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Love in the Details
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When Betsy's mom took charge of planning a dream wedding without the bride stepping in until everything was set in stone, we knew we had stumbled upon an unconventional tale. Sitting down with Betsy to recount her unique journey to the altar, it became clear that her story was filled with wisdom for anyone navigating their own nuptial celebration.
We unwrapped the layers of selecting the right vendors and the importance of a solid rapport with your photographer. Betsy’s story is a testament to the powerful bond between couples and families, underpinned by joyous moments and the sometimes daunting task of managing expectations.
She highlights the importance of treasuring the little moments amidst the chaos and how keeping calm and staying focused on the celebration can turn potential setbacks into unforgettable memories. If you've ever found yourself in the eye of the wedding planning storm or simply love a good love story with practical takeaways, you won't want to miss this episode.
Calling all brides, grooms and wedding enthusiasts welcome to Pop the Question. The podcast that takes the stress out of wedding planning and injects the fun back in. Grab your drink and indulge in expert advice and jaw-dropping stories. We're turning anxiety into anticipation over here because everyone deserves to enjoy their wedding planning process. You're getting married. You should be excited about it. Here are your hosts Kathleen and Camille. Let's get started.
Speaker 2:Hello, hello, hello people, people of the podcast. This is Kathleen, and Camille is here with us. I am Hi. Hey, we have been interviewing the heck out of some vendors lately, but today we're going to change it up. We are, we got a bride, and it's one of our past pineapple brides, and her name is Betsy. She got married back in October, so she actually got married at a church. They came with a coordinator and we handled all of the details for her reception. We helped her select all of her vendors, we built her timeline and her mom really spearheaded the whole process, which was unusual but kind of lovely.
Speaker 3:I love her mom, that doesn't happen all the time.
Speaker 2:Not all the time she was competent.
Speaker 3:Oh very, that's amazing, that's beautiful.
Speaker 2:Her mom definitely had a vision. Her mom was very trusting of the process, very communicative. I don't think I actually met the bride until we had all of her vendors booked, which was so unusual for me. I think when we finally met, we basically like did a venue walkthrough and then we all went and had like margaritas and Hi, how are you?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm your planner. Yeah Like hey, total stranger here Nice to meet you, but it can be done when you have the right people in place, because there are some like I'm a photographer there's plenty of photographers who don't actually meet their couples until whatever time is deemed.
Speaker 2:So when we had our episode with Tish and Darius a while back, he was talking about how he really loved having grooms being more involved. So when I actually met Betsy, she michael along and I got to meet him and it was so funny because her mom had been really hyping him up like, oh, I love michael, he's so sweet, you're gonna love him. And then I met him and he was really old school in his appearance, like kind of like curly, kind of shaggy, longer hair, little mustache going on and kind of like hauling oats kind of vibe, I was gonna say that's refreshing then you start describing them.
Speaker 3:I was like, let me, let me pause. It was not like.
Speaker 2:I had this like preppy, like college boy, bama boy haircut in my head and then I met him and he was like so grounded oh very.
Speaker 2:He was like gotcha, super laid back and and like we just hung out and ate tacos and I, I mean I just I fell in love with them as a couple and we actually have been laughing. We talked a couple of weeks ago and I was like Betsy, I was like come hang on my patio anytime, Like come on, we'll barbecue. And they just bought their first house and they were expecting a baby.
Speaker 2:Ok, oh she's pregnant Nice, and one thing that we could definitely touch on is the fact that they use 901 Pet Sitting as a service for their day, and so Ashley brought their dog out to be part of their pictures. We're live, so you're talking to people right now. Yeah, so we need to have Ashley on a show. For sure we will, because you and I both use her as a pet sitter.
Speaker 3:She'll be here. Well, somebody will be here on the 18th.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, great, great. So she actually does grooming and all kinds of stuff, but I love that you know they'll bring the dogs out. There's only a couple of services that do that here locally, but they kind of wrangle the pups, which.
Speaker 2:I think is so helpful for the photographers, makes it a little less chaotic. Photographers, makes it a little less chaotic. Yes, all right, so we're going to bring Betsy on board and Michael might even chime in if he's in the room that would be awesome. I love Michael, but I definitely want to talk a little bit about her process with her photographer because when I got her gallery back, I have very rarely seen so many candid shots that just embraced the most natural smiles have mine never done every year.
Speaker 2:This was different. I get it. Your stuff is so.
Speaker 3:I'm very portrait-y yes, I can get this magazine worthy.
Speaker 2:This was more like kind of old school vibe, like it reminded me of shots that people would have taken like back in the day with polaroids.
Speaker 3:In a way, I can see that for me, especially if I'm working by myself. I'm very concentrated on the moment, making sure I get that, and then everything else is bonus. There are some people who sit back and can flawlessly have voyeuristic characteristics, and it's a beautiful thing. That's why I always try to have a second shooter who's way more voyeuristic than me, because I've got the shot. I need you to get everything to happen in between.
Speaker 2:I think one key element that I picked up on with Betsy's and I definitely pick it up on when you're working with a client taking the time to truly get to know your client. It is so important building that relationship so that you have that moment with them like let's. I mean let's circle back to this past weekend again with the wedding with the two ladies. At the end of their ceremony they both came up to me and held me and hugged me for the longest time and it was so sweet it was. It literally was like a we did it Joe moment, like holy crap, we did it Joe. We did it Joe. Like I just I felt their love so deeply all day long and I just loved it. They were so appreciative, it was amazing.
Speaker 3:And when I say that guys and I feel like I have to over explain when I say it was they were so appreciative. Vendors aren't looking for you to like kiss their ass or anything, but you guys have put in all this hard work together and when you see it come to fruition together if you've put in that work with your vendors, you've had those long conversations, you guys have figured it out together it's something so refreshing to just share that joy with your vendors. Yeah, when it comes out right, they were so. I truly believe that they were an example for other couples to look at. They were absolutely on. They listened.
Speaker 3:They listened they did their homework. They did, they, they, they binged our podcast and it helped them, and they also. They took our podcast, they listened and it helped them, and they also. They took our advice on vendors, like all the vendors I recommended they hired.
Speaker 3:We had a dream team it was amazing and they turned in their things on time. They asked the questions, they scheduled the meetings, they were ahead of schedule on everything. Yet even though they felt they were behind and I have to tell my couples, when I have couples that feel that they're lacking and not doing what they need to, I'm like no, you are just fine.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're right where you need to be.
Speaker 3:You're good, exactly so if you are in the planning process, please don't down yourself. Know that you're doing what you need to do, and if you don't feel you are, reach out to your vendors and ask them for their opinion, for their recommendations. I guarantee you're more than likely further along than you're giving yourself credit for. So I'm actually really excited to talk to Betsy and see what she's got to say. So let's dial her in. All right, betsy? How are you doing? Hey, betsy.
Speaker 2:Hello, hey, hey, hey. So how long have you been married now?
Speaker 4:Was it October, it was November, so we are coming up on our six month mark in just a few days actually. Nice.
Speaker 3:And I heard you guys have got some exciting new developments going on in your marriage.
Speaker 4:We do, we do.
Speaker 2:We're expecting a baby girl in September, but wait, here's the best part it's right by my birthday.
Speaker 4:Oh that's the best part. Gonna have a little Virgo girl.
Speaker 3:Oh, virgo, you have the best. Virgos are amazing.
Speaker 4:So I've been told. So I have been told I was like I really hope you like lots of OCD cleaning.
Speaker 2:I mean you'll have your built-in house manager.
Speaker 3:She's got it, is it? Do you know the gender yet? Yes, girl. Okay, she's going to be great, she's going to run everything.
Speaker 2:Future wedding planner, because you know, all the wedding planners in Memphis are almost all Virgos.
Speaker 3:It's perfect. I love Virgos. They're my favorite so as she gets older.
Speaker 2:Send her to me. We'll give her a first job. We'll get her all set up. I love it. I hope she's a little entrepreneur. I would fully support that she could take over my company, because by then I'll be ready to retire Right, I love it. I've been waiting for somebody to step up and be like hey, I want to do this, and my little goddaughter, maisie, has been kind of she. She's coming and putting linens on tables for me now.
Speaker 4:So anyway, so okay, Okay okay, baby steps.
Speaker 2:Yep, y'all also bought a house too, like right after the wedding we did.
Speaker 4:Yes, we did, yeah, we bought it.
Speaker 3:We got married in.
Speaker 4:November. And then we bought a house in February. Yeah, I know we really did. We just kind of looked at each other and we were like should we buy a house? Like why not, we can like, you know, let's go. And then we um found out in the middle of the buying the house process that we were expecting. So that was. That was kind of a surprise, um but, a very happy surprise for us.
Speaker 2:I hope you got a big enough house.
Speaker 3:I mean knock it all out at the same time, but I'm glad you found that, while you're buying a house but you guys more than likely bought a house with this in mind- oh, yes, we definitely did, and that made it a little bit easier to kind of sift through what is and what is not for us, for the house.
Speaker 4:So, yeah, we're expecting to be here many years.
Speaker 2:So one thing that was different about Betsy for me is that her mom was very involved in the process and from my planner mind that sometimes can be a little tricky.
Speaker 3:A problem.
Speaker 2:Like sometimes, the moms want it to be their day again. Or they don't know what they're doing, or they they think they're making the right decisions, and the brides are like that's not what I want, and so I was well not helping. I kind of felt like I was in this place, like okay, her mom was amazingly communicative, super sweet and I'm like gosh, I really hope this is exactly what this lady wants I was, was like so and I was kind of like I think one of the first conversations that Betsy and I had, I was like hey, you're good with your mom making all these decisions, right?
Speaker 2:Like cause she was like oh yeah, we're like the best of friends, Like, yeah, we're good. But not everybody has that kind of mom with that kind of relationship. Sometimes you get a mom that's like overbearing.
Speaker 3:Unaware.
Speaker 2:Yes, or sometimes they think it's their. You know, they didn't have a nice big wedding, and so they seize the moment to make it about them. Definitely, I did not want that for you.
Speaker 3:I love that. You had a really good relationship with your mom and it seems like you guys listened to each other, or she listened to you and what your needs were and put them first, rather than putting her wants first.
Speaker 4:Totally Well. What's so funny about the story with how my mom even came across Kathleen before I was even engaged? My mom booked Kathleen, I believe, as the wedding planner. I'm almost positive that that is how the turn of events happened. So my mom is very type A. I'm very type B, I'm very laid back, I'm very go with the flow. Someone asks what do you want? I'm like I don't know what I'm feeling and my mom is very, very opposite. So my mom and I are polar opposites. But when it came to something as big as a wedding planning, something like she thinks 10 steps ahead when I can't even see what's in front of me sometimes. So our dynamic in that way worked really, really well. At first I was like mom, we don't really need a planner, like you can just help me do it. And my mom was like, absolutely not. She's like we absolutely need a planner.
Speaker 2:Well, and your mom was moving. Your mom like moved. Like a week after, I think, she hired me. She like left Memphis and moved to Nashville.
Speaker 3:Is your mom a Virgo?
Speaker 4:I forgot about that. She hired me. She, like, left Memphis, moved to.
Speaker 3:Nashville. Is your mom a Virgo? I?
Speaker 4:forgot about that. Yes, yes, she was. She's a Virgo.
Speaker 3:No, she's a Scorpio, just like me that can go bad, but I'm glad it worked out.
Speaker 2:No, her mom was a dream and her dad was a trip too, like I mean they're. They're a really fun couple. Why wasn't I the photographer?
Speaker 4:but I'm glad you got because she's friends with her photographer.
Speaker 2:But we're gonna talk about your photographer.
Speaker 3:She's he, she sounds awesome. Yeah, she's. Oh, yeah, he's great. Yeah, I can. Okay, we're gonna talk about that. Yes, okay, what you say it makes sense now. Yeah, ali is great.
Speaker 2:So I was trying to explain together I was explaining to camille, like one of the things that I really loved was once Allie sent over your gallery. It was so different than what I normally get back from photographers and I couldn't quite put my finger on if it was because y'all know each other and y'all are friends or if that's just really her style.
Speaker 4:I got to say it's her style. Like, honestly, allie has a talent that I've never. I mean I'm blessed enough to have known her for so many years. I mean we went to church together when we were younger, so I mean I, you know, have known her for so long, so that definitely helps. But I mean she really has such a specific style and it's not for everybody, but the people that really get it are obsessed with her work. I mean she's truly doing what she's born to do. So I think that's kind of what you saw, like she just has such a such a niche about her that I just personally really, really love.
Speaker 3:She has a talent for voyeurism, and that is it is a specific eye, it's a journalistic eye. I say it's voyeurism.
Speaker 1:I call it candid.
Speaker 4:I've never heard it put like that. I love that.
Speaker 3:It's the way I make it make sense in my head. I think it can be. You can call it candid, you can call it journalistic. It's a way to capture things I love voyeurism.
Speaker 4:That's kind of taboo to say. I like that.
Speaker 3:It's like she leaves room for it to breathe. I know my kind of what I'm good at is. I'm good at the moment Like I'm very portrait. She is okay with waiting for it and getting little things. She is Very much. So what I do is I bring in second photographers who have that ability to fill it in and I'll get the shot and you get the in-between. So, allie is amazing in that you did a really good choice.
Speaker 2:Well, thank you, thank you. I feel very blessed. Here's the thing, though Once you, if you meet Betsy and you get to know her, when you look at the gallery, those smiles are not forced. They were so genuine. It looked like real life, betsy. It did look bogus or like you know some brides look like they have. They're sick of smiling.
Speaker 3:So now I feel like I should have saw it before this episode. Betsy, if you have space in your like, could you could?
Speaker 2:someone send it to me. I have a.
Speaker 3:Dropbox. I will Someone send it to me before this episode is out.
Speaker 4:I need to see this oh, yes, yes, yes, of course.
Speaker 3:While she's looking that up, Betsy, this podcast is mainly to give help to people who are currently in the thick of it.
Speaker 1:Couples who are?
Speaker 3:planning their wedding. So what we want to talk to you about is your experience, anything you can throw back to couples who are planning their wedding. They don't see the other side like you do. They're in it. So, like, let's talk about your experience and anything you can throw back to couples who are currently in it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like for sure. What would you have done differently?
Speaker 4:To be honest, I feel like I had a truly flawless wedding day Like there's not. I was told, expect things to go wrong, so I was fully expecting if things go wrong it'll be, okay, you know managing your expectations is a good way to start, so hey it is, it's a great way, but mine personally were like my expectations were blown out of the water, like it was.
Speaker 4:It was such a good day, and I will tell you why. It's because we listen to Kathleen with our vendors. That's a huge one. Um, just having someone who knows the industry inside and out, like you, have so many options when it comes to caterers, when it comes to menu, when it comes to cake I mean like linens and things like that I just don't think about and having someone that was able to be like hey look, here's my experience, I didn't even question it, I was like I'm going with them if they were available. I think that made my day go really flawless. And I would also say, like I feel, like a lot of people, this can be kind of controversial, like on what to really spend your money on, but in my experience, like 100%.
Speaker 4:I do it 10 times again, spending the money on the photographer and videographer.
Speaker 3:So you know some people like they really want it.
Speaker 4:That is not controversial, that that is not what you want to cheap out on, honestly, because that is what is going to last you, that's all your lifetime.
Speaker 3:It's all you have. Yeah, and I know I sound biased you guys can feel how you want. I am a photographer, I stand ten toes down on that, however, yes, it is the only thing you walk away from. It is the only thing that documents the entire day.
Speaker 3:And let me put something on top of that finding a photographer who understands you, who you get along with at the very top of that one you can stomach for the whole entire day Because they will be all in your business Like okay, this might sound low stream, Be comfortable with a photographer who you are fine with seeing you naked. Not to say that they will, but you have to be that comfortable with the photographer.
Speaker 2:Well, and as a coordinator I got to say I can't tell you how many times I've been under a girl's dress to bustle her and I get a little, oh you're not wearing underwear.
Speaker 3:moment, there's a dissociation and we don't care.
Speaker 2:I'm like nice butt cheeks there girl, hey how you doing, I don't care. Like it's just a thing. So we definitely get to know our couples on an intimate level. But one thing I also want to mention is that her, her photo video team.
Speaker 4:They worked together as a great combo who did video um Mallory Francis weddings and it was very retro kind of vibe but like yes, very retro.
Speaker 2:They were so good at texting me like hey, we're leaving the church, headed your way running behind, like they were communicative that's great, yes, and when they showed up to the venue they were smiling. You could tell they had had fun. Sometimes, when a photographer shows up, they look sweaty and tired and ratchet and they got all this equipment and they look at me like damn, I got four more hours of this shit and I'm like yeah, I'm like 80% of that.
Speaker 3:I will show up sweaty. I have all the equipment, but I don't think I do that last part.
Speaker 2:These girls busted in like they were there. They were like, hey, we're here for the party and I'm like, girlfriend, take a left, it's right there.
Speaker 2:I was like are you hungry? Let's get you fed, let's do this. We're about to bustle her and party on. So and and I will I need to throw this out there, sosy, when I when it comes to trusting your vendors her cake, when her cake got delivered, they had this little like tiny version of their dog that they wanted kind of like worked in on the cake and they wanted to kind of have that little like nibble taken out of the cake. And, yes, and the cake baker like dropped off the cake and she didn't set it up and I was like, uh, I'm gonna make this happen and so I was trying to like.
Speaker 2:I was like god, I hope I don't fuck up her cake. And so I put the little dog there and I took a little butter knife and I kind of like took some of the icing off and had it look where it like had taken a nibble out of the cake. But and Dottie was there and she was. I was like does that look right? And then I took some of the icing and like blooped his nose so that there was a little icing on his face. But it looked perfect. Okay, it was perfect. And so I like sent her a picture and I was like I don't even know if she has her phone on her. I was like hope this is what y'all, raymond, for.
Speaker 4:I literally think he said. I think he said hope this is right. I was like yes.
Speaker 3:You had me worried. Whenever I think about dogs and cakes, I think about that one wedding we did. Oh, that was the weirdest what happened. Oh, it was okay. So a friend did a wedding cake. Yes, and they did these little figurines of dogs and cats.
Speaker 2:But they looked like they had been in a disastrous fire or something they melted. They did not look okay, they were a little clumpy. It was a delicious cake. I don't think I had it. It was key lime flavored. I remember that. That's why I didn't have it. But these animals, they survived. A terrible, tragic incident.
Speaker 3:That is all I can say. They were lit on fire, they were melting actively on the cake, yeah it was not great. I have pictures. It is horrendous.
Speaker 2:She's looking at me like what are we supposed?
Speaker 3:to do with this cake? What do you want me to do with this? And?
Speaker 2:I'm like cut it and serve it oh my gosh. The bride didn't care. She was happy because her friend made it. Okay, that's all that matters, but your cake was stunning and I did not want to mess it up at all.
Speaker 4:So stunning and I did not want to mess it up at all, and so I was like oh, here we go.
Speaker 3:Sidebar. I'm looking at your wedding pictures right now as we're doing this interview, and I am just wonderful. I'm living for the moment right now. I think I'm at the rehearsal dinner right now.
Speaker 2:So when, when I talk about the trust factor that they put in me, like when her mom was like where should they get ready, I was was like there's an Airbnb over here. It's plenty big, it's kind of got this vibe. Why don't you go check it out? Boom, booked. And then I was like, okay, you can take pictures over here at the formal garden. You can do this. You can do that. Boom done. Like, yep, every vendor that I was like I think this would be the right fit for you. Booked, done, boom, and it made life so easy and for everybody, honestly, for everybody camille's going through your gallery.
Speaker 2:She keeps turning the camera around and making this face like, oh, look at this one, oh, look at this, they're, they're I love it I love it.
Speaker 3:I'm still in the rehearsal dinner and honestly I should have done this beforehand.
Speaker 4:But here we are, um, and that's something that I would, I would suggest for brides to like if their photographer is down invest in rehearsal dinner photos, because that night went by, that was a blur and like that. That's when all of the people that you love and cherish are together to celebrate you and your future spouse. And I was kind of iffy on it just because of price again, but um, but again I trust my photographer and my photographer was like I really think you're going to enjoy these for years to come and I said you know what, I trust you it's so raw it's like his, his.
Speaker 4:You know um Michael's grandmother, you know who doesn't live here anymore. You know like moments like that, like meeting at the church and everyone's speeches that's the first time you meet them yes, exactly, and and and that.
Speaker 4:That moment, that night just went by so fast. But it was one of the most memorable moments of the entire wedding weekend and I'm so glad I have all these precious memories of people that mean the most to me. And Michael, um, you know it's part of the gallery. I think that that's really. It kind of reminds you, like why you're getting married, you know, like for bringing families together, you know for love, all these things that can get kind of lost.
Speaker 2:Well, like when I was going through the gallery, I'm looking at a gallery from a vendor perspective, like, hey, what photos.
Speaker 3:And what can?
Speaker 2:I use. Yeah, what would be fun for marketing. And when I found that black and white one of Michael and all of his groomsmen, I was like man. I said they look like they're about to drop the album of the year over here. Like what is this?
Speaker 4:They did though they really did. They looked so cool.
Speaker 2:I felt like I needed to give them a rock band name and be like, hmm, I wonder what their vibe's going to be you guys had Cards Against Humanity.
Speaker 3:That's amazing. I love it.
Speaker 4:Yes, yes, I made Michael a little care package for him and his groomsmen, because I knew that men don't plan like that. They do not so I gave him a little, a little pack of you know game and games and, um, a speaker, um, I think, cigars, just like a, like a little man pack you know to have because they're you know they're chilling, like he was having the most they're just riding, they're there yeah, they're just riding it out. You know drinking beers all day. They went golfing before um the wedding.
Speaker 4:You know they just were being bros yeah, they don't have hair appointments and makeup like they're just no, yeah, we yeah, my hair girl got there at no makeup, got there at seven, I think, so I mean our day started early so I have a random question.
Speaker 3:From what I'm looking at, I'm just going to assume you had two photographers.
Speaker 4:I did. I had hired two um, but we had actually a few more. Allie had some people come on that are kind of almost like apprentices I think that's the right word where they were studying under her, and she was like, hey, I have these friends who want to get into the business. Are you okay with me bringing them on board? And again, since I trust Allie, I was like you know what? Yes, and so I got really spoiled that day. I had a lot of help, but, um, but Madeline Rose is the technical hired on second photographer, who's also my friend and who I love.
Speaker 2:So not a pro moment, but I got to say the little Instagram or Facebook video that you and your dad took right before y'all walked down the aisle, yes, will forever be a moment for me. Like I wish every bride kind of did that, cause y'all were so cute. We were like hey, we're about to go down the aisle. Your dad was so excited and I thought whose phone are they doing this on? Cause I'm thinking surely she doesn't have her phone on her Like no, it was my dad.
Speaker 4:I was like dad, get your phone out. Like this is, this is our final moment. I mean, I have a really special relationship with my dad, so just kind of capturing that moment was really, really fun for us.
Speaker 2:He kind of came up and he's like thanks for handling everything, I'll be at the bar. I'm like no problem, whatever you need, buddy, oh, these.
Speaker 3:Oh my God, Betsy, I'm just scrolling through these these look amazing got Betsy. I'm just scrolling through these. These look amazing okay, what was going on at Overton Park. I see a formal photos this oh yes, and our first.
Speaker 4:We did our first look and our private vows these are beauts.
Speaker 3:I gotta call Allie, she did a great job with these, yeah she knocked it out of the park. I even I'm like, oh God.
Speaker 2:But here's the thing If you got to know Betsy, like once you see her smile in person and then you see those on the gallery. It's legit like happy, happy, happy.
Speaker 3:It's inspiring. It really is Like she did a really great job and I am I. I'm a bitch when it comes to looking at pictures.
Speaker 2:We're a little judgy over here.
Speaker 3:I will just tell you the truth. I'm very direct and I'm okay with that in my big old age of 36.
Speaker 4:I love it. That's Virgo energy I love it.
Speaker 3:She's a Leo, I'm a Leo, but my moon is in.
Speaker 4:Virgo, oh, you're a Leo. Oh, my lord.
Speaker 3:My moon is in Virgo. Hey, we've got a little wiggle room.
Speaker 2:So these pictures are amazing. You did a great job. When the wedding was over, did y'all immediately leave for a honeymoon or did y'all have a little break?
Speaker 4:we did yes, we left um at like six the next morning.
Speaker 2:Oh, wow, okay so where did y'all go, yeah?
Speaker 4:uh, yeah, that was michael's choice. He's like we can sleep on the beach. All right, we can sleep on the beach.
Speaker 3:All right, we can sleep on a beach. Where was the final?
Speaker 2:destination.
Speaker 1:Did you hate him for that? No, I got a little bit.
Speaker 2:Do you know how many brides I have that text me from the airplane. They're like we never went to bed. We're going to sleep on the plane. That's how it felt. That's how it felt. It's always the flight from Memphisphis to houston at like six in the morning when they're headed to like costa rica or somewhere no golly, but you know what I'm saying that and I'm still a dumb bitch we ended we had a really small wedding.
Speaker 2:We ended it around nine o'clock and we got up at maybe like four, six o'clock and we drove like we were driving to our destinations like I think we went to wow but we, we did like universal, uh, not only in pensacola so yeah, we did that kind of, just because I know you did you do that so you could go to the hogwarts thing.
Speaker 3:Yes, so it was a hogwarts honeymoon. We uh did lunch in atlanta because I had a really great place that I love to go to. So that was us. But flying out going somewhere, no, that has to wait till monday at least oh, no, oh my god.
Speaker 2:I have so many brides who are like, yeah, our flight leaves at like 7 am and I'm like, okay, I keep turning the phone around like look at this one. Where was your final destination for the honeymoon? Where? Where did y'all go?
Speaker 4:We went to, we flew into West Palm Beach and then we drove to Orlando for a couple days.
Speaker 3:Nice, okay, okay, okay. Where did you do Orlando?
Speaker 4:Well, we were doing the parks, we stayed at the Hard Rock, so it's a hotel on property. But our honeymoon honeymoon it rained the entire time. I mean it was just. I know it was constant downpour, which is not really common, I feel like for orlando, usually it's like you know, a couple 20 minute shower or something like that quality time it was.
Speaker 2:It was pretty rainy, but we made the best of it absolutely well, clearly, that because there's a baby now she's like well, it's raining, let's just stay in. Let's just stay in, michael, it's fine. There's something we could do to occupy ourselves no biggie. Whatever could we do? Whatever?
Speaker 3:We have nothing to do. Yes, okay. So all that? Your wedding went flawlessly. You had great vendors. Was there anything you ran into that you weren't expecting from your wedding day that you learned something from?
Speaker 4:um, I was not, and this may just be a personal thing, I don't know how many other brides go through this, but I found it very difficult to eat for like over 24 hours, starting at the rehearsal dinner and then leading up into even like the first day of the honeymoon, like at the airport I it was hard for me to eat. I think it was just nerves and energy and everyone being there and just the excitement of it all. I found it really hard to eat and sleep.
Speaker 3:I was not prepared for that honestly, was it like you feeling the pressure to host people or to be on for them? I?
Speaker 4:think it was just like having every single person that I love and cherish and then having everyone he loves and cherish all together. I think it was just. It was overwhelming in a really beautiful and positive way, but just eating kind of didn't even seem like something that I wanted to do, even though I knew I needed to.
Speaker 3:So yeah, well, and some people feel some ladies get some kind of way about all the eyes on them, like everybody's looking at them, to like for sure be the host be perfect, be on all the time, and and it's hard to be on all the time and to speak to that most people don't really realize that you are hosting people, you are the maestro of this whole event, like they just want to be there.
Speaker 3:It's like, no, you're actually hosting a party and some people feel that and it sounds like you felt that, like that responsibility to host people to make sure everybody was okay, so you weren't eating, and some people are completely oblivious to the fact that they actually are hosting a party with a ton of people sounds like you felt that and lots of things going on behind the scenes, like you want to make sure everything's perfect.
Speaker 2:Your phone's blowing up, you're trying to look perfect you want to make sure you're comfortable it's a lot going on yeah, the weddings are, it is. It's a lot going on. Yeah, the weddings are.
Speaker 3:It is, it's a lot going on, absolutely, I'm just, I'm living for your gallery. I wish.
Speaker 2:I had counted the number of times that she has flipped my phone around to show me something my wrist, is hurting.
Speaker 3:I have flipped this phone around so many times and give her this look like oh, my God. She's mouthing all these words and I'm like I have no idea what she's saying, but she looks so happy. She's like oh my god, oh my god. I'm living for your gallery and it's the craziest thing. I went to the end and I'm assuming now that that was just the highlight, because now I'm back to the getting ready pictures. Ali, oh yeah, you did an amazing job with this gallery.
Speaker 4:It is amazing she's the best Like. I was speechless. Honestly. It's great she gave us so many photos. She even apologized. She's like I'm sorry you have so many. I was like do not apologize for that. Like I, would so much rather have too many than not enough.
Speaker 2:Okay, so great. In the aftermath of everything, do you have any regrets about doing a first look?
Speaker 4:No, no, absolutely not. I was a nervous wreck until I saw him. I mean, like I was, I was chugged. There's a. There's a picture of me in the gallery chugging Topo Chico because my tummy was like so upset.
Speaker 2:So, to be fair, I plan on using that for a post on staying hydrated.
Speaker 4:Okay. No, you're different, I mean seriously do it Like I did not have a drop of alcohol my entire wedding day. I had a sip of champagne when we did the cake cutting and that was it.
Speaker 3:Girl, I wouldn't have thought that because you are animated this whole day, that's amazing. Okay, so I have.
Speaker 3:I have a bit of a fight sometimes with my couples and I want to say, is just from just not knowing the information, I want to say, is just from just not knowing the information, I and I'm okay with this Most of the times I have to sell couples on the idea of a first look because they have all these known and unknown expectations Cause, like I want to, I want him to see me crying when I'm coming down the aisle and like girl I've done this hundreds of times I'm telling you, when you do a first look, it's going to help with those nerves and there is nothing you could do to take away from the fact when we, when you are coming down the aisle, you are getting married.
Speaker 4:It's yeah.
Speaker 3:The first look is not going to take away from you coming down out. Let's be real. You guys, legally, by law, you've already signed these papers. Y'all probably got some kids. Y'all have been fucking for a while. There is nothing that is going to change between him seeing you two hours before the wedding and you coming down the aisle.
Speaker 2:If you want to flip it up, you can wear a veil.
Speaker 3:It is the guys, but you have to question that. It's like no, I want to see you when I'm coming down the aisle. He's like no, what you're doing is based on antiquated things that we don't do anymore, and you're holding them tight. You're holding these superstitions and you're making them your own. I need you to think about what you actually want and what is actually real, because some people they can't separate it Me as a photographer. I have to lay it out on the table and let them know that I think you're holding on to antiquated ideas.
Speaker 2:Maybe we need to do like a poll on social media, Like, hey, if you didn't have a first look, do you regret it in the aftermath? Do you wish you had done it? Oh yeah, that's a good idea.
Speaker 3:I ask everyone Like even I asked Brittany and Christy. I said okay, you did a first look.
Speaker 2:Do you think it took away from? You from your when you saw them coming down. Oh my god, as much as they cried. Are you kidding me?
Speaker 3:right, I've never had so many tears, happy, happy.
Speaker 2:That was love.
Speaker 3:Tears, all day, love but he was like man that takes a lot to stand at the aisle and tell somebody you loved him. I was like I know it, girl, she was like she's.
Speaker 2:Like I felt like my vows were practically the same. I said that means y'all want the same things. That's good, like that's okay. Um, now, is there anything like about the day that you felt like you maybe spent a little more money, kind of wish it had been a little cheaper, kind of like feel like some kind of way um, that's a good.
Speaker 4:I mean, I was shocked at like how much the food and a bar was like. That was where a huge chunk of our money went did y'all do a full bar?
Speaker 2:because I feel like y'all did we did.
Speaker 4:Well, we, we did. We had an open bar, yeah yeah, that's that's how many guests did you have?
Speaker 2:oh um, I think you're fine, I think y'all were around 160, maybe.
Speaker 4:Okay, yeah, yeah, I was gonna say I I think, like we invited, like she, like we, our max was 250 and then obviously not everyone, not everyone um agreed to come all right, let's say 250, you got 175.
Speaker 3:You're still spending money. Yeah well, she had a great caterer and their service was outstanding.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, we love working with them and I felt like everything with the reception was so easy. Now, your mom had a hookup on flowers, so that was a big plus.
Speaker 4:Your mom knew the florist really well, and so I don't know if she got a discount, she definitely got her money's worth because they were beautiful. Yes, yeah, I don't know if we got a discount, but but we definitely I mean, yeah, I mean florals, for sure, I mean they're beautiful.
Speaker 2:Now, how was your hair and makeup experience overall? Did you feel like it was time consuming or easy? Did it flow nicely? Um, it did.
Speaker 4:So I actually that that was one of the things that, um, I I put out a poll on Instagram like asking people like who should you book for makeup? And I just I was told a name and I just went with them. You know, I didn't really I just trusted, kind of blindly trusted this person, yeah, and I had a makeup trial with her and she was doing hair and makeup, love her to death. She's a wonderful person, but just her style of makeup was not for me and I was kind of panicking because I was like is it too late? Like should I say something, should I not? And I ended up just using her for hair and getting a new makeup artist and honestly, I would do that a hundred times again. Like, don't worry about hurting people's feelings. Like it's your day. If you feel in your gut like this is not for me, just trust that, no matter what.
Speaker 4:Like trust it and and in the end, your vendors want, they want to make you happy, you know she wants me to feel beautiful, and if that's not her style of makeup, but she can do my hair then perfect, and that's what happened with us.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, and like with us, from a planner perspective, we can get people our preferred list, but we can't force anybody to hire off of it and be like, hey, I think this is who you need, but you just never know, and so I'm glad that you had the trial and I'm I'm trying to kind of remember who all we had and we're not going to name names, so but I do recall like being like, hey, who else are my options?
Speaker 2:I'm like, hey, here's some people. But you know, that happens quite frequently. One thing that I've learned since we started doing the podcast when we interviewed with Kim and Dee in the past, we've talked about the fact that a lot of ladies, it's like they go and do the trial but then they don't communicate with the makeup artist Like, hey, totally, I wasn't crazy about this, could we do this differently?
Speaker 3:Yep, it's a complete disconnect.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and Kim, you know we've laughed about all the girls that show up Like you might have a blonde lady like Betsy that comes in blonde hair, blue eyes, you know, and they want to look like Kim Kardashian and she's like, yeah, that's not going to happen. I mean Kim joke about this.
Speaker 3:all the time it's the people that come in. They'll say I want a natural look and what you're showing? Them takes a lot of makeup to make that base and it's like no, you don't understand. You have a lot of makeup you have to put on to get this natural look, and when you start putting that makeup, on and caking those layers, they get really nervous. There's a layer of trust that goes into that.
Speaker 1:Listen, I still. I cannot give myself a smoky eye.
Speaker 2:I always end up looking like some 3am cracko. It just it's not pretty. Like I've got, like I get fallout Like it'll. There's something about, I think, my skin texture. That just isn't pretty. So, anywho, well, betsy, thank you so much for making time for us tonight, is there?
Speaker 2:anything that you feel like you know from a, from a bridal perspective, what sort of advice would you have for the newly engaged, like what, what order of things do you think is most important? What, what sort of um budget do you feel like they need to have? Like, spill all the tea, just give us a full education.
Speaker 4:Okay, I think first things first is like is get your venue. That was something that I we got engaged and we got engaged in October, so got married the next November. We got engaged in October, so I got married the next November and I started looking for venues instantly and there was only one available for my date.
Speaker 2:Yeah, your mom reached out and she was like we have to have a church wedding. And I was like, okay, and then she's like, and then this is what I need. And I said I have the place for you. I said there's a church here, it's literally like a block away from this venue. They're available on your date. And she was like done, perfect, yes.
Speaker 4:I'm glad that we're done.
Speaker 2:Book those things first is what I would tell anyone, and I remember your mom kind of struggled with the church lady Like she was having trouble. I think they were having some staffing changes or something, and so she was a little nervous because she couldn't get a phone call back from that lady for a couple of days.
Speaker 4:I think that's what. Yeah, to be honest, my mom was so great Like she. She took on a lot of stress for me because, like I said, I'm so opposite of type a like it'll work out.
Speaker 4:I it'll, it'll be fine, like it'll just happen, you know, um, and then meanwhile I have my mom slaving away making it happen, you know, um, but yeah, I mean so there definitely was some scares with some communication issues, but I mean, all in all, like it worked out really well. It was the pastor's wife who was our coordinator and she was great. I mean, I only met with her maybe like three times, but she was super awesome, so that again was really helpful.
Speaker 2:I've worked with that church before and they had a lady that I think retired and then the pastor's wife took over.
Speaker 4:Gotcha Okay yeah.
Speaker 2:When your mom started reaching out, she was maybe like either out on vacation or something, and so your mom was like kind of like I'm like trust the process. I promise this church is amazing, it's going to be fine Like and the location was great. Yeah, the location could not not have fit better like we really got y'all right in the heart of midtown. We got your getting ready space, your venue and everything really, it was all like.
Speaker 3:I've seen the locations, I know what each one is yep you did good, it was perfect. It's amazing it was absolutely perfect I'm actually quite upset because kathleen's gallery is unloading and I can't see the rest. But I saw the highlights and it was amazing, but I can't see I love it. I'm gonna look at it later. Allie, once again you did an amazing job now.
Speaker 2:Yes, bravo now. Did you guys actually go to the cake tastings, or did your mom do that too?
Speaker 4:no, yeah uh, we both went to that okay of course, and then, and then same with the food. Yes, of course. Yeah, no, no, I mean, remember, my mom doesn't live here, you know, she's in Franklin.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but she came down to visit though she came down a few times, she did, she did, yeah, wow.
Speaker 3:Kudos mom, she did good.
Speaker 2:They were literally like they moved like two weeks after they booked me. So she was like I'm living out of boxes, everything's chaotic and it was crazy. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 3:Betsy, yes, I want you to let future current brides and couples that are planning their wedding. Do you have any advice for them? Because you know, we know, they can't see the other side right now. You've been in it, you've seen the other side, you've had help. Is there anything you can tell couples that are in the thick of it right now that can help them get through to the other side?
Speaker 2:Other than calling me.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 4:I was going to say as long as you have like this is assuming that you have a good team of people that you know are working on your behalf. But if I'm speaking just to the brides honestly and I had a friend who told me this a lot when things started getting stressful, so I'll just pass this wisdom along Don't lose sight of why you're doing this Like you're. If, at the end of the day, nothing goes right and you guys still say I do and you're married, then it's a successful day, like it really is. It really is about the person that you're marrying and it's about the love and the commitment that you guys are making before your friends, before your family, and I think that that thank you.
Speaker 4:I think that that can get really lost in if you're someone like me who gets overwhelmed easily with the planning and all of that.
Speaker 4:So again, I'm speaking from a place if I had people that were right behind me doing all the hard stuff so I can say like, flow with your emotions.
Speaker 4:You know I can talk about the more ooey gooey part of it, but that would be my advice to any bride that feels overwhelmed Just take a step back, take a deep breath. You know. Go kiss your husband. To be, you know, just just remember that it's supposed to be fun, it's supposed to be a celebration and, no matter what, it's going to be beautiful. Even if something goes wrong, it's still going to be your day and you're going to look back and laugh at it and I think that that mindset's really, really important for any bride to kind of practice embodying that, letting go a little bit and just enjoying the ride in the process and know that it's going to play out however it plans out, if, if you didn't want rain and it rains, it's gonna rain and you know what it it's all about just like taking that on and being like this is my day and um, and it's going to be perfect, no matter what I love that and you know, because life lives and does what it's going to do.
Speaker 3:Sometimes we can get so overwhelmed in just life in general. You add this on top of it and you can turn it into a negative stressor. And it doesn't have to be. It's something we preach constantly because they can take that off of you. They can say no. I see where you are. This is where you are and you need to push through that and it's going to be just fine, because this is what's on the other side.
Speaker 2:You know what Great example of that. This weekend at our wedding, I started looking at the radar we had issues.
Speaker 2:It looked like it was about to downpour and I went to Camille before I went to the couple because I didn't want to freak them out and I'm like, hey, this looks like it's coming. It may hit us, may not, because where the wedding was there was a lot of tree cover, yeah. But I was like if y'all want to go get these pictures before this area gets wet and we did y'all may want to pivot and so they did and and the couple took it with the grain, like they were like okay, let's pivot like they almost act like they didn't know what you really said.
Speaker 3:I was like do you really know what we're doing? You guys stand here, do that. And it worked out just fine. Yeah, and it didn't rain.
Speaker 2:It was great there you go, but they, they were willing to pivot a little bit just in case just in case we were ready, just yeah. So that was a great feeling for me. It was like okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:They were like, okay, All right, and so we went over to their. For them. We went to their ceremony location. We made sure we took pictures of them and their bridal party standing next to them pictures of them kissing at their actual altar, and it was almost like we needed for, not because it didn't rain, it didn't rain, but we had those things just in case and they were just okay. We're here and it was it was beautiful.
Speaker 2:Nothing, nothing was lacking nothing was lacking yes it was amazing the only thing I think I would have done differently last weekend. I wish that they had communicated to their family like hey, when the ceremony's over, y'all need to stay here for these pictures, because we have? We had to work the process and I mean that it's always a little chaotic but yes this, this one a little we were literally like hey, are you, maria, come on this way.
Speaker 3:Like it was like roll call rallying the troops, which is why okay tip for anyone who's listening me personally as a photographer, I make sure you give me the names of.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that shot list was super helpful.
Speaker 3:I do it for everything you're welcome because I was walking around.
Speaker 2:I was like hi, are you jason? And he was like yes, I am, are you jason s? Yes, I was like you look like aunt janelle, come on this way and it helped a lot yep, because we've never seen their faces before we're like not at all pivot, not at all.
Speaker 3:Thank you, betsy, so much.
Speaker 2:You have been a bright, shining light don't worry, camille, you're probably going to meet her because she wants to come join us on the patio for barbecue one weekend okay, yes I do, yes, we do. So we're going to have another weekend, probably a sunday, okay, so?
Speaker 3:how far along are you right now? So what?
Speaker 2:stage. Am I going to see this baby? She's September. She's due in September.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I'm 23 weeks today, okay, so I'll see you before you pop this baby out more than likely.
Speaker 2:Yes, and you know I've got a hot tub if you just need to come soak your feet. You know, I remember when Amber was pregnant she found this little Asian foot massage place over there on Germantown Parkway and after she was like I found this place, it's like $15 and they rubbed my feet for like 30 minutes and I was like that sounds incredible.
Speaker 4:Yeah, Honestly send me that. I need that number myself.
Speaker 2:She said her feet were swelling so bad during her pregnancy, she was just miserable.
Speaker 4:So man, I fully expect that I I really do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I bet your mom and dad are just so excited, they're excited they're over the moon they're so happy. I wish I got in like a video moment of the moment you told michael like hey, by the way, we're pregnant, because I just feel like he would have been, like he probably felt yeah he looked so sweet it rocked his world.
Speaker 4:He looks so sweet.
Speaker 3:Like the pictures I've seen, he looks like a complete most precious human yeah he really is.
Speaker 2:You'll love him, he's a hoot.
Speaker 3:He looks fun yeah for what I've seen your pictures and I didn't even see the nitty-gritty. I saw the outline and a piece of the getting ready.
Speaker 2:Uh, kathleen yeah, I had to turn my phone off. I think there's something you know there. We've got storms coming in today and it's acting like my cellular network is once again for the fourth time.
Speaker 3:Shout out to ali perkins, she did an amazing job, the emotions okay. So okay, let me ask this question. I know she had helpers, but for the rehearsal dinner did she have helpers?
Speaker 4:that was all her. She did a good job.
Speaker 3:She did a really good job.
Speaker 4:I mean every moment. There was not a moment missed Beautiful beautiful If I saw something and I was like, oh, I hope she got that, like I got the gallery and I was like she got it.
Speaker 3:And I know how hard it is Like when people come up and randomly hug you. That is not the easiest thing to grab, because there's focus and there's hitting it and those things are quick and she did it.
Speaker 4:She did it very good, so that's what I'm saying. She's a natural, like she's truly doing what she was born to do and like she was shooting difficult lighting, like even when you guys were coming back from rehearsal dinner in the hallway it looks like with that dip.
Speaker 3:She did great. Like I'm just that much of a nerd, I'm nerdy now she did. She did a really good job.
Speaker 4:Yes, her technical skills are nuts.
Speaker 3:Her technical skills. She did really good for what she had to work with. Because me, I'm extraordinary. I like to have extra lighting so I can make sure I get that moment how it's supposed to be. I can tell she was shooting without anything else except her camera and maybe a light on top. It's great.
Speaker 1:Yep.
Speaker 3:It's great, betsy. Light on top, it's great. Yep, it's great, betsy. Thank you so much for coming and telling us everything about your wedding day. I appreciate you being so candid with us about your ups and downs and your vendors and your experience. I know brides are going to walk away with a little bit more confirmation, with some confidence and knowing that they can do the exact same thing.
Speaker 4:Yeah, of course it was on. I'm so honored that you guys asked me to be on here.
Speaker 2:This was so much fun Well we really look forward to seeing you guys again and hopefully I'll get you well fed, so feed the baby. Yes, please Send me your list of everything you want, because you know I post all the recipes, so if you see something, that I posted Anything, cause you know, I post all the recipes.
Speaker 4:So if you see something that I posted Anything and everything, everything sounds good, now I'll send mine.
Speaker 2:Really. I want to try that crispy potato salad thing now where you roast the potatoes and then mix them, cause that looks amazing. Okay, I'm here for it, all right.
Speaker 3:So anyone who wants to get on the podcast and let us know about your experience, you get bonus points If you're a past bride of myself or Kathleen Yep.
Speaker 2:And I also want to give a shout out she she used 901 pet sitting for dog wrangling.
Speaker 3:We love them. Yes, we love Ashley.
Speaker 2:Ashley's our pet sitter, so I love that Camille uses her too, cause Ashley's a hoot.
Speaker 3:She'll be here on the 18th. Well, somebody will be, here All right. Well, I think we already probably hit on this.
Speaker 4:But just in case, betsy, do you have anything to send the people out with to let them know that it's going to be okay? It's going to be okay. You know it's going to be okay, no matter what. You're getting married and that is freaking awesome.
Speaker 3:Enjoy it, I agree. I completely agree. Enjoy the process?
Speaker 2:Like don't stress. Yeah, enjoy the process, like don't stress.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Don't stress, hire the best. Yeah, hey, there you go. That's the tagline. Yes, and I will say your mom left me a beautiful review.
Speaker 4:So I really was so tickled. Oh how sweet. I'm impressed you knew how to lead a review.
Speaker 2:Oh yes, Look, your mom was. The gratuity was lovely. She left me a beautiful review. It was a great day all around for our team. We really enjoyed it and every vendor that we referred you to they all said it was a great experience for them. So thank you for being a wonderful client. Um, you know, for me like falling in love with what I do all over again has been a process for me over the last year, like cause, honestly, after COVID I think so many of us were kind of like burning out a little bit.
Speaker 2:It's a day by day and I really went into the last couple of months of my business thinking, okay, I want to remember why I got into this.
Speaker 3:Why do I love putting myself through this?
Speaker 2:Yes, because some of these events are a doozy. But you know when the clients are right and you're really vibing with them like, oh my gosh, it makes everything so great, it's beautiful especially when you have a serving heart.
Speaker 3:It really makes everything worthwhile and it makes it worth it. Money aside, time aside. When you see things fall into place and you see people genuinely happy, it makes you happy. Everything aside, I really appreciate you coming on with us for letting us know that for our couples it is going to be fine and that you are, on the other side, married, happy, with a house and a baby on the way, and and kitties and a puppy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was going to say that. Happy parents that are about to be grandparents.
Speaker 3:Like it's's, it's the american dream so it really is. It really is for all you couples out there. There is help on the way, there is light on the other side and you can get through this with the proper team and with communication with your vendors open and open and honest conversation and everything will be fine. So, betsy, thank you so much for coming on with us.
Speaker 3:Of course. Anyone who wants to be a part of the podcast, please hit us up on our Instagram page, pop the Question Podcast, dm us. You can email us. Hit the link in the bio. We are available in so many ways. We look forward to talking to you guys or just send us your questions. Yes, we loved it.
Speaker 2:We love the, the random questions that we get.
Speaker 3:We have a couple piled up. We're gonna answer those on.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we need to have a q a session we'll do it. We have a couple that are coming so all right, honey bunny, we'll see you soon. Tell michael we said hello.
Speaker 3:Say hi to your mom of course and for everyone and for everyone out there. I'm camille and I'm kathleen, and we will talk to you next time.
Speaker 1:Ciao, bye thanks for joining us on this wild ride through the world of weddings. We hope you're inspired, informed and ready to conquer planning like a pro. Remember your wedding day is about your love story. No one else's break traditions. Embrace your style and have fun along the way. Stay tuned for more episodes of Pop the Question Cheers.