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Tucker & Thompson
Navigating Life's Tapestry and Cosmic Mysteries
Trading childhood dreams for adult realities often leaves us pondering life’s intricate tapestry. Have you ever wondered how those beach walks and contrasting family visits of our youth shape the way we view the world today? Join us as we journey through personal stories that reveal the profound impact of our early experiences on our adult perspectives. From bringing a newborn home to realizing the normalization of certain behaviors in youth, we reflect on how maturity reshapes our understanding of authenticity and fulfillment.
In a world chasing superficial symbols of success, what does it mean to truly live courageously and in alignment with our values? We explore the idea of legacy and authenticity, questioning the importance of meaningful heirlooms like Rolexes and Harleys against the backdrop of modern challenges, including distracted driving. Through candid exchanges, we wrestle with the idea of living fully, guided by principles of love, peace, and soundness of mind, while navigating the societal pressures and dangers that come with modernity.
The conversation takes a turn towards the cosmos as we tackle the complex intersection of religion, morality, and societal conflicts. From the biblical tensions in Israel to the theological threads weaving through Christianity and Islam, we consider how belief systems shape global peace. We also ponder the mysteries of creation and time, touching on extraterrestrial possibilities and the implications of governance in the face of natural disasters. In this rich tapestry of ideas, we challenge conventional thinking and invite you to join us in exploring the profound questions of existence and authenticity.
May God Be with you!!!
You know what it's like when we were kids growing up. You know what I'm saying. It was so normal and we didn't know that anything was different until we became adults.
Speaker 2:Yeah, at what point? Oh, I don't know. I kind of remember going over to other people's houses and I was like I don't think I want to live like this as opposed to the other.
Speaker 1:I remember going over to certain people's houses, but you didn't feel like. I'll give you an example. When Alexa was born, I used my mom's car to bring Alexa home from the hospital. And as I'm bringing her home from the hospital, my, you know, it was my wife at the time, my ex now, but I'm bringing her from. She's from Avon. So she was you know. Yeah, you know how they are. Well, those people are from Avon, I know, yeah, but her, but her, her grandfather had, like his own helicopter with a landing pad on the boat. Man Built most of her million.
Speaker 1:Nice, I mean, she came from a different family for sure, okay, okay. And he actually just passed away that same guy he just wrecked on the turnpike. Actually they drove right into the back of a semi-truck on my Columbus a month ago. But anyways, we pick up. You know Alexa, we're taking her home. I'm borrowing my mother's car to have a nice car to take. He had a car but it wasn't like as nice as my mother's car, obviously, you know, we're young, 1920. So we get in the car and there's a roach in the ashtray.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean, not a cockroach, a weed roach right. Are you saying that for your audience? You say that for me? I'm saying it for everybody. I'm just making sure we're making this clear because we did say we're from the ghetto. Listen, I'm there, man. I know I've been out of it for a while, but look, I know what that is but look, I know what that is.
Speaker 1:So, oh man, she looked at me like, like, like, what a piece of shit. Like I can't believe your mother would give us a car with a roach in the ashtray. What if we go to jail? And I'm just like it's a matter where she thinks why is she so extreme? This is silliness, you know what I mean. Like it's it. But as an adult today, okay, I don't say I kind of would be on her side with this one.
Speaker 1:You're like you know but at the time I'm like what's the big deal? It's a roach in the ash tree.
Speaker 2:I kind of normalized yeah, my life at the time, yeah yeah, and that's.
Speaker 1:I mean, I think that's a, that's a solid example of where you know it's different yeah, you're saying it's different I'm saying that you don't realize there's anything wrong with it when that's when you're, when you're in the moment, you just don't, you don't get it. It's just how life is.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I didn't like it though.
Speaker 1:I wasn't a fan of it, yeah.
Speaker 2:I wasn't a fan of it. I mean you it. I've been that and I have a little bit of money and a little bit of comfort. Definitely better on the other. I don't know. I say that and I just check myself. I don't know.
Speaker 1:I'm going to say I don't know those child. When I was a kid, when we lived on East Side, we moved over there. When I was in, maybe second grade, before you met me, my mom lived over there. We didn't have a lot of money. In fact, my grandmother would trade money with my mom for food stamps so that we could have enough to actually pay the bills. You know what I mean, because we didn't have Section 8 at that time or whatever.
Speaker 1:Eventually we got into Pro Village and then the projects and all that, but at that time we were just living in a house or not a house but an apartment building and paying whatever the rent was. I have no idea, it was a lot, I'm sure, but I had some of the best times down there. I mean, we would walk to the beach every day, me and my mom, all summer long. We'd go swimming. We just walked literally from the East side of Lorain across the bridge and down the Lakeview park or we'd go sit at that one next to the pier over there. Before you had the park and all that over there on the side, you know where. You couldn't drive out there like you can today.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:We'd go to that little beach on the side, or you know, lakeview park, we, you know our uh century park. I mean, dude, we, me and my mom. I loved it. I had the greatest like I had no bad memories at that point in my life that I can think of. You know what I mean. Yeah, you know. Well, I mean, except for herman, like herman, when her and him got in a fight or whatever a couple times, which even that didn't happen a lot, but I mean she eventually got rid of him, but you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think for a lot of my childhood I felt sad. For a lot of it, I think. I don't know why I just maybe I knew something, I don't know, I just felt sad.
Speaker 1:Really.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I felt really sad. I didn't, um, I didn't enjoy my younger, my, my, my adolescent years, like elementary, like those are real. I look back on those and I just was really like insecure and sad a lot.
Speaker 1:You were different from the time I met you, till the time like, till, like seventh grade. I do remember that you were a little, I don't know if I would say sad, but I do remember you were a little.
Speaker 2:You didn't have the confidence that you did by seventh grade no, I seventh grade, you were getting much more confident yeah, I mean I think lived in weights might have did some of that. You know you could, but it was all a defense mechanism to kind of like. I just felt like I was. I felt like I was surviving. I literally felt like I was surviving, and I don't know how real that was. I mean, to some degree it had to have been real, but I remember not, it was the confidence that I projected wasn't real it was.
Speaker 1:I don't think that. I think that's the case with most people. I mean everything's a projection and you, your authentic self, takes a while to develop um, and then I think there's some that are confident, just naturally and they probably shouldn't be, but it does exist.
Speaker 2:There are ones with the confidence that they should not have, you know yeah, authenticity is is something that's very attractive and if I could go back and somehow give myself authenticity like I you know I teach this a lot like authenticity is the distance from the outside to the inside or, conversely, from the inside to the outside. It's it's it's being in agreement with who you project to be, with who you really are on the inside, and being comfortable. So most of us aren't comfortable being on the outside who we are on the inside. Most of us I don't know, I don't either I think, well, most of us project what we think people want us to be, so we play the role that's in front of us. Most of us project what we think people want us to be, so we play the role that's in front of us. Most of us do.
Speaker 2:And the earlier, if I could go back and teach and I try to teach people this the earlier you can become authentic, like whoever you are on the inside. I mean you definitely have to be a principled person in order to be an authentic person, because you can be authentically a jerk. You know what I mean. You don't want to be a principled person in order to like be an authentic person, because you can be authentically a jerk. You know what I mean. You don't want to be an authentic jerk. You want to be an authentically good human being. But in order to do that, you have to wrestle with the issues that are in the inside of you and then be comfortable being that person on the outside of you.
Speaker 2:Most people, most people project, most people give people what they think they want, and and whenever you do that, you live, you live at conflict with yourself and you're never, you're never genuine and people can. People can discern it, they can feel it, they know it. Um, uh, and I so I try to tell people so, like a rolex, I had a good friend give me a, a Rolex, for my 50th birthday. It's a heck of a good friend.
Speaker 2:But here's the deal. He told me he was like, look, it's not. It's not a an authentic, it's a replica. And I said, well, what's the difference? He was like I don't really know, but you know, it's worth something. It's just not worth what an authentic Rolex is worth. And so I begin.
Speaker 2:So I mean, I know this guy and I want you to meet him. He's dude is his, his, his story is amazing. He was like a, he was like a diamond thief back in the day, like, yeah, went to prison, came out like it's a crazy story, we've got to get him in here, like the story is absolutely amazing. But so, so I know him. So I'm like, nah, he just went to dubai and he comes back. It's my 50th and he brings me this watch and he's like it's not real though, troy, it's, it's, it's a replica. And I'm like I don't know, I know you, it might be inauthentic.
Speaker 2:So I did, I did some research, so I got online, I started doing the research and I'm like, let me if this thing is real. And so I took the watch and I looked at it and I did all the search and and what I discovered was like the replicas are they are. They look exactly just like an authentic on the outside, but what makes them authentic, an authentic Rolex, is that it's not just it's not just what it projects on the outside. What makes it an authentic is what is on the inside of the watch. It's that every piece, every, every rubber, every, every little piece of it on the inside comes from the manufacturer, and so it's the inside matches the outside, and that's what makes it authentic. And until people are who they are on the inside and they're comfortable being that, they'll always be at conflict.
Speaker 1:The inside doesn't match the outside. We might not want people to be on the outside. What the inside is like.
Speaker 2:Well, that's why we have to. That's why we must work on our inside before we work on our outside. But most of us work on our outside first. Right, we dress up the outside, we try to make it look like we're a good family, we've got a good marriage, we got our kids are all you know. But? But you're at conflict with yourself. You're a good family, we've got a good marriage, our kids are all you know, but you're at conflict with yourself.
Speaker 2:You're a hypocrite and you know it. You know that what you're trying to tell the world and sell the world is a cheap imitation, it's a knockoff, because you're not really who you say you are on the inside. This is the paradox that every person on the planet lives with. It's like it's reconciling who they are on the inside to the outside, and the crazy thing is you become more expensive. Like you become more valuable. You become more valuable when you become more authentic, right, so the more courageous you are to be the person, every person that that affects, like, influences, culture, touches people, anybody who's doing anything that's influencing you, giving you like goosebumps, like wow, like that you look at them and go wow, any part they're, they've tapped into something authentic. They've. They've had the courage to be who god made them to be and and they're done projecting and when you get to that place is the dangerous place. It's a real scary place to be like that's a.
Speaker 1:That's a scary, that's a very oh jeez, I'm all clogged up. That's a scary thought to me, that of people on the inside being on it, although in a bar I, when they get drunk, I see their inside.
Speaker 2:Usually what you do, but that's why you like being around drunk people I, I some of them right, some I do yeah because they're like oh dude some hilarious. Yeah, some are great. Yeah, some are great.
Speaker 1:And then others are like you can't deal with them. They're just too much. But yeah, you're right, Some are great when they're drunk.
Speaker 2:So this is what I try to tell people you need God to fix you on the inside before you pretend to be something on the outside. Stop pretending, stop pretending to be a Rolex. You're not a Rolex. You're not a Rolex until your inside matches your outside. You're masking your. You know you're trying to do something that only God could do on the inside of you. Let God fix your inside and then and then project. Have the courage to project, but don't go out there.
Speaker 1:You know would you ever spend the money on a Rolex?
Speaker 2:Man, I look at them all the time.
Speaker 1:I love watches so I look at them everywhere I go, but uh, I just can't bring myself to drop 15. I got out of the watch. I used to be like I was like the young guy with the fossils and all that stuff but, then I just like I kind of went away from it. You know what I mean because like they went on your phone and like watches were gone pretty much you know I mean.
Speaker 2:But I look at it like the rolex, like the time pieces. I look at them now as um family heiroms. So I want to get one, just to give it to my kids.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a that would be good yeah.
Speaker 2:That's the only reason like I keep buying Harleys. I'm like I want all my sons to have that piece of their dad. You know, like, and I want them. I'm like these.
Speaker 1:You got to customize those bikes. All of them have to be exactly custom they are. If you're giving them to them, they are from you. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2:that's the key to that yeah, for sure, yeah, if you're gonna you know that yeah. So so be authentic, be authentic, don't be a record.
Speaker 1:You're not gonna like this. This is not a very good common that you're not gonna like this, I don what if one of your kids die on one of your bikes?
Speaker 2:I mean that's a conversation. I mean I've I've had that with them and I'm like, look, we're all going to die. That's true, Everyone. No one's getting out alive, and don't be an idiot, but it's on your bike, it's on their bike when they have it.
Speaker 1:I'm just saying like, I mean, would that make you feel bad at all?
Speaker 2:it has to a little bit, of course, but you can't play that game. You can't. You can't play that game. I mean, people tell me that all the time, like, oh my, my uncle died on him or something. Well, I mean, I don't tell you about that. My dad was never hanging around, yeah you know, I mean you know so, uh, yeah, I get it. I mean they're. It's a fair question, it definitely is. But everyone's gonna die and and and people and very few live there you go, very few live, nobody lives.
Speaker 1:Very few people live, oh, they're alive, oh yeah, live while they're alive.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, that's true most people just play it safe. You know, most people are just out here trying to survive, rather than like I'm gonna take a risk and then I'm gonna live. I'm gonna really live, and so I I'd rather, I'd rather them live, I'd rather them, you know, just experience life in its fullness than to not than to play it safe and live in fear. You know, it's a good answer I like that the bible says.
Speaker 2:Bible says that the that that god gives us love, peace and a sound mind, love, peace and a sound mind. Peace and a sound mind, love, peace and a sound mind, love, peace and a sound mind. And so if that's what God gives us, then the enemy gives us the opposite. He gives us hate, he gives us worry and he gives us confusion. Worry, yeah. So I'm like, hey, that's not from God. So just go out there and live your life and just make sure you live near the exit, make sure you live near the. Be ready, though, man, when it's time to check out. Be ready, because everyone's checking out. You just got to be ready to check out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a fact, everybody's going to check out. But I just, that's just something that you don't want to be the cause of it and that's that's you know. You would hate to be the cause of it. There's a lot of life to live without a motorcycle. I mean, I, I personally have one and I love it, but yeah, but uh, the adventure, I'm careful with it, I'm not as adventurous as you.
Speaker 1:I don't go out like on these long trips or nothing. I literally, I mean I I've never had it more than an hour away.
Speaker 2:No way, well, I mean it's not even that, that's.
Speaker 1:I mean it's it can be just as dangerous, and that's only been a couple of times, I mean, I think. I think if you do this study on that I don't know exactly, but I think most.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So that's not to say that there's not danger out there on the open highway or wherever you are, but you definitely have to, especially today, because everybody's smoking weed and everybody's on their phone. Literally everyone's smoking reefer and everybody is texting and driving Everyone Everywhere. It's horrible. I mean nine out of ten cars. I'm on the highway, I'm on bike.
Speaker 1:I look over, they're looking at their phone and I'm like and you can smell the weed everywhere, everywhere, everywhere. It's horrible. So it's. I smelled yesterday. I had to take the bike yesterday and I could smell it. I'm like it's. I mean you can't smell anything but that all the way. I was like cause I had to run up here and the guys had my truck, you know, and I'm like I mean this is nine o'clock, eight, 30 in the morning and it's like are you kidding me? I smell weed all the way. I mean 20 minute ride smelled weed the whole time.
Speaker 2:On that note man all the cool stuff is a little dangerous. A little dangerous and it hurts. Do it right. All the stuff you remember it was a little sketchy and it hurt a little bit. I remember this one time I was coming out of, I was coming out of northern Florida into Georgia. It was four in the morning, nothing's open, temperature dropped to like into the 40s. It's very uncommon.
Speaker 2:I was not dressed for it, I was on the back of the bike. I was coming, I had two hours to get, probably two or three hours to get to my friend up in South Carolina and, uh, I pulled off. I was hypothermic. I started to like like get dizzy. I felt like I was gonna pass out. So I was, I was hypothermic. I pulled off next to this gas station and I just I threw my coat over the engine to get warm.
Speaker 2:And I remember in that moment, like thinking to myself what am I doing? Like I don't have to do this, this is dumb, like I'm. Why am I doing this? And I took my head and I looked down the road you know, and as I looked down the road, I saw, like the. You could see the sun coming up, breaking the horizon, and I saw the sunset, behind the palm trees and everything. And I just smiled and was like, oh, that's why I do it, and I took a picture of it with my phone and it hangs in my office today and whenever somebody asks me what's that, I say all the cool stuff hurts.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's true. Yeah, that's a fact.
Speaker 2:Yeah, all the cool stuff hurts. Where are you going, dude? All the cool stuff Jimmy just left. Yeah, all the cool stuff jimmy just loved, yeah, yeah, all the cool stuff hurts. You're listening today. You know life's not promised to anyone tomorrow, so you might as well live that life today, man. Don't. Don't sit around, wait for it one day someday. Take the trip today. You know I go back, think about the times. I, you know I was afraid to do things and man, I yeah, I'm, yeah, I'm.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm a fear, I get afraid to do shit. I'm and I shouldn't. Um, I should try and live a little bit, but I just. There's people, I got people and they count on me.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean? Well, you got to shake hands with death.
Speaker 1:You got to shake hands with death man, I feel like that's something you do when you don't have people count. No, it's not. It's happened.
Speaker 2:I always lived in fear of it until I met Jesus man. Then, when I met Jesus, I was like, oh, immortal, you know. I was like, oh, for me to to die is gain to live as christ. And I was like, well, I'm gonna go ahead and live my life like I'm shot out of a gun because I live that way. I lived hard before I gave my life to jesus, wait.
Speaker 1:So you gave your life to jesus and then you became joe versus the volcano.
Speaker 2:I did yeah, kind of like that dude. Like then I started taking trips into like haiti and third world countries, going over to Uganda up into the, you know, near the Sudan border, literally doing crazy stuff. Like if I, if I die, I die, man, it's like a, like a trip to heaven, do not pass.
Speaker 1:Go collector $200.
Speaker 2:You know, like you're, you're, you're made. I felt like a made man. I felt like once I shook hands with death and and knew that it had no power over me, that the fear of it left me and I'm like, yeah, you know, that's pretty I'm just going, just going for it. So, yeah, you just gotta you know. Hey, I'll see you sunday. Give, give. We'll shake hands with jesus.
Speaker 2:That was it, let's go my fear is there, brother, for god has not given you a spirit of I say I tell, for God has not given you a spirit of I say I tell people this God's not giving you a spirit of fear, but power, love and a sound mind. So that means the spirit of fear comes from the devil. It comes from the devil. He wants you afraid, he wants you timid, he wants you scared, he wants you hiding in a corner somewhere. He doesn't want you out here making a difference. He wants you ruled by the perceptions of what people think of you. It's that authentic stuff. He don't want you authentic man. He wants you to be a cheap replica worth very little. He wants to keep, he wants you to keep all your truth on the inside, none of your stuff on the outside. That's why, like, when I see you doing this, I'm like oh, that's you, man, that's you because you're saying stuff. You know, you know you're out here telling people stuff and they're like I never knew you were that deep.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, but that's no, for sure I'm pretty shallow.
Speaker 2:I don't know about you but I'm like shallow, how I mean. It's true, it's true, like I'm not claiming I know anything or anything, but I'm just saying like, if there's any, if there's any depth in me, it doesn't come from me, it comes from my experience with, with God, and uh, but that's my genuine self, that was the. That was the self. I'm able to be courageously, without you know, without fear. Most people aren't able to do that.
Speaker 1:No, that's a, that's a genuine yeah, I mean you have people, you got people. I mean that's your big fear, is you got people. You know what I mean. And that's I mean not that it you don't like, okay, I look at that different too.
Speaker 2:Like I look at, I look at success as succession, right? So if if I'm one dimensional, I die, it's over. They do a eulogy You're going to? You better come to my funeral if you're alive, right. But you're going to come, you know you're going to like that guy, you know or didn't like that guy, right. And so if I do it and I live for me, I'm one-dimensional.
Speaker 2:But if I put my spirit in somebody else, I immediately become two-dimensional. I immediately become three, four, five, six, seven, now, suddenly. Now I don't die, now I live. So I don't live in the fear of death, I live in the fear of not fulfilling my destiny and inspiring others to be to live theirs. Like that's that should be more fearful for you, for you that your grandchildren now have to receive that part of you. That's beautiful, that's like, oh, like you know that part of you that that makes you say the eloquent words, that that you're courageous, that that version of you that has to live If it dies. You are one dimensional, you lived, you lived unto Jim and not unto your, your children Like, so you got to give that stuff away. Your spirit has to be that's succession, succession, you get succession, you live.
Speaker 1:How do you get there? How do you get there? What do you suggest is the best way to get there? Just to not live in fear. Show Lead by example, basically.
Speaker 2:You can't have any fear in you. You can't have any fear in you, no quit in you. Either you can't have any fear in you, no quit in you, either you can't. I mean but fear, the quit goes away. When fear goes away, you know, and then. But like I said, most people live in, most people project who they want to be or who people want them to be. I mean, you know this, you go downstairs and talk to somebody, right? That's why I don't tell people what I do.
Speaker 1:As soon as they meet me, i're like I'm ready, you got it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm not going to tell you what I do, who I am, where I you know. If you don't know me, I'm just going to let me be a mystery to you, because I don't want you, I don't want, I don't want to have to perform for you and I don't want you to have to perform for me. That's the worst. They let you be you, you don't have to perform for them, you don't have to like. But you get around certain groups of people.
Speaker 2:I know I'm this way. I get around certain groups of people and they just want me to talk about the Bible all day long, like you know, what do you think about the dispensation of the? You know I'm like can we just talk about our kids? Can we talk about old days? Can we just kick it? Can we just, you know, like can we? Just because those are safe environment? And when you're in a safe environment, you're in a place where you can unapologetically be yourself. But as soon as you got to be around people and you got to project, ah, it's the worst, I can't stand it.
Speaker 1:Well, you know, I think that there's a big problem. I think in the whole world today, with everybody has, everybody has to be so extreme one way or the other and they have to sit there, they have to sit on that fence, and it's so annoying to me.
Speaker 2:You're talking to a dude that believes that Jesus is the way, truth and life and besides him there's no other. Yeah, I agree Pretty radical there.
Speaker 1:But I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about like this right and left, and like abortion and not, but like, like you know, people are in this country, are are ticked off about Roe v Wade being overturned, you know and it wasn't overturned, it was just kicked to the States.
Speaker 2:I don't understand why people well, I mean the federal, and now they're, and now and now the weight is gone. It's given to the now the jurisdiction.
Speaker 1:Abortion rights are about is back to the states. Back to the states, Correct when it was already back.
Speaker 2:All authority should go to the states.
Speaker 1:I don't disagree with that.
Speaker 2:Cause that's where we're headed, cause we're going to have to succeed here pretty soon, but you know they could have stopped that from happening.
Speaker 1:It would have been very like a first term abortion. The reason that they pushed back so hard was because they just wanted to be able to abort them the whole time, like, and it's just like, why do you got to be so extreme? Like it, just be fair about it. Jesus Christ he said be fair about it, kill him. You know what I'm saying. In the first trimester you get people that go. You get people well, people like like you know, that are on the religious end, that are like there's no abortion, no excuses. No, you know what I mean. Then you have your, your people that are like kill them as long as you want. You know what I mean. And then there's like, there's to me, there's like, why push so hard? You push so hard that you made it overturn. You could have had it. All you had to do was agree to first trimester. Everybody would have probably went along with it. In this country they would have. I mean, most people would have.
Speaker 2:People like myself.
Speaker 1:I'm not in agreement with doing it. When I was young, I always said that I was okay with it. First trimester is not a choice I would make. As I'm older, I look at it and go I don't think so. I think it should just not be. You just shouldn't be allowed to do it. Did you ever hear that comedian talk about this? I forget his name Bill Burr.
Speaker 2:Bill Burr, that's the greatest one. That's still a cake, yeah.
Speaker 1:Right, right, that's the best thing.
Speaker 1:He's like I'm okay with you doing it. That's fine if you want. I see it that way because I, I guess, because I've had children and you know, I've been through that process and I've been to the point where and I'm not saying I had that thought, but there I've been at that point where it's a possibility. I mean I never was never in my mind, but it was there or the option was there. You know what I'm saying and I've seen it and I'm like that's just not something you do. You know what I mean. So I'm not into that, but when I. But if people would stop getting so extreme, I think you would get along better. I mean, there's a, there's a better way to do things. First of all, abortion isn't even necessary anymore. We had this conversation on one of our other episodes. We did I mean with that, with that, and I don't know how you guys talk about it.
Speaker 1:I didn't mean to. I didn't mean to, but Roe V Wade getting overturned is one of, but what I'm really talking about is just being extreme, extreme, and that's the extreme of it. Is that it's? I mean, that's, that's your own fault, I mean, I see your point there.
Speaker 2:but I don't believe that that decision belongs to man and you could pass all the laws you want to, you're still violating the law of god and it shouldn't be in the decision of a man to make you know. That's, that's my position on it. But, yes, I understand that the extremes of society have gotten us to a place of such like irredeemable middle, like it's just like nobody wants to walk down the middle I mean when you're talking about politics but it's the fever pitched of it. If you ask me, I will say it's intentional.
Speaker 1:Well, the thing is, we have the freedom of a religion in America. That's the beauty of it.
Speaker 2:This is what our nation was built upon.
Speaker 1:Yes, that's right and we have that freedom.
Speaker 2:And I would remind everyone of that.
Speaker 1:I go to vote this.
Speaker 2:We're not here to step on your toes. You don't step on mine. Let me do what I want you do what you want.
Speaker 1:And that's where some of the people agree with abortion and you say, okay, that's their agreement to have, or whatever, and that's I'm not saying abortion is the key, but like that right is what gives me my right. You see what I'm saying their right for what they want is what gives me my right for what I want, and that's freedom. That's, to me, true freedom, and freedom of religion and freedom of that's, because they can believe what they want. I can believe what I want. But this anti-Semitic thing that's going on now again is another extreme thing. Like why, on October 7th, do we have our biggest cities having huge protest against israel?
Speaker 2:yeah, that's an unsmart place to be, if you know. Like one more time, I just bring a biblical perspective to this. But genesis 12 tells us clearly those who bless israel, god says I will bless them. And those who curse israel, god says explicitly I will curse them. It's it's like I would caution everyone. Hey, go go read, go read genesis 12 and kind of get some, some knowledge before you put yourself at war with god because you, because of the populist consensus of culture and it selfish, ridiculous Marxist ideology that exists in the world that's trying to create globalism, but who's seen that?
Speaker 1:Who's seen them come in there and murder all those people as savagely as they did? I mean it was savage. Yeah, how can you defend that? Yeah, how do you go in there and defend that? How is that possible?
Speaker 2:I don't know, I don't, I don't know how you defend the platform of abortion. I don't, I don't, I don't like, like I said, I don't understand that. I definitely don't understand how you can, you know, defend terrorism.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, you take a stripper home on a Friday night. What?
Speaker 2:Are you talking about prostitution? What are we talking about?
Speaker 1:Defending abortion. I mean there's a point where you go, okay, maybe it's all right. No, I'm just kidding. I'm kidding, oh man.
Speaker 2:When worlds collide.
Speaker 1:Yes, when worlds collide. When worlds collide, son, yeah, but no, what I'm saying is is that I think that these young kids don't remember what I remember. There was a time because they they're talking about this, this iron dome and this wall that keeps gaza to the side, but when we were young, I mean, and not that long ago. I mean mean, the Iron Dome's pretty new, the wall on that's pretty new Like there was a time where Israel was dealing with them just walking into their markets and blowing themselves up. That happened all the time. It was a constant thing. Yeah, they had no choice but to do these things to protect themselves. They really did. And Gaza, the Gaza Strip, is sitting portside. They can have anything they want if they would focus on developing themselves instead of trying to kill Israelis.
Speaker 2:I think we're all going to have to. Well, first off, nobody really understands the culture of that region, and you have to go there. So I would encourage everybody to go there. I've been there three or four times, I can't remember, I think three or four, three or four. I used there was a season where I started to run trips in and out of Israel just to, you know, get people that experience, and so you got to understand the, the temperament of that region, and it's, it goes.
Speaker 2:It's a I mean it literally is a biblical tension, that that goes back to Isaac and Ishmael, and you know it's, it's the prophecy over both of those children. One is the promised seed, one is not the promised seed, and they've been at war since that moment. They've been that ideological, that moment they've been that ideological war has has. But it's biblical, it's a biblical war that has existed in that region for millennia. You know, since it, since it happens since abraham, sure.
Speaker 2:And so, in order to understand the context of the conversation, this is where most juvenile, sophomore minds don't, they can't enter the narrative, because they go to these colleges, these very liberal colleges, and they're taught to think a certain way, and because they're taught to think that way. They think that they're right. And the problem with deception is it's really hard to know when you're deceived. And they have this deceived mentality about what's happening in that region and they don't understand the fact that terrorist groups represent one side of the conversation and they fight against the promised seed of Israel. Yeah, that's it, yeah, that's it. And that conversation is never going to change. It's never going to like, it's always going to be that way and Israel is always going to be surrounded by enemies and the promised seed will always be under attack. It is in the book of Revelation.
Speaker 1:But even if you take religion out of it, you can't take religion out of it, but go ahead. But I'm saying for these young kids that are, like you know, because you've got these gays for Palestine, Like I mean, they would slit your throat they would kill you. Yeah, but I mean you have the, so take religion out of it. Just say take religion out of it purposes Israel, prior to blocking everything off and putting up walls and putting in an iron dome was getting blowed up in their local diners or at their libraries.
Speaker 1:I mean, they literally were just, yeah, in the market, but they're just getting blown up regardless of why. Who cares about why? I'm not saying I don't care about why, but regardless of why, the things that they had to do to protect themselves, they had to do. They had no choice. It was. Gaza Strip was horrible. They were just launching shit over at them. It was constant, and these young kids that are out there protesting you know that don't even know that. They have no clue that that's what was going on. They don't remember that like They've been indoctrinated.
Speaker 2:It was scary to go to Israel Even probably when you first went to Israel.
Speaker 1:It was probably scary to go.
Speaker 2:Well, no, because the dome was in place, Was it oh?
Speaker 2:okay, All right okay, I started running these groups probably 10 years ago, oh, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then over six years I took three or four groups in and it was relatively safe. But 25 years ago it wasn't. No, it was war nonstop. It was, I mean, and I don't know when the dome was invented, the Iron Dome and all that, but yes, it was considerably more dangerous. Well, as it stands today, I mean, it's still dangerous, but it's, you know, at least there's an element of security provided militarily.
Speaker 1:They had no border. They had no border really back then, prior to them blocking off Gaza and stuff. They never really had. They could just walk in and do whatever they wanted. You know what?
Speaker 2:I mean man, there's been wars there for a long time, you know.
Speaker 1:I get it, but I'm talking about the martyrs that were coming in. They would just walk in and do whatever, and that's why they started blocking them off Like they were. I mean, they still do it. I'm not saying they don't get through, but there's a reason that they have the security there that they do. That keeps them Cause they try to say that we're holding the, the Hamas back, you know, holding all of Gaza, basically alienating them. You don't have a choice. You have to alienate them because they're blowing you up in your markets, regardless of why. That's what you have to do for security. It doesn't matter why, you know. I mean it does religiously, but I mean security-wise. I mean there's nobody in Israel would go attack anybody in Gaza unless they were going there to protect them. No, you know, for protective reasons. That's the only reason they would do it, that's it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and there's tension. That tension exists there. You know, when we would go to certain areas of of the land, we would go through security checkpoints, yeah, and we would go into the gaza strip. We'd go into palestinian controlled, islam controlled areas, and it was. You can feel the tension. I mean, it was in bethlehem, specific specifically. You know jesus was, was born. You, you can feel it there when you cross into that, into that region.
Speaker 2:I was, uh, I shared that's controlled by palestine. Yes, yeah, yeah, bethlehem, yeah, it's, it's, it's a um, yeah, it's an arab territory and when you go in, you know it, you feel it, it's the, you know the atmosphere shifts on you. You, you know you're not, but they're still kind to americans because you know we, we go there and spend money on the nativities, you know. So we, we just how they make money. They make money. Yeah, I, I shared this on a couple sunnys ago.
Speaker 2:But you know, there's a conversation unfolding with jesus and his disciples and they're like, hey, what's it going to be like before you, you know, when you come back, when you come back which is, you know, sobering to believe that jesus will come back, but he's coming back and they said, well, what's going to be like. He said well, as it was in the days of noah, so shall it be when the son of man returns. It'll be just like it was in the days of noah, which, you know, for historical perspective, legitimizes the story of noah. It doesn't make it this you know this real cute story that we, you know, we, we dress our nurseries with. It's a real story, it's it's, it's, it's historical.
Speaker 2:If you believe jesus is historical, then you then must, you know, swallow the idea that the story of noah is historical as well. And he said it'll be that way. But in order to know what it was like in the days of Noah, then you go to Genesis 6 to kind of, okay, what was it like? And you brought up a name there and I'm going to show you something it said. He said that there were three things that kind of identified that in Genesis 6, what it was like. It was corrupt, the whole world was corrupt. So it was global. There was a globalism, corruption Right now.
Speaker 2:Well, no, jesus said this is what Jesus said as it was then, so shall it be when I return. There'll be global corruption. Okay, not just regional, global corruption. So it's here the whole world will be corrupt. And then he said there'll be violence. And it's interesting that that word violence, when you translate it from the Hebrew text, that word violence there is translated Hamas. It's mentioned twice in Genesis 6. And what Jesus says just before I'm to return, genesis six, and what Jesus says in just before I'm to return Hamas will commit terrorist attacks. There will be violence. That will, that will cover the the world.
Speaker 1:But they've never stopped.
Speaker 2:But just before I return, there will be Hamas. And right now, all you see in the headline is this we got one portion of society defending Hamas and you've got another portion of society condemning Hamas. But the conversation is Hamas, violence, violence. And Jesus says this is what it will be like just before I come back Hamas. It's startling what's happening. In Matthew 24, he goes down a list of things that will happen before he returns. It's just, I mean, you could take that day and today and put them together like this and you would not be able to articulate any variance of separation. It is exactly the climate of that day is today. Everybody said everybody will be eating, drinking, which is translated everybody will see what's happening, but nobody will will respond to what's happening. They'll just keep on doing whatever they're doing, trying to ignore the, the sirens that are going off in society. And that's what at the end.
Speaker 1:Isn't that the way of the? Isn't that the way of human life? I mean to ignore and just go.
Speaker 2:But it's crazy that you can see what's happening in the world today and just kind of just tune it out and like, hey, let's go get some coffee you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Well, it's hard for me. I keep having a lot of conversations about politics and things not meaning to. It's not what I want to talk about.
Speaker 2:It's not politics you're having discussion about. I think you're having conversations about morality. Well, that you're calling them politics, yeah, but it's really you're talking about morality. They're talking about moral issues that are foundational to our existence with one another, sure, and they, they, they affect how we interact with each other, and we've just allowed politicians to kind of like bogart the conversation when, really, like, they're the ones inciting the confusion. What do you think about Elon Musk? Either he's a Nephilim or God's using him right now. I can't tell.
Speaker 1:I can't tell. Is he a superhero or a super villain?
Speaker 2:All my kids. You know the conversation around my staff. They're like man. I believe Elon Musk is a Nephilim.
Speaker 1:He's a fallen angel man.
Speaker 2:He's like this genius mind. That's like wow. Yeah, either that or he's Dr Evil. I can't tell. I really cannot tell.
Speaker 1:I really don't know the answer to that.
Speaker 2:I don't know either, but I like the fact that he's outspoken right now and I mean to be honest, it makes me want to go buy a stupid electric car.
Speaker 1:I'm not going to go that far. I might buy a Starlink.
Speaker 2:What I'm just saying, if I was ever going to, if I'm, if, if I ever do, it'll be elon, like dude elon. I'm like elon's saving the world right now. I mean like at least he's. I mean he's kicking the door open for a little while longer. If you ask me, if you ask me, man, he's definitely doing some good right now with his, with his voice.
Speaker 2:He is he's trying to like be a voice of reason in the midst of global so you're okay, you like that, the twitter being wide open, like it is absolutely if you don't have choice, you don't, you're not free did you know that there's a ton of pornography on it?
Speaker 1:oh yeah, I mean, I didn't know that, I just found that out, bro, like I don't go on there enough. I mean porn's everywhere, man.
Speaker 1:I mean I always thought it was on there, but when somebody was like man, could he just get rid of the pornography? And they're like well then it's not open and I'm like I guess I didn't know it was on there. I didn't know. I mean, I kind of remember it was before, but I honest I really don't I go there for news. I don't even do that. It's a specific outlet.
Speaker 2:I go there.
Speaker 1:I look at Elon Musk's tweets. I used to look at Donald Trump's tweets. It's about it.
Speaker 2:I really don't go on Elon's saving the world right now, man Starlink and everything he's doing in North Carolina.
Speaker 1:How do you know there's a better chance that it's Bill Gates that's Dr Evil? Well, I know Bill Gates is evil.
Speaker 2:There would be no doubt there's no question, right, if it was an Elon Musk, you're like what's your angle? I mean anytime you talk to somebody. Now.
Speaker 1:I'm like what's your angle? Well, you makes me think he's a good person, honestly is that he does a lot of things that cost him money. Exactly To do the right thing Right right, right To do the right thing, and that's, you know what I mean. That's to do the right thing and give away. Well, of course, he's got enough that it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2:but I mean but still he's doing it most. I mean, you look at a guy like Mark Cuban, he's not, no, he's a millionaire, but he's falling in line with communism and Marxism.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what happened with him?
Speaker 2:He's trying to suppress Because he was a Trump supporter originally.
Speaker 1:Yeah well, what happened with that with him? I don't get it.
Speaker 2:He's on the diddy list, you think so. I mean, look, look, there's a reason. They people don't want. I know we just went down a rabbit hole there, but for sure there's a lot of powerful people on that list, on the Epstein list, on the Diddy list. They're supposed to start prosecuting the Diddy list next week. If Trump gets in, then there will be a prosecution and they're fearful that that list will be released in order to take back the freedoms of America. Is that what it is?
Speaker 1:I mean, I like that, I think they're anti-Trump because I think that they know his followers will follow him a little bit more than any of them.
Speaker 2:You don't think there's anything more nefarious than just you know? Oh, this is weird, you know. I mean it's just I mean no again.
Speaker 1:I'm one of those people that believe more that there's better, and I know you say shame on me for thinking that way.
Speaker 2:I don't say shame on you.
Speaker 1:I believe that most people are trying or want to be a good people and for you to say Mark Cuban is this or that and he's on that list or whatever, that's fine.
Speaker 2:that's a few I don't know that how many people were at the?
Speaker 1:party, not half the country I'm just saying half the country.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying there would be a lot of leverage that one political party could use in order to keep people in lockstep with their ideology and their laws, how they rule. And if Democrats get into office again, I don't believe we will have ever another fair election. If you can't see the corruption right now, you don't have two brain cells and your eyeballs don't work.
Speaker 1:No, everybody can see it, I don't think there's too many people that don't know if you don't see that she is a marxist raised plant.
Speaker 2:She's been planted there with marxist ideologies I don't know if she has any ideas. If you don't see that black rock, vanguard and all of these, those other three or four more rule the world currently and that one guy and his policies are a threat to that, then you're not awake man. You're just not awake. You live in the matrix, but do you think Kamala has?
Speaker 1:any ideas of her own? Do you believe that?
Speaker 2:No, Her thoughts are planted by yeah, I don't think she knows what to think. I think her thoughts are planted by yeah, I don't think she knows what to think. I think her thoughts are planted by a very nefarious group of people who want to run the world, and I think Bill Clinton is in that list, I think Obama's in that list, I think. You know, man, I should probably stop saying these things.
Speaker 1:But yeah, well you know Obama, he helped her when she ran for attorney general and as he was president. Why, that's Well you know Obama. He helped her when she ran for attorney general and why, as he was?
Speaker 2:president, why that's weird. Right Exactly, man Exactly. And how come all these people that kind of break ranks with them end up dead?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, yeah, I hear that stuff, but I don't know what's true and what's not true. The media, like. The worst problem is the media like even right or left, it don't matter, the media that comes out. I don't know what's true and what's not true. I've seen at least three people were murdered supposedly, and then you find out that wasn't even true. There's more. Well, I know that there's a ton of them, but I just don't understand what's true and what's not true.
Speaker 2:Epstein killed himself. I don't know what to believe. Epstein killed himself.
Speaker 1:I mean I would if I was him. I mean I wouldn't want to face that.
Speaker 2:I would try to get out by saying hey, I got a list.
Speaker 1:that didn't work out well for him Either that, or you just say I don't want to face this.
Speaker 2:I mean.
Speaker 1:I would believe that most people wouldn't want to face it. I would think that's true. I would think that most people wouldn't want to face it. I would think that's true. I would think that most people wouldn't face it. And I mean he could have been murdered. I don't know, who knows, I'm not. You know what I mean. I'm not here to decide whether or not that what happened in that room when I wasn't there. I don't want to make up a assumption. I believe that it's possible one way or the other. I also believe that killing yourself, I mean just like uh, ariel, or uh, was it castro, ariel castro or whatever he killed himself too. Same thing. He doesn't want to face that bullshit, and I don't blame him, I wouldn't either. I mean, I did such evil things, I would, and you know people, that's.
Speaker 2:That goes back to what how come he's the only one that did the evil things when everyone else was there? No one else was there doing evil things, just him. I didn't say that.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:So if he died, if he took his own life, it was very convenient for all the other people that were there implicated in his lifestyle For that to happen.
Speaker 1:This is my problem. Okay, for what I say to happen and I'm not saying it's true or not true, but if he hung himself, okay, and that's what I think, he probably just hung himself, that takes just him deciding to kill himself, okay. Okay, if what you're saying happens, that means that a guy who took a job at a security prison and and probably a couple few different people, you look at the coincidences attached All had to get along and get attached to it and keep a secret, and keep and it just.
Speaker 1:I mean, in this world I don't see people that keep secrets anymore. I agree with you, there's not a whole lot of people that keep secrets. So I think it would be more practical.
Speaker 2:So that's why all these people keep ending up dead because they can't keep secrets. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1:They can't keep secrets, so you think all the security guards just got?
Speaker 2:killed off. Well, it's mysterious. Like just, I mean, just think of that. There's no such thing as coincidence here, man, like you think about, like okay, so the tapes, the videotape just went blank for that period of time where he killed himself. That's what they're telling you, yeah.
Speaker 1:I know that's what they're saying, I get it, I'm not saying it. Yeah, I know that's what you're saying, I get it, I'm not saying it's just hard to believe.
Speaker 2:If it walks like a chicken, clucks like a chicken, you know, gobbles like a chicken, that's a dead gone chicken. Man, don't tell me it's a goat, it's a chicken, a chicken.
Speaker 1:I like to think better of people I think. I don't know. I do, I really do. I want everybody to be good people. That's what I really want. That's all I want in the world is for everybody to get, be good people and do what's best, and for people who are sick and disgusting to just go ahead and kill themselves. You know, and I'm that fits well with me, you know.
Speaker 2:I mean, the problem is, this is like.
Speaker 1:Don't you see your evil side? I don't have any side. There's no evil side, you don't have. You say that. When you say that, I'm like what kind of demons does he have?
Speaker 2:yeah, man, I just. I just realized that within me are all the like it just there's.
Speaker 1:I don't think there's like I don't know, I don't think so I don't think I have like not evil, you lie, um very rare. I mean I in the past I used to lie, but it's always come back and it's not worth it I don't want to go down this rabbit hole of asking you questions of sin, but but any sin? Do I sell of said yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm not saying I don't sin, I didn't. I didn't say that that's. That's darkness. Okay, when I say the darkness it's not referring to, I'm referring to pride.
Speaker 1:I would never do anything to hurt someone else. I would never want anyone hurt. I would never want like I.
Speaker 2:And I genuinely believe you're a good human being that way. But I'm saying there is in in mankind, there is this propensity toward evil, because if it's not, then how do you explain the atrocities we we excuse as normal in our own society?
Speaker 1:there's a lot of weird shit there is, and a lot of it is always based on on three things, and that's it. There's only three things that cause all of this, okay, and the three things are money, sex and religion. That's the three things that cause all the problems.
Speaker 2:Religion.
Speaker 1:Religion, oh God, that's wars, all wars have been fought over. I don't think there's a war that wasn't a war over religion. For the most part, I mean territory, but usually the territory has something to do with religion. You know what I mean? Yeah, religion has caused all wars. Absolutely, you don't think that's true. No, what wars, what big wars, have not been fought over religion?
Speaker 2:I think what you're saying is a bit of a is a way to say that one moral structure has deemed itself more justified than another moral structure. Therefore, their religion has caused these wars. I believe there is right and there is wrong. I believe there is right and there is wrong and that, yes, that there should be a position taken in everyone's life on what is right and what is wrong. And if we do not have those positions taken across the globe, at a larger scale, at a much larger you, at 40 000 feet, then then, yes, of course, we would have, uh, just anarchy and and what? What we're beginning to see to some degree is what happens when there is no moral restraint in society well, christian's religion doesn religion, doesn't believe in murder and killing to justify your.
Speaker 1:But other religions do Other religions. I'm not saying Christianity, I'm saying religion. I know what you're saying. The people's religions are what?
Speaker 2:caused it, but religions are moral, they're moral.
Speaker 1:Well, Muslims can have all the religion in the world and have all the morals in the world, but they don't have to have a jihad where they're murdering what they call infidels.
Speaker 2:But it's their moral law. Their religion is their morality. It is what they determine or deem as right or wrong. That is the sole job of religion. That's why people have religion. So how can you?
Speaker 1:say it of of religion. That's why people have religion. So how can you say it's not religion that's causing the war? I'm saying that that just because they they call it religion doesn't mean it's right I'm not saying I mean I don't know, that's what I've said that all along there's a million religions. They all have their beliefs. I'm not saying that one's right or wrong.
Speaker 2:I am telling you, that's what I'm saying that what most people call religious wars are not religious wars. They're everyone else against God. That's what I'm saying. God, that's what I'm saying. I'm saying there's one god and anyone who who rebels against him is at war, not with their, their mankind. They're at war with the moral law of god that's being defended by the person. You know. So if, if there are wars that exist in the world that are raging, there are, and I hate to do this, but let's just use what's happening in the Middle East.
Speaker 2:Okay, religious war if you want, but what I'm telling you is it's, it's, it's every false religion, it's every false moral facade.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but the debate isn't whether or not the religion is real or not real no, that's not the debate, but religion.
Speaker 2:But that is what we hide behind when we, when we go to war, we say my god is the god and my rules are the rule. This is what we hide behind. When we go to war, we say my God is the God and my rules are the rule. This is what we're having in our country right now. We're having this big split that says you know, don't tell me what to do, Don't let your religion tell me what to do. But my question to that is well, whose laws are going to rule us then? If it's not going to be God's laws, then whose laws are we going to allow to rule us? We're going to allow one political party to make, or two political parties? We're going to trust political parties. We're going to trust the state.
Speaker 2:That's Marxism. That's what Marxism is. Marxism is the rule. We make the state God and we say let the state be God, Let it determine right or wrong. God. And we say let the state be God, Let it determine right or wrong. This is why we can pass laws and say it's cool for us to murder a kid six months into a pregnancy or even beyond that.
Speaker 1:Right All the way up until birth Six days following.
Speaker 2:As a matter of fact, let's murder the elderly as well, because they're going to get to a point where they're not going to contribute to society. So we should permit the murder of the elderly as well. I mean, it would only be that. But if we pass the laws as the state, then we can say that that's okay, take them to the hospice so they can have a slow drip to death and we can put them out of their misery because it's a merciful thing to do.
Speaker 1:That's what Germany did with the Jews.
Speaker 2:That's eugenics. That's eugenics. And Planned Parenthood and abortion came directly from the eugenics movement of the war. But how do you say that?
Speaker 1:that's not a war about religion. Just because you don't agree with the religion, that's at, war does not change the fact that the war is not about religion. I'm hypothesizing and I'm saying and how come you have no belief that there's no like there? There's nothing to do with money or sex. You didn't talk about any of those.
Speaker 2:Well, because Jump the religion at a fence? Well, no, because. Well, that doesn't offend me. I have these moral wrestlings all the time Because I don't believe. Well, because money and sex I didn't say Christianity.
Speaker 1:If I said that, I could see why you got offended.
Speaker 2:Well, because, the religious aspect of it that gives me the now I have something to hide behind. Now I have something to hide behind and that justifies my moral law, my moral law, and so I can say my God's right, and you can say your God's right, my right God's right, my left God, no, the left God's right, no, the right God's right, my right God's right, my left God, no, the left God's right, no, the right God's right. And I'm just saying no, no, no. All of those gods are wrong. Jesus is the only God and any ideology is an empty philosophy and religion.
Speaker 1:But aren't you just as guilty as someone else? Then, when you say, I'm the only right one, Not if I'm willing to submit myself to the truth. Well, I mean, this is Because they believe as hardly as you do that their religion is correct. They're not hiding behind it, they actually believe that. Right, right, right. I mean it's a 100% belief in their heart and soul. That's all. They feel that they're correct.
Speaker 2:Okay okay, and I'm saying let's research, let's reason together. The two gods Okay, let's bring the two gods to the table and let's examine their qualifications as God. Let's see who's most qualified to be God. You have Allah in in Islam.
Speaker 1:Which I still don't understand, because I always just thought that was Arabic for God and I thought it was the same God. It can't be the same God, but but let's just. How can it not be the same God Just because it's spoken in a different language? It can't be the same God.
Speaker 2:It can't be the same God, because Allah didn't even exist until 600 years following the resurrection of Christ. That's Muhammad, that's Allah. Muhammad was the prophet that spoke on behalf of Allah.
Speaker 1:But Allah was still supposedly just God. I want to get back to the religion.
Speaker 2:Islam is a religion that came into existence 600 years following the resurrection of Christ. Therefore, he can't be God, but Jesus, the Bible. Okay, but I take you to the beginning of the Bible and say that before anything existed, god was there and he took chaos and he created cosmos. And then Jesus enters into it. So let's just take Jesus as the expression, as the express image of God, and let's put him on the table and let's put him next to Buddha. Okay, so you have this inner conflict. I'm just trying to say so let's put them beside each other and say okay, heaven, you must achieve enlightenment In order to be in union with God. You must achieve enlightenment through these different means. You must go, find your way to God.
Speaker 2:Jesus comes as God. Three persons Genesis. In Genesis he comes and then he's revealed in Genesis 18, and John he's revealed as the son of God. But Jesus comes as the express image of God and says look, I'm God and man and I'm going to make a way for you to have union with me. You don't have to do anything but believe in the sacrifice and the gift that I gave you. You don't have to die for me, I'm going to die for you. Buddha says you do everything for me and maybe one day you'll make it. Jesus comes and he says I'm going to die for you so you can make it. Now. I ask you you put those two gods on the table. Which one do you want?
Speaker 2:it doesn't well, I, I want, I, jesus is my my guy, but but that's but I'll put, I'll put Jesus on the table like that with any false God that exists on the planet, but I okay, so how?
Speaker 1:do you say God and friends, I don't know, you don't know? I don't know Because I think that's what you're doing. Islam is not the God of the Bible they believe it is.
Speaker 2:They believe it's the same God. You can believe anything you want and be genuinely wrong.
Speaker 1:They believe that the word Allah is only speaking of God and God can only be one person. There's only one God.
Speaker 2:The next time that we have a conversation and I don't mean this to disparage their religion, I'm not trying to be disrespectful, I'm just saying there's only one God and his name is Jesus and disrespectful. I'm just saying there's only one God and his name is Jesus and ask them who Jesus is, he's the Son of God.
Speaker 1:Well, they believe he's the Messiah, but they don't believe he is God. They don't believe he. That is true. That is true. They believe he's a Messiah and not God himself, and that is true, that's 100% true. But how can they believe that he's the Messiah and Allah is the God? So we're still definitely talking about the same people, what we believe their role was. You know what I'm saying? It's the same person it has to be, and I find that to be a bad misrepresentation to say that the word Allah by definition means God.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, you can give me.
Speaker 1:In English, God means God.
Speaker 2:So it's the same thing? Well, there's a lot of words that mean the same, you know, like a cup in English is a cup and then a cup in French is I don't know. Whatever it is Like. Just because they have the same word for a thing doesn't mean that it is the same thing. It is not the same thing. Jesus, jesus in the bible is not the jesus of the quran is not. The quran is not the bible. The bible is the holy written word of god. It is the logos expression of god I'm not debating that.
Speaker 1:All I'm debating is whether or not they're. They're speaking of the same people and they are. They are not.
Speaker 2:You keep telling me that Because they are. If you want an electrician, you call the plumber.
Speaker 1:I've talked to them and I know for a fact by speaking to Muslims, I have a lot of Muslim friends and I know that each and every one of them believe that we're. Do they know Jesus, our God, and their God is the same. Do they know Christ? They believe that Jesus is a Messiah. They don't believe he died. They don't believe that he could have died. Then Jesus is not God to them.
Speaker 2:That's what they believe. Allah is God to them. Jesus is not God to them, Jim.
Speaker 1:I didn't say that he is. I never did they're not the same person, but I'm saying the God, the word God, their heavenly God, they believe is the same person they may believe that.
Speaker 2:but they would be wrong if they don't believe right of Jesus, Jesus says you can be wrong about one aspect and not wrong about both.
Speaker 2:Jesus says, in my opinion, Well, there is a revelation of truth that can unfold. Yes, I will give you that. Yes for sure you can come to faith. Nobody comes to faith with full revelation. You come to faith with partial revelation. You're like, oh, I just saw the backside of Jesus and it made me believe in him, which leads me to a further revelation in Jesus, which grows me into the fullness of the image of Christ. I'll give you that. But the door is Christ, he said. I am the door and no one comes to the Father except through me. In the story of Noah it is perfectly illustrated in the ark that Jesus is the ark, as the boat was the ark for Noah. And in the ark of Noah there was only one door. There was one door in, one door out. There's no way to salvation except through that one door. And on that day God said to Noah get inside. And then God shut the door. And that is exactly a perfect portrayal of Jesus today, that there is no way to the Father except through Jesus.
Speaker 1:He is the door. Was the ark physically there or was it?
Speaker 2:100%. You can look it up on. You can go there and see it right now.
Speaker 1:Okay, I was trying to tell from our conversation if you were saying that it wasn't a physical thing like it was.
Speaker 2:It's definitely historical. Oh yeah, I know they say it is, but I that's why I was the one to ask you.
Speaker 1:I just think it's hilarious that that um in but it doesn't seem like it was big enough to fit two of each.
Speaker 2:Have have you ever been to the arc thing down in Kentucky? I have not. Oh my goodness, it's amazing. You gotta go see it. Take a kid, just just for the fact. Like it's, it's there's so many species, though it's insane.
Speaker 1:Two of them in each one.
Speaker 2:Well, it's crazy Well of course doesn't mean it was every dog. Right right, right bird is right right, right right inside of that one dog was every other dog that would come and evolve is is like. That's the thing where a lot of people out there who, uh, you know who? They believe that evolution is at war with the bible. It's not like the, the bible it's not at war. It's yes, we evolve, we. They were lizards evolved, but species did not. There's not half monkey man running around, contrary to what we all want.
Speaker 2:Well, I want to see bigfoot you know, I do too, but I've been in the woods long enough to know that he's not real, so I forget what. How we got to that conversation? Oh, a long time long conversation yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Well, I think it went well. We didn't mean to go to that. What I said was what started this conversation.
Speaker 2:I can tell you what it was.
Speaker 1:I said that evil in man comes from basically in my opinion from sex, greed and religion, and I think that's still true. I don't think you convinced me otherwise.
Speaker 2:I would say that, Like I think, what Russia is doing right now is greed, I would say that it's none of those and it's one thing and it's power, and that every other thing is a means to that thing power. And I believe that the scriptures reveal that in that, when Jesus I don't think everybody wants power.
Speaker 1:The devil.
Speaker 2:I know people that.
Speaker 1:I that that clearly do not want power at all.
Speaker 2:Then they definitely have a sense of um. They're wise. Those are wise people that don't want power. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Those are smart people that, like I, would surround myself To be like the second command. I like those people.
Speaker 2:I want. That's why, if I could go back and be like the second command, I like those people, I want that's when. If I could go back, oh man, forget it, I don't want to be in power. Power is, is a is an elixir that that brings destruction and it has the potential to destroy man's life. This is why the devil offered jesus power. He said if you'll worship me, I'll give you power, and I'll give you power through means, that's that that's corrupt. It won't require a sacrifice. Jesus, just bow down and worship me and I'll give you the world. That's what. That's what the devil comes, and it's no different today. He comes to us today and he offers us a sacrifice less gospel, and he and he and he offers a false power, a power that the power is. Oh, you see, that's what's happening in the world today.
Speaker 2:That's why vanguard, and, and all these corporations are buying up land, and that's why, at what point does the guy, microsoft guy, what's his name? Bill Gates? At what point does Bill Gates have enough? Why does he want more? Is it about money? Is it about sex, or is it about power? At what point do these gluttonous politicians say enough's enough, it's power, man, people love power, I've, I've. I watch people when they get a little bit of it and then I then I determine how I treat them for the rest of my relationship with them. If I see them act crazy with just a little bit of authority, can't trust you, I'm on, I literally disconnect myself. Oh, nope, nevermind, you are not to be trusted. Don't take something away from people, give them everything. I would say that to business owners Like hey, give them the keys to the cash register, see what they do with it. Yeah, you know what I mean. See what they do. He who is faithful with little will be faithful with much. Power is an elixir that very few people can handle.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know lots of people that just don't want that power, and I'll tell you who. One of them is Guido. Guido doesn't like power, he doesn't want it. He probably sees the evil in it. He doesn't like it. And the other one is my brother-in-law, brandon. I know for a fact so many times he could be the boss, and he just always chooses to be second Smart guy. Smart guy that's why he could be the boss. He's smart enough to do it. Smart guy, you know. But yeah, I mean it's. I don't know, but that's how we got on the subject anyways. And I don't know what, though. What's the deal with Russia?
Speaker 2:They're on our shores up in Alaska and we should be asking ourselves some questions there. Yeah, we should be.
Speaker 1:What's going on? Yeah, I don't get it. And then why are they wanting to send money to Lebanon and Israel at the same time? The government it's crazy, right? The industrial, that's wild. And nobody says okay and nobody says can't do that, nobody. They just keep wanting to do it. This is crazy.
Speaker 2:Why do our very own politicians fund both?
Speaker 1:sides of a war. It's what they're doing essentially, if you're sending it to Israel and Lebanon.
Speaker 2:Right. So you're funding both sides of a war. Why are they doing that? The industrial war complex, it's what killed JFK?
Speaker 1:It's what it's. What killed jfk? It's what it's. Yeah, why did trump not give us that? That's what I want to know give us what he was supposed to. That was what he agreed he was gonna do, because he?
Speaker 2:probably saw like, oh my goodness, if I pull the the covers back on this, they'll know. They'll know that they can't trust their government for sure well then, that's what we and there would be a succeed, there would be a succeeding of of states. That's what we need to know. Oh well, I, I think you'll, I, if you can't see that now. I mean well, I know that that's what happened.
Speaker 1:I know there's no question that that that. Did you ever read chaos yet or no?
Speaker 2:no, yeah yeah, I mean it's, it's definitely you, you can see that um the direction that we're going. If a stupid light, what the heck's going on, I don't know, it's, it's definitely you can see that the direction that we're going if that stupid light. What the heck's going on?
Speaker 2:I don't know it's got to sound like time right now. If we keep going in this direction, then what will happen is there will be the industrial war complex will continue to feed itself will be taxed into oblivion to feed the elites. Feed itself will be taxed into oblivion to feed the elites and eventually we'll have to succeed to um free states or or states that are run by the government, like there will be a revolution that will take place again do you think so?
Speaker 1:rather, you believe that's going to happen at 100.
Speaker 2:You do. Yeah, I mean I'm I believe it so much I'm I'm preparing for it. If it don't go right on on in november, I'm ready either way.
Speaker 1:But I guarantee you like there will be some absolute you know what I think needs to happen in this country, more than, just than anything they should give their life, life to Jesus and we all get saved. Well, I'm a firm believer, and just as we have religion, they should have religion.
Speaker 2:And on that note, and I believe that wholeheartedly, on the Jesus note, he's the only God that says bless your enemies, sure yeah absolutely.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, buddha might too.
Speaker 2:He's the only God that says if they smack you on one side of the face, let them smack you on the next. He's the only God that says take up your cross and follow me. He's the only God. I could just go on and on and on about what makes him distinct, what makes him separate from every other false god of the world.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but that being said, we want our freedom of religion, and everybody else deserves theirs.
Speaker 2:Absolutely 100%, Without a choice. We're not free.
Speaker 1:I think that's what I want to say. Things like we can't make laws as a state. Now, I agree that the state I'm not saying you- can't make them.
Speaker 2:I'm saying the foundation of those laws better be superior to man's ideas.
Speaker 1:I mean, I think the ideas are supposed to be good to all religion and beliefs. I believe that, and I don't think it's a state deciding them, though I think the people are supposed to decide them. Clearly, I think one of the ways that they could fix things is to stop making all these riders to every law. You know, I think that if they shorten laws, like if they made them where they had to be specific only you know what I'm saying I think that would solve 90% of the problems in this country.
Speaker 2:When you say that explain that 90% of the problems in this country. When you say that explain that.
Speaker 1:Well, if they want to pass a bill to give $10 billion to aid for a hurricane that's coming through and Lord knows they need to that bill is 900 pages. That's ridiculous. That doesn't need to be there and there's other laws that are in there and then it becomes. You know, if you don't vote for this you don't want to help the hurricane victims you think that's what's happening down in North.
Speaker 1:Carolina, oh, I would, I mean in North Carolina. I can't even, I don't know. I don't even understand how Bush responded to Katrina the way he did, and I always thought as well as he did. You don't remember that?
Speaker 2:I mean, I remember the event, I just don't remember the politics of it all. I remember it being an absolute debacle.
Speaker 1:It wasn't as much of a debacle. I mean it was just. The problem there is that the water hadn't gone away. I mean you had to get the water out before you could even do anything Right and it just had the logistics of it was not planned out. I guess I don't think that they had it set up to know what to do if the levees failed.
Speaker 2:I don't think they had?
Speaker 1:No, they had, and I think that was the biggest problem in that scenario. I don't think they had. No, they had no plans, and I think that was the biggest problem in that scenario. But I mean, literally within a couple days we had lots of helicopters pulling people out of there and getting everybody out of there, and I mean, north Carolina is just, there's nobody doing anything for them, and why is that? And then yet they had the nerve to say that there was a debacle with Bush. He had a lot to figure out. In that scenario, I agree. Okay, you know what I'm saying. I don't think there's much to figure out out there.
Speaker 2:I think the biggest get out there and help. I think the biggest outrage with that whole thing is the billions of dollars that went across the world but now suddenly are not available for the tax-paying citizens of America and there's no relief being offered.
Speaker 1:And then they're saying that it's fake news to say that they offered them $750 each. I heard her say it. She said it, you said it On air. That's what she said $750.
Speaker 2:And then I get in a feed of all these people just down there and now I'm connected to the people down there and they're just getting on and they're just telling the truth. They're saying what it is and they're exposing the government. They're saying like, no FEMA's here stealing our relief. People are bringing relief and FEMA's stealing it.
Speaker 2:They're not letting them come through because they want to bring it in and they shut down the airways because they don't want people telling the story, Don't want to get out. Why? Because it negatively affects the the outcome of the presidential race. Absolutely crazy. It's insane. I was going to go to uh, I was going to leave on Monday morning. I was going to leave and my wife wouldn't let me. No, no, I was going to leave and my wife wouldn't let me. No, that's good. No, come on, my daughter's getting married on Monday and I'm like I gotta go, Like I. Just my heart was breaking.
Speaker 2:I you know, I feel like, I feel like those are my people, like I'm, I'm from Appalachia. I just feel like man, I'm going, I'm have to, but I'm gonna go. And my wife said, you can't, you know, and I'm like, okay, all right, but I want to be there. Like like I just it's just horrible, yeah, horrible, like to think that a mud, just a wall of mud, could just wipe away your whole family and everything you, you know, and nobody care.
Speaker 1:that's how it feels nobody nobody's there.
Speaker 2:That's what they're saying that's how.
Speaker 1:That's what they're saying. I got everything.
Speaker 2:I see, I got, I got a person I know in real time. She's there, she. She used to tell my location in avon lake and she moved in and she does that kind of thing. So she goes to those areas and disasters and that's that's what she does. And she's there and she's giving me like no, here's where you want to send your money, troy, here's when you want to send your relief. We're loading up a camper right now as we speak, working with another trucking company to get some relief to go down and, uh, posting it all. But but she's like, telling me where to take it, she's telling me in real time what's happening on the ground. She's like, no, they're, it's, it's, it's despicable. What's happening that the government is is not there they, and if if they are there, they're just kind of sitting around like it's citizens, it's well, I saw ron desantis.
Speaker 1:That's the thing that he sent his, his national guard, in. I seen that. But I also seen him say I and he said it came out of his mouth. He said that he had not heard from kamala because she said he wasn't taking her calls. He said I have not heard from her, my phone hasn't rang. He said but I have talked to Biden and he's given us everything we've needed and he's been a good supporter of it. That's what he's saying Now. Why is and DeSantis is no Biden fan so clearly he wouldn't do that. Why is he saying that and not anyone else?
Speaker 2:I don't get that you've seen. She tried to call him and he said I won't let you politicize what's happening down here in florida.
Speaker 1:Now you're not allowed to do it. He said he didn't get to call at all you know, get it.
Speaker 2:Get you the recent, the recent conversation. Yeah, I woke up this morning, heard him say it oh, it was this morning, okay, yeah, yeah, yesterday.
Speaker 1:That's not what he said. He tried to reach out to him. Maybe it was. Oh, it was this morning. It was this morning, oh, okay, yeah, yeah, yesterday that's not what he said.
Speaker 2:He tried to reach out to him Maybe it was because of that conversation he wouldn't take her call and said look, you're not about to politicize Milton and what's about to take place. By the way, have you heard how people are asking Alexa future questions?
Speaker 1:My wife sent me the video.
Speaker 2:My wife sent me to video. I'm like are we living we?
Speaker 1:were literally in the matrix right now, like what? Yeah, my wife sent me the video, she did it, she tried it at home and it did tell her. Yeah, it told her 200 and what did it say? 256 died, and that it hit. It hit as it was a level five and I think it said it came on, come on, land at a level four. Oh, my goodness, that's what it said. It literally said that In October of 2024. Uh-uh, uh-uh. But here's the problem. I want out of the matrix. No, here's the problem and I'll go look at it right now.
Speaker 1:What is the problem. What do you mean? There is a problem with it.
Speaker 2:Okay, tell me and I'll tell you what the problem is Because I'm confused. I mean, if it all becomes right. That's a difference. Are we in the future or in the past?
Speaker 1:Are we? If it becomes true, then that's one thing, but if not, I feel like I'm in a Terminator movie right now. What is happening? No, here's the. Comes from. Hold on, let me. Let me find it here. It says where are you at? Where you at? She sent it to me. She asked our own at home, she asked our lux okay and um. It says where it comes, where they get the information from, that being the key to everything. Everything is where it's coming from, so it's like projected then.
Speaker 2:So these are projections.
Speaker 1:No, it's basically a bad. It's a bad. Okay. Well, we'll know. No, that's what I said. If it all comes true, that's a whole other thing. But here it is right here. So let me see if I can. I'll put it on here real quick. Let me make sure I I'll have it so it plays through, so everybody can hear it. I got to make sure I got everything on. I do I'm not good at this. Like having to do this stuff while I'm doing stuff sucks.
Speaker 2:Well, we got to get a guy in here to help us.
Speaker 1:I need it so bad.
Speaker 2:Let's get a guy in.
Speaker 1:I do need it, so bad.
Speaker 2:Who out there can help us? Anybody out there want to help us Be on the Tucker Thompson?
Speaker 1:Yeah, and also with Guido too.
Speaker 2:Gotta have a hot take.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that would be nice to have. Okay, so there's Bluetooth, so it should come through now. Let me make sure my volume's up Alright.
Speaker 2:I keep hoping I'll bump into Guido in here one day.
Speaker 1:Can you hear it? Did you hear it? I heard it, you did hear it.
Speaker 2:I mean vaguely. I heard her ask the question, but then I didn't hear it.
Speaker 1:It should come over here on the Bluetooth, though. Why is it not? Let me see, I do have it on here right. Bluetooth is on. I hear that.
Speaker 2:I hear that big truck outside. Yeah, it on here right, bluetooth is on. Well, hear that. I hear that big truck outside. Yeah, I do too. Yeah, you know, is this, is this Gino's like magic?
Speaker 1:ball over here. Yeah, that's his crystal ball. Crystal ball. So you see the future, yeah, okay, so here's what we're how does that not? I don't know why it's not coming through, because what kind of hurricane was hurricane milton from fandomcom? Fandomcom. That's the problem. So if you look at fandom, it's just garbage. It's just. They're just fun, they're just, they're just playing around. So all alexa is doing is finding fandomcom anything available to talk about it.
Speaker 2:Sure, because all they do is google. That's all they do and somebody just puts on their fandom. That really sent a shiver of cold reality down my spine, man, I was like oh man, I went out of the matrix.
Speaker 1:I was like yeah, look at fandomcom Cause.
Speaker 2:That's where the information is actually coming from it's, it's fandomcom.
Speaker 1:It's like if you've got information from Kamala Harris, perfect, perfect, we know where you stand.
Speaker 2:Perfect, perfect, I agree. Perfect Perfect. We know where you stand. Perfect Perfect, I agree. Okay, I understand everything now. Yeah, so it's in line with the globalists and the elites and Vanguard. It's just. Not even that, it's just. It's just. I think it's just kids just playing. It's like the inquirer in digital form. Yes, do they?
Speaker 1:have inquirer.
Speaker 2:I think they do, yeah, yeah, have inquired? I think they do, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You still go through the grocery store and see the. I don't know if it's so-called inquire, but I see the ridiculous. Like, do you?
Speaker 1:I guess stuff there like there's a last time I've been in a grocery store yeah, yeah, I'm curious do you believe in aliens?
Speaker 2:do I believe in aliens? Are they real?
Speaker 1:I think that it would be arrogant for us to believe we're the only life form in the universe now. Are there's an intelligent life form? Or I think it's almost arrogant to think that we're the only intelligent life form in the universe. I don't know how big the universe is, so I I mean, you know, I don't. Yeah, I, I think that I have. They come to this planet. I don't know. It's hard to say there's.
Speaker 1:There's definitely been reports and weird stuff now right, and I've seen some odd things in my in my life that I mean the government said they're real, that there's definitely been weirdness, but I think it would be arrogant anyways of us to think that we're the only life form.
Speaker 2:I think that that would just be so there is a metaphysical existence outside of our own I would think there's something.
Speaker 1:I mean, the universe is so big, it's so, so big, it's so, so big it's infinite, so so infinite, infinite I think I don't know, I don't know, I think I don't, I don't know that's how I feel. I've reduced myself to I mean, do you believe in reincarnation? No, well then, if you don't believe in that, then the universe must be infinite, because heaven has to be huge, because everybody dies and their soul goes, and that so you just blended two things together.
Speaker 2:Man, that freaks me out how you just took you just took a biblical truth and then blended it with like fantasy, like like it's like this now we have unicorns but do you see what I'm saying?
Speaker 1:yes, I mean lester recycling the souls in reincarnation, and it has to be infinite.
Speaker 2:Well, no, it can't be infinite. Because I don't know. I don't know what I believe about that. I mean, I believe what the Bible says about it, but I think my understanding of it is very sophomoric, very I don't know, I'm not smart enough to figure that out. But you know, like, when people talk about the Earth being billions of years old, I don't believe that I not smart enough to figure that out. But when people talk about the earth being billions of years old, I don't believe that. I think it's 6,000 years old, I don't know. And the only reason I know that is because I just use the Bible as a point of reference. So for me it's very simplistic I just use the Bible as the point of reference.
Speaker 1:I feel like the Bible. I feel like there's had to have been so many years of evolution before humans were functional enough to be able to start to communicate.
Speaker 2:But that's not what the Bible said. The Bible says that God created Adam and Eve. No, I get that community. That's not, but that's not what the bible said. The bible says that that god created, and I haven't yeah, no, I get that, I get that.
Speaker 2:So god, I stood outside of time and created time for you, and I live in and and we are eternal spirits living in temporary souls trapped within our times designated to us on earth. But everything has eternal consequence designated to us on earth, but everything has eternal consequence and what you do with your designated time determines your eternal so you don't believe.
Speaker 1:Do you do you? Do you believe? So how many years are you saying six thousand, six thousand. So you don't think that no you don't think that. No, you don't think that the earth existed before humans.
Speaker 2:No, I believe exactly what the scripture said Happened happened.
Speaker 1:He says there was no animals on the planet before us.
Speaker 2:The earth was formless and void and God hovered above it, and then God created, and then God created. And then what's interesting is how God created. He used his words to create sure and then he just created.
Speaker 2:He created every, everything that. And then he put us in charge. He put man in charge and then he was. He was in union with the man he created, which further, you know, points out the the evidence of the Trinity, when he said let us make man in our image. This is God having a conversation with the three persons of himself. When he created humans and he said let us create them in our image, that we were made in the image of God. And then Adam lost the fellowship of heaven because he had a free choice, because real love gives a choice. If there's no choice, then it's not love. So he gave him a choice and he did not obey and ate from the tree of good and evil. And here we are today. But Jesus came and restored what Adam lost. That's what the Bible tells us. But yeah, I believe that God created it.
Speaker 1:I guess I never thought of it that way, I just like think of it just as.
Speaker 2:That's kind of the explanation of Genesis in the opening chapter.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, yeah, I guess I knew that, but I thought that I guess I thought that everything, other things existed, just not human, none of it.
Speaker 2:God stands. I mean, I know there was no and thank God that he does, I mean we pray that he stands outside of time, that there's more beyond just this realm of time, that we know.
Speaker 1:How long was it between the time he said let there be. He created Adam and Eve. A day, Was it? It was seven days A day. There were days, you know there were seven days. Yeah, the seventh day rested.
Speaker 2:He rested, which you know. We come into the rest of Christ when we receive Jesus. He is our rest. So yeah, there were seven. That's my greatest explanation of that. I mean, it makes more logical sense to me than billions of years, you know. It takes it takes less faith for me to believe that there was a God who stood outside of time, created it for me, knew when I would, when I would be best fit for my time, custom fit me for my time, put me within my time and then, you know, gives me the opportunity to have a relationship with him within my time and then, when my time is finished, I go to be with him in eternity. That's a better explanation of my existence than you know billions of years ago.
Speaker 2:um, you know but my thing is I know, I didn't know if I never, I never knew if seven days was literal I mean, I don't think any of us know as a matter of fact whether seven that's, that's where I think, where my there's another passage of scripture that says you know, uh, with the lord, one day is as if a thousand years, that's in the new testament even, and so I mean there is speculation there. We could, we could question that, you know well, was it seven, you know? Was it seven days, or was it seven thousand years? Right, but that's, I guess, where it seems, it seems, um, it seems lucid to believe that he was speaking in in very matter-of-fact terms, like day one, I did this.
Speaker 1:Day two, I did this day I don't see him do anything that fast. Yeah, well, god, I don't see him do anything. What do you mean? Nothing in this universe does he do overnight. I don't see that. You see that. I don't see that Everything in this world is God.
Speaker 2:I mean the earth sits on an action.
Speaker 1:I mean everything, nothing. So you don't think. I mean I don't know. Nothing he's done happens overnight, so why would he rush that day when he made the greatest invention of his life? He did it overnight, but now we'll just let it kind of creep up.
Speaker 2:I mean I don't know, it doesn't make sense to me right, I don't know you take that up with him, but I'm just saying You're still thinking that Adam and Eve looked like us.
Speaker 1:Adam and Eve may have looked different. Adam and Eve looked like God. They were made in, I understand that, but they may have god, they may have looked different than us. Similar, but different, you know what I mean. Like they, maybe they look like the cavemans, we see, you know what I mean? I don't know, I didn't um, I mean, you don't know nobody knows.
Speaker 2:No, this is true, and I say this all the time when I have conversations with people like I don't know. I'm just giving you what I read. I'm just telling you what I read. Man, I just happened to be, I just and and my personal experience with because we've had, because it's like you said, we evolve.
Speaker 1:You you said it earlier in this conversation is not?
Speaker 2:the evolution of your life is not at the antagonist of god. You're not. You're not at conflict with God when you say I must evolve. I'm evolving, we're evolving every day, either into something better or worse. Sure, you know, like you know.
Speaker 1:I'm just, I'm curious, I don't know. It's a fair question, I think.
Speaker 2:What I do know is that there were days they were assigned to me, and that's how I translate the world. That's how I translate my very existence today. It's the best explanation I could find, and I searched for him and I looked hard, you know, I and it. It makes sense to me that God, for God, so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever should believe in him would not perish but have everlasting life. Yeah, so yeah makes sense to me. I put my trust in him.
Speaker 1:All right. So we don't know what's the answer.
Speaker 2:It may have not been seven actual days.
Speaker 1:Seven days.
Speaker 2:It may have not been seven actual days, it's seven days. Okay, let's say this Seven days are 7,000.
Speaker 1:Okay, fair enough, it's in that range. I can agree with that. Yeah, I could agree with that.
Speaker 2:but even that, if it's 7 000, then you have to multiply everything moving from then today as seven times seven thousand, because I say it makes more. I'm saying the world is six thousand. I believe it's six thousand years old, based on, do you think?
Speaker 1:god made another world at one time.
Speaker 2:This is how sick my mind works I don't think it's sick, I think I think that's a great question.
Speaker 1:He made another world at some times and you're like these assholes aren't working and just got rid of them, wiped them out. And then he's like I'm going to try this one over here.
Speaker 2:I mean he is coming back and when he comes back and that's where a lot of people got has offered an invitation. Jesus came his first time to open the door to the ark for all of mankind to get in. Get in now, because when he comes back his second time it's not going to be pleasant. And this is where you can get into theological debates about the reality of the rapture. And the people that are in Christ will be taken away from the earth. Is what the Bible describes as There'll be two men and one will be taken away. It's a very, very, very vivid explanation. They'll be taken away and then, suddenly, and then, after they're taken away, the judgment of God, just like the judgment of God, followed Noah when he got in the ark. Then judgment came to the earth, so likewise, he said, as it was in the days of Noah. So, and judgment came to the earth, so likewise, he said, as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be when the Son of man returns. The ark was the salvation of Noah and his family. The ark of Christ is the salvation of all mankind.
Speaker 2:But when he comes back a second time and he asks his disciples, his disciples ask him what will it be like? He said well, there'll be wars, famines, tornadoes, earthquakes, hurricanes. There'll be massive deception in the earth. That's the first thing he said to him. That's his first thing he said to him. There'll be deception. People will come in and there will be ravenous wolves in the church that day, not to the unsaved, but to the saved. They'll be deceived. And then he said that's what it'll be like when I come back. But when he comes back, he said the door will be closed and there'll be many on the outside that will be pounding on the door to get in and he'll say I never knew you.
Speaker 2:I gave you an opportunity to come in His second. His first visit was salvation. His second visit will be judgment, and that's when I'm like get in the ark now. Anybody listen to my voice. Hey, give your life to Jesus, just give your life to Jesus, get your family in the ark. You can't take your cars to heaven, you can't take your money to heaven, you can't listen. Just get in the ark, man. And here's the good part you don't even need like, you don't have to get right to get in. You just have to trust Jesus to get in. That's it. You don't have to get free from drugs to get in. You don't have to quit violence, murder, stealing, cheating. You don't have to do any of that to get into Christ. And this is where it's deceptive. People believe like I got to clean my life up and then I'm going to get right with God. No, no, you get. You get right with God. He'll take care of you. He'll help you get rid of all of the other stuff. He'll help you get rid of the darkness.
Speaker 1:He catholics and confession. How do you feel about that?
Speaker 2:it's false. I'm just curious. False religion? I'm just curious. What about confession?
Speaker 1:I don't know, like the whole confession thing it's, I just I don't know, I just faith is faith is faith.
Speaker 2:And none of us, like I said earlier, none of us, have a perfect revelation of jesus. Right so, but? But only christ knows those, who, who, who come to him, who? Because? Because I cried out on Fifth Street one night and I just God, if you're real? And then he began to show me things, so I didn't know who he was, I didn't know anything, that's fine, I get that, but the priest thing, like the priest, knows everybody's dirty secrets.
Speaker 2:No, no, he is the high priest, there should be no middleman between you and God. Period. You have a bible, read it be learn better. I'm just curious, I'm just curious.
Speaker 1:I mean I know they go there. Catholicism is a form of control. I just I just wondered where, where does it even come from? Like, where did they come up with the idea yeah it's a I don't know I. I never went to a catholic church. I never did. Did you? Oh yeah, I never went because a girl really? Yeah, I never did. Did you?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I never went to one Because a girl Really, yeah, yeah, and she wanted to go to her family.
Speaker 1:I think I went to a midnight mass once.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I went to a few of them.
Speaker 1:I think just once.
Speaker 2:But I prayed real prayers in those things, in those Catholic churches, and I believe there are absolutely 100% Catholics that trust Jesus and believe in Jesus and Jesus and believe in Jesus and they're just practicing false religion, but they know Jesus.
Speaker 1:That doesn't close their door.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, no. Nobody can close the door but him, right? Yeah, that's the problem. Like I can't tell you, you don't know Jesus. I can't tell you when you're saved, I can't tell you when you're not saved, I can't tell. Put your trust in Jesus, you'll know, you'll be all right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you'll be all right, yeah, yeah, I just I don't know. I just wondered, I just I always wondered where it came from.
Speaker 2:It's weird it came, yeah, it came from the old Testament. You know, confession it's the priests of the of the old Testament. They would come what was there and they kind of, you know, just manipulated it so they could have power and the Catholic church over in there in in Israel, and they got they they they got it all locked up.
Speaker 1:dude, there's a Catholic church in Israel.
Speaker 2:The Catholic church has sites labeled in Israel as if they are the the legitimate sites of like, let's say the crucifixion of Jesus.
Speaker 2:They don't even know the Holy, the like, let's say the crucifixion of jesus, that they don't even know, the holy, the church of the holy sepulcher, like they're in israel, that all the catholics go there and they go there as if that's the place where jesus died. But it can't be. It can't be. If you read the scriptures, it can't be. It was outside of the, the, the walls of jerusalem, where jesus died, so it has to be the, the tomb, the garden tomb is where he died, and then so. So there are all these different sites that they have, like, capitalized on, but they'll, they'll, like, they planted themselves on these sites and made it seem as if these are legitimate sites, and and if you just do a little bit of research has done that for years, like they've been doing across the world yeah, they've been doing that for years and years They've held on to that.
Speaker 1:That documentation is too far back for anybody to argue yeah, a lot closer to when it happened than we are. You know what I mean For sure. So it's, I mean, I can understand.
Speaker 2:But if you know your Bible, you'll go there and you'll go. That can't be the place. So the church has monopolized this real estate in order to like say that they've kept. They're kind of cornered the truth there. That's good though.
Speaker 1:It's okay if they do, it's okay if they go there, because you go there and you worship and believe and believe. That's what you see and that's okay, I mean as long as there's a place to do it. You know what I'm saying, and it should be the authentic, and so I it doesn't matter if it's authentic.
Speaker 2:Oh, it does. No, there was, there was. I went there with a guy for many years. His name was leor and leo. I said look, there's ones, twos and threes on on our tours, there's ones, twos and threes. And he said ones are 100. You know, this is the spot where jesus was. This is where one all went down, twos are. We're close. No, we're in the valley of elah. This is where david and goliath fought. We don't know the exact rocks he picked up and thrown, but we are in the area. And then there are threes. Absolutely not, and the catholic church has built itself on a lot of threes. Can't be, can't be the place.
Speaker 2:But that's okay, but but right, like you say the, the story is still there. But yeah, I mean, because he's everywhere, I mean that's, that's, that is to your point, to your point of like who put these priests in place? Well, that was a form of control, just like I believe those spots were there. So these are just forms of control.
Speaker 1:I think that most of the priests were put in place by Puff Daddy.
Speaker 2:Here we go, here we go and I think you're right.
Speaker 1:I think you're right.
Speaker 2:I think you're right. I think you're right, I think you might be right. I think they run in the same circles, some of that stuff.
Speaker 1:How is that so strong? Did you see that whole thing with that? Bellazio? Mm-mm. What do you mean? Is it Bellazio? Am I saying it right? Bellazio? I don't know One of the designer stuff. Bellazio, am I saying it right? Blasio? I don't know one of the the like designer stuff blasio, am I saying it wrong? I don't know.
Speaker 2:I don't even know what you're. I don't go deeper. What are you talking?
Speaker 1:about he's talking. They have the devil like everything is like satan worship. Is it blasio? Is that my sound's? Playing it wrong I don't know what it is oh no, you're talking about.
Speaker 2:um, I must be saying it'll come to me. Oh no, you're talking about I must be saying it wrong. It'll come to me in a minute.
Speaker 1:But yeah, you're talking about the image of the horned animal with yeah, and they had the kids dressed up in crazy clothes with the Satan in the pictures.
Speaker 2:I mean, it was just like this goes back to our conversation, jimmy, where people at the, the nature of man is fallen and very evil.
Speaker 1:Do you believe those?
Speaker 2:people are worshipping the devil, like they're literally worshipping him. I believe that. Yes, I believe. The evidence is there are incredible insecurities that if we acknowledge what's right in front of our face, it will disrupt this false facade of peace that we carry around in this world. That is very nefarious and evil and if you just look at some of the nature, some of the behavior and some of the things that are carried out in humanity, it's very scary to believe that we could. Actually, because you believe that for I don't know how many years those girls were locked up in that house over there in Cleveland that you and I probably went down past I-90, past that house. How many countless times Could you drive?
Speaker 1:over to it.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, so close. I've met some of the girls so close, so close to I, to i-90, right, but we drove by there and but who, who would have believed that every day, that in the heart of a man he would conceive, abducting girls, locking them up in his basement and conceiving children with them over general, you know, over years, uh, you know like, but that is in the heart of man and I think that is what is. It's not in the heart of all men, it's in the nature, it's in our fallen nature.
Speaker 2:Because of good men, he was found Right. Yes, yes so.
Speaker 1:I mean it's not in all men.
Speaker 2:You know that scripture that says the meek shall inherit the earth. You know what that means. I love Jordan Peterson. Have you ever read anything on Jordan Peterson? Oh, you got to read Jordan. You'll love Jordan Peterson. Google him tonight. Oh, I'm so glad that I just said that to you. Google Jordan Peterson tonight and just you're welcome. Just you're welcome, right, but he explains what it means, and I've studied the Bible a lot and he explained this is perfect the meek shall inherit the earth, which, to you and I, you read that on the surface and it seems like, oh, like the timid those who want peace, who are always looking to provide no, no, no.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's the bitches.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're right, the betas, you know the weak ones, no, no, no. What it means is those who have a sword but keep it in its sheath. Those are the ones that will inherit the earth. And he goes on to explain how really good men are dangerous men who have harnessed their evil and made it serve good.
Speaker 1:You want to know what's weird? That's not how I thought of it ever in my whole life. What I thought was meek were the people who didn't stick up for what they were going to get, what they were supposed to have, or didn't fight. That's the meek, and they were the ones that were going to be left on earth and the rest were going to heaven.
Speaker 2:That's how I always heard it.
Speaker 1:It's the opposite, Because I always thought that hell might be earth. It's the opposite it's, it's, it's. I always thought that hell might be earth. That's her wolves.
Speaker 2:It's the wolves, who surrendered themselves as lambs, that shall inherit the earth. It's the very dangerous people of society that have taken their fallen nature and surrendered it to God and said God, I'll give it to you because I want it. I want to murder, but vengeance is yours, he said. Those are the ones that will inherit the earth.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've always seen it different.
Speaker 2:That's weird. I always thought inheriting the earth wasn't a good thing.
Speaker 1:I always thought that was hell. To inherit the earth, man, you want to inherit heaven, don't you? I don't know, that's how I see it, and I guess I'm seeing it different.
Speaker 2:I assume that means the redeemed earth, the earth after you know Christ. How many times do you?
Speaker 1:think God's done this.
Speaker 2:I don't know. I've often wrestled with that, like maybe this is the gospel story for our 6,000 years. You know, maybe it is he's God. I mean, you know what I mean. What if he's got like a whole farm of us? I know, maybe he's got like I'm you know what I mean. Like what if he's got like a whole farm?
Speaker 1:of us like I know, maybe he's got like six six galaxies going on at one time yeah, why wouldn't he?
Speaker 2:but we're eternal spirits, so so okay.
Speaker 1:So that's what like that's where infinity, that's where it opens but it's.
Speaker 2:But it's not as we understand it. It's, it's, with, it's, like it's like we shall be like him.
Speaker 1:What is that men? Men in black black, is that what it was? Where he, where they show the marble little thing. Yeah, that's wild, like that's a mind-blowing thought right, it is but it could absolutely be true.
Speaker 2:I'm definitely not smart enough to think that through, but I have wrestled with that idea of like man like, wow, like, I mean, it doesn't take away it doesn't take away from the religion of christ of earth here. But no, I just think it's that it's the part that we don't know. I don't know. I mean there is some stuff there, like in the book of revelation, where he, he will, you know he will come and he will, he will throw time into a capsule of fire.
Speaker 1:That does away with it. But there's nothing in the Bible that says he hasn't done it before, nothing. Have you read it? You show me where it says he's never done this before. Well, I approach the scriptures pretty humbly, because anytime somebody I mean he's speaking to us, that's not saying that I take it within its full context.
Speaker 2:I examine a text by the context of it. What if?
Speaker 1:20 billion years ago somebody already invented cars and airplanes and all that.
Speaker 2:Have you been snooping around's a lot of uh, evidence that, like all of the old architecture, like from europe, like all of the the huge, grandiose architecture, I'm not talking about on earth oh no, yeah well they're talking about, on other planets. Other, there are some suggestions that that actually we never built any of those things within our 6 000 years, that they were here like the pyramids.
Speaker 1:Yeah, something crazy like that which you know, like I said, what are you, how do you, how do you figure? The pyramids got built?
Speaker 2:I mean a lot of ingenuity from from their time. I think there's a lot of ingenuity. And, man, we're going down a rabbit hole here, dude, uh, and in those times there were. There were giants on the earth. That's what the scripture say there were.
Speaker 1:And when they say giants, how big do you think they were? Giant like?
Speaker 2:how big. Fallen angels in rebellions of god came down, saw the daughters of man and went into them and had children that created. In the Bible calls them giants. It says that Goliath was, which means that was post-blood.
Speaker 1:I get that, but was that big enough to carry those stones? You think Big enough to?
Speaker 2:create levers and leverage. Yeah, maybe, yeah, I guess that's fair enough. I mean, yeah, fair enough. And there are many research sites, sites out there, if you go down this rabbit hole but shouldn't we find those bones? Well, there are people. Those bones are in area 51. That's what area they say that that is where it's the first time I've ever heard time these.
Speaker 2:Well, it's because, all right, it's saying there there is. There is this theory that the governments of the world, the globalists of the world, are I know this is wild. I know I've never heard such a thing. This is the theory of Nephilim, where they have taken these fallen angels and they have captured them, these UFOs, these otherworldly beings, and they have captured them and they are building a fortress. They're building a fortress in order to overthrow God. The governments have aligned themselves with. This is a theory the governments of the world have aligned themselves. These elitists, these globalists are looking for to overthrow and rebel against God.
Speaker 1:I gotta look into this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you got to. This is wild. Who am I reading? Hold on, hold on. Let me write it down Nephilim.
Speaker 1:You want to research Nephilim? No, no, no. Let me write it down Nephilim. You want to research Nephilim? No, no, no. You said the writer Jordan Peterson. Jordan Peterson Now that's a whole. Who is he? The?
Speaker 2:12 Rules for Life. He was a professor out of Canada, but he's on tour in America. I'm not Canadian. No, no, I'm telling you I love this dude Me. Either Me either and neither me either. Yeah, and neither is he either. Is he okay? He is an absolute, like he's. He's a powerhouse man. I love his thoughts. I love the way he thinks. It liberated me to read some of his stuff. This was fun today. I've had fun today. This was fun, for sure it was.
Speaker 2:It was deep it was way deeper than I wanted to go. I didn't know.
Speaker 1:We were going here. I didn't either dude. I felt like I was on a Star Trek level. Do you remember that episode of Star Trek where they found the gods? Do you remember that? I do not.
Speaker 1:no, it was a really cool concept because they got to a planet and the planet had all the Greek gods there and you know, the concept was Greek gods are Nephilim. The concept was great gods are nephilim, that the one, they the. The concept was that they wanted us to bow down when we, when we got there, and they're like, they're like, uh, they're like, uh, uh, we've outgrown you now. Basically, you know what I'm saying. Wow, but but that was the and they were giants. You're right about that too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so that might be the same story that you're talking about.
Speaker 1:That might be the same story, but basically we arrived there you know on the enterprise, and got there and and maybe they were selling, discovered them.
Speaker 2:You know the author of terminate termin. Uh, what terminator. And what's the other one, matrix, that that author who, like the producer, whatever they call that person that you know, like, told the stories, uh, originated stories. He, he or she was telling I can't remember if it was a woman or a man, but was telling the story of christ, which is hard to not see. Now that you see it, you go back and watch the terminator, yeah, you can see that. You can see all the characters, yeah, yeah. And you can go back and watch matrix, see, all like, well, matrix is pretty obvious because yeah, that was the language they used but um, yeah, I don't know why I said that, but yeah, good, good talk today yeah, I liked it today.
Speaker 1:I did like it today.
Speaker 2:You need to read chaos, though I'm gonna read it's gonna blow your hair back. We got a basket full of home of books that people give me and I was like it's just, I can't get through them. That one's going to blow your hair back. It blew my your airbag. It blew my hair back. Oh, your hair back. It blew my hair back.
Speaker 1:It blew my airbag. I was sitting there going. What in the world I? It's unreal. All the different connections Of the 60s and the crazies.
Speaker 2:That went on.
Speaker 1:It's wild. It's definitely wild. Alright, we had fun. This was great. And that was Tucker and Thompson and that'll be labeled as so. As we go today, everybody will see us. It's Tucker and Thompson. I don't know if you see it, but it's there. You like that? That was dynamite. You should do your intro music With the ACDC. I don't know if you see it, but it's there. Tnt. You like that? Tnt, that's dynamite. That was Guido.
Speaker 2:Guido goes TNT. I like it. You should do your intro music with the ACDC.
Speaker 1:With TNT. That's pretty good. But see, the problem is then, when we do that, I worry about if we have any type of Like cut off. Yeah, if they won't let it go on YouTube and stuff because you don't have copyrights, you probably have to pay to have that on there. You know, we're just a couple of poor people. All right, it was fun. Peace, bye, guys.
