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Join Rick and Michelle as they interview Lua Siegel, a School Garden Coordinator with very unique challenges.
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Join Rick and Michelle as they interview Lua Siegel, a School Garden Coordinator with very unique challenges.
00:00:10 Michelle
Welcome to the farm to school podcast where you will hear stories about kids lives have been changed by growing, cooking and eating local foods in schools.
00:00:18 Rick
We're your host, Rick Sherman.
00:00:19 Michelle
And Michelle Marksteyn, we are farm to school coordinators for the state of Oregon.
00:00:24 Rick
In this episode, we're looking at a very small rural charter school in Oregon and how our guest transformed the grounds into an edible landscape. Everyone, please welcome to the program, Lua Siegel.
00:00:39 Lua
Hi, thanks for having me.
00:00:40 Michelle
Hi Lua. Edible landscape.
00:00:43 Lua
Yeah, that sounds pretty exciting.
00:00:44 Michelle
It sounds delicious. It is. Hey, could you paint a picture for us of your school? And what do you see every day?
00:00:52 Lua
OK, so we are a public charter school. That means it's a free school.
00:00:56 Rick
What? What is that like? Some people in America might not know what a charter school is.
00:01:01 Lua
I know that's why I have to say free because some people sometimes think it's a like a private school, but it's a charter. Well, so one of the things that happened around, let's say about 15 years ago, many rural schools were at risk of being shut down because the attendance was very small and the districts might have thought it wasn't financially sustainable to keep them open. So they threatened to close the schools. And there was a movement, that the you know, the grassroots of families that decided that they really valued a school and their rural community, so they banded together and they created what was called a charter proposal. So they would receive public funds, but they would manage them and keep the school to open some districts were open to that, some, you know, some might not have been. Dallas School District was open to a charter school within their area. You know, they went from dozens and 20s of children to now a full enrollment of about 240 with a wait list. So what we're seeing is that some charter schools, because they have certain flexibility while still receiving public funds are creating programs that are attractive to mainstream population outside slightly of the rural area.
00:02:10 Rick
And and so you said Dallas School District. I just wanted to do a little caveat that that's Dallas Oregon.
00:02:13 Lua
Oh yeah.
00:02:14 Michelle
I was. I was thinking, Dallas, TX.
00:02:19 Rick
Yes, and I used to be the food service director there and your building there was part of my school district back, you know, 15 years ago when I was there. But I would either get emails saying howdy, you know, hello. And from how is Texas? Or how's the windsurfing in the gorge? They would confuse us with The Dalles and it's like no, it's not The Dalles, it's Dallas. And so we would get confused a lot. So yeah.
00:02:39 Lua
Yeah. So it's the capital of Polk County, but it's a relatively small.
00:02:48 Rick
It's a bedroom community of Salem, our capital in in Oregon. And I loved that district. I coached cross country there for and track for the 10 years and I just love the community. It's really nice. And where you're at, it's called the Kings Valley Highway. It's in between Dallas and Corvallis, Philomath and it's just a beautiful, beautiful area it is. It's a farming community and I should probably correct. It was probably around 2001, 2002.
00:03:19 Lua
That those charters forms, that's more like 20 some years.
00:03:22 Michelle
So you said a couple hundred students, and rural. So I'm curious of two things is is do they have to travel far to get to your school?
00:03:35 Lua
Well, not that far, and we have but buses. So students come, you know, if you're familiar with Oregon. So we're out in the country about 5 minutes South of the town of Dallas. So they'll come from Dallas Monmouth independence. And also from just outside the towns in the world.
00:03:50 Michelle
OK. And then being rural, are they already growing food at home gardens and is it redundant in school gardens?
00:03:59 Lua
Not at all, actually, not not all of them are, and many of them might live in apartment complexes in these towns. So this is new to them, some might have a house with some property, but they might not have a garden and that's one of the things we started to experiment. Hmm. I don't. I don't know if you want me to go into that, but this last year, with the grant money we had this novel idea that we could have this sort of reward system that parents who volunteered would be entered into a drawing.
00:04:26 Lua
And they could win, or they could have a garden bed built in their backyard, a yard of soil brought in and some plants.
00:04:35 Lua
And so we tried that out and to start bridging that you know that gap between the school and the family home. And we had three garden boxes built. And this fall, one of the students that had some tomatoes grown, she came over with a little zip lock and said, Miss Siegel, I have a gift for you. And it was a tomato from her garden bed.
00:04:40 Rick
That's fabulous.
00:04:54 Lua
He was so excited, and that's so heartwarming.
00:04:57 Rick
Yeah. Mm-hmm. And and your actual building, like, do you know when it was built? It's an old it's an old school.
00:05:04 Lua
It is. It's so old. We have no plans or records of how it was built.
00:05:10 Lua
You know those schools and the Kings Valley Charter school? They're from the about the 1800s. I know Kings Valley Charter Schools, 1848, and we're just up the road from them.
00:05:15 Rick
Yeah, yeah. So and you don't have a kitchen. I remember when I brought food out there. We served from a hallway, you know, back in the day.
00:05:28 Lua
So we have two campuses. We have PeeDee, which is the middle school and the elementary. Our elementary, which has, you know the most amount of students K through five. It's a just a sliver of a walkway of a kitchen. It's just for warming up food. So we can't cook on site, no, when you when “UN” cook.
00:05:51 Rick
Just and and painting a picture of your grounds -I've seen the transformation there and it just when you come there, it seems like every square inch is taken up by food growing and there's, you know, just everywhere you look there, there is food and it's and it's quite an amazing story of, like, the grounds and your soil and water conservation district, can you can you tell us about your actual grounds and where your trials and tribulations of of planning that garden there.
00:06:22 Lua
The way you describe it, I feel like maybe I have an invasive species, no. So let's see, the school well, when I was, I was hired to begin a school garden with the vision of eventually growing food that would be integrated into what would become scratch meal preparation for the students. So the the board had a very lofty long term vision and so they walked me to the back of the property where there was this little zone, you know, like 25 by 30 feet long a seasonal Creek and they said this looks pretty good and I looked at the soil. Yeah, nice and. And so you know, I I started the traditional way of let's ask the community for a bunch of old hay or straw bales. And we got 40 dropped off we made 5 rows with eight balls each. Then it rained and it rained and it rained, and that seasonal Creek became full of water. It overflowed and it dragged those 40 bales far and crashed into the fences. And then I thought, huh, I think I need to learn a little bit more about the geography of where we are is this riparian is this wet wetland. And so I reached out to the community and I invited the lucky Mute Watershed Council. I invited Polk County soil and water conservation and you know, I mean, rely on your experts. Right? And and I'm not from Polk County. This was new to me. I live in Benton County. And so I invited them over and I asked them for some education and they instructed me that this was wet Prairie, that it seasonally floods that is not riparian, but Wet Prairie. And in the past, Native American population, which in that zone is the Lukiamute Kalapuya would have cleared the ash, would have opened it up for deer to come in for hunting and Camus, or abundant. We've seen them on our property. So it's OK to clear some of the zone for food preparation. And so that gave us some permission. I didn't want to be, you know, harmful to the environment.
00:08:19 Lua
But then I started looking. Well, maybe it's not the best idea to be right by the seasonal Creek. So started negotiating and say how about you give us 14 feet of this field, which is a play field. So we created a 14 by 100 foot garden and we did that in year one year one was the first year right after COVID.
00:08:39 Lua
Then that got you know that got built so fast, we started looking at the front of the property, and the school had wanted to do a rebuild. But, you know, in our relationship with the county and being in the floodplain, there was no way we'd ever put a building. So I said, well, you know, you do really want to grow food for your meals. How about we do another garden there. So now we have a 50 by 100 foot garden.
00:09:04 Lua
And then we still enjoyed this. You know, the whole vision that the Polk County soil, water and the Watershed Council gave us that it was really important to do some native restoration.
00:09:16 Rick
What do you mean by that native restoration?
00:09:17 Lua
So bringing in so we had some Scotch broom back there. Blackberries. You know, those are all invasive species.
00:09:22 Rick
Ohh, for those of you not in the northwest in Scotch broom, if you haven't had to experience that. It's pretty, but somebody, I assume from Scotland I guess about in the 1800s brought that stuff over and it it takes over our whole landscape. It's just it's everywhere and it drives me crazy with my hay fever when in comes in.
00:09:51 Lua
Well, so I just know that's an issue in our in that Valley. So you know we were considering you know when you open up then you expose more to sunlight. So what are you going to bring in you know and so we might as well bring in the native plants that inhabit this area.
00:10:06 Lua
And so in looking at how the front patch connected to the back, well, how about we do and the kids, they love cutting those trees. And we did. Sorry, we did cut some hawthorn, which is a native plant, but they're little bit too pokey and more than we needed. So the kids were just awesome about sawing down. We created a trail. Cardboard is my love language.
00:10:26 Lua
You know, don't give me flowers. Bring me stacks of cardboard. We covered all the ground with cardboard. Then bucket after bucket of wood chip. We made a whole trail and then we're like, well, what if we connect the black back trail to the front trail and have native plants along? So then the vision just kept growing and growing. And I think still continuing.
00:10:46 Lua
The the initial intention of, you know, millennial populations who have used this area to eat, you know, and to forage. And so we continue using this land for that purpose. We've we've introduced you know some edible plants that maybe are not native to the area. But I think we continue the the spirit.
00:11:06 Lua
Of the use of the land for being attractive to flora and then have to fauna and then to humans.
00:11:14 Rick
But it's just so inspiring to me that, I mean, there's nothing wrong with you have a just plant, a garden grow, grow carrots and do whatever. But the thought you put into that and thought and to honor, you know, like I've never heard of like a wet Prairie, you know, like that's a thing. And just to find that out and go. OK, so. So knowing that when now I'll plant my garden and then paying special attention to the native plants like you did and the community and stuff it just it just really cool.
00:11:49 Michelle
Well, and you were mentioning that the impetus for this was to grow food for the school meals. So what kind of crops and foods are you growing?
00:12:03 Lua
Let me add a little bit to, you know, being aware of your geography, this whole thing of the wet Prairie, you know, a lot of modifications have been made to the land in our valley. You know, we were just really fingerling like tributaries and that we channeled and made our rivers, you know, for logging and and for agriculture. But something that I'm also trying to be mindful is when the school board hired me, they wanted to use regenerative farming. So I love that they had a vision, that of sustainability and conscious interaction with our land and our soil. And so in the wet Prairie, one thing I'm trying to explore is, you know, how do we.
00:12:44 Lua
Is it of the tiling that was in in the past to channel water away? How do we use the water that sits for parts of a year to maybe advance some dry farming. So we've piloted with OSU and extension. We did some dry farming trials out there and and such anyway, so the food that we're growing, OK, so you know, in the beginning it's all about building and see what survives, right. You know, so trial by fire. And then when you actually.. production then you have new questions like Ohh, where do we store this? Or ohh the kitchen camp process. Ohh our kitchen staff isn't trained or you know have the ability and so now we're in those growing pains, right. And so we we found. I don't know how a little greenhouse. I mean. Sorry, a little refrigerator in the cafeteria. We we put produce in there and then it stopped working and it rots. So you know, so we're we're going through those things. My house smells like a market stand because all the tomatoes are in my living room right now.
00:13:43 Lua
But I think what what we're where we're at right now is using it in our gardening class. So we'll pick and we'll eat right there. We'll purchase from local farms. We have a little grill. So we cooked up some corn on the cob and ate it right there. And gardening. That's why I said quote.
00:13:58 Lua
Cooking. It's delicious. And the kids love it. We've been sending produce home with the middle school. We cook, so we in the elementary, we process the tomatoes and our garlic and made some salsa, which the kids loved. And you know, you hear funny things. Like, I don't like salsa. Well, you know, you don't have to like it, but if you could try it, that would be so awesome. You'd be so brave. And then they see their friends try it. So they try it.
00:14:26 Lua
So I usually don't like salsa that my mom gets, but I like this one. Can you give her the recipe? And I'm thinking, you know, I mean, a lot of store bought salsas canned. So it's the cooked tomatoes, kids aren't, you know, so so much a fan of cooked tomatoes. But that fresh salsa is a whole other thing. And so now they're going home with the recipe and going. I want this salsa.
00:14:45 Rick
So the term, we always hear in farm to school and school garden coordinators don't yuck my Yum. Ever heard that?
00:14:51 Lua
Ohh well we have a little pre lesson right before we eat about how we politely express our feedback and you know and it's OK not to like something, but we want to be careful for a few reasons. One, because the friends around us might like it, and so we want don't want to hurt their feelings. Somebody worked hard to make this. So we want to show gratitude for the person that worked. Somebody worked hard to grow this. So we want to be respectful of the farmer, the grower. And so those three things we take into consideration. And it's OK if you don't like it. There's a compost bucket right here. You can throw it away gracefully. But all we want is for you to try it. and it goes a long way.
00:15:27 Rick
So about that cooking, I know you have a partner in in crime in this. I've met a few times, Juliana. That comes in as a chef and she makes amazing, wonderful food, which I've had you tell me about your relationship with her and how that started.
00:15:39 Lua
So we were so fortunate last year we had this funding from the Department of Ed, so we were able to contract her. She's a nutrition specialist. She's also, you know, a trained social worker therapist. So she has lots of background experience and a passion for mental health. And using the small group food preparation setting is also, you know, for personal development and students.
00:15:59 Lua
And so she came in a few times last year and facilitated middle school cooking. So. And she's from Brazil, so she also integrated some panda queso, which is a cheesy bread made with tapioca flour. So we had a little mini lesson with, you know, where's Brazil in the world? What's the recipe then? The kids broke up and they and they made this and, you know, and so on and so forth. Different, activities, yeah.
00:16:25 Rick
And so and and the other part of that is and you've kind of glossed over it. But you said the board had a vision of scratch cooking, but you you haven't said, but you're a full-time school garden coordinator that you're hired by the board board, right?
00:16:41 Lua
Yes, and I am fully aware of my position of privilege that I am hired full time with a teacher salary to teach gardening for 240 students. So that's ten different classes that I teach every week.
00:16:51 Rick
That's so awesome.
00:16:57 Lua
That gives me time to teach and have a full day, which is program management. So Grant writing administration, I do the procurement grant the fresh fruits and vegetables grants. So all those nutrition grants I do as well I manage those. I do the reporting, I do the networking.
00:17:12 Rick
It it's such a good model. Michelle and I, we always talk about this too, but in the regular K12 world. It's it's in the nation. It's probably one of the biggest things is to get paid, but it's usually volunteer help. And when the volunteer leaves, so does the garden. And so I've seen private schools and this isn't a private school, but the model of this is like we have your own board. You can do that. I've seen that be more popular and we're getting better. We're right, Michelle. We're we're moving the needle all the time. We've talked about this before, but we're getting more part time and full time positions in this, but it's been a struggle. We always say whatever you're teaching, teach it outside, you know..
00:17:59 Lua
Absolutely. Well, the school wants to move towards project based learning, so they already have this in mind and you know, I have to say I this isn't the the way everywhere I've worked at other places. So this is novel. When I was brought into this school, you know, they they definitely wanted me to work there. But I asked on my own to interview the board because I wanted to be sure that they owned it. You know, because you know, when parents or PTO's I've seen so many school gardens start and stop because it was a grant through a college. It was a parent volunteer. It was a PTO. And all those are disintegrated with the school. The teachers don't know how to use it.
00:18:40 Lua
Or then they you know, the gardens go fallow and I think. I mean this is a soapbox for me. It's it's it doesn't do justice to the educational process to make these pet projects, you know, and I'm I'm a big proponent of social justice through education and also and and and think and being realistic about how I'm funded. I'm not funded through regular school Adm sorry school. I don't really know the logistics but they have this extra SIA funds: student investment account, where schools had to make proposals of where they wanted to grow some extra things they want to do, and so they got this extra grant, I guess to fund a school counselor.
00:19:19 Lua
Maybe their PE is partly funded and a school gardener that was their priority. So that's how they're using their FSA funds.
00:19:26 Rick
That's, but the bingo moment for me and listening to Lua say this is just like our previous guest we just uploaded. Kelly Douglas.
00:19:36 Rick
You both don't take no for an answer. You you've created essentially like you went and said. You should hire me to do this. And that's just such. It takes a special kind of person to do that, and I wish I could bottle that and sell it. You know?
00:19:54 Lua
I'm still working on that. I'm not a person that's really good at self advocacy, but I worked at another school where you know, I mean I had I I was in in the privileged position of a husband that made a lot of money that I could afford to sort of volunteer work. They paid me $500 a month to teach five classes a week with zero budget. And so that developed into a big program with loads, you know, 20 hours of volunteering a week.
00:20:21 Lua
But it taught me what it takes, and then once my once I had to earn an income, I could describe it, I could articulate it. So you know, my life trained me into being able to articulate what was really necessary.
00:20:35 Rick
But you and you're being too humble though, like, I know, like you're talking about self promotion or whatever you do, one of the best jobs, as I said yesterday, we were at a school garden meeting and and and you do one of the best jobs I've seen at like a daily Facebook post of your wonderful gardens and we'll we'll include a link in the show notes to your to your Facebook page and and if you don't mind your your contact information.
00:20:55 Lua
OK.
00:21:03 Rick
You can send them your newsletter, I have copies of them right here.
00:21:07 Michelle
Yeah, and volunteering 20 hours a week isn't something someone does casually. Some. I'm very curious. What is your why? Like, what motivates you to do that?
00:21:22 Rick
Piggybacking on that, how did you get your start doing that?
00:21:27 Lua
So my why it's a life story. One of my earliest memories. So I grew up in Chile. My parents went to Chile when I was one month old. That was in 1972, which, you know, was a bizarre thing for Californians to go to a communist or socialist country. You know, they thought my parents were crazy. They were brave and I think was the best decision they ever made for me to grow up In Chile, so one of the towns that we lived in is Puntarenas, which is down on the Straits of Magellan very far highways and get you have to go through Argentina to get there or fly, you know.
00:22:01 Lua
It was expensive to get produce, so my dad had a greenhouse and a garden, and I remember I was a kind of a naughty kid, and if I would have had a time out and my bedroom had to lean to greenhouse, I would jump out my window into the greenhouse and pick a tomato that was just turning red, slightly green. I'd get some salt and eat it and, you know, make faces at my parents out the window. So there I guess that was my introduction to the empowerment of growing your own food, you know, and I guess that's the that ties into justice, the empowerment and then, you know, Fast forward many years. I just always had an interest in environmental themes. You know, I'm I'm a child of the 80s, so issues Like drought either help you and hunger that just touched me. I just always had a sensitivity to human suffering. And so when I was in high school, I decided to study bioengineering, which was a new development at that time. It had all this promise to solve world hunger. Now you know we have all this fear of demo, blah blah blah. But in the in that time for me it was an issue of.
00:23:07 Lua
Justice and food and an innovation of science to reduce hunger.
00:23:13 Lua
But I took a gap year after high school, which back then maybe wasn't as cool as it is now. In the 80s and I went to a rural school in the South of Chile, which is the Mapuche zone. I guess. I mean, would be equivalent to reservations in the United States, where it's a part of the country, most of them up, which are population live.
00:23:33 Lua
And so I was there in a boarding school that had a boarding facility doing some volunteer work. I was only 17. Very naive.
00:23:39 Lua
I've learned a lot. You know about my position of privilege, and there was a woman there who had an organic garden that was part of the school right there on the school site. And that was one of my first more systematic mentors. And I also realized, you know, there was, there was some disheartened.
00:23:59 Lua
Teachers and hopeless teachers. And I realized what the world needed was educators that if I wanted to promote social justice, the cornerstone is education. So I decided to study education. So then Fast forward a bunch of years and very unexpected circumstances. I find myself in Oregon, United States, which I never intended to come to. I had a mission in Chile and rural education. That was my thing, funny that that's where I am now.
00:24:28 Lua
And and you know again my position of privilege and privilege as a parent and how to raise children was then tested by having a child with very high, very unique behavioral needs, very high needs and it changed everything for me. I mean, I couldn't leave the home. You know, transitions were hard. There were outbursts, there was violence.
00:24:56 Lua
And it threw me into probably one of my second postgraduate degrees in psychology with all the books I was reading and and techniques I was practicing. And I found that animal therapy worked very well. And so. So then I started to learn a lot more about the hands on effect on these dysregulated mostly boys. I started to see that this is a trend.
00:25:18 Lua
And so I learned a lot and I practiced and my child is a very well adjusted 1818 year old right now. Thankfully, and so then I started to, there was this position as a gardening teacher in the school, and that's then how I got in, you know, was five hours paid, but mostly volunteer. But that was the one thing I could do while still being present for my child. And and, you know, if I had to leave because there was an outburst, then that the flexibility.
00:25:45 Lua
But my why? Is my my why has deepened? You know, it's from love of food, the empowerment of growing your own food, promoting justice and accessibility to food. Distribution of resources is that's just a passion for me, you know, equalizing the distribution of resources that you know coming from Chile to the United States, seeing how.
00:26:08 Lua
Which I'm sorry to say, but waste that exists in this country because we have abundance and wealth and and so it's hard to have perspective when you have, when you're grown, when you've grown up in that wealth. And I and I try to bring that into my practice, you know, I mean, last year I was a mega, a grant winner and got, you know, $100,000 but.
00:26:12 Rick
Oh yeah.
00:26:28 Lua
I still want the kids to know how to build with a scrap wood from a fence that was taken down. You know we're not. We're not going to discard stuff. We're going to be resourceful. We're going to be conscious and grateful. And so that ties in to the bigger why, which is a philosophical thing, and we all have, you know, mantras and phrases.
00:26:46 Lua
And mine is and and this is a a quotation that talks about humanity, the generality of humanity, not a gender, but regard man as a mind rich in gems of inestimable value.
00:26:59 Lua
Education can alone cause it to reveal its treasures and enable mankind to benefit.
00:27:08 Rick
Where is that from?
00:27:08 Lua
From you're gonna have to Google it. You know, every person is a mine and my job as an educator, and this is the only thing that helped me survive my son. I mean, he was coming at me with tools. You know, violence injuring sibling. I mean it was, it was scary, it was scary. The only thing that keeps me going is if I really believe the and the nobility of every human being that there is a mind full of gems and my job is to discover and unlock those not only for themselves, but the benefit of others. And there's the justice. You know, we can't we we can't disregard the interdependence of the individual and the community in which they are embedded.
00:27:54 Michelle
Thank you for sharing that. And thinking of your son. And so many other students and myself as a student who really struggled in school. I found so often it was the adults, kind of like what's wrong with you. Why aren't you succeeding? And a feeling, really deep failure. And not meeting, not doing it. And I think of a plant. And if a plant wasn't thriving? We wouldn't say “you stupid plant.”
00:28:27 Lua
Gosh, yeah.
00:28:29 Michelle
What would we do? We would water it more. We would make sure it has enough sunlight. We'd see if the nutrients were there the and if if worst case scenario we would transplant it, but we would never throw out a plant.
00:28:42 Lua
Yeah, well, you know, that's in the the bigger, the bigger journey that we're on, right? Cause I see it a lot and I and I do see sometimes there are children that are just not making it in the mainstream. It's so hard.
00:29:00 Lua
And it would seem to be easier to assist them to move on somewhere else and not adapt or modify, or try ways to respond to their needs. And it's and it's. It's complex, you know, nothing is as simple as we wish it to be. That's something you learn over your life, and maybe schools don't have the resources, but.
00:29:25 Lua
But I I think the metaphor is accurate. I think when we see every individual just like we do the plants and it and maybe that's that's what we're doing, you know with children is when we're working with those plants and responding to them or going well, why is the ash here or why is the beetle doing this to the ash or or why is the tomato happy in this plot? Not in this plot, you know. maybe these experiences will allow them as children and later as adults to process because we learn from our natural environment.
00:29:58 Lua
And we don't have. We've lost, I think in our education, the ability to observe patterns and learn from nature.
00:30:09 Lua
And I think we're not just growing plants here. We're growing conscious individuals that will use those patterns in the world of physical creation to understand abstract concepts, develop human relationships that are, you know, constructive and harmonious and.
00:30:28 Lua
So I think I think what we're doing is a big is a big thing. It's more than teaching them to eat, you know. Which is why I post so much. I think to me is I mean not just to share my thing, but I love to learn and I want to hear always what others are doing, which is why I keep pestering you about the hub for Polk County, because not just to share our stuff, but I just want to be with people that want to learn and that's exciting.
00:30:54 Rick
And it's so so evident with her like she shows up at every opportunity. You know, like any hub that's.
00:31:00 Lua
Well, now that I can leave the home.
00:31:01 Michelle
Yeah, I know. I'm still stuck in my. Yeah, thing.
00:31:06 Michelle
Thank you, Lou.
00:31:08 Lua
Thank you for having me. It's been a treat.
00:31:11 Michelle
And we'd like to thank all of you listening for tuning in today.
00:31:15 Rick
Yeah. Thank you, Lua, so much. The farm to school podcast was written, directed and produced by Rick Sherman and Michelle Markstein and was made possible by a grant from the United States Department of Agriculture.
00:31:27 Michelle
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00:31:41 Rick
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00:31:58 Michelle
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00:32:06 Rick
That's it, everybody. Thank you so much, Lua. Say goodbye lua. Goodbye.
00:32:07 Michelle
Bye all. Thanks. Bye.
00:32:10 Lua
Thank you.