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Tucker & Thompson
Navigating Faith and Tradition in Modern Times
Have you ever questioned how deeply woven gender roles and political ideologies are within church communities? Join us as we dissect the perception of Kamala Harris among churchgoers, unraveling how cultural backgrounds and upbringing can influence voting behaviors. We take a hard look at how moral issues are often manipulated by politicians and the deceptive narratives surrounding women's reproductive rights. Delving into traditional gender roles within marriage, we discuss the biblical perspective on submission and the societal pressures that challenge these beliefs. Our conversation shifts focus to leadership, offering insights into figures like Trump and JD Vance, and appreciating Vance's resilience amidst adversity.
Could global conspiracies be shaping our perceptions? We venture into the realm of media influence, questioning the hidden messages in content and expressing our dissatisfaction with pandemic management. Our dialogue captures the power of community support and faith, highlighted by a touching story of a missionary’s sacrifice. Through personal tales, we reflect on the impact of childhood experiences with a strict yet loving mother, acknowledging how these moments shape our adult lives. The strength found in community during the pandemic is uplifting, showcasing how collective support can keep businesses afloat during adversity.
What truly defines success and personal growth? Embracing the concept of being a "second fiddle," we explore the value of prioritizing passion and simplicity over material gains. Reflecting on the passage of time, we emphasize the importance of living with integrity and embracing the grace of Jesus. As we navigate faith and personal conviction, we candidly discuss shared sin and personal challenges, finding joy in community interactions. From the complexity of personal struggles to the joy of a daughter's wedding, this journey through life's many dimensions offers insights into the art of balancing personal growth with community connection.
May God Be with you!!!
the story of the iPad. That's a good story right that's the least of my, least of my distractions on a Sunday. It gets more bizarre and more bizarre by the by the day.
Speaker 1:what's that gets more bizarre. The Sundays, sundays, sundays are more and more bizarre. Oh, my goodness. Yeah, how many people there's a good question how many people in your church percentage just a percentage do you think are going to vote for Kamala?
Speaker 2:Not many. Not many. No, 5% maybe 5% percent.
Speaker 1:Do you feel disappointed in them?
Speaker 2:no, no, I feel. I feel empathy for them because, because they've been so deceived by the system, by the matrix, they've been deceived into believing that their ethnicity is equal to the in ideology that's what, that's what it's.
Speaker 1:Oh, it's that, it's, that's what it is.
Speaker 2:You think oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, you know where we're raised, where we come from. You vote this way. Why? Because you're from here.
Speaker 1:That's why you vote that way, and you're told that from the moment you Well, the rain counties went Trump the last two years right.
Speaker 2:The last two elections right, yeah, but I mean, mean, I think it has I mean I don't, I don't, I don't think I've paid attention much to that, as much as I have, like, uh, moral issues that politicians try to manipulate to their advantage, you know yeah yeah, so it's so. Yeah, I and I see that, and then my heart's broke for it because I'm like god man, they're just enslaving you more and more and more. You know.
Speaker 1:And I don't say that discouragingly. That's their thing against Trump, that's their big thing. What Trump doesn't want to let you kill babies. That's crazy, isn't that wild? That's their big thing.
Speaker 2:And you're selling that to people in the name of civil rights, almost Well, yes, in the name of civil rights.
Speaker 1:They're saying it's a civil right. Yeah, they're saying that. They keep calling it. What do they call it? I just was complaining about it today, actually earlier. They call it women's reproductive rights.
Speaker 2:Get out of here. What is that?
Speaker 1:That's the exact opposite of what it is get out of here.
Speaker 2:That's the exact opposite of what it is. It's the destruction of a promise from God before it ever gets the opportunity to come. Like it's, and it's like to just to plant that poison in the heart of a child. To hate men, to hate um the, to hate um the surrender to marriage, to hate and despise the, almost the. The duty of motherhood is so nefarious. Like it's, it's so destructive?
Speaker 1:Do you think that, um, it is a woman's job to submit to her husband when she gets married?
Speaker 2:I think that is the order biblically, and I don't say that in a way as tyranny over women. I say that in the way to let men know that's your responsibility, dude. You know what you got to take care of these women.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You must, you must and don't you ever forget that he is soft and tender and nurturing and loving and kind and benevolent. And you're the one that's supposed to go to war. You're the one that's supposed to fight. You're the one that's supposed to protect and provide.
Speaker 1:But you don't say submit to your husband, to the woman.
Speaker 2:I read the scriptures as they are.
Speaker 1:You do say it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, of course, submit. I know, and it sounds like a dirty word, moses wouldn't say that to a woman in 2020, dude he wouldn't do it, not in 2020, he wouldn't.
Speaker 1:He said not in 2020.
Speaker 2:No, he wouldn't, but that's the deception that the that I mean. Just think about what has happened to our children, to your daughter, to our daughters, and how the enemy has attempted Like there is such a real evil presence in the world to strip the sacredness of femininity from a woman and make her hard Like I. No man wants a hard woman, none none.
Speaker 2:Nobody wants. You, don't want your, your wife harder than and if you do your beta, your beta, you, you just, you're just, you're a sissy. You're Tim Walls. Yes, you are, exactly yeah. And if you vote for that dude, you are that man. I'm sorry to tell you that's a weird dude. That dude is full of demons, homie.
Speaker 1:What do you feel about JD Vance? I love JD Vance.
Speaker 2:I love the guy I like him more than Trump Because I like that one guy that he ran against back in the day. He was a young soldier. I met him, I he was running against him. I forget his name at the time, but now that I've gotten to know JD, yeah, I love JD. I think I like him better than Trump. I think he could be another Republican candidate.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I mean, he is so impressive with everything he does.
Speaker 2:You can't mix him up in his mind. The dude is solid, he's rock solid. You could throw a missile at him, he'll deflect it.
Speaker 1:Because he's had real problems. He's brilliant. I've said that for years Like that's a big problem, Like with my kids. I know my kids get all worked up and stuff Because they need real problems in their lives. They've never had real problems. You know what I'm saying. I know exactly what you're saying and when I was a kid I had real problems. So I, Exactly, and JD had real problems growing up. You know what I mean. He had real problems. He had our problems.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean. When I look at that guy, I'm like bro. You know exactly what you're saying. Yeah, but I love the guy.
Speaker 1:I really do. I think he's. I mean I and I was thrown. I was thrown off by it because I didn't, you can't mess with him.
Speaker 2:I mean he's. I forget the ethnicity of his wife. She's Indian and I don't know her story. But you can't tell him. You can't call him a racist, no, you can't tell him. He doesn't know what it's like to come from the other side of poverty. You can, you can try, but the guy's like have you seen the movie?
Speaker 1:Have you seen that I did. I went and watched it as soon as he elected him or brought him on. Oh my gosh, I went and watched it immediately. I'm like wow. And I didn't have much time because I had canceled my Netflix subscription because they put so much money to.
Speaker 2:Harris oh my gosh, you did that too Immediately, immediately, guys, you did that too immediately becca goes to turn it on. She's like what happened to netflix. I'm like I had to get rid of that man. They gave seven million dollars to this chick.
Speaker 1:I was like I'm not having it when they ask you why remember at the end why you can't, did you tell them? Because I don't want to support eric absolutely what I did too yeah, I mean they're.
Speaker 2:They're bleeding for sure. Oh, I saw disney like disney's out here trying to give subscriptions away. Now they're like three dollars a month. Just come back. We'll stop talking about the, the rainbows and all the transvestites yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 1:Well, that's scary in itself because there's a lot of stuff in disney movies yeah, it's wild, isn't that crazy. You grew up as a kid, it's nice, but then the more I see it's like, wow, it really is, you know and that's how you know they're really doing the bad stuff that they say they're not doing.
Speaker 2:Because you're like who, who in their right mind would put that stuff in disney films? Do we just read too much into it? I mean, after you see, you can't unsee it right, you can't unsee it right, you can't unsee it.
Speaker 1:Once you see it, you're like that is exactly what it looks like, but I think a lot of people put too much into things, things that just turned out to be a coincidence or whatever. And then people are you selling?
Speaker 2:I'm not bro, If all of the conspiracies are proven true after like 365 days. They're not conspiracies anymore.
Speaker 2:Man like I used to think that way too I remember arguing with my friends on the way back from, uh, florida and uh, we need to get back to hillbilly elegy, by, by the way but but I was arguing with them and they're like you know, we're telling me about the illuminati and they were talking about, like this, this global, you know, one world order, and how there's a, a global elite that run the world. And I remember this was not that long ago, it was probably 10 years ago, 12 years ago and I was just like you guys are all crazy because I, I couldn't tell you a secret in this car and it lasts the duration of this trip without you telling somebody else, so to believe that there's some sort of global conspiracy being run. And then I then, and then, and then turn the lights on in 2020.
Speaker 1:And then you're like five years later we're like let's see, you know, the thing is, you want to blame that on America. Like you get mad at Americans for what happened here. Like I know, I like Amy Acton. I I just I was so like disgusted with her. Who's Amy Act with her? Who's amy acton? You don't remember amy acton? Amy acton was our acting health director or whatever. Oh yeah, during the pandemic and she was like crying on it, like are you kidding me? Like the government's supposed to be up there showing strength. She's up there crying and for nothing. Honestly, it's for nothing. And and dewine's like following right in line with it, following. You know what I mean? Man, dewine was scary, he was.
Speaker 2:It scared the shit out of me. I'm like this guy is. He looked like a little little version of that dude from germany.
Speaker 1:For a minute I was like yeah, for sure it was yeah he was freaking me out he was definitely freaking me out so, but like that whole thing that went on with, uh, with, with what they're selling and pushing, or whatever you felt like it's america, it's in ohio, it's this, it's that, but it was all over the world. It was everywhere. Everywhere was doing the same thing like I mean it's not even like you could say that's just like american politics. That was the world.
Speaker 2:I mean it was it was at that point that I realized like, oh, I don't. I see through the matrix and didn't realize it Because I sniffed it out right away. I'm like this is not what they're saying, it is. They're killing people. They put people in the hospital and murdering people.
Speaker 1:It seemed like it. It definitely did seem like it.
Speaker 2:Well, the numbers now verify that they did and all the evidence supports that. Yeah, I mean, it does seem like it, your that they did and all the evidence supports that. Yeah, I mean, it does seem like it, but your, your comment section is gonna blow up. Stay out of the comment section, by the way.
Speaker 1:Jim, stay out, I could tell you get out of the comment section trying to rationalize with irrational, yeah right it's not rational.
Speaker 1:My my problem with that, with the whole thing, like when you say that they're trying, I feel like that the amount of people that were going to die were we were at the end of the baby boomers. I feel like you know what I mean. That was like when the baby boomers were dying. That was so. It was so convenient that when the baby boomers are scheduled to die, there's a pandemic that's killing them off. Well, they were going to die anyway, Most of them were anyway.
Speaker 2:Yes, but the transfer of wealth was retarded. It widened the middle class gap by 50%.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's huge. It's huge the whole thing from that. I don't know. I just don't think that they were killing people. I think people were dying anyways and they just used that conveniently to blame it on. I don't think they knew they were.
Speaker 2:Well, I think they knew they were doing it, but they were doing it because they didn't. They followed orders.
Speaker 1:It could be. I think there's more mental health issues that came from it than anything. Myself For sure. I mean, like I know we lost a good friend and couldn't go to his funeral. Oh man, I wasn't able to see Barrett be born. I was there for a while there later, but when Barrett was born I wasn't allowed in the hospital.
Speaker 2:That doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1:It doesn't. Everybody needs their family. Then that's when I you imagine being in a nursing home, dying, and your family can't come see you. You just got to sit in there with you. Know what I mean? It's just that's just so sad and so like I don't know it's disturbing.
Speaker 2:It was really, it was really angering for me to watch the community of faith be such cowards, considering the history of, like the church, the early church, and how, in the early church, like, there's this, there's this Island. I think it's Hawaii. I think there's an Island out there, I think it's Molokini or something like that. I'm pretty sure that's it. I could be wrong, so don't quote me. But there's this story of uh, um, that Island was used, um for lepers, and they would, they would cast all the lepers in the early, you know, in the early, you know, dawn of the church, and um, and so they would take all the lepers out there.
Speaker 2:And there was one missionary guy who said I'm going, I'm going over there and I'm going to take Christ to the lepers. And so he, he went over there and his family tried to plead with him like, no, don't do, gonna die, you, you will. It's a death sentence. He knew it, he went anyway. So he ran to the sickness, the disease, the peril, the, the danger. He ran to it and, uh, he eventually succumbed and and he and he died.
Speaker 2:And when they came to retrieve his body, uh, the, the natives wouldn't let them take his body, and so they had to force the natives to surrender his body and they said well, at least let us take his hand and bury it here, because it was the only hand that would touch us when everybody else ran from us. So his hand is buried in the island and it was such a you know, that story to me is such a such evidence of of what faith means. It means you run to danger, you run when everybody else runs away from it. It's like soldiers you run into the line of fire, you run into it.
Speaker 1:And I don't think that you can blame faith on that, because I believe it was the. It was the. What they were selling was different, because if you would ask your people of faith to touch people that were sick to get them better, the people in your church would have been there, they would have touched them, they didn't care. But the problem was that they sold it to us that if we go around we're going to get them sick. So now we're doing it to protect them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Well it was. It was so well. The reason it was evil is because, like it separated and weakened the uh, the hope. It took hope away from people. And that's what the church exists to do is to provide hope. Jesus, in you, the hope of glory. That's what it was there to do and it, it, it muffled the church and it and it it made it. They said we couldn't gather. I mean I did anyway, but they said you couldn't gather. I'm not speaking specifically of my particular church.
Speaker 1:I mean we, we still gathered, we but what I'm saying is that they were they. They felt that by doing that they were protecting others. Yeah, they were. They felt they were protecting others. Yeah, they were. They felt they were doing what was and if you were listening to what they were telling you, that is what you were doing. I mean, if you listen to what they were saying, that going around them, you could cause them to be sick. You didn't have the fear for yourself, you had the fear for getting somebody else sick and that you can respect, I mean to some degree.
Speaker 2:I just felt like it was it was. I felt it was manipulative from the beginning.
Speaker 1:I'm like oh, I don't disagree with that it's so wrong.
Speaker 2:Like I'm not, I'm not listening to any of this, I'm just going to keep doing what I'm doing. I had my brother selling gyros over there with his festival booths on the corner. I was ordering food from you as much as I could. You know what I mean. I'm doing what I'm doing. I'm not shutting down, yeah, we never did either.
Speaker 1:We never shut down, but we couldn't have anybody in here. This community was so good to me, guys like you. Sam's Club was good to me, the pipe manufacturing company in Elyria. They would order like Sam's Club and the pipe. I mean they ordered between the two of them over probably $10,000 in food. No way During the shutdown Sam's Club, between Sam's Club and the Pipe.
Speaker 2:Man, you made me go get a Sam's Club membership.
Speaker 1:No, they did, I swear they did. They would order, they would buy it. Do you know the people Like? Why Do they just? Well, I mean I am friends friends with one of the managers, I grew up with him, oh good but I mean he did it. It wasn't just me, they did it to all the small businesses. Yeah, I mean I just happened to be one of them, but I mean they did it for all the small businesses. They would buy their, because for one they were working a lot of hours. So what they were doing is as a, as a as a like token of appreciation to the, to the team members, they were giving them lunch, basically. So we were doing it. I think we were doing like two or three a day. So you would do every shift basically got sandwiches, and they did that for, and I think we did it twice with them and the same thing with the pipe company twice, and they bought the whole factory lunch. That's awesome, yeah. And then you guys ordered from us too at one time. Yeah, I stayed, I stayed. I mean that was huge, I couldn't believe it. And that's the big orders there was plenty of.
Speaker 1:I mean that phone I would literally it was wild. That's awesome. Four o'clock that phone would start ringing and I closed at eight. But from four to eight that phone, if you set it down, it rang. I mean that's how it was I. I set it down at rank. I mean it just that's how it was. I had to just literally take it off the hook because there would be 40 tickets in the back. The cooks can't keep up. Right People were pulling up and walking in going. Hey, I'm trying to call the phones off the hook.
Speaker 2:That's how bad it was.
Speaker 1:They were so good to me, the people in this community oh, that's awesome they were. They were really really good to me. I'll never forget that. That was a great feeling. Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean To just know you're appreciated and like that people were there to help.
Speaker 2:I felt that too. I felt there was a group that I'm like. Oh man, like the best of humanity is on display right now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely you could feel it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was definitely an emotional experience to see like all of that go down. But then you see nasty people too. You know what I mean. Yeah, it happened.
Speaker 1:I had a woman in amherst. I'm in here, she's coming in a mercedes, I'm sure with the best intent, to try and help me out, you know. But she ordered her food and it was taking a while we had about 30 tickets up and uh, she comes in and she says, hey, I ordered my foods like 25 minutes ago or 30 minutes ago or whatever it was I forget what it was and I said, yeah, you're still like 15 minutes away. You know what I mean. We're backed up back there in this and that. And she says something to me about you know, well, your cooks are out back smoking. Well, first of all, they would be entitled to a break, but the person that was out there smoking was off their shift and waiting to be picked up. They didn't have a ride and they were waiting for a car to get picked up, so they were just sitting out there waiting for the ride. They were off work, they'd gotten off work and I said something.
Speaker 1:She got nasty and I just you know what? Here's your money. Bye. Yeah, not as nice and actually I feel bad. I should have been nicer, I should have. But I was so irritated, the gall of like we're busting our ass right now, and not that we don't appreciate everybody, but we are literally busting our ass Like we were like hardcore going at it during the shutdown. I'm sure it was not easy to keep this thing rolling and I was having, the cooks were sneaking drinks, you know, drinking beer and stuff like, like. So it was like, and that happened early on, so then it's like the whole kitchen's in chaos because nobody's like sober, basically. So I had to like put my foot down and really watch them. You know what I mean. And then it just smoothed out after I did that, just take the alcohol way and it was just smooth as pie, believe it or not.
Speaker 2:Nice, yeah, so he'll. Billy elegy, you watch that. I did watch it. Yes, it didn't have freak you out. When you watch that.
Speaker 1:I felt like I was watching a portion of my life my childhood yeah, that's how I felt too I mean, my mom wasn't strung out, and I don't mean to say that, no, no, no, life was like that.
Speaker 2:That's how, yeah, yes, yes, that's exactly how life was yes, I felt like oh my, they really captured that, that moment well, like that, that time frame and that experience was was captured well yeah, that's that I've.
Speaker 1:You know, that's one of those things, like I've always threatened to write a book. You know I what I mean? He just did it. Did you start? No, I never did you should start my family, they would hate me, I know.
Speaker 2:That's hard for me too, because sometimes I'll say things I'm like ah, I didn't get to clean that up all the way you know what I mean. I'll say a portion of something and people will be like, why'd you say that about your mom or something? I'm like no, no, no, you don't understand.
Speaker 1:That's me. My mom used to beat the hell out of me. She would, my mom would. She would beat the hell out of me, but I deserved a lot of it.
Speaker 2:I'm not saying all of them.
Speaker 1:But I did deserve some of it. Some of them I really do deserve you and some of them I messed up, and I think we talked about it on here the one time where I told her she's going to hell or whatever, but I meant like her ways were going to get her in hell, not go to hell.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean. I didn't mean to tell you to go there.
Speaker 1:That was a big ass whooping that day. She's going to whoop that out of you, but I never mean it like she's just like this. I mean I'm who I am because of it and I think I needed that. Like I think I was that person that needed a little extra, like you know, knocking around, but my thing was she was, she was real lenient. You know, I could do whatever I wanted until I got about 11 years old or something.
Speaker 2:I feel like you were just dealt that hand. I was worse than you and you seemed to you got caught more.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I did get caught a lot. Yeah, I got caught in anything I did. I feel like it happens to me all the time, still today. Yeah, Anything I do.
Speaker 1:Like that's just me, Like I should have lived in the detention home, but Jimmy went like oh no, yeah, I mean I don't know what it was, I don't know my mom. Some of the times I got in trouble just because I wasn't hiding it either. You know like my mom would ground me and I'd be like, yeah, see, ya, you know what I mean. I was an asshole, you know what I mean. But when you leave like that, when you come home, it's not going to be pretty, especially with my mom.
Speaker 2:You're playing Right.
Speaker 1:You're just playing a couple hours oh she'll tackle your ass and just, I mean, she'll hurt you. Dude, we were in Pearl Village Apartments one time and I forget what it was. I don't remember what was said to her, but she was throwing shit at me and I'm running trying to get away from her and we're. You know if you've been in Pearl Village Apartments so you remember the window in between.
Speaker 2:I've been in your apartment.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, so you remember the window in between. Sure, so me and my mom are running this circle right, and every time she gets to the kitchen she's throwing a fork, a spoon or something. She's tossing it right at me and I'm freaking out.
Speaker 2:She's going to get me with one of these she's going to stick me with something.
Speaker 1:So I take off down the hall, I get in the bathroom. I hear her go in the bedroom. I come back out. I think I'm getting to the door this time, dude, she throws a liquid makeup at me. Those little hard liquid makeup things.
Speaker 1:Dude, she was no joke. And then she tackled me and just was beating my ass. She was pretty wild, my mom, when it come to that, getting her upper hand, she wasn't going to lose, that's for sure. That's just not who she is. But I mean, and I deserved a lot of it. Like I said, you know I would do stupid shit, I would say dumb shit, but some of them I got and I didn't do anything. You know what I mean yeah.
Speaker 2:So I remember one night I I snuck out of the house all night and I lived over off 36 and uh, just knock out. All night I was gone, I mean literally all night. And I'm on my way home, you know, and I get about a block away and I look, I look at my window, tim, I lived, I, my bedroom was in the basement at the time. I look like, oh cause, I've tried to come home Busted. Oh man, I'm busted. I sneak through the window, slide down into my bed. There's a note on the bed come upstairs. All right, I didn't see that. Got me, man, got me oh man, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, see, I was one of those. I didn't see that. I would have just pretended that note you go to sleep, I don't lay it on top of it, like I didn't see that I was right here the whole night.
Speaker 2:Put it on top of it like I didn't see that I was right here the whole night. Put it on top of you. I've been here. I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah, I mean that was I tell my kids, you're never going to get anything over on me.
Speaker 1:I feel like though that hillbilly elegy. I think that that would be the worst case scenario, like if you were dealing with somebody with substance problems. And I see it. I see people with substance problems.
Speaker 2:I feel for their kids yeah, I, just the grandmother in the story was very, you know, like that was. You know it all was like, oh, I mean, I spent a lot of time my grandma's house, me too, so it was very, yeah, it was very emotional to watch it like ah it was very close to what I remember my childhood being like, other than the fact that my mom definitely was not an alcoholic.
Speaker 1:But my mom had her own history. Like my mom stole, like my mom went to jail one time for shoplifting for like months and I'm like I'm being told she's in the hospital. I'm a little kid, you know. I'm scared of that. She's going to die. She's in the hospital.
Speaker 2:She's been there a long time here she's in jail for shoplifting at Hills.
Speaker 1:Like, are you kidding me? At Hills.
Speaker 2:Couldn't have been much to steal at Hills, you know? Oh, there was tons, are you kidding?
Speaker 1:me Worth much, you know, at the time. Well, you know what? My mom at one time would go down to 28th Street and she'd go into the bars and when she would go into the bars she would walk in with a piece of paper and she'd sit there taking orders. So this guy might want a fur jacket, this one wants a leather jacket. Oh, okay, this one wants jeans, this one wants an umbrella, this one wants, you know, whatever it was. And then she'd just go there and she'd steal whatever it was in need and come back and sell it to him for discounted prices. She would actually do.
Speaker 1:I've seen her do it, I've been with. In fact, I remember as a kid walking out of Hills with a with a peg leg because there was an umbrella stuffed down my snowsuit and I'm one leg in it, out the store with her true story. Wow, that really happened, yeah, but her best friend was like worked at Hills. So there was like a whole conspiracy going on where, like they were saying, you know, oh, so-and-so's not there or it's so-and-so yeah, you're clear. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So they was definitely.
Speaker 2:I had a bunch of friends back in the day. We know some of them. They worked at Sun TV like that we know them right.
Speaker 1:We know these people right. Yeah, well, you mentioned that to me before and it makes me mad, because I've been in there and bought from those same people and they never gave you the hookup. Yeah, it was never a hookup. What's that about, goodness?
Speaker 2:I had to pay for my shit man, my shit man they. I'm pretty sure sun tv went out of business because of the crowd over here in deliria. Yeah, I love that store though. That was a cool little TV. That was like the beginning of like the whole best buy, you know for the best buy, came in and wiped all that out.
Speaker 2:Yeah but that was the beginnings of it, you know, and they all worked there and I remember them like I'd go to their houses, you know, and in their houses would be like every technology yeah, every, every piece of tech known to mankind and the best of the best Just selling stuff out the back door, harming Cardon. Yeah, I mean I bought stereos from my, my Suzuki Samurai back then. You know stereo.
Speaker 1:I forgot about that, samurai. I forgot about that thing, yeah that's funny.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that thing. I drove that thing till the gears went out that was a.
Speaker 1:My mom had a tracker. She totaled it. Yeah, like that thing did not handle an accident very well.
Speaker 2:No, I bet no, but then I went and I looked online like, oh man what, I'm gonna see what one of these run for. Now I'm going to go buy one and just treat it like a go-kart. These things are expensive right now.
Speaker 1:More than a sidekick. Yeah, really.
Speaker 2:Suzuki Samurai is like crazy money. I looked at my exact Suzuki Samurai. It's insane the amount of money they wanted for it. I was like man, wow, I should have kept that suzuki samurai and sold it on the market today.
Speaker 1:You know that's, that's. Uh, we were mike injury came here to bartend for us. He did our celebrity bartender one, and I don't know if you know injury or not. I grew up with them, he's. He lived right across from saint lads down here, okay, and uh, he worked at subway with. So, anyways, he shows up and he's got a fiero gt. He's like dude.
Speaker 1:He was taking it to car shows and everything like he loves it. He loves that thing and it's like I get it. When they came out we were like them are badass they were amazing car. Yeah, get in it I would not show up at a car show with it today. No, I wouldn't do it, trash it.
Speaker 2:Trash.
Speaker 1:But they're big money. The Fierros are now, so who made the Fiero? It was a Pontiac, pontiac. Yep, that was a Pontiac item. Yeah, everybody was about those. When they came out, they were the coolest looking thing I had ever seen. You know what I mean? They were yeah.
Speaker 2:But I was, and you got bugs over there too. What's going?
Speaker 1:on, I got yeah, I got a fruit fly. It's driving me nuts.
Speaker 2:I got them in my house right now. Yeah, they're everywhere.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, we had them too. I did. My wife put the. He just bought those apples. You ever tried those yet? No, it's like a apple when you put the water in and the late summer flies.
Speaker 2:Next year I'm buying one of those big neon bug zappers that you hang in the backyard. I'm buying one and hanging it in my house. I'm tired of flies. They sell ones for the house, and I'll just go sit there and listen.
Speaker 1:If you look downstairs by my salad bar, we have one that mounts in the house and it's a blue light and there's sticky tape on it. Yeah, no, no, I want to see them fry.
Speaker 2:You want to see them fry? Yeah, I want to see the spark.
Speaker 1:You're not going to be a monk anytime soon.
Speaker 2:Huh, no, no no, zapped them, I still got war in me, man, I don't know. I got to pray to God every day, not that I could never be a monk.
Speaker 1:No, I could never be a monk. No, you got a friend that's a monk, right?
Speaker 1:well, he, he's a harry kershner, I don't know. Hey, I don't know how far harry kershner, harry kershner, I think I'm not familiar with it, but yeah, I'm not sure either. 100, I mean, I read about it but it's all about like a dalai lama type stuff. You know what I mean? Yeah, and I I really don't know a whole bunch about it. I'm reading his book right now and I'm supposed to have him on the show, but yeah, he's an interesting guy. You know his opening of his book it's really cool. His first story is how he got into, like when he wanted to be a frontman. He's a frontman for Spud Monsters, so a frontman is the singer, like the guy, singer like the guy, like the face of the band. You know, I mean yeah, yeah, well, who doesn't?
Speaker 2:want to be that guy. I mean, if you're going to do it, don't you want to be that guy?
Speaker 1:yeah, maybe I don't know. I mean, I don't know if that's true. I don't know. Some people do, some people don't. Some people like to be that second in command.
Speaker 2:They like that but I think that's the sweetest position in any organization. The second man, second fiddle yeah, it usually is. You learn to play second fiddle. I mean it sucks to be the second fiddle because you don't get any of the first fiddle attention. But second fiddle is that's when you have the liberty to kind of be creative, take, take more risk. You know you don't have to have all the answers.
Speaker 2:You don't have to worry about the bills. That's it, man. You don't have to worry about. You don't have to worry about payroll. If your second fiddle that's true, he's just, I had doing it, you know and it's true.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if he learned I can do it again. I would be a better second than I'm. Like I'd be a better second to the first. Like I feel like I I didn't take advantage of that season and you can learn so much in the second seat once you get in the first seat, like it's consuming and it's like joe biden you could run the whole country and not even have your face out there.
Speaker 1:Right? You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Well then, I mean, that's the place of a first position is to, is to become to lead from really is is to put people in front of you that that are better than you If you do it right. If you do it wrong, you're just a, you're just a shine hog and you just want all the attention and you're you got main character, addiction and but you're doing damage to the organization if you're the main character, if you've got that thing in you that wants all the attention.
Speaker 1:Yeah right right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that thing's sick, but I just feel like, knowing what I know now, I'd go back and be a better. I'd be a better two longer and take way more risk.
Speaker 1:See, I think that people have the most success when it's something that they love, that they've loved forever.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean it takes that I feel like you definitely have to have. You have to be a number two in an area. That is just that gets you going.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's got to be something. If it's something you love. I think that's where true success really comes from. When people it's like the old saying if you love something, you love. I think that's where true success really comes from. When people it's like the old saying if you, if you love what you do, you'll never work a day.
Speaker 1:It's true. I mean it is true. But there's so many people in music is one of them, radio is one of them. I mean there's people that that's like like Howard Stern, they were listening to it or something, and something went off and he could hear what was kind of going on behind the scenes and he remembers thinking that's more interesting than the show. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, the stuff in the background, the stuff that's going on, like he goes, why would you edit that out? That's the best part. You know what I mean? I agree with that. Yeah, that, yeah, yeah. So I mean, and so it was early on, is what I'm saying? Is he learned that that, that that he had an obsession with loving that, and rover was the same way too.
Speaker 2:He lost his way though a lot of. I mean that's where you lose it, because you learn you lose the art of telling the story like that's when it becomes not interesting and and he's just not an interesting character oh, I just talked about that on the podcast, like about two months ago.
Speaker 1:I said he's nobody. He screwed himself when he went to that satellite because nobody talks about him. No more, no, he's, yeah. Well, you remember what it was like when we first got like out of high school, like every job you were on that's, people talked about stern all day long. Yeah, you don't hear about him, or he's nothing more than a social media blurb anymore yeah, yeah, and not even very.
Speaker 2:He's not even interesting anymore.
Speaker 1:No, no, he's not. No, he's not a shock jock anymore.
Speaker 2:He's not I mean you got to be pretty radical to be a shock jock today. What the heck.
Speaker 1:Well, he was pretty out there in his day. I mean he had that like because he had like was trying to get what's name to show his penis on the show and stuff. What was the Bobbitt Remember, when he was trying to get him to show what it looked like on a show? That's crazy. Yeah, I mean he was pretty out there it was pretty.
Speaker 1:It was pretty bizarre, but I never seen him as as the same after he went to satellite. I think that that ruined. Yeah Well, he sold out. Yeah, he felt like he sold out. He took a lot of money for a smaller audience, so that doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2:Maybe he thought that he was going to bring influence there and maybe pull everybody into that Well, they keep signing them.
Speaker 1:So he must be pulling some people. But like, literally, I got satellite, the last few vehicles I got, like when I got them, but I don't use it, I don't listen to it, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2:I just I don't know I mean I do, but, but I listened to like Billy Graham and Joel Osteen.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I do all that. But I do all that through here. I mean, I do all that through.
Speaker 2:I don't do it through satellite.
Speaker 1:I do it through um podcast or or YouTube or you know things like that is how I listen to all that. I don't. I never go on satellite for anything.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I just keep it because I, when I travel, I want to go instantaneous.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Just go around, just just. You know I'm not have to.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's the best part. Let it go quiet.
Speaker 2:That'd be nice, well, well.
Speaker 1:I'm good about that. I've always, for years, I've driven with the music off, everything off. No, you don't. I like the head, I like to be in my head. Yeah, I've done that. I mean, there's times where I don't Definitely on the bike I'm jamming, but I mean, yeah, in a truck it's pretty common to be quiet. Really, I like it. Yeah, nice, yeah, that's interesting. I like that. I like the silence, I like that. That's like why morning's my favorite when nobody's awake. The whole world's quiet. That's your monk man. I love it. I love it. It's the best. You're Hare Krishna? Yeah, I could be, it's possible.
Speaker 2:But do you? When you're silent? Is there still a narrator in your head? What do you mean? Do you hear a voice talking to you non-stop? In your head like not not, not like demonic, I mean just mean like work things out. Is there a you inside of you talking to you?
Speaker 1:oh, absolutely, okay, that's what I do when I'm quiet, right, right, yeah, that's why I learned the other day, like not everybody does that.
Speaker 2:oh really, yeah, yeah, yeah. So they call it. I forget what they called it, and there's a certain percentage of Well, I learned the other day like not everybody does that. Oh really, yeah, yeah, yeah. So they call it. I forget what they called it, and there's a certain percentage of the population that they don't have that in their head. It's just silent. I feel like you get perspective, bro mine never turns off.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's when you need. Your perspective is like in fact, I have to. That's why I sleep with a tv at night, because I need something to get my attention, because if I went quiet I would just be sitting there, thinking you'd just be sitting there making tv. Yeah, I would. Yeah, I would never. So I have to put something on that.
Speaker 2:I'm not interested, like right I'm interested in, but I'm not interested, something I've seen a million times I do the same thing as king of queens or seinfeld yeah, I used to do seinfeldeld at one time.
Speaker 1:I was big on Criminal Minds. I love Criminal Minds. That would make me think too much. That puts me to sleep. Well, no, because they're all episodes I've seen, okay. So I mean I can just kind of pay attention to it and fall out. If I put Criminal Minds on the television and I'm halfway laid down, my wife will say good night. She will, she knows it. But I'm like a heroin addict when I go horizontal. That's it, I'm done. I'm like I could not off. I swear to God, it takes seconds. She gets mad. We'll go upstairs. I can't do that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't, I don't sleep like that.
Speaker 1:We'll go upstairs and literally I'll lay down in bed and she'll go to the bathroom and come back out of the bathroom. I'm out for tonight. I'm done.
Speaker 2:I got up to go to the restroom last night I came back to bed, man, I was up for three hours just thinking no, that's not me. Once I go out.
Speaker 1:I sleep good for like five, six hours and that's it. Five or six, it's about the most I'll sleep. But yeah, but one. I mean, but that five or six, that's quick I go. I don't have no hesitation sleep, and I sleep good at night. Yeah, you know you can write a book. Am I gonna write a book? Yeah, I'm not. Uh, I wrote one book in my whole life. You wrote one. Yeah, I did. Yeah, it was a safety manual for genesis interiors. No, it was an employee handbook for genesis?
Speaker 2:no, there was no philosophical.
Speaker 1:It was my childish pettiness coming out of me Really.
Speaker 1:Yeah, somebody collected unemployment on me and they came to work and they called. They were only there like maybe six weeks. They missed all the time constantly and I let them go. I go, that's it. It's bullshit. You know you don't show up for work. They file for unemployment. I deny it. Unemployment comes back at me and they tell me that. Do I have proof that? I told them they had to be to work five days a week. What are you talking about? It's a full-time job. They have to be to work five. Okay, but did you document it? We're going to need documentation to prove that and I'm like you gotta be kidding me. So I start looking into it. Like I cause, I lose, I have to pay this guy unemployment that worked for me for six weeks and never half the time didn't come to work.
Speaker 2:So did you get a chance to just say all right, come to work then?
Speaker 1:I did. Yeah, I did after I got my handbook. But, um, yeah, I got, I I wrote a whole handbook, had them printed and then I used to hand them off and make people sign them a sign that they read it before they could work.
Speaker 1:Oh, so you made your own handbook, yeah, Cause there was no generic ones that were like really covering everything that I wanted, basically because there's, we were unique in the way we did things. I mean there's a, and then, once you start thinking while you go, there's a lot of things I should bring up, because I had to fire one guy for shooting a hilti one time at a. You know a track fast pulls a trigger back and he's shooting at the guy yeah, I've done that and then when I call him yeah, but to somebody you're mad at, oh, oh, no, just a joke.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just messing around with people, but I was just like at you to play with you. Yeah, we've done.
Speaker 1:I didn't want to stick a nail in your head or anything. Mark Jacoby actually did it and hit the and shattered a window. It was funny, dude. We were at a shopping center Southland Shopping Center and it freaking goes behind his woman and the whole glass.
Speaker 2:Just a whole shot. But like it was, it was bad. I don't know what happened.
Speaker 1:Yeah, in a ricochet, I don't know man, yeah, but I had a guy throwing a fit like that and I fire him. I go, I gotta fire you, dude. I go and he's like, come on, man, jimmy, I'm not a guy that would do something like that. It's like you did it, I know, but you know, that's not what it's like, dude, this is what you did. We're not talking hypothetical. You did this, you know, and it's not what I. It's like, dude, this is what you did. We're not talking hypothetical. You did this, you know, and it's so I. There's always a lot of things I decided to add in there and make sure they were covered. Interesting.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I didn't consider those books I've written, but I have done those too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's about the closest I'm coming up with. Probably writing a book I might. Hey, who knows knows. I've thought about what, what I would write a book about. What would I write a book about? Um, boy I. I don't know the answer to that. I think if I wrote a book, I guess it would have to be something in regards of being a boy to a man. It would have to be like my biggest, like. I would think that's what I can think of, like as a kid, being the boy of manhood and like what that meant to me and as I learned it, you know what I mean. Things that like different things along the way that made you realize that you know this is what being a man is basically different people that taught you that.
Speaker 1:You've seen it, or you know that that, to me, is what's missing in that. You've seen it. Or you know that to me, is what's missing in a lot of communities and you know, especially in a, in a lower income communities, where you know they, they tend to blame people, that they want to keep them down, that they want to keep low income people like low income people. It's not. It's not the case. The system isn't stacked against those people. If they put in the work, it's there. You just got to put in the work. You have to. I'm sorry, but you do, you do? They have a feeling that nobody's working for that's their belief. I think that it's just being handed to them. There's nobody out there. Even if they're born rich, you still have to. You have to. You gotta go get it. Yeah, you absolutely have to put in the work. You have to do. I mean even the people that were born with money put in the work. Trump put in the work to get where he is today. Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:So I'm not saying he didn't get a good health headstart. Sure, he did. But there's lots of people out there that didn't get. Like my buddy, keith that owns Marsh Heavy Equipment and he owns a company in New Mexico that does. I forget what it's called. It's Trust Fund Investments. I mean he didn't start with nothing. I mean his dad was a Ford worker. I mean that's not a big start in life. He went out there and earned it and made it. You know what I mean. But you work hard. That's the thing. Anybody who's successful.
Speaker 1:They'll tell you about those, and even you hear it in Elon Musk's story about how he slept in the office all the time. And you see what's a Jeff Bezos story where he's got the door that he uses as a desk. That's over sawhorses. Have you ever seen that? You've never seen that. So yeah, jeff Bezos, that's interesting and I believe he uses it to this day. I believe that's his desk right now. He took that that was. He took a door and he put it on two saw horses and that's where he started and then you know that's that's. He kind of sticks with it.
Speaker 2:That makes me like that guy a little bit.
Speaker 1:I mean yeah, I kind of sticks with. That makes me like that guy a little bit. I mean yeah, I mean he's not evil. I can't, I can't, uh, I can't fault jeff bezos for his success his success, you can't and dominating a market, but it's but yeah, but his ideas like but he's too far, he's too far, someone's got to get control of that. They got control of rockefellers with with oil. Why would they let him you can't let him monopolize that. He has, he's done it. He's taken it from shipping to, I mean, it's got everything now. I mean the airplanes, the shipping, the manufacturing. I mean I ordered a pair of jeans and they didn't have them, so they sent me a pair of Amazon jeans. Right, that's crazy Amazon jeans I didn't order Amazon jeans.
Speaker 1:That's crazy. Amazon jeans, I didn't order Amazon jeans, that's not what I ordered, right. But they came in they just said Amazon, amazon label and everything on them. Yeah, I couldn't believe it. I'm like this is crazy, you know? Yeah, what do you think? The? What do you?
Speaker 2:think the biggest, like, like if you were to tell somebody, you go back and tell yourself, right as a kid, like what's the biggest thing to pay attention to that's going to get you out of this? I think about that all the time. Like if I could go back in time and go talk to 14 year old Troy and be like Troy look I'm, I come from the future and I'm telling you, if you just do these things, then then you're you're 95% likely to get out of this cycle that you, that you see and that you resent so much. Like just the poverty cycle. You know, Cause I remember growing up thinking like, looking at other people and thinking like how do I get, how do I, how do I get out of here?
Speaker 2:Like I don't want to be, I don't, I know there's a difference and I want out Like I want. I want to make it to the other side, I want to make it to Washington Avenue. You know what I mean. Like how do I get over to Washington Avenue where all the you know, all those people live the Washington?
Speaker 2:you know, the refrigerator's full, the electric bills paid, the the phone never turns off, like the clothes smell like downy, like how do I get over there where the chips don't stop? You know, I mean the bulls.
Speaker 1:I really don't know the answer, like I, because the one thing I think that I've found to be true in in life as a total, and the reason that I'm kind of look distracted is I know what you're doing. I'm putting up a picture of Bezos desk so it'll be in there for the viewers to see. You can't see it. I need to get that adjusted so I could put that there, so you could see it right now. You see another guy in here with us.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that would be great. I actually have an appointment with a guy.
Speaker 1:I have an appointment with a guy, um, and his name's ed timecco, and he does foosie's videos. Actually he does his music videos. It's really good. He did a music video his the band he's in. Now his band members are all in france so they make their music. He records the lyrics, puts it in. This guy records a video. He has them record their foosie records here. They put the video together. You think they're in the same city. It looks like it. It's wild, it's it's good. He's really good at what he does.
Speaker 1:But anyways, my whole thing is is that I feel that the the one thing that I've seen in, in, in because you talk about poverty cycle and things like that that hits you different, I think, than it does me. I don't really worry that much about that. I think happiness is where it's at. I I think you're. When I look back, I don't look back and think I didn't have, or or somebody else had this. I knew I was broken. I knew I was poorer than most. I knew that I did want to.
Speaker 1:I wanted my mom to own her own house. I didn't want her to like have to rent in an apartment. I always thought that was shitty, things like that. But I didn't have that whole thing. But as I, as I was 19, 20 and I, I was driven, I wanted, I wanted a nice house, I wanted a nice car, I wanted, I wanted. Where did the drive come from, do you think? Um, I just wanted it. I don't know why I don't. I mean, I guess because I always thought my mom should have had it, but I never thought about, like, the downy smell and and, uh, like I never thought about our food. Our food was fine. I like my mom could cook some shit. I mean my mom could go in a mother Hubbard's cupboard and pull out something and have everybody eating good. I mean, she's just, she's like that You'll be in the house starving, like there's no food. She'll come out with this gourmet meal and you'll be like, where'd this come from?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean it's a big topic in in society today. It's like you know, um, you know the equity equality conversation. You know, like equality versus equity, you know we all need to be the same and we're, you know. Equality means. You know. Equality means you know you get the opportunity. Everyone has equal opportunity. But you know the equity here says let's take from what you got and make sure we all got some. You know.
Speaker 1:No, no, that's no good, but that's a conversation. The thing is, I guess where I was leading to with my conversation is that I grew up like I had people making the same money as I did and I watched different people that made the same money and some would have this, some would have that. You know, people choose to spend, or some like to have extra money in their pocket and enjoy life just how it is with a smaller house, and that's fine too.
Speaker 2:There's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 1:For sure you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Other people like going to work every day and never having to deal with worrying about a paycheck or payroll or anything like, just want to go to work and come home and cut their grass and that's. That's okay too. And some of them end up in way better shape than the guy that's out there hustling and trying to get ahead or be the boss. You know what I mean and I've seen all of them end up in different situations and everybody's stressed out in the moment when they're dealing with it. And I I think that's my biggest thing is I just want to, I just want to take away stress. So I don't think I would ever step into stress for any reason. I don't think that. I think that that's what I would do. I think I think I would be more apt to my original plan when I was. I was, I thought I'll start a construction company after I retire from the carpentry, which originally would have been 48. That was my original plan. I thought, well, I will start one, but let me get my pension first, kind of like my uncle Dale at 40. He's got his pension Now. He does whatever he does and I just figure work until then. But you know, then I got the opportunity, I did it and I you know what I mean, and I you know what I mean, and I'm glad I did, cause now I couldn't retire till I'm 65. So I wouldn't have wanted to start a company at that point, but there was no right or wrong answer.
Speaker 1:The point is is that that that just walking away from stress at any given time, I think is the best way to live life? I think. I think you'll live longer, I think. Uh, I think that, yeah, I think that's what I think. Just stress, like, just walk away from stress. Like look at a car payment and if it's going to be too much, don't do it. You know what I'm saying. Like, if a car payment's going to be more than you're willing to pay, or that you're going to be comfortable, if you know it's going to cause you stress, don't get that car. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Or if, or if, if you know you want to eat steak but you can only afford beans and potatoes beans and potatoes can be good. Learn how to cook them. You know what I'm saying, and it's you'll enjoy life better than you will enjoying a steak. For sure, you know what I mean. You will. I mean, if you, if you're not stressed, life is good. Happiness is that. That's to me, is the key, and and I wish I had more time right now with Dylan and Amanda, and even Alexa and the grandbaby that's what I want. I'm at the point where I don't want to be working 24-7. I want my time with my grandbabies. I want time with Dylan. I want time with like I'm not coaching his football or anything like that. I probably should go do that. I should be, I would like to be, but I'm not because I'm too busy.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean, so I think that's what I would give myself, because there's no right answer at the end of the day, yeah, if I was there so much, I would go back and tell myself, you know, I'd go back and tell myself that there's going to be seasons in your life that you're not going to have anything and that your focus shouldn't be those things, that it should be all right, let's raise these kids and stop worrying about what you don't have. Like, like you said, like live, live, live smaller, but commit all of your. That's where I feel like I would go back and tell myself I would go back and at 14 i'd'd tell myself, hey, there's going to be like a 10 to 15 year window in your life where life is going to suck and you're not going to have a whole lot. And if I could tell teens today that, like, getting ready to go into their twenties and they're going to get married and then they're going to feel the pressure, the pressure of the matrix, to try to keep up with the everything you know the everything of of Costco, you know the stuff marts of the world, and I would say, just be, just focus, just know like, just settle, going into having children and being married, that you know. Like you're just not going to drive the, the new car You're not going to. You know, have all of the the things and your attention in this window of your life should be raising your children, and raising and keeping. Don't let the world indoctrinate them because you're so busy trying to pursue the next thing. And that's what I think.
Speaker 2:The world went wrong a lot, a lot, especially from our generation forward. They, we, we, we went and we, we just like all right, like let's we, we all need to work. Let's go to work so we can get a bigger house, a better car and we can provide for our children better, right, and so we did. And then we didn't realize it. But we inadvertently sent our kids to be indoctrinated by, by Rome. Uh, uh, uh. Body Bachman says that don't be surprised when you send your kids to Rome and they come home Roman soldiers, you know. And we send them to school systems for the government and we send them away and then they're with those people for all that time while we go out and make a better life for them. We wonder why they think and they believe so much differently than us. It's because our value systems were the world. We wanted to get bigger and better and we laid our kids on the altar of bigger and better, thinking that we were making something for them.
Speaker 1:I believe that it's true that that 16 to 28 has always thought different than their parents. Oh for sure. Yeah, I mean I'm not saying that I agree, you know what I mean. Maybe now, maybe it feels more extreme than ever, possibly, but I don't know, I don't know. I mean, I think it's always been that way, I think that that's always the case. I think that you always kind of feel like you know more.
Speaker 2:I mean yes.
Speaker 1:I want to revise my answer. I think I have the answer. Actually. The answer is I would tell my 14 year old self appreciate what you have when you have it. Yeah, I think that's what I would do. I think that's it and I and I can't even call that my own, I just know that as we were sitting here talking about it, you're telling the story and I'm thinking back and I'm. I remember my ex wife yelling at me, screaming at me. Why can't you ever fucking appreciate everything when you got it, when I was driven and trying to get more, isn't that a bitch? I just heard it in my head. Oh, it's just like. But as much as you don't want her to be right, she's right, she's 100, she's 100. Yeah, that was what.
Speaker 2:that's what I would tell my 14 year old self yes, appreciate what you have when you got it. Yeah, I regret paying child support like not paying it.
Speaker 1:But like no, you said what you said. Well, I mean, I'm trying I'm gonna come out of you on that video clip I regret Show it to your kids too.
Speaker 2:But I regret, instead of like, instead of paying child support, I should have just, I should have just gave child support, I should have just been there. But instead I'm like I gotta, I gotta go, I gotta work all this overtime, I gotta go hustle this out. I gotta go do all. Gotta work all this overtime. I gotta go hustle this out, I gotta go do all those things. So, yeah, I think I would tell myself that and I would tell myself, um, you know, um, work out what you'll say no to before you're tempted. Tell you, you know, like, really predetermine your principles before your principles are tested.
Speaker 1:It wouldn't work, though it doesn't work.
Speaker 2:That's a good thought. The younger you determine, like you, yeah, it would work. It would work, no way.
Speaker 1:No way. Why not? Because I know like my principles are solid. There's times when that shit goes out the window, when you're just having a good time.
Speaker 2:How much more would it go out the window if you didn't already predetermine what you'd say no to. Okay, fair enough. I mean you would be off the rails in another dimension, dude. It'd be crazy. I had no principles as a young person. I remember, just like I believe whatever anybody said, I'd be like, oh yeah, if that's what you say, yeah, let's do that. I believe whatever anybody said. I'd be like, oh yeah, if that's what you say, yeah, let's do that. You know, and you just kind of become a chameleon to the world and you lose your distinctness, you know of why you're here, and so earlier you figure that out, the better. I would just go tell myself, like, Troy, just make a list of the things that you know, you find you don't ever want to do. And you, you know and a lot of that comes from your experience Like, okay, my dad did this, I'm not going to do that. My family did that, I'm not going to do that. I mean, all of us, we're all, we all write the ship.
Speaker 2:You know, we all we're all making adjustments as we go, but I think that the clearer you can become on that at any age, the more effective you become. You zero in on the target, Aim small, miss small, but if you just shoot I'm just going to run in that direction then you could be off course by two degrees and just end up in albatross.
Speaker 1:You could end up in a really bad place, but the devil knows how to send you things that will really change it up. Oh, man you can be as strong as you want to be and think you know everything, but he knows how to send you something that that, that'll, that'll trick you up.
Speaker 2:That's definitely where my faith came in. That's what. That's what gave me such laser focus Like and and like courage, like faith is what did it. I was very not courageous, I was very fearful, until I met Jesus.
Speaker 1:And then suddenly like oh, and I shook hands with with death and was like, yeah, forget it, I died back, let's go yeah. You told me that last time you became Joe versus the volcano oh yeah, that's true, that's wild, well, but I mean that that's. I mean, that's true, that's wild Well. But I mean that's I mean. So we're only two weeks away From what this election.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, two weeks away. For what? For what?
Speaker 1:What are?
Speaker 2:we doing the end of the world Maybe Are you 51 today 51, dude.
Speaker 1:Yeah, me too, I'm 51. 51. Today, right Today, right now 51 years old Oof Oof.
Speaker 2:Who would have thought that? Well past the halfway mark statistically speaking.
Speaker 1:So do you think that maybe the reason you're like, or more like, joe versus a volcano is because you're so damn old that, oh, I feel the?
Speaker 2:wall. I feel the wall. It's coming regardless.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I feel the wall.
Speaker 2:I mean, and I feel like the closer I get to the wall, the faster I seem to be going towards it. You know, the immortality is leaving me, you know, yeah.
Speaker 1:You remember them telling us when we were kids, like how time flies and you didn't think much of it. Now, here we are, 51, and it seems like it's going faster and faster. I feel like we're in that Days blister by Is it, what was it? Was it? Is it Willy Wonka's where he's like going? And then it keeps going faster and faster. That's how it seems like time goes that fast. It keeps getting faster and faster the.
Speaker 1:Bible speaks of that. It does Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Yeah, is it because your memory is so bad that you don't remember half the shit? That just happened, so you only have like. So it seems shorter.
Speaker 2:It's what I think I think it's what I just made reference to. It's the end. The end is so close and as you hurled towards it, you feel the speed of of which you're traveling towards this stationary conclusion, like it's. It's out there and we're all running towards it and we're getting so close to it that before we were so far away from it, it didn't seem like we were moving that fast.
Speaker 1:See, I think it's because because we're so old that we only remember about half of yesterday, so it just seems shorter. Yeah, but it happened, we just don't remember it.
Speaker 2:No, I sound, my thinker is pretty good. I mean my, my thoughts have become way more clear and I and I've learned to do just less and, but do it better. Do less, but do it better yeah, that's always each year is just more about like, all right, what am I not gonna do as opposed to what I'm gonna do? And how do I become, how do I become a better investment with my life and my children and my grandchildren? At this point, what am I leaving?
Speaker 1:oh yeah, you just added a member of the family too. Huh yeah, I forgot about that last week. That's why we didn't do a podcast last week, because you were you were inducting a member, huh.
Speaker 2:Yeah, my daughter got married and that was so crazy man. I was so emotional the whole day. I cried all day. Yeah, yeah, so weird. I wept, did you cry?
Speaker 1:at your own wedding.
Speaker 2:I don't remember.
Speaker 1:It's pretty wild to think you could cry at hers and not yours, oh hers was.
Speaker 2:Oh, I woke up in tears. All I saw was a little six-year-old girl. I got a picture on my phone of it, like just holding on to me. You know, that's all I saw all day was her. I'm like, I'll walk you down this aisle. I told her. I said I'll walk you down this aisle and I'll give you away. Never let go.
Speaker 2:The boys are fine, they're going to make it in this life, but, baby, you can come home whenever you want. You know what I mean. And the guy she married is just, absolutely just rock solid. And how old is she? 20. 20?, 20. Yeah, young, buck, 20 years old.
Speaker 2:That's what makes me think that, um, they, the 16 to 26 year old theory is not necessarily accurate, because what I put in her was was more, um, it had more gravitas than what I put in my. You know my first children, you know, when they were born, tristan, he was a crash dummy because I, 17 years old, you know. But as as I, you know my first children, you know, when they were born, tristan, he was a crash dummy because I was 17 years old, you know. But, as as I, you know, as she came into the world, I was more established, I understood what I was going to put into her and make you know what I was going to, the values that I was going to instill in her, and that I wasn't going to share her with you know, with the government or the school systems, or that I was going to intentionally put these values into her. And now I see her. She wanted to get married, she wants to raise chickens and goats and do you have a?
Speaker 1:school at your church, any of your churches.
Speaker 2:No, I'd like to start one, if anybody's interested. I'd love to have a school at your church, any of your churches. No, I'd like to start one, if anybody's interested. I'd love to start a school and I have four locations of which we can do it. I just don't have the time to do it and I keep asking people that that I come across like hey, let's start a school, let's start a school, let's start a school christian school.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it would be great christian education. Yeah, I mean they that they're, that's all and you can. I think that I believe they'll, they'll, they'll give you grant money, like people can get you know, be able to go to school for free as long as it's a good, you know school, good enough school that's the stuff I I just like I don't know and I don't have the time to go do it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm busy, what about?
Speaker 1:what about the christian medical? Do you know anything about that? Wife just brought that up what do you? Mean, I don't know, I don't have to ask medical, yeah she said somebody's got medical insurance, that's christian medical insurance oh, I have seen those.
Speaker 2:Um, we had that for a while, it's no good it was no. I don't know if they've changed it, because I, I came in and and I changed it because I, I, you know our staff, they were having children and I'm like they weren't covered and something got to happen, yeah, no, yeah, you got to gotta have so I I just went to a local theft office of a theft they're just thieves man 1200 a month I pay liberty mutuals ripping me off right now.
Speaker 2:we pay 2200 a month for them to cover us as a, as a church, at all of our locations, never made a claim. Now we made a claim because a tornado ran through the building and not wiped out our gazebo, wiped out our, our sign we don't even have a sign and, uh, they took fourteen thousand dollars from us right away, issued a check a check for $1,800. I can't even get somebody's equipment on my site for $1,800. I couldn't even get you to drive your pickup truck to Wycliffe to look and then they're fighting me tooth and nail. So I got to get an attorney and if you have Liberty Mutual you should just get rid of them. They're thieves.
Speaker 1:I actually have Liberty Mutual too for my construction business.
Speaker 2:They're just thieves, man, they're thieves.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's horrible and I'm coming at them.
Speaker 2:I'm coming for them.
Speaker 1:See, they canceled my insurance here because of the podcast. Really, yeah, the podcast. They canceled my insurance, elon Musk help us. So I had to get another insurance company. Really, yes, because of the First Amendment. Yes, so this company comes in here, which, by the way, I mean, I am Madhouse Bar Talk, but it's not affiliated with Madhouse Bar and Grill. Guido has nothing to do with Madhouse Bar and Grill, but anyway, it doesn't matter whichever. So because of the podcast, they made me get new insurance.
Speaker 1:So the guy comes in yesterday to do my inspection of the place, you know where. He comes in and looks over, takes pictures of everything and all that stuff, dude, they sent I I'm just guessing, but I think they went to downtown cleveland, the city, and just grabbed a guy and gave him a phone to take pictures with. Dude, this was the grimiest, dirtiest guy I have ever seen in my whole existence. I mean, this guy was so grimy and dirt Like I mean I've never seen he looked homeless Like. He literally looked homeless.
Speaker 1:His pants were black and dingy. His jacket and coat were black and dingy. I mean his hair was greasy and unkempt. I mean it and I'm not against anybody if that's, but when you come in a professional capacity, yeah, so now I'm wondering the same thing. Like you just said, what's the odds, if I bring this guy in, that they pay any claim? They clearly can't pay this guy. His car was held together by duct tape outside in the parking lot. Like, clearly they're not going to pay this guy. What's the odds they're going to pay my claims. It's a criminal organization and they force you to have it.
Speaker 2:That's the odds they're going to pay my claims. It's a criminal organization man.
Speaker 1:And they force you to have it. That's the problem. That's where it's got to get.
Speaker 2:So, if you're going to force me to have it, then you've got to force them to pay the claims. Sure, absolutely, you know, like, if you're making me cover these buildings and my buildings, all of them are paid for except for one, right so? And the one that got hit by the tornado, it's paid for, Like it's free and clear, Right? So for you not to cover that for, like, really, we're not talking much here. We're talking probably 50, 60,000 in damage. You know, I got a gazebo, that was a huge gazebo, electric ran to it, it was nice. It's probably 25, 30, you know, to put it back up the way it was, uh, for the sign, that's another five to 7,000.
Speaker 2:And the roof, the roof repair. I mean that that might be a lot, but even if it's a hundred thousand, it's, it's less than a 1.5 million. Let's go, Come on, and the building's worth more than that, and it's just for you not to do. It is, and, and I'm I, what I feel angered by is like I can't, okay, so you're doing that to me, you know, and I have the means to go get an attorney, I can go, I can fight you, but what about the? What about the? The? The mom, the dad that you know, just going to work making ends meet. They can't, they can't afford to fight you. You tell them no, it's just no, it's just over. And then you cancel them. And then they got to go get a new insurance policy. And then it gets jacked up again and they're robbed even more. They're paying too much in taxes. Now you're making it mandatory. They have insurance and you're robbing them there.
Speaker 1:And now your interest rates are higher. And now your interest rates are higher. And now your interest rates are higher. Yeah, it's insane, and there's no money left for anybody else to do anything.
Speaker 2:And here we are with an election two weeks away. You don't feel that America, you don't feel that Like, come on, they're going to feel it my goodness, I don't think that there's I.
Speaker 1:I maybe I'm crazy, but I don't think there's a chance.
Speaker 2:trump don't win oh, he's, he's, he's gonna, and they're even trying to. They're trying to make it appears if it's close, but there ain't. No, I don't think so dude.
Speaker 1:It seems like every like I wouldn't be anybody's got a job. It's like, no, everybody paying taxes, like no way. Yeah, I mean, how can you run on like you want to pay for fucking? You want to give everybody welfare. You want to give but you're not taking care of your own citizens. But you want to give all this money to people that just randomly come in and that's what I would say to like that demographic, that where they're promising all these things.
Speaker 2:Do you think they're going to take care of you? They don't even look what they're doing to you right now.
Speaker 1:No, they are writing those checks right now to illegal. That's happening To illegal immigrants yes, yeah, yeah but not to your own citizens who are? I told my mom with her pension. I said what you should do is just come across the border and pretend you're illegal.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you'll get more than you're going to get from your Social Security. Yeah, whatever.
Speaker 1:You're going to get more. That way, you'll get a lot more.
Speaker 2:I saw comments and people coming at you a couple weeks ago are like this is totally debunked and you know fema is going to help them to this day.
Speaker 1:Here we are. Have you seen that? You probably. You said you haven't been social media. There's a meme out there that they said if you say uh, candy man, is it three times? Oh, what's that happen? What happened? Then candy man appears behind you. You remember the movie, right? You remember that? Yes, if you say beetlejuice, uh-huh, three times, then beetlejuice shows up, all right, but you could say fema, a hundred times, it ain't happening.
Speaker 1:Tumbleweed yeah, for sure, for sure, yeah, you can say it as much as you want, it ain't happening, not a chance yeah, I'm.
Speaker 2:I'm becoming a little more hopeful, um optimistic, since I've gotten off social media. If you're out there and you're trying to talk to me, uh text me. If you don't have my number, uh text jim well, I mean it's always.
Speaker 1:I mean it's always that social media is toxic.
Speaker 2:It's like it's just so horrible.
Speaker 1:It doesn't feel right and yeah, that's why america doesn't feel like that.
Speaker 2:Once you take your head out of the screen, I I mean, the reason I got out is because it was really around my daughter's wedding, where I'm like I'm not sharing this sacred moment, I'm not casting pearls before swine. I'm not, I'm not about to give to this realm and dimension the most sacred moments of my life anymore. Like I'll give you. I'll give you some, you know, because. Because I want there to be a, an olive branch of hope, I want there to be a tether that you can wrap your arm around. I want there to be a life preserver, thrown to the ocean of hopelessness that exists. But I'm just done like being in that space and then sharing all of the sacredness Like I want. I just want them for myself, I don't want to give them away anymore.
Speaker 1:See, I've never really shared too much on social media.
Speaker 2:I did, though the business stuff is all I share, and if you notice that you never sit there too much, no, and I thought I was helping people by by putting my life out there as an example of like this is this is what you know, like this is what hope looks, like you can, this is what God did for me. They just look at you and judge you anyways, oh.
Speaker 1:I don't care is like they're their friends and know what your friend life is like, or they're. They're people who knew you in your past and they judge you and make stupid thoughts come in their head. When they see you, you show them a beautiful moment, they go yeah, right, you know what I mean. People like that. Well, but the people that know you they you don't need to put that out there for them they're involved and they know it. I like to see my friends, Not me, because it's all fake anyways. It's never a real deal.
Speaker 2:If you were to post something, I'd be like oh man, that's wonderful, I'm happy, I'm clapping for you. I guess that's what I've learned.
Speaker 1:But if I post a lottery winning for $110,000, I'm not going to show you the 600,000 I lost in buying those lottery tickets. You see what I'm saying? Like it's just how social media works. You will show that, but you're never going to show no losses.
Speaker 2:That is probably the best example of that that I've ever heard People say that, but that was probably the best example, like I won't show you the 600 I lost, but I'll show you the 0.5 I won. Yes, very good, I lost, but I'll show you the 0.5 I won.
Speaker 1:Yes, very good. That's I mean, and that's the way social media works. Nobody's going to put it out there. Nobody wants to put anything to make themselves look in a bad way.
Speaker 2:Well, that too, I didn't like that either. That I was, I was. I wasn't allowed to bleed. If I bleed and I and I talk, told to be quiet and if I celebrate on I can't celebrate too much. If I celebrate too much, then you know I got the people that are like must be nice, you know, like well, yeah, I think it is nice, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:They either are already in your life and the life is good and their depiction of you is good or bad, or however it is, but they know you or they're making stupid judgments as on the post and whether you post it and they believe.
Speaker 2:But I gave them my suffering moments as well. I mean, I presented those as well Like a hard day today you know I would post like you know struggled with this or that and just tried to like create this connection with the world.
Speaker 1:That seems to be like lies to the to everyone else. So they assume when you do it you're lying to. Oh, oh, that's so, that's so pessimistic, but it's true, I mean it's a fact, it's not it's.
Speaker 2:That's one of those principles that I made with myself a long time ago. Like I'd lie, I won't lie to me, so I it's impossible. I mean I wouldn lie to you.
Speaker 1:But most people are lying to. Most people are. Most people aren't putting their real foot forward. Most people on social media, I'm talking. So they assume that everything else out there is not their front. I mean that's just the assumption.
Speaker 2:It's such a like, oh, it's such a hopeless perspective, though I mean, you know, I just it's like.
Speaker 1:It's like when you're when your girlfriend's accusing you of cheating all the time, it's typically because she's the one who's cheating. You know what I'm saying. It's like it's a they, they, they, they reflect their own inner perspective. They, they, they, they, they reflect it to you. Yeah, you know what I mean, and it has nothing to do with you. And that's the problem with social media. They look at it and in real life, too, people do the same thing in real life. They look at you and they think that's a.
Speaker 2:That's a Marxist tactic.
Speaker 1:What is?
Speaker 2:to to project what you're doing on others.
Speaker 1:I think that's a human, it's Marxist. I think that's just a human, it's Marxist nature type thing, it's Marxist. It's like when, when you say that the evil, and you assume I have that too and I'm like it's scary to me that you don't know what's in there. I don't think it is in there. I really don't.
Speaker 2:It's terrifying, Jim.
Speaker 1:But that's you reflecting your beliefs yourself.
Speaker 2:No, you're born that way, you're born, you're born, you are born.
Speaker 1:No, sinful, sinful yeah born.
Speaker 2:No, not with evil, not sinful. Yeah, sinful is different than evil, bro, you don't know the the nature of sin then? Sin just wants to kill, still destroy, it just does. It's, it's never satisfied, it's an insatiable.
Speaker 1:But not evil, there's no nothing like that's where sin comes from. Evil to me is like is well as is bad wishes and evil and and murderous thoughts or destruction thoughts. That's evil to me. You told me one time you had a murderous thought. I did one time.
Speaker 2:That's true it's in there. It's in there it's in there. It came out one time, yeah I'm, I'm and I just say that I'm conscious of but that was in the moment type thing. Of course they're all in the moment. That's the heat of passion type deal.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying. That's like a different. Everybody can be subject to that. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about just evil thoughts in general, like I've not had an evil thought of him since then. It was that moment that I you know, because I didn't want to be where I wanted to be it had really had nothing to do with him. You know what I mean. I just didn't want to be where I wanted to be. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, if that makes sense, yeah, but yeah, I don't. I still don't find it to be evil. I mean not not to call. I wouldn't call it evil.
Speaker 2:Yeah either. Then I mean I don't call, like I wouldn't call lying evil, yeah, I wouldn't. Yeah, well, I'll put you on, I'll put you.
Speaker 1:Well, hopefully the government never pulls you up on the on the jury, and you know oh that the beauty of being a business, small business owner that the business can't function if you take off to go to jury duty. I mean a business. It just will fall apart if you take a week out and go to jury duty.
Speaker 2:So finish your thought. You said you don't think that lying is evil.
Speaker 1:Well, I'm saying that there's. What I'm saying is there's different levels of sin and I don't believe that all sin they, they're all human nature, which I guess you can call evil if you want, but I don't believe that they're what I would state as evil. Evil is, you know, to me is like he did. He's evil. Uh, you know, um, just like, yeah, it's just like. I don't see like somebody like I'm.
Speaker 2:I guess what I'm saying is that the nature of that level of evil that exists within P Diddy didn't start with a thousand bottles of whatever kind of oil, baby oil, that's not where we began, that's what I'm saying the darkness.
Speaker 2:The darkness started as a rationalizing, started with one bottle. It started with. It started with a rationalization of compromise, uh, justification of why I deserve or why I would do this, or you know, it'd be like going to work and you know, working for Jim at the bar, and then you know I got to get home and I need, I need a five spot to get some gas, or you know, and then $5 turns into $10 tomorrow, $10 turns into $20 next week and that one, that one little innocent, you know, justified compromise, moment of darkness, sinful thought. That thought brought you to a belief and that belief, acted upon, became bigger than you could control and before long, there was a monster now living inside of you who has an appetite that will not stop and you can justify that monster. Once that monster starts to grow, you begin to justify that monster and his existence in your life. This is why people murder people for insurance policies and this is why adultery.
Speaker 1:And then, oh well, I know that'll never happen. Right?
Speaker 2:That's my point when I say there's no evil Like there's no amount of money and perhaps you do a better job of restraining that little compromise than others. But my point in saying it's like I know the darkness exists within me is to recognize that I see the moments as they are presented to me to compromise, don't? You know, troy, you don't need to do that, you don't. You know you don't don't need to do that, you don't. You know, you don't. You can do this and get away with it.
Speaker 2:It's not as if it's that big of a deal, and when I start to talk like that, it's, it's frightening, it's terrifying to me, because one of the things I want to do in my life more than anything right now I'm 51 today and what I want to do is I want to. I want to finish my life with a positive testimony. I want it to be said of me when everyone is in the room. You know, when four people were in the room, I want it to be said that man, he just he was rock solid, he was rock solid. And I see so many people today who start well, who finish terrible, and I finished.
Speaker 2:I started terrible, but I want to finish really well. I want to steward the back part of my life and I want it to matter, and I want it to be a testimony to my kids that it's possible, that you can, you can, you can be a solid individual, that you can be integrous, that you can, your character can be dependable and you can change your life around. And you know so. It's that, and it's that in me that makes me say don't compromise the darkness, don't, don't shake hands with it, don't rationalize it, don't get an inch to it.
Speaker 1:Okay, so this brings up a good point. Now, this is a quick window and we're going to run out of time here, but this is a good point. It's a good way to bring it up. I like this. My question is and Jesus is almighty? Yes, it's everything right.
Speaker 2:Choice.
Speaker 1:Huh.
Speaker 2:I know what you're going to ask before you ask it Choice, no, go ahead, not choice, you're wrong.
Speaker 1:Okay, I know what you're going to ask before you ask it. Choice, no, go ahead, not choice, you're wrong. Okay, good, I'm going to throw you for a loop. Yeah, do you think that Jesus will forgive a sinner?
Speaker 2:100%.
Speaker 1:If he didn't ask for forgiveness.
Speaker 2:I think that the Bible tells us I mean, as you search the scriptures, you can see that that Jesus knows your heart. That's why like but there is, there is a very clear scripture that exists in the text that says that if you confess with your mouth and believe in your heart that Jesus is Lord, you can be saved. I just believing that Jesus is Lord you can be saved.
Speaker 1:I just believing that Jesus is Lord.
Speaker 2:There is a confession, though, that is attached to the belief, and at some point, you're at the wrong rally.
Speaker 1:You're going to be at the smaller one.
Speaker 2:Come on with that. You better kick me out. Oh my gosh, that's going to come back to haunt you, dude, Wow. But I believe there is a. I don't know that you can ever know the heart of an individual and that, and that in the, in the, in the millisecond of time that it takes to say the name of Jesus, it's never too late to say the name of Jesus. I just feel like criminal on the cross is evidence of that Than that.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying jesus is better than what than to be so stringent and strong. Oh, he is so good, he is so good yes, I just don't believe he's that no, no, he is. He is so graceful, he is so benevolent and loving and tender and patient with us and he'll never stop. He never stops chasing us and in, you know, you know, this is evidence that he, just, he continues and even though he just draws us, gets a lot of people away from it, though they feel like there's no bend there's a lot of bend, and there's so much bend that he'll go.
Speaker 2:He'll go into the darkest crevices and cracks of of evil that you go into with you and he'll still. He'll still call you out of it. He'll still whisper your name as you put the drugs into your veins, as you lay in bed with somebody who's not you're not supposed to be, as you murder the unborn. He still, he still calls your name. He still offers. Why did he make sin so much fun? Yeah, it is fun, isn't it?
Speaker 1:A lot of it is can be. Well, yeah, definitely I'm not saying it, I'm just being honest. But I mean, why did he do that? It seems silly. If you're the almighty, you're making it. Why would you make the worst thing for him so much?
Speaker 2:fun Because there's a counterfeit version of whatever that is, and then there's the authentic version of it. So sex outside of marriage it's a counterfeit version. Sex within the confines of marriage it's sacred. So much better and you can take that scenario and run it through every, every thing in your life. I mean it's a good question the enemy?
Speaker 1:will always offer.
Speaker 2:Satan will always offer you a counterfeit version of the genuine that God offers, and he does it in an attempt to ruin the union with God in the earth. He's after the union you have with God. He's so hates the fact that that you and I can share union with God when he's been. He's been removed from from the, so he gives you a full sex and oh, so he gives you faux sex. He gives you everything synthetic Neurons, everything is synthetic.
Speaker 1:What do they call that? What is that when your neurons are firing or whatever from chemicals?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Synapses or whatever. It's all fake. It's all orgasmic.
Speaker 2:So God gave you the good stuff yeah, you can enjoy all of that manipulated it and gave you a cheat, she gives you all of the and, and with it comes death, hell and destruction. I mean, just look at a drug addict and, yes, the the moment of high. So, oh, so euphoric right. You know, don't know, I don't know either, but I just I don't know I don't know either. I never even like.
Speaker 1:I smoked it, but I didn't even like that.
Speaker 2:I never did I didn't like that, but I mean, I mean, I enjoyed drinking. At one point I remember drinking man, this is you know, but then, but then. But there is a but afterwards.
Speaker 1:You just, I think, the alcohol wasn't as much. I don't think. When I was in the drinking I never thought it was as much of like the buzz that I liked Well maybe the slight buzz, it was the freedom it gave me, it was the inhibition in the beginning.
Speaker 2:Maybe it was the loss of of being inhibited. It was like a a social.
Speaker 1:Exactly that would like you Cause.
Speaker 2:Now I'm lubed up and I'm greasy and I'm just fun. I've lost the fear of what you you know like. Now I can go say whatever I want.
Speaker 1:No, but there was a camaraderie, I mean like there was an actual camaraderie between you and your buddies that drink. Of course, that was like. You know what I'm saying, it was a social, I think.
Speaker 2:Well, definitely, but I mean, I was only drinking back in the day more, so just to go to the club.
Speaker 1:And hang with your boys. You were never like. I mean, until you're an alcoholic, you're never drinking. I never liked alcohol like that.
Speaker 2:No, I just liked the environment of it, because it was loose and fun.
Speaker 1:And yeah, you could loosen up a little bit or you could do whatever and blame it on the alcohol, whichever you wanted to do, but no, I never. I never really liked it.
Speaker 2:But yeah, but that's what the that's what the end of this gives you a choice and that's the choice you because you have to have a choice. In the garden there was a choice. You know every tree you can eat from and it's the same. It's the same right now for all of us, but christ has been was it really an apple?
Speaker 1:you think it was really an apple? No, no, I'm gonna say, because apples are so good. Yeah, no, I don't think I do love a good apple, don't believe it's apple. But uh, yeah, yeah all right, but he is, he is and I've never.
Speaker 2:I've never been humbled, and I think the listeners need to hear this. I've never been humbled by the wrath of God. I've only been humbled by the goodness of God in my life.
Speaker 2:I guess that was my point it wasn't his wrath that corrected me, it was his amazing love that in the lowest points of my life he was there. I remember God speaking to me. I was hungover, I was laying outside at my house, I had passed out in the backyard. I just got into a fight at Mutt Jeff's and it was the lowest point, probably in all of my life Well, second lowest and I passed out in the backyard because, you know, I was into a fight and I passed out and I I should have died. And I woke up with three inches of snow on me because I heard. I heard the voice of god call me, woke me up. I stood up, I shot, I shot up and I heard god tell me you can leave, troy, you can leave, you don't have to live here like this. I changed my life.
Speaker 1:What if somebody slipped you some acid that night? I? Don't know, just messing.
Speaker 2:I mean, that's the gamble. You know what I mean? It wasn't acid, it was definitely.
Speaker 1:No, I'm with you. I grew up in church, though From an early age I understood that it was there. I got it. I understood that all the way through my life. I've always understood it. At one time, immediately early on, when I was young, was, you know, was real hardcore on it for times, you know, like maybe two months here, and then I do what you call backsliding. Whatever you did, moonwalk, but I feel like that's where the problem it's like. It's like here. I'll give you an example I quit smoking one time and I'd keep my cigarettes in my golf bag I didn't even realize I had any in there.
Speaker 1:You know what mean. But then the one day I'm out in a garage and I seen him poking out and I thought, huh, I snuck me a cigarette, you know. Well, that was good, I left it alone. I went through that pack over a couple of weeks and then I bought another pack, kind of slipped it in there, you know, and my ex-wife found out I was sneaking these cigarettes. She went apeshit, the hell with it. I started smoking again. You know what I mean. Yeah, that was my solution. You know what I mean. I was doing better off. I'd only smoked like a pack in three weeks where I'm smoking two packs a day. Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:So are you saying? What are you saying here? You're saying that, Jesus, just be happy, I gave you a quarter of my heart.
Speaker 1:That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is as a young man, when I was told I was backslidden, it was rough, you didn't like that. I went and got my rust in my cigarette. I just went and started smoking it. You understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:I mean I didn't like it. I'm not saying it what they said, you were backslidden, and that just said. You just said oh okay, well, might as well yeah I guess I have might as well live back here yeah, yes, sir, yeah.
Speaker 1:So that's how I felt as a kid, but then that's, I mean, I was young and I couldn't process things like I can today. You know, I was young. I just kind of had an attitude about them saying that to me A little bit.
Speaker 2:I mean, conviction is an amazing gift and a haunting. You know, the conviction that comes from God is not condemnation. Conviction tells you you're better and I know it.
Speaker 1:That's God, that's not the members of the church. You know what I mean the God. You feel, how you feel. You already feel bad. That happens.
Speaker 2:That God gave you that, and the last thing you need is a man telling you you're condemned, and that for sure. But the last thing we can afford in society is to cheapen words.
Speaker 1:Or, like the Amish, when the Amish shun their, you know they shun their people.
Speaker 2:That's definitely in the Bible. It tells you to do that in the Bible. That's horrible. Yeah Well, it tells you to correct, to bring correction, and then if they won't receive the correction, then you do the excommunication thing. But you have to do it all with a spirit of love, not condemnation. Not condemning. It has to be done with a heart that says, look, you're not living according to who you're.
Speaker 1:It's too hard for me to go. Those are the things that keep me out of church. I swear to God that's what it is. Those are the things I swear. It's what it is To me. I just feel like it should be better to me and I wouldn't do that to somebody.
Speaker 2:God should be better than you. He is better than me. God should be better to you. No no, no, better than me. So the reason you don't come to church is because somebody long ago told you you were backslidden.
Speaker 1:Many times they told you that to your face. Oh yeah, it's. Yeah, there was like you were like treated a certain way. Oh no, oh yeah, for sure, oh no. But, I mean, I'm not saying that that's the only reason. The other reason is is I want to continue smoking and my I shouldn't smoke if I go to church, even though I think it. You probably should, you probably could.
Speaker 2:Oh, come on, man, no, no, no, there's lots of things If that's the mentality.
Speaker 1:I don't feel like I could own a bar and go to church.
Speaker 2:I feel like I'd oh no, no, no, you, you, you should, you, should. You need a community of hope. That's what the church is. It's just there to give you hope, it's there to guide us, it's there to, it's there to create in us a better version of ourselves and to and you know, to surround yourself with people that say, man, you can do it. You can do it not to condemn you, but to remind you of who you are.
Speaker 1:I guess my whole point is I've been good to everybody in my life. Yeah, Everybody. I mean you'll be hard-pressed to find somebody that'll tell you I did them.
Speaker 2:I can.
Speaker 1:You'd be hard-pressed. So you're telling me God's not going to. You know he's going to keep me out of heaven.
Speaker 2:Like I've been good to everybody, how could he keep me out of heaven there's only there's only so weird being kept out of heaven is just a rejection of jesus. The only way you get you're kept out of heaven is just to to reject christ. You receive jesus, you go to heaven and not and more than that like you. You receive christ, you bring heaven. So if you receive christ, your kingdom come. Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. That's what. That's what most people don't believe, don't understand. It's like you receive Christ. You don't just go to heaven on that glorious day when you die. You, you have access to it now. Plus.
Speaker 1:I don't want that's when you need it most, right? I guess that's the other thing I didn't like either. That's. The one other little thing that I never liked is that there's they sell it too big, like, too weird, like they tell you. Well, because to me, a religious man shouldn't be, um, shouldn't be, enthralled in, in, in material things that should not like, that should not be their goals in life. But yet you know, you were always told that. You know your mansion, your, your roads, your roads paved in gold and things like that. It, it kind of like turned me off. I don't like that. I don't. Honestly, I feel like heaven should be a green pasture. Honestly, that's where I want to be. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I want heaven to have a dirt road dude, I'm telling you it probably does, but it's definitely a reference to the inexhaustible glory of God, more so than the wealth or the stuff.
Speaker 1:The visual I get, though, of mansions with gold streets doesn't do nothing for me. I have a recurring dream.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, I mean, and that's to the poor is that you don't have to be poor.
Speaker 1:Sure, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Because poverty is a curse. Poverty is a curse and if you read through the Old Testament, you'll see that poverty was a curse and the blessing of God came with wealth. It was definitely how God distinctly separated his people from the other people. This is why, even today, it's hard-pressed to find a poor Jew. Yeah, that's why the Jewish community controls 80% of the wealth of the world. Kanye had it right. He was telling the truth when he said you know, jewish people run everything.
Speaker 1:You know they keep what they got because they take care of their it's an indication of the blessing of god that's upon them they take care of. They take care of their own. It's the same way, amish, of course, I mean that's. The biggest thing that makes them different than them is that they they're that. You start out with a house and some money in your diary, or whatever you call it. You start out with those items. Yes, because that is the, the setup and they're in your parents set up what's that?
Speaker 2:the blessing, the blessing. It's. It's literally called the blessing. Okay, that's what a dowry is the blessing that comes from the father to the to the bride it's the blessing. It's the blessing. Okay, that's what a dowry is. The blessing that comes from the father to the to the bride it's the blessing. It's the blessing. That's um and the. The blessing is evident through separation, the distinction, a clear distinction. I have this recurring dream in my life that um, I always see I'm different.
Speaker 1:You know why I think Jews own everything and have all the money. It's because and you think, it's by their own efforts no, it's on our own efforts, it's racism. Back in the day they wouldn't give them them good jobs because they were damn jews, so they wouldn't let them have the good jobs. They would only give them the clerical jobs. All the good paying jobs were in a factory. Clerical jobs didn't get anything, so they came up in a clerical. But doesn't that?
Speaker 1:explain the providence of god right, yeah, I guess it could be that, could that, I guess. Okay, fair enough. But but you see what I'm saying. Where I do understand what you're saying, I believe that's where it came.
Speaker 2:But I mean, if you walk through the, the scriptures, if you walk through the historical account of the scriptures, you will see that god has, he is, the protector of israel and his people and and he is, he has made it clear that if you bless his people, he will bless you, but if you curse his people he will bring a curse upon you, and that curse often includes poverty and all of the relatives of poverty, disease. But how come?
Speaker 1:okay, so if that's the case, then all right, what you're?
Speaker 2:saying is true, what's in the bible? I'm not saying, I'm saying it.
Speaker 1:I'm saying the bible says that yeah but you said Jews have money and that's why.
Speaker 2:Well, they do. They're the blessings. They don't accept Jesus. They don't have to. They're God's chosen people and the Bible clearly declares that. In that there will be a day where they will receive him, they will see him, they will know him clearly. But to this day, the New Testament tells us there's a veil over many of their eyes. There's this veil where they can't see it. They can't see it, but there are many Messianic Jews, but by and large the Jewish community can't see him now. But the unfolding of a prophecy at the end of time which we are in says that Jesus will reveal himself to the Jewish people.
Speaker 1:Have you ever been in their church?
Speaker 2:A Jewish church. Yeah, I did a wedding one time. No, yes, but yes I have. Did you see their?
Speaker 1:picture of God, their depiction of God.
Speaker 2:I didn't pay attention. So angry, god's mad. The wrath of God has been satisfied in Christ.
Speaker 1:Three different churches that I've been to. Well, what do they call?
Speaker 1:temples, or they call them um synagogues, yeah three of them that I've worked in because I've done a lot of work. I've done a lot of work in, uh, in the jewish community in cleveland and I've worked on three different ones because we used to do a guy I do work for a guy that that was jewish guy and did did all their work over there. They have there's there's really like there's an old Jewish Russian community center. There's all kinds of stuff we've done over there, but every time that was the one thing I noticed is that their God is angry, like you could see, like just straight anger. And I grew up Christian and we never seen that. Well, we only we usually saw Jesus and we never saw anger.
Speaker 2:Jesus satisfied the wrath of god yeah okay, well, that's a good answer. Now I know that answer so he's not mad at you I knew he wasn't mad at me anyway, and and I just walked past and was like, what's with that guy?
Speaker 2:the idea that your sin is greater than his grace. I mean, it's communicated in. You know, two-thirds of the New Testament was written by a guy named Paul, formerly known as Saul, who killed Christians. He was a terrorist and he killed Christians, but God called him and in his call he wiped away the sin of Saul and changed his name to Paul. He was changed by his experience with Christ. All of us who have that experience are changed Just in an instant. You can, you're changed and and the the consciousness of sin is he'll deal with that. He'll deal with that. You don't have to. You don't have to deal with that. I tell people all the time like they're like so I'm good.
Speaker 1:I shouldn't go to church as long as I got Jesus.
Speaker 2:Well, that's what you say. But I'm telling you that, if you have an experience, I'm telling you that the most and I say this to people a lot that don't know anything about the Bible I just tell them like, hey look, the most probable place you're going to experience the presence of Jesus in a palpable, tangible way is going to be in a service, in a church, in a congregating church, where there's a worship expression and there's a sermon expression. That's probably the highest probability of you experiencing the glory of God that's life-changing and transforming is going to happen, probably on a Sunday. So just keep coming, just keep coming. You say, well, I'm not living right. When I start living right, just keep coming. You say, well, I'm not, I'm not living right. I just, you know, when I stop, when I start living right, I'll come. No, no, you should come and just keep coming. And then it's not like Jesus needs you to get rid of anything for him to do with you, with your life. He needs. He just needs you to add we're trying to get rid of something. He's like no, just add me, just add me.
Speaker 2:And if you'll add me and there's plenty of stories through the Bible there's an Old Testament prophecy in the book of Kings, where the prophet is making soup and they're all eating it and he's like, oh, there's death in the soup and they all start dying. And the prophet says give me the bowl. And he takes flour and he puts flour into the bowl and he reverses the curse. That's what Jesus does. He reverses the curse. That's what Jesus does. He reverses the curse. When you add Christ into your life, he stops the death and the decay. He brings life into your life. He makes all things new. He presents hope for tomorrow. So it's not about getting rid of the poison, it's about adding Jesus. It's about adding the one thing in this life that can counteract the poison, the destruction of the enemy. It's Christ. It's Christ. So come to church Keep coming.
Speaker 1:Amanda is going to force that to happen, I promise you. Thank you, amanda, she has been doing that forever.
Speaker 2:Me and Amanda are working together, but I'm your guy. I'm going to say Jimmy is backslidden today we're going to bring him up. I'm going to pray the backslide off of them.
Speaker 1:That's not what I do, man, I guess that was one point.
Speaker 2:I definitely keep the standard. I remind you of the standard, so I don't ever want to water down the standard of God, but as soon as I present the standard I'm like well, but here's the grace of God, because Jesus came full of two things grace and truth, and never one greater than the other.
Speaker 1:I guess I was just making a statement about hypocrisy.
Speaker 2:And I'll give you one more example before we go. Democrats are hypocritical, but nobody gives up on the Democrats.
Speaker 1:I'll give you one example. One more example before we go. I've always been in business. I've never used Mexicans to hang my drywall. It's never happened. I would never do that. Illegals oh, I see, I'm not blind, I'm.
Speaker 2:Mexican, yes, I have had Mexican workers.
Speaker 1:I've had, I'm going to chop that out of the thing.
Speaker 2:I have no, and I'm going to represent. I would never use a.
Speaker 1:I have had Mexican hangers Mexican but not illegals. I never would do that. Well on for the story. What is keto? But you see, puerto rican, puerto rican. In fact my mom like basically has a house in puerto rico, gotcha. Okay, so, um, so okay, I have never done that to me.
Speaker 2:I find it to be grimy and that that goes back before there was illegal, like using illegal, yeah, not being taxed, and like screwing over the locals and not like taking care of your people, and I I to me.
Speaker 1:I find it to be nasty, icky, it's just, you don't do that, it's just wrong. I hear you and that's just how I feel, as I, just how I've always felt. But there's a guy and I'm gonna go and put his name out there. His name is Roger Carroll Carroll Drywall. Okay, I have most people in the drywall game knows who it is, but he's a. He's a pastor, he's a well, he's not a pastor, he's a religious man. But he literally has all illegals, pays Everybody, chump change under the table, type cash deals, like, and then sits down at lunch and prays before he can eat, like, get the hell out of here, you're praying because all the evil shit you did all day.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying Like it's just, I don't know, I just. And then then like I specifically, I remember one time and I got a lot of work from it is how I actually ended up getting a lot of work that uh, star builders was doing a project for the church that he was a member of and he literally told the church not to use him and he was the guy they used for everything that they did. Like he just and he's just a not a good person in my opinion, and I things like that. Those are the type of hypocrites that just kind of keep my like. I keep this nasty taste in my mouth. I don't feel that way about you, that I'm sure, but I'm just or just it leaves a nasty but but there's people out there that that do that, that put a nasty taste in good people's mouths.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean?
Speaker 2:yeah, yeah, I get that, but in a different way than p did I, I listen, I get that, but look like I love and I say this all the time I'll tell people I'm gonna say something that's gonna, it's gonna, offend you. Eventually I will say something that you disagree with. I do that on a daily, like. Eventually I'm going to behave in a way that you think is distasteful, or you're just gonna, as you're gonna, find it reprehensible. But my point in all of it is to say I'm not pointing to me though, jim. I'm not pointing to me. I'm telling you I'm no good. The only good in me is christ'm telling you I'm no good. The only good in me is Christ. I tell you that openly. I'd say don't look at me.
Speaker 2:There's a scripture in the Bible. I say this to people all the time they come to John the Baptist, and John the Baptist is doing these amazing things and he's getting all the shine, and everybody's like, ooh, let's go to John the Baptist's church. You know, like like, ooh, let's go hang out with John the Baptist, like he's. He's out here doing things, you know, and they all come to him. All the, all, the you know the high leaders that you know, the, the influential leaders of society, come to him and say, hey, who are you? Are you the Christ? And his response is just it's it's, it's magic to me.
Speaker 2:He said I am not the Christ. That's it. I am not the Christ. I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness prepare the way for Jesus. And I just tell people all the time don't look at me. Look at him, he's perfect. He's perfect. I don't know the words to tell you he does, but don't look at me. And if there's anyone out there, I would tell you stop looking at man, stop looking at preachers, stop looking, stop, stop looking at religious leaders, start looking at Jesus. Leaders don't transform Christ, does. I'm not. I'm not negating the work that leaders do for Jesus, but I'm saying only those who follow Christ can have anything to lay on the altar that won't burn up and consume and just be gone with when they're dead in this life. And so that's my goal is to lay something on the altar that's worthy, that lasts and and and it's and I know it's not in me. And so I would say to to people like that just hey, stop looking at these people.
Speaker 1:They're, they're they're dealing with the same sin. That's why I'm sharing it with you. It's not. It's not so much to convince me, because I don't have a choice. My wife's going to make you're going to, my wife's going to make, I got.
Speaker 2:VIPCs for you. It's happened. I got VIPCs.
Speaker 1:It's not going to happen on Saturday, though, because Dylan's in his championship football. Dig it.
Speaker 2:Which Saturday is your Halloween Friday and Saturday 6 to midnight that church on the north coast in Lorain, so that sounds like it'd be fun.
Speaker 1:But Dylan's got his championship football game we're excited about and this is first year starting. It's been a lot of fun. I want to come see one of those games. This is his last one for the year Basketball after this. He loves his athleticism. I love talking to you. I do too.
Speaker 2:I love it.
Speaker 1:I like challenging you. Don't get offended though, Bro, I'm not offended. My goal is to challenge you a little bit Good.
Speaker 2:You keep doing that. I'm smoking when I'm selling. I try at least. Alright, we're gonna get out of here Nice hanging out with you people today.
Speaker 1:Peace.
Speaker 2:Alright, my man all right buddy stop.
