in what looks to be a basement. Whose? We'll never know, but it seems like he's a part of the Downstairs Man. This was a book it'd definitely be called The Downstairs Man. The Downstairs Man. Downstairs man. Um so Carter and Hawker are discussing the case. Harker still believes that Long Legs must have acted with an accomplice. By combining combining all the collected data, she realizes that the dates of the murders from form an upside-down pentagram uh with one date missing to complete the shape. So Carter doesn't understand why the case went from nothing to to nothing happening to now that Harker is on the case, that there's so much movement in the case. He asks her. Right. Well, just someone that's like connected mentally to the whole situation. Yeah. He asks about her mom, who on January 13th, 1974, called the cops the day before her own birthday, which is the 14th. Damn it. They had um uh apparently they had a trespass that was a tall and pale man. Carter tells her to go see her mother. So she goes to visit her mother. The first uh sits down, and you're like, This girl looks spacey as shit. Who is this girl? Um her witchy hair. Yeah. And then so the first thing her mother asks is if she says her prayers, and Harker says no because they scare her. Um, and her mom says, Yeah, you're right. She starts to kind of laugh. That was awesome. Prayers don't help us, they don't do a goddamn thing. Yes, which there seems to be a big debate in our country right now about thoughts and prayers, you know. But she still believes that they do, right? Or is she she's at this point completely tainted with the devil? She's insane. With her like a little speech at the end. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Um, so while making her mom some food, she hears noises coming from a door, then a flashback to her mom saying she will be off for Lee's birthday, then a car pulling up to her house, and the mom trying to call 911, but the phone is whispering.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, that was crazy. Um how do you think he did that? Dude, the f it's the metal ball. The devil.
SPEAKER_00:The devil. Yeah, you know, like classic satanic metal balls, they always interfere with your cell phone service, dude. Every time he's like, I got a bad connection, God dang it, devil. Get out of here. Um, so then we're back to the present, and Lee can't get into the door because it's locked. As she's about to get in there, her um mom calls, Lee. Um, she asks about her mom about her ninth birthday. Her mom says she doesn't remember anything about that day. When Harker presses her, she just keeps deflecting. Then she says, She is lucky, she got to grow up. Life is hard on little things. Yeah. She's allowed to grow like, what the fuck do you mean allowed? Yeah. It's like, what are you talking about, mom? Uh, then she gives her a hint saying she kept everything, they're all in her room. Oh, I'd hate that. I'd be like, Cool, mom. You want to go bring that down here? Because I don't think I trust you at this moment. So Harker goes upstairs, she finds a chest in her childhood bedroom containing a stack of Polaroids. Among them is a picture of a pale-faced man who she believes to be long legs. We see like a flash of like the like she picks up the thing and it just like flashes to like the present at the very beginning of the movie. Yeah. We see a flash, and now she knows she was the little girl from the beginning, or we know that now. We cut to the beginning. Um, we have long legs singing, uh, let me in now, and it can be nice. Make me go now, and I'll have to come back. Not once, not twice, but as many times as I'd like. Fuck him. That was horrible. Which is what happens because now that's to me, that's scarier than just the just the supernatural stuff. Can they both just be scary at the same time?
SPEAKER_01:It just doesn't make sense to me, and it doesn't fit in my brain.
SPEAKER_00:Well, I get it. Because it's just like there's a part of you that's like, I don't want any religious elements on it, right? Is that kind of what you're seeing?
SPEAKER_01:Not that I don't want any religious elements, but if you're going to try I don't know, I feel like they were trying going two different directions, maybe.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Well, I get it because we have so many movies like this where there is no uh paranormal shit, right? And it's just like a crazy person who believes too much in like a weird religion, but none of it's actually real, it's just a bad person, right? Yeah. And we see that so much, but I feel like the director and writer, Osgood Perkins, was just like, I like those movies, but also like my dang ass freaky horror shit. And he put them together. And I do understand that, like, if it doesn't fully work, you know, preferences on movies and how you want them to go. I get that. I was just confused. Yeah. Okay.
SPEAKER_01:I don't like being confused.
SPEAKER_00:I hate being confused. It's the devil, they get it. Try to confuse me. Don't whenever we do movies about devils, I can't control which voice of movies. It's so weird. Though often, like whenever I hang out with people and talk for long periods of time, I use weird voices, so it makes sense. So the uh the uh where was I? So yeah, um, this picture leads them to track him down because it goes to Carter, it's like, hey, this is a fucking guy, right? Yeah, it's like solved. It's like, should we like continue to do it just based on this picture? And she's like, This is him. Then how do they find him? Um, I don't know. The way people find people, I don't know.
unknown:I don't know.
SPEAKER_00:So I mean, it's it's not sure it's not like he just stays in his basement, right? He walks around and about. I'm sure like they're like, hey, has anybody seen what this person looks like? And they're obviously around that area, probably went to police station and be like, yeah, we get weird phone calls about this guy all the time.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Yeah, it's because you're not really needed. I mean, I feel like because well, people like me need a process. Well, I do get that. It just jumped from, oh, we got a photo of him, we don't know who he looks like. Now we know exactly where he lives.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. It's just kind of cutting out the uh it's cutting out all the just like a scene of like all the boring detective work. Hey, cop, hey, cops of this area, have you seen this guy? Oh, you know who he is? Yeah, that's it. So this picture leads him to track him down and arrest him in broad daylight as he waits for a bus. So was he leaving? Did he know he was caught? Yeah, I think he knew. Like he probably planned it. Because I mean he had it like two suitcases, right? Because he said he was going on vacation. I think his I think his idea was he had like one last thing to do, and it was kill the Carter family to complete his pentagram, maybe. He knows it's already gonna happen. And maybe like if that happened, which we'll get there, right? But let's remember there's one day that needed to be ha be done at the end of this movie, someone does die. Maybe that is what the missing date is, and then we'll discuss what that may mean at the end. Okay. So, um during the FBI interrogation, Longled states his full name as Del Ferdinand Cobble and expresses his desire to see Harker singing her happy birthday. All right. That was creepy as hell.
SPEAKER_03:So I think that's what um I don't know. This is tough.
SPEAKER_00:All right, so I guess we're just gonna keep going back to what type of movie it should have been, right? Because it does remind me a little bit of House of the Devil, which we just kind of did, of where it could have just been like that movie could have just been weird people call this babysitter over in the killer. But it's like, hey, actually, Satan. Satan. And this is kind of a movie where it's like, hey, they're investigating a serial killer, but hey, Satan. And whenever it just kind of reveals that this guy's just named Dale Ferdinand Cobble, it's like, the fuck kind of name is that to be a serial killer. Then it's just like, what is it?
SPEAKER_01:But like, just he's not really disarmed at that point.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. And then, but there's just like this ability to where it's just like, hey, but he stumbled upon this black magic, and now he's something scarier than he ever could have been. He could have made the next Pinocchio. Yeah, or if he was like lucky enough, got a band when he was a little bit younger, looked weird, people loved weird-looking rock stars back in the day. I mean, he kind of has the whole look of it, just you know, like older now, because I mean, like, he doesn't look too far from like just like a beaten-down Steven Tyler guy with a crazy face to himself, you know? Could have had a band called, like a metal band called Porcelain Doll. Dude, that's a good idea. And then he like he makes a spin-off band, Satanic Metal Ball. It's the next one. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Oh, so the FBI FBI says they are in a weird position because Harker is now actually a part of the case because she has like evidence that hey, he visited you. Uh, they say nothing should happen since he is in custody, but Harker tells him again that he isn't working alone and she wants to talk to him. The FBI woman, um, Browning, I think is her name, tells him he is right under her feet. Bum, bum, bum. Downstairs, man. The downstairs man. I can walk downstairs faster than anyone can. Um, and then there's the only thing in this movie. When do we get like our uh uh our Tom Green renaissance into filmmaking, right?
SPEAKER_01:I don't know. He's on TikToks every once in a while.
SPEAKER_00:You should put him in a horror movie acting weird. Like, he's doing he lives on a ranch. Does he? I know he lives in like Montana or some shit. He uh he became like a van laugh guy for a while, like where it was just him and his dog and he pimped out like a van. Nice to you know where he could just live in it, like uh the like you know, kind of nomad like. Yeah. Um, but yeah, he was doing that for a while. He's got like a full beard and wears cowboy shit. Yeah, it's kind of nice to see that he's kind of happy because he was weird and you know he's probably like depressed. And you could tell that, like, um, because he married Drew Barrymore. Yeah. There's obviously like uh a lot of sadness he has from that feeling. Yeah, I think he really cared about it. Anytime you see him talk about it, it's like, oh, he actually is really sad about that. He's like, wow, she's still really popular and has her own TV show. Dang it, I messed that up. Um yeah, so in a flashback to the beginning, he says he works for the downstairs man. You can call him Mr. Downstairs. So in the interrogation room, Long Legs tells her, Oh wait, hold on. Before I do that, let me get to the quotes. It's just like a big quote thing that is important, I feel like, for the entire movie. And I skipped it, and this is making this thing take forever.
SPEAKER_03:Sorry. Okay, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Oh my god, I wish there was 500 billion fucking ads on IMDB now. Jesus Christ. I can't see half the screen half the time. So, in the interrogation room, long leg long legs tells her he remembers when she was 20 and decided to go into law enforcement. Him and her had a good laugh. Hawker confronts him directly, like, who the fuck is her? Um, and then we yeah, we get this essentially things. Who is the she you're talking about? The seventh she to be given the same choice they've all been given: crimson or clover. Accept the gift and destroy, destroy yourself and yourselves, or keep it and bow down, bow all the way down and get right down to the dirty, dirty work. Work that gets dirty as it is clean, like a mop, like a rag. This is what's happening to the mother, right? She either become crimson or clover. She bowed down. So now cool cool. Uh you don't work alone, do you? Somebody's been helping you, an accomplice, long legs. Knock knock. On the farmhouse door, a nice lady with a Bible and a congratulations. You have been selected. You may now collect your gift from the church. It says right there, right here on the orders, the orders from the man downstairs. The camera family farmhouse will be so bright and white, you can't miss it. Um, and then she's like, You're referring to Carrie Ann Camera? What did you say to her at the mental institution? Oh, but Lee, your house was even wider when I came to visit. Um, yeah, and that's pretty much just explaining what he's doing. It's just like he's going to people, and it's like, bow down to the devil, or you take this down, you're gonna die. Yeah, essentially. Um, and then when asking about accomplices, he tells her to ask your mommy uh before declaring, hell Satan. Hail Satan. And then grisly smashes his head on the table, killing himself.
SPEAKER_02:Fucking fantastic.
SPEAKER_00:Let's go. Man, he's in this so hard. Uh great scene. And I love like his um, I cannot express how much how good Nick Cage is in the scene. His weird mannerisms. Like just whenever he like his hair kind of swoops a little bit to the left, and he like puts his face like where you only see like the left side of his face, and he's talking weird. And it's what do you do around that type of crazy? What do you do for that type of crazy? It's it's just so unhinged and great, and he's talk he talks so poetically, uh, but menacingly and cuckoo.
SPEAKER_01:Um, and it's just I didn't think you could kill yourself by smashing your head face into something. Uh, I guess if uh you know it hard enough, I suppose. If you got your boy the devil on your side and do whatever he says like that that scene with Batman and the Joker when he slams his face on the table like out of nowhere. That was sweet.
SPEAKER_00:Oh my god, I loved it. Uh so good. So Carter's pissed because they have nothing now. He says there was no accomplices and no black magic. Um, but it's very unusual for Carter, right? He's been calm, he's been trusting the whole time. Maybe it's because there's a doll now for his daughter. Oh, for Ruby. Yeah, I think this is when like the doll's already kind of kicking in his system.
SPEAKER_01:Do you think that the number that was missing was Carrie Ann? Because she jumped out of the window while he was running that day. So uh it was her birthday.
SPEAKER_00:But she but But the family died.
SPEAKER_01:Okay.
SPEAKER_00:The family died a long time ago and she got away. Because I was thinking it was maybe all right, let's get through this and then I'll kind of tell you what I think it is. Um so wanting to confront her mother, Harker drives to her house with another agent. I like how I'm giving like this. So, you know, la la la la la. So wanting to confront her mother, Harker drives to her house with another agent, Browning. Her name is Browning. Browning stays in the car while Harker goes in. She like she goes in, we kind of kind of hear like the was it Willow? Uh what was the game show? I can't remember. Was that Price's Right? Game show music kind of playing in the background while she's walking through.
SPEAKER_01:Must not have known. I was just like focused.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, and then she starts, she's starting to go up to her bedroom, and then we see Browning, and all of a sudden the mother's behind with a giant shotgun. Bang. Um, and to say the least, Browning's head explodes. It paints the walls of the car. It's great. I thought that car could use some red. That was that was a great scene. Yeah. So and she witnesses this from her mother shooting the colleague with a shotgun from the bedroom. Harker goes outside to find her mother who's ready to shoot a doll that looks like Harker.
SPEAKER_01:She says just like another kid from the neighborhood. Yeah, right.
SPEAKER_00:It's like, damn, she just decided to kill everybody. She says, You caught him and now he's free. Her mother shoots the doll heads off, causing Harker to faint, while Black Mist comes from Harker and the doll's head. That was awesome. So, what is that supposed to mean? I don't know. I think it's just kind of the dark magic being released. So I think she's no longer under control of the doll. So see, the mom was like doing her a favor. Uh yeah, I think so. Like, because now, like, she severed the connection between her and the doll, essentially. That's how I saw it. Because it's like leaving her head. And um, which then that kind of makes me think, oh, the missing day isn't Harker, it's something else. Um But yeah, I think that was all I wanted to say about that. So, and then we cut to in a flashback montage, it is revealed that Harker's mother was Long Legs' accomplice all along. She poses a nun, delivering the possessed dolls to the families that would later be murdered, and she had to watch. She made this pact with long legs to spare Harker's life when she was young. Harker's own doll, still intact and unused, gave her psychic powers and guided her in life. Long legs lived in the family's basement during her childhood, earning him the title the downstairs mount man. The glowing eyes, because they show the glowing eyes a couple times in this. It's fucking fantastic. Yeah, that was um that's it. I guess assuming that that's just the devil had the doll.
SPEAKER_01:She didn't remember that this guy lived in her basement?
SPEAKER_00:No, I think it was um she just maybe she didn't think it was. I think that it was like blocking out her memories and stuff. Oh, yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. Um but yeah, and essentially it was like all this was being used. Uh essentially that you know, she wanted to be an actress, but instead she got into the FBI work so we can complete this whole cycle that they're trying to do here, which I think is a full ritualistic thing, as well I will get more into towards the end of this. So waking up in the basement to the sound of a ringing phone, Harker stumbles up, uh stumbles up, um, and we get this great upside and down camera because her life has just been turned upside down. Yeah, that was weird. That was crazy. I was just like, that's meaning that. Um, she goes to answer the phone, and a deep voice on the other side, other end, tells her, You're late for Ruby's party. The devil called her. Oh, I know. He never makes house calls. He's a great assistant. Yeah. Um, Harker takes Long Legs' car from her mother's garage and races to intervene, screaming like long legs herself. Yeah, that was nuts. Yeah, it's I love when movies can make the villain and the hero act the same in the same fucking car. It's fucking cinema.
SPEAKER_01:I know, like, but at see at this point, I still thought maybe like she had been brainwashed and she was like a what do you call those? The people that wake up with a code word and they kill the president. Yeah. One of those people.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Uh shit, what do they call it?
SPEAKER_01:I don't know. You know, like Winter Soldier or whatever.
SPEAKER_00:From the movies. Uh uh something made. Yeah. Fuck everybody. Yeah, whatever. Um Manchurian Candidate. Yeah. Yeah. That movie. Man, the original, good. The uh remake was crazy. It was wild. Um, so yeah, where are we at? Uh so yeah. Harker, she took a long legs car, screaming like long legs herself. She finds her mother already at Carter's, at the Carter's, and the family is under a trance in the presence of the doll. Um, because she's like, Oh, it's like, hey, I'm here for the party. She's like, Oh, you're late. They all seem kind of normal, but a little too cheery. Yeah. And they're like, hey, come in. Why don't you? And then when the Carters like let her come in and closes the door, it's a reflection of the devil in the window. The glass plane. I was like, wait a second, did they fuck oven? Is that the cameraman reflecting the door? And then I like I paused it right on.
SPEAKER_02:I was like, that's the devil.
SPEAKER_00:He's just like, nobody let me in. And then I put in my notes, I'm rock hard right now. I don't, I don't know what that could be talking about. Because when I paused it, because I had to rewind it, and then I was just waiting for the door to close. And I paused it, and then I you could see the devil, and I kind of got like, there's kind of like a little chill up my spine, yeah, but like an exciting one. That's awesome. So when she tries to tell them that her mom is the accomplice, Carter yells at her. Suddenly, Carter and her wife start acting weird because he's like, Hey, the mother's like, Hey, honey, why don't you uh go uh get a knife and cut the cake? And then uh the wife like has like something in her throat or whatever. It's almost like she might be like fighting back against like the trance. And he's like, he kind of gets upset. It's like, yeah, well, how about since you brought it up? I go fucking cut the cake. But then they kind of get a little calm again. It's like, hey, let's go together. And it's like, and she's um, what is it? Uh yeah, and they're like, We'll be right back. Uh, the mother says, and then Carter's like, no, I will be, but you will be in the kitchen still. And it's like when something FBI agent. When that scene, when that scene happens, it's like, well, she could have stopped the murder, right? Yeah, she could have just killed him. I guess she was kind of hoping that like the mother would stop it a little bit. Um, but so yeah, um, yeah, the small burst of anger, but also like kind of the nervousness. It's it's very strange and I like it.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it was very weird. Like the mom and the daughter were like in bliss. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And he was all fucking nuts. And it's like there's that's why I always feel like there's a parallel parallel between alcoholism and this movie a little bit because it's like, you're the daughter, and it's like, well, I'm just living in like my little world, and they're my parents are kind of they're nice one second, then all of a sudden there's a small anger, and now my mom's nervous, and they're kind of all both nervous, and it's I don't know, you know? Snap, stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, so Harker's mom says they have to finish the ritual or they will burn in hell. She eventually says, Hell Satan. You got all this great, like, because she's going on this like little wrong, long rant. You see her like cover putting like blood on her face and stuff, and like flashbacks, and then you see her got blood on her. She's in the like in front of this tree doing this, and you're like, Oh, wait, she is straight up controlled by the devil right now. Or that tree. Yeah, or that devil tree. It's like double tree, but instead it's a little bit scarier. Scarier motel. Um, after Carter murders his wife in the kitchen, Harker shoots and kills Carter to protect the daughter. Her mom still intends to kill Carter's daughter to complete the ritual, so Harker is forced to shoot her own mother to break the trance and stop the killings. However, she is unable to shoot and destroy the doll as she is out of bullets. I hate when that happens. The movie ends with a shot of long legs in the interrogation room, once again saying, Hell Satan, and blowing a kiss to the audience.
SPEAKER_01:And then he wails on a guitar.
SPEAKER_00:And then T-Rex kicks in with the song Bang a gong and the credits roll backwards. That was cool.
SPEAKER_01:Um Satan.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. So that's so silly. I do think, you know what? Actually, now like reading that again.
SPEAKER_03:Uh, well shit. I don't know. Huh.
SPEAKER_00:Because I to me it felt like the ending of the movie is that the devil was released somehow. And that maybe killing the mother like released it because they didn't complete the ritual, so now it's like, or it's just one of those things where we do know the devil's dead, and because Harker did not complete the ritual, now she's like, damned to hell, maybe type of situation. It is a bit of a thinker.
SPEAKER_01:It doesn't make any sense. Like bringing him back at the end, is he still alive? Did he grow his face back?
SPEAKER_00:No, I think that's a little like I saw it as something of being like, it's not over. Yeah, okay, yeah, because the doll is still there. The doll is still there and the devil is still around. Yeah. And like, I guess the I guess because the daughter didn't die, the ritual wasn't complete. So now it's this We're all done.
SPEAKER_01:Sorry, Hawker.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:It's kind of just I feel like he could have had he could have killed a lot more people if he would have had an online store. Because he was good at making dolls. He could have made a killing.
SPEAKER_00:I mean, whatever if this guy just lived a couple more years and the internet happened. Yeah, his dolls would have expected. It would have been so much easier for him. Ugh. I'm sorry, long legs. Like if you just waited a little bit, you would have been this would have been no problem for you. That's sad. There'd been a lot of people who really love to collect porcelain dolls. And haunted dolls. Yeah. People love that shit. Everybody would be dead. So, Jason, what's the point of the movie? The point. What do you think the point of the movie is? I need some water. Your boy porched.
SPEAKER_01:I don't know if there is a point exactly, because I was so confused by the way this movie was going and the directions that it went that it went. I don't know. A lot of the story was left out. Maybe the point is that don't have life-sized dolls in your house.
SPEAKER_00:Well, so what I think the point of the movie is that evil can come from anyone. It could be from a loser living in a basement or even a religious mother that cares for a daughter. Also think it's a movie about what a parent would do to protect their child. Yeah, that's a good point. They would literally accept the devil in so that the fuck yeah. That'd be right. Um, and I think the it being based off like uh Osgood's like relationship with his parents, I think that's what it is. Like they're trying to protect um him from you know a world that does not accept gay people, especially at that time, especially like actors. Um and I essentially I think it's just about like a mother trying to protect her child, but you know, it's the devil, so it's you know maybe it's just about being emotional maturity. Yeah, you know, think a little bit. It's hard it's hard to be something little growing up in an evil world. Though guys, the whole world's not evil. We gotta stop thinking like that, you know? God damn dolls.
SPEAKER_01:But yeah, oh, bro. Like labo boos can suck.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I did not know what labo-boos were until all of a sudden everybody was obsessed with it, and I started seeing YouTube videos about it. About people complaining how obsessed people are with it, and I'm like, we gotta we've gotta fucking get get a grip. Yeah. Everybody out there, get a grip. Just watch weird movies.
SPEAKER_01:And then you know fighting over dolls. You know, after she got her laboo-boos, she ordered a set of teletubies. Like, so now we have the teletubies sitting on our and it just reminded me of 28 years later.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. I gotta keep these. It's also a little thing in Peacemaker a little bit, except not teletubbies. But um, yeah, man, I think this movie fucking goes. I think it's act uh well, actually, let's just get in the good, the bad, the ugly, the fine. Well, where we just guess the good of the movie, something we like, the bad, something we didn't like, the ugly, something that didn't age well, the fine, something that did age well. I put for the good, the camera work, the spacing in the film, and obviously the acting. The acting is outstanding. I feel like some Nick Cage should have been nominated for an Oscar instead of the same boring performances we always see nominated for Oscars. What did you think was good, Jason?
SPEAKER_01:I like the Agent Harker. I thought she was fantastic. I thought Nicolas Cage did a great job. Um I kind of wish I would have seen more of his kooky character. Yeah. Cuckoo character. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:I think if we I want to see him go cuckoo for Coco Puss. I'm not gonna lie. So, like, I understand people want to see more of him. I think if we saw too much more, it would have been too comical. Yeah the way he's acting. Because you know, like whenever you're it almost feel like it's trying too hard to be crazy versus I feel like we got so little in it, and it was just weird and kind of jarring, and especially the way they put it into the film at certain points. I think we would go an hour before we really see him and like see his whole full body essentially and how weird he is. Yeah, I think if we got too much of it, it would have just been like this might be too much.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, you're probably right. But I am with you.
SPEAKER_00:I would love like, hey, let's get like a 40-minute short film in like the extras of just like just him progressing through his life, like just a quick little short thing. Would have been fun.
SPEAKER_01:Doing his crazy as you can.
SPEAKER_00:Face. Um for the bad, I put uh people's opinions. Let me put aka Jason. No, I'm I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. It's five. But I really don't have like anything that bad. Um, I do understand that I guess it is can kind of be confusing, but I don't know. I just feel like I kind of I grasped it.
SPEAKER_01:I felt like some of the writing was kind of bad. Especially like the Carrie Ann girl in the mental health institution. I thought I didn't I didn't think the writing is bad, but I did not like her performance that much. Maybe that's what it was. Um maybe it was her and um She didn't play crazy good. No, I don't think so. And the her partner. There's this one scene after he looked at um well after they went to the house, I think. He's like, well, or they let's go to the mental hospital to see the the girl. Oh yeah. Now on the way to go to our next one.
SPEAKER_00:Gotcha. I get that. I understand. I guess it did I for some reason it didn't really strike me, but I don't know. I understand that it does sound a little silly. It's like, oh, we found this doll. All right, let's go talk to Carrie Ann. Oh, the Professor Ann, Carrie Ann. Um, that is Gilligan's Island reference.
SPEAKER_01:Um the horniest island in the 80s. Jeez. I mean, was it the 70s?
SPEAKER_00:Well, whenever you know everybody looks the same being stranded on a desert island, I mean, you know. Oh, oh man.
SPEAKER_01:Ginger?
SPEAKER_00:When no one when no one ever seems to be dirty and like starving to death, you know, on an island, you everybody kind of looks good, you know. Crank up the coconut radio and have a party. Yeah. Um, what did you get for the ugly?
SPEAKER_01:Um it's a new movie. Using the devil as the bad guy all the time.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, come on. He seems like an alright guy. He is an alright guy. I mean, all he does is just like make people do rituals and sacrifices and you know, have families have fathers kill. You know what? You know what my ugly is? We gotta stop freaking blaming the devil and everything when people just need to go to therapy. Yes. Thank you. Come on, thank you, and we need to start. Looking for signs for fathers that are gonna kill an entire family. Mothers can do it too. Yeah. Even kids can do it. Family brothers did it. God dang it. Um yeah, I guess that could be it. We use, you know, we use movies that uh describe people with mental disabilities as like Satanists and things when it's just like some people are discreet. Yeah. But also it's just bad casting to cast Satan in this role. Yeah, seriously. Like, I don't know. Like, how about the Manson guy or whatever?
SPEAKER_01:That's what it seemed like too. A little bit of Manson thrown in there. I don't know if other people do his dirty work.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Because Manson, what's the devil? The devil. I'm bad at guitar. Poetry. Yeah. Snake just farted. Way to go, brother. Just aimed right for my feet. That's the ugly. So the fine. Something that age will. I put Nick Cage, man. Fucking a. Way to go, brother. Serial killer movies. Mika Monroe. I mean, still crushing it in all these like little horror movies. Yeah, man. This movie was under$10 million. It made over$10 million its first week. And it's like the highest grossing, uh, fastest-grossing horror movie since like Insidious Chapter 2, which was like in 2011 or 12. So uh big success of a movie, and I'm glad because even though there might be issues you have with it, but I don't know. There's not really a lot of movies like this. No. Slow, very vibey, uh atmospheric, and you know, I don't know, just kind of weird. Like weird movies. I mean, I guess like all movies are kind of getting weird. It's all made by millennials now, so it's like horror weird.
SPEAKER_01:It kind of reminds me of uh the movie with Nicolas Cage where he has to find the constitution by following National Treasure? Yeah, national treasure. It's like a horror national treasure because she's following the clues. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:X marks the spot. I gotta put, I gotta find Benjamin Franklin's glasses. Is that a Nick Cage? Is that good Nick Cage? Yeah, and they're just like standing on buildings, just like, damn it. Wow, this guy stole the decoration of we should, I don't know what we should do that. Let's do it. Everybody loves that movie. That was not a I remember watching it and joining it as a kid, but that movie is considered like a masterpiece for like people of our generation. Really? Like everybody loves that movie. Like, if you talk bad about National Treasure, people will murder you. They're national treasure. Yeah. You know, listening to people talk about Nick Cage movies, and I've heard people do, you know, especially when this movie came out and like the movie Pig, and you know, he's kind of getting like, oh, he's a good actor again. Like, hey, we love Nick Cage. People did like Nick Cage Hall of Fames or top ranked movies, and people who did not in their podcast put National Treasure in like his top movies just fucking hate comments. It's like, you guys are fucking idiots. National Treasure is the best movie that he's ever done. And it's just like, man, nostalgia really makes people angry. Like, it's something that I've just realized like a while ago. Uh guys, uh, I'll be right back up.
SPEAKER_04:Snap, snap, snap.
SPEAKER_00:I have an axe in my garage I need to go get real quick. No, yeah. I mean, well, yeah, like now as an adult, they suck, but you know, as a kid, it's like cool costumes, man. They blow on swords and shit. Yeah. Everything I always wanted to do as a kid, as an adult, is like, I want to blow on a sword and become a giant robot.
SPEAKER_01:What color uniform should the Asian girl wear? How about yellow? Bro, fucking shut up. What color uniform should the black guy wear? How about black?
SPEAKER_00:Well, Jason, I don't know what to say, man. The stuff we grew up on just, you know, just it was what it was. But they made more and they didn't do that. That's good. Yeah, but the fucking Green Ranger rules, Jason. It did.
SPEAKER_01:That was an epic storyline.
SPEAKER_00:Something that wasn't good about Power Rangers? The new movie they had not so long ago. I haven't seen it. Everybody say it was never probably. And I disagree. It was mediocre epic. All right, we're gonna hit our next category because we are dragging on, but this was a fun movie to talk about. What is a movie that you think goes alongside and would be a great watch next to Long Legs? I just want to watch Silence of the Lambs again. Seven Zodiac. Fucking I've never seen Zodiac. Maybe I should watch that one. It's wild. Uh we're gonna do it on the podcast. And maybe we'll do it in January next year. I want to kind of do like just a banger month where we just kind of do our some of the best films ever made. Hell yeah. Um yeah. You should watch Zodiac, dude. It's got what in terms of one of the scariest scenes and a scheme, a scene that just like literally it feels like spiders walking all over me whenever I watch it. And it's it's in broad daylight in a park, and it's just it just fucking makes me feel bad. It's great. Um, so we'll do that soon. Like a walk what's in the box moment. Kinda, but it's just, you know, two people enjoying life, and then the next thing you know, they're not enjoying life anymore. Oh. Yeah, it's fucking they get married or something. Rough Zing. Uh, and it's just like a small little scene, and it's like, it's not like overtly showing violence and stuff, but like you hear the violence, and I don't know. Fucking uh Hell yeah, I can't wait. Good director, dude. So I decided to choose a movie that I think came, yeah, it came out the same year as Long Legs called Oddity. Off the T. It's a great movie. It's on Hulu, and I think Disney Plus. Um, so there's a character named Danny Odella Timmons, a psychiatric's wife, is brutally murdered in her newly acquired country house. Her twin sister Darcy, a clairvoyant, investigates the crime, uncovering a sinister polite involving her sister's. Is it the devil again? Um swear to god, if it's not the devil again. No, but um, there's a weird, like doll-like creature in it. Um the lead is really kind of creepy and she's blind. Nice. Um, it's great. Uh the cinematography, the uh ambience and stuff in the movie is so good. Uh yeah, it's just a great little quiet uh movie that's really creepy and it's only like an hour and a half. I almost thought about doing it. Uh it was on the list of things to do, but we can do it at another time. Yes, check out Oddity. It's rad. It's one of the best horror movies that came out last year. No one talks about it because it didn't come out in theaters, because you know, we have a problem with how movies are really.
SPEAKER_01:I really want to get that streaming service that it's all horror movies.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, uh Shudder? Yeah. Yeah. It's AMC Plus now. Um it's kind of it's mixed in with it, so you can also get all the AMC shows and things like that. All right. That is our conclusion of long legs. Sorry, I put my long legs on. Um join us next week because we're not done with the trauma-filled horror. Yay! Because we're doing one of the best horror movies to come out in the past decade. Yeah. Fucking hereditary. Ah, love hereditary. If you haven't seen it, get ready to be nervous and spooked. I halfway through the movie, I had to pause it. I was like, Natalie, I gotta pee. I need to breathe. Yeah, stress. It is family stress. Straight up stress.
SPEAKER_01:That's how you do it.
SPEAKER_00:Nothing but stress. Stress. The movie is stressful. If you don't like stress, don't watch the movie, but watch the movie because stress is good. Oh, it really is. It's one of the it's directed by Ari Aster, did Midsummer, Bo is Afraid, and Eddington, which should be coming out on Blu-ray soon. He only makes movies that are now three hours long. Don't fucking understand the world we live in. Every god dang director has to make three hours movies, but he makes good ones. This movie's not three hours. Okay. Sorry, I'm ranting about movies and theaters. So join us next week for hereditary. Hey, if you got anything you want to talk to us about, send over in the description. There is a link at the top that you can click and text us at the bottom. I meant to roll my R's, but I went. Or at the bottom, there is our Gmail, which is we recommend uh mailbag at gmail.com. I almost always forget the name. Leave us some good reviews, guys, and like tell people about us. Come on now. This is the first time in a little bit where in between recordings, we didn't get a new listener. Yeah. And it makes me a little sad.
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SPEAKER_00:So come on. Don't do that. Let's make a goal. I want a goal of a hundred listeners by the end of Halloween. Oh, yeah. And if you do it, you know what we'll do? We'll just keep doing the podcast. So do you have to give up? And uh yeah, just appreciative. Just like and share us, you know. Someone, I mean, obviously, somebody out there likes us because we keep getting listeners. So tell your friends about us, be like, hey, just check them out, see if you like them. And even if they don't like them, ask them to leave a good review so more people would follow, find us. And I don't know, we'll do a movie every day at some point. I don't know. Not really. That'd be insane. A lot of movies. Yeah. I would start running out and be like, I can't do this. Um, but yeah, I'd like to thank Joey Proster for intro and outro music. Uh, don't forget to listen to this coming Friday for our new VHS segment that we're doing. I believe this one is Tuesday the 13th or 17th, something like that. Um, so listen to that. Uh, thank you for listening. This has been the We Recommend Podcast. I'm Jesse. I'm Jason. Hell Satan, guys. Hell Satan. Bye.
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