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Bridging Generations: Toys, Traditions, and the Quest for Spiritual Wisdom
Ever wondered how childhood treasures and festive traditions can bridge the gap between generations? Join us as we take you on a heartwarming journey through the timeless charm of toys, Christmas decorations, and the magic of places like Castle Noel. Our personal anecdotes of revisiting beloved race car sets and vintage Hot Wheels garages might just inspire you to share the joy of your own childhood memories with your loved ones. Alongside these nostalgic reflections, we dive into the intriguing complexities of love languages and gift-giving, sharing insights on how recognizing your partner's unique way of expressing love can enhance communication and strengthen relationships.
Can understanding the ethical intricacies of presidential pardons or the societal struggles within the healthcare system lead to meaningful reform? We tackle these thought-provoking topics, exploring the moral implications of forgiveness and accountability both in political landscapes and personal beliefs. As we navigate through the challenges faced by individuals in the healthcare system, we also examine the ethical dimensions of political decisions, such as presidential pardons, and their impact on family loyalty and accountability. These discussions shed light on the broader societal issues that affect us all, offering reflections on potential paths for reform and improvement.
Finally, embark on a spiritual exploration with us as we ponder the mysteries of memory and accountability in the afterlife, as well as the dynamic interpretation of scriptures and religious beliefs. We delve into the profound themes of divine forgiveness, the nature of sin, and how different faith perspectives shape our understanding of spirituality and eternal wisdom. From the geopolitical dynamics of the Middle East to the nuances of interpreting religious texts, this episode weaves together a rich tapestry of personal stories, cultural insights, and spiritual reflections that promise to captivate and inspire.
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Speaker 2:I thought I used to. I saw 10,000 square feet. No, I used to have a big house when I was married. When I got divorced, I moved into one of my rentals and I have never moved out. Okay.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. You paid for it. Yeah, yeah I understand.
Speaker 2:Yeah, my big house is gone, but it was never that big anyways. It was like 200, I think, total. It's decent, it's decent, but it was never like massive, not like you just said 10 000, like, yeah, I thought you had 5 000 for sure. I thought, no, god, no, no, I'm not, I'm not that person. No, no, I'm not. You know what, the more the older I get, when I had my bigger house too, the other thing was like, oh, I had to pull, not, uh, the, you know what I mean, that, that the pool table in the basement, uh, and I would take the kids somewhere, you know, like a vacation. We went to Hocking Hills. I remember, yeah, there was nothing for them to do, they were bored, it was dumb. Let's go back to grandpa. It's all the same shit that we know my actual kids. There was no grandpa then my bad, no grandpa. Then that was my actual kids. But yeah, no, that was, it was what it was, I guess.
Speaker 1:My wife fills every square inch of the house with Christmas decorations. We got one, two, three, four, five Christmas trees in our house. No yeah.
Speaker 2:I got one, but it's a big tree. We got two. Dylan keeps one in his room too. I forgot about that one. Yeah, it's a big tree, it's like a 12-footer or whatever. It's pretty big, but that's about it. I spend a lot of time at Hobby Lobby. Have you been to the place in Medina? I'm going there tonight. What's today, tuesday, tuesday. I want to go there.
Speaker 1:I keep wanting to go Castle Noel. Yeah, I want to go there. Yeah, I'm going there.
Speaker 2:Really I got to get my appointment and go. I want to check that place out. I've never been there, yeah, once, yeah, and it's got a bunch of old school toys.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's the coolest room in the place.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's the coolest room in the place.
Speaker 1:You'll spend a good majority of time just staring, like I used to have that and that.
Speaker 2:You ever bought a toy like for your kids that you used to have?
Speaker 1:not yet. Well, no, I did. Yeah, I bought. I had my wife buy me a race car set Because growing up, like when I was a kid, like I always wanted one of those, you know I'd go over my friend's house or I don't know who, but probably my cousin he had one and he's, you know, like that was a cool race car, you know.
Speaker 2:So I had my wife bought me one like 10 years ago for christmas no, I mean, but did you buy anything for your kids that you wanted them to have that?
Speaker 1:you enjoyed, but then I ended up giving them that cool toy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that cool toy I gotcha. Yeah, becca ordered a Simon Says. It came in the mail the other day and it was in a package, and so I reached out to grab it and this thing just starts going off. I'm like, hey, who Simon Says is this? We did.
Speaker 2:For Dylan. I ordered him. When I was a kid. We had a hot wheels garage which I believe was my aunt, uncles not mine, but it was. I was always at my grandparents, but it was like a hot wheels garage, you know, folded open and had a higher tier and it had like a car wash and all that stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, those things.
Speaker 2:I love that thing. I thought it was the coolest thing ever and I wanted Dylan to have one and try one. You know, Did you get it for him? I did. I had to order it. I got the exact one. It cost me I think. I paid like 90 bucks for it Because I had to order it off of whatever was Craigslist or something like that, From a collector basically, and I had to put the stickers on it. There were no stickers on it.
Speaker 1:So it was from way back when, yeah, it was still in the box, it wasn't?
Speaker 2:a replica or reproduction? No, it was the actual. So then now they have the same one now, but it's not exact. It's a little off, but I would have accepted that if they had it whenever I was looking for Dylan. But they didn't, so I spent all that money for him and he never really played with it anyway.
Speaker 1:Hot wheels don't go out of style. They've not gone out of style. I mean my kid, right now seven years old, just carries hot wheels around.
Speaker 2:Dylan never was playing with anything, he was a collector. Oh yeah, he's a collector still to this day. Do you do that Collect?
Speaker 1:things, Not really. No, I think I might, but I just collect them. I don't keep them in the I just use them.
Speaker 2:I mean, I did like baseball cards and stuff a little bit. No, I didn't do that, I did. He's got all my old baseball cards, but like toys. He would line them up Like when I was a kid I would play with my Hot Wheels. I'd make like a. It'd just surround it with the cars and have all the different hot wheels because we'd have like 300. Oh yeah, you know what I mean and I was just always playing him. He's a, he lines him up, just looks at him, basically just checks him out. He rarely has ever played with anything.
Speaker 2:He went through that whole thomas the train phase, yeah, and he wanted every single one, but like the specific one. You know the phase, yeah, and he wanted every single one, but like the specific one, you know the, you know the dirty one or the this one or that one or whatever it was. He was a collector the whole time. It's always just a collector, but that was never my thing. So now I got him collecting coins and you know things like that. That. That increase in, yeah, cause if he's going to collect, collect right, yeah. So that's what we do. Now he's got his first gold piece. That's one.
Speaker 1:10th gold, that's, that's any, any, and he's good with that, yeah, I mean he's got gold.
Speaker 2:I mean he wanted A golden statue of myself.
Speaker 1:Of himself, of himself, and he has that. He does not have that. Oh, you're trying to you.
Speaker 2:Got to give that for him.
Speaker 1:No, you got to give that for him. There's got to be a way you can stamp it, you know, and make it.
Speaker 2:A golden statue? No, that's no, I'm not, it's a bit idolatry. Yeah, that was not happening, not in my house, no way, and I don't think that he would ask for that today. That was. That was, like you know, five year old Dylan, you know, or six year old Dylan.
Speaker 1:Christmas, you guys, big, big Christmas people, yeah, oh, yeah too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, my kids, like my, like my girls, dylan, not so much because Amanda's weird about things, but my kid, my girls, they never once woke me up for Christmas. You woke them up every time. Yeah, like four, 30 in the morning. Come on, let's go, it's all my kids.
Speaker 1:It's funny. It's funny Like you realize that you're. You know, you did Christmas right, because all my kids are gone now, except for the one we adopted. And we're getting ready to have Christmas and we're making plans and they're all like oh, no, no, no, well, I'm coming over spending the night. I'm like, look, you're an adult now we're going to give you a check. They're like no, no, no, no, I don't want a check, I want gifts.
Speaker 2:I no, no, no, I don't want to check.
Speaker 1:I want gifts.
Speaker 2:I'm like, well, you get one gift and then you know well, Dylan's going to be light this year a little bit, Cause he wanted a ridiculous birthday present.
Speaker 2:He wanted a gaming computer was birthdays in November 24th, so I mean it's your 25th, but it's you can't. Yeah, you gotta pay a little bitch. When he wants what he wanted, I mean he's got a monitor, that's as long as this, my three, wow, and a gaming PC. So he's a big gamer, yeah now, yeah, let me see I'll show you what he got. But I mean I'm not saying he's getting nothing, but it's not.
Speaker 2:First of all, he doesn't have anything he wants anymore. Yeah, that's the problem, because he just got what he really wanted. You know what I mean? Oh, my goodness, yeah, so I mean that's his like gaming PC. So I mean he's going to get like maybe a desk and a chair for that and stuff like that. But you know, mean, that's that's about it. That's I'm not saying that's about it. He'll get other stuff. Right, he'll get a good christmas, believe me, he'll get as good at christmas as anybody, but not a doubt, not that it won't be like over the top, like usually I'm pretty over the top. Do you do that for your wife?
Speaker 2:you guys go crazy no, no, no do you? Yeah, you do, I'm nuts. No, I don't I'll just buy her stuff just to be buying her stuff no, not me. I mean the best thing I think I ever got. I usually get her something that I know she'd want and wouldn't get herself, Like maybe because my wife she's frugal, she won't spend a lot of money, my wife's that way too.
Speaker 2:She doesn't even ask for anything, so I'll buy her like Ugg boots or something that I know she would wear but she doesn't want or she wouldn't buy herself. You know what I mean. And then or, or uh, I'm trying to think of another thing. I don't, I don't really, I don't know. I don't buy her nothing grand, though Never Does she buy you a bunch of stuff. No, you don't get anything. No, I get. I. Sometimes I get nothing. Actually.
Speaker 1:Yeah, sometimes I get nothing. A lot of times I get nothing. No, that's, that's an actual, true state. Oh, that's, that's terrible. We have to fix that.
Speaker 2:That's absolutely oh, that breaks my heart. Well, I mean, whoever gets it for me, he's got to take it out of my account. So I mean, it's like I don't care, like here's my list.
Speaker 1:Go get it. Yeah, you, you've heard of the five love languages. The five love languages like gary chapman's a book written by Gary Chapman, okay, and the idea is that everyone has a language of love that they communicate with. So that language is either like it's you know, it's either gifts, or it's words of affirmation, quality time, what's another one? I forget the other ones, but there's five of them. Basically, there's five love languages that you, we all, operate in and you tend to to communicate. The one you are this is the idea, and so my wife is quality time and words of affirmation, but it doesn't matter because I'm gifts, right, so, like you know, so she'll tell me things all the time. I'm like I don't need that.
Speaker 1:She'll try to like love me with her words. I'm like, cause you sound in a little like I don't need that, you know, I'm just like I thank you, but I'm cool, like you don't need to keep telling me that you know, or like hold my hand, quality time, oh, physical touch is another one. So you know physical touch. Um, if you, you know people who whose love language is physical touch, they're always like affectionate, wanting to like snuggle and kiss, and you know that and uh, but you communicate the one you are, and so you know a lot of, a lot of marriages. A lot of this is prominent in the, in the Christian community, like back doors of the Christian community, like a lot of the counseling is she's not a gifts person, so you have to give her words of affirmation, and so you know, so I'll go out and I'll buy my wife very expensive things and she's just like I didn't ask for that, I don't want that and I feel insulted. I'm like you know, like what the heck, my wife's cute.
Speaker 2:What my wife does is she. I don't know about our affection. I have no idea, jim. What is your? I don't know what it is. I really don't. I'd have to think about it, I'd have to consider it.
Speaker 1:I think it sounds like all of them, everyone's a combination of some, everyone's a combination of some, everybody's combination, but you have one dominant they. They say anyhow, I don't know that I ascribe to this theory, but you know, but I am like, if you want to show me that you're thinking of me, you should buy me a gift without me asking. And she has, man, she has, she, she like. For my 50th birthday, a Harley showed up. No, that's pretty amazing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's big, it's huge.
Speaker 1:She's always giving me gifts that were amazing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I don't. I mean that's probably what I am as a giver, probably gifts. So you probably do what you are, it's probably what it is, but it's just that Christmas is just too over, especially with her. I don't know what to buy her. I don't. I really don't I never do.
Speaker 2:I just don't. I mean, I don't, I don't know what to buy her. If I see something, as soon as I know what to buy her, it's hers, that's a fact. So you get it right away. But I just have to know what that is. And if I don't know what that is, then she doesn't care to tell you no, we don't. We don't say no, that's something that would not set well with me or her. She's the same way Like she, she's. She's the type of person that if she sees you struggling, she'll come help you and do whatever she can to make your life awesome. When she's acts of service and she wants credit for that too at the same time, she wants her credit. Tell me I did good. Right, right, right, right, right Acts of service.
Speaker 1:She's an acts of service.
Speaker 2:That's what it is acts of service. That's acts of service. So that's where she is. So you serve her.
Speaker 2:You find out where she loves to be served and then you serve her. That that would be. That's one of the love languages. Yeah, so that's who she is as a person, like, and, but, but if you ask for it, she don't want to do shit for you. You know what I mean. Like that's just like I need some help, but if she sees somebody like where she could make it like, you know what? I don't know, I don't know how to explain it. That's just how she is, though that's who she's been since I've met her. That's the way she is. She's just always been that way, but she gets annoyed too if she can make somebody's day that that you know, yeah, that that is her favorite thing to do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, action service. So, but at any rate, I don't know. I would think mine is probably gifting. I would say probably, because that's probably what I do. The most of you know what I mean. Yeah, I give away a lot.
Speaker 1:Then you are yeah for sure, and nobody gets you anything. It's absolutely tragic.
Speaker 2:That is true, it's always been the way it is. Like in my family nobody seems to be able to function except me. So it's just me, dude, like it's. I don't have much other options. Yeah, like that's just not there. Like my grandmother used to function well and my mother functions well, but my mother doesn't have a lot of money or nothing.
Speaker 1:You know, she pays her bills, she covers herself but yeah, I think I do a lot of overcompensating, you know, like for my kids and all that. I do that Just give them everything.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I do that with Alexa. Alexa gets a lot out of me, which is no good for them. Alexa definitely gets a lot out of me, but it isn't good for them because she expects it out of me sometimes, too, when I can't do it, you know, and it's like I can't do that.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. I told my daughter listen, daddy will get you what your husband doesn't Just tell me what you want.
Speaker 2:If I was her husband I wouldn't get her anything. That's how I roll. I'm like your dad got you, your dad's got you.
Speaker 1:You're good, I'm going to go get me a truck, truck.
Speaker 2:I don't think she'd let that slide I mean, that's just what I would do, that's just me, yeah no I never heard of this. The love of five, I mean. I guess I think I've heard of it, I guess.
Speaker 1:Love languages by gary. I think it's gary chapman. Yeah, I have to look at it. Like I said, I don't and what does it achieve?
Speaker 2:that's just telling you, basically, if that's someone's love language, that's how you got to To effectively communicate love to your significant other. So you have to find their language and communicate it the way they would want you to, the way they want you to, not the way you want, that makes sense.
Speaker 1:That makes sense Because if you're just doing what you want to them, but people do, sure, that's what you do, that's what most people do.
Speaker 1:They're like this is how love is communicated. So let me just give you some gifts, and right, and you know that's what you do, but but then that doesn't. It doesn't even work for my wife because I'll buy her, I buy her all the stuff and she'll end up taking it back. Literally everything I buy her for christmas almost, she she sends back. Really yeah. So I'm just so, I have to be really, really, really, uh, really. I got to be on my game. I got to be on my game For our anniversary. I had something custom built for her and I took her wedding dress and I had it put in like a shadow box, like a seven foot shadow box, put lights in it, you know, painted it, put velvet in it and put a door on it with glass. You know, that was a that. That was a winner. That was a winner. But if you buy her some shoes, she's going to yeah, they're going to go back.
Speaker 2:Well, see I, that's the problem. That's what their women are picky about their clothes. Like they go and buy us how they dress us However they want. Most of the time I mean, I do go get some of my own stuff, but they dress us However they want, that's it. And we're just like whatever, we're, just throwing it on and going on. At least that's how I am. I don't give a shit how I go out the door, I don't care. Really. You know what I mean. As long as my hair looks all right and I don't need a shave, I'm good. You know what I mean. But them, they're like it's so, like it's too unbearable, like it's like no, but the way it is here in the waist or the way it is here at the knee or something Like what the hell's the matter with you? Like nobody's looking at that. You know what I mean. But that's how women are. I mean most women are looking at it, but men aren't. Men don't notice. They'll notice if the butt looks good, I guess On a man.
Speaker 2:No on a woman. No, I don't pay attention to that. You never seen a nice ass on a man.
Speaker 1:Nah, never, not once, not even one time. I don't think so. You know what I mean. You know what I mean? I don't think so. I don't even know how to answer that. I never looked at somebody's buttons like you know what. Maybe I should work out a little more and get one of those I never did.
Speaker 2:Well, I was looking at that kid that shot the CEO man. That kid should be so busy just picking up chicks.
Speaker 1:Well, that's how he got himself in trouble, right? I mean, that's what the it is. Yeah, he was flirting with a.
Speaker 2:Starbucks. But I'm saying he should have been so busy with that he shouldn't even have been thinking about insurance CEOs.
Speaker 1:Isn't the theory that he was denied healthcare coverage for his back surgery or something like that?
Speaker 2:I don't know. I don't think. I haven't heard the. There is theories about that. Are they all theories or is there no truth? It was on his TikTok or on his Twitter page. I think I actually screen grabbed it before they took it down.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I'm curious how many people out there in the world of social media are actually sympathetic to Everybody? No one is, or everybody is sympathetic. Everybody is To the shooter or to the victim, to the shooter exactly, which tells you a lot, right, like don't you think if you were in that industry you'd be like, hey guys, we might want to consider restructuring, uh, our, our system here, because clearly there's an injustice being communicated to the American population. They are not upset that one of us was gunned down like a dog in the street and not one tear shed.
Speaker 2:And what about the BLM guy that's saying now he wants black vigilantes Out there for?
Speaker 1:that for the Guy that was, yeah, that that didn't Make sense to me either, like I don't. But isn't that shouldn't? I mean that's not the Way he did was hold him down. I watched the video. He wasn't like he Wasn't being malicious. No, the Neely guy, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, he Wasn't. He didn't appear to be being.
Speaker 2:But regardless, For the BLM guy to come out and call for vigilante, that's bad dude. You should never do that. I wouldn't even call for somebody to go shoot a CEO. Now that it happened, You're like well, I saw that coming. Yeah, I'm like I'm surprised it hasn't happened more.
Speaker 1:As soon as I seen it, I'm like well, I do pay a lot, that's how I do it.
Speaker 2:I'm surprised it hasn't happened more. As soon as I seen it, I'm like well, I do pay a lot.
Speaker 2:That's how I do it. I went man, I pay a lot for insurance. That's all I did. I didn't really we pay too much for insurance, Especially as an individual like myself. Like what I have to pay out Any insurance, I get it. But at least when you're in a group and you're getting these, you know at least they're paying the whole premium, or closer to the whole premium. Then you got to argue with them, which you shouldn't have to anyways. That's like my uncle Dale.
Speaker 2:I remember him having stomach cancer and they put him in a nurse. They do this, they do that, all these different things. I remember him at the house. He came and stayed with me when he first got done with his surgery and he's in the house and he spent like the next three weeks arguing with people about paying for stuff. Like like the next three weeks arguing with people about paying for stuff. Like literally, they put them in ambulances and wanted to charge them 15 grand. And he's like, well, well, well, why? I mean, how was I supposed to get Cause they took them from a hospital to a nursing home. They made them go to a nursing home that would rehab place. Yeah, he goes.
Speaker 2:How can you not pay for it? They said we'll pay for an ambulance, but we're not going to pay for this one because it took a bed and he goes. Well, then they should have gave me the option to sit up in an ambulance because I would have. I'm not paying 10 grand for that. I mean, especially if you're not going to pay for it, what makes you think I want to pay for it? It?
Speaker 1:just has to be dealt with. I can't keep doing this.
Speaker 2:And he was just spending weeks on end just arguing with them over what they're paying for and what they're not. And he worked at Ford. He had Ford Motor Company insurance.
Speaker 1:Well, I shared this before, but my son had a degenerative eye disease and they wouldn't cover it.
Speaker 2:It was degenerative and they would not. I still don't know what that means. I meant to look that up too.
Speaker 1:It was something that was going to 100% make him go blind and he could not stop it without surgery. But it was stoppable with surgery and they would not approve the surgery. You know what you should do.
Speaker 2:You should try and get reimbursed today. I bet you'd be like, oh, that's a good idea.
Speaker 1:They, might, they, might, Maybe they. I mean I mean the I would. We had an insurance claim out into one of our campuses. They robbed us there. Yeah, you know, you might want to call them again too. You know what. Hey buddy, hey Nate, you know I have a change of heart?
Speaker 2:How?
Speaker 1:you feeling, how you feeling.
Speaker 2:Could you imagine you get the promotion? Oh, you're the new CEO.
Speaker 1:Oh man, no, thank you, don't tell them my name. And how many CEOs do you need? Did you see the chain of command, like how many upper management positions there were?
Speaker 2:It's because what I told you, it's because there's the group United Healthcare Group, like we were talking earlier today. Yeah, there's a healthcare group, then there's health insurance or whatever. The problem is, every state has their own insurance company.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what you were saying. Yeah, every state.
Speaker 2:So it's UnitedHealth, but UnitedHealth has to have an insurance company in each state because there is no open board.
Speaker 1:So each state has their own CEOs and their own upper management positions that are just robbing people, then answering to the group or whoever else it is. Didn't Trump assign a bunch of what was his name? Ramaswamy and your boy, elon, are going to get rid of all the three-letter agencies in the government and maybe they'll fix that. That needs fixed agencies in the government and maybe they'll.
Speaker 2:maybe they'll fix that Maybe they'll fix that. That needs fixed. That's one to me. I think they need to roll it back to prior to the affordable care act. I think they should roll it back. They're afraid to do it because they're saying oh, there's all these people that are getting insurance, well, there's all these people that aren't getting insurance too Well there's all these people that are being exploited at the cost of others.
Speaker 1:Getting insurance Correct Right, so let's just roll it back. Yeah, let's just start all over.
Speaker 2:Roll it back to where we were and open the borders.
Speaker 1:That's what we need to do yeah, the borders of the states, not the border down in Mexico or Canada.
Speaker 2:No, no, close them borders, close them borders.
Speaker 1:That's contributing to the problem that we currently have.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's contributing to the problem that we currently have. Yeah, to some degree. Oh, absolutely, I mean because I would bet you that those illegals are getting free health care 100?
Speaker 1:From UnitedHealthcare and we're paying $1,200 a month with a $6,000 deductible and then when something happens, they don't cover it. Correct. It's like a tornado goes through my city, rips the roof off of buildings, tears buildings down and they won't cover it, Right? What? Yeah, that would make you very. Could you imagine if?
Speaker 2:somebody came in here and ordered a burger and I'm just like what yeah?
Speaker 1:That's exactly what it's like. That's the exact same thing. You come in here and eat, and then what?
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, that's not okay, dude, that's what they're doing, though. Man, that is what they're doing. They're just taking the money, and I've said that about, like, when they have a hurricane in Florida or something you know. I've said that forever. I mean, they, they, these, make it a national disaster area, and then the government picks up the tab. What about the insurance companies that collected the?
Speaker 1:money that whole time. What happened to that?
Speaker 2:Yeah, what happened to that?
Speaker 1:And what are they doing with all this money?
Speaker 2:Live in La Vida Loca and there's all these staffs. You've got to have X amount of CEOs and they all got to make $400,000 or $500,000 a year, plus options.
Speaker 1:You see, trump denied his salary. He's not taking his salary again.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he did that last time too. I mean, that's chump change to him. Anyways, chump change to me, give it to me. I'll take care of that, but he has to take it. You know that right, he has to take it. He has to take it. So what he had.
Speaker 1:So what's he going?
Speaker 2:to do with it. I think he distributed it last time to certain departments, I believe. Oh, so he'll just. It gets basically allocated to and it's not charities, I believe it like maybe it'll go to health and welfare or something to that, I think that it's that sort of thing. But he has to take it for whatever reason. I don't know why, but you have to take it. I don, but he, they, he has to take it for whatever reason. I don't know why, but you have to take it. I don't know, I don't get why you have to take it. They don't like you.
Speaker 1:You don't like your guy man who don't the the, all the career politicians, do not like rfk. I think you hate that dude. They hate him. Do you think he'll make it through the, which is crazy? That they're saying that he couldn't? That doesn't make sense to me, because everybody thinks he's an anti-vaxxer.
Speaker 2:That's what they're labeling him as is an anti-vaxxer, and to some degree he is. Have you heard him talk?
Speaker 1:He makes sense, he makes a lot of sense, way more sense than the other side.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it makes more sense than shut up and take this.
Speaker 1:That's called rape.
Speaker 2:Thank you, I mean, that's what it is Right and then you forced me to do it.
Speaker 1:Then I lost my job Like, not me, but many people lost their job. Yeah, had to downsize their life because they lost their job. They've got to reimburse these people. Like you're going to take care of people, take care of the people that lost everything because they wouldn't, or they had to, or their family member died because of, or what about Biden goes over to and gives all that money to to Africa.
Speaker 1:Africa and Ukraine again, and you still haven't cleaned up North Carolina. Yeah, what is that about? That's insane dude. And then you pardon your son, who is guilty? You don't think so. Whose cocaine was it? I'm not saying that, I'm just saying that. That I'm just saying Caleb that's all I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I would well then shut up. Okay, I'll give you that he's a liar. I would, but.
Speaker 1:I wouldn't. But I definitely wouldn't hire my son to handle corrupt dealings in foreign countries. I don't think he did hire him.
Speaker 2:Burisma hired him. Yeah, he didn't hire him Exactly.
Speaker 1:That's my point. That's my point. Yeah, I was born in the dark, but it wasn't last night.
Speaker 2:All I'm saying is that I can't blame him for doing it. I just don't like that he lied.
Speaker 1:I would make sure that my kids weren't in that position.
Speaker 2:No, you wouldn't. There's nothing you could do about an adult being an adult.
Speaker 1:I could keep him off my payroll.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's not on his payroll is he.
Speaker 1:I could keep his connection to me off. I wouldn't allow that. I don't disagree with that and then have to pardon him for stuff that I put him there, I'd still do it.
Speaker 2:It's your kid dude, you're going to do it.
Speaker 1:But didn't you see that they're saying a lot of people were like Trump was going to do it anyway. Yeah, well, when they asked Trump, he goes.
Speaker 2:I think the dad will do it and he's right. That's what happened, because that's what's going to happen. You're going to pardon your Dude if your dad is the president of the United States about to die and he lets you go to prison instead of pardoning you Like dude. You could burn in hell at that point If you do that to me.
Speaker 1:Come on, dad, I didn't murder nobody.
Speaker 2:I mean if I murdered somebody or if I was evil of some degree.
Speaker 1:They're evil Just partying and shit.
Speaker 2:That's the stupid shit he was doing. He had a gun and he was partying. Basically, that's all that he's getting. That's why they haven't brought him up any on any charges from his emails or anything would do with Burisma. Yeah, None of that's even like on the table that's. This is just like a gun charge and I think what was the? I don't know, Was it crack or something? I don't know Something, Mr Drugs or something.
Speaker 2:Either way it it was taxes, Taxes yeah, oh yeah, I'll forgive my son for not paying his taxes every time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, man, you don't have to pay taxes. You're right. You know what I repent? All of the stuff.
Speaker 2:I just said I take it back. I'm not for president, my kids just don't pay them, I promise.
Speaker 1:I'll pardon you on my way out. They would definitely do pardon, they would definitely do pardon, I mean that's just.
Speaker 2:I mean it's your kids. I'm not saying it's not the best thing and, yeah, you want to have the moral high ground. It was clearly corrupt, though. There was clearly corruption, clearly corrupt, and he lied. I hold him more accountable for lying about it in the first place, joe or.
Speaker 1:Hunter Joe yeah.
Speaker 2:He should have just said yeah, I probably will you know what I mean. Yeah, he should have. I can respect that, I can get behind that.
Speaker 1:It's the I'm not going to stuff. Yeah, that will never happen. We're a party of yes, that virtue signaling that made me just. That's why everybody's all If you just said no, it's my son, I probably will. Yeah, I think I would have.
Speaker 2:Would you forgive your son any? Anytime they ask me, I say would you pardon your son? That's what I would ask. Yeah, because everybody's answer is going to be the same. Yeah, of course I would, it's my son, my son, for anything my kid would have to do some really jacked up shit.
Speaker 2:It would have to be bad. It would have like if he was a murderer. That's different. I'm not letting that go. But I mean anything else, probably rape. Well, I wouldn't be mean. Rape and murder is probably the two that you know unforgivable. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:You should do a poll how many would pardon their kids, like Joe Biden did. I guess we'll do it on Twitter. What wouldn't you pardon your kids? Yeah?
Speaker 2:there you go. That's a good one. What wouldn't you pardon?
Speaker 1:your kids for. Let them know right now, let your kids know right now, this is what you can't do. According to Jim, you can sleep with.
Speaker 2:See, when I was a kid, my mom wouldn't have pardoned me, but now my mom might help me with the shovel. Did you see that she's different now? I mean she's just different, Did you?
Speaker 1:see where they ask the husbands, ask the wives like, would you if I told you I murdered somebody, would you help me? Like, clean up the? And they do this like this test, yeah, yeah, how down the wife is. And then you watch it unfold like no, I'm not. I asked my wife I'm like what if I did this? She's like no, I'm like what I don't? She's like no, I'm like what, I don't think we could be married anymore. Like that's crazy.
Speaker 1:You want to ride or die? See where you're at. Man Like, yeah, do you want to ride or die all the way? Yeah, I had this friend and we were at the church. This guy was down. I mean, he was just, he was one of those guys, he was a good old boy, he was down, he was always down. When I have this other guy with me and I said, look, we're going to pull up here and we're going to tell Josh that you, that you shot somebody, Cause they cause you caught him with your wife last night. So we pull up on this dude and, uh, he's like he was working. He was working for me at the church and and uh, I said church and and I said josh, look, man, we need your help. You know, elijah shot us, his wife's boyfriend last night.
Speaker 2:We gotta, we gotta help him without a flinch. This dude's like follow me this is where we put the body.
Speaker 1:I didn't know what to do. I didn't know what to do at that point. I was like my man. I was very conflicted. There was a part of me that wanted to be like my dude okay.
Speaker 2:You know who you're calling now.
Speaker 1:I know exactly who to call. There was another part that was terrifying, Like how many bodies have you buried?
Speaker 2:Yeah right.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. It was a little nerve wracking, so you got to know who you got around you. You, yeah, right, you know what I mean. It was a little nerve-wracking, yeah, so you got to know who you got around you.
Speaker 2:You got to figure those guys out. I'm not playing on burying no bodies, so I ain't got to figure it out. I just got to keep them away from me. There are no burying bodies for me. Well, yeah, I have no interest in that. I don't know how would you handle that up? I have dreams a lot.
Speaker 1:I have these recurring dreams where I have done it and and nobody knows, and I'm lit.
Speaker 2:You know, I'm just going through my dreams and I know that that I did it, but but you know, in dream, dreams are a way of processing life for you and your own thoughts decipher for me yeah, what does that mean? Typically, death and dreams is birth. That's usually a birth of something new, a death.
Speaker 1:I need you to take that to the Lord. What's that? Why is that?
Speaker 2:That's what they say Birth and a dream, if you look up the meaning of dreams, because dreams aren't, they're not magical- they're just, they come from imagination, right, but they're not magical but they're your. Dreams are just your way of working things out, Like sometimes there's things you can't really sit down. Where did dreams come from? From your, from within, from you when.
Speaker 1:What part of you, your brain, do you know? Did you see that, that joe rogan episode with that guy, where there it was like some sort of like biophysicist or something, and he basically told joe, like there's no evidence that there's anything in the human brain that stores memories, I agree with that. Okay, so then that's proof of the metaphysical Right. So if there's no evidence of anything being stored in your brain, it's just the means by which the spirit gives the information. Your spirit is what has the recall. I don't believe that.
Speaker 2:Well, you have to argue with them then Well just because they don't have the intelligence to to look at what god's wonderful, you know a beautiful computer can do, just because they don't know how to look and read at it, because they're not god and they don't understand how to read the brain, okay, then I mean that that doesn't make they. They don't have the knowledge to know what that brain is doing and can do or can't do.
Speaker 1:Where does the information go when you die? Where's the data? Where's your memory bank? Does that go with you? I don't know, I would. Does that remain?
Speaker 2:I don't know I would imagine that I don't know that it does.
Speaker 1:Honestly, I don't know that it does so, so it would be awfully it would be awfully horrible.
Speaker 2:Do you believe in the eternal life? I do, but it'd be awfully horrible to be an eternal life and to have to deal with some of the suffering that people are suffering, if that's thoughts in their mental brain that that causes that. I mean, could you imagine you? You're in eternal life and for your eternal life you have to remember. You know, like when I see my brother on the couch that was their redemption to it, though, I guess, is the no, I think that.
Speaker 2:I think it gets erased. I don't think it's there. I don't believe it's there. I don't believe it's there.
Speaker 1:I'm trying to like. I'm scouring my, my recollection of scripture to see if there's any recount of there's a story of Lazarus that's there.
Speaker 2:I just say that would be horrible. I just say that would be horrible. There's things that are in your brain right now, like these murder dreams you're having that have no place in heaven. So yeah, I think they're going to be left behind in your brain and that this guy on Joe Rogan not everybody that goes on a show knows what the hell they're talking about. Clearly I don't. I'm making it up right now.
Speaker 1:I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I just thought it was a very interesting perspective that, if the science world can't detect any memory bank material, any way of unfolding or tapping into, Well, we know, we have muscle memory.
Speaker 2:We know that happens, you know that exists. You think you're gonna have reflexes. You have reflex. Yeah, you think you're gonna have. Well, you have muscle memory. You have muscle memory. You have that like, yeah, you know, and that's a memory of sorts. You think you're gonna have that in heaven? Probably not, you think so you're gonna.
Speaker 1:So you think that in the eternal life there's no? No, no, it's not true, because when you die, the scriptures tell us that you have to give an account. You will be judged. You have to give an account of your life lived in the earth. Yeah, but God's got that. But you have to give the account in the eternal life. So your memory's not gone, it's there, it's with you. Okay, all right. But you have to give the account in the eternal life, so your memory's not gone.
Speaker 2:It's there, it's with you. Okay, all right, maybe you're right. I hope that's not true, it is true.
Speaker 1:You will give an account. I don't think you want all your memories. You will give an account. So, in order to give an account, you have to recollect your life. There will be accounted for Every idle word. Every idle word, every word spoken has consequence.
Speaker 2:I don't disagree with that, but I think that he knows that I don't think we're going to come up there.
Speaker 1:I don't think we're going to come up there and but there will be a recollection of it. He will bring it back to you and say remember when you said that you think I'm not telling you, I think I'm telling you, it's in the Bible.
Speaker 2:You think he's going to be up there like oh remember, in 1932 you did this to that. That's what the Bible says. He's going to be like that to you.
Speaker 1:I mean it doesn't mean that you'll be separated because of it. He'll just said you will give an account for it.
Speaker 2:See, I always just take that as they.
Speaker 1:they are going to hold it against you, not that I'm going to be up there half into it. Admit I did it, or whatever you want. The blood of Jesus washes us clean from the consequence of it, but we will have to give an account for it. Like there will be, like see what you did, see what you said. Like there will be this, this, this flashback.
Speaker 2:A lot of people that have near-death experiences say that See, like my wife just said about the insurance guy, she said, well, if you murdered him, then you'd go to hell, you wouldn't go to heaven. I said, no, I could murder him and ask for forgiveness. And she goes that's fucked up. Like she goes that's bad, that's real bad. But you could it, yeah.
Speaker 1:But you could. It is bad, but but you could. Well, you know that, like the Ten Commandments. Who has this teaching? It's really good. Dennis Prager has this really good teaching on the difference between like murder and what do you say? Thou shalt not. What's the term? Thou shalt not kill, yeah, right or no, not. Thou shalt not murder. Should not murder? Premeditate not kill. Yeah, but the word that the, the hebrew word there, is interpreted murder, so it is premeditate murder, but but?
Speaker 2:but war and killing is not prohibited from the ten commandments but what I'm saying is is that I can ask for forgiveness, but my point is my point is so I make it to heaven? I asked for you could Do something horrible. Whatever, you can always repent. You can repent. So if you're in heaven, you think that if you had done something as horrible as murdering somebody, you can be forgiven. I get that, but you think that you're in heaven, with it in your head the rest of your life. Oh, you're going to know.
Speaker 1:I don't think, so You're going to know what you did.
Speaker 2:I don't think so you don't think. So that sounds more like hell to me.
Speaker 1:No, well, I'm telling you that you'll know the power of redemption from it. You'll know the glory of forgiveness, you'll feel the forgiveness of Jesus from it. I don't believe that?
Speaker 2:I don't believe that. No, and I'll tell you why. Another reason I don't believe it Because if it was only in your spirit, you couldn't damage people's problems with physical explain if you get a blow to the head well, I mean, it's the way you process.
Speaker 1:I'm suggesting that your spirit, caleb's calling me. I'm suggesting that your spirit is what gives you recollection and that your brain is the means by which it's translated into your body, into the physical yeah, I think you're okay, I think your spirit enough, all right, your spirit holds the information, and then it allows your brain to translate.
Speaker 2:So then, where's the scientist that shows you that the spirit's storing information with bible? But it's not like science can't look at it and find it no, but but the, the science proves the bible.
Speaker 1:Every day I get the bible like that. Did you see that experiment? They did, um, they did like, on both sides of the country, they took a cell and broke it down to its most you know smallest component that they could. And they took one part of the cell in, let's say, new York and they began to turn it in a direction like clockwise in New York. And they had the other one and they were visibly watching it, and as they turned this one clockwise, the one without touching it, the other side of it, without touching it, in San Francisco, began to turn the same way.
Speaker 2:I believe that that Joe Rogan was talking about something, talking about things. There's like they can train like rats in New York and the ones in California will just know what they trained him in New York.
Speaker 1:That's metaphysical. That's why that is the spirit, that is the evidence of god's spirit that's alive in the earth, that it translates. It translates through time and space.
Speaker 2:Certainly it's got to be connected. You know there's a connection there, for sure, for sure, yeah, you know that I don't.
Speaker 1:I don't believe I'm only physical. I believe I'm. I only have the physical because of the eternal, like god. Only god only brought me to God, only brought me to the world, only brought you to the world because he wanted a place for your spirit to live within time, that you were a spirit being before you were ever a physical being.
Speaker 2:No, I don't know. Yeah, for sure I don't know how that works.
Speaker 1:I believe you, but I don't know how it for sure.
Speaker 2:I don't know how that works. I believe you, yeah for sure, but I don't know how it works.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I believe you. That's why, when he created Adam in the garden, he breathed into them the breath of life. So do you?
Speaker 2:believe in reincarnation? No, okay, I was just curious. No, it's a one-time-around scenario.
Speaker 1:It says you can around scenario. Homie, you are what you are you sure? Yeah, that's not in the Bible. What about deja vu? I don't know. I'm just telling you what's in the Bible. What about deja vu?
Speaker 1:I think deja vu I've had a lot of deja vu moments, as they as, as they are described, like I don't. When you say that, I don't know if it's attached to any, like Hinduism or anything like that, but I have had moments where I'm like I've been here and I think those moments for me, are moments when I have my spirit has gone forward in time and actually touched the place I'm in. That's what I feel like. I have those moments all the time where I feel like my spirit has actually been to this, to this second, this moment, this, this time that I live in. Huh, yeah, that's what I think deja vu is Really. Yeah, I think it is.
Speaker 1:I think your spirit, your spirit, doesn't have. It's not, it's not trapped, it's not trapped, it's, it can. I mean, it would make sense. It knows all things and and it's your, it's your, it's your physical body's ability to translate all things that that really creates the, the hang-up. The Bible says when we go to heaven. We will see him just as he is. We will have the greatest revelation. Our minds will be unlocked, like our yeah, like we'll have this ability to like to know beyond. You know just the surface of a flesh. We'll see. We'll have eternal wisdom, eternal revelation.
Speaker 2:Why is it so important that he can't, he can't just show himself? I know, I don't know, I don't know. I wonder that all the time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I, I wonder that as well. I, there was this, I mean I'm. For centuries that's been the question, right, why, why, why are you so mysterious? Why is?
Speaker 2:God, did you see Mark Paddock and that I had on here? I saw pieces of it, pieces of it. Yeah, that was pretty interesting. Yeah, explain, he's just an author. I have the book at home I'd have to show. It's called the Holy land at war.
Speaker 2:He went over after, after the October, was that? Oh, he went over. He went over the second, third time. Each time he went as a journalist, after you know, or during conflict, or right there after conflict. So he's got some friends that are Palestinian. He's got friends that are Jewish. He's Jewish himself. Um, but yeah, it was interesting. I mean to sit and talk with him and the book was interesting.
Speaker 2:I read the book real quick. It was a good read, actually. He spent a lot of time with some Palestinians that he had previously talked to in Gaza. He went in there and talked to them. He spent some time with some Jewish people that he had previously been to see. But the thing that stuck out to me the most is that he was saying that, first of all, when I read the book, one of the things that blew my mind and maybe because you've been there, you knew this but they want only Palestinian builders. Who wants only Jews? Everybody. Jewish builders For what? For anything that gets built they don't use jewish contractors are really not a thing out there. They're all palestinian contractors. Almost everything that they're building out there is all palestinians. Which I didn't even realize that labor. You mean like yeah, yeah, yeah, like I didn't even realize that it was a thing like that palestinians were coming into israel and building things. I didn't know realize that it was a thing like that Palestinians were coming into Israel and building things. I didn't know that.
Speaker 1:I mean it's pretty weird. It's hard for us to comprehend that. I've been there a number of times, I've been there three or four times. It's really hard for us to understand the geopolitical aspects of what breaks down there. Because you'll be traveling and it's very identifiable when you're there, you'll be in a Jewish community there because you'll be traveling and it's very, it's very identifiable. When you're there, you'll you'll be in a Jewish community and you'll be like oh yeah, this is Jewish. I mean, everything is meticulous, buildings are spotless, the grounds are trimmed, it's just groomed Well, like you can tell.
Speaker 2:And then when you move into an area, that's not any different than going into Beachwood, is it Well?
Speaker 1:yeah, right, but you'll move into Arab-controlled territory and it will be identifiable and then think, but where you can identify that you're in, like, oh okay, we're not in Jewish-controlled territory anymore, now we're in Arab-controlled territory. And then when you get there, but everyone's like when the tourists were there this is my only experience is when tourism was alive and there was a harmonious kind of like relationship, but it was always an underlying tension. That's what I will say Like, no matter where you were, there was tension. You felt the tension. You knew that at any second it just could become explosive.
Speaker 1:You knew that these people held their resentment in check. And these people held their resentment in check. You can feel it, it's tangible. And when you get in and so as a tourist, they're like hey, you're a Christian, I'm a Christian, I love you. They're just there. They're like, hey, you're a Christian, I'm a Christian, I love you, you know. But at the end of the day, like you could feel the tension that exists there. So it was very interesting in all my years of going there and then I had friends that were very militant Jewish, you know. Like, like there was, there was a outward display, vehement display of disdain towards I don't know if they can ever fix that over.
Speaker 1:He will never fix it. It is biblical. It's been there from the beginning of time. Esau and Jacob had it and it will never end. There will always be conflict in the Middle East, but here's what I will say is that land does not belong. There's no such thing as Palestinian land. That land belongs to Israel. You can open up your Bible, you can read from Genesis to Revelation and you can see. But they lost it, though they did not lose it. It is the inheritance of the Jewish people, but they lost it and more it is the inheritance.
Speaker 1:You can argue with me, but you can take that book, open it up and you can see. In the book of Joshua you could go to Joshua and read how many feet long each described piece of property belongs to each part of the tribes of Israel. All of that land, all of it, 100% belongs to Israel and everyone can argue about it all they want and you could take the sides all you want. But history tells us there's a historical account of the distribution of that land and it started in Genesis and it'll be summed up when there's a holy war that will take place in Armageddon at the end of time. That's where the showdown of the nations will gather. Elijah and mount carmel is is a great story to read if you really want to see what's going, what's getting ready to go down. Oh, god will deal with the nations right up, right at mount carmel, and it's all going to take place but they've already lost it.
Speaker 2:That's my whole point. They've had a war and lost it and then we gave it back to them in 48, like they lost it, they lost it, they lost it, you. They can lose it all they want Just like, just like, just like that little strip of land.
Speaker 1:I'm telling you that strip of land regardless of what man wants to do with it. I'm just telling you what the Bible says. That land belongs to Israel. It is the promised, the promised land. That's the promised land. Everybody talks about the promised land. That is it promised land. Everybody talks about the promised land. That is it Israel, the nation of Israel. There's no West Bank in the Bible. There's no control, it's all.
Speaker 2:Israel's land. How come that Bible doesn't talk about America? It does.
Speaker 1:What does it say? It does I mean I'm not an eschatologist, I want to hear this.
Speaker 1:I've never heard of it, but there is, there's, there's um well, it doesn't overtly make reference to America, but it makes reference to powers, that global powers. It makes me. If you read like books like uh Daniel, if you read books like uh revelation, you you can see references to like and these heads that are on the dragon. You can read them and you can see that, yes, there are references to authority powers. Nobody really knows what all of those references mean, those prophetic references really mean. Some of them are pretty historical and they've already been worked through, but but I believe there are definitely references to power, authorities that are there. Now, how you identify them, like you, you you would need an eschatologist that that studies that and stays there. I don't, I don't really stay there.
Speaker 2:So I just, I just curious, but anyways, he said that there was a lot of Jewish people that believed that Palestine and Israel could come to a good agreement, an easy agreement. But when they dropped into the neighborhoods and just started kicking in the door and shooting everybody, the neighborhoods that they were dropping, that they attacked, those were the ones that were not pro-Palestine, not to say pro-Palestine, but they were the ones that had hope that there could be an agreement reached with Palestine. So they did a lot of damage by doing that, like a ton of damage, because the people that were on their side are the ones they went after. You know what I mean? That's what he was saying in the book essentially Because they lived up against Gaza, they thought it was safe, they felt like there was no real threat there.
Speaker 1:There was no threat to their communities. Yeah Well, the sympathizers for terrorists, sympathizers are equally. I mean you might as well just be that If you're a sympathizer, you might as well just be that. If you're a sympathizer, you might as well just be that. So a terrorist doesn't see in shades of sympathy, they're just terrorists.
Speaker 2:That's what makes them terrorists. No, I get that. I'm just saying they did a lot of damage by doing that. That was the biggest. But I mean, I don't think that can ever be resolved. Everything I've read on that and then like, uh, amanda's friend, you know that that's palestinian we were talking about and it's like that you could just tell like she's a sweetheart. They're wonderful people they're. They're great to deal with. I, like you know we, we broke bread with them there. There's nothing wrong with their wonderful people. They're very we're all just people, man. But they 100% believe the same as anybody that's in Gaza. I promise they believe that wholeheartedly. They believe, like, that Jewish people are just there to steal their land and that they're violent towards Palestinians and that they don't believe that they're being terrorists over there. They don't believe that Ham're being terrorists over there. They don't believe that Hamas is a terrorist.
Speaker 1:They don't believe that because they need to legitimize the seed of Ishmael in order to retain the blessing of God. God blessed Isaac. The Bible says that in Isaac your seed shall be blessed. God blessed Isaac. He didn't bless Ishmael, he blessed Isaac. Isaac was't bless Ishmael, he blessed Isaac. Isaac was the promised son to Abraham, and if you ask them to explain those stories to you, they will not make Isaac the promised son, they will make Ishmael the promised son. Abraham had one son that came to him in his old age. It was his only son that came from him and it was Isaac. And so in order to attempt to legitimize that because all of the promise belongs to the lineage of Isaac, from Isaac the promised son, so the promised land and all the promises come through Isaac, and in order to legitimize that, you have to come up with a way to say that it isn't Isaac, that Isaac isn't the promised son. You have to legitimize the seed of Ishmael, and the way you do that is you develop a post-resurrected God that creates a religion of Islam, a religion of Islam that legitimizes the seed of Ishmael, makes them the promised land. Then you then you then you take, you take captive, holy, holy sites in Israel and you hold them and you, you sit on them and you say these, this is the place where Abraham sacrificed, not Isaac, but this other kid. You know, because they know they have to legitimize that. But that's just the Bible. I'm not telling you. That's not my theory on it, that is 100%.
Speaker 1:You start in Genesis and you just read through Genesis. You don't even need to read the rest of the Bible. You need to read Genesis and get a good understanding of who the promised people of God are Now. Then you flip to the New Testament and you see that in Christ all are made the promised sons. That's the hope to the Gentile you and me. That's the hope to the Palestinian. That's the hope to the German, that's the hope to every sinner alive is that in Christ he makes us all promised children. That faith in Jesus now makes us a son and a daughter of God. That's the promise of Christ. So that's the resolution, that's the only resolution that ultimately will come to humanity is you must give your life to Jesus and you give your life to Jesus, you become. There's no Jew, there's no Gentile in Christ. There's only born again. Not born again, there's only promised children. That's it. You come to Jesus. You're a promised child.
Speaker 2:That's the miracle of the gospel. I was shocked that Palestinians even had, like Muslims had, jesus in their religion. I didn't even realize that. But it can't be God, no.
Speaker 1:He's different. There's a problem with the gospel there. You read through the gospels, yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm not here to say anyone's right or wrong.
Speaker 2:That's my problem I guess that's why I won't that's why I won't sign up, because, well, you know what the bible says. I, I mean, I grew up with christian beliefs, a hundred percent, I mean, and I went to bible study and I read a little bit of the bible, but not a whole lot, but I just, it's just, it's been written by man and and everybody's has been written by man, and who's to say who's right and who's wrong? That's the problem I have with it. I have no doubt that. There's no that that God exists. I have no doubt that Jesus was, you know, the son of God. I have none of that as a doubt to me. But I do have doubt of how the scripture reads. It's like when I ask you, why doesn't they mention you know, america's? I mean, you would think if it was written by God, america would have been brought up even before it was discovered. It would have been brought up. You know what I mean? Well, it probably is.
Speaker 1:It's just not named America, it's named something else.
Speaker 2:No, I haven't read it, I don't know, I'm not. I'm not saying it was, but it was it, just it, just well, in that region in the region it just seems like where the scriptures were written, uh, consequentially, like america, was not of significance at the moment.
Speaker 1:Now you get, you get into the later pages of time, where it's about to fold and things are about to be summed up. Well, there there is a power structure that I believe. I don't. Like I said, I'm not a big, uh, eschatology teacher. I I preach the gospel, but but there are many who've committed their life to that and I'm sure you could find a lot of those references and they would make them, but I don't think that you know, it's all. The language is very, is very, translatable universally.
Speaker 2:No, I'm not saying that, but at any point it was still typed by hands of human flesh, it's the purest?
Speaker 1:Maybe, no, not. Maybe you ask anybody. Mathematically, it's impossible for any book to be as preserved as the Bible has been through the pages of time.
Speaker 2:I don't disagree with that.
Speaker 1:It is the most well-preserved manuscript ever written.
Speaker 2:I don't disagree with any of that. I don't disagree with any of that.
Speaker 1:The prophetic probability. The probability that even two of the prophecies would be fulfilled is staggering. Like mathematicians would laugh at you if you were to say yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a probability, it's just staggering, would laugh at you if you were to say yeah yeah, yeah, that's a probability.
Speaker 2:It's just staggering, but my hand mine isn't the first hand, not the copy. Since it's the first hand, it was still a human hand.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you should research a little of that because the Bible addresses a lot of that and it took painstaking efforts to make sure that that's what scribes were. They were the ones that would copy the stuff down, and it was just the effort and the pain that went into making sure that the translations of the Holy Text were preserved were just amazing. Jesus makes reference to it in the New.
Speaker 2:Testament. No, I'm not saying that. I'm not ever doubting that from the first time it was written until now, we're reading similar, very, very similar. I believe that that's never the question. I'm saying it's dependable. I'm just saying that first one was still written with human hands.
Speaker 1:That's where I have issue the scriptures say that it was written under the unction and the direction of God.
Speaker 2:Well, what else would it say? What else would it say? Why would it say anything? But why would it?
Speaker 1:I mean yeah, I mean it's human hands. You needed to say that.
Speaker 2:I mean it's human hands. Regardless, it was human hands that touched it. Regardless, at the very least, doesn't take away from a lot of it, doesn't take away God exists. It's there, you feel it, you know it's there, you know that it's there, you feel it and we've all felt it, and I suspect, but that doesn't mean that that one person that wrote that book the very first time before it ever got translated was correct.
Speaker 1:That's the problem, Jim. It wasn't one person translated was correct.
Speaker 2:That's the problem, jim.
Speaker 1:It wasn't one person, there were 44 authors, 64 plus authors, 66 books over the span of thousands of years, all telling the same story. How do you account for that? The book of Esther, for instance, it's a historical book, but there was actually a queen and there was actually a Persian king that God hid himself brilliantly within history and chose not to be revealed until later. Like it's just staggering. When you begin to read the scriptures and then connect them to one another, you're like how in the world did the guy who wrote, how did Moses, understand the full context of what he was writing to the author of Matthew? It's insane how they tie together. The cross-references alone are just impossible. It's impossible that the cross-references will be there, the proto-evangelium found in Genesis 3.15 to the gospel found in John 3.16, that there was a reference to the gospel in Genesis.
Speaker 1:The opening passages of Genesis, genesis 3.15,. His heel shall bruise your head. Opening passages of Genesis, genesis 3.15,. His heel shall bruise your head. And then Jesus comes along and he dies on Golgotha and his heel. From his heel, the blood of his sacrifice drops down and defeats the work of Satan in that same territory. It's without question on that, on that same, in that same territory. It's, it's, it's without question, like you can question it, but you, you're like wow, that's.
Speaker 2:That's a lot, man. I'm just saying there's gotta be some inaccuracies. It has to be.
Speaker 1:It's touched by the inaccuracies that exist are all superficial. They're all superficial, but nothing of substance can be disputed through through any of the text. And that's not me talking. You can do your own research.
Speaker 2:And how come? Like doesn't the Catholic Church cut shit out too Well, I mean, they're ruled by the papacy, but they have cut stuff out of the Bible, correct?
Speaker 1:They only give you what they want to give you.
Speaker 2:I thought that's the problem with structures of religion, but now does the Catholic Church, so their Bible is very different than just a regular King James that I have at home.
Speaker 1:I've not necessarily held an actual Catholic Bible in my hand, but they don't necessarily want, from what I understand, the average Catholic reading their Bible Bible. They want to interpret it for you and that's the whole idea of the priesthood that they have established. They want your confession to come through a priest and they want to. They want to offer. You know you have to go, do these things, but that's not what the Bible tells us. The Bible tells us that we have free access to our high priest, jesus, that we don't need to go through a priest any longer. We don't need. The structures of religion were dismantled when Jesus hung on a cross and died. The structures of the priesthood were gone away with, because now the veil of the temple rent in two and now we have free access to Jesus. So we don't need to go through a priest to be forgiven. We can go straight to Jesus and be forgiven. What's this guy doing? He should come sit right there.
Speaker 2:Guido, come and sit in his odd spot that he's never sat in before. Yeah, I don't even know which mic he would be on you get. You want to come in or no? No, no, he's just gonna sit over there, hover he's puerto rican, so you know he's Catholic, is that it? That's just how it goes, dude.
Speaker 1:It's your birthright right Catholic. You have Catholic backgrounds.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's their birthright it always has been.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, it doesn't matter the structure, the scriptures are clear you must be born again to be saved, to be rescued to receive the salvation of Christ, you must be born again. That doesn't come through the confession to a man, that comes only to the confession of Christ. So any structure of religion that exists to serve as a middleman, we don't need it. We don't need it. It's done, it's over.
Speaker 2:That's what's wrong with the papacy. I don't disagree with that, but they feel they're born again though.
Speaker 1:They might feel it, they might think that might be the case, but only the Spirit can decide that. I mean, you know, the Spirit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the Spirit. I think the Spirit knows that. The Spirit knows that.
Speaker 1:The Spirit knows that I can't search Gito's art. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:I don't know, but the Spirit can, but the Spirit can Right.
Speaker 1:So that's where I think you're all right, and the Word and you'll know the Spirit by the Word. The Spirit will never contradict the Word, the Word of God. If you go, if your Spirit's, if you say I sense my Spirit's telling me to do something, well go check what the Bible says you, not the word. The word is never wrong. The word is there's no way.
Speaker 2:But if you had to write a book right now and you wanted to deceive people, wouldn't you put in there the book is the word's never going to be wrong, wouldn't you put that in there? I mean, I would.
Speaker 1:I'm not saying the difference between me, the difference between me writing the book and God writing the book. God didn't write the book. Oh, he did.
Speaker 2:That's what the Bible says, that he did, of course, but I would say, god wrote this book as I was writing it. He said that, men, you see what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Yes, but he said that's a fair statement.
Speaker 1:The difference between me writing it and God writing it is that God proves himself in what he wrote thousands of years, with 44 authors, 66 books, thousands of years, prophecies in the probably near 2000s, all of those prophecies proving that God wrote it. Now you can contradict, you can not believe that, but the prophetic probability of that being the case, it's laughable. It's laughable that these prophecies would come forward, that Isaiah would prophesy Isaiah thousands of years before he ever showed up on the scene, to a description that says he was bruised for our iniquities, the chastisement of our peace was laid upon him and by his stripes we are healed. Like that is a reference to Christ that Isaiah penned 1500 years before I think it's 1500 years before Jesus was even born, let alone the 30 years after where he, he lives in a sinless life and and and uh, the virgin shall shall bring forth a child. Like he says those words, jesus fulfilled them. Like it's just, it's a staggering.
Speaker 1:And I, if I wrote the book, I wouldn't like, you'd know I would, the jig would be up, because I wouldn't have the, the ability to prove what I wrote is actually from God. But God, god actually, like he wrote the book, use men to do it. And despite our you know our fallen nature and our broken nature, despite all of that, he still used us to prove that he is the author of life. He still proves that he wrote the book using sinful man and fallen man to do it Like it's just saying the whole thing.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying it's fallible, it has to be, it's not fallible.
Speaker 1:The Bible says to the self it's not fallible.
Speaker 2:But what else would it say, is my point. What else would it say?
Speaker 1:But it's proved that it's not. That's my point. It's proved that it's not. It's proved over and over and over again that it's the most trustworthy source given to man that could ever be available. And we and we and we don't look at it, we don't so then, how can?
Speaker 2:how, if that's the case what you're saying, it is the case, I, okay, so that's the case. Then why is there 40 different religions reading the same book, getting a different design from?
Speaker 1:I don't know that because they're they're attempting to use the most powerful force available on the planet for their own agenda and their own, their own desires. It's the same reason we use nuclear bombs for our, you know.
Speaker 2:I mean, I think that, like Jewish people, genuinely don't believe Jesus is the Messiah.
Speaker 1:The Bible says that the Jewish people who have not come to Christ live with a veil over their face. That's what the Bible says. The Bible says that they, the Jewish people who have not received Christ yet, live with a veil. They can't see Christ. But there will be a day when Christ comes and the veil will be removed, the Bible says, and they will see him whom they have pierced. That's what the Bible says.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, but that's just one other religion. Everybody reads it different. That's all I'm saying. How can one book be the greatest book and the only book that counts? But everybody has a different account of it. But we're supposed to believe that it was written under perfect accounting.
Speaker 1:Most people don't read it with the intent of allowing God to speak. They read most of us read the scriptures to see ourselves in it, to prove what we already believe. That's what most of us do. Most of us approach yeah, that's 100%. We read that thing and we say prove. And we read it for evidence of what we already believe. Most people that come to me for counseling don't want counseling. They want information for already established belief system. And when once I challenged that belief system, it's an incorrect belief system you have suddenly, then now they're mad I don't believe what you believe anymore, I only believe what I believe. But I'm only telling you what the Bible says. And so my point to this type of criticism is like, hey, what else are you going to trust? You want to trust like let's pull out of Britannica, let's trust it.
Speaker 2:I don't trust that either.
Speaker 1:Well, I'm saying like what else? But my point is, with the reliability of the Holy Bible, what else is more reliable for us to say these are the rules for society? This, ultimately, should be how we live our life. What else should we use? Should we use the Constitution?
Speaker 1:As much as I'm a patriot, I still don't believe the Constitution has the answers for the longings of life. That's only found in the Holy Book of the Lord. So I'm like, as far as I can tell, I've read a little bit and as far as I can tell by reading. So I'm like, as far as I can tell, I've read, I've read a little bit, and as far as I can tell by reading, I'm like man, that thing's it the moment I experienced God on that level. I'm like this is what I've been searching for my whole life and so like that's, that's all I'm saying, like just show me something else more reliable and I'll consider it. But until then, listen, homie, this is it. I'm telling you, I've looked at a bottle, I've looked at a bed, I've looked at a drug, I've looked at power, I've looked at it all. This is the only thing that's done it for me. And I'm not telling you you have to do it or you don't have to do what I'm doing. I'm just telling you.
Speaker 2:I found this thing to be 100% the truth, that's all I'm saying, okay, yeah, I'm just asking, it's a quick, simple question. Yeah, yeah, and I'm just saying it's just. There's a lot of interpretations and I don't know how everybody says it with the same conviction that you nah sure they do. Nah, a hundred percent.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Nah they might say it, but they're not proven agenda. I'm telling you that that Bible, every day when I read it, it fixes me. I don't read it to fix you, I read it to fix me. And every day when I read it I can't get three sentences in without it doing something to me. It's alive. The Bible says it is alive and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, Like it's just the.
Speaker 2:Bible, but those other people that believe it Palestinians, they believe what they believe. Jewish Palestinians they believe what they believe. Jewish people they believe what they believe. Catholic people they believe what they believe. Yeah, you know what the problem with deception?
Speaker 1:is Jehovah Witness. They believe what they believe. You know what the problem with deception is.
Speaker 2:Yeah, go ahead. You don't know you're deceived. What about Jehovah Witnesses? What do you think about their? Have you ever paid attention to theirs?
Speaker 1:Yeah, of theirs. Yeah, a little bit. It's false religion. It's a false religion. Why? What do you mean? Why it's a false religion like? I don't know why it's premised on, not the salvation of christ. It's premised on the works of man and a couple of scriptures that they pulled out of context in order to substantiate a truth that's false, like the whole, like there's only here's the question with that. Like here, any, any, any?
Speaker 2:average person. I'm not a very smart person.
Speaker 1:I didn't know anything about Jehovah Witnesses. Okay, so they say that there's only a certain amount of people that will be saved. Right, and the problem with that is why are you knocking on my door? If there's only a certain amount of people that can go to heaven, stop knocking on doors, don't you want to be one of those people? Right?
Speaker 2:that doesn't make any sense. Why are you trying to proselytize the whole world? Isn't that what it is? I don't know. I don't know it in full context. I think you've got to earn your way in.
Speaker 1:I don't know it in full context, but I know what I wouldn't be doing Knocking on somebody else's door if there's only a limited amount of seats available, to go to heaven.
Speaker 2:I'm trying to keep one of those Pop. I mean when Jehovah Witness first started, you know there was a lot more room.
Speaker 1:Bill Gates is a Jehovah's Witness, is he? I don't know? We make up shit. I said it because of Bill Gates. I'm trying to lower the population of the planet, because I'm trying to get on that bus.
Speaker 2:I felt stupid. I was on a job site. I did nothing about Jehovah Witnesses, yeah, and I said something about I forget what it was. One of the guys that I knew was a Jehovah Witness and I knew nothing about him, except they knock on my damn door, and I said something about. I said, yeah, you probably wouldn't feel that way if you were living your life for Jesus.
Speaker 1:And that's the spirit of truth came out of your belly man. That's definitely what happened, and he goes.
Speaker 2:I've lived my whole life for Jesus. What are you talking about?
Speaker 1:Okay, so here's what I'm going to blow your mind.
Speaker 2:I didn't realize they were Christians. I didn't even know that.
Speaker 1:They're not. I'm going to blow your mind with that. Yeah, I mean, unless you're a born-again Catholic, you're not a Christian, and that's just a generic term they used for anybody who just kind of vaguely believes in one portion or dimension of the Bible. But I'm going to tell you, any structure of religion is a false religion. Any structure of religion that exists today is a false religion. Jesus did not come to establish a new religion. He abolished the religion, the religious systems of his day. He put them to bed. He fulfilled the Judaism, he fulfilled the law. He fulfilled every requirement of structured religion. He fulfilled it. And so, if you ask me, I'm telling you he put away structured religion and today all we have left is the model of the new church that he set forth in the first century. That model is hey, trust in Jesus and follow him. Everything else is rubbish.
Speaker 2:Everything else is trash. Be led by the Spirit, so you're just straight Christian. Your church is like open Christian, right. So here's what I'm going to bring.
Speaker 1:Non-denominational, non-structured religion. Right, so here's what I'm going to bring Non-denominational, non-structured religion. We believe in the precedence of the early church, precedence of the Bible and the precedence of the life of Christ. That's what you believe, yeah, everything else is trash.
Speaker 1:I like that. Everything else is trash. Everything else is structured to put man at the top and lesser men at the bottom. What about Baptists? I'm telling you, if you say anything that you put out, there is just a false religion. So you're telling me, jesus I don't want to get myself in trouble because a lot of people, baptist is the same. No, it's not. It's saying you must be baptized to go to heaven. But the problem with that is there was a guy on a cross that was dying and didn't have a chance to come down and get baptized. But Jesus said to that man today you will be with me in paradise. He didn't have time to get baptized. But Baptists believe and I've not studied every religion, but I know that Jesus came to fulfill the law.
Speaker 1:Structured religion is of no consequence to those who are born again. It's very simple. We complicate it with structured religion. That's why a non-denominational church if you're truly a non-denominational church, then your truth doesn't go before your the revelation of Christ. Your truth is Christ, it is Christ, it's not. It's not like. These are our tenants tenets of truth.
Speaker 2:It's Jesus. That's exactly the same If it was.
Speaker 1:they wouldn't be Baptist. Now would they? They'd just be Christian, They'd just be believers.
Speaker 2:The only thing that I noticed that they did in a Baptist church was things were structured and I never thought that that was cool. I didn't like that, like you have an hour of Mass or you have a half hour of that, or what. Everything was set and everybody and they stuck to their time limits. You know what I mean and that to me is weird. Like I mean God can't be talking to you and be like hey, wait, I got, I ain't got enough time. That's weird to me.
Speaker 1:So the presence of Jesus is the priority of the church, and if it's not, then it's a structure of religion that Jesus came to abolish.
Speaker 2:But I mean, that's the only difference they have, in my opinion, Just the baptism.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean you do baptism, I do baptism, but I don't tell you that I don't place the doctrine of baptism higher than the person of Christ.
Speaker 2:I don't believe that the. Baptist Church does either.
Speaker 1:Well, if they didn't, they wouldn't be called Baptists.
Speaker 2:No, I don't know. I don't think I agree with that, but maybe you're right.
Speaker 1:Then what is a Baptist? I didn't go to a.
Speaker 2:Baptist church and ever think that the most important thing was getting baptized.
Speaker 1:Well then tell me what a Baptist is. Then they were just Christians, Then why?
Speaker 2:are they?
Speaker 1:called Baptists.
Speaker 2:Because they're from the South and they're hillbillies and they do what they do.
Speaker 1:That's a real strong perspective. A lot of thought into that one, Jim Puerto Ricans are Catholic.
Speaker 2:Oh my God. Baptists are from the South. What do you want from?
Speaker 1:me. This is how it goes, man. That's the hot take I want from you. Puerto Ricans are Catholic. He'll really belong from a Baptist church. Don't go forward, leave us out of it. What did he say?
Speaker 2:He said leave us out of it.
Speaker 1:Leave my people out of it Anyhow. So yeah, man, that's that would be what I would say Like, look man, just put Jesus in front of everything else. Just pursue Jesus. What about Pentecostal? What do they do wrong they believe in? Speaking in tongues is the only thing right. That's what a Pentecostal is like, the day of Pentecost. So they all, they, they. They put Pentecost above Jesus. The person of Jesus and I'm saying everything must come underneath the person of Jesus. The presence of Jesus must be the priority.
Speaker 2:I would think the Pentecost would tell you the same thing.
Speaker 1:Well then they wouldn't be called Pentecostals. I don't know, I really don't. Jesus didn't reference us as Pentecostals. He didn't reference us as Baptists. You know what he called us Disciples? Do you think they're speaking in tongues, though, for real, or are they just? Oh yeah, they're speaking in tongues, is real dude in the pentecostal church.
Speaker 1:That's real when they're doing that it's true in the church, not just the pentecostal church, like in in the, the reason the baptists are jacked up is because they resist the speaking of tongues. But it's in the bible. You can't get away with it and and the presence it's. You know what the? You know what tongues are, and this is the best way I can explain it to you. Tongues happen when the presence of God becomes so heavy in an experience that your language runs out of earth and suddenly there is a language that comes from you. That is spirit. That's what happens. That's the best way I can describe what happens when you pray and you speak from a tongue. It's the language of earth runs out and the language of heaven takes over. That's the best way I can describe it for you. But it is real and it is throughout the Scripture.
Speaker 2:I mean as a kid I went to Pentecostal church and I would not— I heard tongues, yeah, but I would not agree that anybody felt that that was the higher up of any means. It's almost like stubbing your toe.
Speaker 1:Yes, there you go. That was pretty good. That was good. He said. Gino said that's like stubbing your toe. That was good. He said. Gino said that's like stubbing your toe.
Speaker 2:Because in that moment of pain, what's going to come out is whatever. I didn't believe that in any. Anybody in the Pentecostal church felt that way. I don't. I don't believe that or buy that. I went to church there too long to believe that, well there is a.
Speaker 1:There is a structured of religion that they would place it's just more important, right, it's just more important. It's just more important. It may not, but if you didn't operate according to the Pentecostal structure Very few spoken tongues, very few. But if you didn't operate with whatever their rules for Pentecost are, they're strict. So then, if you don't obey the rules of the Pentecostals, then you're not a Pentecostal. Well, would a Jesus did Jesus say these rules are what we should abide by.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's how they feel. Yeah, but well, they feel they're in the Bible, but it's like. It's like like Terry Goffey who now he sings that Johnny Cash tribute or whatever. It's like Terry Goffey who now he sings that Johnny Cash tribute or whatever. He was a gospel singer and that's who I would go to Pentecostal churches with.
Speaker 2:You can't miss it if he just placed Jesus at the center. But they believe 100% that in the Bible it's telling them that they should do the things that they're doing. You know what I mean. But like Terry said, he goes. I've read the Bible. But like Terry said, he goes. I've read the Bible. He goes and he goes. They can make the argument that a man should not wear the hair you know below his collar. That's a fair argument. He goes. But he said it also says that treat your body like a temple, and I don't think that means slamming back 30 Diet Cokes. No, treating your body like a temple.
Speaker 1:No, that's not that.
Speaker 2:So I mean, he are picking what they're. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Right. That's why the person of Jesus is the fulfillment of all the requirements. Yeah, you see that you find Jesus. He'll fulfill all the requirements. I can't possibly wear the right clothes, say the right words, do all the right. I can't fulfill it. That's why the person of Jesus takes precedence over all of the structure.
Speaker 2:I don't understand why we got to do that. Anyways, jesus got to have long hair and wear a dress.
Speaker 1:That doesn't make any sense anyway, because if you read the scriptures you'll see that it says that John the Baptist came. He was wild. He came eating honey and wild locusts and you think he was out there getting getting a trim. You know no no the elijah was.
Speaker 1:Elijah was a hairy man, and you know. So the samson, no, it's all. Yeah, so the contextually, but I wouldn't even go there. I would just say look, man, if you just make Jesus the precedence of your relationship, then all of you will fulfill other rules, but I don't think Jesus is going to let hippies into heaven.
Speaker 2:Oh man for sure there's a bunch of hippies. No way, yeah, man.
Speaker 1:Man, I got some worship leaders that kind of got a hippie vibe going on. Man, they know how to sniff Jesus out. They take their shoes off One dude named Caleb.
Speaker 2:Nah, hippies can't come into that. Hippies are coming.
Speaker 1:Hippies are welcome, for sure. Hippies, definitely, definitely no hippies. Yeah, the Jesus movement. You didn't watch that movie. Oh, you have to watch that. I don't watch a lot of movies. Dude, jesus movement. Watch the Jesus movement with Kramer. He played the. He played the pastor during the hippie movement. It was the Jesus. I think it's the Jesus movement somebody. Where do I find it, though? It's Netflix anywhere. That's like, yeah, anywhere, just just Jesus movement. Yeah, it's the movie. You gotta watch it. It's actually historical account of the hippie movement. A lot of revivals.
Speaker 2:Did you read Chaos yet?
Speaker 1:I haven't read it yet. No, I've got stacks of books at home, man, I've got to take a picture to show you I'm making my way through and I'm trying not to over-consume. When I over-consume I get real chaos. My mind just goes in a thousand different directions. So I got to like I read some of my devotions in the morning. I'll get up, I'll read like this this little devotion book that I have morning and evening devotion. I read them both in the morning and then I'll read one chapter in my Bible, all the. You know I could feel a lot of people judging me for that, but I feel like if you read the Bible accurately, one chapter is more than enough to fix you. And I don't read that for content, for for ministry. I read that just like God, holy Spirit, show me, show me.
Speaker 2:How do you pick which chapter?
Speaker 1:I just go in order I like, and right now I'm in, I'm in Acts eight, so tomorrow I'll be in Acts nine, you know. So I just read a chapter a day and then I have other stuff that I read. Now that's just in the morning, and then as I study for sermons or something, then I'll read more. I'll read more, but I've read the scriptures through. I've read the Bible through many, many times. There was a time in my life when I would read 20, 30 chapters a day, you know, and so you move through the book pretty fast when you're reading like that.
Speaker 1:But I got to the point to where I wasn't. I wasn't, um, I wasn't appreciating the richness of the text. So I slowed down. I slowed way down Like no, no, there's something here in just one chapter. There's more than enough for me in one chapter. So I'm like God, speak to me in this one chapter, tell me what I need to know today, give me revelation in just this one chapter, show me you in this one chapter, and I just read it, real slow, and I just it, just it comes alive, comes alive.
Speaker 1:The most boring passages of the Bible suddenly have rich and depth and they reach back and they touch other things and they they reprove me, correct me, encourage me, strengthen me, heal me, bless me, favor me, like you can. Just, yeah, that's how I read it and then so when I, when I study, I just read. Then then I'm consuming content Like that's where all my other stuff comes in. I'll, I'll, I'll YouTube stuff and just watch a barrage of stuff to get another good one is if it, if people don't know, it's called the Bible project. If you ever just wanted summaries of the books of the Bible, you just wanted a good understanding. You never did.
Speaker 2:No, I don't know, if I do, I want to do it myself. I wouldn't want to do it the way you're doing it, and I want to make my own mind up about it. Yeah.
Speaker 1:But if you wanted a contact, like a contextual understanding, the good, a good YouTube references the Bible project and it just kind of gives you a historical understanding of what that book meant at the time and what God was saying at the time. It doesn't. It doesn't give any, you know, op-ed, it doesn't. It doesn't give any, you know op-ed. It doesn't give any opinion, it just it just gives the historical account of what was written.
Speaker 2:And it doesn't bother you at all that the earth is so big, it's so so much, and those 66 people that wrote the book all were in that area 66 books.
Speaker 1:There was 44 plus authors.
Speaker 2:yes, 44, yeah, whatever you said.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's astonishing to me that 44 plus authors 66 books.
Speaker 2:Were all in the same area.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's crazy that they could speak such relevancy to me over here in America. That's crazy. That freaks me out. What really freaks me out? And I've traveled the world a little bit. I've been to Africa, I've been to Israel, germany, I've been to Paris, I've been to Haiti. So I've traveled a little bit and what's really crazy to me is that I've been all over Africa. What was crazy to me was when I walked into a service in Uganda, like up near Sudan, and they were.
Speaker 2:Somebody listens to me in Uganda? Yeah, I don't know why. Wow, not here, but bar talk.
Speaker 1:It was crazy that when they were having services I don't know what they're singing, I don't know what they're saying, but the spirit was so like I'm weeping, I'm crying. That was probably one of the top Three experiences I've ever had with god was when I walked into a room full of these children from war-torn Uganda by that crazy guy. During the time I forget his name, but he was like he. He would make these kids his, his warriors, and he would take six year olds and make them murder people. And so this girl, this woman named Carol Ward, who lives on the battlefield there, she would go get these kids and get them saved, give them, give them a life in Jesus and then bring them to her orphans. They, they were praying. I walked into the room and they were praying and you heard their prayers from and they had been praying all night. They prayed for 24 hours straight, didn't stop. We walked into the room.
Speaker 1:I'm telling you, never in my life have I felt that kind of presence, like I couldn't stand up. I literally fell down to the ground, weeping and sobbing. Like what is this? I'm in and this one kid's in the corner just banging on this drum, tears coming down his face just banging on a drum. These other kids are just walking in a circle praying. The presence of Jesus was so heavy you couldn't stand up. Everyone on my team just hit the deck. I was like, oh my gosh, what is this? So that's what's crazy to me. It's like I have church. What is this? So that's what's crazy to me. It's like I have church. A certain way, you have church, they have church, but then you go to another part of the planet and all of a sudden it's the same Jesus. It's a different tongue, it's a different color person, but it's the same Christ. That's what's astonishing. And they use that same holy book by the way.
Speaker 2:That's why I said God is there, regardless, regardless, god is there, you know that exists, you can feel that. You know that, you can feel that strongly and I felt that in many churches.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it doesn't make me question the Bible. It makes me trust the Bible more as a source, because it's the same scriptures being being fulfilled, being being examined, being preached, being sung yeah, yeah, I just ask.
Speaker 2:I just wonder if you ever doubt it. That's all. I'm not asking if you ever doubt god.
Speaker 1:I'm asked to ask you if you ever doubt there were times I doubt where god's taken me, like you know. But I've never once I received him. I don't think I ever doubted him, his existence. I've doubted where he's taking me on plenty of times Like, nah, I don't doubt, what did he take you? State world, well, bad world. You know what I mean. Suffering world, suffering world, or pain, or decisions you don't want to make. You know and you think, oh, god will never put more on you than you can bear. That's what I said. God must think I'm as tough as nails. Oh yeah, give you all that stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he must think that. He definitely thinks that. For sure man, for sure, 100%. Yeah, alright, we gotta get out of here because I got everybody harassing me what they want. I gotta put my orders in, get them in orders. Merry Christmas everybody. Yeah, we're coming up on Merry Christmas and the end of the year.
Speaker 1:Gotta come to my Christmas Eve service Church on the North Coast. That's a great idea. Yeah, christmas Eve, I like that. We have the biggest snowball fight ever. What if there's no snowballs? We got snowballs. We buy them. We got thousands of snowballs. How do you buy snowballs? Yeah, we got these little cushioned cottony snowballs little cushy cottony snowballs. Every year we have the biggest. We buy more snowballs. Every year we have the biggest snowball fight. Have your family come out, alright, sounds fun.
Speaker 2:Bye guys, peace.
