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Welcome to Designing Success from Study to Studio, I'm your host, Rhiannon Lee, founder of the Oleander and Finch Design Studio. I've lived the transformation from study to studio and then stripped it. Bare, took time to write down the step-by-step framework, so now you don't have to overthink it. In this podcast, you can expect real talk with industry friends, community connection, and actionable tips to help you conquer whatever's holding you back. Now, let's get designing your own success. I've just gotten back from three days at the design show, Melbourne, and let me tell you, it was absolutely worth it for me. I felt like even on day three, I was discovering stalls that I was like, oh wow, I haven't seen this before. Or like, how hard can it be? I think one big. But I guess it was three shows in one. It was bu. It was the Kitchen and Bathroom Show and the design show. I was lucky enough to be invited to host both a panel and an AI workshop. They both went really well. The conversation that I hosted was around human centered design and inclusivity, and it specifically looked. That emotional sensory considerations, neuroscience and behavioral considerations and cultural considerations as well, and how we make everybody feel included when we're creating design. I was speaking with Kelly Van Dewa, Roz Devale Mackenzie, and Hitchem Lulu. It was one of so many deep conversations that I had and real life conversations around the. Temperature out there in the design world, what people are thinking, what they're feeling, what's happening? How have the bookings been this year thus far? Because I have heard it reported that it's quite quiet. Things seem to be picking up. I was loving how many people were excited specifically to talk to me about ar. Obviously being that that's my Dan, that's my wheelhouse, they also were able to. Articulate to me their value and why AI is supporting them at being a better designer, but that they're not really super worried that it's gonna take over their their careers in any way, which was really a positive thing to see because that's how I feel as well. I will apologize in advance for the sound of my voice. Obviously, I've just explained, I've been talking for three days. I wanted to bring you this episode as soon as I could, however, for this, so I release it once edited. Even if that goes out live before Thursday, because I, when I presented my workshop at the design show, I was explaining and showing people what AI automations were in the world of touch pt and how they were already available in the US and Canada and how. They were right around the corner for Australian users of open ai. Then yesterday when I woke up, it had arrived in Australia. I tried to share a reel, um, but it was all a bit much. I was solely parenting the three boys, and I was trying to get something out there for you early, um, to explain, but I thought actually I'd rather explain in more detail and have, you have a really strong understanding and not sort of a 62nd reel where I kind of shout at you about how exciting these new things have arrived. If you haven't read my behind the scenes debrief of the design show, I will pop a link to my substack in the show notes, which will take you to like a huge wrap up that I wrote about all the things that I saw, the things that I experienced, the things that I was involved in behind the scenes, and what sort of happened each of the days that I was there. So you can take a look at that, but I promised you something Wow. In the AI space. So let's deliver. This week. I wanna talk to you about connect. Your sources or applications directly to chat GT. So these are called automations, and it's a way for chat GT to effectively search your own ecosystem of apps and return your own ideas back to you. We know that solo business owners or creative professionals, like interior designers are always juggling emails, files, project info across multiple apps. If I had a dollar for every time somebody worked with me in private coaching was like, great. Does all the things I unicorn. This new ability for AI and AI or chat specifically to connect data sources such as Gmail, Google Drive to your productivity hub or digital assistant will reduce app switching, like jumping around. It's gonna save time and it's gonna allow you to work really efficiently and in one single place, which is what we love. So it's a, it will be a really well integrated system that lets you focus on creative work instead of administrative work, which we're always looking for. So effectively what? I'm announcing is that chat gpt can now search your emails, files, calendar, that sort of thing, so that when you ask a question, it can be really targeted to your own information. So what that means is it doesn't just give answers, it gives your answers from your files, your emails, your data. So imagine you're an interior designer, creative, whatever. You're juggling all your project briefs in Google Docs. You've got client feedback in Gmail. You've got deadlines dotted throughout your Outlook or Google Calendar. You can now ask Chati to pull insights directly from those tools. So it's a much smarter ai. It's not just. Searching the worldwide web. It's actually going. Okay, cool. I know what you're talking about'cause I can see those things in your other applications, so some real world examples of that. What was the budget on the Martin Project? Again, like just if I'm standing on site and I can't remember, I say that it's able to immediately go and search across your platforms and find that answer. Or can you summarize the last three client emails from Sarah? It's just gonna out What that a summary, which is amazing. What's on my calendar this Friday. Check August for me and let me know if there's a solid week that I could book a trip to Japan. You know, you could just ask it, whatever,'cause it can access your calendar. So instead of flipping between all the tabs, files, inboxes, and like trying to remember where you filed things, it can go and search for you. So imagine you have, for me, for example, if I have a whole bunch of supporting documentation for the framework. In Notion or in, um, Google Drive, for example, I might say, go and find the scope of work document, and then I wanna work on improvements on that right now, or talk to me about this or find the scope of work for the Fisher Project and let me know how much I charge for Reupholstery just because I'm out and about and I want to reference it, or I want to, I just wanna know that information. So Chat j BT could now be like, no problems. I've been to the scope of work for the Fisher. Project or the proposal, um, I found the fee proposal. This is how much you charged on this date. Like I can give you some quick information. It's really gonna change the way that we work because we are gonna lean a lot harder on something that can reference our own IP or our own plans. Like it becomes a real, like executive assistant instead of just, um, I don't know, guessing it's been. It becomes our real executive assistant rather than just working on like assumptions or possibility. Okay, so you might hear people call this like connecting sources and think, oh, what does that even mean? So when we talk about connecting sources, we're talking about letting your AI tool like chat, GBT, and other assistants that you trust access information from platforms that you already use. So the platforms that you use are your sources. So all you are actually doing is giving permission for open ai. To search through your sources. So one source might be Gmail and it can find and summarize emails, automate replies, flag client leads, you know, really start to, to help and support you. In your Gmail, it might be your Google Drive. So you connect the source of the Google Drive and then it can pull up files, presentations, images, floor plans, whatever you've got saved in the Google Drive, you might have your um, 3D renders, all that sort of stuff. So it can start to talk to those things because you've saved them in the Google Drive. Your calendar so it can track consults, project stages, site visits, everything that you've got mapped out in your calendar. So if you get really good at project management in connection with a calendar, you can also ask your open ai. You can ask Chat GPT once the sources are connected to help you track those to help you manage that workflow. Connecting sources is just you giving permission and saying, Hey, chat, here's what I'm working with. Help me manage it. Amazing. You'll still stay in control. You set the rules. You can disconnect any time. There are certain things that you can allow it to have and not have. If you are, if you wanna take baby steps, you don't just sort of like open access and that's it. You can't go back. Let's, what does it actually look like inside of your business? What's this gonna do for you? So I'm gonna paint a picture. We're all busy interior designers running. Solo or you know, maybe you've got a really lean team, maybe one other person. This is what it actually looks like. If we're talking about triaging your email, for example, you've connected it to your Gmail, your AI assistant reads your inbox each morning and tells you there's three new client needs, one supplier delay, home rows are moved to a folder. So all those like Maya Stocktake sales and this, that, and the other have been moved. Then we're really heavily reducing inbox overwhelm. We're not missing anything. We've sort of got someone, a second pair of eyes, if you will, that's just going, Hey, this is what, in what order things need to be done, or you need to actively reply to these three new client leads before 10:00 AM so that we are being prompt with our turnaround. We'll be able to automate stuff like that. Super easy file hunting. You can type in. Find the ff and e spec sheet for the Wattle Street project and it will pull it from the drive instantly. So you can still be in chat d pt, you don't have to go anywhere. You just like, grab me the Wattle Street project. What was this or what, you know, what um, what appliances did we put into the Wattle Street project or whatnot? And it can find the. File and pull that information, which is so quick and easy. I love that.'cause sometimes I just do have, in my mind I, I know that I need a particular piece of information. That's why I am looking for the file. But yeah, it's just gonna save me hunting it out. We definitely all want assistance in our business. You know, we want someone who's a second pair of eyes. I love the idea that AI can keep an eye on activities that we've done. So you can say. If a client doesn't respond to your quote in four days, then chat. Your T can remind you or draft a gentle reminder reply and sort of say, Hey, are you ready to send this? Yet, it can kind of be your hype girl when it comes to follow ups and, and understanding when it was received, when it should be replied to, and all those things that sometimes with. It's been a week, and I only just remembered I haven't heard back from them. Green Streete project or whatnot. So it's gonna keep you on top of those. There are a lot of admin automation possibilities here, so we can have, we can set up a task where a new lead comes in. It can log into your CRM, send your service guide to that lead. Book a call in your calendar and do some really easy rinse and repeat automated things that we, that, that clock up your time. You're constantly like, oh, done this and that. You haven't even gotten on a discovery call with this person. So this would not look any different to the way that you do it. It would just be very hands off, which is amazing. I'm sure you can all think of heaps of ways that you could use this. I'm already 17,000 steps ahead of thinking about all the future possibilities. I know what's happening in the next round of release. I will share some of that information with you at the end of this podcast. But you know, as it is, this is already a real game changer. It's gonna take you a little while to get used to it too. Like, be kind to yourself. When you connect your sources, you're like, uh, what do I do though? Like, what? What's happening? So it's gonna take a little while. It's going to improve. I think that open AI is, is going to start getting a little bit more capable when it comes to, I know right now it'll be like, would you like me to go off and make a Canva document? Would you like me to turn it into a PDF? And it just can't do what it says it can do with files and whatnot. But I don't think it's far away. I think very soon we're going to see a world where it's like, do you wanna set up a repeatable automation for that? You know, we've done this three times now it's starting to be more proactive. In terms of what it is that you need and how it can support you. I very much think that we are just around the corner from having that type of model in situ. Alright, but is it safe to connect my emails? This is definitely the pink elephant in the room. I feel like I'm just gonna get right into it. I don't believe that there's any point in pretending that the ethics of AI aren't a discussion that need to be had that. We shouldn't be concerned about ai. I don't think we should. I, I, I think if you're learning from someone who's like, it's great, the water's fine, come on in. That's probably not the right person to be in. I think it's really important that we have our eyes open and that we do think about those considerations. You know, how do I feel about security? I. How do I fill out connecting my email? What's in my emails that I might not want open AI to have access to? So you do need to really have a particular degree of comfort level in your own business before you say yes to connecting sources. Just because it's capability doesn't mean it's a necessity or that you need to do it. So this is something every person must decide for themselves. So I know the idea of AI reading your inbox sounds like a privacy nightmare. But it really shouldn't be if you are using legitimate platforms. So if you're using something like Touch PT, it's gonna have OAuth access. So you won't be giving away your passwords so much as the ability for it to just access what's in the inbox already, but not. Log for you. It has read only permission, so you can control what AI sees inside of your inbox and, and, and inside of your applications. And it has revocable access. So anytime you can pull the plug, if you wanna disconnect those sources, if you're like, look, this does, I'm not using it, or I'm not sleeping at night, I'm so nervous about the security, you could have a little goat and then revoke access if you don't like it. Some things that you can do to protect yourself though is make sure that you're only connected to trusted tools like Open AI notions, zaia Airtable, like these applications that you've been using and that you trust. None of these like weird shonky plugin chrome extensions or like. Applications that have two star reviews and are made from someone offshore and you can't contact them, like, you just need to be very careful. I think it's probably advisable that we use a separate business email account, and therefore some of the things that we have are maybe not all of our personal passwords and whatnot. It's more of a. Sally has inquired about having an in-home consultation and then this person has reached out for a collaboration and this person, um, wants to join the framework, that sort of thing. So you are sort of having those top level conversations and maybe not your personal email might have some level of security. For things that you really don't wanna be plugging AI into. You also wanna be aware of the privacy policies and limiting unnecessary access. I don't think there's any point for you to just be like, yes, yes, yes. Take it all and then maybe you've got nothing to hide. I feel a little bit like that. I would rather have an assistant who can think like me and have my full brain then. But you know, even if I did have that assistant working here in the studio, I'm not gonna give them my. Private diary or my bank logins or anything like that. So the same sort of principle applies to a imaginary assistant. Boundaries are really important and there are lots of things to consider when you're setting up and lots of little toggle on, toggle off selections in the setting. So take the time to set it up right. Be really comfortable. If you're listening to this episode right now and you're thinking, oh my God, I did not even know it can do this, you are not behind. It's literally been in the market in Australia and New Zealand. I don't even know if. You are not behind. It's literally been in the Australian market for about 48 hours. So you're actually ahead because I bought you a bonus episode to make sure that you guys are across it. Most of the industry hasn't even looked at this yet, so they're still finding things in the naming configurations in their Dropbox. You can connect Dropbox, you can connect all those things. So I just think this is fantastic. If we. You know, I can think of all the different ways that it helps the designer being on site and just saying, you know, go to Dropbox, go to Google, whatever, and saying, bring up the, the most recent floor plan for the K Street project. Or, I made two changes to the K Street project on the weekend. They're in the Google Drive. Can you send a copy to Laura and can you send a copy to Jim, the builder? That sort of thing. I just think it's gonna be so good. I'll just be doing all these like little voice activated things all the time and just asking. To do things for me and find things for me, which I love. So this is where it gets really exciting. I think just the things, the way that it's going to evolve and the things that it's gonna mean. I don't see notion in there just yet, but I know that it's possible. So the second that Open AI can search notion for me, for me personally, my life will completely change because the operations, the sta, the standard operating procedures, the files upon files upon pages upon databases. Entire, like my entire IP and brain lives on Notion across three different framework courses. There's just so much when I can connect Notion at Trello and just any day of the week be walking to school and saying, can you review the scope pricing calculator that I created in Notion and connect it to. Such and such as Trello board that I'm coaching this week without me doing anything except staying in the one app like ai. I'm not jumping around. I didn't have to copy the link, go over to Trello, open the board, drop in the link, go back to here, like, I'm not doing that anymore. I'm. Living for that. I, I think once again, we're just so close because Notion is definitely one of the apps that has been scoped to be connected to chat GPT. So this is where I'm trying not to nerd out and get to forward thinking.'cause I wanna make sure that we stay in this lane and we get like a really strong sense of how to use it. As it is right now, so don't be afraid. Go in today. Connect a single source. Like just connect your Google calendar and say, just connect your Google calendar and play around with it. Ask it some questions. Ask it to make an appointment for you. See what you can do. I think that's the best step is always like the best step towards mastering something is to know that you didn't create it and you can't break it. You really have to go in and play and ask tat what are the implications of this ways of which? I could use it as a busy interior designer. Show me 10 real world examples. Give me the prompt I need to set up automations or to set up a task that will do this outcome for me. So think creatively. We are creative people sit down and go, okay, overnight while I'm asleep, I want all of my spam moved to a folder, and I want replies drafted to whatever's left in my inbox. How do I go about setting that up? And yeah, you might need to use a. A third party app, like Zapier or something initially until chat. GPT gets to a point where you can do things in the other application, not just source from it or pull it down and read the files, et cetera, in chat, GPT. But we're, so, we're weeks away from that. It's not, it's simply not gonna be a problem for very long at all. So ask questions, get into T Why is this cool? What can it do for me? Show off. Hit me with your best shot. What have you got? What can you do? This is how we learn. It's micro learning. Talk to your app. So this is what's coming next. The future of source connection. It's where, again, it's getting really exciting right now. We're connecting your inbox means that your AI assistant can reply to emails, draft quotes, and pull files. But probably in the next six to 12 months, it will be able to anticipate your workflow. So, you know, Monday morning is. Virtual boardroom briefing. It's also Marketing Mondays, so it knows that we're gonna do all of that. So it would start with a content strategy or it would start with the focus of the week and what are we trying to achieve and what kind of conversions are we looking, you know, what kind of conversion content do we need this week in order to make sure we achieve those goals. It might be like Thursday morning, we know it knows. We send a project update so it prew writes the update based on the latest slide notes, the budget sheet. In the drive, in Google Drive, in your CRM, whatever is connected, and that project status report is written on a Thursday morning. When you get into work, when you open chat GPT, which is just like the best, it's gonna understand your visual changes. So maybe you uploaded two versions of a lighting plan and it's gonna tell you what's changed, and draft a message for the builder explaining why you made the changes before, like. I'm saying draft, just let's be clear about that. Draft the message. You still have total control. Nothing gets sent out before. It has my eyes on it and my approval. This is the way to use ai. I will never change doing this. I will never stop editing. I will never stop approving, and I will never stop being the CEO of my business. It's also going to advance heavily in the way that it uses your voice. So. I'll be like using my voice all the time with using the microphone, obviously, like literally using my voice, but being like, Hey, email the Murray project. Update with the photos from yesterday, and remind the builder about the syn delay. And then it's just done. Images attached, tone matched, everything written, and it's been emailed. Love that for us. Like some things don't need extra attention, like sending an email to request something from my kids' teacher. If as long as I'm sort of saying, Hey, email this from me, like email Sarah from me. It's about Atticus, it's this, this, and this. It's all the same. It's. And I say, just make it friendly. It's gonna be fine. Who cares if there's an M dash in there? Let's just get it done. It's not, it's not even public facing content. It's just an email one person to another, and it gets the job done. These automations, mark my words, absolutely will run your operations. They will send quotes, they will track emails, they will track timeframes, they will remind clients they will follow up proposals for you. The welcome kit will be sent all while you are deep in your actual design work. Like you won't need to be a part of this at all. This is your. Future. This is absolutely your ea, your executive assistant, and you're getting to meet them really early and train them from the get go. So please don't be afraid of this technology. Jump in as I say, and see what you can do and really explore it because being an early adopter of these things actually does matter. It means when the next improvement comes, you've mastered the last one in a way where you're at least at the basics and you are. 80% more advanced in the way that you use AI than most people in your industry. Like imagine you are out on a morning. Doing some local networking and local area marketing because your EA has taken care of these emails and proposals and schedules and follow ups, and you are chatting to someone you know at the design show next year and they're like still manually sending this stuff off'cause they're a bit worried about connecting the sources or you know, learning more ai. I just think that's wild. Absolute madness. I know which one of those designers I wanna be. I said it before, and I'll say it again. Most of the industry hasn't even looked at this yet. It's 48 hours old here in Australia, and I know that it's been in the US and Canada for a couple of weeks now, but even a couple of weeks, you're still learning things. If you are in the us, you are in Canada, you have. Played with these connections. Come and tell me the coolest thing that you've learned or applied, and I can share it with everyone. I think that's so important. I think if you do find something that blows your mind, share it publicly. Let everybody know so that they can also apply it to their businesses, and we can all get on with being more creative and more relaxed. We live in a very, very hectic world. You know, I obviously speak to the fact that I have children, but even without children, there is a lot expected of us in a 24 hour period. And anything that we can do to make that life easier is a win for me. Okay, here's what we wanna do next. Next steps for you, if you're listening to this today, is check the show notes. I've included a link to my design show debrief. You can go have a read, a quick start guide to connecting your sources safely on what you need to do. And don't forget those DPTs are available if you do want. Customer assistance. If you want people that have a different kind of thought process built in, they're basically mini to mes. There's little business coach me, little productivity assistant me. There's little marketing me, there's little Instagram caption me, like, whatever you need. I have built them and I just think you. I'm mad if you don't have at least one taking, you know, for 99 US dollars plus GST one time payment, you can have that entire task taken care of in a really highly professional way.'cause we don't have to do everything manually allowed to. This is your permission to work smarter. It's okay to do less. So that's your homework. I never give homework on the podcast, but I really want you to go and connect. The sources that you feel comfortable with, ask the right questions of chat, GBT, learn how to use it, share with others. Share this episode with a business bestie or someone that you think like they don't need to be interior designers to use this technology. Like I've already helped web developers, photographers, and other creatives to put this plug and play and what. Already this morning and it is am on Monday morning and this dropped yesterday. So there are so many possibilities. Although we call AI obviously very robotic. It is a robot and a language model and not so much, it doesn't really lead with emotional intelligence. I think that. Connecting our sources like this helps them to get a much stronger sense of what's happening on the projects and what's happening from an emotional perspective. Like for example, if you connect your Gmail and your Google Drive, the chat GT would be able to analyze the full thread of your client communication and documents. And just give you daily, not daily, like a weekly briefing or a weekly snapshot. Things like you haven't replied to Lauren in nine days. She's asked three questions and sounds a bit uncertain about the tile choice. You should give her a call for every project with Claire Smith Runs over deadline. Consider revising your project timeline expectations for similar clients, so picking out red flags, boundaries, issues that you have that you might be buying, you know, a blind spot in your business or operations. Or the client has used the world overwhelmed five times in the last week might be time for a reassuring check-in. Maybe give them a call. It sounds like they are not coping with the decisions that are happening in the project or not quite aware of what's going on so they can just pick out those nuances if they're trained with the emotional, you know, it's like emotional intelligence meets automation. It means, yeah, your catch your red flags before they become issues. You nurture relationships more intentionally and you look like. A pro who just gets it, like you look really on top of your A game, but imagining that you are coming twice a week, you've organized AI to give you this kind of roundup across all of your projects. What status are they at? Where are they at? How are the people feeling on site? What do you know? What's changed? What's shifted? What have you noticed? It's like having someone who's been at every interaction with you give you a roundup of what's going on, and I love that. It's just gonna mean that we're responding faster, we're responding better, we're showing up as better designers and better creatives. And I think there's other really quick wins that we can be making with these automations too, like invoice nudges that are not awkward. Like if your email calendar and invoice tool are all connected and the AI assistant sees an unpaid invoice without you even lifting a finger, they could just draft up like, Hey Janine, just to reminder your invoice for the concept phase is due next Friday. Let me know if you need the link. Again, I've reattached it here for ease. Super easy, handled with grace. Don't need someone chasing up your invoices anymore. It's just gonna go out. For backwards scheduling from deadlines. So if you've got a handover date locked in your calendar, the AI assistant can auto generate backwards project schedule, which I know a lot of designers really struggle with. Like a lot of feedback I get is like, I dunno how to manage multiple projects. You know, I'm, I'm not really sure about the phasing. So you can say week five is styling. Week four is install and trades. Week three is deliveries confirmed week. Two is final site review. Week one is order flows and final clean. No more missed milestones because someone forgot to reverse engineer the timeline. Like you can just do that simply and really easily with those connections. I also love that AI will be able to look like almost time track for you and look across your emails, your documents, your calendar entries and say, Hey, do you know you spend six plus hours a week answering the same types of sourcing questions across three clients? Could we consider turning this into a paid add-on resource? Could we be better at anticipating what they need? This is the kind of insight that we don't always notice ourselves, but AI is a pattern recognition program, so it is immediately gonna be like, I can see you six hours from space. Like I can see what you're doing and I'm here to help you change that pattern of behavior, which I love. I also like the idea of instant recall or like remembering those. Past decisions because if we are recording our meetings and saving them in the Google Drive and those sorts of things, it's able to recall decisions made. So you know when you get that feeling like, I'm sure we approve that in a meeting, or I am 100% certain that the electrician said yes to that or whatnot, AI can pull the proof because we save those transcripts in a Google drive and then ask. AI and just be like, didn't the electrician say that that was definitely okay? And then it can come back and say, yep, on May the third, the client approved the pendant. The electrician said it was no problem. There's provisions already above the dining table. It could be easily installed, la la, la. And it's pulled it all from transcripts in the Google Drive. No gaslighting, no miscommunication. Nobody saying, ah, don't think it's like, it's right there. It's there. I love that for us. Alright. And then the data nerd in me and the business consultant in me loves the idea of being able to forecast from information that we have in these connected sources. So over time, AI connected to your sources will be able to say, you've taken on eight design consults in the past 30 days. That's a 33% increase on the previous 30 days. Your pace to be booked out. For Q3 by mid-July, or it might suggest a price rise or blocking out calendar space or pushing people to your wait list or changing your services. So it might again, recognize patterns and be able to give you business advice based on actuals and data. Alright, I hope you're as excited as me. I know you can hear it in my voice. I did my AI workshop at the design show, and I was trying so hard not to nerd out on these poor, unsu unsuspecting victims who came to see my presentation on how AI supports productivity and creativity. It was a really successful workshop. I saw so many mic drop moments behind people's eyes. I even had someone there who I caught up with afterwards, and she said I was just scanning around the crowd and I could just see. Light bulbs going on and pennies dropping and mic dropping and all the dropping all around the room. She was like, I could see like literal jaw dropping even of people being like, shut the front door. It can do that. You know, showing off how it can create certain imagery and things now is just intense. But for today, we are just talking about connecting the sources. I really want you to have a go. Come back and tell me how you went. Better yet, tell your friends. Tell everybody specifically tell Apple and Spotify please. I can talk to more people about how they can use AI to support their businesses as well. Alright, that's it from now. I hope you enjoyed this bonus episode replacing Thursday's episode because something cool has come out and I wanted you to be the first to know. Alright, chat to you next week. Bye for now. That wraps up another episode of Designing Success from Study to Studio. Thanks for lending me your ears. Remember, progress over perfection is the key. If you've found value in today's episode, go ahead and hit subscribe or share it with a friend. Your feedback means so much to me and it helps me improve, but it also helps this podcast reach more emerging and evolving designers. Just like you for your daily dose of design business tips, and to get a closer look at what goes on behind the scenes, follow at Oleander and Finch on Instagram. You'll find tons of resources available at www.oleanderandfinch.com to support you on your journey. 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