Tucker & Thompson
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Tucker & Thompson
Navigating Tragedies, Community Transformations, and Sacred Relationships
Imagine experiencing the heartbreak of a tornado ravaging your home, only to face the emotional toll of a tragic loss shortly afterward. On "Tucker and Thompson," we share our personal journey through these devastating events, highlighting the vital role of community support and the arduous battles with insurance companies for fair compensation. We also delve into the often-overlooked corruption in the adoption and foster care system, unveiling the ethical dilemmas that many face. Our discussion extends to the dire state of healthcare, particularly in West Virginia, where over-medication and poor hospice practices wreak havoc on families.
Ever wondered what it takes to revitalize a forgotten urban landscape? We bring you stories of innovative visions and the hurdles of transforming dilapidated areas into thriving communities. From navigating environmental regulations to reimagining how industrial waste sites can be repurposed, we offer insights into making cities vibrant again. We also recount chilling encounters and unsettling neighborhood experiences, emphasizing the urgent need for safer, more controlled environments. Our reflections on the evolving societal norms, from drug normalization to addressing gun violence and bullying, paint a stark picture of today's community challenges.
Finally, we touch on the essence of maintaining sacred relationships amid societal changes. Through personal anecdotes, we champion the importance of resilience in friendships and underscore the shared humanity that binds us all. Whether it's revisiting nostalgic memories or envisioning a brighter future for our communities, "Tucker and Thompson" invites you to engage with these pressing issues. Join us for an episode filled with heart, insight, and a call to action for fairer, safer, and more supportive environments.
May God Be with you!!!
All right, the Level Podcast. Here we are. What do you think about the name Tucker and Thompson? Tucker and Thompson. I think so too. Let's just get rid of the level. I think so too. I think we change it after this one Tucker and Thompson.
Speaker 2:Tucker and Thompson, that's solid?
Speaker 1:I think so too. Yeah, Plus, we could probably grab a couple that are looking for Tucker Carlson.
Speaker 2:They would. They would come across there, they would like pop up with him.
Speaker 1:It would be a nice little nice little couple, tucker and Thompson.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I like it, I do like it for sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's better Tucker and Thompson. So that's going to happen. We're going to change that. We'll keep it on the level, but yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, tough Got. Uh, I don't want to share too much of it because you know I don't want to poke a bear, I just want to be friends. Can we just be friends? I want to be friends. Yeah, I got sued for half a mil. Then the insurance company took me, you know, and that tornado that went through a long time ago. The insurance companies don't want to pay up and then they basically stole 20 grand from me and then they don't have a choice, though, right, I mean they have to pay.
Speaker 2:No man, they can. You know, they got their guys working for them. That say one story then you gotta, then you gotta spend money. So then you gotta go out and get your guys to work for you and you gotta call adjusters and but but really, what they try to do is just stall you out. They just try to stall you out.
Speaker 1:They got to pay you back, but.
Speaker 2:I'm going to go. I'm going to go like, like just scorch the earth on them in a minute, like I pay to advertise on that sign down there off of Levitt, and I'm just going to, I'm going to employ 6,000 congregants to take them hostage and drop them. Yeah, like I was, like I won't do it for me because you know, ultimately it's whatever, but you're stealing from people and right now, with inflation, the way it is in the world just burning, the world is coming apart, it seems, right now here.
Speaker 1:Here goes a. So so you're talking about the tornado that landed? How? Long ago August.
Speaker 2:August tornado that landed how long ago? August, august, okay, so we're in october, it's october, it's like the second or second third week of august and I'm still dealing with the. So I mean, it was a key property, was just closing down.
Speaker 1:Yeah, now who knows what you're gonna pay? Compared to right that you literally they cost themselves more money at this point I mean, if they pay, you know if they, I don't even know, I, I don't even know, I don't know, man, what am I going to do?
Speaker 2:Chase them forever. How much money do you spend? I mean how much damage is over there? A lot. I mean my garage where I store all my equipment at my Wycliffe location. It's got holes in it. Big tree limbs fell through. I got a gazebo that was probably 20 by 20, had electric ran.
Speaker 1:It's just a tree fell out. What about the stuff that was in the garage? Did any of that get damaged?
Speaker 2:I mean it's getting everything's getting wet. You know what I mean. I got lawn equipment, I got tools, I got you know, throw a tarp over it, but it's just that way. Then my main buildings. I got tools. I got, you know, throw a tarp over it, but it's just that way. Then my main buildings. I got shingles, missing trees. I had to pay to clean up the trees.
Speaker 1:I thought it hit.
Speaker 2:Avon. I didn't even know it hit in Woodland. It went all the way across the state.
Speaker 1:Did it. Yeah, I didn't even know that. Yeah, wow.
Speaker 2:I did not know that. But you didn't have any damage in avon. No, no, I mean a tree went, fell down in the front, but it was a little one, cut it down, threw it away. But you know, you got to pay for all this stuff. And the insurance companies they don't.
Speaker 2:You know like you don't have a chainsaw yeah, yeah, I went over there and I cut up my neighbor's tree in the backyard. You know I'm out there doing it, but but the tree at the tree in wickliffe was so big, I mean it was six, seven feet in diameter.
Speaker 1:Yeah, see, I got one like that in my backyard. I'm scared to death if it ever comes out.
Speaker 2:No, he needed heavy equipment to move that one. And I got a guy out there that he comes out and helps me because he loves Jesus and loves the church. So he comes out and does it for free. But you know that's not fair. I want to pay him. Sure you don't want guys working for nothing? No, yeah, there's no reason to work for nothing.
Speaker 1:It's messed up everybody's supposed to make their money, for sure, and so yeah, so I had that.
Speaker 2:Then I had a baby die like a baby and I came to the church and mom was real young how old was the baby? Eight weeks old. She brought it to church and she was tired, so everyone else took care of the baby for her and that night she went home. That sunday night she went home and the baby died just sids really yeah, wow terribly sad. So the funeral's this thursday that was just a sucky week, yeah that's sids things was.
Speaker 1:That's how that was a. You know everybody who takes their kids home. You know newborns, yeah, so scary.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you just wake up at night and let them breathe, yeah and then they have all these stupid rules, like when Alexa was born, they had these blocks. I don't know if you remember the blocks that you would put them in. You'd swaddle them and just set them in there so they'd stay on their side. Yeah, seemed to make sense to me, it did. Yeah, but uh, you know we had that, we would use those. But then when Haley was born, they're saying, oh, don't do that.
Speaker 2:And I'm thinking why would you not do that, like stick them in a crib with nothing?
Speaker 1:You know yeah and empty and depressing. But I put them on her, I put them on all three of my kids either way. I don't care what the new rules they set were. To me it made sense.
Speaker 2:I think it has. I think SIDS, the sudden rise. Did you see where SIDS dropped off the map in 21? Yeah, I did see that. Yeah, because they weren't offering vaccines that they would normally offer because of COVID. And now all these kids, mysteriously, Sid disappeared and now it's back.
Speaker 1:And now it's back, wow, and you think it has to do with the vaccines. Huh, yeah, I mean, that's what you like, you some, bobby Kennedy, don't you? You know, I got the sense of a monkey, I got the good sense.
Speaker 2:God gave chickens, so you know I could draw a dot from here to there, I think. Bobby Kennedy said that to her too, my man, bobby, yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh man, amanda's got a friend. Well, it's her mom's friend. She lives, I think, in New York or something, but grew up around here with her mom man. She was like on us, like you know, when it was time. It's so stressful.
Speaker 2:The anti-vax. Yeah, oh, yeah, oh yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1:I mean, you're so stressed, your newborn, newborn mom, you know what I mean. And with Amanda, she's got the baby. Do you get the vaccines, do you not? You got this woman screaming at you. Your doctor's telling you what the hell do you? They know. You know what I mean, no more than you, buddy. It's just so much stress, dude. It's just that's a stressful time, and.
Speaker 2:I think logic you don't want to make the wrong decision. I think logic tells you a little bit. I mean, think about it, man. We were in high school. We were in school. We ate peanut butter squares. Yeah, you couldn't even take peanut butter into school today. What happened? What happened in 30 years? What happened, man? I'll tell you what happened.
Speaker 1:They multiplied vaccines by 100. Yeah, I know I had to have vaccines. I remember having to have one because I remember at one point I couldn't go into.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like polio or something you know. No, we didn't get that, did we? I don't know.
Speaker 1:I mean, I don't even know what I got.
Speaker 2:Well, they had that big thing.
Speaker 1:Remember they had that, like the people that are older than us not me, and you. They got that little thing like a hundred shots in one spot, look like somebody took the car lighter and stuck it in. Yeah, exactly, yeah, whatever that was, yeah, I don't know maybe that all came in one shot when we were a kid.
Speaker 2:Maybe I don't know, maybe I don't know, but it would. Yeah, definitely, if you see that you're like oh yeah, you're my mom's age yeah, oh yeah, for sure, you know immediately.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we didn't have that, but but it was.
Speaker 2:It wasn't that far ahead of us.
Speaker 1:I mean maybe 10 years older than us. They had it, but we didn't have that. But it wasn't that far ahead of us. I mean maybe 10 years older than us, they had it.
Speaker 2:But we didn't get near as many shots as they're getting today.
Speaker 1:So, like you know, I got some friends on my timeline and social media that are Wilbur, and I think they're putting a bunch of them in together too. I think that, like, if I remember right, I think that there was options where you could do like you could do four different shots or they could put them all in at the same time. It's like well then, why would you do four if you could do them at one at a time?
Speaker 2:You get a twofer.
Speaker 1:I mean, I don't understand, it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2:I knew it was corrupt when I adopted this little boy and he came from the system. And this little boy, they would pay us a certain. They wanted to pay us. We didn't do it. They wanted to pay us. They would send us advertisement to say, if you give this, we'll give you a cheeseburger and $100. You know what I mean and I'm like A cheeseburger and $100. I mean, it was just crazy and you're like hey, I'm hungry. Kid To hell with you, Get in the car man.
Speaker 1:Go get us, Go get us. Do you want some McDonald's or not? Call that doctor.
Speaker 2:See if they're giving away any shots this week. We need some money Got to pay the electric bill Like this is so crazy, you know, and I knew that you could just feel it. Man, I don't know. You know the world calls it intuition, but in the Bible it's called discernment.
Speaker 1:And you can see through the baloney yeah, baloney is a nice word. You can see through it. You're like I don't know about that, not at my house.
Speaker 2:We like thick baloney, that's right fried up, that's right, no sir. No sir, we're not playing by those rules. We see things here.
Speaker 1:We see things just like they are no, yeah, that that whole thing is stressful. That is very, very, very stressful, because you just don't know what to do. Yeah, you don't.
Speaker 2:It was really sad for the girl, though she was really young, you know, just out of the system, just ah, man, your heart breaks, my heart broke. My daughter was in the children's ministry that morning when the little baby came in and heard the story. And was in the children's ministry that morning when the little baby came in and heard the story. And so everyone you know it was all they talked about for two days, oh, I'm sure. And then you know to find out that you know the little baby died and oh, it was just heartbreaking. So Marlon does the funeral this Thursday.
Speaker 2:Oh wow, yeah, it's tough yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's not something you want to deal with at all. You're working Working my dad's I'm in the middle of, I got a lot of stuff going on and I'm trying to get a few more bids out. And then my dad's broke a couple vertebrae. Well, he's four vertebraes and then he's at the hospital. My stepmom they've got her in so much medicine I need them out of West Virginiaia. West virginia feeds you drugs for no reason.
Speaker 2:yeah that's why it's horrible. It's it's horrible. Well, that's the whole medical industry.
Speaker 1:It's corrupt I think west virginia is worse than anybody. I mean, look, it's bad. I'll tell you how I why I say that one is when she came for my brother's funeral back in 2022, she come and you stopped and seen me that day when we were out there. We come, come in. She's literally an invalid, just an invalid, basically an invalid at that point, just like zombie, can't function, falls out Like just it's bad, it's just horrible. She only weighs like 89 pounds, something like that. It's bad, it's real bad. And when my dad decided he had to have, well, he didn't decide, the doctors did, but he had a blockage in his heart. He was going to have heart surgery and he kept going into the appointments and then he'll leave because he's nervous about her at home by herself and they live out in the cut. It's deep. It's God's country, no question, that's God's country. They don't even have cell phones to call you. You could pray, that's about it.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's pretty, it's, it's nice when you're young, but when you're old nobody can get to you. It's not so nice. But so I decided, okay, I'll go all his stuff done and I go with him to his pre-appointment, you know. And then I go with him to his actual appointment and I'm asking him about Mary, what's wrong with Mary? And he's like I don't know, I go, what do you mean? You don't know, he goes. Well, she had leukemia, but that's in remission. He said but yeah, I don't know. And I'm like then why is she taking so many pills? He goes I don't know, I go, I'd be damned if I'd let him keep giving her pills. Dad, what the hell? If there's nothing, they've got no diagnosis they're just giving her pills.
Speaker 1:And I guess what happened? My dad had lung cancer and she had doctor's appointments she had to go to and he couldn't do it because he was going through chemo and all that stuff. And they came out and suggested that they put her on hospice. That way they would do the doctor's appointments at home. Makes sense, okay, let's do it just for doctor's appointments at home. Well, as soon as they did it, there was no doctor's appointments at home. They would just call in subscription or prescriptions, that's it. That's all they did.
Speaker 1:And it was mass amounts, like three different, just a slow drip to death. Oh my God, it was horrible, yeah, and I got and I just I was annoyed and I said something to my dad, probably out of line, but I'm like you know what's the matter with you. You never were this person. You wouldn't allow this to happen to your wife. What's the matter with you?
Speaker 1:Well then, I come home before his surgery and I guess, uh, she, they had to call an ambulance because she was like I don't know, maybe not at out or I don't know what happened, but they called an ambulance for her and they take her in the ambulance and they call my dad at like three in the morning to come get her from the hospital and he's like you just left two hours ago and he's like I, I can't drive at night, that's too late, these country roads, it's just I can't do it. He goes off to come in the morning. Well, an hour later, the ambulance pulled back up with with her wow, her with no clothes on, and just brought her in and put her on a couch. So my dad lost his shit threw hospice out all this stuff. So by the time I come down, I come down for you know his actual surgery.
Speaker 1:He had taken all her pain pills from her you know he was giving her. He gave her like one a day or two a day, something. The rest were gone, just so that she didn't go into detox or you know what I'm saying. And then he got her off completely, completely off of him. That's good. So while I was down there for that 10 days when my dad had surgery and all that stuff, she went up to 106 pounds. She was eating three, four times a day. I had her driving a car. She was fine, there was nothing wrong with her. Now she's back on the pills again. I don't know what's going on, but they just feed them to you. And I know a kid that was a drug dealer at one time and he told me that's where they got their pain pills. He said they would go down to Parkersburg and meet somebody at a hotel and they would just have thousands of pain pills for them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. Because, they're prescribing them. The pharmaceutical company is yeah.
Speaker 1:They're dealers, they're dealers. Oh, there's no question, they're the biggest dealers in the world.
Speaker 2:Absolutely yeah. You're not being healed, you're being addicted.
Speaker 1:And then they bring them down here to Lorraine and ruin Lorraine. It's one big system.
Speaker 2:It's one big system. It's one big system. Horrible, it's horrible big system. If you pay attention, you know if you, if you don't, if you allow yourself to come out of the matrix, you can kind of see it as you drive and you like, oh, look a taco bell, oh, look at denny's, oh, look a medical facility.
Speaker 1:You know, like it's just, they groom you, they, they treat you like a consumer your whole life and then they, you know, then they build these mega structures to oh yeah, to reap the benefits of the massive insurance that they, that they, charge you when I was an apprentice, we were building that nursing home in overland that one that's out there, yeah, uh, what the heck is the name of that place? Raywood carry-on was out there working but we were laughing because they literally have assisted living, nursing home, funeral home, a hospital and a graveyard.
Speaker 2:They're all right there.
Speaker 1:They're profiting. They are making it as efficient as they can.
Speaker 2:Yeah it's like boardwalk, it's just like Monopoly. You just roll the dice. Oh man, I'm going to the hospital. You know what I mean? I guess you ain't. You're never gonna catch me in the hospital, unless something's out, unless something's broke out of joint or yeah, that's how I feel. There's no way I'm going to the hospital that you don't ask them what's wrong with me. No, they'll find something wrong with you. They will give you a pill, it, and then they'll give you a slow drip to death.
Speaker 1:When I was like 38, my ex-wife when I was with her. She talked me into going to the doctor. 37. For what? Just to get a checkup.
Speaker 2:You need to get a checkup. You're 37.
Speaker 1:You've never had one. Oh no, you have to go get one.
Speaker 2:What'd I told you?
Speaker 1:to quit eating steaks, but he wanted to give me medicine right away here.
Speaker 2:I'm 37 years old.
Speaker 1:He's trying to give me medicine. I go, I'm not taking no medicine.
Speaker 2:I said what do I need to do?
Speaker 1:And he told me diet and he told me this. So I actually started running at that point. I would run every day, five miles a day, and I did that for like two years straight and my mom brings up after I get down 30 pounds and I'm looking lean and everything my mom goes well. Yeah, but you went to the doctor's after I brought you that big-ass bowl of potato salad, and you know I ate it all because that's mom's potato salad.
Speaker 2:That's good.
Speaker 1:So I'm sure that's why my cholesterol was high that weekend.
Speaker 2:You're blaming your cholesterol on mom's potato salad. Well, there's no question they don't make potato salad the way they used to when we were kids. Oh, my mom's potato salad.
Speaker 1:You know it's room temperature you know. My mom was making it for us for the buffet for a while.
Speaker 2:That back one mayonnaise with mayonnaise. We don't even know what it is today. It's like petroleum juice and you know, isn't and you know, isn't it egg white? Still, doesn't it still come from read the back of a mayonnaise jar, bro, it's not what it. It is not mayonnaise anymore it's something totally different.
Speaker 1:I know, on this weekend's podcast, when I did it with uh, with uh guido, we I played that for him bobby kennedy talking about trevizine or trepizine. Yeah, yeah, all of that yellow dye, uh-huh horrible, it's in everything. It's in everything. It's in your vitamin gummies, your cough medicine, everything that you're like. It gets you sick and then, as you're trying to treat yourself, you're just batting it on, Stick it in there too Seed oils and everything.
Speaker 2:It's gross. Oh, that's horrible, Because we say that we're like same. It's not what it used to be. I don't like.
Speaker 1:McDonald's. When I eat McDonald's, I just feel like I don't know what it is.
Speaker 2:Well, it's chemicals now, but I don't believe it is the same McDonald's. I know Taco Bell is not the same. Come on man, when we were kids, Taco Bell was delicious.
Speaker 1:It's pretty delicious that Crunchwrap Supreme bro, it's still pretty good. I don't really go there. They got that breakfast one now the breakfast Crunchwrap with the jalapeno cheese sauce in it. Oh my goodness man, I can't eat fast food I have to eat.
Speaker 2:My wife keeps me so strict Like if I was to eat what I wanted to eat, I'd be big as a house, yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, man, yeah, I eat a lot, constantly, constantly. The best thing, though, is those Crunchwraps. I love them, I can't get enough. And those Dorito tacos too. You don't like those.
Speaker 2:I mean who doesn't? But I can't eat it. I don't eat it because it's not real food. And I know it's not real food, it's all just delicious. It's delicious but it's not good for you, man, it's just really bad for you?
Speaker 1:No, it is. It's horrible for you.
Speaker 2:It's not real food. It's not real. I just stress that it's not real food.
Speaker 1:I literally I have a friend in a shop out in lagrange I think it's lagrange grafton, I think it's lagrange. He had cancer and he went through all those treatments forever and all this stuff and he's just a great guy. If you ever met him you'd love him. He's a great guy, farmer, you know. And uh, he started looking for alternatives because they said nothing was going to work. So he started drinking some teas and some stuff like that, just looking for anything he could, and he beat it. He went into remission and all this stuff. And you know it's sad because he's his own cabinet shop and he can't afford health insurance anymore. You know what I mean Because of the cost of health insurance and it's like this is a guy who's had cancer. You know it could come back at any time but he will not risk eating anything but his own cattle. He has his own cattle.
Speaker 1:He raises his own cattle.
Speaker 2:I have really strong ideas about that. I think your pH balance in your body has a lot to do with cancer.
Speaker 1:Oh, they've proven that yeah oh yeah, they've proven that for sure.
Speaker 2:I mean, you know, you don't know what you read these days, but yeah, I think that I, every day, I try to neutralize my body and the alkaline stay, oh really, at a certain pH level.
Speaker 1:And you check it.
Speaker 2:Well, I can feel it, it's just weird, I don't know.
Speaker 1:What do you mean? Like acidy or something?
Speaker 2:I can feel when I'm acidic. Really I can feel in my body when I'm acidic. Yeah huh, I can feel my blood pressure. I can. It's just so weird. So it feels like I'm more in tune with the older I get too, which maybe it's paranoia, I don't know, but it's not like the worst thing about me is I've never been able to notice anything.
Speaker 1:I'm like no no, and I still to this day just out here just wow, yeah, I mean, if it hurts, if something hurts, I know that, but we said you had pain, you know my elbows and stuff, yeah, but since I I don't won't drink anymore, and then it goes away. It's gone and that's acid. Though, that is what that is.
Speaker 2:That's uric acid in your body yeah that causes it's inflammatory inflammation, which is, yeah, every once in a while my feet will act crazy. Yeah, give that gout stuff, it'll take crazy. It was just all of a sudden my toe will hurt to the point where I can't wear a shoe.
Speaker 2:That's gout, it's weird you know that's uric acid, it's so nuts and then, and then I'll, I'll, I'll stabilize my acidic levels goes away. How do you stabilize it? I, I don't. Can I say that I don't want people to do things I do? And you know like I, I just take uh baking soda and drink it and water, and I put it in water and I drink it immediately.
Speaker 1:Really.
Speaker 2:You ever have heartburn? Do that? I always just have Tums. Nope, I'm telling you Baking soda, put it in water, drink it Really. I drink it every day.
Speaker 1:Oh.
Speaker 2:Every day I drink it. That's probably a good idea, I can feel it, you know. Yeah, idea, I can feel it, you know. Yeah, that's probably a good idea. Huh, if you're a doctor out there and you're watching, is it gross, though I mean it's. Yeah, it tastes like, tastes like it smells, you know, like like, whatever it is I mean, I've brushed my teeth with bacon soda, so I know what it tastes. So yeah, it's that weird I can smell taste, kind of deal it's that, but you're drinking it.
Speaker 2:But it's immediate relief, immediate like I, they say cherry juice does that too. I've never had cherry juice. I've heard people say that a bunch.
Speaker 1:And I. That's what I've got at home now.
Speaker 2:We're old, we're sitting here having conversations.
Speaker 1:That's where we're at, bro. Bunch of G's sitting around. That's how OGs roll.
Speaker 2:That's what Tucker Thompson and I are talking about baking soda. Get some baking soda. That's how it rolls. How are we going to fix the city, Jim Of Lorraine?
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh, my God, yeah. Well, you know, I think one of the biggest things that would happen, what would be huge for the city of Lorraine, is to wipe out that mill. You're saying to get rid of it. I think so. I think wipe it out you say, to start, just of it, I think so.
Speaker 2:I think you said you started just level it, just level it, level it you think?
Speaker 1:trump gets in, it's coming back the mill not in lorraine no not, unless you want to spend a lot of money it's destroyed.
Speaker 2:I thought a company in japan bought that by the way they did.
Speaker 1:But they were trying to reopen it and I have a friend that actually docs at my marina with me and he was one of the main like runners there, like a maintenance guy and stuff that repaired all the equipment and stuff and they had him over there trying to get and he can't get any parts for any of this old equipment. You know everything's automated or computerized now. You know trying to find valves and levers and stuff that that are doing the same things they well, I'm with it, like you know.
Speaker 2:I think if you're not gonna, if you're not gonna turn it on, then get rid of it, because it's sitting on some of the most valuable real estate we have in the city.
Speaker 1:It's. The buildings are horrible. Did you see the drone fly over that?
Speaker 2:No, but I went. I used to go back to when I worked for the city. We'd like we'd go back there and get that iron ore slag, you know, for like jobs they were doing in the city and man, it was otherworldly back there it was like driving on the moon. It was insane. I was like what these people in green suits would come out. You know, it was weird, like I'm like, wow, this is wild.
Speaker 1:Well, that's what they would wear over their clothes when they went to work there. My grandpa used to do that it was crazy jumpers that they put on over their clothes and then, they didn't ruin their clothes, yeah, but it was. It's the, the drone that they showed flying over it. Like half the roofs in there just collapsed in, like there's water just pouring in, like literally no roof left type, like like just completely just gone so and that's like. That was like at least five buildings I seen in that drone flyway man.
Speaker 2:You know what I got this dude man? I got my boy, Money Mike. He'll come over there and scrap all that stuff for you. The whole thing, Money Mike. I pull one phone call into Money Mike.
Speaker 1:He'll be down there with a torch cutting it up, man, for the long haul He'll be there For the long haul. He'll be there For the long haul man. He'll be running that steel. I don't know where he takes all that stuff. Has he got one of them? Trucks, with the freaking, the fun vendors falling off and it's bungeed up?
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's that guy. He's that guy. I might know who he is you know Money might?
Speaker 1:I'm pretty sure you do. He was coming out to Oberlin and taking our scrap when we put the entranceway there. Yeah, we cut off the old entranceway, the tube steel, and he was taking all of it out of it.
Speaker 2:Oh, money's my guy man. If I call him money, I got some stuff over here. Come pick it up. Yeah, he loves kids man, he's always giving to kids. Thank you money, thank you money. But yeah, if it's called money, he'll come tear that all down, get rid of the thing to get to that river. That's the key you put in, like a few marinas down there. How can we know that? But the people running this, running the city, don't they know?
Speaker 1:that? What are you doing? Ray carrion knows that ray carrion had a conversation with me in here, that he was actually in conversations, trying at least at the bare minimum. He was asking for just a road, just give us one lane to get us to the river, you know, and then you could do whatever else you want. Just let us take 57 and continue it right to the river. That's what he was asking for oh yeah, you know what?
Speaker 2:I'm saying well, there's other roads that go down to the river, right, I mean, you got, you got there, not to that spot no, not to that particular spot, but I mean any, any, it's 450 acres back there. Oh, there's so much the back there. You, if you get in a canoe, you can go, you can go back in there. Have you done that?
Speaker 1:no, I I've. I've been on a jet ski back there a little bit now, yeah, yeah, you can.
Speaker 2:You can go get in there. Oh, it'll go way all the way down. Why are we not? Why are we not building?
Speaker 1:houses on this. It should be restaurants and condos and and marinas.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like it is a gold mine you know, and I can't for the life of me figure out why the people who run the city of lorraine don't do that ray carion knows it, they want that property. They got dune buggies going in over there.
Speaker 1:But see what the too is. I don't know how you handle that, because once you get into the city, or once you, if the city turns it over to you and it say okay, sell it. They give it to you. I don't know how long it's going to take for you to be able to use that land.
Speaker 2:What do you mean? They're using it right now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I don't think, like I think, that the EPA is going to come in and say, okay, you'll have to dig out X amount. I mean not to say you can't, you can dig it out and put it back in.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean that is a possibility. Well then, somebody should work with the EPA, the federal government, state government, and figure the problem out, rather than just letting it sit there. And then also, let's pat on the back the genius, the engineers that were geniuses, that ran the railroad right alongside the lakefront in Lake Erie in the rain. That's brilliant, but then when you get the Vermilion it comes off. Yeah, I don't know what that's about. I don't know.
Speaker 1:I've always complained about that. Guido's uncle's got a piece of property over there. That's right at like. I think. I want to say it's like maybe Kobe in West Erie, but it's like you can't really get to it because the railroad tracks are right.
Speaker 2:there Isn't that where Hole in the Wall was no Hole in the Wall is more like by the Ford plant.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's up past. Why was it called hole in the wall? Because when we would go there like you would go, it was a hole in the wall. It was like it was all trees along the railroad tracks and then you would just park right there in front of the tracks and then you just kind of go through a hole in the wall, basically Through the hole.
Speaker 2:Okay, I know what I mean. It's like just a little hole in the wall. I was looking for the wall Like it's a wall, and then there's a little hole to get in there In a hole.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, because you can't really get. There was no access to it except on the water. There's access to it, right, but that beach sucks anyways, like there's no sand or nothing, it's all rocks. Like when you go walk out on it your feet would get cut up and stuff, because there's so many rocks are hard. Well, I only know because we docked a boat there a couple times. I went to go wash the bottom and it's just too harsh. You go out to Huron, it's all sand bottom. It's nice, you know.
Speaker 2:It's a lot more enjoyable. So, yeah, I think that's what you got to do in the city you got to open up the waterfronts, and then there was another, you know, engineer, that was brilliant.
Speaker 1:And he put the sewer right at the mouth of the river there. That was brilliant. Well, that was the thing back in the day. That's all you did, way to go, that's how you did it. I mean, stick it right on the river. 69, remember the the the cuyahoga river caught on fire. I mean, yeah, I remember that but that's because they would just dump everything right in the river. Everything so they were. That's what was convenient about the river. It was your way of getting rid of stuff just getting rid of.
Speaker 1:Dump everything in there. Everything, just dump everything. Motor oil, whatever, squeeze you right into the river.
Speaker 2:You got to put that in your backyard and hole. You don't put that in the river you let the earth deal with that.
Speaker 1:Well, I remember being a kid in pennsylvania, my grandmother's house, and they would have this truck that would come down as a gravel road in front of it and it would spray, spray. Used motor oil on the gravel to keep the dust out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, chip and seal, yeah, no. No, just to keep the dust out. That was a hillbilly chip and seal.
Speaker 1:I guess they did that all over the country I heard.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean that kind of makes sense, right yeah they don't do it now.
Speaker 1:They would never do it now. No, never do it.
Speaker 2:No, because we're we think we're doing something, but yeah, I mean oil comes from the earth, so I don't know why we can't.
Speaker 1:I don't know why we can't pour it back.
Speaker 2:It does catch the river on fire, though well, yeah, you don't pour it in the river, you just gotta have a filtration system.
Speaker 1:Dig a hole in the backyard you know I seen that 69 fire was like. It was not even a big fire that the ones that you see on time magazine and stuff was like from 10 years earlier really yeah, I don't they said that those rivers were catching on fire everywhere.
Speaker 1:New york, detroit just because everybody was dumping it just happened to be cleveland was the one that caught the news stories because it was hippie era and all that stuff, clean, you know. But they said that was every. Every river was catching on fire all the time. Yeah, you know, it was the sparks from the trains coming over the river yeah, I feel, like lorraine, like I tell this story a lot.
Speaker 2:I tell this particular story. I try to like articulate people's value. And uh, there's a story I heard I don't know it was a long time ago, but it's about this this, uh, estate sale that happened in Jersey and during this estate sale, these art aficionados, these people who knew the value of art, whenever there would be an estate sale, these people who assessed art would come in and they would search the homes for any valuable art. And so around that time they were looking for a Rembrandt, the original Rembrandt that he painted when he was 17. It was rumored that he had painted, so there was. Everyone was on the search for this original Rembrandt that he painted when he was 17.
Speaker 2:And so they walk into this home in Jersey, this estate in Jersey, and they go through the home and they go down in the basement and they find what appears to be the Rembrandt that was painted and after further examination they noticed that the frame was out of the era.
Speaker 2:It was a Victorian frame, which put it out of the era, so it couldn't have been a Rembrandt. They let it sit, they said, oh, it's a phony, it's not real, and they passed it up and then a couple weeks later, another group of people came through, saw the same painting, but then scratched off the paint on the Victorian paint and discovered that it was in fact the original Rembrandt and it was worth millions Right, some ridiculous number Worth millions. And I feel like Lorraine is like it's like the original rembrandt and somebody shoved it in the basement and has framed it incorrectly and it just needs to be brought out of the basement and reframed but you know what part of it, part of the problem lies on us could be worth something some part of the problem lies on me and you, because we moved out, I agree I agree we could have been better people we could have been.
Speaker 1:We could have been two, two families. That was in that city. That would have been. I tell you when I live.
Speaker 2:You want to, you want to know the story, why I left. I'll tell you why. I tell you why I left. I woke up one morning. I lived in in Lorain on 12th Street and I woke up one morning and I noticed a shopping cart. Shopping cart tracks through the snow in my front yard and I went outside and I looked and there was sitting at my daughter's window, were cigarette butts in a shopping cart my daughter's window with cigarette butts in a shopping cart.
Speaker 2:And then, a couple of weeks later, I caught that guy walking through my front yard and I was at that point. I'm like I have to go or I'm going to kill somebody. You know what I mean. Like you're, you're, you're looking at my infant daughter and you're smoking cigarettes outside her window while I'm sleeping. What? And that's what made me leave. That's what made me leave. I wonder what time? When was that it was? I mean, it had to have been 01, 2000, 2001.
Speaker 1:Because there was that kid that was from Lorraine that was doing the weird shit to the babies. Remember? Yeah, I don't remember, but man, he had that car. They were looking for that contour with the green fender.
Speaker 2:It was a tan one with a green fender. You don't remember that, I don't remember. But I chased that guy down the road that night. Yeah, I chased him.
Speaker 1:He took off we had a guy that used to, that used to go when we lived on fifth street. We lived on corner of fifth and overland avenue, that big victorian house right there, that house right there. We lived in there, we had an apartment in there, you know, me and my mom, and there was a guy that was masturbating outside of her window and she's she's literally on the phone with the police and he won't stop. He's just like you know, he's just like she's on the phone. He could hear her too, because the window's cracked, saying I've got this guy, you know, oh, my goodness.
Speaker 2:So yeah, yeah. Well, that's why I left, you know so yeah, that's a good reason.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it is Right, I thought it was a valid reason, but I mean, that is the problem but I think that is part of the problem is like believe without trying and I don't blame them because you don't want. It's too hard when you have a family and you have all those issues to deal with and things like that there's there's some problems yeah, there's a lot of.
Speaker 2:We got to fix the school systems. You know, like you can't, you can't keep doing what you're doing to these kids. You know, like you, you got to give, you got to value kids more than you are right now and you can't be putting these like homeless shelters and stuff down like I mean.
Speaker 1:I would guess 90 of the trouble you have is probably from them. I remember when I worked at subway when I was a kid that there, that apartment building that was behind it on 42nd street well, now it's at 42nd street subway, the apartments that were behind there. They started nord center started putting people in there, you know, and we had poured all the concrete over there did you?
Speaker 1:yeah, all those pads, yeah well they, well, no, they, they were putting nord center was putting people in there and I mean I know they do need somewhere to live, but they were. I mean they would go scrounging through people's cars for change nord centerscenters yeah, they were.
Speaker 2:I mean I'll never forget.
Speaker 1:I had a guy come in. He had a dinosaur about this tall.
Speaker 2:Really Stuffed dinosaur, Right Stuffed dinosaur Dinosaur bro.
Speaker 1:No, he did. He was a stuffed dinosaur and he's sitting there no way, and he just got a pop, you know no big deal. And I'm in the back and he's out there an awful long time. And then I come out and I'm checking on him to make sure he's okay. I see there's stuff all over the floor. The hell is that, you know, I couldn't figure out what it was. So then I go in the back and I'm watching he's popping the eyeball out of the dinosaur and pouring the fountain pop down into the dinosaur.
Speaker 2:So the dinosaur is just dripping pop all over the inside of the restaurant.
Speaker 1:I'm like dude, you can't do that, you can't do that. And he goes all right, all right, all right. I don't know if he was going to go home and like ring it out, I don't know what his plan was. I mean I I can't, you know, you can't think crazy, I can't, you know. I mean I can, but I can't figure out what crazy is thinking yeah. So I mean they started doing that and I think that's what happened to that Hardee's too. I think they were having a lot of problems at that one with the same thing, if I remember newspaper articles and stuff.
Speaker 2:You can't do that, you can't just like put these people like, yeah, you can't, can't expect families to keep stay there no, not if you're gonna put them in there.
Speaker 1:I mean, you can put them over there, but you can't be controlled. They can't like be roaming free and terrorize me. It's like there's a kid that, or a guy that broke in here. Did you ever hear about that? Oh yeah, there's a homeless guy. Well, when I used to be closed on Sundays, he was going out on the patio and he was just. That was like his apartment for the day. That's nice.
Speaker 1:He's just hanging out out there and like, did you watch him Moving, popping? I mean he's just doing weird shit. He's just walking around doing, doing weird stuff just for no reason, like like just living here, yeah, just doing his thing. He wasn't really hurting anything per se, but he shouldn't be back there and he was just doing random weird stuff. You know. So then I never thought much of it. You know I called the cops get them out of there, that type of stuff, but I didn't think much of it. Well then we had the guy took a screwdriver this long, pries that glass door open on the patio and comes in and he's trying to pry open the cash register. And then I find out from the cops that he's done it to Marcos. He's done it to like four different restaurants on the street or buildings on the street, something he commonly does. I mean, and it, why not you get? You know you do that, go to jail. They let you right out. It's no big deal there you have it there.
Speaker 2:You have it yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean it's, I don't know, that's something that can't be. You know, and I know he's a part of Nord Center too. I mean, and I'm not trying to blame Nord Center, but there's got to be a better system for this stuff. You can't, like, freaking, just put these people out here and leave them homeless and let them, you know, harass businesses.
Speaker 2:Not, if you want. And here, more importantly, the leadership of the city has to have a better vision than that and they have to be involved in that and they can't allow it. And if the leadership of your community isn't running any interference there, then eventually business owners, tax paying citizens are going to vacate your city and you're going to be left with whatever it is you're left with. And so my appeal to the, to the city of Lorain, and I look and I'm, I'm in because I, because I pastor a congregation in the city of Lorain, so I'm invested and I want to pastor the city, I want to give the city vision and so, like you said, I feel responsible. So I'm trying, I'm going to do my very best to help provide a greater vision to get Lorain out of the basement.
Speaker 2:I believe Lorain is a Rembrandt that deserves to be pulled out of the basement. It has everything. It has everything you need, everything it just needs. You know it's like and I talked to my staff this morning. I said look, you know we can't normalize broken. You know, if you come in your shop and the door's broken and it's been broken and everybody knows it's broken, after a while it's just broken. It's like the house you go into and they don't know their house stinks like the animals they keep. You know what I mean. But when you come in you're like man, your house is funky. You know what I mean. Like it's that You've normalized this and I think that in the city of Lorain dysfunction has been normalized.
Speaker 2:P Lorraine dysfunction has been normalized, poverty has been normalized.
Speaker 2:A lot of stuff has just been allowed to just be normalized and it needs a greater visionary. It needs a mayor that's going to come to the table with great vision, great foresight, to look in front of the city and say I'm going to go find you some tenants for the Ford Motor Company. I'm going to go find a way to get funding for the river. I'm going to go find a way to get funding for the river. I'm going to. I'm going to find a way to get the railroad tracks off of the lakefront. I'm going to do my best to like clear out any land that's near the just just provide a vision. And if you provide a vision and you make it very clear, all you have to do is promote it, just consistently promote it and eventually you you know it it'll turn around. But you can't normalize broken. You can't normalize like that one, that where the uh, uh, the projects are over there, where monopolies or something used to be, where we yeah, yeah, the west gate shopping center west gate shopping center has been.
Speaker 2:I'm like, just tear it down. Just tear it down, man, plant grass, you know, because it's hard for people to see a building and envision something magnificent. But if you just plant grass it's easier for people to go. Hmm, I can see something going there, but not as long as there's a building that's just basically falling down. I think they're doing something now to it. I don't know what they're doing to it, probably a medical facility, but, or a dollar general, yeah, or car wash.
Speaker 1:That's what happened. Like when we hit that mark, like in 2008, I went from building like office spaces and things like that. We, we went to dollar stores big lots and and, uh, family dollars that's. I mean they were building them everywhere man and that was, I mean, I guess that's the beauty of what I do commercial, like it's something always, even now, like all the companies that went to like working from home, we ended up doing a lot of office spaces where they were downsizing so they were going into smaller spaces.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:So we ended up getting a lot of that type of stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, you remember Avon. Avon was nothing but farm fields, right, that's it. And the Avon Oaks Country Club, that's it. And somebody had a vision and somebody said but it wasn't damaged yet. That's the problem. Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1:But when I look at Lorraine, I see a thing like Cleveland.
Speaker 1:Cleveland. Yeah, if you remember in the 90s, what a piece of shit. I mean you didn't want to go in there, like you couldn't go to a ball game without a homeless guy bothering you when you would come right into an East 9th, it was all tents. Remember they had tent city there? Yeah, man, that was the flats. First thing they did was get rid of tent city. The very first thing they did was to get rid of those people in the tents that are at your gateway of coming into the city. You got to give dreamers somewhere to play, and now they've got. I mean, it's unreal, like the housing. I read an article that said that the housing in 2007, I think I want to say it was.
Speaker 1:I think there was like 12,000 units total or maybe it was 2,500 units and now it's like over 60,000 units residential units in downtown now it's really cool in there too. Like I went to one of the Cavs players.
Speaker 2:George Hill. I met him a while back. He took me up to his, up to his condo up there, you know, up on like the 13th floor or something it was really cool.
Speaker 1:Yeah, condo up there, you know, up on like the 13th floor or something it was really cool yeah. We built a couple of them. We built a couple of them and they were nice. They were very nice, real nice, it's over the river.
Speaker 2:I mean Lorraine could do that but it's got to have a visionary. It's got to have somebody that that's pushing.
Speaker 1:You got to have somebody that wants to push the money in too. I mean, you got to have people that want to invest.
Speaker 2:You have to have, but I think that it can happen.
Speaker 1:I think that if you get the right vision, I think that I even personally know enough people that would want to invest.
Speaker 2:I'd go down there and buy something if the vision was right, yeah, if I could see you chasing vision. But as long as you just keep normalizing broken like I'm man, I can't. I can't see myself doing none of that and I can't see myself living here Like I'm gonna come back and I'm gonna try to, I'm gonna swing as hard as I can for the fences for you, but I can't fix your broken mentality. You know poverty when you, when you see it, poverty is not in your pocket, poverty is in your mind and for a lot of, for a lot of people running things up there, I'm pretty broke.
Speaker 2:I don't know Bro. Poverty, you know as well as I do.
Speaker 1:I know poverty. It ain't in my mind it is it is.
Speaker 2:It is it is Because you don't have to have money to be rich.
Speaker 1:No, that's.
Speaker 2:True, Absolutely but you have to have a rich.
Speaker 1:Isn't that the theme of it's a Wonderful Life, you have to have a rich mind.
Speaker 2:To be rich, yeah, you can't have a poverty mind.
Speaker 1:You just cannot see things broken and be like that's, that's what I want, that's good, it's good enough. Yeah, lorraine has, I don't. It's always it seems like it's been that way most of my life, but I do remember being a kid and I loved it Like I remember, like I remember being like probably like 10, nine and going to like Lakeview park and it was like something from a vacation resort to me.
Speaker 2:It to be it was when we were amazing young. When we were young then yeah then it got real grimy, oh yeah. But you know, back in the day, you know, I had that big concrete thing in there. You know it was yeah, it was cool, it was like ice cream out and yeah, and it was just there was people everywhere it's nice now but it but it's, but you don't have the people down there.
Speaker 1:You don't have the enjoyment down there, although you don't have the people down there. You don't have the enjoyment down there, although you don't have the bullshit from the 90s. The 90s was like in the 90s, when you would go down there it was just punk kids and just trouble. There was no reason to go down there. So we were there, probably we were for sure.
Speaker 1:I remember cruising through every night, but I'm talking about stop there. I mean, there was a fight, a lot of fights went on there and there was no reason for that. That and Skate World? Yeah, Skate World was. I don't remember a lot of fights at Skate World, but I definitely was a few.
Speaker 2:I remember Louie Palos getting into a fight at Skate World with forget his name you know a fight with Louie he's so nice. I know Lou and, like you, know what. He got into a fight because this guy left his lights on and Louie saw it. So he reached inside the car and turned the guy's lights off and he came out.
Speaker 1:I think it was.
Speaker 2:Brooke, I think it was. I forget the guy's name. His first name is Brooke, and he came out and he seen Louie reaching his car and then he squared up with Louie and Louie's no punk, you know. So they just started swapping punches and that was that was. You know that was skate world. Yeah, that was skate world. Yeah, but skate world still looks the same. It still looks the same as it did when I was a kid. There's a lot of people go there though now, I know, but. But I'm like, come on.
Speaker 1:They have like these. It's been 30 years that go. They do they. I know I have a picture of me and skate world like years ago, like my argyle sweater and tail, yeah, probably, yeah and I got this picture and I'm looking at it and then I I was in skate world. Probably it's been a while now, probably 15 years, but we're taking joshua. It looked exactly the same, like I mean you could take that picture and set it right same shoes, bro, same shoes you mean skates the same skates?
Speaker 1:Yeah, same skates. That's it, man. I got sweat Go find a 10 and a half Same there, same there.
Speaker 2:It's there, it's still there.
Speaker 1:Some of your dad's sweat's still in the skate For sure, bro. Yeah, that's generational.
Speaker 2:Man, there's an experiment going on at the place.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's hilarious. They got to help the city, but I mean skating and that's just not that big of a thing anymore. I mean, what do you do like now? What's the big thing? Now? Pickleball is the new thing. Right, pickleball is the new thing. I mean that.
Speaker 2:See, they could do that at oakwood park they could do that anywhere, but do it, yeah, and then provide a safe environment for people to do it, for families to do it yeah, like oakwood Park was having shootings going on there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:You can't have. Look, I can't raise my kids. There's violence.
Speaker 1:No, not like that.
Speaker 2:Not like that no not like that.
Speaker 1:I mean there's violence everywhere. We had violence when we were kids.
Speaker 2:Yes, there's violence everywhere. We fought it can't be this normalized. I called the police one time and they're like yeah, there was a. There was somebody who dropped a bag of weed at the church in Lorain. Look at me. They dropped a bag of weed in the children's ministry of the church. A big sack, right.
Speaker 1:I walked in.
Speaker 2:I walked in and I could smell it and I'm like, becca, what's that smell? You know, she was like I don't know that this family just left and I'm like, no, what is that? And then so we looked around and can find it and eventually my wife found it and she's she's walking around. She's she's walking around with this bag and everywhere she goes you can smell it. Like now I'm like now it's in here, but she's like I found this, you know, and she's so innocent, and so I called the police and I say, hey, would you come get this?
Speaker 1:and you're like we don't want it, yeah I'm like what?
Speaker 2:what do you want me to do with it? Give it to verne verne wanted it okay. I'm like, what do you want me to do? It was like get rid of it. I'm like they dropped us in my kids church area where I yeah Well, they don't think of pot anymore like that. No big deal, man. They don't not anymore, and that's my point and that's such a gateway drug.
Speaker 1:That's my point, man.
Speaker 2:You can't normalize that stuff and be like eh, no big deal, I got bigger fish to fry. No man, we got to set a bigger vision. It's too late. Okay, so you can smoke weed, but let's hey, how about we don't smoke it while we drive?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I agree with that. Is that still illegal? I agree with that.
Speaker 2:But you and I both know you go down the road. You're like somebody is smoking.
Speaker 1:I've never had an accident, drinking and driving, but I smoked once.
Speaker 2:And the snowflakes were as big as basketballs. Right, there wasn't no snow. I still wrecked.
Speaker 1:When I was like 19, I was borrowing my mom's car and, yeah, I wrecked the damn thing and I was high.
Speaker 2:Oh man.
Speaker 1:And I didn't even smoke. At that point I was like beyond that, I was probably, maybe I was 20. I was beyond smoking, I really didn't smoke. But the guy I worked for at the time offered to smoke it with me, and I was. I was stupid. I just was like, oh okay. Then I drove home and wrapped my mom's car and there you go a little one, and now it's normal everybody's driving and smoking man I?
Speaker 2:I was on the highway the other day well, you ride a bike, you know.
Speaker 1:I mean, I look over it, I look over, I'm like what in the world?
Speaker 2:we were going on the highway and this car flew by us. I mean, I was going 70 and this car flew by. We were standing still. I'm slammed in the back of these old people. I pull off the side of the road because you know, I'm like oh no. And I walk up to the car of the person that hit the old people and it's facing the other way on I-90. And I get up to the car and I open the door and there's this young girl in there and the car is smoke's, rolling out, billowing out.
Speaker 1:Smoke's billowing out of the car, not from the engine, but from what you call that chi chi, that and chong yeah chi chin yeah, she was doing that.
Speaker 2:Whatever you just said, she was doing that. So I walk in and her leg is noticeably broken and she's just trying to get out of the car. She's panicked now. She's just trying to get out of the car. So, oh bro, I'm in trouble, I'm in trouble where's my phone? Help me get out of here. I'm like you couldn't walk if you wanted to. You know, you think your legs broke, you're, you know, and but she's driving well, you know when you're on the bike every, you smell it, every car you smell it constantly when you're on your bike at eight in the morning?
Speaker 1:yeah, going to the office yeah, I mean I don't smell as much in my truck, but when I'm on the bike I I smell it all the time.
Speaker 2:All the time and you're like who's smoking weed at eight in the morning? Is your life that bad that you've got to smoke weed at eight in the morning.
Speaker 1:I mean, it's here, we have to accept it, though. It's like alcohol. It's here.
Speaker 2:It's here we cannot let people smoke, weed and drive. I don't disagree. We can't do that. I don't disagree.
Speaker 1:We can't, we can't I don't disagree.
Speaker 2:It's where I'm like okay, you can smoke it.
Speaker 1:Just go home, but the world has accepted that it is acceptable.
Speaker 2:It's probably I don't know, and it sucks.
Speaker 1:I agree with you.
Speaker 2:I'm not here to demonize weed. I hate it. I'm just here driving vehicles, this three pound, three thousand pound machine, I don't like it at all.
Speaker 1:I never have, I never. My mom smokes weed. Still to this day she'll smoke, but and my, I remember my daughter when she was 18 or something like that, and me fighting with her, you know, and she said I'll take a drug test anytime, blah, blah, and it's like I smell weed in your freaking car. I'm pissed because I can smell it. You know what I mean. And she's like she goes the only thing I'll pass positive for is pot. I go. That's drugs. I mean to me, that's drugs. I don't know what the hell you're talking about right now. This is drugs.
Speaker 2:It's still drugs today, Jim. I know they passed the law and made it legal, but it's still a drug. It wasn't even legal then, but they had it, but still it was an attitude towards it.
Speaker 1:There was this it's no big deal. Yeah, it was like all over. Not only was it no big deal, it was the best thing you could do, it was the greatest thing in the world. I go that was getting sick of hearing it. It's not the best thing in the world, it's stunting your mind. Your mind's not working right?
Speaker 2:It's not, and it opens up a lot and it's what it's doing to another generation. So that argument is so infuriating me? Because what I see is a bunch of parents who smoke weed who are raising children, and because their life revolves around this lifestyle of smoking weed, their children are growing up and whatever you do, an inch of your children will do a mile of oh yeah, it's no big deal, that's normal and so we're ruining another generation because of our habits and because of what we normalize, and that's I don't know if that's true, though because, personally, my dad was a big drinker and that's why I wouldn't
Speaker 2:be. Well, you're the anomaly, you're not. You're not. You're not normal. You saw it. There's one of two ways people go when they get into these things. It's either you resist it with everything in you and you're like I'm never doing that, I'm coming out of that, I'm going to break that cycle, that giant's going to die. Or you just get swept up into it and you're like everybody does it, it's normal.
Speaker 1:Or or isn't there like? But isn't there that, like, your parents are lame? Doesn't that come into play at all?
Speaker 2:my parents are like your parents are lame. What do you mean?
Speaker 1:well, when you're, my parents are not lame. When you were 16, you thought they were. I mean, that's just the way it is. I don't even know my dad, but you know what I'm saying. When you're 16, you're like they're lame, like you know what I mean. So you're like they're lame. Of course, you know what I mean, of course. So what they're doing is lame, but I still need a parent to be a parent.
Speaker 2:That's why you need a parent to be a parent. Yeah, no, that was a lot of our conversation before, like last week. I'm like, no, if the parents don't develop and hold firm to a standard, what you do an inch know it's okay. And we need parents to be parents today and we need kids to know that they have parents that are parents you know?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, I think that they just need everybody needs to be able to be told the truth, and they don't like it when you do. You know, when they're like I'm a girl, like you say bullying you know A little bit. You got to bully a little bit.
Speaker 2:It's more like positive peer pressure. If you don't want to call it bullying, I get it, but I come from an era that bullying had its place and it checked you. It checked you from getting out of control doing things, but it was a little more positive back then. Today, I guess I don't remember you getting bullied at school ever no, but I remember bullies it was Vern and Johnny. I mean I didn't have.
Speaker 1:Vern and Johnny were bullying. I had an insurance policy. Right, vern and John were bullies, right, yeah.
Speaker 2:Like I had an insurance policy.
Speaker 1:Could you imagine coming home at like 12 and telling Johnny that you were a cat?
Speaker 2:Right, cat Right. I mean Vern would smack me across the room. My boy, get out of here. You know it's like you know it just wouldn't work and your friends would have jacked you up.
Speaker 1:If your friends would have made fun of you.
Speaker 2:you would have been made fun of, and today you don't have it.
Speaker 1:Today, it's like you know, I think we need more closed-minded people. Honestly, I really do.
Speaker 2:I we need people that that have, that, have conviction, conviction, yeah, okay, deep conviction, principled people. I always say it like if you don't determine your principles before your temptation comes, then your weakness will determine it for you. Like, if you don't, if you don't make up your mind what you say no to, you'll never say no to anything all right.
Speaker 1:Well, I got a challenge for both of us. What's the challenge? Sometime in the next month, we both do something positive for Lorraine, somehow, some way.
Speaker 2:I mean.
Speaker 1:Small, big, whatever, just something.
Speaker 2:I'm down, I'm down, but, like I said, I'm there every week.
Speaker 1:I already got an idea what I want to do, and what do you want to do? I want to at Oakwood Park. I want to a lot of places you go. I don't see them a lot around here but like I, I see them out in Willowick and I see them in Vermillion. They have those boxes where you you know you're done with a book, you just put it in the box.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:I think I'd like to put a couple of those Oakwood Park. I'd like to put one for books and one for canned goods. Maybe, if you're done with it, just put beer. You don't need it, use it, you just don't stick it in there. Somebody else comes along and they want it. They could take it and I just have to build boxes to do that with.
Speaker 2:I see Okay.
Speaker 1:And I think at Oakwood Park maybe do one at Oakwood and somewhere else and I mean I'm not going to, I mean I'm going to put Madhouse on them, I'm not I definitely want my marketing. It's going to be a write-off. I'm not saying it's not.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1:I don't know, I think that's something I'd like to do. I think I'd like to do something and I think Lorraine would be a good spot to do it. I even see in Elyria they have in downtown Elyria they even have a book exchange.
Speaker 2:I see them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I see them, but I never see them around here. I think, it'd be a good idea.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know what I want to do yet. I'll figure something out. I'll do something big, but it'd probably take me a month to get it done.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I want to do.
Speaker 2:yeah, I can't do nothing big I want to call Elon and see if he'll come over here and buy a distill mill and use it. Do something huge. Yeah, do something huge.
Speaker 1:Yeah, do something big. You know it's not just a still mill. When you look at that because I was looking at it on a map, you know we knew what we were going to talk about today or whatever. So I was kind of looking at different things and I was looking on a map and do you realize that there is so much land? Basically, from 28th Street it goes almost I mean it goes for one straight to 611. That's all just land, forestry, whatever. But then there's huge open areas. It's gorgeous down there, but I'm saying like there's huge areas that are like to the right of Root Road in that area that go, I mean, forever. There's just huge open fields there. It's not even being farmed or nothing, it's just trees and forest.
Speaker 2:I've hunted it back there. Yeah, when I was younger I would sneak back in there and I would hunt deer and rabbits and stuff that goes forever.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, it's massive.
Speaker 2:There's land back there for days and I can't even on that side. So let's just say you don't go to the other side, you know, but you come across tracks to the east side and you just utilize the east side.
Speaker 1:There's enough over there to do. Oh yeah, it's massive.
Speaker 2:You could do it.
Speaker 1:And then then I heard talks of like somebody a couple of guys coming in with a go-kart or a racetrack of some sort.
Speaker 2:Did you hear this conversation? No?
Speaker 1:I didn't hear that. Yeah, I guess Like one of the electric go-kart places.
Speaker 2:I don't think it's electric. I think it's like some like dirt track racetrack situation. I could be wrong. I just I heard it and I thought it was bizarre. I'm like that's the plan for over there. Yeah, it's a stupid On the east side. I'm like that's let's build some condos down there. Let's build, come on, like I will sit on a panel or you know, like, look, you just need, you need condos, you need restaurants, you need places for boats to come in and out of there yeah, that's all reason for boats to come in, and once you do that, marinas is a huge.
Speaker 1:That marinas would be huge, it would just be like.
Speaker 2:it's nice that one place down there on um, down there where I built the condos across from the lake, the still yard, not the still yard or not still yard?
Speaker 1:No, no, the shipyard.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, there's a restaurant down there. I go to eat down there. It's really nice. It's really nice, yeah, but there's nothing else, that's it.
Speaker 1:No, nothing else.
Speaker 2:So I just say keep doing that on that side, and you know this yeah, you kind of extend it down.
Speaker 1:I mean the shipyards would be part of that, but it needs like a couple, like buffets or you know, jimmy buckets or something right on the river yeah where people could come up.
Speaker 2:You could buy some land. You could take your whole setup over there. You could dock your boat permanently right out of the back of your your place yeah, you could put a marina there.
Speaker 1:You, oh, you mean, I could do that over there, you could do this there, I could do this there. Yeah, you buying this? I'm down if somebody buys this.
Speaker 2:I mean, just set it up. We got people that want this, and I'm not in the bar business.
Speaker 1:I'm in the that Jackalope is closed though. Yeah, what happened to that? Jackalope is closed though.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what happened to that? Why did that?
Speaker 1:close. Food costs are just high. They're really really really high.
Speaker 2:It's hard, for I think we need to vote right then.
Speaker 1:I mean that's to some degree. Yeah, voting helps. I mean, isn't it going to help now that they're freaking? Closing all the ports down, all the way across the coast, you know.
Speaker 2:The world's on fire right now and everybody's just pretending like it's not.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, it's not looking good.
Speaker 2:Israel's under fire. Iran is just. We got Russia and China off the coast of Alaska. We got North Carolina, tennessee, mudslides, near 1,000 people.
Speaker 1:They're saying they're projecting missing or dead. Are you seeing, like all those like where that water flooded? Like how much like muck is there? It's a mudslide Just ran over people's houses and swept them away forever.
Speaker 2:It's wild, then we're digging people out of the dirt forever, like it's just horrible.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean it's not as bad as Katrina was. I don't know it looks really bad, but it's bad and it's widespread.
Speaker 2:It's like whole valleys just. Yeah, but there's areas like close by that didn't get hurt where katrina, everything got damaged because then I looked at uh, my, my daughter's getting married soon, which is that's all terrifying thing to think about.
Speaker 1:But do you like him? Yeah?
Speaker 2:joe's a good dude, but um, we're getting ready to send her down.
Speaker 1:Uh, how many boyfriends has she had that she didn't like. That's the question.
Speaker 2:He was the only one. Oh, okay, he was the only one. All right, okay, yeah, so.
Speaker 1:Yeah, lexi had a few that I was just like, oh God, what am I going to do? I can't talk to this kid. I have nothing in common with him.
Speaker 2:For the longest time I'm like.
Speaker 1:I didn't like I never even knew and they'd be like Joe's coming over, like who's Joe? You know? I mean, I just learned his name a year ago. You ever see that? That skit with Terry Bradshaw and uh, when he was on, uh, family Feud no, oh, it's one of the funniest skits. Oh, yeah, it's, it's. It's not a skit. He's on Family Feud and he's got his whole family's there or whatever oh, he's asking him who the?
Speaker 1:wife is, or whoever, and then he goes, and then there's so, and so he ain't in the circle yet, or whatever he's not allowed in yet that's, he made him riding coach, or?
Speaker 2:something. Yeah, yeah, I, I, uh, I like him. He's a, he's a great, he's real, principled, um, you know, he's just quiet, thoughtful, pensive, firm.
Speaker 1:That's good. Yeah, I got lucky with my kids. I'm good with everybody they're with so far. Yeah so far, so far yeah.
Speaker 2:So far we know a place in West Virginia.
Speaker 1:So hey, be careful, see them in big run. Yeah, I forget what I was saying but anyhow, anyhow, yeah, I think that's a cool thing. I think that we make one one this month, one gesture for, and I think that's what I want to do. I think that's what my little thing.
Speaker 2:I got this thing coming up. It's called trip to hell. I do trip to hell.
Speaker 1:It's called trip to hell that's not what you're supposed to do. You're a pastor, dude. You're screwing this up. I'm taking people. I'm people.
Speaker 2:I'm giving people a real life depictions of hell on earth, but hope in the midst of the hell. And so all these different scenarios. A bunch of young people are going to portray it. I'm doing it on the property over there in Lorraine, off of Levitt, and I'll do a two night drama presentation, from 630 to till the morning hours, okay, and they'll just go through scene to the morning hours and they'll just go through scene to scene to scene and in the end they'll have an opportunity to give their life to Jesus. But the whole scenes are real-life depictions that kids are challenged with today Drug abuse, addiction, identity crisis, school shootings, drinking driving, abortions, suicide, and then and then you know, but in in the midst of all of these scenes, there's the, there's this moment where you realize that Jesus is present with you in all of it and that if you, if you just reach out, you know.
Speaker 2:So I'm going to. I'm going to do that at the end of October and what I'm going to do is I'm going to give away a ton of tickets and give. I'm just going to give a bunch of them away. So I'll figure out, but that's what I'm going to do. I'm going to give.
Speaker 2:I'm like a Halloween thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's kind of like that you know like's kind of like that we kind of capitalize on that idea.
Speaker 2:But with the religious, yeah, but it's with a positive message that says, if you're dealing with depression or you're overwhelmed in life, there's hope, there's hope, and so it's really a powerful moment at the end. So you have to come through, but I'm going to give away a ton of those. That's what I'm going to do. I'm having a clam bake this weekend. I know I saw that I was like man. I'm going to come through and pick up some. They're really good, dude. Yeah, I love clam bakes.
Speaker 1:They're really good. I mean Joe Bennett, I mean these are New England clams. They're big. He cleans them good. No grit in them. I mean, and that chicken, the half chicken's phenomenal. It's on Sunday at 1 o'clock during the game.
Speaker 2:Man.
Speaker 1:It's during the game 1 to 5 or whatever. It's during the game.
Speaker 2:I'm going to have to send somebody through to pick up something for me. Yeah, I can do that Because I'm from 8 to 4, I'm gone.
Speaker 1:I can get you tickets now, while you're here, and then you could just and that basket I gave to someone else. Did you? I was going to cancer right now. She worked here a while ago and so did her daughter, and her daughter reached out and wanted to get something for them to raffle off at it.
Speaker 2:They're going to do it Saturday. They're going to do an event Saturday.
Speaker 1:I didn't need it, but I was just so. They're going to raffle it off for Lisa Davis's benefit. So I added some stuff to it. I added a bottle and a wine and then sent it out. I didn't send a wine in a bottle.
Speaker 2:Does she have like a? Does she have like a like? How can?
Speaker 1:I give. I will let you know. I will find out from Sarah whenever I know she's supposed to see my wife. She was actually. It's weird enough.
Speaker 1:she was married to me and her were married to brother and sister before and we're both away from brother and sister, and then she was working, but she's a bus driver and her mom's a bus driver in Westlake schools and they were just doing it, you know, in the summertime when there's not really worth. But Lisa's a wonderful person, but she's going through cancer right now. Sorry, sad enough, but that's where it went anyways, that's where your basket went, it's all good man.
Speaker 2:All I was trying to do was put I'm like I'm just going to call all my guys that don't run businesses. I'm going to try to promote them. Yeah, hopefully I'll do better.
Speaker 1:I've just been so busy because I've got so much construction going on, right?
Speaker 2:now.
Speaker 1:And, like you say about not finding people, I mean I haven't had a bunch so I'm having to do more, oh man, but I think I'm going to get to a point. I think I'm going to have enough guys where I can just manage, which is where I need to be because I've got to be bidding yeah, Just going and doing the finer things that have to be because I got to be bidding and just going and doing the finer things that have to be done or the fine tuning things that have to be done. I never completely don't work. I mean I didn't get. One time I had 15 carpenters and I still would work, you're still out there swinging a hammer.
Speaker 1:What would happen is I would be bidding a lot for maybe like six months. I might bid forever. And then all of a sudden I got so much work I to catch up, so I go out in the field and I start catching up.
Speaker 2:Then all of a sudden I go well, I'm gonna run out of work soon, so I would go back and you like, when you go into work and you're working, are you like the jerk, are you like a jerk boss? You're like come on, everybody, work harder um, I lead by example.
Speaker 1:I'm a beast. I like to, I like to race. Yeah, you're me, I love to race.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're me. I don't need you, I can do this all by myself.
Speaker 1:I had this kid, wade. We were doing the. They had converted the old Eagles Club to a church right there in Amherst. That, right there at that split that Y by the apartments. Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, that Eagles Club. When they converted that, we did that work and I went there to do the grid and Wade thought he was a hot shot. He was doing his thing at the time. I mean he was moving and grooving, he knew what he was doing. And I go in there to do grid with him the one day and we got the big sanctuary wide open you know what I mean and we start running and I'm tearing him up. I mean I'm just chewing him up and I mean I got him. But I mean he sees me, he starts coming right behind me. He's trying, he's trying. I wouldn't let him catch up, though. I would not let him catch up, dude, I was almost crippled the next day.
Speaker 1:I am I'll get in and start working.
Speaker 2:Put the pressure on them. Yeah, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so when is this going to happen?
Speaker 2:This trip to hell trip to hell is going to take place the last, I think it's. I think it's October 26th, 27th, I think it's that October 26th, I think it is, but you can go to the website and check it out, but I'll have better dates. I don't really do all that. There's people that do it.
Speaker 1:Now, what's the age groups? Do you know that?
Speaker 2:Oh, man, it's for as young as you feel they're mature enough to deal with these things, and it's younger and younger every year. So you know, kids are faced with these things every day, so it's no sense trying to keep it from them. If they're faced with it at school, bring them to trip to hell. I'm telling you, this production is impactful, it's compelling, it's just, oh, it's gripping. My daughter plays the girl that has the abortion. Really, oh my goodness, ugh, yeah, man.
Speaker 2:There's a school shooting, there's a suicide scene, there's a party bully. You know a scene where there's a party and there's a school shooting.
Speaker 1:Did you play?
Speaker 2:that one? No, no, I was not a bully. You're saying that I was not a bully.
Speaker 1:You're saying that I was not a bully.
Speaker 2:I didn't say you were a bully, but you said bullying needs to come back. There's a bullying, yeah, but that's not good today, but it was better back in our day. It was more wholesome, you know.
Speaker 1:I didn't ever feel like bullying was a problem.
Speaker 2:No, I didn't either. I just felt like I didn't know that there mean, I remember being intimidated by certain groups of guys, but it wasn't like I was getting wedgier or anything by anybody.
Speaker 1:No, but I'm older kids best In South Lorraine. When I lived in South Lorraine where I was at my grandma's I didn't live there, but I'd be at my grandma's We'd go run around the creek by 36 or something. There was some kids that were probably like 16 and I'm like 10 that are like chasing you home, like and I'm sure they were just having their kicks they weren't going to do nothing if they caught you and they weren't going to catch me, I promise I was really fast, so I just run, I just yeah, you couldn't catch me.
Speaker 1:That's the only reason I had, so much security around me. I had the hartman's, I had nicky carl tony vernon johnny, one of them's kid lives back here, really right behind this house. That's back here. She uh had a kid with one, I think nicky, I think then nicky yeah, and then his son, brandon, lives across the street.
Speaker 2:Speaking of nicky I remember one time with nicky there was these kids being bullied in the woods over there by Clearview and I remember somebody going and getting Nicky and Nicky came in and I thought, yeah, nicky's going to smack one of these boys Because he was a tough Hartman. All the Hartmans were just terrified of him Because Carl was absolutely crazy I don't know where he is today, but but Nikki came back and he just said, hey man, he was so rational and lucid and composed that stuck with me my whole life. I thought I want to be that guy. I don't want to be the guy Like. I want to be the guy that walks in and say, hey man, stop, if you beat him up then he's going to go get his friends, he's going to beat you up.
Speaker 2:I remember him having this rational conversation. I was like man, I want to be like nicky. You know what I mean. Like. I think nicky was like. I don't want to be like the rest of my family ball crazy, beating people up my whole life. So let me be rational. I was like man. I want to be like that. That's a better way to be you know good story.
Speaker 1:I never wasn't much and I didn't. I never liked'd get angry, though I mean I would when I was a kid. And then I can't shut it off. But I mean, I try everything to avoid a fight. I've always been a fighter. I did too. I never was a big fighter, I hated it. I just wanted to go out and have fun. Even if you win, you're going to be sore, you're still going to get you might get stabbed, like that was always.
Speaker 2:I never was. I remember getting shot at many times. Man, you got shot at, I got shot at a lot. It's a miracle that I'm alive. I remember one time specifically yeah, I was at giant.
Speaker 1:You must be older.
Speaker 2:No, man, I was just in scenarios where I was just. I remember this guy smacking me in the back of the head with a semi-automatic pistol. It looked 45 caliber. He was just a finger on the trigger smacking me and I'm because Johnny's yelling at him and I'm picked up Johnny like no, let's go. But he's smacking me in the back of the head and I'm so surprised the gun didn't go off. Then a couple of times we were running around with little Dave and Louie and them and crack, crack, crack, gunfire goes off. Another gun, another time.
Speaker 2:Man, we were so many, it's a miracle that I'm sitting here in front of you.
Speaker 1:I had guns go off at my house. They came in the house. I had bullets go through the bedroom upstairs. They come through the apartments. There's like creek and like woods or whatever, and then they must have shot.
Speaker 1:I don't know if they're shooting at a tree or what they're doing, but they come through and they hit the house twice. It happened. Well, the second time it happened, the cop comes out and he's looking at it or whatever, and this asshole, like you, say about common, like it's commonplace nothing, they're doing nothing about it. For one about about the bullets. And then he's like if you want to get rid of that truck, because I was oh no, that was the golf balls. Those apartments. Someone was hitting golf balls into my backyard. Yeah, I picked up like 18 golf balls in the backyard. I mean, dylan plays back there. I can't have a golf ball. Just crack him in his head in his trampoline.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying, like and I call the cops, they tell me there's nothing I could do about. It's not illegal to hit golf balls at a house. He goes. If it breaks something, or that he goes, then you have the right to sue them for you know, damages or whatever. That's what I'm saying, man. I'm like you got to be kidding me right now. How is that not illegal Like that?
Speaker 2:has to be illegal.
Speaker 1:You can't throw rocks at my kids. Yeah, I mean it has to be illegal, it has to be. But then the same guy he said because the one came across, like the like, hit the roof of the house right and my raptor was parked in the front and he goes well, if you get a dent in that one, to sell it pretty cheap, let me know. That's the cops that do. I want to choke them. I wanted to choke them out. You see, I was so mad.
Speaker 1:Why would you say that I mean boiling like, just like you know, that's like I don't know, just not fixing a problem you should run for mayor of the city of Lorain, Jim. You got to live in Lorain first. You do? I'm pretty sure I thought that was always the case. Yeah, I think so. I mean, I don't know. I think you have to live in the city that you're going to be a mayor of.
Speaker 2:If you run for mayor. I'll consider it.
Speaker 1:I'll consider it. Consider. Here's the problem. Yes, I would love, let's get. I would love to do something like that. The problem is do I know how to make the things happen? Of course you do I don't think I do what do you mean I can learn them? I can learn them, but I don't know how to do it right now. I don't know the steps you think they do. No, I don't. You think they don't know how to do it right now. I don't know the steps you think they do.
Speaker 2:No, I don't. You think they don't, or do you just?
Speaker 1:No, I don't think they do. You don't know. I don't think they know at all. I don't think they do either.
Speaker 2:And so I'm just saying like I'd rather put my trust in a guy that built something from nothing than a guy that you know like just political politician whole life. But you have to live in Lorain.
Speaker 1:You have to live in the city to be there, and I'm not throwing shade at anybody just so we're clear.
Speaker 2:I don't want anyone to come after me. I'm not a fan of Bradley. I say it all the time Like, look, I'm not a fan of any politician right now.
Speaker 1:I just don't see why you would have a criminal attorney run a city. That's, I mean, the last thing we needed.
Speaker 2:I worked for the city for 10 years and I'm telling you, when I worked for the city for 10 years, it was very apparent to me that everybody was putting in time and that was what was wrong with the city, because as long as you had the seniority, that's how you moved up in the city. So it wasn't competence, it wasn't innovation, it wasn't go get it, work hard, achieve anything. I believe in the Bible. God gave one man one bundle of money, another one two bundles and another one five. And he said I'll be back Now, go invest it, go work. And the person that made more, he said good job. The person that did nothing, he said you're wicked, lazy and idle. And that was what was wrong with that system in Lorraine. It was just they rewarded apathy, they rewarded just prison sentence mentality where you just come to work.
Speaker 2:The dude I worked for listen, the dude I worked for every day. He couldn't spell, couldn't read or write. He spelled patch wrong one time because he copied and pasted day to day. He spelled it wrong one time and for them, for, and every day I check he's put a pettage, pettage. And I was going to work for him and I'm like I can't keep working here. Man. You guys, you know what I mean and they're you know, and I'm like I'm working for you guys, because you've outlasted everyone else and eventually I was like you know, it was a well-paying job. I thank George Corey for hooking a brother up back in the day.
Speaker 2:But I'm telling you, if you want the city to thrive, you're going to have to put people in that are maybe they don't know the answers, but at least they go get it, at least they wake up every day and they're like I'm going to turn this pile of one into a pile of two and then I'm going to turn a pile of two into a pile of four. You don't need to know the answers, but you do need to have ambition and you do need a policy and a procedure that's set in place that says we're not going to normalize drug use, we're not going to normalize poverty mentality. We're not going to normalize poverty mentality. We're not going to, you know, we're not going to keep buildings boarded up forever. We're just going to raise them and plant grass. You know, like it's just little things like that I think the city could do.
Speaker 1:And it needs vision. They were doing that for a while.
Speaker 2:It needs vision. It needs vision and it needs a man that's ambitious. It needs innovation and I'm willing to contribute. Clearly I am. I still have my church there in Lorain. People you know offered me other places to go. I'm staying there. I want to, I want, I love Lorain. I'm born in. You know. I've gone to other places in the world and I've met people from Lorain and I'm like you're from Lorain. I mean literally as soon as I meet him, I'm like where are you from?
Speaker 1:My brother said that he didn't tell him Hawaii 100% Dude you're from?
Speaker 2:where are you from? You're from Northeast Ohio. You might be Lorraine, you know it is that way, and I just think it needs a lot of vision, and so I would challenge, I would challenge the voters to stop putting people in that promise you presents, that promise you a couple of bucks, that promise you? You know a Snickers bar. Stop doing that. Vote for vision. Put people in who have a vision, who cast a good vision, who can see the future and actually are able to say this is what I see for you and this is what I see for the city.
Speaker 1:Well, I think what it needs is I think a mayor is a mayor, yeah, I guess, but you need Starts with a mayor. It does start with a mayor, but what you do need is you need a committee, maybe we talked about that.
Speaker 2:yeah, I think that's.
Speaker 1:What they need is a committee people to bounce each other's ideas off with a framework of ideas, Like maybe you lock in a goal. You know what I'm saying? We lock in a goal. This is what we want. We want something done with the mill. We want something done on the riverfronts. We want to bring some kind of industry back to some degree, something I'm going to give you scripture.
Speaker 2:The Bible says my people perish for a lack of vision. There's no vision. Habakkuk tells us write a vision down. Make it simple so people can run. There's just nothing to run to.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you get that. You make that vision of what you want it to look like in 10 years, 15 years, 20 years and then get that committee and then say this is how we want to do it.
Speaker 2:Let's clean up the city. Let's bring tax dollars back to the city. Let's improve our school systems. Let's make it safe here. Let's hire more police officers, more teachers, let's get rid of the administration of teachers and let's have more teachers than we do admins, and get rid of the yeah, let's get rid of those guys.
Speaker 1:That should just go on in the whole world.
Speaker 2:Let's get rid of those guys. We don't need all of this. We need less admin than workers. You need more workers and listen to your workers. You know those guys down there on the East Coast right now, those shoremen. Listen to those guys and give them what they want, because they're making the world go around right now, absolutely, and they're going to teach you a painful lesson right now and if you're voting for Kamala, you might want to reconsider, because you know right now it's more of what you're going to get.
Speaker 1:It doesn't matter, Even if they make them go back to work. He already said we will do the very minimum. You know what I mean, Because they can only make him go back for like nine months.
Speaker 2:Don't make him Give them what they want, just give these guys what they want?
Speaker 1:No, but the president has the power to make him go back to work.
Speaker 2:I know, but don't make him. But he said, if you make him Be a better president than that If you make him go back. It's over.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, you're supposed to go sit with them and help them negotiate.
Speaker 2:It's the only honorable thing to do. That's what I think it's an honorable thing to do, you know? Yeah, just respect people.
Speaker 1:You know, you say that that's funny because my brother, he was running a paint at Rydell and he still does, actually but he was running a paint room that does all the NFL helmets and all that stuff and they changed the paints and stuff like that. Never once asked him to have him try them. He was so annoyed because he's like I'm the one out here spraying this. Why would we not come to me and find out if this was the better product or not? You know what I?
Speaker 2:mean, you should have asked him.
Speaker 1:Eventually they did go with what he was saying, I believe, but he had to deal with some pains, you know, for a minute and it agitated, I mean, and he's just irritated at work anyways.
Speaker 2:And a simple question could have stopped him from being irritated and had everybody in a better mood. Well, if he felt a little bit of honor there and respect. He's been there that long. It's just man. The world is so grimy dude, it's so messed up.
Speaker 1:Well, that's a. It's hard to, that's a whole nother, but I think that would be the thing to do the mayor yeah, mayor with the vision, but a committee to help him put that vision into play and come up with some. I'll be on the committee, you'd be on the committee some, some.
Speaker 2:I'd be more than willing to be on the committee, for sure all right, jack, go get a committee and me and jim will join the committee yeah, I think that that could be huge.
Speaker 1:I mean, you get like a Gardini, scottie Campana. You get all those guys together and tell them to go down there and invest some money.
Speaker 2:Although just go on the other side of the Black River and build that side, Forget about the mill. Make it so desirable, they wouldn't have a choice Get on the other side and go oh man, Millionaires will come in and be like, yeah, this is making money, this is a good idea.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Because you've got to paint a compelling vision, you've got to put something out.
Speaker 1:The problem is, I think, where it comes into play. Why this side is the most important is because it's the smoothest transition in, because you can come right down 57, or you could come right down Broadway and cut over make it happen.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:It's been down there for years, that six 11 cut is hard to deal with, even though it's 50 miles an hour, like nobody ever does 50, and it's just people just don't take that route coming in. You know what I mean? It's just not that it would be good.
Speaker 2:I mean honestly 57, 57 would be good. Yeah, because it would just bring the life everything everything along 57, I mean like I drove by the hills. I drove by hills the other day I'm like, oh my gosh, like that's still there. And I don't go down there often. You know like it's rare that I get to cut through the city and everything, but when I do do I'm like that building's still there.
Speaker 1:Well, Campana had it forever. He was doing his rods out of there forever. They had a nice little business going there for a while, had a lot of people employed there. They were working. I don't know, I don't think they've been doing it there for a while now.
Speaker 2:No, it's whatever it is. It's empty, that it's empty.
Speaker 1:That's bad. Yeah, I think everything's over at Clark. I don't know if Campana owns that, though I have no idea who owns that. I have no clue.
Speaker 2:I know, but yeah.
Speaker 1:I think it would be cool. I think that would be the way to do it.
Speaker 2:We should make Guido the next mayor.
Speaker 1:Guido, the next mayor. Mm-hmm, guido is the unofficial mayor. Anyways, he is. Everybody knows, guido, everybody knows. Guido, guido, run for mayor, yeah, the problem with Guido is he has friends forever. You know his friends are your friends forever.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But then as soon as he's not your friend, he's done, that's it. Lock, that's it. He doesn't want nothing to say with you anymore. He has nothing to talk to you about. Lock, that's it.
Speaker 2:He won't nothing to say with you anymore, he has nothing to talk to you about. That's it, it's a wrap. No, guido, you gotta let that go man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he doesn't let it forgive.
Speaker 2:No, there's no forgiving that book says you have to forgive.
Speaker 1:No, 70 times seven he just switches him, he's like no no forgiveness here, buddy. Nothing for I, got nothing for you yeah, he goes like there's no reason to. I don't see a reason to. Oh, that's all he's.
Speaker 2:That's how he sees it I don't know, oh no, that's the sacred man there's. We got to learn in society to hold on to the sacred and just withstand and and and make it through the differences. But if we just hold on to the sacred and eventually, you know, let the dust settle around what we disagree about, about whatever it is. Some of you mad at somebody, you know. Let the dust settle around what we disagree about about whatever it is, some of you mad at somebody. You know. This is what I try to teach people Like just hold on to the sacred. People are sacred, the people that God's put in your life. They're sacred. Hold on to them. Stop throwing them away, stop disposing of them so easily. It's so easy to do. The harder thing to do, the thing that develops more character in you, is to hold on to somebody you know. You have relationships Like we've been friends forever, forever, right, that's rare. It's easy to just walk away from people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't think that we ever had any beef that I can think of, that I know of. I mean, we went our own ways.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but there's people in your life. If you just hold on, just hold on, there's nobody. Like like we could hit, talk for real, like there's nobody in life, like I got certain people, and it's the people from that era, like fourth grade to like eighth grade or whatever. It is those people you can talk to different, you feel different about them. I don't know what it is, but there's something about that, that group that's just different. You know what I'm saying? Like marlin you know, I'm from.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean like marlin. I could. I haven't talked to marlin forever, but I guarantee you, me and marlin could have lunch tomorrow and we're good like our. Yeah, we would be chopping it up immediately and it's it's just, and you know that you can be honest and you feel okay with them and they're just. You just don't feel like that unless it's just and you know that you can be honest and you feel okay with them and they're just. You just don't feel like that unless it's like. You're those people from those I don't know what it is, those that's I tried to tell with Dylan, like these relationships right now.
Speaker 2:Believe it or not, these are your people, yeah, you got to hold on to them, though, and you got to. There's so many people. Today we live in a disposable society you think Use thing once, throw it away. Somebody does something wrong to you. Look, guido, man, you got to get over that. You got to hold on to people. Man, there's some really good people that, if you hold on to them through the stuff and, look, I get it, I get it. There's a lot of people that have done me dirty, but I'm like, I'm not throwing nobody in the trash, man, I'm not. I'm not be your friend. I'm going to go to bat for you. I'm going to call you up. I'm going to sit down at the lunch table with you and pretend like we're cool, because I believe we are, and I just want to encourage people. Hold on to people. People are sacred. The stuff that's happening in your life. Look, everybody's facing their own stuff and they're all going through it. They're all jacked up. Everybody's faced with fears, yeah, and they're all jacked up.
Speaker 1:You know, everybody's faced with fears. Yeah, people get mad and it's like you say, like people get mad at people and think that that person is something.
Speaker 2:It's not personal.
Speaker 1:Whatever it is. I don't even know what it is, but it's really usually about that person.
Speaker 2:It is. It's never about you, it's always about that person.
Speaker 1:It's maybe their own insecurity or whatever it is. It's all them is it's all them, it's not, it's never has to do with you and it's not anything. And you're right that there's a big disconnect from people understanding that I think. I think people don't really like I'm. I feel like I'm good with, like, I understand, like, like my wife is one that she's not like. I'm the first person that somebody what comes and I kind of understand, I mean I, I don't agree with it. Right, you don't have to agree with it just because I don't agree with it, right, you don't have to agree with it.
Speaker 2:Just because I don't agree with it doesn't mean I don't understand it. And he's like oh man, my wife's not that person.
Speaker 1:She's just like. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:I'm not saying she's evil, or nothing, I'm not saying that, she's just harder people.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. Like her family, you don't ever see that you could have made that decision, or I get you know, the worst thing somebody could do in life is is probably the worst thing that you're capable of.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that's at the end of the day, you you need to know that you're capable of a lot a lot of evil, a lot of evil, a lot of horrible.
Speaker 2:Yeah, know that you're capable of a lot, a lot of evil, a lot of evil, a lot of horrible. Yeah, that's 100. And then when we were talking last week, you were talking about like no, most most time people are good. I'm like no man, there is some resident evil in people that, if we're honest, like we think horrible thoughts, we're just like I know me. I look in the mirror and I'm like, oh, that's scary, like I. I just look and I'm like I, I don't know, I still think most people want to be they want to be.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but there is this, there is this nature of them that's bad and most of it's not personal and most of it, most of it's attached to just really bad things that have happened to people. I heard something say this the other day. My buddy, I heard something say this the other day. My buddy, patrick Davis, said this. It was fantastic. He said most of us see, our soul doesn't know, doesn't have an age. It experiences life at every age and so when something happens to us at a particular age, whether it's 5, 15, 25, our soul just it moves on, it, it, it moves on. And then we, we, we go, and we go in life past that. And then something happens, somebody says something to us, then it, then it reawakens the damaged five-year-old and all of a sudden, what happened to you at five now comes out at 45, right, and you're like, and you're sensitive to certain things and you're, you know, and other things just drive you up the wall.
Speaker 1:I know that about me when we get off air. I'll tell you about the time I almost stabbed someone in the neck With two 100%.
Speaker 2:True story Jimmy's gonna stab someone in the neck. I'm glad you didn't, homie.
Speaker 1:I'm glad I didn't either, but I'll tell you about it when we get off the air. But yeah, that's, I don't know, that's tough, that's tough.
Speaker 2:So just give everybody a break. Hold on to the sacred. People are sacred. Hold on to them and I realize sometimes people are not very kind, but if you hold on to them you know it can be redeemed. It can be redeemed, it can be redeemed, and and we should hold on to more, more people than we let go of.
Speaker 1:We should try to be more understanding.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1:That's the key, all right. Well, let's get out of here. Let's get out of here. All right, we're out of here. Good talking to y'all. Everybody try to be for the clam bake. Yes, yes, this Sunday you got to get them by Saturday, so all right, we're out of here. Take it easy, guys. See you later. Next time you hear us it'll be Tucker and Thompson, Tucker and Thompson. Yes, sir, all right, peace.
