Aruba: More Than Just Sandy Beaches with Hyro Oduber

Can you feel the warm Caribbean breeze and the sand between your toes? This week, I'm taking you on a virtual journey to the paradise island of Aruba. With the help of local YouTuber Hyro Oduber from Let's Go with Hyro, you'll learn everything you need to know about this tropical paradise - from the best time to visit and navigating the island, to traditional cuisine and hidden gems off the beaten track. It's like having a local tour guide right in your ear!

You might think Aruba is all about white sand beaches and sparkling blue waters - and you wouldn't be wrong! However, there's more to this island than meets the eye. Aruba boasts a rich culture and languages.  It also offers a diverse culinary scene, with a blend of traditional Aruban and Venezuelan dishes. You'll discover the best local eateries and find out how to beat the lunch rush at popular seafood joint, Zee Rover

But what's a vacation without a bit of adventure? Hyro and I will take you on a hiking tour around the island's natural pools, and share our favorite spots for an early morning hike. We'll also introduce you to the island's newest attraction, the Alto Vista Winery.  Get your notebooks ready and let's start planning your Aruban adventure together!

And when you're done, don't forget to check out Hyro's YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/@LetsgowithHyro and that of his girlfriend Marleen: https://www.youtube.com/@traveldutchie

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:02

Welcome to Paradise Perspectives, a podcast about Caribbean travel from the locals perspective, and get ready for some authentic Caribbean travel tips, recommendations and more from the people who live where you vacation Straight from Paradise. I'm your host and island friend, rizal the Traveling Island Girl. Hey you, and welcome to another episode of Paradise Perspectives. I am so glad you are able to make the time for me today to spend with me, but also with my guests, because we're having a guest on the show. You and I and the guest, of course are about to have a very interesting conversation about one of the world's favorite A-word or at least it is in my humble opinion and that A-word is none other than Aruba, definitely one of the most well-known islands in the Caribbean. Thank you, kokomo Song, for putting this island on the map, or further, putting it on the map, because it was already doing well way before Kokomo showed up and, dare I say, it is also the envy of many other islands. But you didn't get that from me, okay.

Speaker 2: 1:09

Now.

Speaker 1: 1:09

Aruba has always been very, very close to my heart and I have spent so many childhood vacations and family vacations there as a kid, back in the day, when I used to still live in Curacao, which was only a 20-minute flight away. So, of course, since my mom also grew up there, we had a lot of family, so I used to go a lot, and then, of course, life happened. I moved away from Curacao. I ended up living in the Netherlands for a few years and then I moved to St Martin and, before I knew it, 20 years had passed since the last time I was there in Aruba. So it's quite a lot of time to be away from a place that you grew up to be so well connected to, right. So, about two years ago, I decided to spend my birthday in Aruba, so I booked my ticket and I did what all of us do when we're excited about a vacation. I started doing my research and thankfully, you know, nowadays we have things like Instagram, Facebook and my go-to, my personal go-to maybe it's because I'm a YouTuber myself, but my go-to is, of course, youtube. So I typed in Aruba and, lord and behold, here comes a list of hundreds of videos, most of them, from visitors and people who have only been there once or twice, who liked Aruba and then had a thing or two to say about it, their top 10s, what so and what not, and. But I was looking for something or somebody that can give me more of an insider look into Aruba and give me some tips and recommendations from a local, because that's the authenticity that I'm looking for when I travel. And then this guy filled my screen and I went from one video of his to the next to the next, and I just couldn't stop watching because he had some valuable info. I mean, his videos are really well done, they're simple, they're to the point, they're direct, and I love that. And then so I did the next best thing and I sent out an email I think it was, or a message and I told him that I would love to collaborate with him. One YouTuber to the next, and thankfully he said yes. So we ended up spending some time together in Aruba and became really really good friends. He took me on an island tour, showed me the greats about Aruba, the things that everybody knows about, but also took me to some really lesser known areas, which I really, really appreciate. Now we've become such good friends that, in fact, when I was thinking about doing this podcast, or starting this podcast, he was the number one person that I could think of, that I needed to have an interview with him.

Speaker 1: 3:48

And today's the day, ladies and gents, we're finally getting Hyro Otterbeer on the show. And Hyro is, like I said, a very well known YouTuber in Aruba. He's a local, born and raised, and he's so funny because he says in his real life he's a travel agent, which is true. He works with his dad in a travel agency there in Oriastat, the downtown area of Aruba. And so I did when he says that I can actually imagine him, you know, suit and tie during the day, and then at night he just turns into YouTube sensation. Hyro, let's go with Hyro. Anyway. It's like my favorite imagination, don't worry about me, anyway. So I thought there was nobody better to actually help us navigate through the good, the great and the amazing about Aruba, right? So here is Hyro, let's take a listen. I have been looking forward to having this conversation with you. And is Hyro Otterbeer from let's Go with Hyro. Hyro, my brother, conta Contana, aruba.

Speaker 2: 4:54

Bonbon. Good morning, Doing good, yes indeed.

Speaker 1: 4:58

Good morning to you too. And, of course, you heard us speak a little bit in our native tongue, which is, of course, papiamento, which is spoken on the ABC Island, aruba, bonera and Curacao, and me being originally from Curacao, hyro and I have that in common. Now, hyro, it has been a while. I mean, we see each other online, we see each other, we chat every so often, checking on each other, but I haven't seen you in two years. So this is very special, even though right now, we're seeing each other over camera and, yes, this is also possibly going to be on YouTube later if you guys want to check in for that and see Hyro for yourself. But this recording right now, I am just so happy to see your face and to actually be talking to you again after a two year Well, you can say two years of friendship, right? I think it's two years ago that we met and became friends and have been in touch ever since. It's really good to have you on the show.

Speaker 2: 6:00

It's an honor to be on your show and it's great to see you again. Also, it's almost when I look back. It's almost crazy how two years has gone by after the crazy couple of years that we've had, but yeah, it's been a fun ride.

Speaker 1: 6:22

So how is it going with your brand? Let's go with Hyro. I mean I've been seeing incredible things. Your YouTube channel is doing better and better. I mean you're doing so well with your audience. Your audience really relates to you and your videos are captivating. I mean, like you can see it in, not only in the views that you get, but also the comments. I also like I always like to listen to read off the comment section of your videos because it's like so interesting how people really really like your stuff. So how's that going?

Speaker 2: 6:54

It's going very well and I'm very grateful for that. As you know more than anyone, creating content is a lot of work, a lot of dedication, a lot of discipline, self-discipline also. I always say that.

Speaker 1: 7:10

Amen for sure.

Speaker 2: 7:12

Another thing that it's creating videos every week or every two weeks even. It takes a lot of time, but it's going good and the nice thing about it for me that when we walk around now people recognize your work.

Speaker 2: 7:31

And it took time, I have to say but, with time it also more and more people are like, wow, I'm watching your videos and such and also, yeah, part of it becomes the business, also side of it and yeah, that's, I can't complain. Really, when I started I never thought honestly that I would be in this position now and I think you can relate also that only you really know how much work and hours and hours you put into it to be where you are.

Speaker 1: 8:14

So now, absolutely and I remember we had this conversation when I was in Aruba and we discussed it and then at that time, both of us we had just started our channel, so it was kind of like in the beginning of it all. I correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you started your channel let's go with Hiro about the same time as I did, and you also started. Well, you started it earlier, but you started concentrating on Aruba because of the pandemic, correct, which is the same thing as for me. I started recording videos about Samaritan because we couldn't travel at that time. So, and now I've become the expert of Samaritan, you have become the expert of Aruba, which was not the intention at all. We were just trying to continue producing and coming out with content. But, yeah, that's that. We found ourselves on a complete different path, but good thing that we did, because, I mean, I'm getting so much valuable information from your videos.

Speaker 2: 9:10

Yeah, correct. Yeah, as you mentioned, I also start as mostly with the intention of because of my work. So I'm in my real life, I'm a travel agent and so we take groups to, you know, other countries and such things, and I thought, well, let me start making travel videos, travel content and where that goes, and first few videos.

Speaker 1: 9:39

No, it was nothing.

Speaker 2: 9:41

Super weird. Then you get the hang of it a little bit and now you're not afraid to film in public and it was a little bit more natural. But I always in my mind I always thought, yeah, eventually I'll make some Aruba video when I'm not traveling, so you still have some, some laughing because I know exactly where you go with this, because for me it's the exact same thing.

Speaker 2: 10:10

But not with the speed and the the needs of a pandemic, and how that quickly changed. So I started with maybe two videos in late 2018 and then 2019. I was able to travel to some very interesting destinations so I thought, wow, this is going good. And then pandemic and but yeah, the Aruba content is right now what I'm mostly focused in. I still have some travel content to add it, but at this point I don't know.

Speaker 1: 10:45

Well, hiro, you're doing a magnificent job, and I mean you. You're hearing it from your audience all the time, and for me, I have to say I'm truly enjoying your videos. Keep on doing what you're doing, because you're doing a really marvelous job at it. So, with that, now that we've, you know, talked about you, and let's go with Hiro, your brand, let's talk about your home paradise of Aruba. How's Dushi Aruba doing?

Speaker 2: 11:09

Aruba is doing good, but very hot lately, you know it's we've had a heat wave, but in general Aruba is doing good. The tourism. We are, however, in a low season right now, just getting to that point where the vacation and stuff is starting, so that should pick up a little bit more. Until the end of the year it's going to just keep picking back up, I assume. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 11:41

Right, and your season runs completely different from ours because Aruba is, of course, not in the hurricane belt, so you guys don't get a really long off season like what we have in San Martin San Martin, of course, center of the hurricane belt. So it's always, like you know, biting on our nails and hoping that we don't get hit. But for us our off season is from June until pretty much mid November. What is your off season in Aruba? Or the time when you don't get a lot of?

Speaker 2: 12:10

crowds. I would say more or less like May, with some some exceptions, some weekend and week exceptions, for example, but up to maybe August or so. And then in between you have the July, of course, for the vacation we do. Last few years we have gotten a lot of tourists in July as well, and even from the videos and from the comments you notice like wow, all of a sudden everybody is mentioning that they're coming in this month or that month. So you do get that trend also from it. But officially the high season would run from, say, mid December to March, and then from there you have like the September, you have like the. I don't know if in English say it like that, but the shoulder season, the shoulder season.

Speaker 1: 13:03

Yeah, exactly the shoulder, the shoulder season.

Speaker 2: 13:05

So but usually I assume I don't own the numbers from Sir Martin, but I assume maybe our shoulder is a little bit higher than yours because of your hurricane.

Speaker 1: 13:18

Yeah, of course our shoulder season is actually also between just shoulder seasons. For those who don't know, this is are the months that are right in between, or at the end of high season and at the beginning of the low season, so it's just those two months in between. So for us it's May. You could say May and June usually, or only the month of May really, and because things you know, the trend keeps changing. It's not the same as previous years and I've really, because of the pandemic, the numbers have changed. We've been getting more and more tourists in our off season, regardless of it being the hurricane season, and I think with you guys it's probably been the same as well.

Speaker 2: 13:58

Yeah, I have noticed this year. I would say May was slow. Right now it's. You can notice it's slow, like you go to certain beaches and it's not as it's busy, but not as busy as it usually is. And maybe I'm going, I'm thinking forward now, but maybe you're going to ask me what is the best season to come to Aruba, something like that.

Speaker 2: 14:24

Yeah, so I would say like why not come in a season like that where you have basically no rain, almost guarantee no rain? I don't, I don't even remember last time it rain and it's well that's so funny because right exactly.

Speaker 1: 14:42

But you know, having, as I was born and raised in Curacao, so our, our weather there was pretty much the same as Aruba, since Aruba is like right next to us, pretty much well, we have Bonera in between, but anyways, we're not talking about Bonera today but pretty much the same, like what we call the desert wetter. That's what we have in the ABC islands, and so I remember that, yeah, it was. It's very hot, almost no rain, while St Martin, on the other hand, is also very hot, but with a little bit more rain than usual, because that's our rainy season is usually usually in August, september. But you know, things have been changing. El Nino and the La Niña have been playing their parts and now, of course, we have this what do you call it? The dust, the Sahara dust, which has been causing this extreme heat. So everything is out of whack, so it's really impossible to tell what temperatures you can expect on either island.

Speaker 1: 15:42

So, continuing our conversation about Aruba, so Aruba, of course, if you ask around, and what I love about Aruba is not only because I used to travel to Aruba a lot when I was a kid, when I was still living in Curacao, and so it was so funny seeing all of that again when I visited two years ago. But what I also love about it, now that I'm living in St Martin, is the comparison, because I get a lot of that. Actually, I don't know if you get it too, but I have been getting those questions sometimes about which one should I visit. Should I visit St Martin or should I visit Aruba? It's actually ridiculous to compare them, because they're so so different but yet kind of similar at the same time. I mean, both of us are really into tourism. Tourism is our bread and butter and so, but it's so such complete diversity between the two of us. It's so, so different. So, of course, if you ask anyone, aruba is very well known for its beaches, but that's not the only thing, is it?

Speaker 2: 16:43

No, it's not. That's also one of almost my unmentioned mottos in my videos that I know people.

Speaker 2: 16:53

I don't know if this happens to you, but, like for me, when I post beach videos, I'm like I'm not even worried, they're gonna do okay, they're gonna do okay or great, but the but when I post other content which I liked to do showing other stuff of Aruba and just to like briefly mentioned maybe, maybe a hiking video, maybe showing a hidden jam of something somewhere or a food related, but then not your typical fancy restaurants, but some local spot and things like that. So yeah there's, there's more to just than just the beaches, then yeah.

Speaker 1: 17:38

Yeah, and that's what I liked about because, let's be completely honest here the reason you and I linked up is because I found you when I was doing my own research before I went to Aruba and I was like I need to contact this guy because my goodness is so much valuable information in your videos, and especially for people like me who want to get a little bit outside of the tourist areas. Like you know, I was, by the way, blew me away to see how Aruba has grown, especially those areas that used to be quiet, like Palm Beach and Eagle Beach. My God, I was. I remember talking to you about that. I was like what the hell happened? Yeah, it's like a complete, it's like a downtown Miami scene.

Speaker 2: 18:23

Really, it has changed a lot it has changed and, to be honest, like, some people will love it, some people would hate it, but I always say, like some things are what what they are and they become became what they became. But yeah, well, with it we have to find a balance somehow. Fortunately, the government keeps trying to, you know, put some areas of nature reserve and things like that, and I do hope that they continue to do that, with its problems, of course, because somewhere against it they want to keep developing and things like that. But then we ask why it gets so hot on the planet, you know yeah, yeah, I just say yes.

Speaker 2: 19:12

But a lot of nice developments, a lot of also condominiums have been built the last few years, and so it's not just the hotels we still have a few that we had, for example the embassy suites that opened recently.

Speaker 1: 19:28

Yeah. And I remember when I was there. We're still under construction, yeah.

Speaker 2: 19:32

So, yeah, it keeps going. I personally hope that at some point we do put at least a pause to it and say, okay, for whatever, 510, 15 years, we're not going to do like any big resource anymore or something like that, and focus also on another direction, maybe the smaller ends and such, which are also booming. I have to admit, yes, but yeah, it is what it is. It's changed a lot. That's what you're absolutely, but that's.

Speaker 1: 20:05

But that is one of the reasons why I love your videos and I think why why you get such a such a big audience too is because people want to know what is outside of those touristic areas, and if it wasn't for you, I wouldn't have discovered that little area which is actually right inside of the touristic area, but you wouldn't even know that, that nature reserve area that we saw together, my goodness, such a beautiful spot, and all the other spots that you showed me, which is a little bit outside of that. So to, and actually what I'm trying to say is that, thanks to you, I have found that a rubah has much more than just beaches and much more than just Palm Beach and and and Eagle Beach. There's so much more outside of that. That's just the tiny part of a rubah.

Speaker 2: 20:56

Yeah, and apart from that, like I always say, like I see potential and everything, and I don't know if that happens with you with your videos, but I think we still have a lot more to to show and to give the world. But sometimes it takes time. You're an island girl and you know how slow we go on the islands before we realize some things or we accept some things. And I still think we we've got some other areas Just to mention, like I think the area of Santa Cruz, for example, has got lots to offer.

Speaker 2: 21:33

So for knit, yeah, I agree area also, and yeah, yeah, it's slowly coming. I think the air BMBs, which are so popular nowadays on a rubah, also start doing their parts, For example, I think and you have stayed there- the airspace for example I have to mention.

Speaker 1: 21:55

It is the air stream is amazing, yeah, and Katerina has done such an amazing job with that, and I was so happy to see that you got to stay in there as well, and it's such a unique place to stay in a rubah.

Speaker 2: 22:09

Definitely so. That's one of those examples. There are more of, yeah, really top places really to stay on the whole island really.

Speaker 1: 22:21

Yeah, I completely agree with you. And then, next to that is the last time that I was there I also stayed in the wine cabin. I don't know if you had a chance to check him out. Mr Cruz, I think, is the owner of it, and he also has a wine place in a rubah in downtown Oriental starts, which I thought was amazing. I visited him there as well. But the wine cabin was one of those unique stays as well, and I remember from one of your videos you did one that was kind of like in a gallery. How was that one?

Speaker 2: 22:52

Oh, that that is very nice Also. So I happened to to see a post on Instagram. I suggested post, so I didn't know about it and and then I contacted them and they said, yeah, I want to work together and let's do something. So that was a very nice experience also. You know it was a beautiful place.

Speaker 2: 23:19

It's a beautiful place, very beautiful place, very well recommended, very nice hosts, very, very nice folks, and it was just to sleep in between art. You gotta try one time. It's very different, I can tell you that. But apart from that, it was just a very enjoyable the swimming pool, everything is so nice.

Speaker 1: 23:43

Yeah, I mean it looked wonderful and I was like, okay, definitely making a little note there that I need to check it out next time when I'm in Aruba. Okay, so you mentioned hiking and I've seen, of course, a couple of your videos, and before, when I met you, I don't think you and Marlene were quite dating yet.

Speaker 2: 24:01

No, not at that time. No.

Speaker 1: 24:03

Right. So, and I remember afterwards I saw, I know that she was quick to reply or comment on whatever we posted together, which were the posts that we had together or the videos. She was always the first ones to comment on my videos as well, and I was like, wow, interesting, I've seen this name over and, over and over and all of a sudden I see I think one of the first videos that you posted was a hiking that you went on a trail to this isolated beach and she was part of it and I was like, oh, that's Marlene.

Speaker 2: 24:34

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 24:34

Okay, I think there's a little bit more going on there than just somebody who likes the videos.

Speaker 2: 24:42

Yes and yeah, that was, that was. That is still one of my favorite favorite hikes and just briefly I want to show Marlene is back here and wants to say hi also.

Speaker 1: 24:58

Oh she should, but she should. I'm sure everybody wants to hear Marlene's voice.

Speaker 2: 25:04

But, by the way, she has her own YouTube channel also. I don't know if you can check it out.

Speaker 1: 25:10

Hey, Marlene, please say hi to everyone. Everybody wants to hear your voice. Hello everyone, Thank you for watching our videos.

Speaker 2: 25:19

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 25:20

So cool. So now Marlene has her own channel too. She has a channel named travel duchy and oh, I love I've seen that name come across.

Speaker 2: 25:29

You should twice because most I know you have tried short form content or vertical content and I personally have difficulty making it, but she is really good at it.

Speaker 1: 25:47

She is really, really, so she focused on going to go check that out.

Speaker 2: 25:51

She's focuses mostly on creating a Rubik content, but then in short form and that's amazing yeah. And she's been growing, and subscribers also. We know the struggle, how it is, yes, we know, we know.

Speaker 1: 26:05

So shout out to travel duchy. If you were guys, if you guys are going on Instagram, I'm going to definitely link her in this and the show notes as well. So check that out. Click on the link. Go to travel duchy and show your support for her as well, and check out her Rubik content. Wow, amazing Marlene, so proud of her. Really cool so get him back to the original. Yeah To the hiking.

Speaker 2: 26:32

Yes. So that one is why I like it, because you get a great view of the old natural bridge that used to be the popular attraction of Aruba years ago, and then you go by the what we call now the shark bay, and then the Andikuri Bay, and then you got the tripod bridge and also a hidden natural pool which not many know about, and it's a little bit hard to get to, but that's a it's a very long hike, though it's a very long.

Speaker 1: 27:07

Yes, I remember. I remember you mentioned in that video that is quite a long like what do you call long by the way Long.

Speaker 2: 27:14

Well, for someone who is used to hiking, maybe three hours sounds nothing, because I know it sounds.

Speaker 1: 27:23

It sounds like an eternity to me.

Speaker 2: 27:24

Yeah, but I know hikers that that that will say, well, three hours is absolutely nothing. But why do I say that? It's not that the hiking itself is hard, but the condition, the heat of the sun. So if also when, when I take folks for hiking, they ask me, okay, what time do you pick me up? And I'm like we have to be there at six.

Speaker 1: 27:49

And they're like no, you have to pick them up like 5530. Absolutely.

Speaker 2: 27:52

And eventually they realize why I go so early, because by maybe eight o'clock, eight am, the sun is burning already.

Speaker 1: 28:01

Yeah it's just it's.

Speaker 2: 28:03

the heat is almost on, bearable at that time, yeah seven or seven thirty and get back at 10 or 11. So you have to, you have to really go early and and the sun rises also part of exactly beautiful.

Speaker 1: 28:16

It's beautiful, yeah, which I also. It's amazing how much similarities we have while also being so different. Again, because the margin also has a natural pool, and to get there you need to go on a hike. And that's exactly what I tell people that ask me about it Go as early as you can because you want to see the sunrise. One because it's beautiful. And second, by the time eight o'clock hits, it is blazing hot. You do not want to be out there at that time or you want to be on your way back at least.

Speaker 2: 28:45

So yeah, and some of those places also, not necessarily you're getting in the water, so sometimes when you do that you refresh a little bit, but sometimes you have those trails that don't have that option.

Speaker 1: 28:58

So yeah, and no shade anywhere. Yeah, I know this, I know with Aruba is probably the same thing. Yeah, no shade.

Speaker 2: 29:04

Yeah, I did some hiking also in Gursau, and I know this is the difference, because you know I've been to Gursau many times and I've never did hiking. So when I filmed the vlog I did go hiking and I thought, wow, at least here you have some shade in Aruba you have almost yeah, yeah, yeah, trees and yep, yep, yep, yep, yep.

Speaker 1: 29:25

It's like so interesting our islands.

Speaker 2: 29:27

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 29:27

I love them.

Speaker 2: 29:28

They're so close but yet sometimes so different and very sort of way.

Speaker 1: 29:35

Right, and, of course, what we have in common also is both of us are Dutch islands, so you know, speaking of Dutch, I wanted to go a little bit into the languages that we speak, especially on the ABC Island. So, for those who don't know, we used to be part, all of us used to be part. Before, until 2010, we used to be part of the Netherlands and Tilly's, which was, of course, aruba, bonaire, kurosawa, saint Martin, saba and Tinti Stasius, and since 2010, we kind of like went our own ways. We're still sisters in blood, but we're kind of. Yeah, aruba does its own things and Martin does his own thing, kurosawa does its own thing and Bonaire, stacia and Saba have decided to bond and become part of the Netherlands, so they are now known as the Netherlands Caribbean, if I'm not mistaken, or the Caribbean Netherlands. I always get that confused.

Speaker 2: 30:26

Or also the best island, bes the best islands, bes islands, correct.

Speaker 1: 30:32

So we are now completely different yet at the same time, yeah, still so many, so many things that are the same and we kind of we have the same history, of course, pretty much you know, being Dutch colonies. So language ABC Islands is the only one where you can hear the Papuimento language, and Papuimento is based on old Portuguese. If you go a little deep in it it's apparently supposedly it's very similar to what is spoken in the Capverdean Islands, which also used to be Portuguese. So I think that's where it comes from and that's where you, I think most of the slaves, came down from. I'm not quite sure where we got Papuimento from, but we speak it and then. So, of course, I need to ask you the obvious. We need to talk about some of the best words that you need to know with Papuimento before you go to Aruba, bonaire or Kurosawa.

Speaker 2: 31:30

Well, the most obvious one is the douchey word Douchey for everything. I mean so many things in one word, but sweet, sweet hard. It's nice, the weather is nice, the weather is douchey.

Speaker 1: 31:47

Sexy.

Speaker 2: 31:48

Sexy is another thing, that guy is douchey, that means like he's a good looking, handsome dude. So we use it a lot, that's for sure.

Speaker 1: 31:59

Yeah, and Kurosawa too douchey for everything.

Speaker 2: 32:02

Yeah, and so then you, maybe you learn like a bondia, which is a good morning. It sounds a little bit like Portuguese, as you mentioned bontardi, boatardi and I think in Portuguese, so they really sound like that. But yeah, it's very similar also to Spanish, you could say. But for me, in my travel experience, especially to Florida I know you go to Orlando also, which is like it used to be, like my kind of like my second home, because I used to go there a lot and over there I remember they always thought we were Brazilian folks and we're like no, we're not from Brazil, we're from the ABC Islands.

Speaker 2: 32:45

And they're like oh, what language is that? It sounds like Portuguese.

Speaker 1: 32:49

Oh my gosh that is so well, at least in the US, or at least that part in the US recognizes it, for the Portuguese that's in it. But here right now I'm recording from Belgium because I'm in my. This is my annual trip visiting family here and my mom and I will be on the market and we're speaking Papu Minho, and people come to us speaking Spanish, thinking that it is Spanish that we're speaking, and we're like. You know, I'm not even going to go there and explain what language it is because you're not going to get it. You probably never heard of the islands, especially in Belgium, because they're not familiar with the Dutch islands at all. So it's funny. And then you, of course, you're saying that, yeah, they think it's Portuguese, but it's. It's hilarious really when, when we speak our language and but it's not only that I mean, I've always been such under the, not the impression, but I'm so proud of us for speaking so many languages and all of the three islands have that I mean you probably speak as many as I do.

Speaker 2: 33:50

I speak them and I have I don't know if it's that's your case, but I do understand, and kind of maybe just a little bit some other languages okay okay okay, so let's, let's compare notes.

Speaker 1: 34:04

You speak, papu Minho. Obviously English, absolutely Dutch Spanish. Obviously we need to have some Spanish and I can understand Portuguese quite well.

Speaker 2: 34:18

The Pence wow is speaking it, because the Portuguese speak a very, you know, very a little bit different and they speak a little. But I did learn a little bit of Japanese when I traveled there twice, so I started doing that and I was surprised how the pronunciation of Japanese sounds so similar to our Papu Minho. So when you read a word in Japanese, you can just read it as if you're reading Papu Minho, and that makes that helps, because Japanese onto itself is a very difficult language to learn yes, my brother's learning is learning.

Speaker 2: 34:58

It's with Duolingo right now and and then and then a slowly spoken German language. You can definitely understand quite a bit, okay, so?

Speaker 1: 35:09

yeah, I think I think you're. When you went ding ding ding chicken dinner for you, because you're, you're just awesome, it's like the only other language I speak. I think it's like a tip, a tip of the front and that's as far as I come, which? Is of course, because Saint Martin is divided by French and Dutch, so I get a little bit of French there.

Speaker 2: 35:28

I did like briefly wanted to tell a story I was sitting with happens to be with some subscribers. They invited us to dinner one day and and then I was speaking to them. They were from Norway, so I'm speaking to them in English and then speaking to Marlene on the phone, I go in Dutch and then I think the girl that was singing at the restaurant. They were like big fans of her and she speaks Spanish, so I switch in Spanish and all of a sudden the waiter comes, he speaks in Papiamanda and they were like. They had a face like ah, and I'm like what? And they were like you do it as if it's nothing, but it's so difficult and I'm like maybe you're right.

Speaker 1: 36:20

Yeah, but it's actually. It's not until somebody picks up on it that we actually realize how rare it is to speak so many languages and to be able to switch from one to the other with no difficulty whatsoever.

Speaker 2: 36:33

But for us it's so natural and I wouldn't know a life or a world how it's different?

Speaker 1: 36:39

I don't know Exactly, and what I love about speaking to other people from the ABC Islands is because we share all of these languages, it's very easy to just kind of like step over and what we've created. Sometimes I know in Curacao for a fact, we have pretty much our own language. You know we'll be like you'll start in Papiamanda and switch on over to a Dutch word and bring in a Spanish word and then end it with English. You know it's like what is going on? Yeah, absolutely, it's crazy. All right, so going back to what we were talking about, the other things that you can be doing in Aruba besides hiking and the beaches, so is there anything else that you say you must try when you're in Aruba?

Speaker 2: 37:23

Well, we have a lot of food trucks, mostly at night, but some of them are also during the day. If you are a foodie, you want to go try different cuisines, and even then that I have learned through my videos and such, that sometimes food for us seems so normal and natural, but for someone coming from, say, the States or from Canada, for example, which is one of our top markets, you would, let's say, let them try a Surinamese food.

Speaker 1: 38:02

Or I don't know. Oh my God, I just had Surinamese today.

Speaker 2: 38:06

Or an Arepa from Venezuela or something like that. It blows their mind like a Patakong also, things like that.

Speaker 1: 38:15

So maybe we shouldn't be talking about this at all because I don't know about you, but I'm hungry and this is not making it easy, even though I just had Surinamese, like now I just talking about this and I think what we have done and I know Curacao and Aruba too has done the same is because of our close proximity to Venezuela. We've always had a very special bond with Venezuela, so, and the Venezuelan cuisine, so it actually has been integrated into our cuisine.

Speaker 1: 38:47

So Curacao and Aruba has similar cuisine, but let's talk a little bit about the traditional food. In Aruba. I was like we already spoken about, of course, the Surinamese, which is practically part of our heritage. Now too, there's so many people from Surinam and they've always been kind of like a sister country to us, since they always were. They also were part of the Dutch kingdom, so Surinamese. Now we have the Venezuelans with the Ayacas for Christmas and the what you just mentioned, the oh my gosh, help me out here.

Speaker 2: 39:23

Pande jamón, I'm just thinking, it's just about me.

Speaker 1: 39:27

Oh my gosh the Pande jamón is amazing Arepa Patakong all those Arepa. Patakong, all of those good stuff, but what is something else that is traditional Aruba?

Speaker 2: 39:37

So the typical typical is the fish, the red fish usually, and that's a company with what we call Pamba Ti, which also kind of like sounds weird, but I'm going to explain. It's similar to a pancake. Now how in the world do you eat fish with a pancake? But it's not a pancake, it's kind of like a pancake.

Speaker 1: 40:03

Yeah, it's very hard to explain.

Speaker 2: 40:05

Yeah, For us it's very normal to eat it, but when I think about it that way, I'm like who eats fish with a pancake like, and also the polenta, what we call here the funchi. That is also very popular. So that would make up for the typical and then the. Sometimes it's just fried and sometimes it has a sauce, Really like the tomato sauce and with some onions and things like that. That's the basic and one of the best places that you and it's super popular, super, super popular. I don't remember if you went there. Is that the one that?

Speaker 1: 40:46

looks like I didn't go to say it over I went there, but the line was so long.

Speaker 2: 40:52

The line is very long.

Speaker 1: 40:53

That we decided to kind of quit on it, because I have never in my life stood in line for food.

Speaker 2: 40:59

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 41:00

Well, unless you count the food trucks. But yeah, I have never stood in a line that long anyway. So we, we were very hungry and we kind of quit. So I still need to go back and try Zaid over, but you did suggest it, I just couldn't get it.

Speaker 2: 41:14

Well, I would, for anyone listening and watching this one. I would avoid, let's say, weekends, and avoid during the day, especially Sunday afternoon. Forget it, you're going to spend, forget it, you could stand like two hours in line.

Speaker 1: 41:30

You are not exaggerating. We stood an hour and that's when we were like no, we're giving up, yeah.

Speaker 2: 41:36

It's because it's not just the food, it also is the there aren't enough tables. And what one thing that we have done, me and Marlene. We have been there a few times. We decided to go on a week night, not a week day, week night. And if watching the water is not a big thing, because there's still some lights, because still it's very nice.

Speaker 1: 41:59

And you still have the sound of the water. Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2: 42:03

They're still coming in with fish, fresh fish and everything, so it's basically the same experience. It can get a busy even at night, but much less, much less Okay.

Speaker 1: 42:14

Okay, so apart from that, it's a week night.

Speaker 2: 42:16

Yeah, apart from that, I think what people like it's. It's a very local place. It's not fancy, you don't? You can come from, put your beach clothes, nobody's going to say anything, nobody's going to look weird at you or anything. So that's one of those things. But if you are going there and you're expecting the fanciest of places, then you might get disappointed and they only sell fish and shrimps and some of the what I mentioned. So the Pambati and the Fungi and things like that they don't sell. Okay, oh, I don't eat fish. If someone in your party is not eating fish or shrimp, then they're not going to get burgers or hot dogs.

Speaker 1: 43:00

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 43:02

I like I like to always be clear on that part, because some folks do go there and they get very disappointed because they see it online and, yes, it's a nice place to visit. It's a very local, the way we eat fish officially, and it tastes different than your typical fish, but we love it.

Speaker 1: 43:22

But that's the whole point of travel and I see that there's so many tourists that, or visitors that visit our islands, that come there with expectation, expecting to eat the same food today eat from where they are and then get disappointed that they're not getting there, while, of course, you also have those visitors who are keen to discover new cuisine, so they're completely open to it.

Speaker 1: 43:46

But there's still some out there. Like my husband and I have a burger place in St Martin and people still get disappointed sometimes in the burgers because we don't have ketchup. We don't have ketchup with our burgers and our burgers don't come with the traditional, you know, tomato and lettuce. So our burgers are completely our own. It's our design. It's not something that we never. Said that we're going to have American burgers or you know the way burgers are supposed to be and who says burgers are supposed to be eaten that way? Yeah, I totally get you. It's like well, you can say, yes, it's fish and yes, it's shrimp, but it's not done in the normal way that you are used to at home. This is our way of doing it.

Speaker 2: 44:30

And I've learned also that while for me I think I'm not a very difficult eater, I'll eat because I'm hungry, and then I'm like wow, I'm surprised, the food is good. But still, food is such a broad thing, because we all have different taste buds, so the one will find it excellent and the other one will find it disgusting.

Speaker 2: 44:58

Yeah, to go to the extremes and but, but in general I do like the place. I think it's definitely, if not just for the food, it's even an experience. Just, you feel like wow, yeah, I'm in a rupee next to the beach.

Speaker 1: 45:12

And if you want to be like really local, you want to order it in POPYMENTAL. You could just ask for PISCA HAZA KUFUNJI.

Speaker 2: 45:19

Yeah, correct, correct yeah.

Speaker 1: 45:22

I need that in my life right now. And when you say redfish, you're talking about rat snapper, yeah.

Speaker 2: 45:27

Yeah, correct, okay.

Speaker 1: 45:28

Rat snapper and FUNJI. And your PANBATI, by the way, is more of a pancake which I got I learned the hard way when I was in Aruba, because the Cure-Sale version of a PANBATI which actually, if you translate it as a beaten bread, it's actually in Cure-Sale. It is a beaten bread. It's a bread that they kind of like knead and they knead and they knead it until it kind of like becomes this, what we call PANBATI. But you guys, your PANBATI is so different.

Speaker 2: 45:58

And it's also sometimes made with. Well, I wouldn't know. Maybe you could help me, maisi DERABO. Maybe you have a translation for that, I don't know.

Speaker 1: 46:11

I have no idea. I know MAISI is corn but DERABO is tail, but I have no idea where the tail is coming into the corn.

Speaker 2: 46:19

But when they make it, that one is like the really typical one, but you don't find it like it's easy to, it's not easy to get. They make it more at home than in restaurants. Let's say Okay, yeah.

Speaker 1: 46:37

And speaking of Okay, I'm going to have to. Actually, of course, I'm going to call you up if I'm coming back to Aruba and you're going to have to take me to one of your neighbors, or whoever it is that makes PANBATI with MAISI DERABO.

Speaker 2: 46:53

Yeah, correct. My goodness, okay, and one of the other places that I just would like to mention, because while the fish is very, you know, the typical one, there's also a place where I love to eat there, and on that side I have to give Curacao a lot of credit, because in Aruba it's not that we didn't have all of those dishes, but somehow, when I look at here, we got influenced by a lot of, you know, foreign.

Speaker 2: 47:31

Yeah, outside yeah cookies and cuisines, but the Marili Cafe. So Marili Cafe is one of those places. It's a super small cafe. I think you can put some six persons in there, maybe eight, wow, but they do have. And where is it? It's situated in Ponton, which is like a minute drive from Maraisa, from the capital, and they do have like a long list of all of those, like they have the Yambo, they have I don't know all of the Stobas or the Stew and Concomberstoba, papaya Stoba and all of those things and super nice ladies, and yeah, that's one of those. That's one place that maybe you should visit also next. I will, yeah.

Speaker 1: 48:20

Not that I should, I will.

Speaker 2: 48:22

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 48:23

I love, of course. I remember it from growing up in Curacao, but I miss it. I don't really get all of that. Sometimes you'll have the occasional person making it in, say, martin, but it's not often that you can get your hands on a good Curacao or Aruba dish.

Speaker 2: 48:42

Yeah, For me they're a hidden gem, because oftentimes I get disappointed when people tell me you have to visit this restaurant and say Palm Beach or something like that. And I do go and check it out eventually, and then I'm like this is not that good. I think it is.

Speaker 1: 49:04

I had it when I was there and I was taken to a French restaurant and like, of course, if you know, say Martin is part French. We have some of the best you know restaurant French restaurants there. So I was not as happy as I should be. I was a little bit disappointing and yes, and also I'm always going for the local cuisine rather than eating something that is not really typically from there. So thank you so much for these two recommendations and I hope anybody listening. If you want authentic Aruba cuisine, go to these two places and can you repeat the names? Please Say it over.

Speaker 2: 49:43

Say it over and Marie-Louis Café.

Speaker 1: 49:46

Marie-Louis Café in Ponton.

Speaker 2: 49:47

Yeah, yeah, there we go. Okay, all right.

Speaker 1: 49:51

For example yes, and you know I'm looking at a time and we're already close to like way far, because at the beginning you asked me how long is this gonna take and I was like oh, should be 45 minutes, and I like completely forgot that whenever you and I get into a conversation it's stretches and stretches and we got so much to talk about all the time. So let's just really go through the list here that I have a question that I really want you to answer about Aruba. Let's briefly talk about, you know, the important things for anybody that has never been to Aruba before Currency, what side of the road do you drop, you drive on, what is the voltage and, of course, your status, as, in you know, say, martin is country with Country within kingdom, and I think, if I'm not mistaken, aruba is too correct.

Speaker 2: 50:41

Yes, correct. Uh, so the currency is the Aruba Florin, so we have our own Florin. If you change it in and say Martin, or in the Curacao, it's not usable. Here you can come with dollars, us dollars, and that is widely accepted. Except some Businesses will not accept 50 or a hundred dollar bills. That is mostly because they don't have enough change. If you buy something like five Florin and then they they have to give you so much Change, they don't have that. Um, a word mentioning is that ATM and credit cards are widely accepted, so if you want to use your card, that's fine. Uh, so we drive on the right side, uh, of the roads. Uh, we do have a lot of roundabouts, so you might, if you're gonna be driving here, you might want to learn a little bit about roundabouts If you don't have many of them back home.

Speaker 1: 51:34

Or watch the video, because I know you do video about roundabouts which. I thought was hilarious and yet very accurate and necessary yeah and so, basically, basically short.

Speaker 2: 51:46

Um, if you are on the roundabout, you have to ride away, and if you're not, just have to give way Until you got a chance please don't Step on the brakes in the middle of a roundabout.

Speaker 1: 51:57

That is the worst thing you could do, and I've seen so many tours through that.

Speaker 1: 52:01

It's a Martin as well. It's like all of a sudden they're in the roundabout and they want to give Preference to somebody coming into the roundabout and we're like and then that's when you cost collisions, so please do not step on the brakes while you're inside of the roundabout. And I have to say, a robot roundabouts are on a different level. I mean your roundabouts are, but I like how, how you did it, though. I mean it works, it totally works.

Speaker 2: 52:25

Yeah, yeah, it's, uh, it's helping, certainly uh in some spots not so much it's intimidating in the beginning. Yeah, I think.

Speaker 1: 52:33

I'm missing one of those.

Speaker 2: 52:35

I think I'm missing one of those uh question. So you had the driving the currency?

Speaker 1: 52:40

and, uh, we spoke about driving currency. We spoke about the political status, which is well. When I say political status, I mean the status of the country. What, what type of country you are? Um, and we let me see. What else should we talk about? Oh, I want to know the size of aruba and what the population is. I was actually wondering about.

Speaker 2: 52:59

The population is like under 500, 100, 000 people living here on the island, very mixed. Of course we have the arubians, but we have such a mix of of nations, of Foreigners living here I could not even go into that, but I I've heard in the past like almost 80 different nationalities. I wouldn't be surprised. And uh, yeah, that, uh, and the size is uh very small.

Speaker 1: 53:32

It's uh, it's about in kilometers, not as small as go for it.

Speaker 2: 53:37

Well, how much is it in? Do you know what it is?

Speaker 1: 53:39

in miles, the square miles.

Speaker 2: 53:41

I uh in kilometers is 30. So I would assume it's like 17 ish, the 18 miles, some, and I'm not gonna have to.

Speaker 1: 53:50

I'm gonna have to double check that, but um, um, no, that could be.

Speaker 2: 53:56

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 53:56

I know what ruba is bigger than samaritan, so it can be 17. It's gotta be bigger than that.

Speaker 2: 54:02

Uh, so that's, that's in length, so, and in white um, it's only like six kilometers or five or six kilometers at the at the um. In white so, uh, it's like three miles or something like that. And when you are on top of, say, the, the hoyberg Heal or the yama note, you can see basically the whole island.

Speaker 1: 54:23

So uh, which one was the hill that we went together. We went to um the ayo uh water tank, which yes uh is not there anymore, Um Surprisingly, but I mean the hill is, but not the tank, water tank.

Speaker 2: 54:42

Uh, uh. I heard that they were, you know, putting a new one there, or something like that. But now I hear I'm hearing a different story now. So I don't know what's the what's going on there?

Speaker 1: 54:53

Uh, one of these days I'll just but it's, I mean, it's still Right, but it's still somewhere where you can get a good view from yes, yes, yes. Yes, okay, okay, yeah. And the hoy bar, because, of course, the most famous spot, if you want, yeah.

Speaker 2: 55:08

I'll go for you. We were talking about hiking a moment ago also. That's, um, if you want to do one, if you can call it hiking, at least, uh, do that one. It's a little bit hard to get to the top. It's like 500, how many steps? 560 or so, yeah, and uh, in this heat it can get, uh, you know, intense sometimes. So I would uh suggest doing it early morning or late afternoon. So after five or so you get a shade, but once you're up there you're like, wow, it was worth it. Yeah, okay, absolutely. So we gotta put the hoy bar on the list too.

Speaker 1: 55:45

Yeah, yeah, awesome, awesome. And of course, you have, like, so many other attractions and you have the ruins that you can visit the natural pool Pools plural, because there's more than one. You have, of course, the I'm looking. What else?

Speaker 2: 56:02

are the newest visits while you're there the newest attraction you could say, uh, right now, that's very, very hot. I just published a video on it is the aruba winery, so the altavista winery, and had me in wine. So from the altavista hill you can see the winery more or less, and wait.

Speaker 1: 56:24

When you see winery, are you saying that aruba is producing their own wine?

Speaker 2: 56:28

Yes, that's very recent, so this year they officially open yeah that's amazing.

Speaker 1: 56:36

Yeah oh, that's definitely something I need to check out, it's uh. Looks like I need to come back very, very soon.

Speaker 2: 56:42

Yeah, that's uh. You know, marlene, for example, she um studied, um, you know, about that a little bit, not per se wine, but about gardening and all of those things. And when, uh, she saw that one when we were filming, she was like, wow, I think it feels like I'm in france or you know one of those wine countries.

Speaker 1: 57:08

Uh, and is it by a local person that?

Speaker 2: 57:10

has a local. Yes, yes, Amazing.

Speaker 1: 57:14

Oh wow, that. That is definitely something I need to check out when I return.

Speaker 2: 57:17

Definitely, definitely.

Speaker 1: 57:19

Awesome, all right, so let's talk about the biggest attraction, which is, of course, the beaches. Yes, uh, which one are your top three?

Speaker 2: 57:30

Wow, that's a question. Well, I know very hard like how many?

Speaker 1: 57:34

how many beaches doesn't does aruba have, by the way?

Speaker 2: 57:37

I, I never really counted them. Uh, because what is or what isn't a beach?

Speaker 1: 57:44

Uh, I, think that's a. Thing.

Speaker 2: 57:45

That's a homework, yeah, you, you have for me now. But yeah, but, um, the important, maybe is to say that the best and and and just keep it on the south side of the island. Based on that, on the north side of the island, the, the waves are very high and no swimming is suggested, with, with maybe one or two exceptions, maybe. But to be on the safe side, keep it on the south side and and from there, um, just to mention a few, you have the arashi beach from, so I'll go from west to east, uh, arashi beach, and then you have, like, the palm beach, which is where the most of the high rice hotels are situated. Then you have the eagle beach, which is, um, the lower ice hotels, eagle beach, manchebo and divi beach are all like one long beach, yeah, and then from there, uh, let's, and then there's the little one that we went together, which I absolutely fell in love with, that really small one, tres trape oh the tres trape.

Speaker 2: 58:47

I forgot that one. Yeah yeah, it's so small, I forgot it.

Speaker 1: 58:51

I know right. Is it it right? It's after arashi, before arashi? I'm not sure.

Speaker 2: 58:56

So there's uh. When I mentioned arashi, just in my mind, I thought, okay, I, I cover all of those uh nearby, but actually they do have different names and they are a little bit different. Uh. Next to it you have the boca catalina, which is good for snorkeling. Most of the catamarans is uh and such stopped there for the snorkeling. And then you have the tres trape, which is is better for the Seeing the turtles.

Speaker 2: 59:23

If you are into that, I suggest going early in the morning. Is you have the the best chance to seeing them? Uh, and then. And then you have the, the palm beach and such, yeah, and then. And then, further up, like in the middle of the island, you have the mongol haldu, which it's one of my favorite spots because to me, like, every time I, I um Stopped there and I show folks that I said, when you talk about the 50 shades of blue, this, this is where you need to be, like, there's so many colors there and it's beautiful for for snorkeling, the it's good for kids, um, I mean, there's so many, it's a lot larger than what you see, um, because many times we just see the axis to the water, but in reality it's a lot more than that and from there, um, mostly the the baby beach and the rogers beach. Uh, they're next to each other, very close walking distance even. The difference is rod.

Speaker 2: 1:00:25

I loved rogers beach is very quiet to me better one person.

Speaker 1: 1:00:32

Yep, me too. I kind of like the rogers beach more because it was so quiet and marlene's favorite beach on the whole island Is rogers beach. But I can totally imagine.

Speaker 2: 1:00:41

But then the baby beach is beautiful, it's just busy. It's not that it's not beautiful, it's just busy, very very big no, absolutely. And um, yeah, those are the the main beaches, with some other other ones in between.

Speaker 1: 1:00:55

Yeah, and of course it's called baby beach because it's so shallow. It's shallow perfect for babies families.

Speaker 2: 1:01:01

It is, but it's also uh, the name also is a little bit deceiving because If you go too far which I'll be like that yes it can get very dangerous very quickly. So don't be swimming too far out. Uh, and those areas it's at the very tip of the east part of the island, so that's why, where you get the currents, once that those currents gets you, uh, people have drowned there in the past On several which is which is actually.

Speaker 1: 1:01:33

You know, you can't even fat them because it's shallow. And then, but like you said, when you go further out it's not shallow anymore, and then, all of a sudden, you get yourself in the currents for the most part it's very shallow and you'll have no issues.

Speaker 2: 1:01:46

You can have your kids there, and everything. Most of times when people run into into trouble is they want to go snorkeling, which is great, but you got to know your own limits and there are buoys that are marked where not to go. But I constantly, every time I go there, I see people swimming behind it, anyway. So yeah that's something you want to avoid. For us locals, where we know like Weird to swim and we're not, don't be venturing to places that you don't see anyone else swimming, that's.

Speaker 1: 1:02:21

There's a reason why other people are not swimming there. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, um, hey, one thing that I absolutely adored about Um Aruba and that is like so close to my heart, because I am so much into sustainability and environmentally friendly practices, and I have noticed, when I was there, you know, pleasantly surprised to see that um Aruba does not has a ban on single use plastic styrofoam and um on sunscreen. That has, I think it's been. So I mean, yeah, I always. Anyway, you know what I mean. It needs to be reef safe. Yeah, if you bring in um, if you bring in your own, it needs to be reef safe.

Speaker 2: 1:03:06

Yes, sunscreen, yeah, yeah, you could. You could buy it here also, of course, but if you want to bring it from home, uh, that's, that's good, um and uh, we also try, uh, no plastic straws anymore. So, um, it's, it's part of, uh, uh, the law now and most places. Uh, you know, we still have a few things that we can definitely uh, like, be completely, but it started with the plastic bags uh, in 2017, if I'm remembering, right and uh, and then we went further, and I always find it A word mentioning that, um, politicians don't agree with a lot of things, but when it comes to that, I, I am, I'm proud that they did agree on those things completely, because it's definitely uh for the future generations.

Speaker 1: 1:04:02

Hyrule, thank you so much for your time. Thank you, thank you. This has been wonderful. It's been wonderful seeing you again talking to you. For those of you who want to uh, watch or Learn or see who Hyrule actually is, you can go over to the youtube, to my youtube channel and or to his, for that, to that for the matter, and see all the content that he has produced, and, and you can see this particular video as well on my channel. So, thank you so much for tuning in. Thank you, hyrule, again for your time, because I know you're super busy. Um, give a kiss to my lane for me.

Speaker 1: 1:04:36

I hope to meet her next time when I'm in a rubah and uh well, I'll see you, I'll see your videos. I mean, that's the only other way that I'm. You know, I get to see you nowadays, so yeah. Get, keep on doing what you're doing. Is you're doing such a wonderful job?

Speaker 2: 1:04:50

Thank you so much. You're so. Thank you for the opportunity. It's been a pleasure and uh, yeah, let's do this one again, uh and yeah, fantastic, thank you. Thank you.

Speaker 1: 1:05:03

I must apologize because this episode was a bit longer than both of us anticipated, but that is what happens every single time Hyrule and I get on a call or a chat. We just end up chatting, chatting, chatting away. I hope, anyway, that you enjoyed this episode as much as we did and, more importantly, I hope you got some really good tips and recommendations out of it for your rubah trip. And remember to check the links in the show notes on how to get in touch with Hyrule and should you want to book an island tour, because yes, honey, he is actually still offering that service. I'm so happy to report that you can still get On an island tour with Hyrule from let's go with Hyrule. He's actually the main person to or he and another friend of mine, elton, who you will hear from in another episode. They are instrumental in getting me Uh, start is starting my own island tour services, and so merchants. So definitely Make sure that if you're a heading tour of a, book yourself an island tour with Hyrule, all right. So, um, I don't know about you, but I'm also really super excited to try that new winery in aruba. So I'm gonna get online right now and start looking for flights, and I'm sure you're gonna do the same.

Speaker 1: 1:06:21

If you have been dreaming about a trip to aruba, by the way, I want to tell you something Stop dreaming and start working on practical goals that can get you there. In my opinion, the only obstacle that stands in your way between you and that dream vacation tour rubah is yourself. So I hope this helps. Where there's a will, there's a way. So get out of your own way and start planning your trip to aruba right now, with the help of Hyrule, of course. So thanks again for spending this time for me. We had a great time, didn't we? I really really surely hope so. I appreciate you. Thank you again for listening. That's it for me, love. I got a dash, and so do you. We got things to do, goals to meet. I'll meet you here again in a week or two. Ciao.