We Recommend: A Movie Podcast
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Sinners
This week we are discussing one of the best movies of the year, Sinners. We have both Dakota and Devin joining on this one! Our first four person episode! This is a fun one and if you think so give us a follow and leave a good review! Happy Holidays!
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Hello and welcome to the We Recommend Podcast, a movie podcast where every week we recommend a movie for you to watch, and then come back here and listen to us discuss. I'm Jesse. I'm Jason. I'm Devin. I'm Dakota. Blues wasn't forced on us like the that religion. Nah, son. We brought that with us from home. It's magic what we do. It's sacred and big. Because this week we recommend sinners.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Let's go, baby. Our first four-person podcast. It's been two years in the making since I had that microphone.
SPEAKER_04:We did a four-person one before. Foot passing? No, we didn't. Damn. Did we not do Saw?
SPEAKER_02:We did three. That was only the Saw 2 was only three. Jason couldn't come. That was supposed to be our first one. And then Hot Fuzz, Jason wasn't there again looking at you.
SPEAKER_04:I swear he was here because didn't you give him didn't we both give him crap saying, Did you watch the movie? No.
SPEAKER_02:That was Devin and doing that to Jason. And then we did it again when you got here on the seventh.
SPEAKER_05:We might have done it to him too. It's my ADHD, man. I get distracted easily. We got a bird. It's it's horrible.
SPEAKER_02:Confused looks all around. All right, guys. Sinners. Did y'all like the movie? If yes, why? If no, get out. Jason, let's start with you. This is your first time watching it, right? Fully all the way through.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, it kicks ass. So much ass.
SPEAKER_02:It's so good. It's uh, it's just wild. I'm just so glad he stopped doing Marvel movies and was like, I want to do a fully original movie.
SPEAKER_05:Yes. Oh, you you think he did he redeemed himself from Wakanda and Wakanda 2?
SPEAKER_02:Well, Wakanda forever. Well, Black Panther was Black Panther one was good.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, they were good. I liked I liked Black Panther.
SPEAKER_02:That's like in my top like five or six. Um, Devin, what do you think about Sinners?
SPEAKER_03:I love this movie.
SPEAKER_02:What is it about it that makes you like it?
SPEAKER_03:Uh the world, the characters, has horror, and it feels like a full film. Like it doesn't need a sequel.
SPEAKER_02:Like it's a complete and I was reading that's like what he wanted to do for this movie. He's like, All right, I did all these big franchises, and people have been asking, like, are you gonna do a sequel with this, a prequel or something? And he's like, I just wanted to make one movie that was like fleshed out and all the way through. Though I do think I want to the Native American vampire hunters. Yes, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:It could do something with that.
SPEAKER_02:Let's get like a Native American director in there and let's have him do a prequel to that would be cool. That would be great. Because when those guys showed up, I was like, dang, they're so cool. Yeah. They made business. They knew what they were doing.
SPEAKER_04:Well, you never see like the well, like the concepts of everything like that are kind of different in there, like Native American vampire hunters. Like I just thought that would be a really cool concept to see.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. I actually have a book, uh, audible book that I'm gonna listen to eventually. It's like Stephen Graham Jones, who's like a popular, he's like a Native American and he makes like Native American kind of folklore horror books. He did one called Only the Good Indians, and it's like one of my favorite books. But now he's got one that's out and it's I think it's called The Buffalo Hunter, and it's about Yeah, we wanted to read that too. It's about Native American like uh vampire hunters, I think. So it's gonna be I can't wait to listen to it.
SPEAKER_05:Like if you um listen to Snap Judgment, I don't know, but some of the Native American horror stories are the most fucking crazy monsters you've ever heard of. Well, like Welcome to Dairy. We all been watching that fire show kicks ass.
SPEAKER_03:Dude, don't start. Don't start.
SPEAKER_04:We're talking about we're on the opposite sides here because well, I've only seen one episode still.
SPEAKER_05:So I'm I'm caught up and I'm not caught up, but I love it.
SPEAKER_04:Um how many episodes have you watched?
SPEAKER_05:Uh three or four.
SPEAKER_04:Okay. So number three didn't kill it for you?
SPEAKER_03:No. We're talking about a movie that brought us together. Okay. Right now we're so divided. It's traditional.
SPEAKER_04:Speaking of uh Welcome to Dairy, that's like also with uh Pet Cemetery, I think, is based off like Native American stuff as well.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, hell yeah. They got some crazy shit going on.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, because there's nothing more scary apparently than a Native American burial ground, you know?
SPEAKER_05:That's why they smoked the peace pipe. They got to.
SPEAKER_04:Well, you know, we decided to hide their history for a long time. So let's try and bring it back, you know, see what we murdered away. Yeah, and to bring it back to the first question I asked, Dakota, what is it about this movie that you really liked? Um well, alone with it is the music. Like I think I told you when we like this is a movie you have to, like, I'm saying you have like to really fully appreciate it was that you know the one scene with the singing.
SPEAKER_02:I got you'll have to be more uh the big sendo of like seeing the cast of stuff. Almost every single song in this, I get chills a little bit.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, well, that one like in poor Robin clean. It's the scene where he finally Preacher Boy is singing. No, I know that's easy. Dude, like that was the first time I got hardcore chills, and I was like, and it was in my brain's like this, it was the meme, absolute cinema. Yeah, yeah. It was so good, and it made me realize I was like, this is what we don't really get anymore. I guess it's the same thing I kind of felt like Dune was one of those movies, but I still say sinners evoked a more uh emotional response.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, this was the first time in a long time where a movie had a scene where I was just like, I don't know. It's like I kind of feeling it now where I'm kind of getting the chills a little bit, just thinking about it. And I haven't had that in a really long time in a movie. And there's also something in movies that it's almost kind of hard to explain where you just like know something magical happened. It's almost, you know, in bringing up a Marvel movie. Yay. When Thanos snapped, there and it kind of goes uh very quiet for a second, and there was kind of this weird feeling you had inside. I don't know if this was is almost especially because of the theater experience, everybody was super quiet, and everybody's like, wait, did anything happen? And there's this quietness, and it just kind of invoked this weird like something special just happened, and I don't know what it is. But like times 5,000 with the scene with Sinners and when Pre-Trip Boy was singing, where it's just like I'm experiencing something I didn't expect to be experiencing, and it's just like this is why I like movies, this is why I have a podcast about movies, this is it, and I'm just so excited.
SPEAKER_05:It reminded me to love that scene from Black Snake Mo, that blues scene where they're all right.
SPEAKER_02:It's been a while since I've seen that. I should rewatch that. The movie's wild. I just remember when Harry has a panic attack at the end with uh Justin Timberlake where the two semi trucks are by the way. Oh yeah, oh yeah. Just slow, just like chill out, guys. Okay. Well, I just thought I was gonna do it. I do remember what you're talking about. Yeah, I need to rewatch that. That movie is wild.
SPEAKER_04:Well, doesn't she like calm him down by like lifting her shirt up and just like putting hold of me on too? I was like, come on, okay.
SPEAKER_05:Dakota, I need you.
unknown:All right.
SPEAKER_04:Um I do I wonder if so my uh my girlfriend, she was talking about it. She was debating watching it. I was like, look, it's kind of a long movie, and I always think this. I was like, I feel like Sinners can be its own two movies. The first half, they're setting everything up in the juke joint, and then I feel like it's you get the second part of a different movie the second the dude falls from the sky and runs away. It's like this is the new movie, and I just feel like if you separated them and tried to make something you could out of their own.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I mean, definitely before the vampires show up, it could have just been like, hey, it's this these African Americans trying to like set up a juke joint in the middle of uh Mississippi where Mother's glance. Which I feel like that's been a movie that we've seen like a bunch, right? So then this is like a new spin on like, hey, black people struggling in the south during the Jim Crow era. And uh, but also they have to worry about freaking vampires. So, you know, so like so much tension can be bought. Um and it's like, you know, the vampires are cooler. I really dislike the vampires. Vampires freaking sick, their eyes glowing. That was amazing. Like when cornbread's out there taking a leak and you have all of the little fireflies, and then all of a sudden, two little eyes, and like, wait, those aren't blinking.
SPEAKER_04:There's a vampire. So good. I love that design choice that they did for it, and so good to watch.
SPEAKER_02:It kind of reminds me of Midnight Mass, where they also had their glowing. And is that like a thing in vampire lore that they have glowing eyes?
SPEAKER_04:Uh I don't think so. I if it's what I so I saw one thing, someone mentioned that they should do that for Batman. Give him glowing eyes to show that he's a predator. I think it's to show how predators are when you see light. That might be the interpretation. Batman glowing eyes? Yeah, like because he's in the dark and he's like a predator hunting down the victim. But he's trying to be stealthy. Yeah, but it's also meant to be scary because you see it and you're like, what the fuck is that?
SPEAKER_02:That's true. He is kind of adopting his whore, his uh uh what do you scare.
SPEAKER_04:Well, he's supposed to like um well, he's supposed to give them their fear, and he also is trying to invoke fear because he always says that Gotham is a very superstitious place. So he's trying to make them scared of him through that. Like he's a predator. So I think that might be the interpretation they're going for, is that they're animals and that you see their eyes, but his eyes would glow if he when he goes into detective mode.
SPEAKER_02:Well, it's supposed to, but we don't get that. So uh Michael B. Jordan, what did y'all think about his career before Sinners? And now that he's done Sinners, is this his best uh acting that you've seen from him?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I think so. I mean, it's hard to pull off, you know, twins and have their own, you know, identity different.
SPEAKER_02:And by the way, this movie is very special in terms of how it's did the twins thing. Uh, you know, a lot of times when you have twins in movies, they're always kind of like separated and they don't really see them touch or anything. It was a very big deal whenever he passed the cigarette to his uh when Stax passed the cigarette to smoke because it's like, oh shit, these two bodies are in the same scene. Yeah, it looks like Michael B. Jordan's face on both of them, and wow. Yeah, just well, because you know, usually in those they kind of have it where it's kind of split and they added in uh him acting on the other side. But in this, they're two bodies in the same role passing a cigarette, and the face looks fantastic because it's just a CGI face on them.
SPEAKER_04:Well, yeah, it's also better than all the other D-aging stuff we've gotten from Disney lately, too. It's been had oh yeah, I mean even the Stranger Things that just did it.
SPEAKER_02:Oh yeah. Oh, gotcha. Um, yeah, so like Michael B. Jordan, like before this, what was y'all's favorite role of him? He's so good at Killmonger. Just whenever he killed Monger.
SPEAKER_04:I really loved him in that.
SPEAKER_02:That made me well it's Black Panther one, where he's a villain. Yeah, okay. Yeah. It's just his line at the end.
SPEAKER_04:Did you watch the movie?
SPEAKER_05:Yeah. Oh, good. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Um I guess that made me appreciate him more. I've always kind of liked him, but when that came out, just his delivery and how he acted with it, like, especially his ending quote in Black Panther. He's like, my uh what was it, my ancestry?
SPEAKER_02:I'd rather die than live a life in chains or something like that.
SPEAKER_04:Like I said, like the ocean or whatever. Stabbed me in the heart. It was good. And he just did a really good job of how he presented it, and that made me appreciate it more.
SPEAKER_02:Also feel like he's always one of the coolest person ever in a movie. Anytime he shows, like especially in this, when he shows up, like both as Smoke and Stack, where Stack, he's kind of almost got like this kind of like an Italian gangster look, and then Smoke, he's got more of an Irish gangster look, which is two uh gangs in Chicago at the time, and you could tell, like, really smart about this movie is that like, oh, they're twins, so they probably like, all right, I'll go talk to like the Irish gangs, and then you go talk to like the uh Italian gangs, and that's how they're able to like steal from him and rot from him. And that's like but he just looks so cool in those suits, and then in kill when he's killmonger, I'm just like, golly, I wish I was cool.
SPEAKER_04:And I'm not well. I think it also gives credit to him. Like an underdog or dodgeball. Um the Creed movies, they're good. Like, you know, it's hard to continue a series after so many years and make him good.
SPEAKER_02:His delivery and creed whenever he's like imprisoned because he got in the fight, and then Sylvester Stallone comes up to him and he's just like, I don't want to end up like my dad. And then he's like crying. I'm like, come here, I go be Jordan. I'll give you a hug, brother. Cool. So um this uh can I said that? So if you had to pick a movie, Creed, Black Panther, or Sinners, which one? Sinners.
SPEAKER_04:Hell yeah. Yeah, you can't like this. I will I think after I watched it, because you all you know, we always say, like, what's your top five movies? And this one is like hardcore now, like immediately is like this is the top five movie I would want.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, because it's so good. It's definitely my favorite movie of the year so far. I haven't seen one battle after another, which has been considered the best movie of the year, but I can't wait to watch it.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, I haven't seen it. Watch that. It's too nice. What do you think about the vampire lore? Like, they kind of seem like 28 days later, vampires, but like they kind of get up immediately and get up. Like a lot of times, vampires they take a minute. Like a slow transition.
SPEAKER_04:Well, like the ones where like you have to have their blood, then it takes a day. It makes me And then they're like like got they're cold and they're like sweats as they're dying. I kind of love it. It's it's quick, but it's also terrifying because it's like he literally converted everybody. It's like, how have vampires not taking over? Which makes me want to think of like, have the Native Americans been stopping that? Because it makes it seem more like they're also a virus, because it's kind of like zombie when you make it infect that quickly, it makes it more terrifying, in my opinion. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Fuck yeah, dude. Uh completely blanked what I was gonna say.
SPEAKER_01:Whoopsie.
SPEAKER_02:Um, so what do y'all look for in like vampire movies? And this is is this y'all's favorite vampire movie? I think it's between this and Midnight Mass for me.
SPEAKER_01:The TV show. So Midnight Mass.
SPEAKER_04:It's really good.
SPEAKER_01:Um too hard of a question. I can cut this out if we can't think about it.
SPEAKER_02:Also Noseratu, which was earlier this year, is one of my favorite.
SPEAKER_04:I like Nosferatu, but it's not, it's not. I watched that to enjoy it for the cinematography. It's also a slow movie. Yeah. Well.
SPEAKER_03:Sorry if it was too boring. My favorite vampire movie is probably Blade 2. So have you ever liking that, have you ever watched The Strain? I I remember ways uh years back trying to start it up never.
SPEAKER_04:I had the same issue trying to start it. That first season is really slow. After that, good. Think of like it's the same design of like style of those vampires with the way their mouths open. Same way for that in in there. After season one, it finally keeps going with them, and it's good. It was really good. After I got past season one, it was it's fully worth the watch.
SPEAKER_02:All products of Guaramel Del Toro that we're talking about so far. Yeah. I like with Nosferatu. I just like the I don't know, because it's uh directed by what's his name, it's just I love, you know, the authenticity of everything. And it's great. And we're also doing this thing in horror movies where there's a lot of like convulsing. If you think of uh first omen, and then like you got that first omen was good, surprisingly. What's her name in Nosferatu is just like I thought it went a little too long. I like it because it's just like it well, because if you're in that situation where you are being like possessed or turning or like you know, just acting crazy, it's like you can't control it, and there's a little bit of fear for me, I guess, in that. Guess it's because my dog also has seizures and it freaks me the fuck out. So whenever I see that someone in a movie, I'm kind of like just pet them. They might get better.
SPEAKER_04:So obviously, we know the best vampire interpretation is Twilight.
SPEAKER_05:So those sparkly vampire spirit. Um those movies are so good.
SPEAKER_04:I guess I gotta say, like, this is a pretty good vampire movie because I feel like it goes into like an open interpretation a little bit, because they don't explain it, and you just kind of left to assume. And when they lean more into like when his fingers get super long uh towards the end when he's going for Preacher Boy, and like his face shows more of the animalistic side. I'm like, when you because you know sometimes they're just with the teeth, yeah, and other times their full vampire form is like the creature form. I like that kind of interpretation. Like when it's like they're kind of wearing their human skin as a mask.
SPEAKER_05:He's also like the ancient vampire.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, because he's like before Christianity is when he was from, I just so good. Um, what do y'all how do y'all feel about like the hive minds aspect of him being a vampire? I know, you know, because we will play a lot of video games, there's a lot of hive mind stuff that we see, you know, like Halo with the flood and things like that. Uh, y'all like the hive mind idea, even though they're not fully, you know, like they don't die if he dies, but like everybody got hive mind stuff.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. Um that was my big complaint about Stranger Sent things season two. Um, the little dog ones.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. And I'm like I don't even remember them. I don't remember seeing exactly a little baby.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, once the upside down got closed off or whatever, they all just died. And I'm like, that didn't work on the that didn't happen with the Demic organ. These things are that. I don't mind Hive Mind stuff. I just don't like it's the same thing that happened in Avengers when they blew up uh the big thing uh the ship and it stopped all the soldiers. Like, that doesn't make any sense.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, it's kind of a cop-out.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, I don't mind the Hive Mind when they're just connected because they kind of did the same thing in like uh Independence Day. A little bit, yeah. But I was gonna say true blood, because we kind of started that back up recently. Um when you change someone when you change someone, they're like connected and they kind of have a little bit of control. It's like a weird, like I made you type of thing. And they say like they would literally say, I release you of my control, and you can see them kind of like shimmer. It's like a weird bonding connection. So it leads more to supernatural connection, I kind of like. Damn, like marriage, am I right, but guys?
SPEAKER_02:No, I'll cut that. Ryan Kugler had twins from his family help with the twin stuff. So Ryan Kugler, who comes from a family with many sets of twins and has close friends from Oakland, Logan and Noah Miller, who are twins themselves. He brought them on as consultants for the film, sitting down with them to discuss their experiences and using their feedback to adjust the blocking and script. In a Breakfast Club interview. Is that with Charlemagne?
SPEAKER_00:Is that Breakfast Club? Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Um Kugler recalled asking Logan and Noah why they always sat next to each other. Was it for his sake or theirs? Turns out they were trying to sue the Black Panther director. Apparently, people get freaked out seeing twins seeing them apart in the same room. Um, and Kugler incorporated this insight into the film in the scene where the twins meet Hogwood to buy this sawmill and slaughterhouse. While one twin talks, the other sneaks up behind Hogwood with a bag of money to scare them. Have y'all ever been near like identical twins? No. Yeah. I never thought of the idea of like, oh yeah, where's the fucking other one at?
SPEAKER_05:Luckily, the the twins on my soccer team in high school they had severely different haircuts. So it's so easy to do.
SPEAKER_02:Now, is it one of those twin things where they like kind of said the same things and stuff?
SPEAKER_05:No, they were totally different. One was like super um straight, and the other one wasn't. It was obvious.
SPEAKER_02:It was so obvious. Hell of a way to say it. One was super straight. The other one just wasn't.
SPEAKER_04:So me and my girlfriend were watching our junk TV, like 90-day fiance, one of them. Oh, and there were two sisters on there, and we were watching it, and then it's like, yeah, my twin sister, and we both looked at each other like, they're fucking twins. They both have had plastic surgery. Oh and not like I don't I say plastic surgery, but I forget like in my brain, I don't think of like Botox and stuff. Yeah. But yeah, we did not know they were twins, and they were driving in the car, like sitting. It's like maybe we'll notice it more. One had like shorter hair, one had like long hair, faces aren't moving. Literally, they're making a joke. She's like, Yeah, they ruined my Botox. She's like, Okay, frown right now. Okay, raise your eyebrows. She says, I I am. She's like, and I'm like, it was like they look nothing like twins.
SPEAKER_02:It's ridiculous. So uh in Delroy Lindo's scene ceiling uh performance as the liquor-loving bluesman Delta Slim teaches Sammy how to conjure the blues through pain, memory, and spirit. On the road to the joint juke joint, Stack drives past the chain gang and Delta calls out to them, telling them to keep their heads up. He then reveals to Stack and Sammy about like, you know, his whole story with the rice. Um, and so when it got to the end of that sh uh end of that scene where he starts like and then kind of humming the blues, completely improved. He wasn't supposed to do that. He's just supposed to say, but it's wild to me because it's I feel like that whole scene and story is almost like the whole point of the movie.
SPEAKER_06:Yes.
SPEAKER_02:Of why, you know, like this is for them. You can't play the blues if you don't understand the pain and that well, that's always what blues is.
SPEAKER_04:That's why he laughed at him. He's like, what do you know about the blues boy? Because he was so young. He's like, You have you have you really gone through it? Um, what else has that actor been in? I can't I feel like I'm drawn. I was like, I watched it again last night. It's like I meant to look up to see why he seems so familiar.
SPEAKER_03:Uh the one, I think, with Jet Lee. Oh. That's what I'm looking for.
SPEAKER_04:Oh man, I actually need to go back and watch both of those.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, he's in Get Shorty, the core.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, he kicks uh Defy Bloods, which is um what's his name? Yeah. He's in Point Break, the remake. No one will ever watch that. Um Point Break comes back in again. I will side. Where's the dogs? He was also great as like the main comedic relief guy.
SPEAKER_04:He uh Well, he did a good job because he's main comedic relief, but I feel like he played up the drunkard well. Like you could seem like he's yeah. His life of like it's like you laugh through the pain, and that's how you deal, and that's how I could feel it through him. Everyone's like story and like how they talk about it, it felt emotional. I think that's why I connected with it more. Everything felt genuine and you could feel for him. Y'all smell that? I think I shat myself.
SPEAKER_06:That was a life.
SPEAKER_02:Gotcha. So uh director Ryan Klugler says he had the American heavy metal band Metallica on his mind when he was laying out the story's rhythm and beats. He says, I wanted the movie to have the simplicity and simultaneously the profound nature of a Delta Blues song, but I wanted it to have the contrast, variation, and inevitability of a great Metallica song. Like one, he says, one is the signature song from the band's 1988 album and Justice for All. It starts off with almost like an easy listening solo, you know what I'm saying. And then it just goes batshit insane in a way you could never sing coming. And at the same time, it felt like it was going there all along, Cooler says. The movie's basically that uh Lars Ulrich, the drummer for and one of the founding members of Metallica, is credited as one of the drummers in the movie scoring orchestra. And yeah, it's like kind of the whole setup movie where it's like, hey, we're just watching a movie, right? Just a movie and the vapirs. Y'all know what I mean. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:I feel like well now I feel silly. Everybody's looking at me. Because re-watching it, it was like when uh rewatched uh Weapons with Shane recently. Oh my. Don't start this. Just continue.
SPEAKER_02:There's a lot of stress in this room because of everybody's feelings about that movie.
SPEAKER_04:Um well, watching it, because every time I rewatch a movie, it's like uh something to appreciate more. And the third time watching it, I really got to understand the um soundtrack and how much it really affected it. And I think that happened this time with um centers and getting to just appreciate how the soundtrack really affected it. I feel like those are the two movies that really invoke strong emotions for me this year was because I just feel like the score was just top notch.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. It's great. I mean, especially the score in this, where it's just kind of especially the whole beginning is very like, you know, that same kind of score over and over and over. And it's just like, yeah, we're just kind of going. We're kind of going. Let's go. We just gotta get to this juke point. And it kind of builds attention because you're like, you meet Hogwood, and it's like, oh no, we definitely know this guy's gonna come back later and try to kill everybody.
SPEAKER_05:His name is Hogwood. Yeah, yeah. Like Boss Hog. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:I don't know how I missed it in the first one or the first time I watched it, when he showed up and he said, There's no clan members here. I was like, I I guess it's like I also noticed some more of like the way they acted and like facial expressions I picked up. I don't know if I was just not paying attention. When he said it, I felt like he was like, Oh yeah, there's no clan members. Oh, you believed him. Well, I thought he thought that. And I I knew that we knew better. Hell yeah. I didn't think he was just like, oh, it's not. He's like, I'm trying to be better, but I'm still bad. And then when I rewatched it and I saw his expression and stuff, I was like, fuck yeah, he's he's lying.
SPEAKER_02:Well, as soon as they said, Hey, what's this? Do you clean these floors? What is this on the floor? I was like, okay, so they're definitely this is definitely a place where they're just like, Yes, here you go, black man, buy this place. We'll see you tomorrow. Well, I didn't see it. I thought it as like, I think I saw not the first time they've done this to people.
SPEAKER_04:No, I saw it as more of like, yeah, he would do something and didn't care, but I saw money, greed being the override for his racism. So I thought, greed overrides my racism, I'll take the money and see it.
SPEAKER_02:But in his eyes, he's like, I could take the money and then kill them.
SPEAKER_03:Yes.
SPEAKER_02:Classic bad guy shit. So it's uh particularly significant that Rimick is introduced fleeing from Choctaw hunters. Not only is the movie set in the historic Choctaw homeland, there is a long history of cooperation between the Choctaw and Native American more broadly and the Irish. The Irish Potato Famine occurred 16 years after the Choctaw, Cherokee, Muskogee, Seminole, and Chickasaw peoples were forced to walk the trail of tears, knowing tragedy and hunger themselves, Choctaw and Cherokee survivors donated hundreds of dollars to support famine relief. In 2017, Ireland erected the Kindred Spirit Sculpture in acknowledgement of friendship between two peoples with a companion sculpture sculpture called Eternal Heart installed on Choctaw land in 2024 when the coronavirus pandemic began in 2020, and the Navajo and Hoppy Hopi nations were hit especially hard. Ireland sent a$2 million donation, uh accrediting it to Choctaw kindness in their time of need. Director Ryan Kugler was impressed. Oh, uh, that was it for that. But uh That's a really cool I was wondering, okay. Because I remember reading. I've never had someone nail a paragraph more than I just nailed that paragraph. Shit sounded stressful. Yeah. It's kind of hard with like the microphone kind of blocking my screen a little bit. And then like that coffee is really starting to put me in overdrive. Too fast, too furious over here. Know what I mean? Um yeah, so uh director Ryan Kugler was impressed by Miles Canton's Preacher Boys audition tape from the very beginning. He was just in a dark, like uh he was just in the dark, like he didn't turn the lights on. Kugler said something about that was like so intriguing. The kid looked like he was in the basement, like in between homework assignments, but he had this voice of a lifetime. I'm like destroying everything I'm reading right now. Doing good.
SPEAKER_04:Um drink some water, you need to sound like your mouth dry. Your mouth is dry. I'll I'll go for you.
SPEAKER_02:Need some drool from a vampire. So gross. I was like, that is the grossest thing ever. If I ever saw someone drooling that much, I'd be like, get out.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, get off, get off me.
SPEAKER_04:My girlfriend was like, You didn't tell me Haley Steinfeld was in it, and I immediately went had a stank face. She's like, What? And I was like, Do you just no?
SPEAKER_02:Do you guys think like after uh Josh Allen and Haley Steinfeld went to the premiere of this movie, he was like, I have to fucking win the Super Bowl now. I have to win it. I mean, it's just like if you were on the other team, you'd just be like you know they're talking mad. Yeah, I mean every why would you not? Every sack on Josh Allen, he's like, I saw sinners. That's how I would be at least. Um, all right, and one more thing. Well, two more things real quick. So in April 2025 interview with Tonya Mosley on the national public radio program, Fresh Air, director Ryan Kugler said that he first became aware of the long history of Chinese Americans in the Mississippi Delta about a decade decade, decade prior when he and his family all did some home DNA tests, and his father-in-law, who considers himself African American, unexpectedly had a large percentage of Han Chinese DNA. You know, this uh Kugler says, you know, this man in his 90s, he opened that packet up and said, like, what the you know what I mean? And where is he from? He was born in Chicago. Where were his parents from Mississippi? So we start digging, and you know what I'm saying? We and we find out that, you know, my wife's black dad comes from these people. The the erasure, you know, they were there. Huh? Like the Chinese people were there, like in uh Mississippi and stuff like that. Yeah, it's very because it was like a stream of consciousness in the interview, and I was just reading.
SPEAKER_05:That's really cool.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, that just m made me think about around that time because there was a mass like type of immigration at the time. I wonder what was causing them to immigrate. I wonder what's happening in there.
SPEAKER_05:The the railroad.
SPEAKER_04:No, for the Asians.
SPEAKER_05:Like the railroad.
SPEAKER_04:What do you mean?
SPEAKER_05:A lot of Asians were immigrated to build railroads.
SPEAKER_04:They kind of like knew what they were doing and they so they just brought them over because they had a chance to make more money, or is it just like a new opportunity type of land of America?
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, too, and they really liked opium. Ah.
SPEAKER_02:Same. So uh director Ryan Kugler said that the two biggest influences for the film were from Dust Till Dawn and the faculty, both uh Robert Rodriguez. Really? Yeah, because you know, like, are they or aren't they a vampire? That situation, which I have to say, one of my favorite scenes in this whole movie, and it wasn't until I watched it the second and third time, is when they're all congregating at the door. Like at first, it's Bo Chow that comes there, and then he's like, Hey, look, come on, babe, let's go. As like the cornbreads, just like and then you have Remick come up, and then kind of everybody's coming up, and they're all just like having this debate back and forth. I was like, this is one of my favorite like written scenes of the entire year. And it wasn't until because you know, with the first time you watch it, it's all the big bombaskets, basket bombasket, bombasket scenes. Like bomb basket. Bomb basket. That scene was wood bomb basket. Um, but yeah, it's just like that whole time because especially last night, I was re-watching it and I was just like, Jesus Christ, this is so good.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, good movie.
SPEAKER_02:So good. Well, guys, y'all have anything else to add? Um be plenty to add as we go through the movie.
SPEAKER_05:We'll just make sure to interrupt you on the way.
unknown:Okay, cool.
SPEAKER_02:Um so before we get into the plot of the movie, I would like everyone to think, what is the point of sinners? And if you at home have uh something to say about the point, go into our link in the description at the top. You can click it and then text us like, hey, Jesse, this is the point. Or you can go to the down to the very bottom of the description where our email is at werecommellbag at gmail.com and send us that way as well. So let's get into 2025's centers.
SPEAKER_04:Um I'm also a little curious.
SPEAKER_02:Just as we go through it, damn didn't even get like a sentence of the plot. That's what he does. What he does.
SPEAKER_04:No, no, I'm just as we go through the story. I'd like because it could all be the same, but usually like when the when we're talking about a certain scene, I'm interested in like seeing if you guys have different perspectives. So it'd be interesting, oh, this was my favorite scene. And just explaining why. Because we could have different views. I already said what mine was, but I'd like to say like what my second one later is as it comes up.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. So the film starts with a narration about how some music is said to be so powerful it can conjure spirits from the past and the future. However, it is also possible to attract evil with this power in ancient Ireland. They were called Philly, in Choctaw Land, they were called the Fire Keepers, and in West Africa they are called Creotes. Nailed it, felt uncomfortable saying it. But then I said it and I was like, that's how they said it in the movie. So I nailed it. So we are in Clarksdale, Mississippi, October 16th, 1932. Sammy Moore, or preacher boy, uh drives to a church looking beaten and with claw marks on his face while holding a broken guitar neck. He enters the church where his father, a pastor named Jedediah, uh tries to help his son and tell him to give up music and repent his sinful ways. Sammy just clutches onto the guitar neck. Ironic since he walked in on them singing. Um yeah, it's ironic that he's like, give up your guitar and your evil ways, and it's like he comes in and they're all singing. It's like all this singing here. It's all music. Yeah. And uh I love this part when he's walking in, and whenever the his father says Sammy and it cuts the ring, Sammy!
SPEAKER_06:Which by the way, it's so fucking says Sammy. Sammy!
SPEAKER_04:It's so good. Did he get did he do that because of taking sta um steroids? I don't know. Of taking uh God always getting confused. Is it smoke or stack who got turned? Uh stack. Was that blue hat is smoke, red hat is stack? So um was it because of I thought that's how he would be like, Sammy. I thought it was because after he took uh I already forgot the names. Anyway, Michael B. Jordan's character.
SPEAKER_01:Smoke and Zack.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, took stack.
SPEAKER_03:Whatever. Did you watch you watched it, right? Yes, I was just like three bowls deep. So I was also I don't know.
SPEAKER_02:I think it was it could have been that, or is this like his so his excitement to get his music?
SPEAKER_04:Well, I couldn't remember, and I was like, wait, did I miss that Michael B. Jordan's like when he would meet him, he'd be like, Sammy, kind of like that. And he was just over-exaggerating it because you know when he's gonna be.
SPEAKER_02:I don't think he ever really said Sammy. That's what I was trying to confirm. Yeah. Um Yeah, so we're one day earlier, Sammy is picking cotton over there. And someone asks where he's playing music tonight, but he doesn't answer. He goes home to a house full of family. He looks for his guitar, but he doesn't find it. Um, then we meet Sammy's cousins, twin brother Elijah and Elias Moore, aka smoking stack, um, are returning home to Clarksdale from their time in Chicago. The twins have stolen money from gangsters, implied to be Alcampone and whatever other gangsters, and have purchased an old sawmill from a supposedly former clansman, clansman. Clansman?
SPEAKER_03:He's a real clansman on the grow on as Klansman. Um Hogwood.
SPEAKER_02:They have plans to turn into a juke joint to attract members of the black community. You twins, nah, we're cousins. That love is like different styles of uh acting.
SPEAKER_05:Should every pair of twins have a cool name? I think so. I think so, yeah. They should.
SPEAKER_02:We never know how they got the names. Um, so and then uh you got the line, shit, clan don't exist no more. Right? Yeah, and then what was on these floors? It's just like, ah, something bad's gonna happen. Um, but yeah, like we said earlier, when the when you have, I think it's stack walking towards him and then smoke comes around to his back. So great. And then all the tensions relieved when a person sees a bag full of money. Yay. So Sammy goes to his father, who is a preacher. He has his guitar. Uh, his father asks to help him give a sermon tomorrow. He makes him read a verse. No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind, and God is faithful, he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can hear. Uh bear. Uh but when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it. Sammy stops uh reading and says he has to go and play music. His father disapproves because that would make him a sinner. Roll credits.
SPEAKER_05:Dang, guitars are so sinful.
SPEAKER_04:Well, it's the because they always there's the blues is apparently associated with the devil, right?
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, sex, drugs, rock, roll of rock culture.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I mean, it's it's like the same thing where like, oh, don't listen to Elvis, he's the devil, and things like that. Where it's like if you're not playing the most boring cookie-cutter music, you're a sinner. And he's also playing it for people drinking and like grinding on each other while dancing and stuff like that, you know, having fun, which you're not allowed to do. Um, and then like the scene ends with you keep dancing with the devil, one day he will follow you home. Can't wait to the ending scene where Delta Blue, uh Delta Slim's like, Don't worry, I've had the the devil's been biting me everywhere. Don't worry. So uh smoking sack show to pick him up. Sammy asks questions about Chicago. He asks if black people can really walk around freely without danger. The twins tell him not to believe everything you hear. Chicago isn't nothing but Mississippi with tall buildings.
SPEAKER_04:With all crazy lines. Love it.
SPEAKER_03:I like it because it also I mean it's up north. I mean, it wouldn't be I don't think it'd be as bad. No, no, no, no.
SPEAKER_04:You're not like when I rewatched it and listened to that scene, it drops on the point of just because um that they are not discriminated against, that doesn't mean anything. The people who just because someone in power power saw that the people were like that doesn't mean everyone in that city agrees. You still have your you're gonna have everyone, it takes people a long time to acclimate to the new world.
SPEAKER_05:I mean the Italians. Oh my god.
SPEAKER_02:Mia don't like the black people.
SPEAKER_04:I looked at everybody else like should I do vision and I wish you could hatch face that one with that because look I'm embarrassed over here.
SPEAKER_02:Trying to cut it out.
SPEAKER_01:It's a media Mario.
SPEAKER_02:So they uh take Sammy to retrieve a truck full of supplies that they have uh have for their juke joint. They uh started left oh, there's also like a snake there. Um do they put that snake there as protection, or did that snake like end up in that back of their truck?
SPEAKER_04:It's a snake. They find dark uh.
SPEAKER_02:Well, it seemed like it'd be like great if like someone's gonna try to come steal it, and then then all of a sudden they like try to take stuff up and there's like a rattlesnake in there. It almost seemed like I was like, hey, that's a good kind of protection.
SPEAKER_03:It looks like it caught them off guard, so I don't think he put it.
SPEAKER_02:But man, what he like tosses on that knife and I'm like, that's what twins do. Um they're kind of smoke and stack are kind of debating on whether or not they should have the grand opening tonight because Hogwood showed up late, and so now they're like, oh, we're kind of on a time crunch. Um, but Smoke's like, we should not do it, we should wait a week, and Stack says like, no, we're doing it now, because Smoke's kind of the more um uh cool headed of them, and Stack's more of the like, let's go and do it now.
SPEAKER_04:I think you see the uh war that they talk about really affected um him more because he's more of the soldier type of person.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. I feel like they're both in World War II. Yeah. Um, and so they're gonna have to to get ready for the night, they're gonna have to split up. So uh Sammy and Sack head off together as Smoke sets off for the truck. Smoke goes into town to get help from old friends, Grace and Bo Chow. Uh they're gonna get catfish and help create a sign to provide other things for opening night when he catches. Um, and when he pulls in, he has he gets like that one girl. It's like, hey, I'm smoke, and she's like, I'm scared now. But then it's like, hey, I'm actually gonna put some money in your pocket. And then it has like this whole negotiation scene where he's like, I'll give you like 10 cents. And then he's like, Whoa, don't accept that. We're going to negotiate. I like that scene. It's a good way to negotiate. Yeah. It's also giving like a lot of um you know character development for smoke and really because like when they split up, I think this uh a good point for it is to be like, hey, we're gonna show you the differences between smoke and sag throughout the film.
SPEAKER_05:If you all ever talk before, it's so fun. I haven't. It seems like I can't do that. I can't do that.
SPEAKER_04:It's so fun. No.
SPEAKER_05:I only did it like once.
SPEAKER_04:It was great. I don't want to do that.
SPEAKER_05:Did it work? Yes. Wow. I brought down the price of a watch. I was in Afghanistan and he wanted like$40 for his piece of shit watch. And I was like, I'll give you five dollars for that. He's like, he wanted 40, he's like 10. I was like, all right.
SPEAKER_04:Well, I realized I'm gonna take you with me to Pokemon Con so you can handle some Pokemon cards for me.
SPEAKER_05:I don't know anything about Pokemon. Okay, just get the price lower. That's all I care about.
SPEAKER_02:He just wants you to handle the stressful situation for him. I couldn't haggle either. I'd just be like, I am going to shut down. So while he's in the store, um uh the girl that he has watching the truck starts honking the horn, he comes out, shoots one guy right in the butt off. Yeah, butt shot. Um and they're like, because they're trying to rub his uh truck that's full of alcohol, smokes, and oh, was this during the uh prohibition too?
SPEAKER_04:Uh I believe so. Yeah, because uh they mentioned Al Capone. I think that was around the time of prohibition. Yeah, because that's what Al Capone are going on at this time.
SPEAKER_02:Do y'all know that like Prohibition was set up uh by it was mainly set up by like Christian women who were just kind of tired of getting beaten by their drunk husbands? Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, so somewhat of a valid uh reason. Well that's valid. Yes, totally valid.
SPEAKER_02:That's kind of why how the movement started. Uh, I was listening to last podcast.
SPEAKER_05:Feel bad.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. And they were like, it was like later on, they're like, you know what? These women need to be beat some more. Give them in alcohol.
SPEAKER_05:Can we just drink and not beat our women?
SPEAKER_04:No. Well, I guess we can't make it legal. We'll do what we want.
SPEAKER_02:Um, but yeah, he shoots one in the butt, one in the leg. Because to prove that he means business, because you can't distill from the smoking sack points.
SPEAKER_04:I love how, like, I'm I I like that how his reasoning for it, but shooting one guy in the ass and shooting the other one, I swear he shot him in the kneecap. I was like, that guy ain't gonna be able to walk anymore. Like he was just he did catch a leg shot. Yeah, I swear he's gonna have a limp for the rest of his life.
SPEAKER_05:It's already hard enough.
SPEAKER_04:And you decide to like the other guy might just have a little limp because of his butt, but that guy, you can't repair it.
SPEAKER_03:No, but he did. Didn't he like pay Mrs. Child to like two of the things? Yeah, how good is the it's gonna be all the but he didn't just leave the scene in that.
SPEAKER_04:All it's gonna do is remove the bullet, then you're left at a heel on the cat doesn't reheal back.
SPEAKER_03:He tried to do something.
SPEAKER_04:He did, but I was like, he could have aimed like in the shoulder.
SPEAKER_03:He's got a ripple.
SPEAKER_04:He should have told him to turn around and then shot him in the skip the You're just making it sound like he just dropped civilians.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, they were civilians. They were robbing them. Innocent civilians wrong. I'm just saying more of us.
SPEAKER_05:Just leave it there. He's talking for the meatiest part. It's the ass. Except for the knee. Not much meat there.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:I know.
SPEAKER_02:It's wild west times, baby. We had her shooting in the streets and no cops being called. Hell yeah. Um, also, one of my favorite shots in the whole movie is whenever he's uh little Lisa, they tell him it's like, hey, go get your mom, and then she walks across, and then we see like, because at this point we only seen like the black side of the street, and so it just seems like a little black community, and then you walk across the street, and then you see, like, oh, this is the white side of part of town. Apparently, historically, this is an accurate representation of towns like this.
SPEAKER_06:No way.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. And um also when you go in, you um I had watched it with the captions on, so it's easier to take notes like that. You hear all the little background characters saying like all the like the typical racist things that we still hear tonight. It's like I don't mind black people, but you know, they just get always getting into trouble and stuff like that.
SPEAKER_04:What do you mean, racism doesn't exist anymore?
SPEAKER_02:What are you laughing at?
SPEAKER_03:Everything right there. This little black side and then this white side. I'm just like you on.
SPEAKER_04:What are you talking about? I don't know, but what about that tiny quote you just did, man? I was doing a character. Uh stereotypical character. Keep it off. Anyone else want to read the next one?
SPEAKER_05:And when he says keep it on, I'm talking about his white hoodie as on the top. Pull back the hoodie. Could you just squirm a little bit more of it? Okay.
SPEAKER_02:I'm already at like I'm in a tiny ass little chair. I'm already like intimidated, everybody being a buggy. Come on, come on, because I'm I'm sitting in a beach chair that's like almost practically on the ground whether sitting in a normal chair. He does this every time.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, no, it's like a chair every time he's hosted. So he sits in that one.
SPEAKER_02:Well, it's so well I guess like now that I brought that one out since the last time you were here, I've been sitting in that chair and Dakota and Jason would be over there, or I'd be in that chair and Jason's over there. Nobody at home cares about this.
SPEAKER_04:So um giving him the mental image in their head.
SPEAKER_02:And then also uh Grace Chow comes back over and then Smoke uh starts negotiating with her, and it's really fun. And throws in and he also buys some flowers. All right, so meanwhile, Stack teaches Sammy about oral sex. Nice because this hoodie is also kind of sexy. It is sexy. Yeah, yeah. So uh Sammy's also an aspiring blues musician, which we already know by now.
SPEAKER_05:And his guitar kicks ass too. I love it.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, and it's great. Um, and we'll get more into that guitar a little bit later. So Stack tells him about their dad. Smoke killed their dad because he beat them as kids, but he didn't mean it, he says. He's like, I love it because you have the whole conversation, and he's like, Hey, did you uh did y'all actually really kill your dad? And he's like, Well, I didn't because he knocked me out unconscious, and when I woke up, Smoke was already burying him. Nice. And then he's like, Yeah, he beat us a lot, but he didn't mean it.
SPEAKER_05:And I was like, Yeah, he just twirled his fist around everywhere.
SPEAKER_04:It's one of those of like, so I don't like I understand.
SPEAKER_02:I think he's kind of saying that he's he was drunk. Yeah, he understands like everybody at this point was probably just drinking a lot and then getting mad and hitting people.
SPEAKER_04:You know, life is hard already in that time, and then add in the drinking that takes away your inhibitions, you start to see anger. Like I had a sole co-work co-worker, my boss. It was around the time he he told me his parents had got divorced. And he said one day, he's like, Yeah, I was at home with my dad, and um, I think he said he was hurting or something, and in his dad saw he lifted up shirt, he had bruises all over him because his mom was hitting him. And I was like, Oh, because he always would talk about his mom, he still talks to her and stuff. In my head, I was like, I wouldn't talk to her anymore if she did that to me. And he was like, Well, I kind of, you know, at the time, like the divorce wasn't good, and I really reminded her a lot of my dad. So he kind of like understood, and I guess that's why he was like okay with it, because she stopped. But I was like, dude, like I wouldn't talk to my mom anymore if she beat the shit out of me like that.
SPEAKER_05:What I thought was interesting when I joined the army, they told us this fun fact of after during World War I and two, they had this questionnaire they would give to new soldiers, and one of the questions was, Do you drink more than one pint of whiskey a day? And if the answer was yes, then they they didn't care either.
SPEAKER_02:I thought you were gonna say they made you cap that. So they asked just to see, like, so you do?
SPEAKER_05:They don't really care. It's just something we gotta look out for. It's a little check toolbox.
SPEAKER_02:And uh so we learn that Smoke and Stack got Sammy his guitar. Um, and Stack tells him his guitar burnt belonged to Charlie Patton, someone who helped popularise uh uh Delta Blues back in the day. Cool. Uh Stack asks him to sing him a song while driving, and then he sings traveling. And uh just the face that as soon as he starts singing, Michael B. Jordan's face, like Well, I felt the same way. I was like, Oh, and then I was just so good. It's just like that uh great like amazement, the face of amazement, which is something that um it's like it's authentic, yeah, really which is something that like Steven Spielberg is really good at, like the whoa type of like source shot. Yeah, like he's and then when Sam Neil gets out, and he's like, by God. Was that him like actually singing?
SPEAKER_04:Like the the singer? Yeah, yeah, he's like singing, he's like a songwriter. Okay, so I think what's the one that's gonna be. Yeah, he has the song and the credit to the I think what made me like have the same face of like because when you go with the ghost singing, you could usually tell when it's not the person singing, and then when you can genuinely tell it's that person singing and how good it is. I think like I said, that's what adds to it more of it's being authentic and real.
SPEAKER_02:And this is the first scene that gave me Chills Number One. Um also uh Man. I wish I had that voice. Yeah, it's like a powerful voice.
SPEAKER_04:When I first heard them in the movie, I was like, golly. I mean, I was soaked after I heard it.
SPEAKER_05:Soften wet.
SPEAKER_02:So they head to a train station in Christopher for for the night. Stack goes to the train station to find older hardened blue singer Delta Slim. Stack tries to get him to play that night for$20, but he rejects because he plays the same place every Saturday night and they will always be there, unlike Stack. Um, but Irish wiki whiske uh Irish beer and forty dollars changes mind and even plays with Sammy. They attract attention by having Slim put on a performance.
SPEAKER_04:His uh explanation for why he didn't want to go, even though it was 20, he's like, You're paying me 20 tonight, but not tomorrow night. You don't know if you're gonna be there. His reasoning was really good. And while I was watching, he's like, How's he gonna convince him?
SPEAKER_02:And it's like this place is gonna be here 10 years into the future. Can you say that? He could have gone in. But I think it's probably like back in the day, it's like, oh, he's not here. Someone else comes up and starts playing the piano, and they're like, I'll never miss a Saturday night and they take over. Smart. Um, and then also it whenever he introduces uh Sammy to him, he's like, Hey, it's like, yeah, he plays the blues too. And then he's about to start playing. He's like, Hey, put that away. Put that away. This is my this is my plot of land or whatever. He says, Um out of land. So Sammy meets Pearline, a married woman that he flirts with, invites to the juke joints opening. He tells her he goes by Preacher Boy. It's like, uh, Perline, I'm married. Preacher boy, happily. Such a quick response. Careful, but you're gonna bite off more than you can chew. And then she walks away like shaking the butt. Shaking that ball gun. Um, and then moments later, uh, Mary, a childhood friend of Smoke and Stack, um, I love this because uh the Freezer Boys like goes up to Stacks, like, hey, there's a white woman staring at you. It's like, oh shit, really?
SPEAKER_05:Damn, what do I say?
SPEAKER_02:Which is kind of just like builds on that thing where it's just like, oh crap, a white person's about to come up and talk to me. Now we're gonna have to be scared that something's not gonna build up, right? Um, so uh yeah, so she approaches the guys. Mary's upset that the twins never sent their regards or flowers for their mother who passed the day before, as she had been like a mother to the twins. She tells Stack to go to hell. Um, and um what does uh preacher boy say? He's like, maybe she ain't white. Um and then you got this line uh Mary, you know I waited for you. Stack, shit. I don't know how the hell you're gonna do that. Mary, because you told me you love me. Stack, well, I told you to stay the fuck away from me too, but I guess you didn't hear that part. Mary, I heard you, I heard you loud and clear, and then you stuck your tongue in my coups and plugged me so hard I figured you changed from heart. Josh Allen's like, I gotta throw 5,000 yards. Oh gosh. Right. Haley Steinfield crushes. Yeah, it's like she doesn't. There's there's the one line though a little bit lighter. That's the best. I think that was like the first thing you told me, Devin. Whenever you heard, like, you're like, hey, this line, right?
SPEAKER_03:And I was like, oh god, I'm gonna know what line you're talking about, drawing boy. I thought you was gonna skim past it. Oh, that's like halfway through the movie. We'll get there.
SPEAKER_02:So uh Stack and Preacher Boar are now on the road with Delta Slim. They drive past some people working on the chain gang uh like thing, I assume. I don't know if that was a chain game thing. Uh Delta yells at them because he knows them. Uh Preacher Boy asks how he knows them. Delta Slim explains that him and a friend of his, Rice, got sent to jail for vagrancy, but they made him and the group play music for them, then took them to play for more white people with a lot of money. He played ragtime and blues for them. He made a lot of money and drank it all away. His friend Rice tries to get out, but when he got on a train, a white conductor got the cops search him and claimed uh claimed that he stole money by killing white man and waping, raping his wife. It's the worst word to mess up on. So they uh cut off his manhood and lynched him. Then Delta Slim starts humming the blues. Um one of the uh one of my favorite lines from this movie is actually see, white folks, they like the blues just fine. They just don't like the people who make it.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, still over a lot of stuff.
SPEAKER_02:I feel like this uh little uh uh monologue is kind of hits on the point of the movie. It's a great special thing.
SPEAKER_03:It's a great scene because you don't you don't see the story, but you hear it. That was a good scene.
SPEAKER_02:Which that was what I was gonna bring up next.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Sorry.
SPEAKER_02:No, no, no, no.
SPEAKER_03:No.
SPEAKER_02:Um but yeah, it's very affecting because at first you're just hearing them kind of playing music, and you're like, and you kind of really don't think about it. And then when the story turns, you start hearing like a guy's like, hey, get that guy.
SPEAKER_01:And then it's like, ah, I feel bad.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, it's yeah, it's good, man. So uh the three go and recruit cornbread, who's out picking cotton. He's they're very rude in front of his wife, and it's hilarious. Because the wife's like, How much money? Yeah, because cornbread's like, damn, I'm gonna have to beat him up now. And I love it because cornbread is like the nicest person in the movie. Yeah, he's played like young.
SPEAKER_04:Like a young, he's supposed to be playing like young people in a lot of movies as a side character and a lot of stuff. He was in Transformers One. He was like uh Cornbread? Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:He was in Eight Mile and Yeah, he's always like a side.
SPEAKER_04:He is in eight mile. He's uh seeing him get to do it, and I was just like, Oh, cool. It's fine. I see him like come up as a like a more of a major role.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Um so Smoke goes to the home of his estranged wife Annie, who practices uh hoodoo. He leaves flowers to their child child who they lost years earlier, which is part of the reason for their time apart. Annie is suspicious of smoke and stack and wonders who they robbed to get enough money for white people to let them buy the sawmill. Smoke doesn't believe in hoodoo. He she refuses any money from Smoke because she believes it's cursed. Smoke says he's been all over and the only power he knows is money. Annie claims her hoodoo practices have kept the twins safe, but Smoke asks why it didn't work for their child. She says she doesn't know.
SPEAKER_04:That's a hard moment there of like someone believing that. Because his face is just like, Well, why didn't it work on our child? I felt like it really hit home with like he's like, I'm not trying I know he's like saying why he doesn't believe, but he's like, Well, why didn't it work on her? Yeah, it just it just felt like it's like, oh damn, that's that's uh sad. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Because even she's like, I don't know. She doesn't understand.
SPEAKER_04:Even she doesn't have to do the because usually it's like, well, you know, not everything they try and give like a vague explanation, even she's just you know, like said, I don't know, and drives the point home more.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. And then uh we see that Smoke has been wearing a mojo bag she gave him. He says he loves her and misses her. Smoke and Annie then proceed to have sex and do some deep tongue and ear licking. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh the music is swelling. There's like a lot of like there's a lot of uh scenes where Michael B. Jordan is getting a tongue fully in his ear, and it's just like, oh he had two mojo bags working on him in that moment. But I love it when she's she when she's kind of telling, like, she when she starts getting kind of revved up while saying her little monologue, like the music starts swelling, and the um the depth of field on the focus kind of blurs in the background, so it's just all her and it's very intense. Yes.
SPEAKER_04:Um that's when he said, like, you know, the stuff why it didn't work on our kid. It kind of broke. I feel like she was getting angry and it was adding the tension, and it just kind of cut it off right there.
SPEAKER_02:And then plus the music swells when they're having sex and like that song just fucking rolls. And then the music ejaculates. Yeah. Um, anybody know what a mojo bag is? Uh it's just got herbs and stuff in it, I would assume. It's a powerful hoodoo amulet, a small pouch filled with spiritual items like herbs, roots, charms. Uh uh for protection symbolizing ancestral power, love, and a spiritual shield against harm, even from supernatural forces, which we will see works a little later in the film.
SPEAKER_04:I forgot about that scene when I rewatched it. Uh I just completely forgot about it.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. So we see everybody heading out to the juke joints to set up, and everybody is ready to have a good time. Um, it's great. Because like everybody's like smiling. It's like, yeah, we're going. You got cornbread, preacher boys, stack, and delta slim. They're all like, we're having fun. Nothing bad's ever gonna happen tonight. Then enter a white man. Oh no. Straight from the sky. Um, so as the sun is going down, an Irish man named Rimick runs to the home of a racist couple, Bert and Joan. Remick convinces them to let him in by offering them in gold in exchange for protection from uh what he says engines. Um soon a group of Choctaws approach the house and tell Joan that Rimick is a dangerous man, but she refuses to listen to them and sends them in away. But mainly they actually run away because they're like, Sun going down, we better get out of here. Um Joan goes back inside to discover that Rimic is a vampire and he just turned Bert into one. They proceed to turn Joan as well. And this is where I was like, this is a great sequel or prequel idea with the Indians. Um yeah, great.
SPEAKER_04:I love when he's just like, I have gold. Because he saw their I guess that's a thing with the KKK. They just he saw it and he immediately knew like oh offer them gold because they'll want that. And I was like, Oh, you are anybody money, they should do it.
SPEAKER_02:I think he was just like I think it uh he also was like, Oh, they're pieces of shit, so I can uh there's I do not feel bad about it at all.
SPEAKER_04:Maybe he never felt bad, but I also loved his delivery of everything because just he felt like he's like, I'm such a coward and everything.
SPEAKER_02:Well, also I think those little two gold pieces, right? I'm pretty sure he's probably had those forever and constantly gets people to let him inside with those gold pieces and then kills him, then gets those gold pieces back because he's c he uses it twice throughout the whole movie. It's like John Wick. Yeah.
unknown:Shit.
SPEAKER_02:Uh so yeah, the brothers open the juke joint with a large crowd turning out. We see Perline shows up. Perline hangs out with Preacher Boy for a bit. A man's cool last name.
SPEAKER_05:There's a lot of cool names.
SPEAKER_02:Perline. Yeah, it's a great name. So a man pays 30 cents and some plantation tokens from like uh different like uh do y'all know what plantation tokens are? No, I was just in this movie. So um it's something that where like uh after slavery and stuff ended, when uh black people would still work on their plantations, or white people, anybody that worked there, they would pay them in their own plantation money for that plantation's own like uh store and stuff. So they use those tokens to pay for that. Like the company store. And it's essentially was a way to keep people from leaving their job because it's like, oh, we're only paying anywhere else. Yeah, you can't save money, so you were forced to kind of stay there because that's the only money that they were giving you. That's fucked up. It's like the David Huster scheme. Turns out uh things have kind of sucked for a long time for people. There people greedy and bad people always find a way to screw over pe needy people, right? Uh people in need. Yep. So uh yeah, so the guy's like, hey, I only got 30 cents, and then like there's these two plantation tokens, and Smoke's like, oh shit, I better step in and then snack. Like, here, yeah, go ahead. And then Smoke and or Smoke's like, hey, let me talk to you and Annie. Um, Annie and Stack explain to Smoke that they have to make them feel wanted if they want their juke joint to work. People have worked hard all week and they have to let them have a good time. However, they spent a lot of their money just to get the place open and running. Stack and Annie convinces Smoke to let some people pay coverage using uh plantation money and reluctantly agrees, I need a cigarette. Mary is allowed to entry due to being considered family, as well as being one-eighth black on her mother's side, which we will learn soon.
SPEAKER_05:It'd be funny if they were anti-smoking. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I was like, what the hell is that?
SPEAKER_02:Sorry, guys. Neighbors loud ass struck that they keep running.
SPEAKER_04:At first, I was like, Snake, he's not in here. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:I know. That's why I thought someone like hit this or something. I was like, what? And then crap jumped down.
SPEAKER_04:Like how you look at me like I did it.
unknown:I don't know, Dougona.
SPEAKER_02:So uh Preacher Boy tries to tell Mary to go away, but she refuses and buys Preacher Boy a drink when she realizes, like, oh, you're a little Sammy. Um, but I think it's funny. He's like, I'm with the twins. And she's like, okay, whatever. It's like, no, I really am with the twins. Um, he asks what she is. Um, and she's like, What? I'm a human being. So he's like, you know what I mean. Uh her mom's dad was half black. Uh, she says her mom helped deliver them at birth. She helped Stack stay alive after getting stuck inside their mom. Her mom also nursed them after their mom passed away. She is still mad they didn't send flowers for her mom's funeral. Smoke kind of walks up and it's like, Smoke says, like, I sent plenty of flowers while she was still alive to smell them. I was like, God. Yeah, like, damn, dude. Michael P. Jordan, so good in this fucking place. Um, they are worried that someone will see her there, and because she is married to a white man, and that would cause problems for them. She asks him to tell the truth, and he reveals that he does love her and that he wants to keep her safe, but that would never happen with him in a place like this. Um and then uh, yeah, so it's kind of big. Essentially, him coming out and saying, Here's I'm gonna be rude on how I tell you this, but this is all my feelings for you and why I left, and then she cries.
SPEAKER_03:He does. Yeah, but she knows better too.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, she's like, I know you're just doing this. Like, give me the truth.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, she is very smart.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Um, so Delta Slim has Preacher Boy play his music, but first he makes him tell him who he is. He says he wrote this song for his father, and it's a song about loving the blues more than anything, um, even like religion and stuff like that. Okay, he puts on a soulful performance which entertains the whole crowd, and Sammy's mus Preacher Boy's music is so powerful that he's able to conjure spirits, black musicians across different time periods and cultures shown in the juke joint, joining in the celebration. The joint visually appears to burn down while everyone continues dancing. This draws the attention of Rimick, Bert, and Joan. Rimick is stunned by the song, and this is uh I got chills just thinking about this.
SPEAKER_04:Like, ah my god, it's such a good scene.
SPEAKER_02:That is like yeah, and this is where like the quote I got from earlier, because like Preacher Boys starting to play, and then you got Delta Slim saying blues wasn't forced on us like that religion, and all of a sudden we brought that with us from home. It's magic what we do, it's sacred and big. Oh yeah. With this here ritual, we heal our people and we are free. Fuck yeah, man. Yeah. And then I like it was kind of it's also very fun because like, you know, he starts playing the song and you're like, oh hell yeah, we're gonna get like a great musical number here. And then all of a sudden you just got like uh like the futuristic musician. I was like, what the hell? And then the DJ, and then you see like from like older like tribes and stuff, and then you see, and then at first, you know, you got uh Grace Chow like walking, I'm like, what are they gonna do here? And then you just see behind Bo, there's like um ancient like Chinese whatever garb on, and then as Grace walks out, the uh um the female version comes out, and it's like it's so like this movie like forces me to tear up just from how good it is. It's not like I'm well, it's kind of beautiful because it's like, hey, they're free, they're here with people they know and like, and they're not in danger because of it. This is one place where they're like free, there's nothing to worry about, and then you just see them all having a good time and dancing, stack and marriage, kind of dancing, Annie and smoke, and it's just like, oh, this is their last moment before vampires come on. Who would have ever thought that? Um, but like Rimic is seeing like, oh shit, he's able to conjure people from his like past, his ancestors, sure. Something that he's into to find out.
SPEAKER_03:If you talk about the visuals, I mean the sounds too, because like you get the blues, and then you like you hear like the West Coast hip hop, and then you hear like when they're like, hey, hey, and that's kind of recurrent. And I'm like, dude, yeah, this is good. And then my wife is watching it with me. It's like, what is this? I'm just like, bruh.
SPEAKER_00:It's like yours scene.
SPEAKER_02:And then like you got that DJ who's like, You got my guy, Preacher Boy. Preacher boy's like, it's so good. I'm like, dude, this is a wall down my spine, just thinking about it.
SPEAKER_04:I want everyone I talk about. I talked about it with Shane, girlfriend, and Shane apparently has like got new speakers he's working on, like home theater ones. Nice. I gotta let him borrow it because I'm like, dude, this movie, like you got your speakers going now, scene comes up, you're gonna feel it. Yes, it is a I don't know, like uh a scene like that is it's very moving.
SPEAKER_02:Especially in theaters, whenever like kind of the bass hits, like it you can feel like you're a little bit of the shake, and it's like, am I doing that? Or is that the most important thing?
SPEAKER_04:I was like, I'm getting such a strong response. It's a I don't know like how to say it, like generational scene that will be something that I feel like how we kind of look back on past movies is like this is something you would be like 10 years from now, like that that movie, that scene.
SPEAKER_02:This is like the first scene in a movie in a long time. Ever honestly, ever since everything everywhere all at once, where I was just like, shit, yeah, man. I'm feeling this. This is great. This is gonna be like a pivotal movie now for me.
SPEAKER_03:We're all like remic at the end of this scene because we're like You're like, whoa. Hell yeah. I need him.
SPEAKER_02:I understand. So, as well, yeah. So like, I don't know. Ah, it's just so good. Yes, I just want to scream. Amazing. I'm just gonna release an episode where I'm just screaming after this. So as the vamps walk towards the joint, we see Preacher Boy and Perline about to have sex. Preacher boy goes down on her. Stack overhears this and is proud. He's a giver. He found that little button. Oh, Preacher Boy. They're like, Grace, come here. Listen to what my cousin says. It's great. It's like, oh yeah, Preacher Boy's having the time of his life. I'm sure Smoke won't point a gun at him later. So Smoke and Stack talk about cash. In two months, they will be out of fresh cast. The vampires approach the jute joint under the guise of being musicians who heard the music playing and want to join. Cornbread won't let them in, though. Smoke and stack ask if they are clan, and they they say they believe in equality in music. They're like, no. They took offense to that shit. I promise. And uh the trio play a bit of music. Picked poor Robin Clean. Nice. Do you get it? Because they're also vampires. Yes. What do you mean? Yeah, so like pick poor Robin Clean, like vampires eating and fighting. I don't know. I was kind of hearing it now.
SPEAKER_03:I'm sure it's like a double meaning. Yeah, yeah. It's an innocent song, but you got vampires singing.
SPEAKER_02:It's got double meaning. It's just supposed to be a joke, but you didn't understand it. I don't know.
SPEAKER_04:It's a joke or it's a meaning about they're about to kill everyone. That's a joke to you.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Yeah. Damn. He's three for three.
SPEAKER_02:But Smoke is suspicious of them and denies them in them offering payment. He scoffs because they don't want him in because he is white.
SPEAKER_03:Is it because I'm he's good. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Oh uh when threatened, though, they leave. Smoke and stack talk about a trunk they forgot. Um, they are worried if the white people get offended, they will tell and bring the whole group with them next time. Um, also, I love when they're playing the pickpour Robin Clean. Like Stack is vibe into it. Stack's like, hell yeah. Everybody's like, you know, honestly, you'll aren't bad. Um, so smoke and preacher boy talk. Smoke wants, uh, warns him that it's good now uh being like in a rambling man type thing. Uh, but eventually all the rambling gets old. But Preacher Boy is having such a good time that he's gonna go away and play in Chicago. Um, Stack tells Mary that because people are paying with plantation money, they're all gonna go under fast. Mary says that they should go and let the white people in so they can make more money. Smoke tells Preacher Boy that because their dad was beating them up so bad, they decided to run away. They went to Mound Bayou that was founded by free slaves and everything was black-owned, but the mayor knew their father and how evil he was, so they didn't let him stay. He says that's where Preacher Boy should go because it's the proper place for him to go and to leave all the improper stuff to Smoke and Stack. Great little line. Preacher Boy tells them nobody knows his father, but they know them. He says that they can't tell him what to do, and if they're gonna stop him, they will just have to kill him. Smoke points a gun. It's like, I'm a soldier. You just gave me an order. Um then Preacher Boy kind of looks scared and is like, this is what you're gonna have to deal with if you go to Chicago. It's like it's like run by the monster.
SPEAKER_04:Like, are there other reasons like we can't like even though they seem like they genuinely like want to come in, like they want to come and give us money. It's like, you don't understand, they're fine, but someone steps on that girl, his girlfriend step on the shoe or makes eyes at the girl. Yeah, they're gonna immediately is like, oh, okay, we've gotta kill everybody, and it's good.
SPEAKER_02:The whole point of that night is to be free from all that. So Mary decides to go and talk to the white people herself, since she knows the brothers could use the money. While Mary is impressed by their music, will you go lassie? Or I think it's like Thyme and Heather or something like that. Say a song about nature, love, and shared journey, picking Thyme and Heather uh about the world.
SPEAKER_00:So uh you could have like double meaning of he's going out and turning people into vampires, things like that.
SPEAKER_02:But it's also just kind of a uh, you know, he keeps using the word fellowship, right? And love. Fellowship and love. It's like we can all be one. Like a charge. Yeah, one high. Exactly. Um where was I? Um, so yeah, he's impressed by their music, but especially impressed by their gold. Um, they say that they are there for fellowship and love, and they see hurt in Mary, and that they wish they could have changed her fate, and that they could uh like her Mary's mother's fate. And they say they can change hers too. Um so she sees something is off when Rimick's eyes glows red and he starts drooling. And she points her gun and stack that stack gave to him. Crazy, the drooling. Such a good element, the vampires, and I feel like it should be in every vampire movie because it's so gross, right? So gross.
SPEAKER_05:Have you ever accidentally drooled on to something? Uh well, like I mean, on a pillow before. I don't really drool anymore, though. I was at a football game handing down a uh soda to my daughter's like dance instructor. I was like, can you give this to her? And like some drool came out.
SPEAKER_02:Was she hot or something?
SPEAKER_05:No, I was just hungry. I was hungry for food in my hand. I was like, I can't wait to eat this.
SPEAKER_02:He was looking at her head became a hamburger.
SPEAKER_05:And a little spot of drool came out.
SPEAKER_04:I know Jesse drooled all the time when she drinks something. What?
SPEAKER_02:Anytime you drink something, it's kind of because my bits I do when I drink water. It's funny when people just like blow. So Mary starts to walk away, but Rimick then flies towards her, and we cut to Perline, who starts singing a dope ass song, Pale Moon Rising, about leaving worries at the door and how the sun will rise once more. Um your worries are at the door, he's only gonna bite them in. Yeah, uh Pearline fucking crushes this scene, though. I didn't like when she just kind of starts like jumping and stomping to the beat.
SPEAKER_05:I'm like, the music in this movie is so good. Stomping songs. It's crazy.
SPEAKER_04:I love me, a good stomping song. That was the guy who like used a load of dice and they said take care of him. So they're kicking him while they're also doing that.
SPEAKER_02:And I was like, it's so good. Um so Mary comes up to Cornbread and asking to come back in, and he lets her. Mary goes and starts dancing. Love it's like, are you gonna let me in or just keep blocking the doors? Like, when'd you get out here? And like lets her in.
SPEAKER_03:It's like, ah, that was good.
SPEAKER_02:It's great. Nice and believable. Um, so so at the same time, Cornbrad goes outside to relieve himself with while Slim takes over security. Mary seduces Stack and kisses him. He rebuffs her, but she hits him with this line. So you can rob a train in banks, but you can't steal this pussy for a night. You guys think Josh Allen makes her say that in bed? She might have to come up with new material for me.
SPEAKER_04:Maybe like he saw the movie and didn't realize like all the scenes that were said, and he was like, Dude, something happened with Michael B. Jordan.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. So then um cornbread's outside, ping and Burton Joan kind of lure cornbread away by taunting him. Um you just hear like fellowship, love, cornbread.
SPEAKER_04:Every time he stopped peeping and then look around, pee again.
SPEAKER_02:Where the hell did he go to take a piss? Just kind of had to like it look like just a little bit in the forest, a little bit to nobody.
SPEAKER_04:You know, you go pee on the big tree.
SPEAKER_02:And then you just got all the fireflies, and all of a sudden it's like you hear the lights, and then peekaboo. I think that's uh and then it just immediately made reminded me of uh Kendra Gamar. Yeah, great song. So Smoke deals with a patron who slashed another man across the face with a razor after being exposed for loaded dice. Smoke orders Preacher Boy to get stacked, but he is too embarrassed to pull him away from sex and deep ear penetration. She also drools in his mouth. Yeah, you're drooling. The amount of drool is what made it gross. It was like a water hose going straight from her mouth to his mouth.
SPEAKER_05:At that point, you just spit in the mouth, right?
SPEAKER_02:That's like yeah. I mean, pretty much what he is doing.
SPEAKER_05:You know, I don't remember what they said.
SPEAKER_02:They mentioned that numerous times.
SPEAKER_03:It's what corn syrup or something? No, it was real drool. That's not right. I don't think it was real drool.
SPEAKER_04:I thought they said it was real drool. No.
SPEAKER_05:I missed this from the real drool. You have to do it. I thought she said something.
SPEAKER_02:Like, I just love it because like he's like, oh man, you're drooling. It's like, you want some? I kind of wish he was like, no. No, thanks. It's like spit that out over there. What?
SPEAKER_05:Pens or a napkin.
SPEAKER_02:I'm just kidding. Uh no, but that's what I'd be like, nah, I'm like, swallow that down and then I'll kiss you some more. I don't know.
SPEAKER_05:We're in the moment, Jesse. That's true. You gotta go ass to mouth.
SPEAKER_02:What?
SPEAKER_03:When you're in the moment. I guess. I'd stick to the drool.
SPEAKER_02:That's so funny. Okay. Um, did you find it?
SPEAKER_04:I'm having to watch a video because she's this interviewer's asking. Can't you find an article? No, apparently not. Where the fuck? She mentioned something about it. I'm pretty sure it was corn syrup. Haley Steinfeld Spit Scene Centers was filmed practically. So maybe that was what I saw. But it could be. It was not made using CGI.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, that's what it practically means.
SPEAKER_04:Okay, you were right. Syrup. Thank you.
SPEAKER_03:Tasty. Ladies and gentlemen, heat tells me I'm right. It's almost like when my wife says I'm like, because he's a lawyer, dude. Like, he's a damn lawyer. I mean, you're straight up right.
SPEAKER_04:I don't have a reason to spend it. Well, I thought it was real, but you were right when you said, like, yeah, you don't make it that thick. And oh, well, yeah. Because I was like, well, I read the art, I only read the headline and I thought I mistook it. And I was saying, I'm not fighting you. You're right. The biggest grin on the space for the moment. Like I just looked them off.
SPEAKER_01:There's no ass to mouth.
SPEAKER_02:You guys look at the wild up in the off. So um let's look up ass to mouth videos.
SPEAKER_06:Come on.
SPEAKER_02:Anyway. So I love the scene when like when Preacher Boy goes and sees that they're having sex and goes back up to Smoke, and he's like, Why didn't you get him? He's like, Uh, he's like a good nookie or whatever. And he's like, Well, so and he's like, I ain't doing that by myself. And he's like, Yeah, I mean, Stack's gonna beat the shit out of him. You stop him having sex. Um, but then Smoke goes and sees, and then all of a sudden, Mary's biting the shit out of his neck, and there's like blood spurting everywhere. And then uh so Smoke empties his entire gun into her, but Mary survives and vows that we will kill everybody. Um Smoke tries to help Stack, but he dies. And now the fun is over. Hit the fan. They are home now. Yeah. Um, and I love it. It's like um, like why he's like holding them, it's really great. Michael B. Jordan impress uh impression scene because he's like he's constantly like, I'm with you, I love you, and it's just like I mean, can't you kind of expect at least one death on your opening night? I mean, I guess that was like the slash of the face. I mean, that I feel like like we got our quote in this.
SPEAKER_05:Yes, okay. I just feel like that's kind of within the margins of the city.
SPEAKER_04:I think it was uh also like someone's gotta die somewhere in the like it's either in this scene or like coming up, it kind of showed more of made me realize the differences between the twins because he was like, the best part about me was him because he's like, I'm I'm a soldier, I'm the person who's willing to kill, and he's he's like the smokish one or something.
SPEAKER_02:Smoke is business, stack is fun. Yeah, and so like stacked helps like a mullet. Yeah. Smoke in the front, stack in the back. All right, so Slim orders the patrons to leave the joint, leaving only smoke. Preacher boy, Annie, Slim, Perline, and Grace, and like just like a couple people we haven't really met. Um, Preacher Boy tells Annie that she said we are coming back. Annie thinks it's haints and tries to warn Smoke, but he doesn't want to leave Stack or have anybody touch him or move him outside. He asked if Annie has anything that will bring him back to life. Like well, just like whatever like hoodoo powers, if there's like a hoodoo resurrection power. Yeah. Um haints are also like evil spirits and things, and I guess back in the day they would uh paint blue and stuff on it because it represents water and sky. That would ward off the evil spirits. Nice. Out of breath, I moved a little bit. It's hard to get up and down out of this chair. So Grace sends Bo to get the car because she's like, Yo, we were just supposed to like help supply this place and have a good time. We got a kid to worry about. We need to get out of here and go. So Bo goes to get the car. Um, after he's gone, cornbread returns and a man to be invited inside. And he realizes something is wrong because he isn't immediately walking in. She says that he is dead. He says, We are one people and he shouldn't be going in uninvited.
SPEAKER_00:He's like, I'm just trying to be polite with kindness.
SPEAKER_02:Uh cornbread is he crushes the seed. Um, she says, Oh, no one believes him. Cornbread asks for his money for the night. When Smoke puts out his hand, he vampirized cornbread, tries to bite him, but gets shot in the face and flees.
SPEAKER_03:Somebody told Smoke's ass to be careful. Yeah, he was careful. He was careful.
SPEAKER_02:He was threw it. That's what I would have done. I think it's one of those things where they're like, Oh, I mean, he could just be being weird. Maybe this is like a weird cornbread thing. I would, but yeah, I would have done what you'd done. Like, here you go. Made it right on him. Here, catch. Um, so Annie realizes that Annie realizes that they are dealing with. With vampires. Stack ends up coming back to life as a vampire inside the closet. He tries to convince Smoke to let him out. And he warns him not to. He bursts out before fleeing out of the joint when Annie splashes garlic juice in his face. Annie knows now that they are vampires. The vampires end up turning the other patrons, including Bo, who Grace wants to go get. Um, this is where we get the great Delta Slimline. Y'all smell anything? No. I think I shat myself. So Annie tells them they need garlic, wood, and holy water. She says with vampires, their souls get stuck in their bodies, and their souls can't go and live with their ancestors. She performs a hoodoo ritual to see their fates. She tells them to kill them with sunlight or a stake through the heart. Paperboy thinks this is his fault and that his father warned him. Delta Slim says the devil has come from him many times and to leave it to him. Paperboy. We watching Atlanta.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah. Paperboy.
SPEAKER_02:Paperboy. Um so preacher boy thinks he this is his fault and that his father warned him. Delta Slim says that the devil has come from him many times and to leave it to him. Annie, if she gets bit, she wants smoke to kill her so she can go and be with the people waiting for her on the other side. So um when Annie throws items on the table, they're called casting bones. She's performing a ritual, a form of hoodoo divination to gain insight into the vampire curse and foretell the future, revealing she already knows the tragic path ahead, including her own potential turning and the fate of smoke. All while they try to find a way to protect him and her soul for the afterlife. Like whenever she likes she saw that she was probably gonna get turned. She didn't see who. So that's whenever it gets to uh Stack being the one to do it, it's like, no, not you. Heartbreaking. Uh but yeah. Uh-huh. So they find a dead patron and take him outside. They're like, who bit him? Just get him the hell out of here. Uh, where they hear singing uh Rocky Road to Dublin, a song about a man traveling far from home, and the only people willing to help him are people of his own home. Uh holy shit, that's a good scene. Did not know that I needed this. A bunch of vampires. Their eyes in the background and everything. Irish folk song and like river dancing or whatever they call it.
SPEAKER_03:I was just like that shot where uh Rimic is river dancing his feet, you will swap.
SPEAKER_02:And then like you kind of got the Yeah, but then like at the end, and just like you see like Michael B. Jordan, Haley Steinfeld.
SPEAKER_03:Still loving it. Yeah. And it sounds good.
SPEAKER_02:Hell yeah. Because I was like, after we had the one big music number, I was like, oh shit, that's gonna be like the best music number. And then this one hit, and I'm like, we're getting two great ones. Hell yeah. They're just gonna put out a live album. It's just the it's just the shot of everybody in a circle all dancy to him, and he's just like, but then like whenever he ends the song, he's just like hyping them up surrounding them. It was just like, yeah, chills number four for me. Um, yeah. So then we realized pretty much everybody that left the place got turned. So the gang eat garlic to protect them. Perline doesn't like the garlic and doesn't want to eat it. Smokes like, eat it.
SPEAKER_03:Because the nigga of that bitch. Yeah, like I was like, come on, lady. Like, eat like Preacher Boy just ate that coups. Yeah. She walked five miles. And she can't eat no garlic.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, Natalie was like, just eat it. Look, I understand.
SPEAKER_04:Eating a whole garlic loaf would suck.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. But I told Natalie, I was like, oh man, I'd be like, Can I eat something with it? Natalie's like, to prove you're not a vampire, you would do it. She's like, Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, I'd just be like, I would like bite into it and be like, all right, am I good?
SPEAKER_03:Well, I love Delta Slim after he said, Man, no.
SPEAKER_02:Because like he's like, oh like patting his chest, like, hold on, hold on. Then he's like, uh he's like, Man, that Irish beer is terri uh really messing with my nerves. So then they go back to the guy that they thought died, uh, but it guess he just threw up alcohol or whatever.
SPEAKER_04:I think a bottle broke because he fell over.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, okay. So uh the guy is begging to come back in, and cornbread's like, Well, look at this, and notices him and attacks him. Bo tries, um, yeah, and like attacks him right as they're opening the door and like smokes, like, oh shit. And then that's when Bo tr comes up and like cornbread's just going ham on this guy, and he's like, All right, come on, Grace, let's go. He's like, Oh, that's not a big deal. I'm like, that's the best attempt you had, Bo. He just didn't care. He's like, I'll just be so casual about it. Yeah. Um and boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop. Yeah, so that doesn't work. Remick approaches and tells him that he has all of Bo's memories and now has, and Bo has his memories now. He tells him that he only wants Sammy because his music will help bring his people's spirits back to him. He said he sensed him and that if they give him up, they can all live. Delta Slim says he's one of them now, though. Um, yeah, just this whole scene rules because then you have like Mary and Um Stack and then Bert and Joan coming up. I love Joan because she's like she's almost like um, you know, it the vampires have become a cult by the end of this movie, essentially, right?
SPEAKER_00:Because she's like, fellowship in love.
SPEAKER_02:And it's just like, all right, calm down, lady.
SPEAKER_03:Is this when like Sammy almost like starts to walk out? Yeah, and they're like, No, no, no, no.
SPEAKER_04:They probably know it's like um well you're not gonna stop.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, I mean, I don't know. All they have to do is just stay in there. I mean, all they literally had to do is not go outside and wait for the sun to rise. Well, I think uh realized with uh so they could just push Sammy out and be like, so you're gonna go like to Chicago or something and get away from here?
SPEAKER_04:Um, is that with the husband, he just seems so cocky, and he's like, She's our weak link because he mentioned the daughter.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. So now that Mary, Stack, Bert, and Joan come up, and Remix says that what they have built here is a lie. He explains that the brothers were set up by Hogwood, who is the grand dragon of the KKK, and was gonna have Bert, his nephew, lead other Klansmen to kill the twins and their patrons, something that Stack backs up since he now has Remix memories. Fucking come on, man.
SPEAKER_04:Can I just say the names they use for their higher up people like y'all are fucking nerds? Yes, they are. That's the first time I heard of a Grand Dragon. Well, it's the Grand Wizard, and I think the Grand Dragon is the leader.
SPEAKER_03:My dad dressed up as a grand wizard one time for Halloween. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:But like the actual Grand Wizard?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, like red and black, and he walked in the Hooters legend. I mean, that's fucking hilarious.
SPEAKER_04:I did it. They were oh my god, that's a whole different story. I gotta move that's fucking hilarious.
SPEAKER_03:That's crazy. What are you thinking? How old was he? He's wild. He had to be like in his 30s, I'm sure.
SPEAKER_06:That's crazy.
SPEAKER_02:That's amazing. Ballsy. So um Rimick offers the group a chance to become vampires, allowing them to live forever and to escape racial persecution. Uh, when they refuse, Rimic suggests that they pay a visit to Lisa, Grace and Bo's teenage daughter. Stack tells Smoke that this is the freedom that they have been looking for, but they don't buy it, though. Alright, so the note I put in here hold for applause didn't really matter. Okay, so so Grace is set up and they are uh Grace is upset and they try to calm her. She calls out smoke for being a soldier and not doing anything because he's like constantly saying he's soldier, and it's like, they're threatening my daughter, they killed your brother, and you're not doing anything. So why are we calling you a soldier now? And he's just like he stands up, he's like, I'll hit you.
SPEAKER_04:Uh it's funny because it's the person who's like, You're a soldier, do something's like, Yeah, but he's also a a smart person. You don't just charge in there without a plan. Yeah, yeah. That's what that was.
SPEAKER_02:And they're like, We just have to sit here. Don't just don't go outside. You're fine, you're safe.
SPEAKER_04:Or invite them in.
SPEAKER_02:But then, I mean, they could constantly be coming back every night, though. So the survivors gather steaks, guns, and garlics. The vampires start singing, pick poor Robin clean. See, because it has double meaning that they're gonna pick them clean because they're vampires and bite. So then Grace shouts at the vampires to come inside as they think her daughter lead uh as she thinks of her daughter leading to the final showdown.
SPEAKER_05:I'll just be like, Yeah, Grace!
SPEAKER_04:Dang it! When they all started getting ready to fight, I would be like, beat her ass right now.
SPEAKER_02:She's like, I'm throwing her out. She's she invited you, she's outside now, so we should um is because so and she bites Smoke's hand, and that's how she's because they're trying to cover her mouth.
SPEAKER_04:Hayley Steinfeld's character, she uh was invited in, but then she left, so she couldn't get back in. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:So it's like she can, right?
SPEAKER_04:Well, she never did.
SPEAKER_02:No, you have to every time you think you go outside, you have to be back invited back in, I believe. I don't know. Or not. I don't know. So um, yes, final showdown time. Uh, even though like I'm like, damn it, Grace, why did you do this? But she fucking redeems it in the movie with like the most radous death.
SPEAKER_04:I love it. So this is what I want to bring up. So I, you know, I had the 4K version. Um it said, including extended scenes. And I've been watching it, and I was like, oh, has it happened? So it was right before that door opens up. So as it starts to they start to get ready, the scene just extends fully on my TV, and I was like, oh shit, this is fucking amazing.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, that's because like it was shot for IMAX. Certain scenes were. So like this whole final showdown to the point where Rimic dies is all shot like uh full screen, like for IMAX. It was so cool. Um, so Grace charges Bo the steak, but first they like she like throws Molotov cocktail and Rimic's just like, get this shit out of here, and it catches on fire. And like Grace goes and stabs Bo, but they both catch on fire. And so like you see him like and then when it cuts back to him, they're both like completely on fire, and she's still like, Well, so much for going to your daughter. I was just like, you know what, Grace? All forgiven, because that was metal.
SPEAKER_04:It was, but I'm like, you you're doing this to get back to your daughter.
SPEAKER_02:No, she's got nobody just to protect, she doesn't care about getting to her just to kill them all so they can't go get her. She just went too hard. Yeah. She went hard in the paint.
SPEAKER_03:They did it, she did ignore, like everybody ignored what Delta was saying. It's like, they're not going, it don't look like they're going anywhere.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, they're all outside singing. She should have just but I mean you never know, like after 30 minutes, it could be like Rimik, like, all right, I'm gonna go fly to get her and then bring her back and be like, eh, eh, eh. Gonna bite her, huh?
SPEAKER_03:But then I would wait. Yeah, just wait at that point. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Um, but you just can't trust vampires, you know what I mean? So uh now all the vampires are coming in. The gang is able to hold them off a bit, but then stack bites Annie. Damn. Because it's like smokes like, no, don't not her, and then she's like, not you, Stack. This is the worst possible situation. Seeing your lover being the one to kill you while your actual lover is right next to you, and it's just gotta be like, well fuck. Right? I mean, because they look the same. It's also I could think if she just feels bad maybe for your life.
SPEAKER_04:Maybe she feels bad for uh smoke because it's like you see your brother kill level of your life.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, and you also kind of see yourself kill the level of your life. It's like, you know, levels, man. Yeah. And then plus, you know, like you know, I don't know. This is crazy, it sucks. Um that's what they did. They're vampires. The not the the not you see that that was a fake laugh. That was a real laugh.
SPEAKER_04:See, I say that, but I don't fucking get recognition that it was.
SPEAKER_02:So that a little real laugh? No. Well, that's how I laugh a lot. Oh, sorry. But the not you line just really gets me. Um, and an emotional moment, she tells uh Smoke to kill her and he stabs her with a stake. Here's what I love though, right? So, like they still have their memories and their humanity a little bit inside of like Mary and Stack, right? So when they bite Annie, to them this is a joyous thing, right? They're like, Yes, Annie, you're part of a smoke, come on. And then as soon as he stabs them, Mary's like, No, this wasn't the plan. We're all supposed to be together forever.
SPEAKER_04:Because she like she didn't see it as death, she saw it as your new life.
SPEAKER_02:It's like, wait, what do you mean? We're gonna be together forever. What's the problem with this? And it's just like never really think about that in a vampire movie.
SPEAKER_04:Well, they showed like real emotion of like, even though we see them as killing them, they don't. And because he mentions it several times. Like, I wish we could have helped your mother. Yeah. Especially at the end when he talks to them.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. This is great because like, you know, they brought a lot of humanity to the vampires, and I'm like, that's they're not just uh because usually when you get vampires and they're super old, they're like, I'm just so done with life.
SPEAKER_04:I don't shave my mustache anymore.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, this movie makes you almost want to be a vampire just because how they Oh, if I could if I could be like any of like the old monsters and stuff like werewolves, Frankensteins, and mummies or whatever, I'd definitely want to be a vampire. Yeah. First of all, daytime, but so overrated.
SPEAKER_04:Uh you say that, but the beach in the morning is pretty nice. Well, I'll be in the beach at night.
SPEAKER_02:So the vampires all run away at this point. Uh Slim attracts a crowd of vampires to go after him by cutting his arm. Um, and then most of the vampires are staked and blown up. Smoke and stack fight each other while Sammy tries to escape Rimic outside after Perline saves him, but gets bit herself. This is where we get the because they go upstairs and they're gonna go outside and he opens the door, and this is where we get Sammy. God, it's so good. So good. Then Rimick claw uh so yeah. Uh Sammy makes it outside, and then um he's like, I'm running away. And then Rimmick comes up and he's like slashes his face and jumps off the second story. Yeah, and he like hurts his leg.
SPEAKER_04:Because uh he's fighting his brother.
SPEAKER_02:That was one of the honestly, that was one of the most general, genuous reactions I had from pain in this movie. Whenever he like falls, like, ooh. Yeah, well, he didn't get the body of the neck, I didn't care anything. The sh gunshots is whenever he landed on the ground, it was like the thud.
SPEAKER_04:Well, it seemed real because he didn't roll with it, he just immediately and he had a limp right after that.
SPEAKER_05:And he protected his guitar. My man.
SPEAKER_02:Um, but yeah, this explains what happened to his face earlier. And while in Rimic's grass, Sammy starts saying the Lord's prayer, but Rimick and the other vampire start saying it with him. Rimick explains that the men who stole his father's land said those same words to him, and then like this whole time he like then like as he's explaining, he's starting to almost kind of like baptize him, which is crazy. Oh yeah, I didn't think about that. That's cool. And so he baptizes him while telling him the men were liars and that everyone is connected to everything and everyone. Because they're like, with like the prayer, you can keep out the uh beast and everything, but he's like, We are nature, we are beasts, we are everything. With that everything bagel.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, like everything everywhere, all at once, and it all connects.
SPEAKER_02:So in smoke and sacrifice, and um, like every time Stack's almost about to get the upper hand, there's like the the you know, around him, there's kind of like the vibration because the mojo bag's protecting him. And um then Smoke gets the upper hand, and it looks like he's gonna stab him, and he's like, All I want to do is protect you, and it's like, you did, and then just Michael B. Jordan's face as he's like hovering over him. Man, yeah, fantastic.
SPEAKER_03:Like, I'm sorry I couldn't protect you. He's like he always did.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, that was re-watching it and like I don't know how I missed some of it. Like, it just didn't hit the same. Maybe I was just so absorbed with everything else that was going on. Re-seeing, like it made me appreciate more of him this time. And you're right, when I saw that, I was like, damn, it feels that made me made me feel bad.
SPEAKER_03:Yes, because he, I mean, he does a great job in this movie. Yeah, two different characters and the chemistry, like it's it felt real.
SPEAKER_04:And because I remember reading before this came out about him doing that, and I was like, Oh, that usually doesn't work out. And then when I uh watched it, I was like, damn, this is they really feel like brothers.
SPEAKER_05:Yes.
SPEAKER_04:Yes, it feels like two separate people.
SPEAKER_02:And that's why when I was talking about the little handing the cigarette over, and why I was like, that's so fantastic. Most movies can't do that, and it makes you feel like they're both in the same movie, unlike you know, like parent trap, like or what is it with like the twins? Is that parent trap or whatever? And like whenever you got a Lindsay low hand on each side of the screen, but obviously they were it was just imposed one on one side and so great. Um, anyways, so Preacher Boy uses the twins' father's guitar to jam the silver part into Rimick's skull. He's like, God dang it, golly D. I love his reaction.
SPEAKER_04:It just seems like a real reaction.
SPEAKER_02:He's like, shh, ouchies. Um and then smoke then shows up and stakes Rimick through the chest just as the sun starts coming up. Get all the other vampires like that.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, they're all stunned from him getting hit in the face with the silver.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, thank you. Because I was sitting here like, how did he just get up there without them stopping him? They're all like so that explains it. Thank you. Ouchie. Well, I mean, they went after the head. Nobody. Well, uh, if anyone because I think I don't know, maybe someone was asking, it's like, well, why would silver hurt them? I was like, well, I think silver is considered a pure marrow, kind of like salt is considered pure, and that's why it can stop. Well, in vampire lore, silver also werewolves and vampires. They're both I don't like it. They're all like, ouch. Oh, well, the okay, now I remember. Silver is because of the reason it hurts them, is because of technically the vampire is something made of the devil, and silver hurts them because of the silver coins that Judas was paid for his uh betrayal of Jesus.
SPEAKER_01:Oh.
SPEAKER_04:Interesting. Yeah. I love that. I I I thought that was a cool concept for it.
SPEAKER_02:No, that was great. I never actually knew the reason that they didn't either that uh silver was a big thing. Uh so and then Rimic, he's like bursting into flame. Everybody's catching on fire. And then like the way that Rimic dies is really cool where it's like a tornado.
SPEAKER_04:Like, yeah, you said um his soul, like their souls, he can't be, she can't they can't be free. It's like, is that his soul being freed?
SPEAKER_02:Because it's yeah, that's what I was also kind of curious about. I would assume. Like, I mean, it almost but then you'd be like, well, why wouldn't you just die, kill yourself earlier? Because you're usually at that point. Like with the, you know, with all the like the classic universal horror mon uh monsters, like usually it's a curse. So like maybe even after you're kind of damned to hell, so you won't get to go and be with your ancestors.
SPEAKER_04:Well, if it goes with the fact of like them being more animals, self-preservation is a thing.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, and it's true. And he's like, you know, I can live forever. Whatever. You know, what's up, dog? So yeah, and then we see Mary, she makes her escape a little bit earlier. We saw knowing that the clan is coming. Smoke orders Preacher Boy to get away quickly and bury the guitar. Because I can't, because you know, it was Charlie Stanton's, and he's like, What? Who told you that? Stack, he's like, he's a damn liar. But then we realize it was their dad's guitar. Damn. Oh. Which I feel like the big deal is there. Is like, you know, they're still kind of clutching, even though, like, you know, their dad wasn't the best guy. They're like, Well, they still should stay in the family, so they gave it to Preacher Mm.
SPEAKER_04:Maybe someone who was they could see it as like someone who was considered evil or bad, someone who has it can do something good with it.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah. I thought it was like that's his soul. Oh, and yeah, you could look at it like that too.
SPEAKER_04:It would make sense for uh Stack to give it to him because Smoke was the one who like kind of was hardened more because he's the one who had to like kill his dad. And yeah. Yeah, it breaks that innocence of who your dad was versus Stack who was knocked out.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Um and then he tells Sammy to be strong. So smoke smoke lights up his cigarette and he's like all shaky. But you know, like earlier he wasn't shaky, and now he's like, you know, kind of traumatized right now.
SPEAKER_03:I also thought that he couldn't because he's got the shakes. Yeah. Stack always made the cigarettes for him.
SPEAKER_02:Oh yeah, that's right.
SPEAKER_01:Heaven fucking hey, man.
SPEAKER_02:Um but while he's making the cigarette, we uh see flashes of everyone coming to the party and setting up and smiling and having a good time. And this is where I start to kind of break down a little bit while watching the movie. I'm like, it was the friends you made along the way.
SPEAKER_04:Usually you don't get that, but seeing like all the people the music swelling as well. And like them seeing because it wasn't there. Some scenes we didn't see originally. Yeah, yeah. Adding that in there adds so much more, it brings it more to life of like the connection.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, because you see all like the women making the food and stuff, and Joseph Slim having a good time and every time's life. And then he like keeps cutting to him, shaking with a cigarette, and he's just like, fuck. He had everything, and then all in one night, it went away. Um, so with the music smelling, smell smelling, with the music swelling, and then uh he takes his mojo bag off and the music goes away. He's like, I don't want the protection anymore. I'm ready to go myself. Um, and uses the power he knows will work to ward off the evil that's coming.
unknown:Guns.
SPEAKER_05:It's a normal evil.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. It's like, you know what? I'm gonna do what I like to do. Hell yeah. The power I know shooting bad people. So Smoke gathers his weapon and hides as the Klansmen arrive. He proceeds to shoot them dead with like uh what type of gun was it he used at the beginning? First?
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, when he's in the woods. I'm not really sure they're World War I like sniper rifle, it looks like because he didn't damn that's a big gun.
SPEAKER_02:And then he's like, you know, I'm fucking picking it up. But then he ran out of bullets pretty fast.
SPEAKER_04:Well, it's a rough like those rifle ones don't usually hold a lot of rounds. So and he wasn't that far away. So I mean, if it was just a rifle, you could do a lot.
SPEAKER_02:Man, when he unburied the Tommy gun, we're in Tommy Gun era. Let's go, baby. Love it. So he's like shooting everybody, and then like one truck's trying to get away, and then he goes and like throws a grenade in there. Yeah, and then he starts shooting, and I was like, Smoke, just don't do that. It's gonna explode. Hide.
SPEAKER_05:I think he maybe Well, there's still the guy in the back that was shooting at him.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, but I figured like he'd probably explode with the truck.
SPEAKER_04:Well, he probably also did it just so they wouldn't try and throw it out while you're being distracted, being a good one.
SPEAKER_02:And I think he's okay with dying. Yeah, I think a part of this is his last stand, and he's ready to go with he's ready to go and be with people. Um, so yeah, and then one guy gets him right in the stomach. Um, then he uh yeah, so then he goes to Hogwood, he's last one. He's like, You got a cigarette, and he says bad stuff, and then he's like gives him the cigarette anyways.
SPEAKER_04:I love it. It echoes that point home more of like you're dying, and maybe you can see the air every ways, still now just full of hate still. Yeah, and and then you feel like if you're a normal person, you look in that moment and say, God, this is one uh one of my favorite scenes because you're just killing a bunch of KKK members.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, and then he sits down, smokes a cigarette, and then he sees Annie and this newborn baby. Which fucking crushes my soul.
SPEAKER_04:Makes sense about what you said about how Stack used to make the cigarettes for him. He asks him for one because he's like, I can't make them make it.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, got the shakes. Um, and then like Hogwood's just like, hey, because like he's in this moment and he's like, I'll let you hold Annie's like, I'll let you hold the baby if you get put out that cigarette. We can't have all that smoke on the baby.
SPEAKER_00:And it's like, uh, names.
SPEAKER_02:Um, I love when he then and then uh Hogwood's like, I'll give you money, and he's like, You motherfucker.
SPEAKER_05:Stop that. It's like the killing Hitler and Glorious Battle. He shoots him in the dick and everything.
SPEAKER_04:I loved it because it felt kind of real because those that's what everyone talked about how brutal the Tommy guns were.
SPEAKER_02:So I think I watched a documentary on like very inaccurate, but brutal.
SPEAKER_04:Well, it's because it's also nine millimeter bullets.
SPEAKER_02:What was that uh show where it's like uh it would put like certain like the mafia versus the Jesse James gang? Y'all remember that?
SPEAKER_03:The Delius Warriors. Yes, Delius.
SPEAKER_02:Because they had it where it was like the gangsters and they used Tony guns, and it's just like when they shot him, they're like, This thing isn't going at all where we're pointing at.
SPEAKER_04:It just it just riddles you with bullets. And yeah, it was such a good scene seeing him like do it. It felt like he was because he like you could see the pain on him of like, he's also a bigger guy, so it's gonna take a lot. So he probably was in a lot of fucking pain, which he fucking deserved. Good.
SPEAKER_02:So then after he kills him, he throws his gun away, and then he takes his kid in his hands, and it's sad, and I'm dead inside.
SPEAKER_04:Anyone else a little shocked that she's just gotta boob out feeding the baby? Wasn't expecting that.
SPEAKER_00:It's very maternal.
SPEAKER_02:I know, but it was also just it was a memory that he loved, is like, oh I have my wife and the baby, and she's taking care of the baby, and it's just like a beautiful moment for him.
SPEAKER_04:Seeing it more as like a memory, yeah. Yeah. Well, I just saw it like she's a ghost type of thing, but seeing it more as like a memory and doing it.
SPEAKER_05:Ghost milk.
SPEAKER_04:Or's Patrick Swayze.
SPEAKER_02:Uh so Sammy returns to the church, but he refuses to give up music despite his father's pleas. He ends up driving north with a guitar still in his hand, then cuts to Chicago 1992, where we see an older Sammy playing music. And then during the credits, Sammy, uh played by a buddy guy who's like a popular uh Delta Blues singer, is shown as an elderly blues musician in 1992. After a performance, he is found by Stack and Mary. Love it, because like a bouncer comes in and is like, hey, someone says they'll pay$200 if they could come in. Is that okay? And he's like, Yeah, and then he walks out, and then the creaking of the door, the music's kind of the horror music's coming up, and then they pop out, and we're like, Oh no, the two hottest people in the world just walked in the room. In the 90s fifths, sick. I was like, they are the coolest people to ever walk in a room right there. Um, so they greet him warmly with Stack saying that smoke couldn't kill him and ordered him to stay away from Sammy to let him live out his life. Stack senses that Sammy doesn't have long left because he's like, you're gonna die. And offers to turn him so he can stay around longer and keep playing music. But Sammy says he has seen enough of the world and is ready to go on his own terms. Sammy plays one last song for Stack and Mary on the guitar from that night, because it's like the same guitar. Um, before they leave, he gives Sammy a hug. Sammy says that he still has nightmares from that night, but the time before the sun went down was the best day of his life. And then Stack agrees, saying it was the last time he saw his brother and the sun, and it's the last time he truly felt free. And then we cut to Sammy riding in the back of a car with smoke and stack, and I'm like, Well, we can't leave the theater until I my eyes dry up a little bit. And then the credits happen, then we get a post-credit scene of Sammy seeing this little light of mine, the that is sinners. Who wants to start with what the point of the movie is? If y'all feel more comfortable, I can do it because I have it written down in front of me.
SPEAKER_05:Go for it, man.
SPEAKER_02:So I think there's kind of three possible points. This is all just based on what I thought when watching the movie, what it was kind of about. So, um first point I thought how people over the course of humanity have stolen music and culture from each other without understanding it and seeing why it's important to people who sing it. Like when Delta Slim told this story about rice, and then the hurt is so bad that he just went straight into the blues. Like um the Breakfast Cup glass. I don't know. I know there's always been like videos of Charlemagne kind of talking to like white rappers. And I remember it was like post-Malone. I think he was like, Do you even know like where the music comes from and like like everything behind it? Because he's like, you know, stuff like that. Um, so I think that was kind of it. Where if like everybody starts using everybody's stuff and don't know where it means what it means and where it comes from, kind of like uh sterilizes it a little bit and stuff like that.
SPEAKER_04:So like what uh Stack said, he's like, I don't like the electric stuff, it's not real. And what he I was like, I get what he's saying because when you're doing it, it's like you said, if it's sterilized, you don't feel that true meaning of it anymore.
SPEAKER_02:Like dilute it. Yeah, yeah. And another point, because there's obviously a lot of like religious stuff in this, and that Christianity tries to sanitize other cultures and wash away where people come from, and then say that music or your culture is wrong, um, and to turn from it, kind of like the what the preacher was saying there.
SPEAKER_05:And like everybody was wearing white.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Also think about like uh church music and everything like that. That's black culture.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. That's why we have fire or the choirs and stuff that they are. And then the third one, the freedom is when you and the people you love are all having a good time together and experiencing life. When you find that thing you love, you can always feel free. And you know, obviously they didn't have to worry about anybody coming in and making a big fuss that they were having fun and stuff like that.
SPEAKER_00:Those are kind of the three points I had. Did anybody else have anything else?
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, sure. Um Vampires bad. It kind of reminds me of the the term sundown towns. Where like and the vampires kind of fit into that because they were kind of forced out of the sunlight.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, gotcha, yeah.
SPEAKER_05:And they're you know, and that's like all the bigotry and hatred uh just force them. I don't know, it's just it's uh horrible time in history.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. Funny how you could be a man-eating vampire and you're the one of the less racist persons in this film.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, exactly. Alright, well if nobody's got anything else, we can move to our next category. I mean, as I was watching it with my wife, I was like, I'm like how he chose, you know, Irish, because Irish, you know, culture and black culture are kind of one of the same, you know, both slaves treated rough.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, because when they came over like into America, they were not treated very well either.
SPEAKER_03:They're treated well, yeah. In their music, I mean they talk about you know pain and stuff like that. And it's a lot of parallels.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. It shows that at like I don't know, it's the whole everyone has suffered at some point. It's uh because they always bring up like, well, the Irish suffer too. When people talk about like black suffering, it's like, yeah, but that's not a thing anymore. It's been gone for a long time and there's still this. Like you the everyone just tries to ignore past stuff that's like we should be coming together in that moment, not trying to say, Well, I had this as well. It should be a sympathy, not of well, I don't care. I've had it as well, we've had it as well, type of thing. Yeah. Uh I think my main thing is uh poke go punch your local KKK member Nazi.
SPEAKER_05:Yay. I think we can all agree. Uh water bottle.
SPEAKER_02:Oh. So we're gonna hit to our next category: the good, the bad, the ugly, the fine. It's where we discuss the good of the film. It could be a scene, the acting, directing, whatever. The bad, something we didn't like. It's kind of the same as good, but the opposite. Don't know why I'm explaining it like this. So the ugly, something that didn't age well, the fine, something that did age well. I can kick us off for the good, the entire dang thing. Acting, directing, music, writing, kind of all crushed it. Uh it is a very how do I say kind of so you know, when people say prestigious movies, it's kind of like snooty people talking about prestigious movies, right? Brian Kugler was able to uh merge the prestige and the kind of like uh popcorn flick all in one, and he did it very successfully, I feel like.
SPEAKER_05:Hell yeah, man. What I thought was really good was the uh the good versus evil kind of represented was like the evil was able to turn this community against itself with the vampirism. But like him, but they were weak. Like the the bigotry and the hatred of the people like the KKK guys, they're weak as fuck because he killed them all. Yeah. Just one guy. But like the only way that they got taken out was like being turned against each other.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Anybody else got it good?
SPEAKER_03:Uh yeah, I like uh Remic. I like a villain I can get behind. Yeah. And like he makes when they're all at that door, he's like, you know, gimme Sammy, stuff like that. Sammy's about to walk out, give himself up. Yeah. And then, you know, and that same scene, Stat comes up, he's like, I'm not doing this shit without you. Yeah. Smoke almost walks out. Yeah. I'm like, man, like he's making it very hard not to be a vampire because you would be free and you could have the upper hand on all these KKK and all that. Like, yeah, y'all could just take over and so Rimic, definitely good.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, it's uh it's I think that's what pushes this movie over the top. Yes. Is uh having a good villain where you actually are kind of like, I mean, I don't know.
SPEAKER_01:You could you could leave forever. You can very live forever.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, he's just trying to think of wow. I think if there was a way where he could be like, How about this? I can't control y'all, y'all don't have any of my stuff. Just let me feel Sammy's power, and like, hey, maybe every once in a while Sammy comes up, plays me a song, and then all my answers just come up.
SPEAKER_04:But it was also like his reasoning is like he wants to see because he can't, he's he's like, I can't die, I don't want to kill myself.
SPEAKER_02:So Yeah, and um like I was kind of reading like where the uh because whenever he says like oh the people came and stole my father's land, that was like in the 1300s, so he hasn't seen anybody from his time since the 1300s. And then who knows how long he's been in America. I mean, I guess a while, but you know.
SPEAKER_04:I say my good is what Ryan Kugler apparently got to do with the rights of the film. It's like uh is the first like in the industry, it's that he gets the full rights. The studio cannot make movies without his permission. Because usually the studio gets to hold the rights and choose to that's why sometimes like the director could be like all back in the day, it used to be one-off movies, and then all of them we get like a sequel that didn't seem to like how movies used to feel like they used to wrap up, then we get a sequel that kind of backtracks on some stuff and takes it down because that's the studio's like we want to make more because it made so much money, and instead of leaving things as is, he has full control to be like, if I want to do it, I have the full say. So if I ever actually want to come back to it.
SPEAKER_02:That's great, Dakota, because that was gonna be in my fine. Something that I aged well. That's perfect. Cool. Um, so we're gonna hit the bad. Um, I put nothing and I will fight you.
SPEAKER_04:I have just it's nothing with it. It's just with my second rewatch. It's a little bit of some of the choreography, and then like when I went back and they when the vampires come into the barn. One at a time.
SPEAKER_02:The like coming at the end of the day, just a little bit of overwhelming on them. They did one at a time.
SPEAKER_04:Kind of not that. It was more of just like I was watching, I was like, wait, who the hell is this dude that just randomly got bit? I was like, where did you come from?
SPEAKER_03:That was just my little bit of a some of the good people that were yeah, that was that was it.
SPEAKER_02:Um you can see them in the scenes prior, just kind of walking around in the background and stuff.
SPEAKER_04:But it wasn't enough to show. I want if we just had a little bit more showing them, and then Jason cleared up one of my faults was like, How did how did smoke get up behind him just to stab him? And then it made sense that they're all like sitting there, yeah, got a silver disc in their brain.
SPEAKER_02:Yep.
SPEAKER_04:Anybody else got a bad? Something they didn't like?
SPEAKER_05:Not really.
SPEAKER_04:Uh I I have a bad. The bad is fuck you, Warner Brothers, for what you're gonna do and make it we're probably never a good movie like this again.
SPEAKER_03:We might. You don't know that we might say what's the last good Netflix movie you watch?
SPEAKER_04:I'm just gonna go. What's the last good Netflix movie you watch? Netflix is buying Warner Brothers?
SPEAKER_02:Uh well, maybe about be Paramount now. Now name a good Paramount movie that's come out. I haven't seen Wake Up Dead Man, but I'm assuming that's gonna be good. It's got good reviews. Oh, the Knives Out. Knives Out uh third movie. Don't get me started on calling it a knives out story.
SPEAKER_03:I'd say uh a bad of mine. I don't really like Pearline. Really? Really? I don't like Pearlin.
SPEAKER_04:I could I don't like I don't have a reason for it, but I could see why you could say it. Like is it because she's like you could clearly tell, like, she's like, I'm married, and it's like you're married and you're doing all this.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, and it's that and like the whole garlic thing. Oh, yeah, that's it. Sammy was I mean, it maybe it's pushing that button.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, you bitch. Very valid point. I don't know. I guess I like Perline. Is her song just like her singing, she was great at singing that song.
SPEAKER_04:She was I guess she's a bit hypocritical thing, I guess. When I watch it again, I was like, eat the fucking garlic. Yeah, dude. When he pulled the gun out, I was like, I completely understand. She can't eat damn garlic. Everyone else doing it, no problem.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, you give me some mayo, I'll be like, I don't know, just shoot me. I'm not gonna give you garlic, probably do the same thing. The next is the ugly something that didn't age well. I put racism and CGI fire. Hogwood. What part well some of the CGI fire was still good. Yeah, the so when I because when I took notes I watched it on HBO Max, whenever I watched it uh later that day with Natalie, the 4K just made the fire look a little bit worse than when it was on streaming. So I will see Which you kind of already talked talked to me about that earlier.
SPEAKER_04:Apparently that can be some settings on if you're watching were you watching the streaming or the ph physical one? I mean, I watched both. Okay, so that can affect it because I watched it physical and I thought the fire looked great, but it also affects how bright your room is, which can affect the quality.
SPEAKER_02:I don't know. Is this one of those things where whenever they're kind of all catching on fire and crawling around, I was like, you know, CGI fires is hard to do and look authentic, and it's one of those things that I can always just be like CGI.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Um but yeah, then all that's right.
SPEAKER_05:Why didn't they just I'll with Dakota a little bit, like, why didn't they all just run inside when the sun was coming up?
SPEAKER_04:But they were Yeah, that that was I guess that was my other uh part is that because the sun was rising so quickly and they got stabbed, they got smacked, and he was slowly and they're feeling it, and the sun luckily was coming up at that time. So sun came out quick.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, well, as we saw, like Renakes not the best till of time, apparently, because whenever we first introduce him, he's like flying in the air right when the sun's about to come up. Or go where go down. Well, well, it's actually, I guess that's all happening during the day. So, like, how long was he outside when he was like flying in the air?
SPEAKER_04:Well, they could have hunted him down and were like he was trying to run, hide in the shadows as best he could.
SPEAKER_02:Because it seemed like an open field and the sun was up and he was just flying in the air. Maybe maybe he had like really good SPF. Just like Blade. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06:That guy, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:So for the fine, something that aged well. IR, you kind of already said a little bit of what I said, but I mean, just Ryan Kugler. Jeez, man. Since Fruitville Station, banger after banger, except Wakanda Forever, that looked like a bangers, maybe.
SPEAKER_04:I don't blame him for that. That's just what happens when you're with Marvel. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:It's like, hey, throw in 50,000 things.
SPEAKER_04:Well, it's like apparently like Pedro Pascal, great actor, and the two other people that they had in there. I don't really know the actress that well, but uh dude from Stranger Things and then a guy from the Bills. Talking about Fantastic Four. Just saying like the Marvel thing, you can have these great people, but Marvel will still take you down.
SPEAKER_05:I I think those rat ass fucking blues scenes. Yes.
SPEAKER_03:I think those are always a satisfying. Because I I I used to sleep on blues. I'm like, well, now this movie's like, damn, okay.
SPEAKER_04:It kind of opens your mind of like uh understanding the appreciation. And when you can get someone who does it really well, it's and they emphasize it more instead of it being like a background, it feels like it's a main part of the story, and they explain it in such a way that makes you have that deeper appreciation. Yep.
SPEAKER_01:Yep. Crushed it. Great movie. Amazing. Some would say 10 out of 10. Like me.
SPEAKER_02:Oh it's oh, yeah, definitely. Oh, wait, I do have one ugly, right? Everybody's coming out with their fucking top 10 list and like top 25 for like best movies of the year. Cinners being left out when everybody said it was already the best movie of the year, like halfway through the year, and now it's starting to be like like I was looking at one list, they had it in like number 20, and they put a bunch of movies. I was like, I've seen those. Out of this year, 20 movies? Yeah. What I could not tell you 20 movies this year that have like been some people, this is like their job to watch movies and stuff. So, you know, they have to your job.
SPEAKER_04:You should really appreciate it.
SPEAKER_02:And you also have to remember, like, all the like the great Oscar movies are about to come out, those are getting seen by people who make these lists at like Sundance Film Festival, and but they won't come out until like December, January, and February before the Oscars, so they can be in consideration. It's a problem I have with our studio system. If you want us to watch your damn Oscar movies, make them come out, you know, earlier in the year. But then they don't want to do that because then people forget about it and all these old Oscar watchers.
SPEAKER_04:No, no, you're you're emphasizing wrong. The people who vote on the Oscars also didn't have to watch them until recently. And they still are doing it on our system. So they probably could not have watched it as well.
SPEAKER_02:Well, you also kind of gotta think these people are all filmmakers and they're all super busy making movies, and it's like, how are we supposed to watch two? Hundred movies for the Oscars. I don't. Just watch the few that you can and make your picks. And also the Oscars. It's awards, they're fake awards. None of it matters. Just make your good movie and let us watch it. That's all I'm asking. Um cool. I don't remember why I said all that. Oh, that was the ugly.
SPEAKER_00:So we're gonna hit our next category. Double features. What do we recommend a movie to go alongside this movie? Are you still doing sorry to bother you? No, I figured out uh something else. Alright. Who wants to go first? Then I will. So I actually have two movies, right?
SPEAKER_04:I want you to first. I want to hear what you got. Um me? Well, what you said before. I want to I'm curious about it.
SPEAKER_03:Well, I can't speak too much on it because you know he hasn't finished it. It's episode six and seven of Welcome to Dairy.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, okay. Well, I mean, that's good enough for me to kind of interpret it. Um, six and seven. I can kind of see what you're talking about there. Six, seven, y'all.
SPEAKER_02:We are all millennials and we don't get it.
SPEAKER_06:Cool.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, everyone has turned off.
SPEAKER_03:I didn't even realize it.
SPEAKER_02:Sorry for the ones that hate that shit. I don't really um yes. So I hate it, but I still do it. I actually got uh two films that I recommend. Uh one is Near Dark. Um, it is a vampire movie directed by Catherine Bigelow, who did uh Hurt Locker movies like that. Um it's a small town.
SPEAKER_04:Is that a female sorry?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, Catherine Bigelow.
SPEAKER_04:Well, that's interesting. I didn't know that for a Hurt Locker. That's really Yeah, she won that she won the Oscar.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. It was like a big deal because also Avatar was nominated the same year. There uh James Cameron and Catherine Bigelow were like best director. They used to be married. So it was very like ah fun. Um so the movie's about a small town farmer's son reluctantly joins a traveling group of vampires after he is bitten by a beautiful drifter. This has Bill Paxton in it.
SPEAKER_04:There is a scene um someone, right? Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Here's the thing there is one scene with Bill Paxton that is so good. It is awesome. He is overacting like he's does in a lot of his movies around the 90s and stuff, and it's so good. You could just go and watch that scene, just look up the Bill Paxton scene from Near Dark, and it's so good. Um, but yeah, it's one of Catherine Bigelow's, I think it's her first movie, and it's kind of considered one of the best uh vampire movies ever.
SPEAKER_04:I would have to watch it, but it's only a freaking shudder.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. And so my next one is because I had one that's more of like a vampire movie, and then this next one's kind of like a very social commentary movie, so I kind of split them apart. It's called Sorry to Bother You. It is a batshit film. It's hilarious, it's great. It's kind of um it's got a cannibal in it. It's like a real life cannibal. It's very surrealist, it's like a satire on anti-black racism, class oppression, and the moral comp compromise inherited in modern capitalism. It's directed by Boots Riley, which I don't know if y'all know him. He's like a musician. Uh the film uses dark comedy and absurd plot twists to critique corporate exploitation uh exploitation and call for work as an organization and stuff like that. It's great. Nice, it's awesome. And I love when he's like, they're like, all right, uh, what's his name? Saul. The guy in Saul.
SPEAKER_03:Um which one? Uh uh Tobin Bell? No. Um, what's his name? Costus Mandalore. No. What are you talking about? Which one? Give her the what is this? Which one?
SPEAKER_04:There's only like 10 of them.
SPEAKER_03:The first one. Okay.
SPEAKER_04:Danny Glover. Danny Glover!
SPEAKER_06:You can't remember Danny Glover?
SPEAKER_02:But uh Danny Glover's in it, and like, you know, they're working at like a telemarketing thing, and he's like, and he try like Keith Stanfield's in it, and he tries his first uh call. And he's like, no, you gotta put on your white voice. And he's like, um, hello, sir. I mean, it's so true. And if you like horses, you'll like the movie. And it it also has um what's his name in True Blood? Blonde haired guy, really tall. Skarsgard? Skarsgard's in it, yeah. Damn.
SPEAKER_04:What's I'm blanking on everything. Oh, good. Can you remember the white person's last name, but he can't remember the distinguished actor David Glover.
SPEAKER_02:I said I didn't know him. He's the blonde guy in True Bloods. That's what I said he is.
SPEAKER_04:But you named something he was in. You was the last time you watched True Blood?
SPEAKER_02:I said Saul. He said Saul. I should have said Lethal Weapon. There you go. That was Devin. But I saw Devin, he's my Saul guy.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, that's that you saw Devin. That's why you thought that's the first one.
SPEAKER_02:All right, so I said my double feature. Devin has said his double feature. Now we have Jason in Dakota. Who wants to go first?
SPEAKER_05:Dakota, uh, the animated Castlevania series of rules. I don't know. Damn. That's good.
SPEAKER_03:I think it went bad, but that first season was really good.
SPEAKER_04:It's good. Like, and now it does get more because Shane watched it and he didn't like it after it because he liked the whole thing, like they were really focusing on God and like what Dracula was doing. I told him, like, if you could watch after it, it's you mean Alocord? No, no, no. He's a son.
SPEAKER_05:Idiot.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, but it's Dracula spelled backwards. I know, but that's why and he's like one of the villains in the other games. Yeah, there's a million of those, but it's just gonna put it there. I didn't say it was I just was making a joke. I mean a time chair.
SPEAKER_04:You got the season the action in it's really good. And then apparently also random topics Ragnarok's back.
SPEAKER_03:I know I need to watch it.
SPEAKER_04:What's yours, Dakota? So I have we talked about it several times and it made me realize it. Midnight Mass.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, the movie's cool. Ugh, the use of ice that show.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, it's uh it's the same guy who did uh Haunting a Hill House.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I liked Hill House, and I just the second one I didn't like. Did you not like Haunting the Hills? I didn't like that. Yeah, I didn't really watch it. It wasn't as good. I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_04:Haunting a Hill House and Midnight Mass. Those are his two best things. Midnight Mass is amazing. I liked House of Usher of House of Usher. We fell out of watching. The monkey scene? Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:The last thing we saw was like the acid The Red Woman. I think that scene. Is that what that's from? The House of Usher, Raymond.
SPEAKER_02:Um it's really good. I mean, he's great with dialogue, he's great with directing.
SPEAKER_04:I think the problem was that when we were trying to watch it, it was when I had like the 720p of Netflix, and it was very hard to watch that. Especially in dark scenes, but we should try and get back to it.
SPEAKER_02:Definitely watch Men Not Mask be like vampire stuff. It's great. A lot of monologues. So you know that uh you gotta you gotta like the writing and the acting. Um the best one is the preacher guy. He is fantastic. He is someone really good. God, and the guy, uh oh man, the boat scene. Oh man, so good. Hey guys, that's the end of Sinners. We did it. We concluded our first four-person podcast. So I was thinking we got one more episode to the end of the year. Um I was like, what's a movie, what's a good movie that kind of ends on New Year's Eve? And I was like, oh shit. When Harry met Sally. What?
SPEAKER_05:It's probably like I've never seen it.
SPEAKER_02:It's like it's one of my favorite rom coms.
SPEAKER_04:So I don't do rom-coms just because they're so always very cliche. I watched that one, love it. Is my favorite rom com movie.
SPEAKER_05:Is that the movie that she says I'll or she have a season? It's so good.
SPEAKER_02:It's because of Billy Crystal and his like he feels like a genuine person. And Matt Ryan, they're kind of a perfect couple, but there's also it uh has Carrie Fisher and like the person that she acts beside. It's there's just so many good scenes I can't wait to talk about. Uh no, she's not, not in this one. Uh, but it's directed by Rob Reiner. Uh he did like Stand By Me. Is he wearing a golden bikini? Something like that. Huh? Nothing.
SPEAKER_04:Jesse will wear a golden bikini for you when you're important.
SPEAKER_02:And I thought it'd be a prominent movie also to do because he uh he directed This Is Spinal Tap and This Is Spinal Tap 2 is out on HBO Max.
SPEAKER_05:We'll start it up to 11.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. So join us next week for that. Devin Dakota, thank you for joining us. Yes, sir. This has been a very uh double J, double D uh podcast. Yeah. Um so join us next week for when Harry Met Sally. If you'd like to leave us a review, you should do that. We need more of those. Also, leave us some fan mail. I already told you earlier, but the link is in the top of the description, and at the bottom of the description is our Gmail. We recommend mailbag at gmail.com. So do that. Uh if you're into social media and you want to follow accounts that don't post anything, please follow us on the social media. Um and thank you, Joey Prosser, for our intro and outro music. You can find him on X at Mr. Prosser. I'm pretty Joey Prosser. Jesus, I've lost my mouth here. I don't know what I'm saying. Also lost my brain. Anyways, this has been the We Recommend Podcast. I'm Jesse. I'm Jason. Devin. I'm Dakota. Um, Vampirism, all right. Bye.
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