105: Introducing...DOULA DIARIES! 1st Edition [C-Section, Hospital Birth, Unnecessary Episiotomy]

Listen in as I share three different stories from my time as a doula, starting all the way back to my first year over a decade ago. Today you’ll hear how I had the honor of being the eyes in the room for a blind mother as she met her baby for the first time, how I had two first time mom clients go into labor at the same time, and at the same hospital, but who ended up having two very different experiences. And lastly, how I had to literally save a mom from having a completely unnecessary episiotomy. 

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The only provider that was there was a brand new resident, Obi Jen, who looked scared out of his mind. I mean, he looked younger than me, and he was like petrified. And he sees that the heart rate's low and he was like, we need to do an epesiotomy. And I looked at him and I was like, the baby is crowning. Hi, I'm Kayla Heater, follower of Jesus, wife and mother of five children, Christian childbirth educator in doula, and your host of the Surrendered Birth Stories podcast, where we share God-centered birth stories, evidence-based birth education, and our pursuit of surrendering our birth plans to God. Let's get started. Happy week, everyone. I hope yours is going well wherever you are in the week. I am in shock right now. Well, not okay, not shock, in awe, because I just realized that today's episode is the last episode of season two. We have gone a whole nother year, and that is mind-blowing to me. I have to admit, life has caught up with me a little bit lately, just between, you know, kids and pregnancy and clients and um the house and us still not having another car. Life is just life, and it's it's been a lot. But as I was sitting down to record this week's intro, I realized this this is it for season two. Next week, we start season three of the Surrendered Birth Stories podcast. And I can hardly believe it. Labor Day will be our two-year anniversary of this show, and that's just amazing to me. I'm just feeling so blessed. And you know, in all transparency, sometimes week in and week out, between me scheduling recordings and you know, being either up late or just sort of busy during the day with it, and my husband, who's definitely up late, um, editing the podcast and producing it, it does tend to be a lot. It would definitely be a lot easier just to not do a podcast. Um, and sometimes, you know, you get kind of discouraged thinking, is this even making a difference? Does this even matter to anybody? It's all this effort for nothing. I hope somebody's listening to it. I hope it means something to somebody. And then I get a new review, which doesn't happen often, y'all, but I get a new review. And I was so happy when I went to read. I always check every week if we got a new review or not. And this one just truly brought so much joy to my heart. So I'm gonna read it for you right now. Five stars by Bri King. She says, This podcast has been an absolute gift during my pregnancy. From the very first episode, I felt wrapped in warmth, truth, and encouragement. The way it weaves together faith, motherhood, and the miracle of birth is nothing short of divine. Each story has spoken directly to my heart, reminding me that I'm not walking this journey alone. God is with me, and so are countless other women who've walked this path in faith. Kayla speaks with such compassion and wisdom, and her words have brought peace to my anxious moments and joy to my quiet ones. It's like having a trusted friend and spiritual mentor in my ear, cheering me on and pointing me back to Christ every step of the way. If you're an expectant mama looking for light, love, and truth in the midst of all the changes, this podcast is a must. It's not just informative, it's transformational. Thank you for being a radiant part of my pregnancy story. Ah, I've got goosebumps. Okay. And see, it's reviews like that that motivate and encourage my husband and I to keep going and to keep doing this podcast. Because when we realize it is making a difference for others and that the love of Christ is being shared week in and week out, then I don't want to say it's easy to keep going, but it's worth it. It's worth it to keep going. And I don't know who you are, Bri King, but whoever you are, after you have your baby, I would love for you to reach out if you want to share your birth story, because I would love to meet you over Zoom. Um, that just meant so much to me. Thank you so much for sharing that. That warms my heart. And we finally have 50 reviews. We now officially have 50 reviews on Apple Podcasts, which is wonderful. If you would like to make that 51 or 52 or however many, and maybe have me read your review here on the show, that would be amazing. You can leave a review too. All you have to do is scroll down on Apple Podcasts and click write a review. That's really how simple it is. Um, doesn't take long at all. And you know what? It helps this show tremendously. So I would really, really appreciate it. I cannot wait to read another review after reading that. That was so exciting to me. Okay, last episode of season two. This one's a little bit different for us today, and you'll see that as I am about to get into this week's episode. Listen in today as I share three different stories from my time as a doula starting all the way back to my first year over a decade ago. Today, you'll hear how I had the honor of being the eyes in the room for a blind mother as she met her baby for the first time. How I had two first-time mom clients go into labor at the same time and at the same hospital, but who ended up having two very different experiences. And lastly, how I had to literally save a mom from having a completely unnecessary epesiotomy. But it was a request I got when we were doing our hundredth episode, and I asked, you know, what do you want to do to celebrate our hundredth episode? And somebody suggested doing like a doula diaries episode where I told you birth stories that I have attended as a doula, which was crazy because it's there's like a hundred of them. And so I was like, well, that's fun. So I was looking through all of my notes over the past gosh, 10 plus years of births and looking at all these different stories and had a much, much harder time choosing a few to share with you. So this might turn into like a series where we do it like once a quarter or something, a doula diaries episode, you know, once every few months. But I thought it'd be fun. So this is technically a birth story episode, just sort of from my perspective as the doula, instead of the mom's perspective. And I'm going to not say anyone's names. We're going to keep everybody anonymous. So, you know, just to protect everyone's privacy. And I'm also not going to go into all the detail we would usually share in a birth story episode. That way I can include um a few different stories instead of just one. So I hope you guys are ready. I think this is going to be fun because I've been to so many births, and while they're all wonderful and special, and there are definitely some stories that stand out and are a little a little more different than others. So I thought that would be fun to run through some of those. So let's take it back to, I think it was 10 years ago, it was 2015. And I was, you know, starting out as a doula. I was just starting to take my own clients. I had just finished up training and shadowing. And I had a client reach out to me, and this was a unique client because her and her husband were both blind. They were both legally blind. And so it was just a, you know, a different situation than I'm normally in. And they wanted me there for support. She wasn't necessarily trying to have a natural unmedicated birth, but she wanted another set of hands and more importantly, another set of eyes in the room, since both her and her husband were both blind. Now, they already had two children, um, but her second child ended up being a C-section. So this was her third pregnancy, and she was trying to have a V back. And so that was more so why they hired me. Now, I think I'm a lot more up front and forward. I don't want to say pushy, but up front and forward with my clients now than I was back then. Um, because I was starting out, you know, I didn't want to step on anyone's toes, but I wanted to be helpful. And so I probably would have made some other suggestions. I also wasn't a childbirth educator yet or teaching classes yet. So, you know, I had some more education of my own, but she ended up being induced at 40 weeks for high blood pressure, which, you know, is a lot more common these days. So it was a very long induction. It was one of those, like she came in and she was maybe one or two centimeters, and it took a very long time to dilate her cervix. She was on pitocin. I was with her basically from the beginning, like from early that morning at her induction. And we were there all day. We were doing all the things. We were changing positions and walking the halls and trying to stay hydrated and doing all the different things. It was just her, her husband, and myself. And um, it was a very long day. Later that evening, I think when she hit about five centimeters, she did choose to get an epidural. So then she was on that and she felt much better because she and she had never had an unmedicated birth before. And again, she wasn't going for that. She was just going for a V back, so trying to hold off on that as long as possible. So all through the night we labored, you know, rotating her, changing positions in the bed, using the peanut ball, trying to get her to get some rest, but the pain kept ramping up and ramping up. And I've seen that before with many people who choose epidurals. Sometimes, like the closer you get to delivery and the baby being, you know, further down in the birth canal, the more intense it gets, even though you have an epidural. But since you've had an epidural and you're expecting no pain, it's almost like those moms have a much, much harder time dealing with any pain at that point because they're exhausted and the expectation is to not have to feel anything. And so when they feel even the least bit of something, it feels super, super intense to them. So I've seen that a lot now. But back then, um, again, I was newer. So she was in a lot of pain. She was feeling really pushy. Um, but she was only about seven to eight centimeters. And she had been like that for several hours. Well, her doctor comes in, and now it's like eight o'clock in the morning or something like the next day. So we've been at it like over 24 hours now. And her doctor basically says, Look, you're in a lot of pain. This isn't progressing, you know, yada yada yada. And again, I would have stepped in and done a lot more now. Um, but the client at the time was just like, yep, I'm ready to be done. I'm over this. I want it to be over. Like, let's do a c-section. So she consented to a c-section. Of course, the doctor thought that was the best idea. And usually, not a lot of my clients have c-sections, but you know, once in a blue moon, when it does happen, I'm usually not allowed in the room. Most hospitals will not allow the doula back there. Sometimes it's hospital policy, sometimes it's up to the anesthesiologist who has like the most authority in the surgery or in the OR. And usually they say no. But in this circumstance, the nurse that we had actually advocated for me to be able to go back to the C-section with them because neither one of them could see anything. And since everybody else in that room in the OR had a job and had something to do, my job was going to be to support both of them and to help be the eyes in that room for them. And so it was my first time going back to a C-section. So I was a little nervous, but I did great. And we went back there all scrubbed up and everything. And I will never ever forget this moment. The doctor delivers the baby surgically, you know, they cut the cord, they wrap up the baby, they do the examination, and then they bring the baby around. And she can hear, you know, and I'm kind of telling her, this is what's happening now, this is what's happening now, this is what they're doing now. Well, when they bring the baby over and they hand baby to dad, and dad's holding the baby right next to mom, the nurses and the staff are saying, Look at your baby, look how beautiful, look at your baby. And I'm like, she can't see, like, she can't see her baby. So immediately I think the Holy Spirit just took over in this situation because you know, they're used to doing that every day, but they're not used to having a blind person in there every day. So the Holy Spirit just like took over. And I said, Oh my goodness, you know, he has brown hair and he has darker eyes, and he looks just like your daughter, and like just describing like, oh, he's got little tiny fingernails, and his skin is really pinking up and is so smooth, like, feel his cheek, you know, like on her cheek and stuff. And and it was just like this moment of that's what she needed. That's the Holy Spirit knew that I needed to be in there so that I could describe to her what her baby looked like and what she was feeling, and so that she could get a picture in in her mind of of her baby and what and what he looked like. And I'll never ever forget that moment. It was one of the most special times for me as a doula, just being able to not just be supportive on like a practical level, but to be able to be their eyes in that moment. And I've never forgotten it, but and I never will. So moving on to another birth story. This was again, probably in my first year or so, maybe my second year. Um, I'd have to go back and look at the dates, but I was, you know, had my own clients, all the things. It was September, beautiful time. I was actually at a wedding and I get a text from a client, and she says, Hey, I think labor's starting. I feel a little bit crampy. I've had a little bit of bloody show. And I was like, Okay, like that's great. So I kind of looked at my husband and I was like, hey, we might have to leave soon. You know, this was the reception by this point. So the ceremony was over. And I was like, just so you know, because I might I might be going to a birth tonight. She was a first-time mom. And so as we're, you know, we ended up getting to stay for the rest of the wedding. As we are walking out, I get a text that said, Hey, my water just broke. I thought it was from my client who had already texted me that evening. Turns out it was from another client. And I was like, Oh no. No, you can't both be in labor at the same time. I can't, no, what are we gonna do? And of course, as a doula, you have backup doulas who can help you. But they were both first-time moms, and so I didn't know how this was gonna play out. Now, praise the Lord, they were both going to the same hospital. So that was helpful. But what was really funny is so then, like, I get home, I'm getting dressed, I'm getting ready, you know, packing my bags, making coffee, because it's probably like 11 or 12 at this point at night. And my other client texts me and she said, Hey, this is the first girl. She said, Hey, my water just broke. I'm heading to the hospital. And my other client had already told me, I'm heading to the hospital because she was group B positive, you know, she was following hospital policy. They wanted her there right after her water broke, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like, you know, the whole game. And so both of these moms were headed to the hospital. Now, one of them was having contractions, the other one was not. She was just simply going because her water broke. And I was like, wow, we're we're about to see how this plays out. So I get to the hospital, and I kid you not, the waiting room for you know, triage is completely full. And both of my moms of my clients who don't know each other at all are sitting right next to each other, like their chairs are touching in the waiting room. And so when I come over, they both look up at me and they both are like, hey, and then they look at each other like, Wait, wait, what you know, you know her? You what what's going on? And I just bent down and I put both of my hands, like one on each of their legs, and I said, Hey guys, I'm here for both of you this evening. I said, You both texted me around the same time, your waters broke around the same time, and I'm here for both of you, and we're gonna see how this goes. Now, thankfully, the one girl who wasn't having any contractions at all, she was like, Oh, okay, like, wow, like they everyone was just really cool about it. And I was grateful because I did have a backup on standby to come in, but again, I wanted to see how things went. So the girl who wasn't contracting, she was like, Okay, you go be with her, like you go be with her. I will text you and let you know if things pick up, but like right now I'm not contracting. They just want to bring me back, you know, to examine me and and give me antibiotics and all that stuff. I was like, Okay, sounds good. So the other girl who is contracting, I ended up going back to triage with her. It was just me and her and her fiance. They were not married. And so her fiance was back there and he was kind of clueless. He was very much one of those like, I might. passed out. I don't know what to do. I think I'm just going to go to sleep in the corner. And so really I was her, I was like 100% of her support. So we go back in this triage room. She gets checked and the nurse looks at me and just like sort of like puts her lips together and shakes her head. And she's basically she said she's she's not dilated. She's zero. She's a zero. She's not dilated. I was like, well that's okay. Like she's a first time mom. Kind of would have expected that. But she's definitely laboring. Like she's definitely having contractions. So the nurse leaves and she's like, well, you know, since her water is broken, they will admit her, but we don't have a room right now. And so she's just going to have to stay in triage until a room opens up. And I said okay. And so nurse leaves. I'm there with the mom and it's about it's about 1 a.m when all this happens um that she gets checked as one o'clock in the morning. So from 1 to 2 a.m I am with this mom and I can tell she is like laboring hard like in hard labor. And she is moaning through contractions and breathing through contractions and and I'm putting counterpressure on her back. Her back was really hurting. And we're like working through these together. I'm moaning with her to get her voice to stay low. And we are like working like in this hour. And it's it's crazy like because she's just laying in a triage bed. She didn't want to get up she didn't want to move around not that there was anywhere to move around because of course they had all these strapped monitors and wires and everything on her. And so as she gets like it's like two o'clock in the morning and I hear her start to grunt while she's going through a contraction and I said are are you pushing? And she said I I'm not trying to she's like it's just kind of happening. And I said okay well we probably shouldn't push you know like let's just see if you can breathe through those I I talked about doing the horse lips you know you know to try and make sure that she wasn't pushing and I said let me go get the nurse like just and I you know stayed with her through that contraction. I said let me go get the nurse. So I popped out in the hall I found the nurse I said hey she's feeling pushy and the nurse looked at me like I was crazy like I had three heads and she said she's not even dilated like she can't push at all. She's she's a zero I said I I think you might want to check her again. I said we've been really laboring really hard for the last hour. Like it's been very intense and she's been moaning and groaning through a lot of it and she's been having like a lot of back pain and and everything I said you might want to check her. And the nurse just kind of looked at me like you know like like just sort of like that's the last thing I want to do but I got the nurse to come in a little after two and she checked her she put her fingers up there and then she didn't say anything. She pulled her hand out very quickly she immediately jumped on the phone and she said we need a room right now and I was like okay and so usually like they would like get a wheelchair and wheel this mom down the hall blah blah blah but she undid the brakes from the bed she unhooked the monitors she opened the door and she was like we're moving and I was like okay and she didn't say like what she was dilated or anything. She just is like we're moving so what but I imagine she felt the baby's head so we are rushing and it was one of those very much like scene from a movie running down the hallway everyone has their hands on the bars of the bed and we're like going through these double doors and double sets of double doors they magically find a room you know that's open. And so we get in there they like push her into this other bed and they're like don't push and she's like I can't like not push but of course they're like there's no they're like there's no provider there's no midwife we have to go find somebody like you can't push I'm not delivering this baby. It got like you know wildly intense from the staff standpoint. And I was just looking at her I was like just keep breathing. We can do this you've got this and then of course the fiance is like he was like half awake and so then the nurse is yelling at him and he she was like sit down I don't want anyone passing out on me. And so then he's like in the corner on the couch. I mean it was it was wild. And so you know they put her legs up in the stirrups or whatever. And she's like guys I I can't not this is happening right now. Baby is coming and this nurse is like no no no no I need a midwife I need a midwife and she's like yelling into the hallway. So this midwife who was just like faculty staff of the hospital just like runs in, throws on a pair of gloves just enough time to catch the head I mean it really I did feel like we were in a movie it was it was wild because that's not usually you know how birth goes especially for a first time mom. So she catches the head the rest of the baby comes out baby's born at 225 a m so we it was 1 a.m when she got checked and she was zero centimeters dilated and the baby was born at 225 so anything is possible in birth I will just say that anything is anything is possible at all. So again I'm so I've stayed with her for a few hours you know make sure she's settled make sure baby latches and nurses and we get her sent over to mother and baby and all that. And then I go back to my other client who is still in triage um you know because she wasn't able to get into a room yet because of course you know they don't have any rooms and so we go into triage and and she was also zero centimeters dilated but she was not contracting. And so her midwife had said to her like why don't you just sleep here tonight like get some rest and we'll see you know if anything happens in the morning and just kind of see like take it from there. So she tells me to go home. She's like hey why don't you go get rest like I'm gonna get rest you just go home and do that. So I did and then you know checked in with her the next day long story short they ended up augmenting because she wasn't starting labor fast enough and they're all worried about infection because she was GBS positive and blah blah blah blah blah. Again after 10 years of experience I would have I think handled that situation differently but at the time she had consented to a fully balloon and then to Pitocin. I ended up coming back that night that was back when we had to bring our own tubs to the hospital. So I brought the birth tub with me blew it up all the things she labored for a long time I think all through the night eventually the next morning is when the baby came. But that's more so how I would have expected a first time mom's birth to go whose water broke first to be like this 36 hour marathon which it was but you know then you always have those wild cards like the other mom I had been with the night before. So it was it was a bit wild. So two births two babies two clients I will just never forget it was you know obviously extremely back to back and the Lord just knew he knew who needed to be born when and where I needed to be and and all the things so to this day of course this is going to change as soon as I say this to this day knock knock knock knocking on wood praying to the Lord I have never had to call in a backup doula for the actual birth um but I have had some pretty close calls like that. I have definitely had three or four sets of like back-to-back moms where they're both in labor at the same time and I ended up going to one you know right after the other. Anyways all right I've got one more story for you today. So since we're doing like I think we can do a series of these if this is successful at all if you guys hate this and you're like that was really boring don't ever do that again please let me know because I don't want to waste anybody's time but especially my husband's who edits all of these but next labor story. This was also from my earlier days I think this was I had been at it for probably oh a year and some change at this point. So I'd been dueling for a little over a year and I had a first time mom lots of first time mom clients of course and really sweet couple um they were delivering at a hospital most of my clients still grew to hospitals back then birth centers weren't as popular yet in you know home birth worlds again that I feel like that's all just gotten more and more prevalent in the years recent years. So a lot of these stories were from hospitals but first time mom she texted me around like three o'clock in the morning and she's like hey I think things might be starting just want to give you a heads up you can go back to sleep but like keep your phone on loud um you know I think I'm in early labor like you know those sporadic contractions that are spaced far apart and mild and everything. Well by like 730 or so she texted me and she was like okay things have really picked up the contractions have gotten a lot more intense they're sort of back to back. We're gonna go ahead and head to the hospital come and meet us there. I said okay and so get my car go to the hospital meet them there actually beat them by like 10 minutes. So I was able to greet her as her husband pulls up and he's like I don't know what to do with the car. I don't really have time to park it things are really intense and I was like okay just leave it here like put your flashers on and leave it here. So this mom gets out of the car and I was like whoa she's like she's like in transition. She's like this is like the end just based on like all the signs the shakes and the moaning and the back to back super intense long contractions I was like wow this is this progressed really quickly basically so we get up um to labor and delivery and she's like signing all these forms you know in between all these super intense contractions they take her we go to a triage room and the nurse says you know we need to do a cervical exam to see if you're far enough along to stay you know we need to get you hooked up to the monitor you know the whole spiel and she looked at me the my client looked at me and she said I I feel her head and I said you feel her head and she's like yeah I feel her her head is coming out and so I looked at this nurse and I said I think we need a room right now I said it's she says the baby's crowning like the baby's coming out and she looked at me again like I was crazy and she was like honey this is a first time mom I'm sure she's just ready for an epidural blah blah blah blah blah like we have to do a cervical exam. She is not allowed to be admitted to this hospital without getting a cervical exam like I was just like I said no I the baby's coming like right now like we we need a doctor we need a midwife we need somebody because her midwife wasn't even there yet and so she was like she you know I could tell she was really annoyed with me and she's like we're doing a cervical exam and I was like fine and so I looked at my client I said can I pull your pants down and she said yes and so I pulled them down and I pointed and I said look there's the head and then the nurse was like you know like we need a doctor right now I mean it's just it's amazing how much they don't trust it was it's crazy. Um so of course they're like we need a doctor right now we need somebody somebody needs to deliver this baby so the chaos ensues right there's like 30 people rushing um we're just in a triage room so they're like can we please get to a labor and delivery room and I'm like literally the head is like not all the way out of the body but like crowned like you can see it. There's no it was past the pubic bone. And so they throw her on literally throw her on to this bed and wheel her it was only like literally right down the hall into this other room and she's like can I please push and she's a tiny she was a tiny person. She was a very thin person and she's starting to push so it's it's it is taking her a little bit of time. It didn't the baby did not come shooting out okay kind of like we maybe would have expected with a birth that fast but the baby was coming out a little bit at a time. Well they're like we need a heart rate check and blah blah blah blah blah so they throw this monitor on her belly and the baby's heart rate is low. It's not like terribly low. It's like I'm in the birth canal trying to come out low. Well the only provider that was there was a brand new resident OBGYN who looked scared out of his mind. I mean he looked younger than me and he was like petrified and which is not helping the situation right and so he sees that the heart rate's low and he was like we need to do an epesiotomy and I looked at him and I was like the baby is crowning I was like it's past the pubic bone I was like she doesn't need to and this is one very specific thing that this client requested she said no epesiotomy like under no circumstance do I want an epesiotomy and so he gets the scissors out and he was like we we need to do an epesiotomy and I I've never done this since I got my hand and I stuck it over top of her vagina and I looked at him and I said you do not need to do an epesiotomy she is about to push this baby out. The baby is fine and he just kind of looked at me like okay like it was just it was wild it was wild and I I wouldn't usually interfere to that extent but I knew I was like I knew this mom did not need an epesiotomy the baby like you can see this much of the baby's head it was it was wild and so of course with her next contraction and her next push the baby's head came out and then the rest of the baby's body came out and she put her up on her chest and she was screaming and crying and wild and absolutely fine and she did not tear and it was a little baby I mean the baby was only like six pounds like five and a half six pounds it was tiny but I was just like I can't believe that it's I am not a hero. I am not like saving the day these moms while I feel like I'm there to support them and I'm there to advocate for them and to like help them through these labors I know that they're also obviously capable of doing it on their own. But when they're hiring me they're hiring me for those reasons. And so had I not been there, I mean that doctor just would just would have like snapped her perennium oh wide open completely unnecessarily and she would have had a scar and super prolonged healing and all the things and so I'll just never forget that I stuck my hand right over top of her I didn't touch her vagina but my hand was blocking him from being able to use the scalpel and the scissors so anyways um that that's what I did. It was crazy and she and she was like very obviously very very grateful for that and super happy with you know how it ended up going and everything. And her midwife walked in like I don't know five 10 minutes after that it was just it was a wild ride. Every once in a while I do have a first time mom with a fast birth like usually it's the long ones usually it's the marathons you know just this past like summer I guess it's still kind of summer I had multiple first time moms with super long births like 70 some hour births or 48 hours, 36 hours, etc. Just like those really long marathons, which is more so what is normal average and expected. But every once in a while you get one of those those first time mamas who have those super fast lightning births and hospit it's like hospitals don't know what to do with that. Home birth midwives are just like okay put me on FaceTime I'm on my way like oh great congratulations grab a towel make sure you cover them up like they're so calm and peaceful. Birth center we've had a few car babies um not personally my babies but as a doula I've been with some moms with some car babies and and the midwives are on the phone and they're like okay sounds like they're doing good. Okay all right good job mama okay we'll see you in like 20 25 minutes try you know if the placenta starts to come out like just try and make sure you catch it in something I mean just like so calm, right? So I don't know what it is about hospitals and when a baby comes fast that it's like they have so many births every single day you think they would be prepared to deal with that but for some reason they're not it's wild to me. Anyways those are my three stories from I guess it was technically four because the second one was like two and one stories on today's doula diaries and uh if you like this you liked these stories let me know because I've got lots more stories um from doula perspective and I'm happy to you know make this a a quarterly themed episode if you guys enjoy it. So please let me know. Let me know if you enjoy it shoot me a message or do a comment under the you know Instagram reel post or whatever. 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