Predator

A chopper ride, a handshake that shook the jungle, and a hunter who learns the hard way that prey can think back. We take a full-tilt dive into Predator—why it still slaps decades later, how its two-act metamorphosis from macho mission to survival horror works, and what that mud-caked final duel says about brains versus brawn. From first-time memories and TV airings to modern rewatches, we track the moments that made it iconic: thermal POV, the bend-of-light cloak, and a creature face so instantly readable it rewired sci-fi design.

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Transcript

Welcome & Why Predator

SPEAKER_01 0:02

Hello and welcome to the We Recommend Podcast, a movie podcast where every week we recommend a movie for you to watch, and then come back here and listen to us discuss. I'm Jesse. I'm Jason. I'm Dakota. You're hit! You're bleeding, man. I ain't got time to bleed. Cause this week we recommend Predator.

SPEAKER_02 0:29

I like how you uh said the said the phrase when the guy was Jesse Ventura. Damn Jesse.

SPEAKER_04 0:36

Ace Ventura.

SPEAKER_01 0:37

The body maker. Oh yeah. Have y'all done that movie yet? Ace Ventura now.

SPEAKER_02 0:42

Dang, that's some flavor.

SPEAKER_01 0:43

That's some flavor, baby. Give it here. So guys, do y'all like Predator?

SPEAKER_02 0:49

I only have one tattoo of it on me.

SPEAKER_01 0:52

Oh yeah, for real, you had a tattoo of it. What about you, Jason? You big predator boy? I'm big predator boy. Big predator?

SPEAKER_02 1:00

Why are you asking if he's Republican?

SPEAKER_01 1:02

I'm a huge predator.

SPEAKER_04 1:05

He's in the files, guys. So yeah, I know. Oh yeah, I am. When I was in uh I went to Parts of Ayarda, I w there's a restaurant down by the water. Down by the water. And uh in the guest book where you sign your name, uh on the first page, they have it open to Arnold Schwarzenegger because they filmed it down there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so I signed my name underneath his probably not cool.

SPEAKER_01 1:41

So what about you, Dicardo? Like when was the first time you saw Predator? Uh do you remember?

SPEAKER_02 1:46

Oh god, I remember it's just probably been around like since I've been young, because you know, grew up with Alien. You grew up with Predator and it was just on TV one time, and it's Arnold Schwarzenegger. I loved him even as a kid. Yeah. Uh yeah, I love the movie because uh well, man, I guess it ha I have grown up with Predator because I remember A VP and I watched that before I was even a teenager. Man, really?

SPEAKER_01 2:09

That's when that would game Well, yeah, the first Alien versus Predator, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:15

Yeah. Did y'all ever play the Predator video game?

SPEAKER_02 2:18

Not the old one.

SPEAKER_04 2:19

I didn't the old S one? No. The NES one? Is that the one you're talking about? I think I actually had that one, yeah.

First Watches, Games, And Arnold Roles

SPEAKER_02 2:24

Oh no. I played the uh alien versus uh Predator video game that came out like some years later, and the predator uh stuff was fun. The human campaign was the best, and the alien one I couldn't do because you kept transitioning between walls and stuff, it made me sick because I can't I can't do this. I played regular campaigns.

SPEAKER_01 2:44

I feel like Predator would be a great video game. I mean, just even putting like yourself in the body of like the predator just would be a great video game, and I don't know why we don't have more of it. I just want to hunt Arnold Schwarzenegger, that would be easily a great game. Yeah. Um, so speaking of Arnold, do y'all have a favorite Arnold um uh movie? Uh role? Role because I was thinking, you know, mine's always been Terminator 2. I mean, he just crushes in it. I mean, he's the best part of that movie, he's so good. Well, I mean, that whole movie's just amazing. And then I was thinking, I was like, man, what would be my second? And then watching Predator again today, I was like, I think this might be his best.

SPEAKER_04 3:26

I think it might be his best role, but I did love him in Jingle all the way. Oh, Arnold versus Sendbag.

SPEAKER_02 3:35

Okay, three roles, I think I could say for Arnold. I will say my top one right now, true lies. I loved him in that. Yeah, he's fun in that one. Loved him in Predator just because it's great. And then one like I rewatched it not long ago, and when I was just watching him just to have fun in it, I loved him as Mr. Freeze. You can just tell he's having a good time playing that character.

SPEAKER_04 3:54

He really is.

SPEAKER_02 3:55

Like, if you pay attention, like he's just having a good old time playing this role.

SPEAKER_04 3:59

He did the happiest super villain ever made.

SPEAKER_02 4:02

He may be cold, but that smileworm gill. Yes! And he's like, Donce, don't, don't. Someone comes in, he fucking hits him with an eye screen. He's like, I hate when people talk during the movie.

SPEAKER_01 4:15

I did always kind of forget about that role, but he is the best part of that.

SPEAKER_02 4:19

I quoted so many times.

SPEAKER_01 4:21

It's like he completely nailed it. Oh, so I guess you know you can't talk about predator without talking about alien. So do y'all prefer alien versus pre are alien over predator? And when it comes to the creature design, do you prefer predator or alien? Alien as far as creature design goes. Yeah, I think so. This one's pretty cool, but it is cool.

SPEAKER_02 4:42

I guess it's because the alien doesn't have like even though it's humanoid shape, it's still the giant head and everything.

SPEAKER_01 4:47

I like how smooth he is. Glossy. Got two mouths to kiss.

SPEAKER_04 4:56

Their blood is similar colors. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:59

Bright. Yeah. Alien blood, it's always gotta be green. I guess.

SPEAKER_04 5:02

What do you think uh predator breast milk looks like?

SPEAKER_01 5:05

Ooh.

SPEAKER_04 5:06

I think mammals goes wild and it's just rare. Or koi fish. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 5:12

It definitely reptile. I feel like it's definitely gotta be a little reptile.

SPEAKER_04 5:15

It's like they've taken too many vitamins and your pea is like neon or like green.

SPEAKER_00 5:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 5:21

That happens. Or if you take mucinex, man, that turns your pea like super crazy colors. I've never had a big one.

SPEAKER_02 5:27

I'll say this one dialogue from the new one, if it kind of gives you an inclination of how it is with the He doesn't like the new Predator.

SPEAKER_01 5:34

I do not.

SPEAKER_02 5:35

That's for you, Devin. It's it's not good. Uh was at the end was you know, Fanning's character was talking, it's like, what's that? More enemies? And the predator, no, worse. It's my mother. No, yeah, not fucking kidding.

SPEAKER_04 5:49

Martha. Dorfy Mantooth is a sight.

SPEAKER_01 5:58

Uh so well, I guess we should talk about the like the predator series. I mean, so there's only three good predator movies, right? You got Predator, Predators, and then uh Prey, right? You don't like uh Predator 2? Uh I mean I watched it as a kid and I haven't went back to re-watch it, but I remember not really caring for it much as a kid myself.

Alien vs. Predator: Creatures And Canon

SPEAKER_02 6:19

It's not as good as the first one, but I like I still love Predator 2. It's literally like in the concrete jungle, as the game was called, so I always associate it like that.

SPEAKER_03 6:29

But I feel like it works. It's just because it doesn't.

SPEAKER_02 6:33

I don't know, just knowing going into it, it's like he's still hunting because he's hunting like prey, like crazy, and the end fight with them with Danny Glover and everything.

SPEAKER_01 6:43

I'm too old for this. It's so good.

SPEAKER_02 6:45

I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 6:45

I just I thought it was to rewatch it, but like I never saw it.

SPEAKER_02 6:50

Really? I watch it all. Usually when I watch Predator, I go right and watch Predator 2. Really? No. It's nowhere near as good as the first one, but I still enjoy it a lot for what it is, and it being in the middle of like Los Angeles and all the other stuff. Like when you kind of just know what's happening, because he's literally hunting down uh because he watched a gang war happen and he's going after them and taking them out.

SPEAKER_04 7:13

They must be like rats to him.

SPEAKER_02 7:15

Well, he always finds ones who like shoot, like you just saw all the people say, Okay, well, here's more prey, and he kept doing it and I enjoyed it. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_01 7:24

So, like with I don't know anything and Gary Bucey's in it. I don't gotta love the Buuse. So uh I don't really know that much about Predator in terms of like lore, other than Alien versus Predators, when they're like, no, they just go planet to planet to hunt, and it's like a ritual or whatever. But is that like did that come from the comics first or something?

SPEAKER_02 7:48

Uh no, I don't think so, but the because I don't I looked into like big into the lore, but like everything you see is like even from predators, all that kind of stuff where they hunt, that's like their whole society. Yeah. There's no expansion on it, at least from the comics. It's literally they go hunt prey, there's other things they have. I know in one of the comics, like uh at the end of Alien versus Predator, the woman who lived.

SPEAKER_01 8:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:13

I don't know if it was her.

SPEAKER_01 8:14

The woman who lived.

SPEAKER_02 8:15

Uh I forget her name.

SPEAKER_01 8:16

But she has a predator scar on her forehead.

SPEAKER_02 8:19

Uh she does, like they thought she was worthy enough, and she joins the predators and hunts with them. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_01 8:24

So there's like it's just a Harry Potter. It's just Predator Harry Potter.

SPEAKER_02 8:28

So the the lore is literally just what you watch of it. Like, you know, they hunt, that's their society, they keep doing it.

SPEAKER_01 8:33

So whenever they they go to hunt and then they come back, is it just like ever how many spinal columns you have? Is like they pay you for it?

SPEAKER_02 8:40

It depends on what like there was one comic I read for it. It came with the alien vs. Predator Collectors edition, and it came with a little comic, and they went off to hunt. Two predators went off to hunt, and like the planet had like certain uh uh of the native wildlife that got infected by the alien and they were hunting it down, and it was like little dialogue options, and they were talking about just talking about hunting and the honor of it, and they said, you know, even I don't remember the exact quality, but the big thing was that the two predators that went, they like one of them died, and that predator was like, Okay, I'll take your trophy, and he came back like he got it, and they knew, and they left him on that planet like strung up. So it's pretty much what you like see, like it's the same.

SPEAKER_04 9:27

You think they sent the this predator to Earth or like kill the whole planet?

SPEAKER_02 9:31

Well, some just do it for sports, some are on their own, some are like, okay, you're young, we're gonna see.

SPEAKER_04 9:35

Yeah, like it seems like a coming of age ritual.

SPEAKER_02 9:37

Well, that's what the alien versus predator movie does. It shows you like they send some of their younger ones to go do it. Um if you watch the new one, it'll try and expand the lore, and I hated it.

SPEAKER_04 9:46

Well, I like the idea that their whole society is based on fighting the alien, like eruption, but like that is yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:55

They tend to just fight like whatever.

SPEAKER_04 9:57

Um so like maybe the earth was just like a training ground to fight the real enemy.

SPEAKER_02 10:04

It's training, it's whatever, because they've been multi they've visited multiple times. I will say, like, I think Alien has more good sequels.

SPEAKER_03 10:14

Oh yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_01 10:15

Predator, like, they have like this new one just I mean, I guess like which I I'm I was just gonna say because I've only really known the three that I really like. I mean, three out of six ain't bad, right? I guess. I mean, because with Alien, like I like Alien, I like Aliens. I haven't really watched Alien 3 in forever. Resurrection, I haven't watched in forever. And then Prometheus, and then it's just kind of like I don't know.

Sequels Ranked: Predator 2, Prey, And More

SPEAKER_02 10:41

I don't ever count those as alien movies in my head. I see those as like engineer movies, as like Ridley Scott doing his own.

SPEAKER_01 10:47

Yeah, I mean they really don't feel like alien movies that much at all. But they are canon though, right? Yeah, I guess. I did like Alien Romulus. Is anything canon anymore? I did like Romulus too. Not like the little weird gangly alien at the end. I didn't see that. I know people didn't like that part, but I was like, It just reminded me of somebody I know. Okay. I sent you the picture of the I don't remember. It's just funny. It looks like someone I'm related to.

SPEAKER_02 11:16

Uh yeah, yeah, it's not the same.

SPEAKER_01 11:18

But um, so for being uh like an apex predator, uh man, their eyesight, right? Yikes, that's gonna suck. Infrared? Well, and then like, yeah, because you have the infrared, and then when they take off their thing, everything's just red. I'm like, how do y'all do anything?

SPEAKER_02 11:33

Well, like, no, the infrared is it's heat vision. Is infrared heat vision? Yeah, but that's their mask, right? Well, no, the heat vision is their mask. When they take it off, they had infrared. Oh, I was thinking heat. Infrared.

SPEAKER_04 11:44

I'm so stupid. It's yeah, everything was red. It's all just red.

SPEAKER_01 11:47

I was just like, man, this is I would have seven it. Well, they learned how to deal with it. I know, but it's just like whatever you think about it, it's like, man, if they could just see normal, these these guys would be impossible to stop.

SPEAKER_04 11:58

See through mud. Yeah, it's crazy. Have you ever heard of mud? Whoa.

SPEAKER_01 12:03

They mustn't like just hate going to like frozen planets. They're just like, dang it, can't see anything. Everything's just like a lot of things.

SPEAKER_02 12:09

It would have been a much better concept of a movie. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 12:12

That's what makes you think they're from an ice planet. It's because they only see heat. Yeah. No, I mean, not yet.

SPEAKER_02 12:18

If they wanted to expand the lore more of like the because predators introduce like different looking predators in different clans. So it's like, okay, interesting. A little bit. But you know, they don't take like this classic franchise building.

SPEAKER_01 12:37

Yeah, pretty much.

SPEAKER_02 12:38

Um but it's not as bad. I don't know. This new one, like I was sitting here thinking, like, if it's a movie I don't like, sometimes I'll take the elements of the story and be like, this is what I would have done instead, this is what I would have done. And you know, my girlfriend was sitting there, she was doing her thing, uh, crocheting, and I'm just sitting here, it's like, you know, I I'm sitting here thinking I was. I was sitting here explaining, like, well, you could have done this, this, and that. She's just looking at me because I wasn't explaining it. I was like, actually, you know what? They should have just done a movie where it was the colonial marines against a predator, and that would have been a much better movie. Hell yeah. Yeah. Because we have not got that because she was asking, is it are we in the past? It's like, no, we're in the future timeline with Utani and everything.

SPEAKER_01 13:19

And oh, really? Man, I really got to watch this new one. Just to know what you're talking about. That'd be great. Um, so is this movie hindered by how macho it's trying to be?

SPEAKER_02 13:29

I love how macho it is. It has to be macho. Like, when I watched it, I was like, Man, uh, they don't make them like they used to. They really don't.

SPEAKER_01 13:36

And you know, I get it because we're just like, it's just a different time. But we should just really do this again. I mean, I this is pretty much what we have Fast and the Furious for now. It's like that's our macho, like m overly masculine movies.

SPEAKER_02 13:48

You could still do a macho movie, but you can just tone it down where it like take a-give me a big old boy out in the jungle.

SPEAKER_04 13:55

The rock versus predator.

SPEAKER_01 13:57

Yeah. Instead of he well, the rock dislikes to fight environments at this point.

SPEAKER_02 14:04

The predator takes his mask off, and he's like, You're one ugly, then he hits him and then he looks at him, and the predator raises his eyebrow like the rock.

SPEAKER_01 14:11

You're missing with the people's champ.

SPEAKER_02 14:14

Um, so Batista would be great for because he at least tries to be better. That would be sick. Yeah, Batista would be great. But we really don't have like a lot. I think not that it's as it was, but we don't really have a lot of big like overly muscular guys anymore. Especially like, I think I started noticing the trend trending more would be the new He-Man trailer. The guy who's playing He-Man, I was like, he just doesn't look like He-Man to me, but I was like, he's still a big dude. I was like, he's probably not on roids like everyone else is.

SPEAKER_01 14:44

Yeah, it's like different because now a lot of people don't want to use steroids.

SPEAKER_02 14:47

Yeah, because it causes a lot of bad problems.

SPEAKER_01 14:49

Yeah, snake of ball strength.

SPEAKER_02 14:51

Well, also heart attack. Yeah, you get off of like you retain all strength, but it's a lot of the bad stuff because like Zwapatista is off of it, John Cena's off of it, because it's better for their health. Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_04 15:04

I didn't know any I didn't know they were on steroids. Oh, come on, it makes sense.

SPEAKER_02 15:07

I mean, yeah, it makes total sense.

SPEAKER_01 15:09

Like you see too many veins, it's like there's a little bit of steroids.

SPEAKER_02 15:12

My buddy, like we had this long when I first started working at GLC with Shane. Yeah, we had a big discussion about steroids. You just think the rock's not like you do this, this, and that. And over the years learning from it, I was like, oh, it's just so much propaganda that you don't learn how much these people are on steroids. You cannot achieve these bodies that they have without steroids. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:30

I mean, especially in the amount of time they usually have to be like, like, if they look like they're Mr.

Predator Lore And Ritual Hunting

SPEAKER_02 15:35

Olympia, they're on roids because it's the open competition and they don't regulate steroids, they just let you go and you go as big as you can.

SPEAKER_01 15:43

I watched like a there was some sort of show that I was watching, and it just like pinpointed on like bodybuilders and like the shows and like using steroids, and it's like bodybuilders, they'd have this um, they'd have like the first showing where they go and they'd pose and they're just like, Yeah, you're the perfect amount of tan, you get a 10. Well, this one guy he didn't get great numbers, and he's and I guess he had like this guy that that just like would drive around, set up tents, and like do steroids, like make their own steroids. And so he goes there and they just like pump him with like 10 different shots. Then he goes back and he gets a better, you know, he looks buffered. Oh my god, that's why he gets better numbers.

SPEAKER_02 16:20

That's what it is. It's you're pumping yourself with exotestosterone.

SPEAKER_01 16:23

It's wild.

SPEAKER_02 16:24

That's why sucks. Uh well, the liver king guy was taking like$10,000 worth of supplements and stuff.

SPEAKER_01 16:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:30

It's it's not good for you.

SPEAKER_01 16:32

You feel like it'd be exhausted. If I take too many vitamins, I'm like, that was a day for me.

SPEAKER_02 16:38

I did read one thing because me and Shane always joked around. I was like, you know, we should we should do around. Just one, just one cycle. And then uh we were watching one other guy watch who's like all natural and talking to one guy who wasn't, and they found out that the study shows that it lowers it makes you it dumber when you do some like a lot. And I was like, that explains so much about why a lot of bodybuilders, the big bulky dudes, are uh certainly politically aligned.

SPEAKER_01 17:06

They're dumber. But then yeah, you know, then some of them just become the governor of California, though. You know, yeah, you can just grade heights when your muscles are big.

SPEAKER_02 17:16

Yeah, but you also had like two heart attacks or a heart attack, and then he quit taking them and you see where he shrunk. That makes sense. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 17:22

Yeah, and sometimes they get so big they have to have surgery to like cut their skin because their muscles are like bursting.

SPEAKER_02 17:29

That's way over the top. It's way over if you're doing a lot like that point, but at least they're not injecting themselves. Have you seen the people who eject with oil? No. Oh my god. Like, think like I'm not joking, Popeye arms. Oh, that's awesome. And like they'll like go to comps and they'll flex, and like one guy's busted, and oil started leaking out of their own.

SPEAKER_01 17:49

Oh no. Jesus Christ, what's the point? I just want to look human. That's like my goal. That's extreme body dysmorphia. My entire life, I just want to be feel human. You're all look human. Yeah. I've got to get there, guys. I promise. All right, let's hit up some facts. So several people were approached to direct this film, including Sir Ridley Scott, James Cameron, Brian De Palma, which he did blow out uh the first Mission Impossible, Richard Donner, Superman, uh Omen, uh John Millis, don't know, John Carpenter, and Rennie Harlan. They all passed stating that they didn't want to shoot an alien/slash monster movie in the jungle. John McTiernan, who did die hard, um, would eventually be chosen to direct.

SPEAKER_02 18:30

Hmm. Man, my brain just was like, man, if we ever get goggles or the like in Rick and Morty, they can watch like different channels, different multiverses. That would be mine. Like, let's see what Predator looks like. I would just sit there and watch like what version of Predator looked like with all these different directors.

SPEAKER_04 18:46

I know, that'd be so interesting. Do you think they passed on him because they're like, no, we don't want to get diarrhea? Being out in the jungle.

SPEAKER_02 18:54

Oh.

SPEAKER_04 18:56

I do gotta say uh like how everyone was sweating was like, this is uh the whole set was had diarrhea because the hotel they were staying at had a like water filtration problems and there was no bottled water back. Oh shit.

Machismo, Muscles, And Steroids Tangent

SPEAKER_02 19:08

Man, no wonder everybody looks so cut, they're all dehydrated. Which, if you see anybody with six-pack abs, just know that they're dehydrated. Uh, there's uh that one piece show that's on Netflix. Uh, there's a guy who plays one of the characters, and he was like, he shows how much hard work it is. He was literally like in a frame, super cut, uh curling to keep the pump going, and he had oxygen masks on his face. He's like, I had not drunk water in three days to get that like tightness. And he was like, I literally, if I was trying to lift, I like couldn't get enough oxygen. So he had it on so he can get a pump in between his takes. Didn't Hugh Jackson do that? Yeah, Hugh Jackman. Yeah, well, he like the Wolverine big scene of it, like, or the main one that you see a lot of. He said cut water. Three days worth. Yeah. And like uh there's one bodybuilder I watch who's natural, who's normally bigger, and he finally did a competition of like cutting down to six-pack abs, and he was recording his experience, and he was like, he's like, I hate this. It's like it's miserable. Yeah, there's no reason.

SPEAKER_01 20:06

Yeah. So uh speaking of uh bodies, Jesse Ventura was delighted to find out from the wardrobe department that his arms were one inch bigger than Arnold's. He suggested to switch uh Arnold that they measure arms with the winner getting a bottle of champagne. Ventura lost because Arnold had told the wardrobe department to tell Ventura that his arms were bigger.

SPEAKER_04 20:26

That's awesome.

SPEAKER_01 20:27

Hell yeah. Oh man. Classic. Back in the day. Um the invisibility cloaking effect was achieved with a bright red suit because it was the furthest opposite of green of the jungle and the blue of the sky. This uh uh the size the red was removed with the chroma key techniques leaving an empty area. The take was then repeated without the actors using 30% wider lens on the camera. When the two takes were combined, optically the jungle from the second take filled in the empty area because the second take was filmed with a wider lens. A vague outline of the alien could be seen with the background scenery bending around its shape. That's just how they made the invisibility and how they made it look back in the day. That was pretty cool. Yeah. Yeah. At first it's um the only times where I think the invisibility is kind of lame is like it always feels like it's so much slower.

SPEAKER_05 21:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:21

But I mean the monster, the predator is kind of slow, but well, whenever he kind of does a little thing, like it grabs a tree and kind of swings around. I'm like, no. Maybe he's just super dense. He is, he's big boy. I mean, you find Arnold, you gotta be big boy. Yes. Uh so Dutch's line, get to the chopper, is Arnold's personal favorite catchphrase of all his films that he heard. Get to the choppa.

SPEAKER_04 21:47

Get to the chopper.

SPEAKER_01 21:48

It's just as soon as he said it, me and Natalie turned to each other.

SPEAKER_04 21:51

Do it, do it, no, do it, come here, come here.

SPEAKER_02 21:55

And his face after he likes notices it and walks by, and he's just Are you fucking kidding me?

SPEAKER_01 22:00

That's why I'm like, this is might be my favorite. Well, a second.

SPEAKER_02 22:03

It's always in the most iconic thing ever. The Predator handshake. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:07

Oh, it's so good.

SPEAKER_01 22:08

CIA got you pushing too many pencils.

SPEAKER_02 22:11

Carl Weathers, too. He still barely looks any different now than he does then. He is like aged so well. R.I.P. Wait, am I thinking of Carl? No. I'm not thinking of Carl Weathers.

SPEAKER_04 22:24

His bones are aging really well.

SPEAKER_00 22:27

Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 22:28

So the studio's insurance company would not agree to ensure their production unless a bodyguard was hired for Sonny Landom, Billy. Uh, for the sole purpose of protecting people from Sonny. The bodyguard followed Sonny everywhere to ensure he didn't get into a fight since he was well known to be violent and short-tempered. Which one was Billy? Uh the tracker. Oh, the one like with the blade across it.

SPEAKER_04 22:50

Oh, Jesus. This is like he was one of my favorite characters, too.

SPEAKER_01 22:55

Really? Yeah, like in the his his role was look at the ground, stare. I know. He kind of seemed Native American in that.

SPEAKER_04 23:05

That's what I thought too. But I think he was just I can't tell.

SPEAKER_01 23:08

It seemed like they were going for that vibe, but they didn't fully go for that vibe. No, I think he was uh just hit like Latino. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 23:14

I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_01 23:15

Um so the predatum cost the predator costume weighed over 200 pounds. And even 7'2, Kevin Peter Hall was a large and powerful man. He had to be connected to a bungee rig to enable him to move. Yeah. Unbelievable. Maybe use something other than like tungsten steel. So, all right. Uh the next fact. Um, so I don't know if y'all know John-Claude Van Damme was supposed to be predator. Uh-huh. Yeah, so he was originally class cast to play the predator. The idea being that a f the physical action star would use his martial arts technique to make the predator an agile ninja-like hunter would have been silly.

SPEAKER_04 23:49

It's so fun. Especially with his suit on and splits like crazy all the time.

SPEAKER_01 23:53

However, the original design for the predator was too cumbersome and difficult to manage in the jungle, and Van Dam couldn't make the required movements in it. Additionally, it was reported that Van Dam constantly complained about the monster suit being too hot, causing him to pass out, while also voicing his reservations on a number on numerous occasions about the fact that he would not be appearing on camera without the suit. Van Dam was finally removed from the film, officially for being too short at 5'9. Because like everybody else, all the other actors were 6'2 and 6'5. He was replaced with Kevin Peter Hall, who was 7'2, and the suit was redesigned because even a more imposing actor it was felt to provoke enough fear. Not to provoke enough fear.

unknown 24:32

So yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:32

I saw the set photo where Van Damme is like on set with the Predator costume on his see you see his face.

SPEAKER_01 24:38

Have y'all ever seen the original Predator?

SPEAKER_02 24:40

I've seen the costume and it looks, I thought, kind of the same. I just didn't see if they did the face change at all, or is it the same? Oh, everybody look it up on your phone right now.

SPEAKER_04 24:50

Like, I can't do the splits in this.

SPEAKER_02 24:52

That was funny.

SPEAKER_04 24:53

Although sorry, short kings.

SPEAKER_03 24:56

I'm 5'9. That's average height. No, and I'm not it. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 25:03

It's like a little mantis or something.

SPEAKER_01 25:07

It's like stranger things. I actually kind of think it looks cool.

SPEAKER_02 25:10

It looks like it something belongs in some kind of world like pumpkin head for some reason.

SPEAKER_01 25:13

That's pretty cool. Its face wouldn't have worked for like for the close-ups and things because you'd have to. Pretty much, yeah. So we'll do some more uh little fun facts about everybody pulling pranks on each other because it's just a bunch of dudes being dudes. So in an interview, Carl Weathers said the actors would secretly wake up as early as 3 a.m. to work out before the day shooting. Weathers also stated that he would act as if his physique was naturally given to him and would work and would work out only after the other actors were nowhere near to be seen. It was embarrassed. No, he was just like, oh no, this is how it looked naturally.

SPEAKER_02 25:50

I don't even work out.

SPEAKER_01 25:51

This is just what I look at. That's so good.

SPEAKER_00 25:52

And so everybody goes to sleep, like, I gotta go work out.

SPEAKER_02 25:55

He probably wasn't on steroids, and most of them were.

SPEAKER_00 25:59

I don't know, it's tough to say.

SPEAKER_02 26:01

There's a few close-ups of his abs where I'm like, Well, abs though are he had a very good chest. The indication is the shoulders. When it gets to like literally a perfect roundness, that's your usual indication.

Production War Stories & Iconic Effects

SPEAKER_01 26:13

Gotcha. So uh Ventura pulled a prank on Arnold by pouring water over himself while at the gym before Arnold arrived, thinking that Ventura was drenched in sweat. Arnold believed that Ventura was working out longer than he usually did. He resolved to begin his workout sooner. He and Ventura both started arriving earlier to one-up each other until they both started to arrive at 4 a.m.

SPEAKER_04 26:33

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_01 26:36

It's so good. The egos of these buff actors.

SPEAKER_04 26:41

And I think I heard uh uh I heard also that um then Arnold Schwarzenegger he had to drop a bunch of weight to be able to move. Well, yeah, that too. But like because it's a jungle, you're in the jungle and you need to be agile and like nimble.

SPEAKER_02 27:00

I mean he probably just lost weight because it was they were constantly sweating, and you know it was hot as hell.

SPEAKER_04 27:05

In the super diarrhea. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 27:09

Because like, what are you gonna drink? We have no bottle water. Do we drink the diarrhoea water again or what?

SPEAKER_04 27:13

Yeah, we drink the leech water. Yeah. Apparently, uh there were a lot of leeches in the water. Yeah, I bet.

SPEAKER_01 27:20

I mean, just like in the jungle in this like swampy ass jungle.

SPEAKER_04 27:23

And also they like they didn't have the it was summertime, so the foliage was really brown, and so they had to card around extra like foliage. Like they just had plants they would card around to each set so that it would look green because everything was so brown. That's amazing. Sounds like the worst set. That sounds terrible ever.

SPEAKER_01 27:46

You just got like locals, like you know, there's like plants everywhere. It's not green enough. Um just uh so Peter Cullen, he's the one that created the Predator voice. He when they showed him the design of the Predator, like, how the hell am I supposed to know what this thing sounds like? But I guess he remembers being a kid, like finding a dying horseshoe crab and the type of gurgle that it gave as it was dying, and that's kind of how they came.

SPEAKER_04 28:12

So it was as he was killing the horseshoe crab.

SPEAKER_02 28:16

He said he found it, but he probably wasn't.

SPEAKER_01 28:18

Well he said he like remembers seeing one and then he like turned it over and gurgling you tortured it. No, yeah. No, I remember doing that.

SPEAKER_04 28:26

And then I guess uh torturing crabs? No, no, I never did that. Sometimes their arms fall off when you don't want them to.

SPEAKER_02 28:32

Like, oh well, I saw did you see the one where the crab is like he's just on the beach and he just grabs his arm, rips it off, and then walks away?

SPEAKER_04 28:38

Uses it at a what's uh yeah, rips your own rip your own arm off, use it as a weapon.

SPEAKER_02 28:46

No one no idea why he did it. I don't know if it was a documentary or what, but they're just sitting there watching him and he just rips his arm off, walks away.

SPEAKER_01 28:54

Snack for later. He's like, I hate this god dang arm. It never worked. So, um Stan, this would be my last little fact. It's about the way the creature looks. Stan Winston was inspired by a painting of a Rastafarian warrior in the producer's office. He says, I saw that and I thought it was a great starting concept for the Predator. I started drawing a and redesigning this alien character with the quills that in the silhouette would look like dreadlocks. During the same period of time, aliens had come out, and James Cameron and I were flying to Japan to participate in a symposium about the movie. We were sitting next to each other on the plane, and I was sketching and drawing the Predator when Cameron saw the design. It was he who suggested to give the creature its distinctive mandibles.

SPEAKER_02 29:42

It's wild. He hadn't done aliens at that point, right? No, it just said it was after aliens came out. Oh man, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_04 29:50

Yeah, I feel like this movie takes a lot from aliens. Like the opening scene with the ship coming in. Yeah. And like and you know, there's a I never remember that opening.

SPEAKER_01 29:59

I don't either.

SPEAKER_02 29:59

It started up and I'm like, what am I seeing right now?

SPEAKER_01 30:02

Um and so before we get into the plot, uh I kept saying that Shane Black wrote this movie. No, he's in the movie. I just keep thinking that I think he has like well, he directed the one, the predator. That was Shane Black that directed that one. And I he just has his hand in like every single action movie of like the 90s and 80s, and I just I don't know. For some reason I just thought he also directed or uh wrote it. But he didn't. So sorry I was wrong.

SPEAKER_02 30:32

He was really there at the beginning, and then he made the predator.

SPEAKER_01 30:35

I still need to watch that. I know it's bad, but I'm just like curious at this point.

SPEAKER_02 30:39

They want the boy that has autism because he can figure out their stuff. Not kidding, that's the big plot of the predator.

SPEAKER_04 30:47

Neurodivergence is the key.

SPEAKER_01 30:49

Uh it's all right. So uh before we get into the plot, who's gonna count all these toothpicks? Oh, let us know what the point of the predator or of predator is. Uh, you can leave us a link. There's a link in the comment or description where you can click and then just message us hey, this movie is about bing bum powdery aliens, muss.

SPEAKER_02 31:18

Can you do a good predator noise? Uh uh.

Casting What-Ifs: Van Damme To Hall

SPEAKER_01 31:25

That's about as good as I could do is and then also the email is in the bottom of the description. We recommend mailbag at gmail.com. Let's get into the predator. Or actually, it's just predator. I hate when they make a sequel and they call it the predator. Because then when I say the predator, it's like nope, fuck, it's just predator. It could be better at naming movies. So annoying. Yeah, everything's annoying. I'm annoyed now.

SPEAKER_02 31:52

So it seems to be that the movies with the singular title are the better ones. Predator, prey, because the predator's terrible.

SPEAKER_01 32:01

Predators. Predators, yeah. I really like that one. They have a samurai sword in it. It's cool.

SPEAKER_02 32:06

That one was a good one. Their concepts that they took in that one was just much better.

SPEAKER_01 32:10

And it's got to for grace. Oh. I love toe for grace. I don't even care. He's almost bad in every movie, but I love to for grace.

SPEAKER_02 32:18

Well, then when that movie came out, I really loved their concept of like, because when he was there and he was the he's the doctor, I was like, oh, he's there to be their medic to help them. Yeah. And then you find out at the end, I was like, oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:28

Cool twist. And you know, I just wish he didn't do Spider-Man 3. Uh even though I like him in it. But you know, it just it ruined his career.

SPEAKER_02 32:36

I feel like God damn it was been better as a Spider-Man villain with the way his attitude is.

SPEAKER_03 32:43

Mysterio? No. I can't think of it.

SPEAKER_05 32:47

I just, I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 32:48

Alligator Man.

SPEAKER_02 32:50

Should be just something. What are you thinking of the lizard killer croc from Batman? Uh I mean, Spider-Man does have the lizard. Yeah, the lizard. Well, that's Doc Connors. Who fucking who knows?

SPEAKER_01 33:01

Who knows these things? Predators. 1907. Um, so the film starts with an alien spaceship dropping a pod down to Earth. I'm sure that won't come into play lecture. Dutch and his elite commando team arrive in Latin America country, Valverde. They meet a General Phillips and with a CI agent, Dylan. Um I just put just some damn men dropping in from a helicopter. They all get out. You have inter and then the other people get out, and then you just got Arnold sitting there with his little sailor hat on or whatever, sucking on a cigar. He loves Arnold and he gets out, and it's just like, God dang, this guy could crush my skull.

SPEAKER_04 33:47

You know, he wasn't allowed to smoke on the helicopter, so they had to digitally add the flame to the film.

SPEAKER_05 33:54

That's awesome.

SPEAKER_01 33:58

It's like this is a no-smoking flight. No smoking flight.

SPEAKER_02 34:03

Are you gonna tell me no?

SPEAKER_01 34:04

Do you know who I am? So um, yeah, he goes in, he's like, uh, he goes to talk to like the one general guy, and it's like, why did you call me? Because some crazy some bitch total me with a best. And it's just like, it's so fucking lame and great. Slow turn of who is this? And then you get the classic Dylan, you son of a bitch. And then they grab each other's hands so hard.

SPEAKER_04 34:32

The world shakes, and muscles are about to explode.

SPEAKER_01 34:37

Oh, every man has an erection. But and then it turns out that Dutch is a little bit stronger than Dylan.

SPEAKER_05 34:47

He would be a lot stronger.

Tech, Vision Modes, And Design Choices

SPEAKER_01 34:48

Yeah, so Dylan tells Dutch that a high-ranking cabinet minister, uh traveling by helicopter nearby, has gone missing in the jungle, presumably shot down by a rebel guerrilla group operating in the area. Dutch's team has been charged with going over the border and into the rebel territory to rescue the man. Um, but yeah, it's great. Dylan Yeson, oh, and then what's the matter? See, I I got you pushed into many pencil. What's this tie? My accent's getting worse as I go.

SPEAKER_04 35:18

Sausages, no hostages.

SPEAKER_01 35:23

Rescue the sausages. I mean, is it just like just immediately you see this movie and you're just like, oh brother, here we go. This is gonna be the most macho movie I've ever seen. So macho every time.

SPEAKER_02 35:41

I've never seen it.

SPEAKER_01 35:42

It's like I always just think it's like eh, it's just a little too goofy, but maybe I need to rewatch it. It's an over-the-top action movie. Yeah, I don't think I watched it in a great situation. There okay. Yeah, it's the one where every single line out of Arnold's mouth is a one-liner. You mean like the running man? Stick around. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:00

The running man is literally like there's one guy. What happened to Buzzsaw? He had to split.

SPEAKER_01 36:08

He's so good at it. Arnold is like the best one-liner. I don't why are you just like it's because he's so robotic sounding? Yes, yeah. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 36:18

The tractor. So Terminator 3. There's a deleted scene where they're showing like all the rope, like they're showing like the generals and stuff about the Terminators being built and how they could use them. It's like, yeah, we modeled after this one guy, and it's Arnold. Yeah, yeah. And he's like, hi guys. And he's the thing voiced over a southern accent on him. He's like, Well, we'll we'll have to we gotta change his voice. It doesn't work for the model. Really? Yes, you should look it up. I've never seen it before. And he's sitting there talking a voice over a southern accent.

SPEAKER_01 36:48

It was hilarious. That's actually kind of great. They should have left it in. Oh my gosh. Um, so um, Dutch's team, along with Dylan, are on the helicopter. Uh, Dylan does not work with other people, but Dylan has to go because of orders or whatever. We see that they are a fun and lively group. Uh, you got uh Shane Black, he says a vagina joke. Uh the Echo one? Yeah, no, that was that was the second one.

SPEAKER_02 37:15

Oh, right. It's just I don't even remember.

SPEAKER_01 37:18

And then you got like the nasty habit bit between uh uh Ace Ventura, it also drops an F-bomb.

SPEAKER_04 37:26

What writing was this movie?

SPEAKER_01 37:28

Was it R or No It was R, right?

SPEAKER_02 37:30

Was it R at then? It had to be. I would assume it was R.

SPEAKER_01 37:33

There's a missing arm in the movie. Yeah, explosions. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:38

Okay. PG only When did PG 13 come out?

SPEAKER_04 37:40

You can only use one fuck in a PG 13.

SPEAKER_02 37:42

Yeah, PG 13 didn't come out until I think the 90s or a little bit after the 90s. Oh, we don't know. No, I think it can't. Well, we'll see.

SPEAKER_04 37:49

We didn't even know what ratings were in the 80s.

SPEAKER_02 37:51

No, because if you well, there was one movie I was watching and it was rated PG, and I was like, this movie's PG, it's terrifying.

SPEAKER_01 37:57

It's uh 1984.

SPEAKER_02 37:58

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 37:59

Yeah, it's PG 13. Yeah, because like Jaws was like famously rated PG, and it's like that it was it was Jaws, that's what it was. Yeah, you do need parental guidance. People get bit there. Get bit there. You'll get bit in that movie. That's pretty bloody. So uh Dutch's team are dropped into the jungle by a helicopter and then they hike toward the rebel camp. En route, they found a find a down helicopter. Dutch's tracker Billy is able to determine that the rebels indeed took the cabinet ministers away, but another group of men also pass through, likely more American soldiers. And later, Billy senses something wrong nearby and finds the bodies of three men who have been flayed and hung upside down in a pile of entrails. Another of Dutch's men's Mac finds a set of dog tags, Dutch's recognizes the name on them, Jim Hoppe, a green beret. Oh, for stranger things. Dylan says he Yeah, Dylan says he knows nothing about another team. Uh, we should talk about Mac for a second. Oh boy, we're gonna go crazy. He's awful. Bill Duke crushes us up. I was like, whoa, I always forget how insane that guy kind of goes out there.

SPEAKER_04 39:05

And like in in the military, I remember shaving all the time with no shaving cream, and it's not comfortable. Yeah, like he's so hardcore. Yeah, he's so hardcore.

SPEAKER_01 39:14

He didn't even realize cutting himself. He's so manly.

Plot Walkthrough: Jungle Setup To Camp Raid

SPEAKER_02 39:18

You know, out of the two things that they mentioned in this movie, they have not made a prequel about it. One, the team that they fight, that could be a prequel. And then when she sits there and says, We used to find men who are skinned alive, and she said it was like other things or things like that, it's like then you could make it where it's a young her, the predators there in that village or something.

SPEAKER_04 39:36

Yeah, that'd be cool. So just taking out goats and shit. Black Phillip, your mind.

SPEAKER_01 39:45

The goats are just fighting. That's why the goats hang. So uh later, Billy senses something wrong nearby and finds the bodies of three men who have been flayed Hold on. Let me scroll. The team arrives at the rebel camp without being detected, expect except we see something with deep vision watching them. Dutchin is his team destroy the camp in an all-out assault and kill all the rebels. I mean, they fucking demolish the camp. Yeah, they can't explosions, glore. If there were any hostages, they're fucking dead.

SPEAKER_02 40:19

What do you think about like I thought it was uh interesting that you know there's one hostage left. Usually they save one, but they killed him right away. Yeah. And then also the ammunition that these people, these soldiers are using is ridiculously strong. With the one grenade and the whole thing explodes.

SPEAKER_04 40:39

Yeah, grenades are super powerful.

SPEAKER_01 40:41

There must have just been like uh just like thousands of gallons of kerosene gas somewhere. Um, this is also the second movie where they use a uh truck as a grenade.

SPEAKER_02 40:52

Yeah, I love watching Arnold do crazy muscle stuff. Because there's something else he did in another movie that was like ridiculously couldn't do. Uh I don't I don't know if it was true lies or something else.

SPEAKER_01 41:06

Let me pick up this truck. Yeah. But also, like before it kind of goes into like the explosions galore, there is like the little sneaking around, like Arnold just kind of like crawling around. And I was like, man, he seems like he's doing a really good job at like staying sneaky. Um, which is you know, he's a giant human being. So it's like I was like, man, he's pretty agile, like crawling on his shoulder uh elbows, and then you have like everybody coming in and doing their little sneak kills, and I'm like, I can't. I never think about the opening parts of Predator when I think about Predator. It's all Arnold versus Predator. And then I'm just like, man, there is a really good movie here at the beginning. Yeah, it's like you know, it's a good action movie.

SPEAKER_02 41:43

Well, even with him picking up the truck, which is still like someone his size, is kind of believable because um and then him just trying to have like you know the bag to it, yeah, and him like putting the bomb on it and making it roll into that. I was like, that's kind of actually good, pretty small. Seems pretty cool. It's like who was Rambo on set somewhere?

SPEAKER_01 42:00

And then on Hill or Highwater, they do that.

SPEAKER_04 42:02

And if you have you read the uh Halo books, I've read uh a few of them. So in the um the fight for Reach, I think The Fall of Reach. The Fall of Reach. Yeah, that's they do this, and I think they stole it from this movie, right?

SPEAKER_02 42:16

It's been a while since I've read that movie.

SPEAKER_04 42:18

I mean, it makes sense. I mean, alien stuff.

SPEAKER_02 42:20

I haven't read Hall of Reach in a long time. I went through the one book that was basically the first game. Yeah. It was really good to read that one. I love those books. That was fun.

SPEAKER_04 42:28

Yeah. Master Chief, come back and fight the predator. That's the crossover we need. Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:35

So uh Mac reports to Dutch that there are no live hostages. However, Dutch hits a lone, terrified woman with the butt of his gun. There's no Hannah. There's no more hostages because we killed all of them. Yeah, we uh we killed all the things. It's like, well, there is like 10 bodies completely charred to Chris. It could be one of the one could be a hostage.

SPEAKER_02 42:53

I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_01 42:57

They just do the suicide squad thing where it's like, we actually weren't bad guys at all. Such a good part of that movie. So uh Mac tells Dutch he believes that one of the men the gorillas captured might have been a CIA agent and that something big was due to take place. We also get the line, I ain't got time to bleed. Well, you got time to duck. Quack. Is John Wicky or something? So Dutch realizes they have been set up and confronts Dylan. Dylan confirms that Dutch and his team were merely pawns to destroy the camp and its men. Dylan says that they are assets for him to use, that they are expendable later movie. But Dutch disagrees.

SPEAKER_02 43:44

And John Claw Bad Dan's baggage, the first one, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:46

Or is it the parser?

SPEAKER_04 43:49

I love how he was he just grabbed a handful of papers. He's like, Yes, yes, this is everything I need.

SPEAKER_01 43:56

This is more than we asked for. And it's like, what papers are you?

SPEAKER_02 43:59

And you were. Coming for papers while everything's on fire?

SPEAKER_01 44:01

We literally no no have no idea this entire movie what this was all for.

SPEAKER_02 44:06

It's funny thing about expendables, because I watched uh the Jetly movie The One Last Night. Oh, nice. Yeah. Been a while since I've seen it.

SPEAKER_00 44:14

Is that the way he fights a bunch of himself?

SPEAKER_02 44:15

Kind of he fights more of like in one side. No, it's not a bunch of himself, it's like a prison world. Um which is funny because I was sitting there watching and I was like, oh, I forgot Jason Statham's in it. Not only is he in it, he's in it with hair.

SPEAKER_04 44:30

Horrible.

SPEAKER_02 44:31

I have the best hairdo in this movie.

SPEAKER_01 44:34

It takes me five hours a day to make it look like this.

SPEAKER_02 44:37

Well, I've been like, I don't like wanting to watch, I think it's because it's seafood. I've been wanting to watch martial arts movies.

SPEAKER_01 44:42

They are great. You need to watch uh the Jackie Chan Drunken Master.

SPEAKER_02 44:45

They just released like uh volume two of his stuff, like all in Blu-ray. Oh really? Like all the stuff.

SPEAKER_01 44:49

I was like, I didn't go there's volume one.

SPEAKER_02 44:50

But like Drunken Master fucking love that was I looked up that stuff, uh best martial art movies in like so many, like Drunken Master, three like Jet Lee movies, several of Jackie Chan movies. Police story on them? I didn't see Police Story recommended. Did you ever watch that yet?

SPEAKER_00 45:04

You should watch it.

SPEAKER_02 45:05

Oh, it's because it's foreign, I have to fool you, like watch it.

SPEAKER_01 45:09

I just don't want to read. I'm sorry. I watch anime.

SPEAKER_02 45:13

Shut up.

First Kills, Green Blood, And Panic

SPEAKER_01 45:14

Alright, so the team's gonna head to the Chopper, uh, to the Chopper pickup point with Anna in tow. However, they are being tracked by an unseen enemy that sees their body heat signatures and in it imitates their voice. Billy is the only one that seems to sense it. He's constantly stopping and staring at the trees, but it's staring back. Um, so uh this is we get the second pussy joke, right? Uh that Shane Black says it's the echo one. And it's funny that the moot that's where he the predator learns to laugh. And then the ending, the you know, terrifying ending of this movie is the predator laugh, which comes about because of a bad joke. It was just like I was watching it this time, I was like, this is just making me think about the stupid pussy job.

SPEAKER_04 46:03

Because predators are famous for their giant pussies.

SPEAKER_02 46:07

If you look at their mouth, yeah, when it's opened, just imagine literally when I was getting my tattoo as my tattoo artist like, hey, have you ever like you know the predator's mouth? It's like, yeah, you know what it looks like. I know exactly what it looks like. He's like, So that's what I'm just tattooing.

SPEAKER_01 46:22

Teeth and all.

SPEAKER_02 46:23

I will say, like, in this moment, you still haven't seen it, you don't know what's there. And this is where you finally see him, like, you have the vision, you hear it recording everything. Yeah, it's amazing. And then you come my favorite part because you're like, what's going on? And then you just see the silhouette of its hands scorpion up.

SPEAKER_01 46:39

So hard for us to see, just like visually. And you see him like almost like zooming in, and so I'm like, oh, so he's like zooming in with his mask, and then like you see him, and he's like really close to all this stuff, and it's like, is this zoomed in? And then he puts his hand out and he's like, shit, he's walking around, and I don't know, and then like his hand's a terrifying monster, and it's just like he needs a manicure. He needs a manicure. Yeah, I did put it like in my notes. I was like, this is so dope. Like just seeing like just the visualization of how he's mimicking and the little sidebar there.

SPEAKER_02 47:08

I'm like, cool, don't use any new iconic like the hand. Monsters that mimic are horrifying, monster designs anymore that surprise you.

SPEAKER_01 47:18

And then also I kind of skipped over it, but there's a part where they're about to leave and Dylan's about to leave, and Max's like, hey, Dylan, come here, and he like stabs the score.

SPEAKER_05 47:26

Oh, the scorpion?

SPEAKER_01 47:28

Yeah, and it's just like bro, Mac or Dylan, Max's gonna kill you. I don't know. Like, you could have just swatted that away. And then that's where we get the line, it's like, hey, come here. And the witches used throughout the film. Over here. Over here. Over here.

unknown 47:40

Over here.

SPEAKER_01 47:41

So while they make their way through the jam jungle, Anna tries to escape the group, and Hawkins, uh, Shane Black follows. When he catches her, a distorted human-like figure rushes out of the jungle and kills Hawkins. Yeah, it's great. Because like he catches her and then she just kind of looks over his shoulder, and this is where you get the first view of the distorted thing, and it's like kind of slow motion, it's kind of weird. And then like gush of blood. Yes, and then he just drags him into the forest. Yeah, hell yeah. Oh, so the woman's left behind, terrified, and covered in Hawkins' blood. Dutch's Spanish crew member Poncho asks Anna what happened. All she can say is the jungle came alive and took him.

SPEAKER_02 48:19

Yeah, which is a valid like explanation. Like, yeah, I don't know. How do you explain it? Because you know she wouldn't know what cloaking stuff is.

SPEAKER_01 48:25

I just was like, a bear.

SPEAKER_04 48:27

I I don't know. Can we leave? Well, I love how Dutch was also like, it's not, it's not her blood. It's not her blood. It doesn't taste. Why didn't she escape?

SPEAKER_02 48:34

She's like, I'm fucking safe with you guys.

SPEAKER_01 48:36

Yeah, it's like I'm just gonna stay here. Um, so um Dutch orders a quick sweep of the area to find Hawkins' body, which is seen up high in a tree hung upside down. Look. Is he flayed in that one?

SPEAKER_04 48:48

Yeah, his blood is all dripping down. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:51

And then it because like Arnold's right under it, and then he walks away.

SPEAKER_00 48:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:55

So the team's largest man, Blaine, Jesse Ventura, is hit twice by a laser-like blast of energy that blow out of his chist. Yeah, it's rat as hell. He falls dead, and his friend Mac rushes in to kiss him.

SPEAKER_02 49:08

Ah, and then just decides to make a clearing for our house. Shoot the forest! Yeah, I love how nobody asks questions. They're just guns lazy. I was like, look, if there was someone there, they would probably be dead. 200 rounds from a minigun. They shot, like, I was like, oh my god, it's gone.

SPEAKER_01 49:30

Because he he likes, and like we see that he sees the like distortion of the predator, and then it flashes like yellow eyes, and it's really cool. Then he opens fire. He's like the minigun, everybody just kind of runs in, they're all just like, where this fucking shooting. Questions later. Um, I put they should open a long care business. Just yeah, we need this floors cleared out.

SPEAKER_02 49:52

Look, I ain't gonna lie. When Tyler had this semi-automatic shotgun, we were down like in the little area where Creek was, and there was just a small root like hand size, and I loaded his up and I was like and they cleared it out. Oh, nice.

SPEAKER_03 50:07

Well, that was fun.

SPEAKER_02 50:09

I wonder they did that in Predator.

SPEAKER_00 50:10

Come over to our house. You'll complain I killed something else.

SPEAKER_04 50:14

Kill all these uh kill your foundation of your house.

SPEAKER_02 50:18

I'll just start shooting thosquitoes. Also, do you Yeah, that'd be nice.

SPEAKER_01 50:22

Do you think like at any point someone should have said, hey, we're wasting our bullets? We might need these guns later.

SPEAKER_02 50:31

They thought they probably whatever was there was gone.

SPEAKER_04 50:34

They also thought that they were gonna get picked up really soon. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 50:38

I don't know. Maybe just like after the first, like we'll say they shot for five minutes. Maybe after the first two minutes, we say, we might need these bullets later. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 50:46

Well, they probably came up, someone else is dead. They're gonna just sit down, don't ask questions, just shoot.

Traps, Night Watch, And Rising Tension

SPEAKER_01 50:50

Because even if they killed the predator, all like the whatever gorilla troops in the area would be like, D'all hear that? Maybe we should go to that sound. Yeah, they killed all the gorilla troops. Yeah, they killed the bad guys. Maybe that, but I mean, that's the amount, the sounds they could tell. They killed every bad guy in the jungle for fine. They killed every bad guy. These were the last of the bad guys. So after checking the area in front of him, Poncho tells Dutch that they didn't didn't hit anything living. A close close inspection of Blaine's wounds showed no sign of shrapnel or gunpowder burns.

SPEAKER_04 51:20

Excuse me, Poncho. You shot everything in the forest. Yeah. There had to be some.

SPEAKER_02 51:25

To be fair, they did hit it.

SPEAKER_04 51:27

Uh actually, guys, uh, you did hit one living thing. Yeah, just what?

SPEAKER_01 51:32

It was a buddy rabbit you chose. Um, when asked what he saw, a terrified mic, Mac is unable to identify the enemy. Only Anna finds green glowing fluid on a large leaf. Ew.

SPEAKER_02 51:44

The first time before they get that formula down to make because they added the CGI glow to it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 51:49

It was Mountain Dew. Hey, Anna, you wanna like not touch that? Say, like, hey, there's some green goo down here, guys. Y'all think that might be the blood? Yeah. This ectoplasm's weird. Probably not from an alien. So Mac, he's like, I'm gonna set up a bunch of goddamn traps.

SPEAKER_02 52:09

The whole commando squad is she's seeing plenty of aliens. Because they're in her land.

SPEAKER_01 52:20

All right, Quagmire. Testing. So yeah, Mac sets up a bunch of traps for whatever is after them. He then mourns his friend Blaine, who was his friend, you know. His friend.

SPEAKER_02 52:33

Well, in that moment when he said it, he's like, he was a good soldier, and he's like, Well, it was my friend. It shows more than it was just like I saw it as like he's not just our co-worker, he was more to me. And I was like, I feel bad for him.

SPEAKER_01 52:43

It's just in these in these like big, like buff action movies, the men really love each other. They just can't show it. Yeah, they love each other, and that's why everybody has to die because they love each other too much. So deep. Just like in Top Gun. In another part of the jungle.

SPEAKER_04 53:00

They take a volleyball break.

SPEAKER_01 53:03

Come on, guys. Predator comes in and comes out, spikes it.

SPEAKER_02 53:06

And like it gets it gets like real quiet, and everybody's like, oh predator's like, nah, I think you just made like a robot chicken sketch that could have happened.

SPEAKER_01 53:22

Hell yeah. So in another part of the jungle, the distorted humanoid sits down on a tree branch. The distortion turns out to be a high-tech camouflaging device that can bend light, creating an illusion of invulnerability. The enemy has been wounded in the thigh, dripping the same sort of fluid Anna had found. It is the creature's blood. It's a it produces a small wound care kit and singingly pulls the bullet out of his leg, letting out a loud inhuman roar that the team hears.

SPEAKER_04 53:48

Yeah, you'd think you'd be more manly.

SPEAKER_01 53:50

Yeah, right. Makes him invulnerable? No, that's not what I said.

SPEAKER_02 53:55

You said it gives him invulnerability. Well, I meant to say involvement.

SPEAKER_01 53:59

Invisibility. Did I say invulnerability? I meant to say invisibility. Um it's hard picking up things when we got giant goofy ass plastic hands.

SPEAKER_04 54:08

You see that when he grabs a thing. It's like somebody with super I mean, I guess when you have super long nails.

SPEAKER_02 54:15

It's like if half yeah, you can't like if half your fingers were long fingers. You can't feel it. You can't like you don't have the dexterity to do it.

SPEAKER_01 54:21

I saw that was I mean, he did a pretty good job, but you could tell that there was a little struggle with a little like I saw one guy who was at a con who had a perfect predator suit and was watching how he ate.

SPEAKER_02 54:33

He had this crazy looking suitcase, opened up smoke coming out of it, and it was his it was his lunch. It was a protein shake. So he takes his fingers off so he can grab it. A straw, but there's still like it just slid off like that. So he's still grabbing, he's grabbing a straw, and like he has a hole like where his mouth is. So he does take the mask off, so he just sits there and puts a straw on it. So you just see this predator within the protein shake just drinking it away.

SPEAKER_01 54:58

Yeah, maybe that's what he was doing with all of them. And sitting next to him was someone as a xenomorph just leaning over the plate of food and like opens his costume's mouth, and then like his full head just comes out and smashes my head.

SPEAKER_04 55:12

It's like it drills into the the blender to dissolve that a little more so I can blend it. That's hilarious.

Mac & Dylan’s Hunt And Deaths

SPEAKER_02 55:20

And just imagine watching this movie and like all the tech you see, because that tech was still kind of cool, wondering what it is, which is one of my complaints about the newer one. It's just all like red lasers and stuff like this. Yeah, lasers are cool. Lasers are cool. Their blades reminded me of the ones from the uh uh The Last Jedi, the guard people. It's literally like that, kind of like the bad guys are in the movie, like no, the weapons that the predator. Oh, like the little like purple. Well, it's like the bl the blade. It's a blade, but it has an electric edge to it. That's like all their weapons in the world.

SPEAKER_01 55:54

Um, so Dutch's team is edgy and scared. Billy says we're all gonna die through the night. The team panics at every little sound or hint of movement. They create a perimeter of flare tubes and tripwire. Smack takes the first watch while reminiscing about his dead friend. He hears an odd noise. Turns out a giant damn boar comes attacking him. Cause he's like, we sit there, he's you see him fighting it, and then he's like stabbing something. Then when it comes out, everybody's like, dang, you killed something big. Oh, it's a boar. And it's like, shut up. I did the best I could. Um but yeah. Boars are nasty. And then after all that's calmed down a bit, they discover that Blaine's body has been stolen.

unknown 56:36

No.

SPEAKER_01 56:36

Who took her body? Yeah. Then Dusty body. Dutch gets frustrated to ask Anna once again what she saw, and now suddenly speaking English, said that it changes color based off what's around it. Dutch determines that their unseen enemy is not only killing them one by one, but also methodically hunting them. Anna tells them that if it that it bleeds, and if it bleeds, we can kill it. The team constructs a trap from jungle vines, which from a net and an elaborate system of tripwires. Because um, but yeah, that's kind of a lot, but yeah, she just speaks English now.

SPEAKER_02 57:09

It's it's uh a thing to make it seem like you're less aware than you are. Because if she was like with a gorilla group, she could be taking in information too.

SPEAKER_01 57:17

Well, I just felt like after the invisible thing kills something, that's when you start speaking English. Well, she's sitting here trying to process what the fuck just happened. I'd be like, you're like, what? The jungle? Why don't you speak English? She'd be like, I saw something invisible, come and kill somebody, don't know what else to say. Um and also exclusive. Uh I do like that Dylan's like, what the hell are we doing with all this Boy Scout shit? And he's like, he can see the tripwires, obviously, so now we're just gonna make it out of like vines and shit.

SPEAKER_02 57:45

And it's like, ah, smart. Because he's like, oh, he's doing he's going through the trees.

unknown 57:50

Like, oh.

SPEAKER_01 57:51

I was just like, oh yeah, it's like, well, obviously, our man-made tripwires aren't working. Let's use like nature.

SPEAKER_02 57:57

And you get another scene of everybody flexing. That's when I saw like Carl Weather's when he was like flexing. I was like, damn, your chest is fucking built, dude.

SPEAKER_01 58:04

Got some big old boobies. So they sit and wait for the creature. Mac waits while by shaving intensely. Ada talks about a legendary demon that stalked her village in times of extremely hot weather. She says that men were found skinned in missing body parts. And it's like, what is this predators keeps coming here just terrorizing this little section? It was after her. It's like, what the heck?

SPEAKER_04 58:27

He's trying to impress her. Yeah. So he never got the chance to ask her. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 58:31

It's like, hey, uh, I know last time we met, you were 14, but Well, you know her daughter was in AVB.

SPEAKER_02 58:38

That's her daughter? No, I don't know. I'll just make that up. I mean, that's what would happen now. That's exactly what I would say. That's what they did.

SPEAKER_01 58:44

If they did a legacy sequel, it'd be like, I'm the daughter of the first girl that didn't really do much in a movie. Yeah. So Dutch and Dylan think that the trap won't work without live baits, so Dutch carefully walks out into the clearing among the tripwires. Because like everything is set up with tripwires except for this one little section. So it's like, well, no, he's got to come through here. There's a joke point.

SPEAKER_04 59:03

There's they've just got no patience.

SPEAKER_01 59:04

Yeah. And as he turns around, the trap goes off and something is tangled in the net. Laser blasts shoot from the net, hitting the trap's anchoring tree trunk, which detaches and swings into Poncho. Ouch! Hitting him square in the chest and severely injuring him. Did Poncho make it? No, he gets shot later.

SPEAKER_02 59:21

Oh, that's right.

SPEAKER_01 59:22

That's right.

SPEAKER_02 59:22

Oh, I remember saying, God damn, Poncho didn't even do anything.

SPEAKER_01 59:25

I was like, why do you think that's a good one? Mano Imano. So Dylan sees the distortion of the stalker's camouflage. As it flees into the jungle, Mac instantly takes off after the creature seeking revenge over Dutch's orders from him to return. Dutch, Poncho, Billy, and Anna all leave to meet the Joppa while Dylan runs after Mac. It's like, hell yeah.

SPEAKER_02 59:47

But she creates a moment because once uh Mac is killed, what's uh Carl Weather's characters? Dylan. Dylan? Yeah, Dylan sees it and he's like, You guys gotta get out of here. He's like, What happens? Well maybe ribbon off of me. He's like, no, I just saw fucked up shit. We gotta get out.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:00

Yeah, Dylan's like, I just now realize that I have some kind of love for these people.

River Escape, Mud Trick, And Reveal

SPEAKER_01 1:00:07

Yeah, it's like I all of a sudden, well, it's because it's like he put them in this situation and now he feels bad about it. Well, he shouldn't feel bad because he screwed everyone over there. Yeah, but he can't. That's why it feels bad and he wants to go in.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:18

Well, he can handle it taking like when it if it's people, he rationalizes we can take it. They're just getting us. They're just really good. But when you saw that, it's like, uh no, we're we're we're fucked.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:30

Yeah, I don't know. That just seemed really out of character for me.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:33

That's the typical thing of like the vape bad guy. It's like I sacrificed myself.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:37

Yeah. It's like I have to redeem myself for making all these men come out here for no reason for papers that we don't even have anymore. And we don't even know what they said. So they didn't even bring him. Yeah. So Dylan's kind of walking through the forest looking for Mac, and then Mac's like, Hey, I'm over here. And Dylan's like, Where the hell is this guy? And then uh he like pulls him into this little hole, and uh yeah, so he finds Mac who's going crazy, having himself some fun. Because he's like, whenever he's kind of walking away, he starts singing and he's like, Yeah, he's singing a little richer song. We're gonna have some fun. And I'm like, A long tall, was it a long tall lady or something? Something like that. Yeah. Um, so Mac has found their enemy, camped out in a tree stand. The two agree on a plan to approach it silently and kill it. Um bring a sniper rifle.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:26

They did not bring a single long-range ship.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:30

It's like, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:31

Bring a mini gun to that guy's credit, carrying a minigun through the forest like that, and then being able to still sneak up.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:37

Too bad he used all the bullets for that gun because he probably could have killed him then.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:41

He literally could have used it to shoot, like, we think he's on that tree branch, not anymore.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:44

Just murder the whole forest, and then you're fine. Just burn it. Just burn it. What do we need it for? So, while crawling through the underbush, Mac notices a three-pointed laser pattern on his arm, and he's like, Well, maybe I should poke my head out to see what it is. And then what's this?

SPEAKER_04 1:02:00

Yes. It looks like his head explodes when it happens, but then you see his head and it's like normal. It deadly explodes.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:08

Especially since we see later that uh that blast uh cuts an arm in half. Which we're getting to right now. Dylan finds him dead. A few minutes later, Dylan is attacked by the stalker who fires a laser blast that severs one of his arms. Dylan tries to defend himself, but is impaled by one large double-bladed weapon that comes out of his suit, which lifts him clear off the ground.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:29

And the arm keeps shooting. Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:35

Unlimited power. Still moving towards the church. The rest of the team cross a large tree trunk bridge. Billy sensing the presence of the enemy, throws away his rifle and faces it alone, armed only with a machete, but uh dumbass is quickly killed. That was dumb. Yeah. He threw a whole gun in the water. I've seen this guy kill everyone easily, and he's invisible. Let me get it.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:00

Well, I think he sees it as like you're a warrior type of that battle thing. This silly stuff.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:06

Honor sucks.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:07

It's just like it's just kind of like uh well, maybe he's like, I'll take the gun away and let's try and fight mono mono.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:13

Yeah, I know, but like that's real dumb.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:16

They're men, they're trying to be like, I'm gonna try and you never do that first as the good guy in the movie. You let the bad guy do it.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:24

If he's got a laser cannon, and if I uh if he has a laser cannon, all I've got is a nine millimeter pistol, and if I throw the pistol away, he stops using the laser cannon, I'm gonna do it.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:31

Yeah, but he didn't they didn't have that discussion.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:34

He just knew.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:37

I think we need to have some therapy between the predator and yeah, Billy Billy needs to work some things out. Uh maybe he will in heaven. Because he's the one who got his spine and skull ripped out as the trophy. So Dutch, Anna, and Poncho stop, and Poncho is killed by a laser blast. Anna picks up a gun to shoot, but Dutch kicks it away and says, You get back in the kitchen. Just kidding. Well, he kicks it away because he thinks that the predator will kill her if she's gonna be. Yeah, because he notices like, oh, he didn't kill her because she was unarmed. No, like you're just like Carl Weather's. You don't know how to use that. Which doesn't make sense. There you go.

Final Duel: Fire, Spears, And “Kill Me Now”

SPEAKER_02 1:04:17

I don't understand it. He shot Carl Weather's arm off. He had no weapon.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:21

Yeah, but he already tried to shoot him.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:23

But he had no weapon.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:24

At that point, it was like it's on. Another laser blast hits Dutch rifle, blowing it in half and throwing him back. Dutch yells for Anna to run. The get the chopper. But there is no jump. And then he crawls away. Dutch ends up sliding down a hill that drops him off a cliff into a river. Um, and love this shit because it's obviously not Arnold making the jumps. It looks like some guy and some sunglasses. Um, but it looks dope and it's rules. Um, and then Dutch swims to the other side and is resting on a muddy bank when his pursuer splashes down behind him. Dutch, weaponless and covered in mud, waits for his enemy to kill him.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:02

And the predator gets out and he's like, Oh sweet. It's cold.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:15

Um, so then the enemy surfaces.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:19

I was sorry, I just sit here and thought like how beyond that, like the predators like when he takes his mask off, it's kind of like when a woman takes her bra off because his mandibles are squished in there. Oh finally, yes, finally.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:35

You guys are funny. The enemy surfaces and turns out to be a large humanoid alien possessing advanced weaponry weaponry, the adaptive camouflage device that concealed it from Dutch and his team appears to be malfunctioning due to exposure to the water, and a creature switches it off. It spots a target in the bush and tracks it.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:56

Uh three beamed laser scope.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:00

I know. And it's like it's like shoots at the small rodent uh with his cannon. What the fuck is he doing? Yeah. It's just well, he saw he's I think he thought like someone was hiding in the tree. Sure. So he shoots it. And that weasel like runs out, like, hey, what the hell is this? Can he mind my own damn business around here?

SPEAKER_02 1:06:16

You back again. I told you not to come back around here.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:19

You just wait until we get advanced technology. We're coming to your house, buddy.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:23

Oh, I can't wait for that movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:25

Attack of the Weasels. It's just uh Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 4. But the alien doesn't see Dutch, whose body heat is insulated by mud on its skin. The creature stalks off. This whole scene, though, fucking rips and roars, baby. Iconic. Just like seeing him splash down into the water, comes out, gets mud all over him. Arnold looks fucking spectacular, just like with his giant wide eyes like as big as possible. And then like when it drops into the water and then it finally reveals itself.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:58

It's like it is really dope. But but Mythbusters busted this myth.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:05

Which was what?

SPEAKER_04 1:07:06

That covering yourself in mud. This never happened. That covering yourself in mud actually you just Oh, I did watch that one. Just warms up the mud. Yeah and makes it easier for you to be sick. It would eventually not work, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:18

Well, he jumped in water, so his body heat probably cooled down. Yeah. And it was in a cool bank.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:22

Yeah, Jason. Did the Mythbusters bust that? Or did they just I don't think so.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:27

Because I was I like I understand what they're saying. He would warm up the mud, but he literally swam in that water, probably cooled himself off, climbed in the bank that had mo mo a lot cold mud will be cold mud regardless. And he was covered in it.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:39

It would be enough where that thing probably is like Well, it just goes to show that predator needs some glasses. Yeah, he just like he needs something.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:47

You sit here, you see this creature, and you think, man, do you think people looked at it as like, is it a mask? Or do they think that was his face? And then like you didn't even realize you don't have the full reveal of the predator.

Themes, Takeaways, And Three-Act Structure

SPEAKER_01 1:07:58

Yeah, yeah, that'll be spectacular. You remember those videos of like um people putting on uh colorblind glasses for like the first time? I think like Logan Paul did it as one of them, or Jake Paul. But it's like, what if like someone came out like Logan Paul or Jake Paul? Predator, put these on. I swear there's gotta be something like that. It's like you only see red, we'll now look at the other colors. Everything's blue.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:24

The predator's like there's there was a skit.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:31

Becomes an artist.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:34

It just made me think of it. It was uh, oh, the Empire is now offering uh free uh laser vision, uh laser LASIK search, yeah, and then all the troopers get it and they're able to hit every single shot then. Yeah, and they're like, oh, okay. Like they killed the rebel alliance. It's like, well, this is super easy.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:52

Yeah, I just like to think they can't see in those helmets at all.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:55

Well, that's why that guy bonked his head.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:57

Do you guys think like uh we could have bigger eye holes in these scenes?

SPEAKER_02 1:09:01

Well, if you look at the design of the stormtrooper and where your face sits, it doesn't work for how far away the eyes are.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:09

Maybe they just use the predator design, and when they open the blast doors, they all they see is this bright red and they can't see shit.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:17

All I see is red from red lightsabers.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:20

Just shoot. Just shit.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:22

Stormtroopers, more like storm poopers. Oh, yeah. Sorry, I thought about that five minutes ago. I had no way to put it in, so there it is.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:32

So that's what she said. I love it.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:34

Dutch mounts an offensive, choosing a strategic spot and sets a garroding trap with spikes. Dutch also builds a bow and several arrows with gunpowder. It's so good. I was sitting there spare grenades and bashing some space.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:48

When he was doing the getting the tension on the bow, I was sitting there walking around trying to do some stuff, and I just stopped, looked at it, like, damn, Arnold. I know.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:56

All the guys in the theater is just like I've never JO'd to a man before. So he also covers himself in mud to further his advantage. Meanwhile, the creature rips the spinal column from and skull from Billy's corpse, cleaning it to make a trophy. We see the skulls of several other horns.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:17

I love how he burns them to like get all the flesh off. It's beautiful. I love it at the end, too.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:22

Because he says that he like pets, like, oh, I love you so much, you were worth it.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:25

Jeffrey Dahmer, do you think that's a good one? I'm gonna name you sprinkles.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:27

Jeffrey Dahmer, eat your heart out.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:31

Well, he just bathed his victims in like acid. No, he ate them too. Well, I mean, just the no, but he had preserved skulls, and but he would put the bodies in like some kind of acid to get those the meat off, like taxidermists do.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:44

See, drilling holes in people's god ladies out there, predator's better than he is because he at least took them out.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:50

Ladies out there, you gotta just make sure your your husbands have like better hobbies, you know. He was gay. You get stuck. Men out there, make sure your husbands have better hobbies.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:02

It's okay, but he became a Christian right before he died, so he's in heaven now. Sure. He is.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:08

We got another one.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:09

Send up there with Jesus. We got another one.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:12

Let's go, baby.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:19

That's why I was laughing. Yeah. I'm rooming for you, Daumber.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:24

So Dutch fires one of his explosive arrows at the creature. Oh, wait. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. When he's ready, Dutch lights a large bonfire and sounds out a primitive yellow summoning the alien. The alien arrives and crawls over the unseen Dutch. Fucking rolls. Dutch fires one of his explosive arrows at the creature, permanently disabling its invisibility device. Dope shot of Arnold with a predator showing up behind him. He like just jumps down and you just like see Arnold covered in mice.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:01

So the uh the uh predator fires wildly trying to hit Dutch. Beautiful shots of him lighting up the woods, yeah. Shooting on location. There's no fucking colour. Beautiful, no CGI anywhere. It's just amazing. Just see it.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:18

Like the shot keeps getting wider and wider, and it's just like can you please watch Badlands after that quote you just said right there?

SPEAKER_01 1:12:24

I know. Well, I mean, just from the trailer, it it just like the CGI didn't look very good. It's all it's just like I mean, and that was that was kind of the problem with prey and some elements with the CGI.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:34

Yeah, but at least the Predator had more moments of like real.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:39

Watching this, I was I was sitting here, I was like, God, we need I'm ready for fanning to show up so I could stop seeing the CG because it's it's killing me. I need some like real predictions. No, it's what L fanning. L Fanning, it's her sister. Yeah, it's her sister. Really? Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:53

It's the fanning sisters. I was I was like, should I say fanny shit sisters? Is it an older sister or younger sister? Is she taller? She's short. I just need to watch the movie. She is younger. She's in like super eight. She's in like she's in the Oh my god, that was her. Yeah, yeah. She's in like a shit ton of stuff that you've seen, probably.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:14

She's gotten like a lot more roles. She was in something else that just came out recently, too. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:18

She's done a lot of indie stuff. Well, she's also in Death Shanging, too.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:22

Oh, that was what I was thinking of.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:23

Peace tomorrow. That's coming out. PC issue tomorrow. I can't remember. Um, so the predator uh fires wildly trying to hit Dutch. Beautiful shots lighting up the woods. Dutch skitters away to his next location. He runs into the predator um and then like starts holding on to a log to hide, um, which is great. Dutch hits the hidden predator with his exploding spear and now has a spear with a knife on it. Because there's like a scene because like he kind of gets away, the predator's sitting up in the tree, and they're kind of doing this cat and mouse thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:55

Then he he like throws a rock, and then the predator's like, oh he's like, I obviously can't see unless it's him.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:02

It's coming right for me.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:03

He's so stressed out right now. He's like, I have no invisibility. He's like, Hey, can we just have a second?

SPEAKER_01 1:14:12

Dude, my cloak's gone. It's like, come on, you're in mud. This ain't fair.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:17

This is fair. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:19

And then like hilarious. And then like he starts shooting the laser at Arnold, he throws a spear, hits the predator. He's like, oh. And then uh yeah, so now it's just kind of like comes down to the two of them, one with uh one with a spear or the knife on it. So he follows the predator's glowing blood, but it's a trap. The predator sneaks behind him, but Dutch has one last trick with an exploding arrowhead and then flies into the pond. I'm like, what type of I guess he just wrapped I guess it's him when he was wrapping all the gunpowder into the big explosion too for two. I guess he just like tied a match to it and like.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:52

Well, I think the whole area had like I thought the whole, because it seemed like it was another trap too, he had set up.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:58

Everything is a trap.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:00

Everything's a trap.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:02

So we know what the real trap was.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:04

If it the thirst trap?

SPEAKER_02 1:15:06

No. Chris Hansen could have come in. Yeah. Why don't you have a seat for me? Don't you have a seat?

SPEAKER_04 1:15:10

So I hear you're a predator. I just can't help it.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:20

She said she was 18. I don't know why I gave him that voice. More like a robot voice. So the predator captures him in a pond. After a brief examination of his human opponent, the creature removes its helmet, revealing its face. Deep set eyes with large mandibles on both sides of its mouth. You're one ugly motherfucker. Say that every day when a little bit of a channel.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:52

Do they really do it as much in the other ones? I don't know. They do it in the first two. And they did it in Alien vs. Predator. Uh I don't know. It was kind of I always think it was like, I've got a bad feeling about this. Because it's it rhymes.

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SPEAKER_01 1:16:09

Yeah, well. Or we're just like out of ideas, and so we're just gonna keep using the same lines at the end.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:14

After they did stick around, you're like, that's it. That's all we got. Stick around. We just need to make them up out after this.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:21

Um, so it engages Dutch hand to hand, a battle where the alien has the advantage of strength over Dutch. Because it's like, yeah, the prayer takes off all this shit. Yeah, and then I love when they start fighting, you got the goofy ass punching noises that sound like whips. It literally sound like whips when the punches are so fast.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:39

Punches this cleat, like the classic, he hits it, he's like, oh, bad idea. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:43

It's like, oh no.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:46

Should have lifted more weights.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:48

So Dutch draws the creature into the spike trap he set, yelling for it, Come on, kill me, come on here, do it now. I feel like I'm like just like just a pitch away from going into Ray Romano doing. Do it now. It's like they're very similar, I feel like.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:12

I can't do it. Oh man, I saw that episode.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:14

Yeah. So uh the creature discovers the trap and walks around behind Dutch. As it moves in, Dutch notices it's standing directly under the trap's counterweight. Dutch kicks away the trigger pin and the counterweight plummets, crushing the alien. It's just like, uh, what is it? Some zombie land shit. Oh, the piano. Yeah. You do that. I do like that movie. It's fun. Yeah, it is. It's not like great, like I remember it being great, but it's still like it's still a fun movie. I never saw double tap.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:45

I don't wonder if it was any good.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:47

So Dutch moves in to finish it off with a large rock, but throws it away. When he sees the alien is already wounded fatally, Dutch asks, What the hell are you? And the creature repeats the phrase, What the hell are you, bro? Yeah. Right, because that was just him asking, like, what are you? How did you kill me? Uh it opens a panel on its gauntlet and activates a timer, laughing hysterically.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:10

That laugh is just so yes, maniacal.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:15

That's the laugh of a man who just heard a joke about a vagina. That's what's like an echo. Yeah. Remember? And uh Arnold looks at it as like, yikes, time to get out of here. As he does, the creature laughs, imitating Billy. A small nuclear explosion goes off as Dutch leaps to cover in a helicopter flying nearby. General Phillips and Anna see the explosion. They see Dutch in an incinerated patch of rainforest. Dutch is recovered, looking physically exhausted. They pick him up. We just get a close-up of his face. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:50

He's like in the smoke. He's just like staring off into the distance.

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SPEAKER_01 1:18:55

It's like the the helicopter lands. Like, did I look cool? They're like, nah, it kind of looked weird. It's like, go, can you come back? Yeah, go back and try it again. Try it again, try it again. I probably thought I'll look cooler. Um, and that's Predator. Yeah. Yeah. What is the point of predator, guys?

SPEAKER_02 1:19:10

You know, it's okay if you want to dip, just don't spit on people's bits.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:13

Yeah, come on. It's like, oh, you can dip on a helicopter, but you can't smoke on a helicopter. So what will the woke mafia take words in the sense? Oh no, I said mafia instead of mob. They they say the same thing. Um, I put boom, pow, explosion. Minds testosterone.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:33

Yeah. Mindless. Action, I would say, especially before it gets to like the predator.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:42

Just feels like we're gonna make because once it gets to the point of like first part of the movie, it could be its own movie when they're attacking the rebels.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:50

Second part, when they're getting hunted, is like in my opinion, like its own movie with them trying to survive. Third part, just just one lone survivor trying to fight against uh unstoppable force he can't.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:04

It really isn't about it really is like a movie set up in three different parts.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:07

I love it.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:07

Yeah, it's great. Um Yeah, and it's also just about like, you know, like we gotta treat our military better, man. We can't just send them into these missions. Yeah, we can. For papers. It's like it goes all the way in, it's like, yes, my rolling papers. I knew I left them here. Um, but yeah, it's just a fun action movie. It's great. I love it. So we're gonna hit our category the good, the bad, the ugly, the fine. It's where we discuss the good of the film. Something we like, the bad, something we didn't like, the ugly, something that didn't age well the fine, that something did age well. Just like mushmouth over here. Um, the good, the action, babies! Let's go. Action movies rules.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:50

Explosions, arm getting off. Exploded off, yeah. Yeah, it's great.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:56

Predator design being iconic.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:58

Yeah. I like the fact that uh the predator was picking them off one by one. Yeah. That was sweet. So good.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:04

Gotta love the classic hunting style. It's it's an easy formula.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:07

When the predator becomes prey, it just always works. That's why it's called movie prey. All right, the bad, I don't have anything. Uh except for the vagina jokes. Vagina jokes, and it's like they're not funny, and it's just like, what are we doing? I mean, we literally have those jokes in there just so he could learn to laugh.

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SPEAKER_02 1:21:25

Jesse Ventura. And his little quote he said about the tobacco. Oh, yeah, that's in my age world.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:30

Yeah, the predator really didn't need he didn't maybe they don't have jokes where he's from.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:34

I mean, just like you could just like just hear some guys laughing and overdo it. It's like it felt like literally they I like it though. They literally specifically put those two jokes in there just like the joke he's texting his other predator buddies, like hey, so you never but dude. Let me tell you this joke real quick. Hold on, hold on.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:52

They don't laugh. What's funny is that laughing out he goes, that's Shane's laugh.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:58

Yeah, it really is. Because he's so slow at winding up, like I always think that.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:04

Yeah. Um, for something that didn't age well, I put split the gay slur. That's about it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:11

My would be like, well, no, I guess we didn't age well. No, I guess that would be my.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:17

I mean, honestly, just kind of Shane's Shane Black's character is just like I mean, he was just supposed to be the comedic relief, but he didn't even really have much to do in that other than two jokes. And otherwise he was just like, yeah, we got the skinny guy that's gonna die first.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:31

So unfunny he had to die first. Um but yeah, I just stand-up comedian.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:36

His character was kind of completely pointless out of everybody. But that's perfect. Yeah, he had to be the first one to go. He just wouldn't have looked as cool shooting all his guns into the forest.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:47

His glasses, man, I love them. I know. So he according to uh there was an interview, like he said that he wanted to wear the real ballistic glasses that real soldiers wore, and the director is like, nah, man, we need you to look like a geek.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:03

Yeah, I mean, pretty much. They just like always in these movies can have the geek guy that gets pushed around. He didn't really get pushed around in this movie.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:12

No, it wasn't. He was just, I feel like it was a He was just there.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:15

So the find something that age will creature design, Arnold as a muscular hero, and shooting on location.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:21

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:22

Yeah, that was badass. Fucking I think uh unseen horror is almost always gonna easily.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:28

I was literally sitting here w with most modern movies now explaining everything. Like, why do we not have the less is more approach? Yeah, and they're always talking about like, well, we code, what was on those papers? We'll find out one day. But they could even easily like it's always about like saving money because you also save money with a less is more approach, and they can do that now.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:48

Maybe those were the 85. What do you guys think this movie costs? 16 million dollars.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:54

It was two million?

SPEAKER_01 1:24:01

Two million? Yeah, it was fifteen million dollars. Good job, Jason. I was oh, I was like one dollar over on the prices right. Yeah. And it grossed 98 million.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:12

So I should have done better because Arnold probably got two million of that. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:16

A handshake cost ten. I mean, just based on the egos on the set, yeah, you probably have to pay them all at least a million.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:23

Just eight million for diarrhea. Yeah, that's sure. Oh damn.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:28

All right portable uh gym station.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:31

So we're gonna hit up our next category, double feature. It's where we recommend a movie to go alongside this movie. I put The Abyss, James Cannon film. I probably already recommended it with another movie, but I was just thinking I was like alien movie, but uh if you want something a little different, more underwater, and maybe not the aliens are that dangerous, but they might be. That's a fun movie. It's just a great, it's not as much action-y, but if you're just kind of like, uh, my mind is numbed, let me watch something a little smarter and go to the abyss. Um James Cameron, baby. Fucking rules. It's kind of like I always feel like this is kind of his lost movie. People don't like talk about it as much. Have you seen it?

SPEAKER_03 1:25:12

I always I get it confused with something else.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:17

And is the abyss there's another one that's underwater as well, and I always get him confused. I don't think I've ever got to watch the abyss.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:25

It's uh what's the other one? It's like a weird like tentacle monster kind of like touching him.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:33

No, it's not it. It's another one that like it because I talked about it before, and you're like, oh, it's this movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:41

Well, while he's starting to think, uh Jason, what do you got? What's your double feature? Tropic Thunder. That is uh Yeah, that's a great one. It is pretty much kind of like it's similar to this. It's like, yeah, we gotta go rescue, like, or rescuing from like a rebel camp.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:01

Capture and they force him to perform. Yeah. Oh please don't kind of move my hand moving.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:08

And then I love it. It's like when they got uh, yeah, because they have Ben Stiller and they like constantly dip them in the God! God, God so good. Gotta do that one.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:20

All right, Igarta, what do you got? Uh I was gonna say first Rambo, but I kind of like more of whatever one was it the fourth one that's just self-titled as well, or is that New Blood?

SPEAKER_01 1:26:30

Oh, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:31

It's the one where he's older and uh there's missionaries or something there he's helping.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:37

Yeah, that's the I th I I don't know. I I re I watched the one remake, or not the remake, but like when he was older, that was the first one.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:45

The one where he turns him into the hamburger with the 50 cal. Yeah. That was rare.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:49

That's that one, because it's in the jungle. He's shooting everybody. And he like literally does like there's a scene where he sneaks up on someone. Yeah, it's that one and sneaks up behind someone, doesn't choke him out to kill him, snap his neck, he rips his throat out. Well, just make it worse. Yes. Yeah, but that's what I recommend. Whichever one that one's calling.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:11

Which I think that one's an insane movie. That was just like, uh it's and it's just wild seeing that movie and then going back to the very first one, and it's like Is that what the series was about?

SPEAKER_02 1:27:22

No, because that's why everyone complained about it.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:24

They said that like I've only seen the first one and that the that one. So I need to watch like part two and three.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:31

It was supposed to be about like a veteran dealing with his coming back and trying to adjust to society after everything he went through.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:39

Yeah, I feel like that's what the first one was about too, but that's what it's supposed to be about.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:43

Then they lost the plot after. They lost the plot, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:45

They're like, hey, but action movies. We don't want to sit here and watch veterans like go through a hard time and make us feel bad about how we treated them in that era. Who wants to watch that orange?

SPEAKER_04 1:27:59

Nobody.

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All right.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:01

That is our conclusion of our discussion of Predator. I hope you all enjoyed. And get ready, because next week we're doing this weird ass, fucking trippy ass, cold ass, ass ass, weird cage movie called Mandy, baby. Have you ever thought, did I need an action scene where we have two giant chainsaws fighting each other? Yes. Well, you got it. Oh. Have you ever wanted to see a cheddar goblin? Yes. You're gonna. It's in Mandy, baby. This movie rules. It's creepy. It's just it's just a it's a wild ride. I've never seen it. It's a little slow, but uh, you know, it's just it's great. It's just a revenge flick, essentially.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:49

Wasn't this a movie that everyone's like Nick Cage is back, baby?

SPEAKER_01 1:28:52

That was one of them, yeah. Um, and it's all just kind of about like this this this cult steals somebody, and it's like, hey, let's get it. Bill Duke's in it. Same guy that plays Mac. Hell yeah. Did not know that until I just looked at this. So cool. Yeah, join us with that. It's such a fun movie. We're gonna laugh at it. And we're gonna be like, this kind of fucking rules. And it's just you get that wacky Nick Cage performance at a certain point. Kind of get like the at first, he's a little sleepy, and then he's like, they're like, hey, um, go crazy. And he's like, he gets his long legs. Put my long legs on.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:30

That was a like that performance for him. Daddy!

SPEAKER_01 1:29:35

I love it. Love that movie. This is a warm blanket movie for me for some reason. So thank you for joining us for Predator. Join us for Mandy next week. Dakota, thanks for joining us. Thanks for having me as a don't you think everybody should leave a review, follow us, tell a friend about us?

SPEAKER_02 1:29:52

Yeah, let's get some reviews on here. That's not just I walk, I'd just rather watch the movie. What was that last one you had?

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Well, the last one we actually had like, you guys are hilarious. Ha ha ha. And I was like, thank you. But yeah, there was one where it's like, podcasts are stupid. And I'm like, well, then don't listen to it.

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SPEAKER_02 1:30:28

How long you been doing this?

SPEAKER_01 1:30:29

Uh I don't remember. Close to three years. Oh, yeah. Holy fucking shit, right? Damn. Kind of wish we're bigger.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:39

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SPEAKER_01 1:30:41

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SPEAKER_02 1:30:56

That was a good win.