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Welcome to Designing Success from Study to Studio. I'm your host Rhiannon Lee, founder of the Oleander and Finch Design Studio. I've lived the transformation from study to studio and then stripped it bare and wrote down the framework so you don't have to overthink it. In this podcast, you could expect real talk with industry friends, community connection, and actionable tips to help you conquer whatever's holding you back. Now, let's get designing your own success. Recently I've been sharing testimonials from private coaching clients or group coaching clients. Just lovely things that fall into my voice notes or whatnot. Today's a little bit different. I just wanna celebrate because I am a huge believer in taking the time to notice the good shit in your business because it feels kind of rare sometimes. I would just like to. Recognize and notice that this is the hundred and 50th episode of Designing Success and that it is officially two years old. I'm recording this on Wednesday, the 9th of July, and the very first episode went live on the 8th of July, 2023. That to me is massive. Just even the consistency is for a year and a half of that. I showed up, uh, twice a week, so we were doing two episodes, one solo and one interview, which was a lot. It was very ambitious start, and I did have to really look into that and pull it back to once a week. And now you may have noticed there's been quite a few solo episodes. That's just because at the moment I have. Quite a few big things that I'm doing with the design show and day decor and design and with some big, um, group programs. So I just haven't really had the capacity to organize and interview a lot of other people'cause it's actually a lot to do the interviews and they are a lot bigger episodes. So I pulled back. Really just like a bit of a winter break, which is fine. I feel like when you create something, you can also, you know, you can be the creator and you can make the rules. We do design our own success. I'm very big in my world when you work with me on just sort of saying, Hey, you don't owe anyone anything specifically when you give it out for free. And that's not me trying to be cranky. It's, it's more a case of I think I'm forgiven for, you know. A of episodes over the winter and just showing up with whatever capacity I have in a way where I feel like I can bring the best of me. And so sometimes that has to pivot a little bit. Sometimes there's stuff going on in my family life where I'm like, we're gonna have to have a quick 10 minute tip episode because. Things that are a little bit hectic or somebody's unwell. You never know what people are going through. I say it all the time, but you know, I'm a people. I'm a people too. I'm not just the face of Allandra Finch. I'm a mother of three and a wife and a friend, and a sister to six. So I am the eldest, and then I have. Five sisters and one brother. So there's a lot. You know, I have a lot going on in my own life and shout out to those guys. I love you, but I wanted to, yeah, just at the start, recognize that 150 episodes and a two year anniversary is wild to me. I have just shared on Instagram a little story that I shared two years ago on the eve of launching the podcast. And I was petrified. I was so worried. I don't know what, like I. Put off doing this for a good 18 months because I was afraid of the technology and that I don't know anything about recording and I've made mistakes. I've had episodes that sounds like I'm in a tin can, and I'm so sorry, but I hope that the content and the like intent and the place that it comes from in my heart. Overrides that and it's like, yep. Sometimes we get the recording right and it sounds great. And look, I struggle to even listen back. It's mortifying to hear your own voice, but that's sort of enough about the background of the podcast. Maybe I will do an episode sometime just about the workings of the podcast and how that is in case anyone's interested in doing one. But I wanted to see. Stop and celebrate that milestone because it could have very easily passed. Me and you listening by and nobody may have known if you'd like to send the podcast to present, we are accepting all reviews on Apple, Spotify, just absolutely anywhere. If you can go and say two sentences about how you enjoy the podcast, it would make my life, because I worked so hard on the podcast that it doesn't, you know, it's, the reviews are few and far between because. Just like me, I listen to podcasts all day long. I rarely remember to throw someone a five star review or a comment here or there, so I am going to make this promise to you for every one review that comes in for designing success. This week I'm gonna stop and write a really long, articulate, informed, and emotional podcast review for one of the beautiful podcasts that I listen to as well, so we can share the love. Anyway. If you ever have any questions about podcasting, um, I've actually helped a lot of people who have wanted, I've been the first to show up in their inbox, wish them luck, tell them all the AI things that I use to edit, tell them all the things that saved me, all the mistakes they've made at the start. I mean, that's really my mo, isn't it? That's what the framework is. It's like, oh my gosh. This was really hard for three years. Let me wrap it up and document it and give it to you so that you don't have to do things the hard way. And that's exactly the same. If there's ever anything that I do in my business, don't feel afraid to drop into my dms. I do get such beautiful dms all the time and people asking questions, and I am here to help. I absolutely will answer them. If I have an answer for you today, I wanna unpack some mindset shifts or some. Perspectives that when I changed them, they changed the trajectory of my business, or when I actually understood how to manage these perspectives and which way I should think about things, it was really, really beneficial to me. So I thought that might be something fun to share for the hundred and 50th episode. Let's get into it. Okay. The first one, shifting my mindset, and this is very relative to the podcast as well, but from, I'm not ready yet to, I'm ready enough to begin. The start line is always uncertain if you're not crap at something to begin with. I, I, I don't know, I just dunno. Anyone, like, you have to be bad at things in order. To improve at them and then be able to look back retrospectively and say, oh my gosh, I was so bad at that. Look how good I am now. You know, to have any sort of growth, you have to start from zero. You have to start somewhere and understanding that you'll never be ready. I've heard analogies comparing it to you. You're never ready for children. You're never ready for this. You know, it's knowing that there is a point of which you can say, I am ready enough to begin. I'm ready to commit. To whatever growth is ahead. And I don't have to be perfect. I just have to say yes. And I just have to show up in a way that's like, I'm not good at this yet, but I can't get good at it if I don't start. And this obviously refers to things like starting a business or doing big, brave, scary things, starting a podcast. Um, just there's so many things in business even, and I know some of you will. I have announced it on the podcast and some of you will have seen some other places where I've been talking about it, but closing the framework for original designers, like saying, Hey, you need to enter my world this month, July by the end of the month, and I will take you on for the next 12 months, and we're gonna have so much fun and it's gonna be great, but it is going to be the last hurrah that was. Brave and I wasn't ready to close it. I love that cause, and I love, oh my gosh, I love seeing people start up their businesses and gain clients and confidence. It's my most favorite thing, but I am ready to start closing it. I may not be ready yet, but I was ready enough to say, Hey, I'm gonna. Call last drinks by the 30th of July. If you're in, you get lifetime access, you know will be BFFs, all the things. You'll have this big group around you and we'll go together for the next 12 months because I'm ready enough to begin that process. And I tell you, it's so obvious that the beginning of this podcast was like, I'm not ready yet, but I'm ready enough to begin. I was self editing. There was no AI technology. I was learning. The editing tools like GarageBand and Audacity and like manually looking at the audio waves and pulling out words that I didn't want and making such, it's such a choppy mess. The first few episodes, they were certainly not perfect, but they are necessary for me to be able to go on to bring, I mean, these aren't perfect either, but you know what I mean? To go on, to evolve, to feel like, okay, if I'm gonna ask someone onto my podcast, I feel like I know how to ask them questions that my audience might wanna hear, or I hope that I have a better handle 150 episodes in that I did in those first two. So I'm not ready yet. Turns into, I'm ready enough to begin. The second perspective shift in business that was helpful for me was when I shifted my mind from, I'm a designer to, I'm a business owner who designs. So this turning point is about owning your responsibility to the business side of being an interior designer. That comes with leadership decision making risk, whether you're risk averse or not, you do have to have some risk, uncomfortable growth. Social media, like, I hate to say it, I was terrified to show up on camera, but I was very aware that I could not grow my design business unless I treated it like a business and that I understood that marketing. We would have a whole department for that. Somebody would be getting on camera. There's gotta be a face to the brand. If someone's gonna get to know my brand and to trust it enough to spend money there, it has to happen. And there's no one else. There was literally no one else understanding that designing. Is sort of like, not necessarily your only job, it's more like your craft or it's the thing that you love, but the job is running a business that's profitable and sustainable and that you wanna show up for and that you love and, and everything else you wanna say about it. Knowing that you're not a designer, you're a business owner, who designs changed so much for me. And you know, I don't think that that was a hard stretch for me in the beginning because I did have so much business and marketing. Background and product development, and that was kind of where I was. So I felt like business was the easy stuff like that was the stuff that I could go, oh no, no, that's fine. I can pull together this spreadsheet, or I can look at a pivot table or a p and l. I can do this stuff, but I find it harder to show up and tell you which white paint I think is my favorite white paint. Because I would get such imposter syndrome about like, well, who am I to say which white paint? You just paint it, whatever you like. That's obviously not gonna help anyone. You've gotta have a point of view. You've gotta make a decision, you've gotta lock it in. There's, you know, you, you're gonna come across a little bit beige, bland and vague if you show up and you, you refuse to talk about anything to do with the design industry. But that was a, you know, an uncomfortable growth for me. That was something I had to go through in the early days to feel like, now you better believe I have opinions about my favorite white. It's not a common white. I just specified it in my project in Ttab recently. It's called Charmed White by Dulux. I've painted my studio that color. I'm obsessed with it. I often don't hear people using it, so if you are a designer and you're not aware of it, go check it out. I really like it. Okay. The third perspective shift that, the third perspective shift that I think really benefited my business is when I started to understand. That I could go from, I have to do it all myself to my time is my most expensive asset. So when I went from I have to do it all myself to my time is my most expensive asset. And really understanding that I was spending a lot of my time doing things that is like. Below entry level admin, or could be automated, but I just hadn't taken the time to sit down, document it and look at ways that already exist, where the automations are on the internet. And obviously I've come a long way and so I'm sharing this because it might be just the perspective shift that you need, but I was clinging to control like it was, you know. Responsibility. I don't know, maybe it's an, I'm the eldest daughter. As I mentioned at the top of the episode, I have lots of siblings, like I'm very Type A. I am a Virgo, I'm a designer. I've never spoken to a designer who doesn't wanna keep control of absolutely every little part of it. But when I sort of understood that there was systems, processes, support, even just. Standardizing and documenting what I was doing. AI of course, has freed up minimum 15 hours a week for me. Like I'm not lying when I say the laptop can close at three o'clock and it doesn't have to open again after school pickup. I keep saying that, but it's because I am so genuinely and wildly shook us because I spent so many years in my baby's little years where. There was no way, like I could pause and make dinner and give cuddles and do bath, but then I was back on that damn iPad until easily between 11 and 1:00 AM I'm just gonna call it most nights of the week, including the weekends. Like things were hectic for a few years there. And so this is why I'm so passionate about systemizing people's businesses and giving them these solutions and showing them how to apply AI and apply processes and change their software to something that is streamlined and easy. This is why the private, private coaching stuff is. A hundred percent my jam. I get so overwhelmed and not overwhelmed, that's not the right word. I get so energized and excited by spending a couple of weeks with someone and sending them back off into the world in a much better place than when they arrived. And just knowing that like they're not gonna feel like crying anymore and they're not gonna feel like there's all of this hot mess express and shambles happening behind the scenes. And I just love, love, love, love this whole change. And I also love celebrating the. Rise up against hustle culture and not wearing busy as a badge of honor and actually saying, I'm gonna put my hand up. And it's not to be inspirational, aspirational. It's not to say I have a multi seven figure business and I work two hours a week and I'm always in business class. Like it's none of that. We know that that's not me. I work hard. I just work hard relative to how hard work should look like, not I work hard like 16 hours a day to keep. Running, and I've been meeting with a lot of designers lately, and honestly, when I get behind the scenes with them. I get really emotional about like how hard they're working and then I'm looking at the reality of their monthly, you know, they're not at 10 K months yet, they're may be doing a 4K month, and on the outside you're seeing awards and you're seeing showroom visits, and you're seeing print media or digital media seeing this picture, and it's all a facade. Not for everyone. I'm just speaking about some people I've worked with in the last 24 months specifically, and there's no shame in it, but gosh, it feels good to clean up everything and really understand the profitability and really understand what you need to do so that the rest of what you're running like gets to that five figure minimum months and you are doing maybe less than you were before and just everything. Looks better. So that's the perspective shift of you don't have to do it all yourself. Your time is your most expensive asset. Stay in your zone of genius. Do all the designing. Do all the selecting, do all the things that light you up like from the inside and outsource some of the other stuff. Let go of some of the control. Find a better way. Work with someone to declutter your like processes and systems and the way that you approach things. Okay. I'm not gonna get on my hot horse about this one. I'm gonna make it really snappy. But when I understood that, if, you know, I changed my mindset of if I niche down, I'll lose clients. Two specialists get paid more than generalists. It unlocked something. It was incredible. It was like I. I was really reluctant to niche because I loved variety. I love people coming to me and then being like, oh my God. This week I'm working on like a bold, bright pattern clashing room, and I have another client over here. I'm doing something that's really. Clean and contemporary and muted tones. And then I've got this client over here and I loved that. Just kept me on my toes. But at the same time, especially when I didn't have a business that was running nearly a quarter as well as it does now, I felt really torn because I'm an e designer, so I wasn't earning a huge amount of money on these like turnarounds of these designs, but I was. Researching and pulling together all this different stuff across all these different styles all at once. And no wonder I was up to one in the morning, like it was just way too much for me. And then when I finally went, okay, well let me decide on my style and publicly announce it, and if I lose clients, what does that look like? And I sort of thought, look, they'll either ask me and I can either do it or not do it. And that will bring me to a totally different separate podcast episode title, which is all around like the philosophy of clients by application and what. What the actual design discovery call is about, which is like, are you the right fit for me and do I want this job? But I really, really, truly believe that you won't lose clients if your marketing stays true to whatever that niche is or wherever you're trying to go. Your point of view will call in more of the same. So people wanna align with you and they wanna actually go, oh my God, yes, I'm exactly where I need to be. She's. Saying exactly what I love. When we're ready to do the kitchen, I'm gonna call this girl. So it, that's exactly what happened to me, and I feel like that is a truth. When you understand that you won't lose client, and that when you're a specialist at something and you repeatedly do something, you grow, you have extra ideas about that one kind of genre or that one style, you will get paid more than a generalist who's just like, I'm a designer. I do whatever the homeowner wants. I actually think if you have a particular aesthetic, you will attract a. Kind of higher quality or higher paying client because they appreciate your experience and they understand that you are the person in that particular niche. The last perspective shift was just around, I think in the early days I was very much like I want everyone to like me or I don't wanna step on anyone's toes. I would hate to say anything, you know, I would still hate to say anything to get myself canceled. It was another fear of of starting the podcast'cause I was like, I am wildly. Like unhinged and I don't censor myself what you get on this podcast. It's what you get when you're coaching. It's what you get when we go out for lunch. It's what you get when you're in my dms. And sometimes that's like definitely not for everyone. I know it's not for everyone because I know I can be very solution focused and I can be a little bit firm sometimes. And yes, I have made people in my courses cry. Don't, uh, ditch me there because not ever in. A horrible way, just because sometimes I will call out things that are emotional. You know, I will call out situations where I see people who may be offering something. An example, someone offering e-sign, and I remember calling her out and saying like, in the nicest possible way, you are made for way bigger things in this industry than that. And I think you're keeping yourself safe because you think like it's an easy yes from your potential client and you're afraid to go and do the jobs that you should be doing. I recently connected, like I obviously stay connected to my past students, but I recently was watching her design in the south of France and in other countries, and she is absolutely not offering these, these e-sign packages here in her location. She's. Traveling the world as a high-end designer, and I'm so super proud of her and I'm not sorry that I made her cry because if that gave her even a tiniest bit of inkling as to how much I believed in her and how much I believe she is made for huge things, the kinds of things that she's now exploring then great. I'll be the meanie. I don't care. You know, I often work with people in private coaching, and I will say, go out to your clients and tell them all that you're having a third party audit done, and the auditor has found that your price, you know, the auditor is forcing you to lift your prices, or the auditor has found. X, Y, and Z. Blame me. I'll be the third party auditor. I don't care if you need someone to give you the confidence to go and be the best you. That can be me. I can be the meaning to the clients or like if I make you cry. It is always just because it's emotional to hear those things, but I will always say them to you because I will always want you to look back and think I needed that. I needed someone else to say, I see you and your talent, and it is. Far beyond what you are putting forward as as your offer or your pricing. Anyway, I got off track, sorry. But I want everyone to like me turned into, I want the right people to trust me, so I don't want everyone to like me. I would be a terrible coach for everybody in this industry. I've met beautiful designers that I absolutely love, but I can't coach them because I'm not. The kind of coach that they need. You know, they might need someone who's more ethereal or woo woo, or they might need someone who is tougher than me. Like I just said, when I make people cry, it's like in a kind, soft way. And it's not usually like get off your ass and workout. So maybe someone needs a. A tougher coach or like I have beautiful colleagues in the interior design mentor in like in that particular part, which I mention all the time. You know, I've interviewed Kelly from 13 Interiors and she offers mentoring and Lauren Lee from Sila, she offers mentoring and I'm friends with all these people, but. They're right for some, and I'm right for some, and there's enough for everyone. It's the same principle with design, like interior design in general, and I don't want everyone to just like me and follow along. I want the right people to be deeply invested and obsessed with working together. To get them where they need to be. You know, I don't need a bold brand. I don't need loud, I guess if I wanna use analogy around design, then I'd be like, don't just get a new home and wood paneling or other things and think immediately the way to fix this or lift this is to paint it all white. Sometimes the way is to sit and let the house tell you what it needs, and you might need to lean into like a mid-century modern, or you might. Do like a mix of lime wash and mud brick and bring out all that texture. I don't need to design for designers. You guys have your own ideas, I'm sure, but I think you know what I mean. There are ways where you can build a brand that it has nuances and texture, for want of a better word, without just like flagging off people who are too beige or going at anyone else. I think it's always just about like, I don't mind that people don't like me. Or that I might like rub someone the wrong way or they might not like it. I hope that those people would just unsubscribe. I know that they're not hate listening to the podcast. They just find their way out of my world quickly so that I don't bother them and they don't bother me because anything that's meant for me will not pass me by. Any client that's supposed to be your client won't pass you by. They'll connect with your messaging, but the ones that do, we're never gonna pay you, and you don't need everybody to. They're validating you as a person. In fact, it's better if they're not watching because they can't bring you down. And while I'm talking about that, if you're not polarizing even just a little tiny bit, then you're probably not saying anything much at all or anything real. That doesn't mean you have to work with touch T or and say like, give us your top five most offensive things to say in the design industry. I just think when we have an opinion, it's a real opinion. Like I have an opinion. Probably too opinionated. I bring them every week on the podcast. I've even got like roast and toast podcasts where I go through and say stuff that I didn't like and things that I did. When I do my writeup after, um, big design events that I'm speaking at, like I spoke at the design show and next week I'm speaking at day decor and design. When I do those sorts of things, it's like I don't hold back. I will always give my honest opinion because I want people. To know what I think. They don't have to think it. They don't even have to like it. They do not have to agree with it, but it's nice to have a thought in your head and not just be like another regurgitated piece of content, which is the same as everyone else's. I'm not gonna lie though, it took me a really long time to be okay with not being the most agreeable person in the room. And I'm an eighties child. I'm. People pleasing what I want. Like I really, I struggled, but now I think it's probably also because I push so hard to teach boundaries that it's become like this little secret superpower is being just a little bit like I'm okay to say something that makes you slightly uncomfortable. As long as it's. Like kind and fair and, and you know, and, and it's something you could work on. Like I would never say something that you can't change. Like we don't do that in our house, but in order for the right people to trust me and the right people to get to know me, then I have to be okay with saying, look, maybe we're not right for each other. So let's round it up for today. If I'm being honest. I started this podcast because I was having some real challenges in the industry around, um, you know, a lot of my content maybe being repackaged and other people putting ad spend behind that, or like shouting out about it as though they come up with the idea. Um, and I am, I. I never think like people are naturally copying. I think if you've got the same ideal client, you're gonna have a crossover of topics all the time. But when things are like word for word or stuff, it's really frustrating. And I thought after years of watching other people throw marketing dollars at things that you are sort of doing and working really hard on behind the scenes, I just thought. I don't need to stay quiet. The best way for me to distance myself and to step out as the innovator and not the imitator, is to actually step up and say, hear my voice. Listen to the way that I do things, and you decide if you think that's the right fit for you. You decide if you think you wanna work with me in your first year of business and go through the framework, or you decide if you think one-on-one, we could totally change things. And I think. That has given me a lot more confidence in my coaching as well, because you can't hide from what you say on a PO podcast. You can't fake your business and marketing knowledge. You can't Google podcasting information. Oh, I suppose you can, but like you don't read out your podcast, right? You say your podcast, if it doesn't exist in your head, you can't just make it up. And I feel like it's so much less of a sort of polished sales page, or it's not intended to be selling. Like most of the time it isn't. It's like I will mention that I have things because I think those things are really great for you if you're in the industry. You know, I think I teach people to be like not afraid of selling. If you've got something good you're serving, you've got something to help someone tell them what that solution is and let them decide for themselves if they wanna have it, right. So I will always talk about my services. On the podcast. I'm not, I'm okay with that. Uh, but I think it was just a really great way for me to go. Ultimately, you will get all of me. You get the unfiltered, the unhinged, the absolute honest me, and you get to decide if you like it and you get to decide if you wanna. Take it further and take it. It felt like we're on a day. You get to decide if we go, if I get a rose on the Bachelor. But no, I felt like there was a really authentic marketing platform because you really, really get to hear multiple opinions on multiple topics over the 150 episodes. Like I've really bought everything to the table. Whatever I can share, there is no gatekeeping in my world if I can tell you and explain it verbally without making a fool of myself. I don't think anyone except possibly Sarah from Yuzu Interiors who does pull me up on this quite a bit, will remember, but in my very first episode, I mentioned the fact that I'm a Malaprop. So a malaprop is somebody who mistakes a lot of words, so replaces a word and just keeps going like. What's a good example, and I don't even know the real word, see, so I can't do it, but I'll often say things like, that's not intrusive to this instead of conducive or the other way around. I don't even know what the right word is. The problem is I was really nervous to launch a podcast because I have this malapropism, which is that I just replace whatever word I needed to say with something else. That might not even be a word. My husband is an English teacher. He's consistently pulling me up and saying, that's our word. An English teacher married to a Melo Propp. Can you imagine? It's chaos in our house, like it's cl clearly, like, I don't know what I'm saying. Anyway, I just thought I would tie back to that because I did talk about it in the first episode and I haven't spoken about it since. But whilst I'm in the mood to thank you all to thank the audience. First and foremost for listening, and I appreciate every single download. I appreciate every single one of you more than you can know, but I also appreciate your patience when you are probably walking the dog, cleaning the kitchen, doing something, and listening to a podcast and going, oh my God, what is she saying? That's not a word. So thank you for your patience. I mean, it's not a formal disability, but you can Google it. Malapropism is a thing, and I 100% have it. This was absolutely my way of showing up. I think it's a really great way. I feel like I've been on a rollercoaster. I've had, I've interviewed my husband a couple of times. Those have been really interesting episodes, very popular. I've just done whatever I wanted to do. I've had guests on that. I have actually felt sweaty to reach out to. I'm like, oh my God, who do I think I am? And they've said yes straight away. They've been so generous. I wanna really thank my guests. I wanna really thank anyone who listens. And you know, I invite you to go back and listen to some of those older episodes. They still slap. There are some that I'm like, I listened to my interview part one and part two with Ruby Shields recently, and obviously I haven't listened to it. That was one of the very early ones. So for nearly two years and we were driving and I thought, I just wanna have an like, I never go back and listen. So I was like, just listen to one. And I loved what Ruby brought to the podcast and I thought, oh, maybe I'll go back and occasionally listen to some of the guest conversations because obviously it's not. As much as my voice, so it's not as cringeworthy for me, but there are so many amazing, generous interviews. I have had just so many people join me and share things. So if you're ever looking for a particular topic, you know, you can go back, you can look for Pinterest, you can look for finances, you can look for different things, and go and listen to that. Episode and that expert again, because I guarantee you you'll pick up different things in the second listen than you did the first. So what's coming up in the Oleander Finch studio? Just a very quick one to see us out to the end of July. This is the absolute last time you can join the framework for emerging designers. After that, I'm retiring the entire course and it's not coming back. It is something I'm so proud of. It absolutely bloody works. And if you are someone in your first, I'd say year and a half to two years. Of business or you're wanting to launch a business or you're currently studying design, it's never too early. It helps you get through your coursework because it's, you just learn so much about what it's like to be an actual designer. You need to sign up before the end of the month. It's$199 a month plus GST for the 12 months or 2, 2, 9, 7 in full. It's completely up to you how you wanna pay. Get it on your tax return this year and get into this last cohort. There's already, I think there's about 16 girls or so right now in inside, so it's a nice group. They are lovely. It's a very safe place. So come on in. You've got about another three weeks and then that's it. It's never gonna. Happen again. You will get lifetime access, you will get all 15 of my AI assistants, the GPT. So you'll meet Percy and Clancy and Mary and all the gang. It's amazing. I'm very proud of it and I'm, you know, I'm bittersweet about closing it down, but there's just not gonna be another time. So if you keep saying, I'll do it when I graduate, I'll do it later. I intend to do it later. Is no later time is up 30th of July. So get in. And the other thing that I'm doing is speaking at day current and design. Next Friday at 1230, I have a seminar on AI, on both how it supports our productivity and creativity. I'm bringing the mic drop moments. I'm really, really excited about it and I hope that I'll see you there. As always, if you need anything from me. Come and see me over at Bitch. But that is it. Signing off and closing out two years of designing success. Don't forget to leave a review and I will do the same for another podcast in return. Okay, love you. Bye for now. That wraps up another episode of Designing Success from Study to Studio. Thanks for lending me your ears. Remember, progress over perfection is the key. 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