Hell or High Water

This week we are covering the Best Picture nominated Hell or High Water! Listen to us discuss one of Jesse's favorite films of 2016. They dig into which is better Westerns or Neo Westerns. When did Jeff Bridges forget how to talk?

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Why Hell Or High Water Works

SPEAKER_01 0:01

Hello and welcome to the We Recommend Podcast, a movie podcast where every week we recommend a movie for you to watch, and then come back here and listen to us discuss. I'm Jesse. I'm Jason. I've been poor my whole life, like a disease passing from generation to generation, but not my boys, not anymore. Cause this week we recommend Hell or High Water.

SPEAKER_02 0:34

Doesn't matter. Yeah. It will still still contract those. Anyway.

SPEAKER_01 0:41

Um, so what did you think of Hell or High Water, Jason? Uh I really like it. It's a fucking fantastic movie.

SPEAKER_02 0:50

I think it is really fantastic. Although I think they really try to prop up Texas a lot. And that's kind of silly.

Texas Pride, Guns, And Bank Heroes

SPEAKER_01 0:59

You see, I was actually there's so many times in this movie where I'm I've seen this a few times. Uh it's also a classic, like, hey, you're around a dad or like an older guy. It's like put on this and they'll be like enveloped in it. Because it's essentially like um, it's a a Neo Western, you know, new Western. And uh those are all great. It's kind of like no country for old men and stuff like that. Yeah, it really is. But this movie is something, it's kind of fascinating for how much I'm like, ugh, these types of people, and then like at the same time, like, hell yeah, these types of people. It is like I was constantly like switching of like, I don't agree with anybody, and I agree with everybody at the same time, and I think that's what makes this movie fascinating. Yeah, that's really interesting. It's because except for like the townsfolk who are just willing to put their lives on the round for some bank. It's like, who cares about these banks' money? It did means nothing. Took her curves. Right. It's like they're taking your stuff.

SPEAKER_02 1:56

We're gonna protect the insurance company.

SPEAKER_01 1:59

Right. It's like, let them take it. They're just gonna get that money back anyway.

SPEAKER_02 2:02

Yes, for God's sakes. And that's what that that's what I thought was the silliest shit. Like, and then that's what I I think it kind of makes it seem like, in one way, that they're saying this is awesome that people are gonna stand up and have guns and shoot the bank robbers. But yeah, and then at the same time, you're like, that's so fucking stupid. Yeah, like whenever Why would you put your life on the line for some money that will be replaced immediately?

SPEAKER_01 2:29

They run outside and everybody starts shooting them, and then they start chasing them, and he's like, Got his is it M4 or AR-15, whichever one of those? And then it starts like plowing them. It's like, oh shit.

SPEAKER_02 2:39

He's like, Oh, oh dang, he's got a bigger gun than we do. We were playing hero, and now we uh should have not, because now our wives are gonna be like, why are there gunshot bullets?

SPEAKER_01 2:48

Why are there bullet holes in your own?

SPEAKER_02 2:50

If there wasn't domestic violence before this situation for them, there should be now. Yeah, they should be stepping on their balls and saying, You're you haven't been a good boy.

SPEAKER_01 3:00

It's like, I don't know if you looked around us, but everybody here is poor. We cannot afford to fix these cars.

SPEAKER_02 3:06

You should also be robbing the bank. That's what he should have said. Like, help us.

SPEAKER_01 3:09

Yeah. Hey, did you get any extra?

Old West Versus Neo-Western

SPEAKER_02 3:13

You can have some too. We can all win. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:16

Nobody has to die. So when it comes to westerns, do you prefer kind of like these new westerns, or do you prefer kind of uh regular westerns, like you know, Clint Eastwood type movies, or do you kind of like more modern era westerns?

SPEAKER_02 3:30

I don't know. I I feel like as far as westerns go, they've kind of done pretty good about staying within the uh the vein. Yeah. You know, like they don't play like contemporary country music, which is thank fucking god the hot topic, garbage. Like all because like all the music in this one, it is kind of western. It is, I guess, technically country.

SPEAKER_01 3:58

Yeah, it does have that country, it has like outlaw country. Outlaw.

SPEAKER_02 4:02

That's the good shit. Not this like drive big trucks and drink big beers and roads, yeah, cold beer, dog in the back. I just want to wear my boots, drive my trucks.

Politics Without Picking Sides

SPEAKER_01 4:12

And it's totally fine. Fuck my brother. It's totally fine if you like that music. It's just not something me and Jason Harry too. Yeah, I think uh we're definitely gonna end up doing some uh more westerns this year because I I'm kind of in a western. Hell yeah. I love Westerns. It's so good in Westerns. I know, and I just like I'm trying to I want to go through his career and pinpoint uh the point where he forgot how to talk. I think it's all true grit's fault. I don't know if you've ever seen the Cohen Brother movie True Grit where it's like, is he talking or is he just a mouthful of gravel? But it works. It's like he's the best worst talker ever. Um is this movie kind of a perfect modern-day litmus test? I feel like this movie for what? Like just your political like agenda and thoughts. Because if I'm using litmus test, worry. Because this movie I feel like makes no stance on whether it'd be like Republican or Democrat, but I feel like you could take either side by watching this movie.

SPEAKER_02 5:18

Yeah, I think you're right. They they don't um like because you have the It is just like big corporations versus the little guy they're trying to fuck over.

SPEAKER_01 5:30

Yeah, because for a Texas movie, it doesn't really uh like it's so anti, you know, corporations and stuff. Well banking. Banking. Obviously, very anti-banking and how they fuck you over. Yes. But then it's also like very like, yeah, we all have guns. But then at the same time, it's like these stupid people like guns and they almost got themselves. And then you have like at the very beginning, you have like three tours in Iraq and no bailout for someone like me. It's like graffitied on a wall. Yeah. And it's just like, and it's around 2008, so you could say they're saying something about Bush or they're saying something about Obama, or it's I love that. I kind of feel like it also kind of hates both of them.

SPEAKER_02 6:09

I know, they're kind of riding the fence. And I'll I really like that for some reason.

SPEAKER_01 6:13

Yeah, it's it fucking it kind of just is like it all fucking sucks, and we're ruled by banks and money. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 6:20

And I think that's a good way, that's a good place to stand.

SPEAKER_01 6:23

Yeah. And I haven't, and this was written by Taylor Sheridan, who did uh Sicario, Wind River, this movie, Yellowstone, Land Man, 1982, 1970, 500, Billion. I've never seen any of those. Uh yeah, me neither. And they're and those are very like um just based off where we live, the Republicans fucking love that those shows. And so I'm I'm assuming it's very it's like that. And some of the things that they tell me, I'm like, oh. But this movie doesn't better. But it's weird because I was like, all of like ty Taylor Sheridan's movies were kind of neutral. Like if you think of Sicario, it's like the that whole movie's like, it's wrong, but it's gotta be done. And but it's also very wrong. And then Wind River, uh, I won't get too much in that. I've only seen it once, it's pretty good, but uh there's like one scene that's amazing in it. Uh but and that's kind of how this movie is very neutral. And then I hear about his shows and I'm like, is he just like, hey, there's a market for like this very more like Republican thought.

SPEAKER_02 7:27

So it like leaned into it, or his values change, or and I saw a horse and didn't want it to die.

SPEAKER_01 7:34

Yeah. Well, at the gas station?

SPEAKER_02 7:35

Yeah. Hell yeah. The gas the horse needed smokes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:39

Growing up, like I'd we'd go to the one gas station and like people would some people would ride horses there. That's right. Like we rode horses there and stuff like that sometimes. Whenever we're out with that. Do they have like a little trough out front, like the old timey days? No, if someone had to stay out and hold the horses.

SPEAKER_02 7:54

Um, so our Wait. When they're like, hold your horses.

SPEAKER_01 8:07

Oh so the townspeople in this movie, smart or stupid?

SPEAKER_02 8:13

Dumb.

SPEAKER_01 8:14

Dumb.

SPEAKER_02 8:14

Although I do like the the waitress. Um which one?

SPEAKER_01 8:18

There's well, the There's two of them and one of Oh, the girl from uh she's in like a lot of yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh I can't remember her name either. Uh Eastbound and Down. Yes, yes, yes, yeah. All those shows, yeah. I love her. Yeah, she's always been great, yeah. What about the other waitress? Uh she sucked. No, it's like, you know, you might have to make more money if you had to.

SPEAKER_02 8:39

She always she looks like she's been through a lot.

SPEAKER_01 8:43

It's just like Do you think like the person that owns it?

SPEAKER_02 8:46

Was she white or black? You mean her soul or soul?

SPEAKER_01 8:51

So with like the waitress that talks about T-bones, do you think like the entire business like really hates her, but they're scared of her? They're like, we actually buy more than T-bone steaks, but she won't let us Yeah, I guess the one that that I talked about that wasn't a waitress at all.

SPEAKER_02 9:07

She just worked at the bank. Yeah. Yeah, my bad. Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:11

I guess we kind of already uh uh answered this, but would you risk your life to save banks money?

SPEAKER_02 9:15

Fuck no. Fuck no, not in a heartbeat. I would have been out the door. Yeah. Or at least on the ground. Yeah. My eyes closed.

SPEAKER_01 9:23

Can you even make like a a like kind of outlaw and cowboy modern day bank movie now? Like robbing banks? I mean, I feel like it's just impossible now to rob banks.

unknown 9:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:35

Unless you're the smartest person in the world. Like maybe 2008, you know, some people weren't going fully digital, so that's why they had the camera system.

SPEAKER_02 9:44

I think I think you can if you uh go heavy on the brute force. Just knock down the wall. Just blow up the wall. Blow up the wall of the safe and take the money. Don't worry about all the security stuff. Yeah. Because once you make an explosion that big, it's probably gonna knock out the cameras anyway.

SPEAKER_01 10:00

And I will say, like, I love bank robbing stories. Yeah. I love jewel thieves, I love all of it. They're my favorite types of movies and documentaries. It's great. Um yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:13

It's always based on like they always get away with it based on like one really silly thing. Like in this movie, how they just they've been replacing the cameras for a week.

SPEAKER_01 10:22

And like that's that's why like Toby's smart because he like, oh, we know that we can do this because they're not gonna be able to like see who we are. And then his brother, the old dummy. But oh Ben Foster, fucking great.

SPEAKER_02 10:36

But what and yeah, for sure. Oh man, I had a train. I literally saw you lose it. You saw it, you saw it.

SPEAKER_01 10:47

I'm like, wait, no. I could just see it in your eyes where you're like, fuck, please. Saw the train go out. While you were taught saying something else, I saw a leverhead.

SPEAKER_02 10:56

It just kind of leaks out. You gotta let the pressure valve open a little every once in a while.

Townsfolk, Waitresses, And Moral Lines

SPEAKER_01 11:01

You know something that really bums me out is that what happened to Chris Pine? Star Trek, man. He was crushing it during Star Trek. He came out with this movie, he crushed it in Wonder Woman, and then it's just like Maybe he's just I had enough, I've got enough money. Because he I was like, wait, this is probably the best, like in terms of acting, the best Chris. Because you know what Hemsworth, Pratt, Chris Pine, uh Evans. And it's just like, oh Chris Pine's the best actor, and then it's like, what is he doing now? Then you just you see him randomly in these bad movies, and it's like, okay, what happened to you?

SPEAKER_02 11:36

Um I mean, what's he been in that's that you say is bad? Um like recently. I don't really know. Let's see.

SPEAKER_01 11:46

Well um Well yeah, he's pretty man. Like when it comes up with like known for, it's all Star Trek.

SPEAKER_02 11:53

I love them in Star Trek. Like those are some of my like when I I started pirating them in the military. Those are some of my favorites.

SPEAKER_01 12:04

Well, it's just like literally, since like he's done like a shit ton of movies, but you just like you just don't hear any of them.

SPEAKER_02 12:12

It's like these weird, really Well, maybe that's what it is. Maybe he's trying to like scratch that artistic ish.

SPEAKER_01 12:19

He was in Dungeons and Dragons and he was pretty good in that.

SPEAKER_02 12:21

I like that one a lot. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:23

But he's done like 15 movies since this, since then, and like I don't know any of them.

SPEAKER_02 12:28

Yeah, maybe he's just trying to find himself.

SPEAKER_01 12:30

He's gonna better agent.

SPEAKER_02 12:32

For sure.

SPEAKER_01 12:32

That's what he needs to do.

SPEAKER_02 12:34

Uh listening, Chris, we know you are. You made that comment last night. You told us we were good.

SPEAKER_01 12:39

He's like, damn it, I'll uh you know, I was really supporting the small podcast, and now I've got a rip up.

SPEAKER_02 12:44

No, we're still supporting you.

SPEAKER_01 12:45

Yeah, we love you. Just want you to be in better movies. Um, so the phrase hell or high water, come hell or high water, typically means do whatever needs to be done no matter the circumstances. It also refers to the hell or high water clause in a contract, usually a lease, which states that the payments must continue regardless of any difficulties the paying party may encounter. Both definitions apply to different parts of the plot in the movie. Damn. I never heard of a hell or high water clause, and it's like, oh cool. I never knew where that came from. Yeah. So how how many weeks do you think Chris Pine was able to be on the set of this movie? For how much he's in it?

SPEAKER_02 13:25

That's difficult to say. I mean, it all it's all shot in desert Texas, right?

SPEAKER_01 13:31

So it's like if you think about it, most film shoots go for like a movie like this, maybe two to three months.

SPEAKER_02 13:38

Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

SPEAKER_01 13:39

He was on set for two and a half weeks. Hell yeah, and they got it done. Because he was like uh he due to his tight schedule with Star Trek Beyond, Chris Bine was only available for two and a half weeks, and all his scenes had to be shot very rapidly and in sequence to maintain the required level of energy. Fuck yeah, man. It's just wild. And like I guess um the scene with Jeff Bridges at the end was like the very last day of shooting, and it was like the only time that they saw each other at all during the movie.

Modern Bank Heists And Surveillance

SPEAKER_02 14:04

Really? Yeah, it is their only scene. Yeah, they're talking. He's like he's like chucking his watch, holding his shotgun. Like, come on, man.

SPEAKER_01 14:12

I got it's like, come on, we could you mumble this out a little faster?

SPEAKER_02 14:16

I have to go to infinity and beyond or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 14:20

I fucking love that Star Trek. That was like that's the one that has uh in the trailer. That was the one with the Beastie Boys song, Sabotage that was on the motor uh uh the uh dirt bike. And it's like, hell yeah. The movie is so good. People did not like that one that much.

SPEAKER_02 14:36

Really? Yeah. I think it's amazing, especially like right at the end, whenever they come through the out of warp and they're just firing all like fire everything.

SPEAKER_01 14:47

I fucking love that shit. That one was just by Justin Lynn, who did some of the best Fast and the Furious movies, which is why people were like, this is not Star Trek. Whatever. Star Trek's supposed to be smart, not vroom. It was so vroom, and I loved it. It's like I'm sorry, everything is just vroom now. If you had a smart franchise, if it comes back, it's not gonna be smart. Except for the planet of the apes movies.

unknown 15:10

We should do those.

SPEAKER_01 15:11

Yes, we should. So uh Toby offers his son a beer. Texas is one of ten states that allows underage minors to consume alcohol in specific locations, such as the privacy of home or in the presence of consenting and supervising family members.

SPEAKER_03 15:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:29

They just put put a blinder or like a blindfold on their eyes. Yeah. Okay, kids. You know what?

SPEAKER_01 15:36

Drink as much as you want, but I swear to God, if you get on Pornhub, I'm gonna kill you. Stay on the ranch. Hey kids, be an alcoholic. Yeah, it's fun. Don't do anything else, though. Everything else here is illegal. I don't know, Ravel Bank. Yeah. So in the scene involving the thugs at the gas station, as Tanner Howard, that was played by Ben Foster, notices his drink is a Mr. Pibb. He complains about wanting a Dr. Pepper. Dr. Pepper was invented in Waco, Texas, and most fans of the drink consider Mr. Pibb a poor attempt of copying a Dr. Pepper and usually refuse to drink it. It's fine. So in Texas, people are like, fuck Dr. Pibb. That's a really strange down. In Texas, we only drink Dr. Pepper, okay?

SPEAKER_02 16:22

Strange hill to die on, but whatever.

SPEAKER_01 16:24

You like you pour them a drink, they're like, oh, is this Dr. Pepper? No, it's Dr. Pibb. They pull out a gun. Give me a Dr. Pepper. I want to see his medical access. And I want you to I want you to bring it out on a horse.

SPEAKER_02 16:40

That would be great. Like the little robots that deliver your food sometimes. Oh, though. Little cat robots? Oh.

SPEAKER_01 16:48

I was saying they have Savo, Wayo, whatever they are. California. So uh before any character is introduced, the grading uh poverty of West Texas is established by a piece of graffiti on the wall near where Elsie, the woman who opens the bank uh branch, robbed by the protagonists, parks her car. It reads three tours in Iraq, but no bailout for people like us, making a reference to the enormous financial bailout the United States federal government provided to buoy the banking industry, the big three motor vehicle manufacturers, as well as other examples of critical industries deemed too big to fail and costing the taxpayer trillions of dollars following the financial crisis of 2007-2008. Yeah, that's that was a hard time. Yeah. I remember that. For rich people, I guess.

SPEAKER_02 17:36

For everybody. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:37

Because I remember when didn't like they gave like stimulus checks and they were like$800. And it was like, this is gonna fix everything. Yeah. Everybody save the money, didn't you? We sure did.

SPEAKER_02 17:50

Nobody went out and bought a big screen TV.

SPEAKER_01 17:53

Um, this last little note for my wife here, because uh she loved the miniseries. Screenwriter Taylor Sheridan drew much of his inspiration from the TV miniseries Lonesome Dove, having earlier read Larry McMurdy's 1985 Pulture Prize winning novel, of which the series was based. Never seen it.

SPEAKER_02 18:11

Never seen it either.

SPEAKER_01 18:12

Got Robert Eval in it, though.

SPEAKER_02 18:13

Yeah, I've always I've heard um lots of people say it's very good. And it's very uh someone made a comment to me about the show. How it's they take a more realistic view on being alone in the wilderness, like out in the desert. And turning into a dove. Yeah, and lonesome dove. Like they uh whenever you're sitting at a fire, you don't look at the you don't sit with your face facing the fire, you sit with your back turned to it because the light will ruin your darkness. Night vision, yeah. And then you can't see engines. Engines.

SPEAKER_01 18:51

Uh a lot of my favorite acting in this movie is when Jeff Bridges says something racist and uh Alberto is just like That's really fun.

SPEAKER_02 19:00

I'll fucking kill you. He is the per but he's the perfect punching bag. I swear. Alberto, yeah, because he just like won't say anything.

SPEAKER_01 19:06

He's like, well, I'm in Texas, I can't say anything.

Graffiti, Bailouts, And Outlaw Country

SPEAKER_02 19:08

But he's also like super duper crazy Christian. Yeah, and he's like very nice person, yeah. He's watching like what is his name, Clint Copeland or whatever. Oh, is that what is that who the preacher on the TV evangelist God is? So horrible. And Jeff Bridges is right, he wouldn't know God if crawling.

SPEAKER_01 19:31

One of the best uh names for a penis, packer.

SPEAKER_02 19:35

When he's when they're playing, he's like, turn something on, and he turns on like soccer. No, he turns on no when he's uh with the green, he says turn on music in the car and he turns on like the Christian.

SPEAKER_01 19:46

He's like, oh come on, you gotta do something better than this.

SPEAKER_02 19:50

It's so good. He deserved every punch Jeff Bridges gave.

SPEAKER_01 19:57

No. Um, all right, we're gonna hop into the plot, but before we do, we want you to think, what is the point? What is this movie trying to say? And if you have any ideas, over in the link in the description, you can click it and text us just from your phone. Or go to the very bottom of the description and go to we recommend mailbag at gmail.com and send us some, you know, fan mail and tell us what the point is. Um, and we're gonna do it at the end of the plot. So let's get into it. Heller High Water, 2016, Oscar nominated Best Picture of Award. Yeah, I would choose the High Water too. So in West Texas, divorced father Toby and his ex-com brother Tanner carry out an early morning robberies of two branches of Texas Midlands Bank. At the first branch in Archer City, they attack the bank when the teller Elsie opens the doors for the first time in the morning. This is where you get the little great little pan to start the movie. You see the car come in, you see the uh Toby and Tanner's car come in. It's this panic shot. You get the three tours thing, and you're just like, I know what we're doing, I know where we're at, I fucking love this. Let's go. Um, then they so like they go in, she's like, give us the money. She's all like, this ain't serious, and then it's like, and then says something, calls uh Tanner stupid, and he's like, What'd you fucking say to me? And it's like she's like, Oh, they might kill me. But they have no money, so they have to wait for the bank manager to get there. Uh uh, so has the keys of the safe, which carries all the cash. Um, so he comes in, he like hits them in the face with a gun. Yeah, like when they leave, Toby's like, You didn't have to hit them.

SPEAKER_02 21:36

Yeah, but that's the best part. Tanner's like, uh, you've seen my eyes.

SPEAKER_01 21:41

I'm kind of a crazy person. So then they travel to the only branch, and Tanner pulls a gun on the teller to empty the cash counters. They take only small bills and avoid the 50s and the hundreds, no bundles, as they have uh ink packs in them, only loose cash. Uh there's an Old man in there is like, you robbing this place? You ain't Mexican. It's just like they're all racist.

SPEAKER_02 22:08

What if he was stopped with like, hey man, that's racist. Anyone can rob a bank.

Bridges, Banter, And Racist Ribbing

SPEAKER_01 22:13

Yeah, come on, man. Now give me your gun.

SPEAKER_02 22:16

I'd kind of be excited if I was there when a bank was being robbed. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:20

I'd be like, oh yeah. I'll be like, yeah, I'll get down. Hey, slip me a couple.

SPEAKER_00 22:26

Just like, oh, so cool.

SPEAKER_01 22:29

Yeah. Um, and so then after they rob the bank, they leave, and then the old man uh they take his gun, but they just put it on the counter. It's like, no, take it and put it outside. Then he can't, you know, run out because he's older and shoot you. But the old man's like, Well, I ain't taking none of this. I'm just gonna shoot wildly in the streets. Smart.

SPEAKER_02 22:51

Yeah, but he's that's the first time he's brought it to work and it actually got the chance to fire it. Yeah, he's like, Oh, I can do this for it.

SPEAKER_01 22:58

So though the robberies are well planned, Tanner's wild nature leads to him taking unnecessary risks, frustrating Toby. Toby insists that they should hit the banks early in the morning when they are empty. The brothers bury the car used on the first day after the two robberies are done in a huge hole in the ground on the ranch. That's awesome. Yeah. That looks really cool. Love that. It's like, so do those cars just stay there forever, or are they gonna be like, all right, after a while we'll take them back out and use them again?

SPEAKER_02 23:22

No, I don't think they're gone.

SPEAKER_01 23:24

So we meet two Texas Rangers, Marcus Hamilton and Alberto Parker, are on the case. Hamilton is close to retirement, and Alberto will not stop reminding him throughout the film. Uh we learn that Tanner was in jail while Toby looked after their sick mother due to the medical expenses. The ranch went into debt and despair. They discuss uh their they discuss their mother uh's will, which wasn't left to Tanner. He says she didn't like him because he killed their dad for beating them, and that's why he was in jail. It's like, well, they might do it. Good on Tanner. Yeah, and it's funny because this is um because I feel like Sinners was also very much kind of like, hey, bank robbers got abusive dad, and then one of them killed him, and their brothers, and then there's this movie bank robbers, abusive dad, one killed him. And I think uh but the ones that killed the the the opposite ones die in the teacher map. So I don't know, I just I just feel like it's a very like old-timey thing where bank robbers and we had to kill our dad because he hit us. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:30

Got to.

Plot Deep Dive: Robberies Begin

SPEAKER_01 24:30

Got to. Um, so Hamilton and Alberto go to the crime scenes. Hamilton quickly determines the brothers' methods and personalities. Since the amount involved is too small, a few thousand dollars, and the Texas Midland has no branches outside of Texas, the FBI are not looking to get involved in the case. Hamilton determines that the criminals are after a predetermined amount they are trying to raise, and it will take them a few branches to get there. Love it. Yeah. It's the classic, ah, this guy doesn't look very smart. And then he's just like, I got age, I got experience.

SPEAKER_02 25:02

He's pinned them down on the five seconds.

SPEAKER_01 25:04

Yeah, it's just like, oh well, this is pretty easy. I've seen this a thousand times.

SPEAKER_02 25:08

That was really funny. He's like, maybe it was tweakers. Yeah. He's like, nah, tweakers don't sweep. They just tweak.

SPEAKER_01 25:15

Tweakers don't tweak. I can't even do it. I can't. Well, I don't know. I go like way too, I go like SIVO about it.

SPEAKER_02 25:23

Do you think there's a certain age in Texas where you're handed a white hat and that's when you're a real Texan? Yeah. Like you get graduation at like a big thing.

SPEAKER_01 25:30

When you're taking your baby pictures.

SPEAKER_02 25:34

You get a white hat and a gun, and you're ready to go. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:37

I remember like I have some like uh not baby pictures, but like, I don't know, relatively young, and like all of them are like little button-up you know, shirts with cowboy boots and blue jeans. Why a cowboy hat? No, no cowboy hats, yeah. Though when I was younger, I loved cowboy hats and still do, but I think you look silly in them when you wear them, so I don't wear them.

SPEAKER_02 25:57

Not in Texas.

SPEAKER_01 25:58

It's like anytime you see someone wearing a cowboy hat, you're like, they think something about themselves. They are too confident and too bold for me.

SPEAKER_02 26:06

Do you think they're trying to say something about white hats of people who kind of like run everything? Oh.

SPEAKER_01 26:12

Um, I think people that wear them, no.

SPEAKER_02 26:14

Well, I mean, in the movie. Oh no, no.

SPEAKER_01 26:19

You just meant like in general. Um, I think it's honestly just a sign of uh white hat, good guy.

SPEAKER_03 26:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:25

Uh bank robbers all wear black, bad guys. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 26:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:29

Oh, pure. It's very classic Western, right?

SPEAKER_02 26:32

The outlaws are wearing black and then you got the the the white cowboy in Reno 911 when he gets his white cowboy boots.

SPEAKER_01 26:41

Anybody notice anything different today? Shorts, shorts. We watch a lot of uh celebrity squares, Hollywood squares, I mean. Yeah, yeah. Uh he's on a lot of them. Is Wendy Goldberg still no? The center square is Drew Barrymore, and she is fabulous because how can you not like Drew Barrymore?

SPEAKER_02 27:01

Oh, that's sweet. Um she did cross the line, the picket line at the uh the SAG protest, though.

SPEAKER_01 27:08

Or like the uh Can you let me have one still? Just let me have the screw Barrymore, okay? She's in Screaming Eatsy. They're like the best movies ever made. Um also if I had to choose cowboy hats, it'd always be like the straw ones. Those are my favorite. Just wanted to say that for no reason. So Toby lost his wife to divorce along with his two sons. During this period, Toby has not seen his own sons for over a year now. Tanner says he should go see them, but Toby's wife doesn't want to see him because of child support. Tanner says he has to go poop. Because this is when they're in a restaurant, and this is when the waitress comes up. Um, so meanwhile, Tanner robs another bank. Not a really cute.

SPEAKER_02 27:51

Might rob a bank. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 27:54

This one's not a Texas Midland branch. Uh, while Toby unknowingly waits at a nearby diner where he chats with a waitress, Ginny Ann. Toby leaves$200 for the waitress. Toby's livered with Tanner and has to bury his his this car as well. They take a Cadillac that was stored at the ranch. I love it because it's just like he goes right, start the cars. Just like money all in a shirt. It's all flying out. He's like, You put us a day behind. It's like, Bo, I got an extra bank. But if they didn't do this, they would have never known who the two people were. And they would have probably been safe the whole time. God damn it, Tanner. Way to go, bro.

SPEAKER_02 28:31

But I do like that the waitress was like on his side the whole time. Yeah. He's ride or die.

SPEAKER_01 28:36

Well, I think it's this. There was um, I always feel like there's movies like this where there's thieves, um, even including the movie called Thief, where they're like robbers and stuff, but it's always like the waitress, you know, who only lives off tips, and it's like, I understand you're struggling, and we just need fucking money. But I always feel like there's always like a waitress on like the robber side, and it's it's kind of funny. Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_02 29:01

I wouldn't have said shit. Yeah, I know, right? It's like and they still took her tips for evidence. I love that part where she's like, oh, hell no. Like, fuck you guys.

SPEAKER_01 29:13

Couldn't they just give her some replacements? Like, yeah, you give me$200, I'll let you have this$200. Oh, hell yeah. It's 'cause I mean, like at that point, there's you're just stealing from her. You're gonna hold it for you months, maybe years. Yeah, for what? Be like, yep, that's money.

SPEAKER_02 29:28

You could just take a picture of it and get the serial code number, be like, and then just give it back.

Rangers Read The Pattern

SPEAKER_01 29:32

It's like, what's the point of it? Yeah. So Hamilton and Albert get the call about the other bank. They discuss retirement. Hamilton doesn't want to retire because he doesn't want to just sit around all day while Alberto wants to live on a boat fishing. Hamilton picks up, picks at Alberto for being Native American. We see a field fire where cattlemen are moving cattle through. Um, and there's a very this whole movie is constantly just kind of pushing down how much it fucking sucks to live in West Texas. Yeah. Right. And like how, like, because the economy is so poor, everything sucks. And there's this one scene with the cattlemen where it's like everything's on fire, they're trying to like get their cattle through, and it's like, I no wonder my kids don't want to take after the family business. And it's like, well, yeah, why would anyone want to do this? Right.

SPEAKER_02 30:17

I will tell you one thing about West Texas that's cool. I live yellow there for a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 30:21

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_02 30:22

I've never been in Texas. No mosquitoes.

unknown 30:25

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 30:27

Yeah, because there's it's just like dry ass heat, and that's something mosquitoes do not like dry.

SPEAKER_02 30:32

It's all death and sand.

SPEAKER_01 30:34

But here in Tennessee, man, mosquitoes will rob you blind. Just turn around, there's a bunch of mosquitoes swarming to form a human body with a gun. It's like, give me your money and then I'm gonna take out your blood. Seriously, mosquitoes are terrible. It's like after as soon as it gets like the spring showers come and it's warm enough, it's just like, can't go outside. Yep. Can't go outside anymore. And you're like, put on book spray. How much? All of it. Do I want to smell like that all day? No. It's deep. Ugh. Seriously, I hate going outside during the summer because of it. It's miserable. I'm like, I don't remember it being this bad growing up. We let, oh, it's because they built on swamplands.

SPEAKER_02 31:18

Yeah, cover your your entire yard with kitty litter. Dry it all up.

SPEAKER_01 31:23

Okay. That's uh how much will that cost? So Toby and Tanner go to Tanner's place. Tanner grabs a bunch of guns. Hell yeah. Hamilton interviews the teller, Natalie, where they find out only one person robbed the bank, but they know they came from the burger joint where the real piece of shit car was parked.

SPEAKER_02 31:43

Oh, that was that a Saturn? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:45

I think it was.

SPEAKER_02 31:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:46

It's like, what type of car? It's like, was it a good car, a real piece of shit car? She like, she kind of smiles real shit. And it's like, I love it. Cause it's like this, you know, because that once he says a real piece of shit car, it makes her smile, and then everyone's kind of smiling and it's like makes her comfortable and willing to talk. Oh, what a nice car.

SPEAKER_02 32:03

I love Jeff Vergens. Yeah, I know it's a good one. I wonder if he hugged her afterwards.

SPEAKER_01 32:07

Oh, I would. I would hug this dude. Um, and luckily this bank has video of the robbery because we figure out that the Midlands bank were all in the process of getting video surveillance.

SPEAKER_02 32:22

We've got yeah, I feel like, of course we've got video. Hell, we've got video, we've got cameras in the bathroom. Fuck yeah, man.

SPEAKER_01 32:29

Yeah. It's just like, oh good. Cameras. So Hamilton goes to interview the waitress. At first, he talks to some cowpokes, though, that they say they think that the two men eating there robbed the same bank that's been robbing them from the robbing them for years.

SPEAKER_02 32:45

There's a big sentiment of us Us pores gotta stick together.

SPEAKER_01 32:50

It's kind of like there's this like because you know, later we'll see some people trying to protect the bank, and then you got these people who are like, fuck that bank, it's been robbing me for years.

SPEAKER_02 33:00

They know what's up. It kind of has like both mindsets, and it's it's like some everybody kind of knows who the enemy, the real enemy is, but nobody wants to say it. And they're because there's nothing you can do about it. And then in the big, like in the big bank, you know, I guess it's more commercial.

Casino Laundering And Comanche Line

SPEAKER_01 33:16

Yeah. I don't know. Um, so when he tries to get uh the 200 from the waitress, she refuses because it's half her mortgage and is keeping a roof over her daughter's. Um and because of the video surveillance, they know that it's gonna be the two the two men, but they don't have their face.

SPEAKER_02 33:34

Yeah, could you imagine being able to pay your mortgage with a minimum wage job? Working on tips.

SPEAKER_01 33:40

A waitress isn't even with a minimum wage. It's just like and especially being a and like just imagining small town, everything's kind of run down around you, you get$200 tip, it's like shit, I'll never see this again. Kind of so the brothers take the stolen money to an Indian casino in Oklahoma to be laundered, but before they uh but before they beat up some douchebag at a gas station, yeah. It's like he's just like sitting there looking out the windows, the two guys pulls up and he's like, What are you looking at? It's like, well, why did you park right next to him where he was looking in the first place, you idiot? He hates when people look at him. And then it's like it's like, once I've done with you, you think there were ten of me or something like that, which is apparently a line that uh um Taylor Sheridan used in Yellowstone too, apparently. I don't know. If you've if you've watched Yellowstone, you might know.

SPEAKER_02 34:35

I just I love the idea of driving around so angry in a lime green car hitting it when people look at you.

SPEAKER_01 34:43

It's like, all right, dude, you're playing your music as loud as possible. You have a car that you want people to look at you in.

SPEAKER_02 34:49

Everything is screaving, look at me.

SPEAKER_01 34:51

It's like he's just mad because of an old woman. But yeah, and then he's like about he pulls out a gun, he's like, What do you think about this? And like kind of taps it on the car. I'm like, why would you tap it on that car? It's probably like your scratch the paint. It's literally your whole personality. It's like car. And then he gets out, and then you know, Chris Pine comes out and beats the shit out of him and he's gonna go beat up the other guy. He's like, Whoa, whoa, I didn't do anything.

SPEAKER_02 35:14

It's like he deserved it.

SPEAKER_01 35:15

I'm with you. That's what I would say, also. So at the uh casino, they exchanged the stolen bills for chips, some of which Tanner used to gamble and seemed to be doing very well. And uh I love it whenever he like goes to hand in the money for chips, like the the girls just kind of look at him. He's like, I just sold a car and this is how they paid me. He's like, Hey, we'll take care of how you got it. Yeah, they won't.

SPEAKER_02 35:42

You don't have to say, Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:43

Um, and then while Tanner is at the table, um, he's there's like this uh Native American there, and he's just kind of staring at him and it's like, What are you, Comanche? And he's like, Yeah. Um, and then so like he's like he essentially insults him and then he's gonna walk away. And this is probably like one of those things where I'm like, ugh, you can tell a white guy wrote this and thought he was so cool. Um, so the guy's name's Bear, he gets up and blocks his path. He's like, Do you know what Comanche means? It means enemies forever. Tanner, enemies with who? Bear, everyone. Tanner, you know what that makes me? Bear an enemy. No, it makes me a Comanche. And it's just like I get it. And it's gonna work at the end whenever he says that he's like a Comanche, but it's still also this like, oh, he's like, I guess it was supposed to, for the script, it was supposed to make him seem like, oh, it's like everyone's the same. Essentially, we are all just like enemies, but then it's like at the same time, it's like this casino is on stolen land because you know we stole all their stuff. Well, I guess it's Indian casino, but it's like all we gave them. It's like here, have casinos.

SPEAKER_02 36:44

And like growing up in like a mostly white town in Tennessee, uh White County, you grow up with people who are just love to say that they're they're part in like whatever Native American tribe, and you're like, Oh, you're not, man. It doesn't fucking matter. Maybe way a few generations back.

Stakes Rise: Packed Bank, Chaos

SPEAKER_01 37:09

Well, you could probably say that, but not now. I know it's a very it's a very like Southern thing where we we have this fascination with like cowboys and things like that, and cowboys on TV, and they're constantly kind of like, you know, gave this horrible representation or of Native Americans, and then but also at the same time, you know, most of us. At some point we all most of us have like that live in the South, like there's a like a lot of uh Native American blood, like in my family. And like you go like a just a couple generations, you're like, yeah, I can tell. And especially with like my uh some of my like uh not grandfather. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 37:51

I don't know what you would call him, but like you see him, you're like, oh, you can definitely see it in them, especially with like the hair and I saw an really picture of of me of uh one of my ancestors, and he has this he was obviously Native American and he's got like the same forehead as I do, the like the eye, like the eyebrow, and like we look exactly the same, but he's Native American. But like when you make that your identity, nobody fucking cares.

SPEAKER_01 38:19

Yeah. But it's also it's just like with a lot of Southerners, it's like they want their cake and to eat it too, which I guess is kind of what this movie's trying to say. I guess uh in a lot of aspects, because you know, it's like, well, if you really like had sympathy for Native Americans and you're like, oh, I have this inside me, you should be upset when they try to make I don't know a pipeline.

SPEAKER_02 38:37

Yeah, it should be part of your culture and you should try to protect them and then not just saying, hey, these people need to just let us build gas everywhere.

SPEAKER_01 38:46

Right. So it's kind of like, you know, think about what you're saying and how you're acting, right? Which we don't like to do that anymore. So while at a casino, a prostitute tries to work Toby, but Tanner intervenes and chases her off by sticking a poker chip in her uh vagina, I guess is what he was doing.

SPEAKER_02 39:05

And it's like damn, Tanner, you suck.

SPEAKER_01 39:09

Toby then has the casino convert them into a check made out to Texas Midlands Bank, which is hilarious and great. Same bank they robbed with untraceable funds and gambling as cover for how they were acquired. They stay at a hotel, um, and they go to like the front, and there's like this uh, I guess she's a clerk there. And so Tanner's like, we would be obliged if you would provide uh accommodations through we failed to call ahead. Clerk, boy, you are troubled. Tanner, oh, the worst kind, darling. Your last days in the nursing home, you'll be thinking of me in Giggle. Yeah. And I love it because like whenever he he's like Caesar, he's like like smooth back in his hair.

SPEAKER_02 39:49

She's like, Oh, you are troubled. Yeah. Dang, I'm gonna bang you later.

SPEAKER_01 39:53

Yeah, I hope you're brothers in the room next to us. He's a lawyer. I will say, like, Tanner is they do a great job with his character of knowing that he's a piece of shit, but also Ben Foster is so charismatic and such a great actor that you're like, why am I rooting for this shitty person?

unknown 40:14

Right.

SPEAKER_02 40:14

Well, he's kind of doing the all for the right reasons. I mean, yeah, for his brother, right? Yeah, and his for his and his nephews.

SPEAKER_01 40:20

There's there's a like the class it's a classic character trope of like, I've been in jail, I've screwed up my life, um, but I don't want to do it to my brother, so I have to help him type of situation, yeah. So Hamilton and and Alberto stay at a hotel where the the nearby bank was robbed. They watch TV preachers. Marcus, this um bitch, he wouldn't know God if you crawled up his pant leg and bit him on the pecker. Some meeting.

SPEAKER_02 40:49

Suck it, Clinton Copeland.

Posse Pursuit And Tragedy

SPEAKER_01 40:50

Yeah. Alberto is getting tired of Hamilton's racist remarks after they turn on soccer because Alberto is half Mexican. Hamilton says in three years' time you'll miss me in my remarks after you're standing over my grave. Alberto is pissed, tells him to leave in a nice way. We cut to Tanner having sex with Clerk while in a hotel room with Toby in there. Yeah. He's got his jacket over his head. It's like, come on, just can you like, hey, Clerk, get yourself a different room, okay? I know there's probably like 500 rooms in here not taken. Like, y'all can't just go there since you work here.

SPEAKER_02 41:24

Yeah. Uh, and they have a bunch of money. They could have just rented another room.

SPEAKER_01 41:28

Yeah, I know, right?

SPEAKER_02 41:30

So you don't have to put up with this. Yeah, right. He is your brother. You can say no.

SPEAKER_01 41:35

It's just to show like how wild Tanner is.

SPEAKER_02 41:38

He's living.

SPEAKER_01 41:38

And make you feel worse for Toby.

SPEAKER_02 41:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:42

So it is revealed that the brother's mother.

SPEAKER_02 41:44

Wouldn't it have been worse though if he was on his like his elbow lean over, like watching him? It's like, yeah, just like pulling his pants down. How's it going, bro?

SPEAKER_01 41:52

Great form. Can't wait to see the dismount. Oh no. So it is revealed that the brother's mother died recently, leaving their ranch in debt due to reverse mortgage provided by the Texas Midlands Bank. The debt is not paid off by Friday. The ranch will be foreclosed. Toby is determined to pay off the mortgage to ensure a comfortable life for his estranged sons because oil has been recently discovered on their land. They robbed Texas Midlands as a form of frontier justice. The brothers need$43,000 to pay off the reverse mortgage and the taxes, which the bank has paid. Their lawyer tells them that the bank swindled their mother by paying her only$25,000 on the reverse mortgage and keeping the entire land as a lien against the loan. Lawyer also tells them that to really cover their tracks, they should get Texas Midlands Bank to handle the trust funds. The boys use the loose cash from the skin C No to purchase another car for their last set of robberies. Love it. It's like we'll get there later. But I really do like this lawyer because you know when you think of lawyers, you also kind of think of them being kind of scummy. You know? It's like you gotta pay them a lot of money. Yeah. He's just because like they don't trust some and they're like, why do you why are you even willing to help us? And it's like they fucked over your mom. Yeah. And we like I want them to pay.

SPEAKER_02 43:09

It's like Mr. Incredible from the the Incredible movies when he's an insurance salesman. He's trying to help the old lady, like find all the loopholes. Yeah. Love that. That's a real hero. He would be fired easily. Well, he was, and then he punched his boss through a wall. Like six walls.

SPEAKER_01 43:29

So uh Toby goes to visit his wife and pay the money he owes her. He tells her that he is putting the farm in a trust for the boys. She's like, Great, now it's gonna ruin their lives.

SPEAKER_02 43:40

Trust, bruv. It trusts, bruv.

SPEAKER_01 43:43

When one of the boys walks in, he doesn't say anything and rushes out. Toby brings him a beer and talks. He tells him that he may be hearing some things about him and Tanner and to believe what he hears and to not be like them. And then he's like, Are you not gonna drink your beer? He's like, You just told me to not be like you. Now you're asking me if I'm gonna drink a beer. And he's like, you passed my test. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 44:05

Young Padawan.

Sniper’s End And Rattlesnake Image

SPEAKER_01 44:08

So Hamilton and Alberto are gonna stake out another bank and do it at a restaurant with the worst waiter ever. It's like, what don't you want? It's like, I'm sorry. What are you talking about? You make one thing here. Well, we only make one thing, and it's T-bone steaks, and it comes with a baked potato. Now you don't want green beans, don't want whatever. It's like everybody's like, we don't want green beans. Like, all right, you're gonna take an ice tea. Do you want iced tea? It's like, yes. I guess. And they're like, well, we don't have to worry about anybody robbing this place.

SPEAKER_02 44:41

It was also like, we could all right, two steaks, medium rare. And the guy spoke up, he's like, I don't care. Yeah. Like, it's all medium rare here. Yeah. I love green beans, though.

SPEAKER_01 44:52

Yeah, me too. They're cooked right. So I I I can't, like, my wife makes great green beans, but whenever I make green beans, it's just like, wow, I could have not made them any blander.

SPEAKER_02 45:05

You gotta put like a whole hand bone in there. Yeah, though. Boil them in there.

SPEAKER_01 45:09

Stick of butter in it, too. Yes. So, um, and then they kind of sit outside and talk, and this is probably kind of like the best little piece of dialogue in the whole movie. Do you want to live here? Got an old hardware store that charges twice what Home Depot does? One restaurant with a rattlesnake for a waitress. I mean, how's someone supposed to make a living here? Marcus, people have made their a living here for 150 years. Alberto. Well, people lived in caves for 150,000 years. They don't do it no more. Hell yeah. Marcus, uh, well, maybe your people did. Alberto, your people did too. A long time ago, your ancestors were the were the Indians until someone came along and killed them, broke them down, made you into one of them. 150 years ago, all this was my ancestors' land. Everything you could see, everything you saw yesterday, until the grandparents of these folks took it. Now it's been taken from them. Except it ain't no army doing it. It's those sons of bitches right there, points at the Texas Midland Bank.

SPEAKER_02 46:04

Yeah, everyone hates the bank. Fuck you, bank.

SPEAKER_01 46:08

It's just like, you know, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 46:11

It was like you just caught Cox's guy, like, let's go. Let's rob them too.

Laundered Check And Oil Money

SPEAKER_01 46:16

I gotta change your heart. The boys talk about women a little and then they hang out drinking and fighting. These are like some of my favorite parts of the movie. I'm so worked up right now. Is like this very, very western-esque where they're just like people looking out at the vista. And there's nothing kind of like makes me happier and then also kind of really sad while watching this movie is when they kind of start play fighting, and especially seeing the movie, it's like they had a better living, and if they had a little bit more money, these could just be two perfectly normal people. But because of you know, the financial crisis, Tanner ends up being like a lunatic, and Toby's extremely depressed and has to do some violent things. Oh yeah. Um, so it's it's very sweet though. Alberto retires to a hotel across from the bank while Hamilton sleeps outside on a bench. The boys wake up and head to the final two banks they are gonna rob. The first bank they go is closed and they have to leave. Tanner says they have to hit a place called the Post. I guess it's a place in Texas called the Posts where they have a bank. Um I had to look at it. I was like, what are we talking about? The post.

SPEAKER_02 47:22

Every small town in the 1600s.

SPEAKER_01 47:25

It's probably more named, it's probably like most fence posts in Texas. I love that for them. Um so uh, and it's because one of the banks that they are going to won't have enough money um because one of the banks they're gonna rob is completely closed. So they have to go to the post, uh, which is a little bit bigger town than they wanted to hit. So Hamilton and Hamilton and Alberto talk. Hamilton figures a pattern to the robberies determines that their next target, he figures that the only bank they have left to hit is in the post because it's a small enough town versus the other banks are in bigger towns. And I love it because this is um, you know, like all the playful, playful banter that uh Hamilton had towards Alberto. So Alberto already has this like very like you know, aggressive like way he's gonna talk to Hamilton. And then like, but Hamilton's like, actually you know what we're doing here, I actually know what's gonna happen. And then but Alberto keeps kind of interrupting him.

SPEAKER_00 48:22

He's like, God dang it, just let me finish talking.

SPEAKER_01 48:26

I don't know. It's so great. It's just well, it's just funny. It's like, well, Hamilton, you kind of you made this relationship this way. So Hamilton and Parker are en route when the final robbery indeed occurs there. And then like they get the call and they're like, Hell yeah, I told you I knew what I was talking about. Turn off the music.

SPEAKER_00 48:45

Jesus is Lord.

SPEAKER_02 48:52

It was what was that movie we did? Um not the Fall Guys, but the uh the other the other guys? Yeah, the guys, yeah. Yeah, they did this kind of the same thing. Yeah. I love that shit.

SPEAKER_01 49:05

Yeah. Yeah, because then he plays in as just like careless whispers of me like that playing.

SPEAKER_00 49:12

I don't even want to love again.

SPEAKER_01 49:16

Man, I fucking love that song. Um, so yeah, and press for time, the brothers proceed with the heist, even though the bank is full of customers. Love it when they walk in because this whole time the bank robbery has been kind of fun. It's been like, hell yeah, let's go. Nothing bad's gonna happen. There's like nobody in these banks. Immediately you walk in, there's so many people, and then it shows up like Chris Pine's eyes are as fucking huge as wide as possible, immediately very tense. And the rest of the movie is like that. And it's great, it's just great storytelling. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 49:48

He walks in with both guns drawn, he doesn't say a fucking word. He's like looking around, like, uh-oh.

Final Porch Standoff: What’s The Point

SPEAKER_01 49:53

I think we've immediately made a bad choice here. Um, so a shootout ensues when a security guard and an armed civil uh civilian fire at their brothers, and Tanner kills the guard and the civilian, but Toby is shot in the hip. Um, and I love that it gets like duck tape and wraps it around him. Here's the thing hey, civilian, who cares?

SPEAKER_02 50:15

Yeah. They must have had like signs in the bank, like, or they maybe they should have warning signs, don't be a hero.

SPEAKER_01 50:21

Yeah, don't. I guess that's like kind of the whole thing in Texas, though. It's like I have my gun because if something goes down, I'm prepared. But it's like, you don't have to be. No. You weren't in danger.

SPEAKER_02 50:31

They said they weren't gonna hurt you.

SPEAKER_01 50:32

Yeah. Just let them take the money, man. It doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_02 50:36

Yeah, business as usual. Well, like as soon as they're gone, you'll be able to get away. Yeah, you'll be able to get your stuff.

SPEAKER_01 50:42

It's all right. You don't have to do shit. But if you shoot and kill them, you're not gonna be able to use that bank because it's gonna be a crime scene for a while. And I guess it's already gonna be a crime scene, so he's making his money. For sure. But um, and then yeah, when they go outside, it's just a bunch of people shooting, and that's how it's gonna be. Yeah, the whole fucking town comes after them. And you know what this is? This is exactly, I know and brought it up before, but like getting mugged, and everybody's like, if I was there, I would have done this. And then like this is what happens to people who try to do that. They get shot and die. Yeah, it sucks. Right in the head.

SPEAKER_02 51:11

There's no there's no reason. You don't have to do anything.

SPEAKER_01 51:14

Just give them what they want, let them walk away, and call the cops. Except in this case, my stuff was not given to me back. I had to pay money for all this shit. Oh, that yeah, that's I'm like, but if it's the bank, screw them. So the brothers race out of town town with a posse of armed townspeople in hot pursuit. After gaining some distance, Tanner stops and fires an automatic rifle at the posse, forcing them to retreat.

SPEAKER_02 51:35

Yeah, they're like, this ain't fun no more. Let's get out of here. Yeah, put it in.

SPEAKER_01 51:40

Let's go beat our wives. Not always fun playing cowboy. Now they gotta explain to their wife why they have bullet holes in the car. It's like, oh, our engine's dead and now we're leaking oil. Um, my side piece was shooting at me. Dang, I guess uh I'll have to get a bunch more tips now, son.

SPEAKER_02 51:58

Well, you know how it is. Bullets are everywhere in Texas. Yeah. Flying around in cars.

SPEAKER_01 52:03

Uh so the brothers then split with Toby taking the money using another vehicle while Tanner creates a diversion. Tanner tells Toby that he loves him and then to go fuck himself. Yes, I love the. It's like Tanner can't. It's like, ah, I don't want to be too gay. Let me fuck yourself up. But it's also like one of those, like, it's they had their nice moment. They said they love each other, and it's like, what's the last thing that these two brothers would want to do to each other? Make himself laugh. And it's like, wow, we had that one memory where he made himself laugh and then he got shot in the head by a country guy. So he draws a lawman off the trail to a desert mountain ridge where he blows the car up with some gasoline. Fucking awesome. But before letting the car just like back up into a cockpit is great. Vehicle born IED. The biggest Molotov collect.

SPEAKER_02 52:51

Yeah. It looked like a whole like can of gas or something.

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SPEAKER_01 52:54

Yeah, he's like poured it all over the place and then he lights it up. I'm like, I'm pretty sure that whole car just went up in flames right there. Cause you got gas everywhere.

SPEAKER_02 53:02

I know, like for like in reality, it probably would just want to just went burn and maybe then another like Yeah, because aren't you supposed to like not let the bottom get wet?

SPEAKER_01 53:16

Like a little piece of it's not supposed to be wet, otherwise, because it'll immediately engulf and go straight into it, right? Sure.

SPEAKER_00 53:23

If you know, send us some fan mail if you've thrown them all at up call tell me.

SPEAKER_02 53:29

Don't know much about them.

SPEAKER_01 53:31

Yeah, so he takes shots with a sniper rifle and killing Parker or Alberto, which is damn, right? Because we didn't dislike Parker or Alberto, but seems to be a nice guy. Yeah. Hamilton uses a local resident's knowledge of the aerial area to circle behind Tanner, who declares to be Lord of the Plains, a Comanche.

SPEAKER_02 53:55

Oh, that must have been a good feeling.

SPEAKER_01 53:57

Yep. That's me. And um and then uh Hamilton kills him with a single shot, headshot using the local's rifle. Tanner leans over his gun, dead with a rattlesnake at his feet. And uh I feel like this whole movie probably was it like I feel like when making this movie, if you had to think, what was Taylor Sheridan's like picture? His like when his first thought of this movie, the first picture he thought of is in his head when making it, and I feel like is a bank robber slumped over dead with like leaning on his rifle while rattlesnakes like Yeah. Feel it, and then you just go, Yeah. Don't tread on me. Exactly. Um give me some boots to lick, man. I mean, um, and uh something I do love about it is that they're so this townsperson, uh, when he comes up to Hamilton and he's like, hey, because all the posse comes back up while the sniper off was shooting, Hamilton's like, get the fuck out of here. What are y'all doing? Look at your cars, you idiot. And then he's like, Do you know how to get behind him? One person's like, Yeah, I'll go up there and I'll shoot him myself. He's like, I can't let you do that. And they walk up the hill and he's like, hey, old man, like you're too winded, you can't do this. I'm gonna do it. And he's like, nah, I don't think so. Hold my morning beer. It's like this guy just wants to fucking murder somebody so bad.

SPEAKER_02 55:20

He's all bloodthirsty. I love how he is the voice of reason throughout for everybody in Texas. Yeah. Every time somebody wants to do vigilanteism, he's just like he's like, ha, that's funny, but don't do that.

SPEAKER_01 55:33

Yeah. Otherwise, I'm arresting you. Okay. Do you not understand? You like you have a gun, but you're just not supposed to kill everybody you think you should kill. All right. Supposed to be for protection. If you don't put yourself in a situation where you need protection, then you most likely won't. If it happens to you, then you have it for protection. You don't just like go looking for danger.

SPEAKER_02 55:54

What? But that's what guns are for.

SPEAKER_01 55:57

Yeah. Gives everybody that mindset for some reason. So during the sandoff, Toby, concealing his bleeding but minor hip bullet wound, passes through a police checkpoint without incident with uh really weird cops. The way that they are just kind of walking around, because right, they're being very intimidating at first, and they check the his license and they come back, but they're all kind of just like looking around like something's wrong here. Bends over, really hesitates. All right, you're free to go. It's like, what were y'all doing?

SPEAKER_02 56:27

Gotta make it weird.

SPEAKER_01 56:28

Why were y'all being so weird? If you knew he was fine, he's like, Oh, he's fine, okay. Here you go, have a good day. I get it. Uh, building suspense for the movie. So I'm just like, it was kind of just like this is a little silly. So then he goes to the casino, successfully launders the stolen cash at the casino where he sees the news report of his brother's death on TV and then gets drunk. So he takes the casino's check to the bank just in time to avoid the ranch's foreclosures and deeds the ranch and a family trust.

SPEAKER_02 56:57

Um that was a great scene. He's like, I'll sit here and wait for you to do all this.

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SPEAKER_01 57:01

He's like, Oh, I can do all this paperwork by tomorrow. He's like, No. And he's just intensely staring at him, making the guy uncomfortable. And I love when he's like, Yeah, oh, all right. So we're gonna take care of this loan that we gave him and uh all the all the taxes that we paid for, which we do as a courtesy, as you know. And he's just like, go kill yourself. And then they print out all the papers and he's like, and he goes to like shake Toby's hand and he does, he's like, okay, he doesn't want to shake it. Toby starts walking out. Hey, actually, how do trust work here? And it's like, yeah, fuck them.

SPEAKER_02 57:33

Fuck him.

SPEAKER_01 57:35

They stole all your money and using it. It's like a classic, it's a classic movie of stealing from Peter to pay Peter. You know, stealing from Peter to pay Paul. Oh.

SPEAKER_02 57:47

Stealing from Peter to pay Paul. I was thinking Robin Hood, but yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 57:52

Actually, I had that at the beginning that I was supposed to say that, and I just kind of kind of remembered. I'm like, this is a perfect place to put it. So after retirement, Hamilton visits his former office to learn that the Rangers have cleared Toby as a suspect, as his record is clean. He has no motive to steal since the new oil wells earn more in a month than the total stolen in all the robberies.

SPEAKER_02 58:11

He can't be a criminal.

SPEAKER_01 58:13

Yeah, because he stole 40,000 and now he makes 50,000. And um that's an American way. And then the money from the ranch's oil wells is deposited at Texas Midlands Bank, which refuses to cooperate with the investigation for fear of losing management of the family's trust fund. So, security guard, nobody cares about you. You risk your life to save money for this bank. For no, they just gave you two birds and said, Don't care, we're getting$10,000 extra from what they even stole from us. So the civilian that died, people who had your car shot, guess what? Banks didn't give a shit. Well, they never do because they're getting oil money. So, way to go, guys. Everyone listen to Jesse's words. Got me riled up, baby. So Hamilton visits Toby's ranch. Um, part of the movie that I think fucking rules, and I think it's kind of lame. So Hamilton visits Toby's Ranch, and while they stay civil, Hamilton states that he knows Toby's masterminded uh the whole thing and took part in the robberies, but wishes to know the reason Toby does not explain, only implies that he did what he did for his son. I didn't kill your friend. And then he's like, Yeah, you did, by setting it all in motion. Then you got Toby, I've been poor my whole life, like a disease passing from generation to generation, but not my boys, not anymore. So the situation gets tense.

SPEAKER_02 59:34

They've just got the hurt.

SPEAKER_01 59:35

They got the herpes, they got the West Texas herpes.

SPEAKER_02 59:40

Those poor, poor boys. But I love this thing because uh Hamilton's like he's asking him these questions, but he it's rhetorical because he knows he's not gonna answer because he's he knows all about it. Like he's smart, he's not gonna say shit.

SPEAKER_01 59:54

Yeah. Oh, it's so good. But I think like, I mean, there's probably nothing he could do, right? I mean, the only thing is if he had like a wire on or something, which but I mean otherwise you could have just been like, those banks robbed from my family, so why can't I rob them? And I didn't want anybody to die. That was my stupid brother. Yeah. So the situation gets tense when Toby says, If you're gonna shoot me, better do it before I shoot you. Their conversation is interrupted when Toby's ex-wife, Debbie, um, and the sons arrive. The ranch belongs to the trust, and thus to them, Toby is only there to visit and fix up the house. As Hamilton departs, Toby suggests that they meet again soon to finish the conversation, to which Hamilton agrees.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:35

Like murder end. Like we're gonna have a gunfight at dawn at high noon. Western shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:40

Yeah. Which a part of me is like, this is silly. But then a part of me is like, yeah, it's western. We have to do this. We have to have like the two opposing forces eventually gotta meet.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:53

Um Justice must be done.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:55

That is Hiller High Water, Jason. What's the point of the movie?

SPEAKER_02 1:00:59

Uh I guess the point is when you push people to the breakpoint, uh, but even good people, that they are going to do whatever it takes to survive.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:08

Yeah. And then like when you live in poverty and you have no income because no one will there's no jobs around you or anything, and everybody's raising prices of shit, what do you think's gonna happen? Crime.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:21

That you should stand up.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:22

Instead of just blaming all the criminals, let's blame the real fucking criminals. Yeah, the real criminals with all the money. The people that put us in these fucking situations. Yeah. But I put the the point, uh, no matter what year it is, people will always be on hard times and they will do what they have to do to get money, and there will always be a lawman trying to stop them, and in the end, the bank will always make more money than all of them.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:41

Yep. That's the truth. Right. The rich people come out on top every time.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:47

Yeah, and then they're we'll just uh and all the crimes and what people have done will just be posted on the news for us to argue about on Facebook. And do nothing else. Yep. So we're gonna hit up our next category: the good, the bad, the ugly, the fine. That's where we discuss something we liked about the movie, the good, something we didn't like about the movie, the bad, something that didn't age well, the ugly, something that did age well, the fine. For the good, I put the acting in the script. Pretty fantastic. Directing was good too. A lot of the cinematography was great. Uh, all around, a pretty damn good movie. It was a damn good movie. It's a classic, like, yo, I'm just uh I'm just hanging out with my dad. What am I gonna do? I don't know. Let me put Hell or High Water on and then we can high five afterwards. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:27

That's awesome. Or do like the Predator handshake.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:29

Yeah. Dylan, you son of a bitch. You son of a bitch.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:35

No, what I thought was good was um these two brothers, you know, sticking together to do what's right and uh and to do whatever it's like they always had each other's back. Yeah. I thought that was really cool.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:53

Yeah, blood sticker and water.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:54

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:55

And hell. Um, yeah, and I do I do love movies when you got like two family members coming together to work together, and it's like they do the ups, especially when they do crime. What an odd couple.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:09

Um, so for the bad, I put they aren't just going to look further into Toby. It's like in real life, I know it kind of uh ties a little bow on the story, but and I don't know. I guess it probably is true. I guess if the FBI is not getting involved because it's not that big of a deal for them.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:26

Why waste the time?

SPEAKER_01 1:03:27

Why waste the time? Over forty thousand dollars, which insurance covered anyways, and they can pay that insurance back easily. So maybe it's not bad. I don't know. I got nothing then.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:37

My bad was the the idea that you gotta be a hero if you have a gun.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:42

Fuck that.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:43

Don't have to be. You can use it if someone's got another gun, point it at you. Which I mean, I guess technically in the bank.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:50

They kind of did, but like if they would just follow the direction.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:53

There's a lot of people in there. He wasn't gonna shoot everybody.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:55

No, he wasn't gonna do anything. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:59

Own a gun, just use it smartly.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:01

Okay? It's fine.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:04

You don't have to be crazy.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:06

So for the posse are usually a bad idea.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:10

But it's such a classic Western trope. Right. It's great. So for the ugly, um, I put this movie will always be relevant. And also put Chris Fine's acting career because I don't know what he's doing anymore. He's kind of five years since he made a good video. He's having a moment. Yeah. Sexy as hell.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:28

Sexy as hell.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:31

Though he's kind of like his face is he's getting like the classic, like uh like a Tony Romo and Tom Brady face, where it's like, why are you doing so much classic surgery? You're not you're kind of starting to look a little weird. If I'm remembering his face right. I just remember there's something recently I watched and I was like, it used to look different. Yeah, I haven't seen him in a while. Like, your cheekbones didn't look like that. But for a lot of men, like their faces shrinks in. You know, as you're older you get, you know, the cheeks kind of soak in and some people don't like it. What do you got for the ugly?

SPEAKER_02 1:05:04

Um I don't really know.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:08

Racism, the way we treat Native Americans.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:12

I think uh no, I thought the the relationship between those two, like with the relationship between professionals and the in the same field. Like I remember in the military, like you wouldn't say any racist shit to you out in the open. But when you're you kind of rib each other hardcore about everything. But it it's kind of the mentality of like when you're No matter what, I'm still gonna try to rest to like save your life. Yeah. You're still like my my buddy in arms. Yeah, that's kinda what that was kind of yeah, the racist.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:44

Kind of what Hamilton's doing at the end there. It's like, you killed Alberto, now I gotta kill you. Yeah, who else am I gonna say race justice? Now I got nobody to say my racist thoughts to that was my only Native American slash Mexican friend.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:58

Now I can't claim to be a friend. Yeah. And say I have one friend that is that race.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:06

So uh for the fine, I put uh something that agewell is uh Taylor Sheridan's uh bank account. Oh yeah boy is rich as hell after all these TV shows he's made. I put Jeff Bridges, everyone loves Jeff Bridges, everyone will always love Jeff Bridges, and he's gonna die as one of our best actors ever, and hopefully he never does. He won't. And then I also liked uh I put the political ambiguity, the film. Oh was fun. It was really cool. Enjoyed not being able to figure out what the thoughts I did like that too. Political thoughts.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:38

I think, yeah, I think instead of taking a hard side on one thing, art that's what art is supposed to do. Yeah, it's supposed to just make you think.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:45

It's putting a mirror in front of your face and saying, like, what do you think?

SPEAKER_02 1:06:48

Yeah. And put uh like I It's putting a banana taped to the wall.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:54

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:55

Makes you really think about your life.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:57

Yeah. Cool. Well, that's that category. We're gonna hit up our next one. Double feature. It's where we recommend a movie to go alongside this movie. Got anything, Jason?

SPEAKER_02 1:07:08

I mean, you mentioned it before. Uh I always love Draft Bridges in the Western. You know, so like true gratitude. But he's in he's also in that other series where he's an outlaw and he's missing an arm. It's the town run by women because all the men died in a mining accident. I'll come up with it. Just only look it over. You can go ahead and do yours.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:31

Never heard of that. Sounds super interesting. Uh I picked the movie, the 2012 movie called Mud. It's got Matthew McConaughey, directed by Neph Jeff Nichols, who's done a lot of great movies. Also has Reese Witherspoon, Michael Shannon, Sarah Paulson, uh, just a bunch of great actors. It's on a Mississippi River Island, two young boys encounter a stranger who tells wild tales about bony hunters and a beautiful woman. It's kind of like, it's almost kind of like a weird fairy tale, but it's uh where does it take place? I can't remember. Yeah, it's like uh it's like 14-year-old Ellis lives on a makeshift houseboat on the banks of river in Arkansas, where they end up finding like this boat tree boat in a tree house, like in a tree, and they're gonna like, hey, let's go hang out in it. And it turns out Matthew McConaughey's just living in there. And he's like, hey, I'm like on the run, and I really want to like find Reese Witherspoon, and that's kind of the movie. But it's uh I don't know, it's kind of got like a similar vibe to you know, just kind of like poor folk in a country town. And uh I've only seen it once, but I absolutely loved it.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:36

That's awesome. That sounds really cool. I've never seen it, or I've never really heard of it. Godless is the name of that series I was thinking of. Jeff Bridges is the is the outlaw. It's really good.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:51

Oh, gotcha.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:52

It's really cool.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:53

I was thinking you were talking about like uh a show called The Old Man, which apparently is pretty good. I didn't finish it, but I watched the first four episodes and it was pretty great. Um yeah, so that is the conclusion of Heller High Water. Um the next movie I'm not gonna get nearly as worked up about in sense of kind of a western stuff. Um, because it's pure stupidity in the best possible way.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:18

Pure stupidity and joy.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:20

Yeah, and it's just like do you want to see men that are in that have such good relationships with each other that they all have to die so that we don't think that they're gay? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's right, baby. We're talking about predator because all old action movies like that, where it's like we have to kill all the guys' friends because otherwise they kind of come off as a little gay and they didn't like that in the 80s and 90s. Something I learned like in um it's like a theory that I learned in uh film school, where it's I can't remember what the theory was called, but it's like in all action movies, you know, like where you know, did it and you son of a bitch, and they're like squeezing hands and like looking each other's eyes intensely, and it's like, well, kind of comes people might think they're gay, so we have to kill one of them.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:11

Because one of them's doing that thing with the finger, yeah, like sliding it in through the hands. Yeah, it's like like that.

unknown 1:10:17

Like that.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:18

Like that, don't you? Yucky.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:22

Yeah, join us for Predator. It's uh just one of the best action movies ever made. Um, and there's a lot of movie before the predator comes in, and it's like kind of always forget about that stuff. Yeah, whether it's like in the jungle and stuff.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:35

I'm sure I forgot everything.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:36

Written by Shane Black, who we've done two of his movies on the three of his movies. You're welcome, Shane Black. Yeah. Uh what do we do? Um, The Nice Guys, Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang. And what's that movie with Samuel L. Jackson and blanking on her name? It's that Christmas movie where she eats a man out of it's a movie that you wanted to do. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he wrote that. That movie. What's it called?

unknown 1:10:59

Fuck.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:00

Can't remember I know. Go in our podcast and find it and let us know what it is. Yeah, so join us next week for Predator. I know it's so great. If like we had to read it's like our best performing episode on YouTube. And I'm like, why? And it's obviously because I use like the cover of like the Kate like DVD cases on it. So people are like, oh, I can watch this movie for free.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:24

Oh, is this shit?

SPEAKER_01 1:11:25

And then they're like, I would rather watch the movie. I'm like, well, then don't click on the podcast.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:30

Then pay it for a subscription on YouTube, and maybe you can. Oh, it was uh long as good night. Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:36

The movie that started making me put in parentheses podcasts. Um, thank you, Joey Prosser, for intro and outro music. You can follow him on X at Mr. Joey Prosser. This has been the We Recommend Podcast. I've been Jesse. I've been Jason. When you're in the nursing home, thinking back on this podcast, it'll make you giggle.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:56

Goodbye.