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WHAT-IF: Reimagining Humanity Through Future Technologies
What happens when the barrier between human thought and technology disappears? In this mind-bending episode, we're joined by Digital Boardwalk's escalations engineer Damien Howell to explore the frontiers of future technology that could fundamentally reshape humanity.
We dive headfirst into brain-computer interfaces and their revolutionary potential to eliminate physical devices altogether. Imagine controlling everything with your thoughts or having Google searches happen directly in your mind. But as Damien points out, this convenience comes with profound security risks – if your brain is connected to networks, could your thoughts be hacked? We contemplate the social implications, coining the term "anti-chippers" for those who might resist neural enhancement in a cyberpunk-like future.
The conversation takes fascinating turns through genetic modifications that could let us communicate with animals and plants, dream recording technology that raises questions about privacy and creativity, and weather control capabilities that could create new geopolitical tensions. We examine how AI-powered education systems might personalize learning while potentially widening digital divides, and explore how deep space colonization would transform governance and society.
Throughout our discussion, we balance technological optimism with critical examination of ethical implications. Would recording dreams create new forms of entertainment or expose our innermost thoughts to scrutiny? Could interplanetary internet systems connect distant human colonies while opening new security vulnerabilities? These aren't just theoretical questions – they're the approaching realities that will shape the future of human experience.
Join us for this thought-provoking exploration of technology's next frontiers, complete with rapid-fire questions about yard rakes, flying superpowers, and what chores we'd happily surrender to robots. Subscribe now and never miss a discussion about the technologies reshaping our world!
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Hello and welcome to another version of Nerds on Tap, where we dive into deep discussions based around entrepreneurship and business, but it always has to be fused with new technology and how we use existing technology to benefit our lives and our businesses, all while tasting a flight of favorite brews that our guest has chosen. Today is going to be fun, because I've been trying to get Mr Damien Howell on here for a while and we finally get him today. I'll introduce him in just a minute. But also our stories today will be centered around exploring future hypotheticals of technology and its potential impact on the world. The emphasis here is these are all going to be potential future technologies, not existing, or they could be existing technologies that are in beta, that haven't been in production or, you know, used by consumers yet. So I always love these types of episodes.
Speaker 1:So a little bit about Damien. He is the escalations engineer at Digital Boardwalk. We all love him around here. He does a great job. I actually was at a dinner last night hosting one of our customers and his name came up by the customer and they were raving about him, and so he's always been fascinated with computers and he's been using computers since he was a kid. His favorite show is Breaking Bad, His favorite pastime is playing video games and he is a pushover, ladies, for Dunkin' Donuts. So if you want to get to this man's heart, it's through Dunkin' Donuts. Today we're going to touch on depending on time, we're going to try to touch on as many of these topics as we can. We're going to hit on brain-computer interfaces, universal translators, AI tutors, climate control technology, human biology alterations, dream recording, deep space colonization and interplanetary internet. Now, we might not hit on all of these, but we're going to hit on as many of these as we can and talk about them. But first, welcome to the show, Mr Damien Howe.
Speaker 2:Thank you very much for having me Excited to be here.
Speaker 3:Yeah, why are you excited to be here?
Speaker 2:I'm excited to be here because, after watching all the other podcasts, I feel like there's always a lot of interesting questions and also it's been very hard to catch me. So I feel like at this point it's going to be a really good episode because it's been such a long time in the making.
Speaker 1:All right, All right. Well, I'm excited to have you. I know we've been like, like you said, we've been talking about this for a while. Some things came up Life gets in the way but we finally got you. So do you know how our show usually starts?
Speaker 2:Don't we usually start off the beer tasting?
Speaker 4:Gotta have a beer Edge. What do we got today have is the Sunshine State White Sangria from the Brewer Island Grove Wine Co. Your senses will come alive with the fragrant aromas of pineapple, peaches and mangoes. This fresh fruit blend offers you a light-bodied, sweet, fruit-forward experience that is pleasing to the novice sipper.
Speaker 1:Mr Hedge, are all these beers today going to be fruity like this?
Speaker 4:I can't comment on that, but we'll find out as the show progresses okay, I just took a sip, I don't have a comment damian, what are you drinking?
Speaker 2:so I'm going to be drinking a land shark lager from the brewer Margaritaville Brewing Company.
Speaker 1:Wait a minute.
Speaker 2:So, aren't you working Technically off the clock as of three?
Speaker 1:minutes ago Awesome.
Speaker 3:Awesome.
Speaker 2:But born in Margaritaville. This island style lager is complex blend of hops and two row caramel melt. This island-style lager is complex blend of hops and two-row caramel melt. You have Melt with a light, refreshing taste and a hint of malty sweetness. There you guys go.
Speaker 3:You have listened to our show.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, so I will now take this. Well, I wish I was drinking that. All right, all right, so we're going to hit you right away with brain computer interfaces, or BCIs. So what if brain computer interfaces became as common as smartphones, allowing people to control devices with their thoughts? What do you think about that, damian? What are your thoughts? What are you? Here's the irony. What are your thoughts on that topic?
Speaker 2:So I think that if we started getting, like, you know, interfaces in our brains, kind of like what, like uh, elon Musk is trying to do right now with the whole like brain link thing, um, I don't know it's going to, it's going to make a pretty interesting situation, because I feel like you're gonna have those people that are, like, you know, black hat hackers trying to like hack into, uh you know some like grandma's phone or something, and it's gonna. It's gonna cause for a pretty interesting thing, because it's like built in your brain. So I don't really know how that's going to go. You know what I mean? Yeah, I guess. What are your thoughts?
Speaker 1:Well, I would. I would want to know how do you think they would change the way we interact with technology on a daily basis? That's the key thing, because if, if you're connected and you're working with the tech, I think that's I guess that would be the first thing I would want to bring up is you're going to interact with tech on a daily basis. How is that going to change? And then we can talk about, you know, the social aspects and things like that.
Speaker 2:Right. I think that, honestly, the biggest thing is going to be we might be able to neutralize the need for a physical device altogether. Be able to neutralize the need for a physical device altogether as, in like, since we're going straight through our head, we'll be able to day to day, you know, if we need to like search something on Google, we'll have the search engine built in to our brain. So we're either seeing the interface or we're just thinking the thoughts of it searching, and then we're able to process that and get the results that we're looking for.
Speaker 2:So, I really think it's going to be an interesting thing, because if we can neutralize the need for a physical device, we might actually open ourselves to more things we can do, since we're linking it directly into our internals, you know. Um, so yeah, it's kind of what I'm thinking on that.
Speaker 1:Hey, by the way. Um, this is off topic, but who's your supervisor? This is off topic, but who's your supervisor? Jimmy Guest, jimmy Guest, wait a minute, wait a minute, hold up, hold up. Let's stop the show for just a minute. I, what is that? Oh, I hear you.
Speaker 4:Edge, do we, do we have a special? Guest joining Damien on the show today? I don't know.
Speaker 3:Let me check the other camera real quick, quick. Oh look who we have in the studio there he is mr damien.
Speaker 5:I see you're drinking on the clock he's talking to you like he's darth vader, and you're.
Speaker 2:Look at the lighting too. It just casts over. It looks so villainous it does Just like in that shot caller video, mr Damien.
Speaker 5:How is it?
Speaker 2:going, Mr Guest.
Speaker 5:It is going well sir.
Speaker 1:So, Jimmy, what are your thoughts on that? I mean, let's talk about the interaction between BCIs and technology. What do you see as the immediate, immediately? What comes to your head as far as the immediate impact?
Speaker 5:I mean, it's very interesting to hear Damien's response, from his age group, so to speak versus what I would think of it being more of a 3D interaction of like a I don't know like the Apple Visor, where you see, like the actual screenshots of it, he's more of like. This is going to be more of an interface, which is an awesome answer. It's just the different thought process was pretty, even though it's you know, we're talking about Neuralink.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, I mean with any type of Neuralink. I mean obviously, I mean there's the obvious things that come to mind. I mean you've got the psychology aspect, which they're already doing today and we'll get more into that. That's where you're. You're hooking up, you're looking at a series of colors and listening to a series of sounds and you're reacting to them sounds and you're reacting to them, and what it's doing is it's checking your neuro network to see how your neuro network is responding to these different things. So, for instance, like children with depression or suicidal thoughts or anything like that, they are actually doing that today. Where you can, you know, hook up and it has a really high success rate because it's retraining your brain through neuro waves, if you will, or responses to make your brain think differently. So they're not so down.
Speaker 5:This is correct. I've seen some of the tests that they're running with Neuralink.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Damien, yeah, that is actually a really crazy thought because, like Jimmy is saying, they have actually already been starting to do that, where they have these devices mounted onto certain parts of your brain that when they detect certain waves like sadness or something being propped within your brain, then it sends a certain it's like a certain kind of a jolt. If you will, that will basically counteract it and or make you go on to a different level. So say, if you're starting to feel sad, it might give you a jolt and put you on a path to being happy again, as in like, if something got you down, then you'll start looking at the upsides of it and then you won't be so down about it and it will change the way you're thinking about things like your perception of it.
Speaker 1:So I mean BCIs would revolutionize accessibility for people with disabilities. I mean we just covered that. Are there any ethical concerns with with the neural enhancements Do you? What would the ethical concerns be here? Now, this is kind of a loaded question and it's really hard to answer, but let's keep an open mind. And just what are your thoughts?
Speaker 5:Amen, you take it away first, mr Guest. No, that's a good questions. I mean, think about it and what we've always been taught through the years, even through eighties movies and everything like that you know, skynet was basically a neural net processor, the basically the other things of it. All we've been taught to learn in our generation is ai is bad. Super computer computers will take over the world, yeah, and things like that. So if you look at it from that aspect but also think of maybe, well, if you develop the technology to change waves, is there a thought process into it that you can start reading how people think?
Speaker 1:I think today if you look at those movies and look at what ended, how those movies ended. Not always good, not always good. We are right now living that Skynet era. We are Because we are developing robotics and we are coming along really quick. Ai is coming along, neuro when you combine all these things in a more mature fashion, when they have matured, oh my God, exactly, you've got Terminator, exactly. So what industries would benefit the most from widespread bci adoption?
Speaker 5:a lot, health care, um senior living facilities. That's um psychology. Psychology, I mean mainly the medical field, is what comes to mind any top of it, but I mean it's some kind of practical application space travel.
Speaker 1:I was about to say what if they're wired in?
Speaker 5:and If they learn how to control REM sleep and control stuff like that, to where if you did long space travel where you could actually go back and forth on that? That's a different thought as well.
Speaker 1:So, damian, I'm going to put you on the spot what jobs would be made obsolete by this technology.
Speaker 2:I feel like a lot of jobs dealing with tech inherently would become not as needed because of the fact like, such as a normal computer issue, right?
Speaker 2:So say, your day-to-day user is having a printing issue that they'd normally like submit a ticket for, well, if you're integrating like a Neuralink system into that, then they're going to have the ineptibility to be able to research it on the fly and or have an interface straight up, tell them what they need to press and or how they need to fix it. So I feel like, in a way, that a lot of technical jobs we're not going to totally go out because there's going to have to be people that come up with the ideas for the Neuralink and stuff like that, but more simpler day-to-day things for, like you know, like a normal engineer or something working a help desk, it might not be as needed or say, um, that's a good question, well, it brings really to add to that, it brings back more of the ethical question of if the help desk engineer is actually wired in as well, to see what thoughts back and forth from there.
Speaker 5:There's also more things you could elaborate on that all day.
Speaker 1:Well, when you go into the hacking, right, yeah, I mean I immediately steer to security and privacy concerns. I mean, what if? Could our thoughts be hacked and manipulated, or manipulated?
Speaker 5:That's exactly what I was thinking, because I don't.
Speaker 4:One thing that you guys keep bringing up is you know the use of do you hear a voice?
Speaker 3:and prior voice?
Speaker 4:stuff. But uh, you know these. These devices are built into your brain. If you have a neural link, you wouldn't have to use a computer. You just think about it and you're searching the web with your own brain. So as far as like ethical concerns go, I mean you're talking about like psychological hacking, like people being able to hack your thoughts or hack your own vision and doing all sorts of stuff you would have to be hooked up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, to the internet I mean. Or you know, yeah, I mean because if it's just localized and you're just communicating with a computer, that's like on-prem like if you're disabled and you're you know you've got it built into the chair or whatever. To hack it someone would have to come up behind you, I guess, and plug into that chair. But if you're hooked up to the internet, it's kind of like a tesla. You see, what was that movie where the teslas all ran into one another.
Speaker 5:Oh, that's the end of us or the end of the world, or gosh, it was on netflix anyway. Yeah, those teslas were.
Speaker 1:It was part of the hack I mean they were hacked and they just went berserk. Yep, um, which you know. I don't think that's on our thing today, but it all goes back to that and how that would play out. So final question on this topic, before we jump into genetics Do you think BCIs could lead to a new form of social divide between those who adopt and those who don't? Now, these are movie. There's movies made about this stuff I mean you've got one side pitted against the other.
Speaker 1:The first thing that comes to mind for me is I mean those who adopt, uh like, anything controlled by a computer that thinks faster than a human. Obviously it's going to give you superpowers, like an exoskeleton in robotics is going to give you super paddle powers on a battlefield, uh, or to lift more things. I mean, plugging in with a bci is going to give you access to things that the natural one habit, brain, isn't going to be able to connect to.
Speaker 4:I'm going to go ahead and coin the phrase here anti-chipper. Those are the people that don't adopt BCIs.
Speaker 1:That sounds more like somebody that refuses to chip wood somebody that refuses to chip wood.
Speaker 2:I think of it like a cyberpunk way. You know, you're gonna have the people that are into the, the self-modification of it, because they want that upper edge on normal humanity. But then you're also gonna have the people that are like no, I want my body, I want my humanity yeah, they're anarchists.
Speaker 1:Right right, you're gonna have the anarchists. They're gonna be marking, they're gonna be living underground, and then you're gonna have all these super, super humans living above ground, using all these different technologies to uh, try to rule the world right I mean, is that a real? Could that become a reality?
Speaker 2:that's what we're coming towards I mean, think about 1960 to 1990.
Speaker 5:Okay, there was only telephone and not. Okay, you're talking on the telephone too much. After the 90s, 2000, cell phones people are talking more on the cell phones too long. Social media social media right head down.
Speaker 1:We call that the head. Uh, it was the head down generation right.
Speaker 5:So then you go to this new era like that.
Speaker 1:That's a whole another ballpark so I'm gonna steer this one toward damien, because I like the fun questions to go to him, because he's got some pretty wonky answers. Um, we're gonna go ahead and switch over to the genetics section. And if you could use those bcis that we have been talking about, or genetic modification to communicate to communicate with animals or plants what would be the first thing you'd want to ask them?
Speaker 2:So I guess the first thing I'd ask them I'd be like hey, what do you think of a human adaptation, you know as a species? 100 years ago you guys watched us just being these normal humans. But now you're looking at us, able to neuro link talk to you. Or we have cybernetic arms and legs like this, talk to you, or we have cybernetic arms and legs like this, then you're. Then you're questioning other animal species on your own, if you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:So you're asking them what they think of your adaptation you know, I'd be asking my dog, nola, if she really likes the food I'm feeding her, because I never could tell. She seems to love it one day and not the next day. Or I'd want to ask her why do you bark so much?
Speaker 5:true. What about you? I would ask the cat why he meows so much, or does his?
Speaker 1:damien, what would, what would you ask your plant?
Speaker 2:I. I could ask my plant anything. I would ask it why do you die so often? Even even though I water you and take care of you, why do you still die?
Speaker 1:because you have it in a closet, in a dark closet. So genetics, bcis, mods we're talking about animals and plants. Could this change how we approach environmental conservation? Would we have a moral responsibility to listen to nature's quote unquote voice? So this is fun, I mean, edge, did you come up with these questions?
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay yeah, edge did you come up with?
Speaker 5:these questions? Yeah, okay, yeah. So, jg, what do you think? That is the age-old question. It is, I mean, well, think about time. I've ever heard that question. Think about it, though, and the aspect he's trying to make it think about it. You always talk about listening to mother nature. Are we doing right for the planet? Are we doing all these things and listening to the voice of the planet? So, now you have all these things, that will actually turn, and you could talk to plants, you could talk to animals.
Speaker 1:How would is the planet screaming right now?
Speaker 5:exactly is it? Some people say yes, some people say no. Right, good answer. I mean, that's a, that's a multi-layered, a whole other subject we can get into. It's a world divided, correct?
Speaker 5:but scientists, most scientists, say yes, it is screaming and then there's a half that says that this is a cycle. Then it goes back and this is something that happens every million years or whatever there's. There's a lot of it goes back and forth. So I mean it's a very intellectual conversation, damien. What do you think? What do you think, damien? It goes back and forth. So I mean it's a very intellectual conversation, damien, what do you? Think what do you think, Damien?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that is definitely a question. So I think, in turn, if we're able to communicate with the plants and we're, you know, seeing what they think of the world at its current I think they're definitely going to have a bit of a bone to pick with us, definitely as humans, for what we've done to them. But also I feel like it might give us a bit better of an edge to figure out where we can come back and we can restore what we've destroyed. You know the plants can tell us how they you know as people, you know how people reproduce and stuff like that and rebuild areas. It would be the same kind of thing. So it might be a helpful thing if we could communicate with the animals and plants, because then we'd know how to keep them around and keep everything happy, you know.
Speaker 1:But, you know, are we playing God here by talking about this? I mean, I hate to use that phrase, um, but what are the ethical implications of, of modifying human biology to, you know, interact with other species? I mean, if we could interact with other species, why are you?
Speaker 5:I'm saying we're going, we're going on, we're going on a we're going on like this one conversation that could go here right back. I mean, are we playing?
Speaker 2:god but it's a good question you.
Speaker 1:it's interesting, because I could use that phrase playing God with anything you've accomplished in the evolution of humans and technology over the last shoot, last thousand years, years. So you know, when it comes to this, though, I mean this is far-fetched to me, me, but so was a computer in my pocket just 30 years ago that's very true, but then you get into a lot of the ethical and the religious aspects of it.
Speaker 1:That starts to make it brings out more questions I mean, but if humans could communicate with animals, right, right, how, I mean, how would that impact industries like agriculture, hunting, pet ownership, I mean, wouldn't it change? Of course it would. You might hate your cat, jimmy. You might hate the cat, if your cat can talk back to you.
Speaker 5:Your cat might hate you. If the cow could tell you what it really needs to make more milk, if the bird could tell you what it needs, there would be a whole different ballpark going on Our Yorkie Hank.
Speaker 1:One day he loves me, next day I think he hates me. And I didn't do anything to him.
Speaker 5:He just reacts to me different on different days, and it's, it's a little weird damien.
Speaker 1:Do you have animals? Yeah, I and a Shih Tzu.
Speaker 2:So the Shih Tzu fits? It's just the poodle.
Speaker 1:Well, I have a doodle which is basically predominantly a poodle.
Speaker 2:So we're brothers. Well, that, and also to match you know how poodles are usually like a bougie dog. Well, my poodle's name is Gucci. You know, to really fit the meaning. What's your other dog's name. Her name is Bella. She has a normal dog name.
Speaker 1:I never Dude you. Look at him and he has a dog named Bella.
Speaker 5:I knew he had a dog. I didn't know he had two dogs. That's something I just learned. Wow, had a dog you know you had two dogs, that's something I just learned.
Speaker 2:Wow, I'll. Uh, dang tim, I should have sent you pictures of this beforehand. We could have thrown them up on the screen oh, you will, this is pre-recorded.
Speaker 1:You send them to edge, he will throw your he will throw your poodle named gu up on the screen, Mr Howell.
Speaker 3:All right, so we're going to jump into our last part of this Now, this I'm excited about.
Speaker 1:Before we taste our next beer Dream recording, okay. Our next beer, uh, dream recording, okay. So if we could record dreams, like like we record videos, right, if we could record them like videos, do you think it would enhance creativity or could it cause problems like exposing thoughts we don't want others to see? Now, obviously, if you record a video and you don't like it or don't want anybody to see it, you know, delete it, right now I just want to go on record.
Speaker 5:They did this on total recall. Talk to me about that, a total recall where they implanted dreams, the remake with well, there was both or the original original with schwarzenegger. Yes, they did both where they implanted the dream and in life back into his brain.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, they did.
Speaker 5:Yeah, and it was called. I forget the name.
Speaker 1:And they did record video.
Speaker 5:They recorded the video and they played it back. Oh yeah, I'm a big fan.
Speaker 1:You can always count on JG to bring us all back to movie talk. Yes, damien, have you had a dream recently?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean I experienced what most people experience you wake up and you remember bits and pieces of your dreams, but you know it was something cool. Fragments, yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 1:Was it cool. Can you share on the show? Or was it too racy to share on the show?
Speaker 2:Too racy to share because I don't really have enough to make it a continuous story um all right, okay, I know where this is going and next so anyway.
Speaker 1:So if you could record that dream, if that dream was pre-recorded, right like it recorded automatically when you had it, what would you do the next morning? Would you delete it or would you re-watch it?
Speaker 2:so I've had a few epiphanies in my life where I've waken up and I was like you know, wow, that dream I just had was, like you know, book worthy, like I could be like the next JK Rowling or something. Um so uh, with that being said, I would save my dream and I would probably write a book on it, because I think that'd be a really cool thing to do.
Speaker 1:Yeah that's great. Have you ever had a dream come true? This isn't on my script here. Have you ever had a dream come true?
Speaker 5:It's kind of on the whole philosophical layers of things again too, like I've had dreams.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I have too, when I was younger. That many, many, many moons later.
Speaker 5:Yes, I will 100% agree with that.
Speaker 3:It actually happened.
Speaker 5:Yes, I've had that.
Speaker 1:Yes, I will 100% agree with that. It actually happened. Yes, I've had that. And you know, I think my last dream I had my whole family was in my dream and all I remember is wherever we were, there were people chasing us and there were bombs and I was protecting my family and taking them through rubble.
Speaker 1:That was my last dream that I can remember having. And if I was plugged in uh to a bci and I was able to record uh dreams and I recorded that, how cool would that be to play it back for your family? And hey, guess what?
Speaker 5:that's what we were doing. Watch me save you guys.
Speaker 1:Watch me save you so could, could dream recording become the next form of entertainment, sure I?
Speaker 5:think I could done already touched on it.
Speaker 1:He did look right done practically.
Speaker 2:Actually there's been a study. I don't know if you guys have heard of this, but in california there's a startup company in the Silicon Valley that was basically trying to get people to visualize your lucid dreams or have others step into those dreams while they're happening, and it actually was successful. They had a full blown, successful test. They had two like neuro links basically hooked up to two people and they went to sleep and they, I think they gave them some sort of a like stimulant to help them, uh, to help them, um, get the lucid dream to form, basically. But once it did, with the system they had together, they were actually able to communicate within the dream and they recorded the whole thing. They recorded the interaction. It's, it's insane.
Speaker 3:It was the first ever case.
Speaker 1:You know, send me the name of that startup if you can find it, because we like to let our listeners know who this is, because I'm sure they'd be interested in finding some information on that. So if it was the next form of entertainment, imagine selling your dreams as a movie.
Speaker 5:I already was about to say they did this in vanilla sky with tom cruise would you?
Speaker 1:would you watch someone else's dreams? I mean, we already watch reels and we watch other people putting on. I mean, I think my daughter watches girls putting on makeup to help her figure out how to put on makeup. So technically, people are filming in their own bedrooms doing normal everyday stuff and people are finding that fascinating, right. So I'm sure dreams would be really cool, because it would be like the same thing, except in a uh a, a movie production.
Speaker 5:Because it would be like a movie right, damien, anything else before uh you got me cashed on that.
Speaker 2:Uh, I got him, I got him cashed, he's still thinking about that last dream he had yeah that's
Speaker 3:too racy for our show he's book
Speaker 1:deal I'm trying to, I'm trying to put the fragments together for you guys I mean dream, dream sharing could be used, for it's a practice, uh, mental health therapy. Uh, could it help with ptsd or anxiety, or might it create new issues? I mean, if you could watch your own dreams back I mean I know some of my dreams it would scare the hell out of me. You know why did I dream that? What the hell? I mean, that's your, your subconscious, you know, just generating what are they sorting out?
Speaker 5:your like, yeah, non-memory it's like I forget what it was, but it's like sorting out the conflicts that you're dealing with in your life or things that you want so before we go on to our next beer, final question on this topic how do you think people would feel about dream privacy?
Speaker 1:I mean, this is the. If you notice, I'm touching on privacy and ethics and security, because that's what we do. Could dream recordings be used in court like surveillance footage? I mean, come on, I would think they would be able to, but again, it's your subconscious.
Speaker 5:You know my movie brain's thinking here. They did that in Minority Report.
Speaker 1:Oh, I remember Minority Report. Is that with the cop Tom?
Speaker 5:Cruise yeah, and then they would dream it out, and then they would use that as the crime that they did not pre-commit. Yeah, they chased Tom Cruise because right on his dream so if you have the dream that you dreamed of killing someone before you did it, does it become that you're actually going to kill that person?
Speaker 4:well, it wasn't a dream.
Speaker 5:There was what he was to the future but it was the crimes they were going to commit right yeah, crimes that they were going to commit that they haven't done yet within, like they haven't done yet, though still before it happened.
Speaker 1:Damien, have you seen that movie. Predestination. Did not Were you playing with Gucci?
Speaker 5:I think it's probably before his time.
Speaker 1:He was hanging out with Gucci. It was before his time.
Speaker 2:Before yeah, before my time, we can Me and?
Speaker 5:Damien have intellectual discussions on that. What's up, Damien? Me and Damien have intellectual discussions on that.
Speaker 2:What's up, damien? The one thing I do got to say, though. That is a curious thought, because I feel like when people do bad things that could actually land them in legal trouble, such as like jail time or something, I feel like it's with most people something that they can't forget and it plays through their mind constantly. It's like a thought that never stops. So say you do go and murder someone, right?
Speaker 2:Well, usually those people will replay that event in their head over and over, and over and over, because while they're thinking of ways they can twist and bend the story and they're, you know, to get it in their ballpark their brain is never going to forget that action. So, with that being said, say you had a dream, get recorded and that's playing over and over in your thoughts. We could always have a thing where they have to do a sleep study on you. They can record a dream, pull it off of you, and then where they're getting all of this, all these repeated dreams of this one event happening, because your brain can't stop thinking of it. They can probably rightfully charge you if they have the suspicion of you doing such a crime, if you were convicted already.
Speaker 2:Right, right. You would have to have previous evidence on that.
Speaker 1:But I'm not a lawyer. I talk to lawyers all the time in our business, but I'm not a lawyer. But how would that hold up in court? I mean, again we come back to is this permissible in court? I mean, can we actually use this? This is built off your subconscious mind. Premeditation yeah, I guess premeditation.
Speaker 2:Just think about it.
Speaker 4:There's nothing illegal about thinking about it. It's just the action of about it. There's nothing illegal about thinking about it, it's just the action of doing it.
Speaker 5:But we're still talking about the ethical thing of your thing. You know it happens. Let's say, like Damien was saying, you dreamed about it the whole nine yards and then, six months down the road, it happens.
Speaker 4:So then you basically basically, well, on the flip side of this, you know, there are clinically diagnosed uh what, what's the term? Um? Psychopaths that are normal, everyday functioning citizens that don't murder people. Uh, so just keep that, you know, in your brain you're right you can't arrest these people for being just because they're psychopaths.
Speaker 4:They haven't done anything wrong. You might think about it all the time, but just because someone thinks about it doesn't mean that they're actually going to act upon it. It's that whole intrusive thought thing, you know, like you're standing next to a fire and you're like, you know, I kind of want to stick my hand in that but I did that when I was a kid just to see if how hot it was.
Speaker 1:It's just um, you, you know, and, and, and you know you, you're like god.
Speaker 5:Really would like for that person to be gone, but can't do that because you know it just gets to the ethical portion of it and we're talking about ethics and the thing. Eh, you know it's an interesting conversation, alright, damien what should we do next?
Speaker 1:I?
Speaker 2:think it's time, guys. I think it's time for the annual beer testing Edge. What do you?
Speaker 4:got All right. So our second beer is another Sunshine State Berry Sangria from Island Grove Wine Co. The brewer described this saying Aromas of luscious citrus, flavorful fruit and sweet blueberries will take you mentally. This is sangria.
Speaker 1:This is not beer, this is sangria. Jimmy's on the show and he drinks sangria and this is sangria and I just took a big old sip of it. It's good. Yeah, it is good, it's good. It is good, it's good, it is good. It's a little. I'm sure the ladies like it jimmy, jimmy, it's good pinkies out oh yeah, you're right with with the, the long neck and all yeah, damien, I think we need to hang out and drink real beer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I get some real ones. Hey, send that shipment over here. I got you next Nerds on tap.
Speaker 1:Have you ever gone beer drinking with Jimmy guest?
Speaker 2:I haven't yet Actually on our. Christmas party. I had a blueberry beer and he had a Roman Coke.
Speaker 5:He's right, I did.
Speaker 1:Cause they minco something. He's right, I did because they had no sangria because they had no sangria. Actually, I don't think my wife let me order it to be honest, actually not bad jimmy, but you know, drinking beer and then switching to sangria, this is headache, central right here, but I already have one. So let's get back on topic for our audience. I'm sorry I got a crazy crew on here today, but I hope you're enjoying uh again. We have mr damien howe and mr uh jimmy guest I think that's his name, right well I was.
Speaker 1:I didn't know. It was mr missus when he's drinking sangria.
Speaker 5:But it works, both you know, all right whatever fits, let's jump into ai tutors.
Speaker 1:So both of my kids have tutors. Uh, mostly for math, because, god math, have you ever tried to? I had to help my kids with today's math. They had to change it and, oh my god, I had to get them a tutor because I didn't want to deal with it anymore. I know right, it's different. It's not like what we, it's not the same. What does they call it? Common something? Oh, they call it something.
Speaker 5:And I looked at that and I went you gotta be kidding me I was learning different than I was more of the kid who growing up in school of math, I was very avid about not learning times tables because god invented a calculator. Why couldn't I use that?
Speaker 1:I got. I got my calculator taken away from me. You know, I did too. You know why? Why it was on my wrist.
Speaker 5:Oh, Casio, Actually I had one, but I never got caught with it.
Speaker 4:Tim Kathleen was telling me about the math tutoring that your kids go to. Yeah, there's like a weird name of a style of math. It is.
Speaker 5:It's weird.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've heard of it. Don't ask me. It was like shanghai, yeah, something, yeah, something like that. Yeah, yeah, I don't know, and that to me sounds like chinese math and I don't want to do it, sorry. Um, so, ai tutors, let's talk about ai tutors. If ai tutors personalized education for every student right, which which is kind of cool, would traditional schools and universities still have a place? Damian, you go first.
Speaker 2:I for sure think that teachers and universities and stuff like that would definitely still have a place, because some people don't grasp, even if it's a personalized thing which in the future will probably be very helpful for a lot of people. I think a lot of people do need, or it's a necessity for them, to have that physical handholding. With learning something, it just comes easier to them if they have a physical hand there to teach it to them.
Speaker 1:What if AI keeps getting smarter and smarter, to where the tone, the everything about it, the tone, the grammar, the everything it's using is just like a physical person showing them how it works.
Speaker 3:I mean think of it like think about it, damien, real quick.
Speaker 1:Think about it like what we do. We're in the cybersecurity business, right, and the bad actors are using AI to be more sophisticated and mostly to change the grammar, the tone and the formatting of their phishing campaigns. So it's not like the way it used to be, with a lot of misspellings and kindly sir, and all that. Now it sounds like you or me.
Speaker 2:Right, yeah, all that now it sounds like you or me, right, yeah? And that's totally a good argument as well, because it's you know, they'll develop it to a point where it will be basically like every kid's personal teacher that they could ever wish for. You know what I mean. It probably will get to the point where it's like, hey, if this is how you learn, the ai is going to do everything like that and it's going to personalize it towards you, which, in that regard, it does become a little scary if you're in like the teaching business or something, because then you're, you're, uh, you're, you know your job is at risk here over an ai that could potentially know significantly more than you and tailor towards a student much more than you would, because different personalities, men with different people.
Speaker 2:So if an ai is able to replicate any personality that will mend yours, then it is. It's kind of putting all those kind of things at risk. So I mean in a way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you could do that right now with a lot of things, everything from avatars and your video games to make them more you know, kind of be who you want them to be to chatbots, and shoot your assistant on your phone, whether it's Siri or Alexa or whatever it is. You know you can make it sound different. I mean, I've got the default girl on my phone. My wife has some sort of sexy australian man voice on her phone which I had to front her out about, but uh, and I have the indian man there you go.
Speaker 5:Oh yeah, he does. You have leached, you have leached. I said what the hell is this crap? Damien, you know it's like he does on his voicemail.
Speaker 3:You have, oh yes he does, you have reached you have leached.
Speaker 5:I'm like what hello?
Speaker 2:hello I am here to help you today and it's because I, it's because I got to talk to you. The bad part is is that half of it started as a joke but now that I work in it, a lot of these places are outsourced so they do utilize, like indian fellowship and stuff like that so the sad thing is I've actually become accustomed to like understanding it. So in a way, yeah, as funny as it is when you hear, keep right at the fork, you know like that helps me be like, hey, okay, I need to be listening to this.
Speaker 1:That's, that's my, that's my man. I I might have to change mine to that.
Speaker 5:Are you on an apple phone? Yes, it's on his iphone. Okay, I think I'm gonna.
Speaker 5:I think I'm gonna remind me after I will change mine. Good other point, though. You guys, I'll bring another philosophical point. Think about, like some of the latest movies and the latest tv shows. The one that really got me recently was cobra kai, where they did the last episode where they bought pat me I don't misspell his name, but they brought back him as an ai oh and they did, yeah, they uh, yeah it just deep fake, deep fake, but still, yeah, he looked, so I've seen that in a couple things.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's, that's one of them. And still, he definitely. What was the other one? There was another one with a younger version of the person, but it still had a funky but there's some good ones on movies now no, it looked great, but it did have a.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they used it so extensively in cobra kai because they had to create, recreate that it was johnny. It was johnny, yeah it was. It was a little weird. It was almost not. I mean, it looked real but it didn't look like the young, totally right, younger version of himself. They did it with paul walker and fast paul workers.
Speaker 5:The one was, uh, star wars rogue one, peter call. I think peter calls his name the actor. He's been dead for years and they brought him back and they look pretty real yeah well, I saw it in another.
Speaker 1:Another show I watched recently, or a movie I watched recently, it was a uh remake, or it was a part two where they brought back the younger, or the history of the younger versions of themselves. I think it was brad pitt, I don't remember anyway. So could ai. So let's stay on ai. Could ai driven learning help close education gaps, sure? Or would it widen the divide between those who have access and those who don't? Again, we're on that same thing where neuro yes or no?
Speaker 1:ai, yes or no, I like it. If you embrace ai and you use it as an assistant for productivity, it's great, it's great. But when bad actors use it to expedite, uh like in in our, in our neck of the woods, you know, with cyber security, hacking a network, it makes it a little guessing stuff like well, they're having more luck with it right, come on, guys talk up then for the little, the little credit card machine that john connor Talk with it.
Speaker 5:Right, come on, guys. Talk up Then for the little credit card machine that John Connor put in the ATM to guess the pin code is not a fake thing anymore. Yeah, that is true.
Speaker 2:Yeah, true, yeah, I mean, the main thing is with that question is that it really comes down to whether you're going to have it or whether you won't. You know, because I feel like the people that will have it, that decide to take full advantage, yeah, they probably will end up being much more intelligent and have a lot less holes in their, in their thought process than someone who doesn't or someone who's against it. So, with that being said, I think that these AI systems would be pretty, pretty well, well off.
Speaker 1:Do you think educators are going to be against it or for it? I mean, think about it. Are their jobs? In jeopardy I mean, would they still be needed? What's the goal there? Is it again to assist them to be able to augment? In my opinion, you're still going to need the educators. Use the AI to augment what they can do, so it makes them more powerful as an educator.
Speaker 2:Right, Because I mean, in a way, you're going to have teachers that are more efficient with their teachings with certain students, but with other people they might not be able to mend as well. So that's one of those case scenarios where, if they do have an AI assistant to kind of help them out, it can guide them as a instructor on how to instruct this person better. You know what I mean, but in other ways that's just a that's just a hard question, man.
Speaker 1:But are are kids going to rely on it too much and is it going to change like their critical thinking skills, I mean, is it going to is it going to? Is gonna is? Is it gonna diminish that? Because I mean, now they're relying on it so much. It's kind of like relying on a calculator versus long form mathematics, correct?
Speaker 5:so in theory that would be correct. I mean, you would change the dynamics of how they learn and how they're thinking. So think about it logistically. If you change, if you give someone the ability to do that, now that human interaction is now gone, there's a lot of more philosophical things to talk about on that.
Speaker 2:I mean, it's a very good point and a question all the same thing one of those right, and that's one of those things where it definitely could present itself as almost not helpful to a person because, in a way, yeah, they can get it done, but is it actually helping them learn? And, you know, grow as a person? Because, you know, coming from someone who was in high school, during the covet event, which we all know, a lot of people started relying on things like photo math and stuff like that. Which does? It uses AI to interpret certain problems and solve them. And then, yeah, it does, it tells you how to do it and everything, but most people are just going to use that for an answer.
Speaker 1:They're not going to directly use that for knowledge, to teach themselves how to do it, yeah, right, so so, um, I'm going to keep switching gears here, guys, because we've got a lot of topics to cover. We're getting through it. I've got two questions on this next topic. Okay, we're going to talk about climate control. Right, climate control.
Speaker 1:I mean sure, we have nests or whatever it is in our house. We can control them through our phones and whatever. But what if we had Damien? What if we had technology capable of controlling the weather, not the climate within your house, but the weather? How would countries use it for political or economic power? Think about that.
Speaker 2:If you could hack the weather, so that is actually a great question, because now you're leading down the rabbit hole of certain countries. If they were, it kind of depends because you know, say their power first is only they have the ability to control the weather within their country, but say, then we have cyber attacks that lead to now you can control the United States weather and you're in Russia Right, because it's kind of like when people were thinking Hurricane Milton was man-made, you know what I mean. That could be some sort of attack, because they could then develop some crazy cat-six storm that wipes off a whole state just because of some political movement. But it could also be a good thing because it could bring profits to a country.
Speaker 1:Or you could prevent a hurricane as well. I mean by controlling the weather no-transcript.
Speaker 2:Hey, they're gonna overtake your weather net. Then your country is going to be kind of screwed yeah, I mean that's interesting, you know.
Speaker 1:I mean if you could control the weather and you could change the climate in, say, the Midwest, where we have a lot of wind power turbines and the wind stops. I mean, if you think about that from a hacking aspect, I mean I always come down to the security aspects of it, right, because of the business we're in cybersecurity. I always come down to the security aspects of it, right, because of the business we're in cybersecurity Right, if you could hack the weather and you could turn off wind in areas of the United States where all the turbines are, which are out in the Midwest New Mexico, colorado, you know all those states and you could, I mean, think about that. You could turn off the sunshine in the areas that the data centers use for solar to augment their power for those data centers. Crash them, yeah. And I mean, what are some other implications? Can you think of some other weather implications?
Speaker 4:You could just willy-nilly jack the temperature up to 200 degrees outside oh god, I didn't even think of that so or negative 100 degrees outside, or something like that you could fry people's brains.
Speaker 5:So think about I mean this gets into another political discussion, but there's already supposed to be such a thing called darpa, which is in in Alaska. Look it up.
Speaker 1:All right, on that note, we're going to end on that. We're going to dive right in to deep space colonization.
Speaker 5:That's a good one.
Speaker 1:So if humanity established permanent colonies I mean, we've been talking about this for years and years we talked originally about the moon and colonizing our moon, which is basically just a rock, we're talking about Mars. I mean, that's where Elon Musk has taken us If humanity established permanent colonies on other planets, how do you think society and culture would evolve differently from Earth?
Speaker 5:It's a whole different.
Speaker 1:Would we look up there? You know I'm thinking about taking a trip. I mean, it's just a two-hour flight.
Speaker 5:I mean you would change. There would be different colonization, there would be different structures of government, structures of people who are living the whole nine yards. It's really I mean I don't want to get in the movie but for the, I mean we talk about the people on earth looking up and going.
Speaker 1:You know I can't afford it, but I'd wish to go up there one day.
Speaker 5:They got it made yeah.
Speaker 1:But then you got the people that are up there. What are the psychological and social challenges that they're dealing with in deep space? I mean, think about that Completely.
Speaker 3:I mean, think about that Completely different environment we go from weather.
Speaker 1:All these weather. I mean, what is the weather up there?
Speaker 5:Negative 1,000 in the sunlight.
Speaker 2:you know, damien do you want to live up there? You know, that's when it gets to a crazy question, because then you're moving on. Different social groups might go to different places depending on what they believe in. Kind of like Jimmy was saying you, you know, you get in a hole, there's going to be different governments and stuff like that. I feel like it could be really interesting, because then you're getting like intergalactic oh, yeah, you know well, yeah, I mean who.
Speaker 1:Who is the government? Is it? Is it a who colonized it first? Well, where's the ai? Oh, is?
Speaker 2:is AI the government in that range? Who did it?
Speaker 1:first, I think there would be like a Space Force government, that is, maybe, you know, not just our country, but multiple countries that come together, and then there's one individual from each that sits on a board. Similar to politics our government, our Congress. You know you'd have all that structured, but it wouldn't be from one country.
Speaker 5:United Federation of Planets. What do you all think mean?
Speaker 2:it's an interesting thought because yeah, then in a way the original planet, so us as earth, we could still retain control of all these other planets and it would still be like a measured thing. But I mean, if some crazy stuff happened, you you have, you know, space Hitler, then then you're getting into some real interesting sauce there.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So what is the divide there in regards to inequality? I mean, you've got earthbound people that are still on earth and then you've got interplanetary citizens, if you will right, that are up there. You know, one's jealous of the other. You know, I don't know how that would, how that would play out, but would it lead to a new kind of inequality? Is, I guess, what I'm getting at?
Speaker 5:sure what if they find some other civilization or other race or something that lives on another planet and they align themselves with that and goes, I mean you could say that all day. I mean it's, it's a definitely a theory to think about that if you have that so I, I I task you with one question, damien what would make you leave earth?
Speaker 2:what would make me leave earth if we had a honestly, if we had an entire world leader that controlled every country. So take out the countries out of the picture, take out all of our separate governments. If we just had one leader and it became like a communism of a sort of deal, a communist deal, I'd be out of here, I'd be in Mars.
Speaker 1:There you go. What about you?
Speaker 5:JP Total cataclysm. What A total cataclysm. Okay.
Speaker 1:All right. For me it would just be adventure.
Speaker 5:That's true. I guess I could see that all right.
Speaker 1:So, staying on interplanetary topic, it's going to be our last topic of the day and we're going to drill right through it. Uh, we're going to talk about interplanetary internet, but first tim edge. Tim Edge, what's our last beer?
Speaker 4:All right guys. So our very last beer is the Carlsberg Pilsner. This one's for you Shoop, it's a Danish.
Speaker 1:Finally a decent freaking drink my gosh.
Speaker 4:So this is from the Carlsberg Danmark Brewer. Their quote on this beer is it was re-brewed for 2019. New Carlsberg Danish Pilsner.
Speaker 5:You don't like it, do you Jim? Oh, it's great, I like it. It's really awesome.
Speaker 4:With smooth, full mouthfeel and a perfect balance of bitterness and sweetness.
Speaker 1:The problem I'm having with it, though I was looking forward to this one. The problem I'm having with it, though I was looking forward to this one.
Speaker 2:The problem I'm having with it is I still got a little bit of sangria in the back of my mouth that won't go away, oh but sangria is great, we do a land shark, he's downing some land sharks over there Shout out to land sharks.
Speaker 1:What's with all the empty bottles in the back? When did you start, Mr Howe?
Speaker 4:He just recently turned 21.
Speaker 5:Oh, you're 21, yeah wow, I remember those days, I remember that time cool, let's I.
Speaker 1:So, uh, damien, how, why don't you go ahead and uh lead us into the next question? Uh tell us about isa cards or or scott. Well, if you don't know that, let's talk about scuzzy, go ahead and tell us about USA cards or or Scott. Well if you don't know that, let's talk about Scuzzy.
Speaker 5:Go ahead and tell us about Scuzzy cards um, never mind talk about talk about isa cards yes, these are legacy, these are legacy devices.
Speaker 2:So we're, we're killing you, man hey, I heard scuzzy and a plus, but that's about as far as it goes.
Speaker 1:It's all good, used to be used to be the king of the crop when it came to bandwidth. So, uh, we're gonna talk about interplanetary internet guys and we're gonna, we're gonna, and we're gonna finish this off. And then we're going to finish this off, and then we're going to hit you with some rapid-fire questions, mr Howell. So you better get ready. Actually, I'm going to let our special guest, jimmy, hit you with those questions and he's going to hit you with some questions too.
Speaker 4:What's that? He's also going to hit you with some questions.
Speaker 1:Oh crap. All right interplanetary internet so let's stay on the questions away. Let me see. I need to see him see what I'm kidding, it fell down.
Speaker 5:I'm sorry if the internet.
Speaker 1:This is a wonderful. I love this topic. This is so killer. If the internet expanded into space, right? How would that change communication between planets? Could it work in real time?
Speaker 2:uh, some brain juice I think honestly, yeah, it would work in real time because, kind of like you know, I mean, we've gotten to the point where we have fiber optic, right, fiber optic in itself is ungodly fast and we never thought we were going to get anything this fast. So, honestly, if we're talking about like an interplanetary internet, I think at some point or another we'll be able to just transfer internet over like straight up waves that can travel at the speed of light.
Speaker 1:And then we're talking about I don't know man, I think we're talking about places can communicate pretty quick so, using existing technology, I would see a series of satellites that are placed in low space, deep space and at different lengths, kind of like repeaters to eliminate attenuation, similar to our power poles on the streets.
Speaker 1:I mean, when you look up at a power pole, it's got a transformer on it that amplifies a signal, repeats it to the next pole, amplifies a signal, repeats it to the next pole. That way when your waveform gets smaller, it gets bigger every time it hits the next pole, amplifies the signal, repeats it to the next pole. That way, when your waveform gets smaller, it gets bigger every time it hits those transformers and then it attenuates and then it gets bigger again. So I see it, I mean using current technology. Obviously they're going to develop something new. We're going to be talking about fusion and all this stuff that's probably going to open up entire new worlds. But with existing technology I see layered satellites that can relay that. You'd have to have a thousand, probably several thousand, but you'd have to have them not just in one direction.
Speaker 5:The cost.
Speaker 1:To do that would be Line of sight. That's why I don't see it any any time in our lifetimes. But if damien's right and we could blast a signal from his house to that's, that's it's gotta, I don't know, but but go ahead.
Speaker 2:That's a good one, though, because, think about it, for, let's say, light, right, the speed of light. It takes a ray of light 1.26 seconds to come from earth to the moon, so when you're adding that no, that's off the head. Knowledge.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 2:But to your point, you would almost need like a repeater system or like a grid in the space, because if you want to reduce that time we're talking about just from here to the mood is going to be a second and a half right. So if you're talking, we're talking to another galaxy. You're talking. It could take 15, 20 minutes in real time for us to actually get that communication. But if you had a repeating system throughout that, then it could make it instantaneous. But to your point, the cost would be so ridiculous.
Speaker 1:So we're talking about a universal network here, right? We're talking about something that blasts entirely through space, which is kind of abnormal. I mean, it's just like your house. I mean you've got Internet all over the world, but you've got to bring it into your house from the street. You've got to pay a price for it, right, right. So we're blasting it, and there's all kinds of technological challenges that come with blasting it from one place and getting it all over and bouncing it Plus the cost.
Speaker 1:So would space colonies have their own separate Internet systems or would they be part of a universal network? Or what I see is having space colony Internets, right, that are localized, but connecting each one of those and bouncing them to the next colony so those could communicate. I mean, that's how the internet started back in the day. It started with libraries, municipalities, police stations, fire departments, all the necessary emergency response that we needed. So those were all connected first and it didn't come until we, you know right, we had a wise idea to go ahead and extend it, uh, past the government, past municipalities, to the, the, the everyday person in their home all right, so hear me out on this.
Speaker 4:This just coming from networking fundamentals, I could foresee them creating something and I'm just going to coin another phrase here plan p, l, p l l a n planetary local area network. So think of it, think of it like a normal land compared to a wan, but now you have multiple, multiple wans and all this kind of stuff. So if you're in abc, galaxy, um, your planet or whatever might have its own planetary network, but any kind of information, website, communication, whatever that is outside of your planet then leaves your planet goes to the next router, dns server, whatever for the other plan that's out there, but anything local stays inside your planet. Okay, you know, it's kind of like doing a dns check or whatever. You look to see if your server already knows what it is, and if it does, it just goes ahead and sends it out there, but if it doesn't, you get a 404 error. It reaches out to the internet and so forth.
Speaker 5:Planet not found.
Speaker 4:The planets will be able to have faster speeds in response with looking at things, but you're not sending all traffic in the entire world outside of the planet to request information. That's the only way that I could see it is separating the planets or galaxies, or whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 2:Fascinating. It's really interesting.
Speaker 4:You don't think we'd ever hit the ipv6 women oh, we'll be at like ipv30 or something like that by that time you know.
Speaker 1:It makes me wonder you know when, when we get to that point, you know just all the opportunities it's going to create for jobs to? I mean, you're going to have. It's kind of like you've got folks that go offshore now to do things in the middle of the ocean. You've got. You've got all these crazy jobs. I got a, you know, I got a. I got to head up to Mars. I got a. I'm hanging some. I'm hanging some access points. Uh, I'm putting in I'm putting up some poles.
Speaker 3:I gotta I gotta line of sight, I gotta line of sight wi-fi.
Speaker 1:You know I've got to get installed, so you know set up my quantum bridge yeah, yep, all right. So my last question before we get into the rapid firefire round and close out for today. And again, thank you guys for coming on. Jimmy, thank you for traveling seven hours to be in our studio, and Damian, I know it's been your lifelong quest to be on Nerds on Tap. Tell all your friends I appreciate you being here.
Speaker 2:I will. Some of them already know that are at DB.
Speaker 3:Are they going to listen?
Speaker 1:they gonna oh yeah, are you guys gonna go out partying and go? Hey man, you gotta listen to this.
Speaker 2:I'm on this show yeah, I'll be like hey guys, remember, copy, link, share. You know what you should do subscribe.
Speaker 1:You should call me while they're in there listening, so I can. So I can hop on the speakerphone in the car and go hey guys, yeah, he does have me on speed dial, you're, he's a special guy. Um, I'm kidding, I don't know why I said that uh so I bring everything back to cyber security, because you know, security is the main thing, that we should always be focused on privacy and security. How would cyber threats evolve in a world where the Internet spans across planets? Could space hacking become a real concern? Go?
Speaker 5:It could for the whole transmitting and receiving of the data between the planets. How is the mechanism getting between those two so they could hack that mechanism of the data that's being received to the other side? You?
Speaker 1:could cut off communication to the other planet, you know, and data communication that they might rely on and think about this in the future, because data communication is going to drive ai, it's going to drive robotics, it's going to drive updates, patches, all those things within that planet. If you can cut an entire planet off, I mean that's kind of like, uh, our interconnects that uh uh run under the ocean.
Speaker 5:It's about to say undersea, and what?
Speaker 1:happened recently with the chinese ship that scraped the anchor and cut the cable twice not once, but twice. I mean, think about that. That wasn't an accident now, and it was to cut the internet between countries so I mean I'm, I'm gonna say this.
Speaker 4:This is what I tell people that ask me about cyber security. Like for your question, awareness is if hackers want information, it doesn't matter what you put in place, they will find a way. All that really matters is what risks are you willing to take to benefit from whatever technology you're going to use? A lot of people tell me don't use these apps or don't use an Android phone or whatever, because the government's going to steal your information. And here I am thinking they probably already have all of my information. I'm like what does it really matter to me? I'm not doing anything illegal. I'm not. You know, I don't have anything to worry about. Uh, but you have those people that are legitimately worried that every time they use their credit card, you know that's collecting data that google is going to use against you.
Speaker 4:You know, whatever it might be. So it comes down to what kind of risks are you willing to accept to benefit from whatever you're trying to achieve? So as long as things will be digital, there will always be a risk associated with absolutely yeah, as long as we're interconnected, there's always going to be a bad actor.
Speaker 1:Okay, all right. I mean all right, go ahead, you got something to say?
Speaker 2:I just, I was just thinking that whole topic just led me on like you're almost getting to the point where that's like a new type of terrorist attack, almost because, think of it, if a planet is relying on technology to make it habitable because a lot of these planets aren't, a lot of these planets are inhabitable to most people if you're relying on technology to keep all these people alive and keep them able to live on this planet, and someone hacks in and takes their communications and they're able to hack all their systems that control everything that make it a livable planet, it's going to be crazy.
Speaker 4:They can kill everybody.
Speaker 2:They can straight up.
Speaker 1:So so that that you love that topic right, because it was a replication of your, your, your exotic dream you had.
Speaker 2:I don't know. I don't know if the fragments of aligned in that field.
Speaker 1:I'm just picturing you riding on a rocket traveling through space, you know not, on the in the inside of a rocket hanging on to a rocket traveling through space and hanging.
Speaker 5:Hanging access points like slim pickings in the movie you know uh, all right.
Speaker 1:So, ladies and gentlemen, we, uh, we, really appreciate it. We are going to conclude today's show, uh, with our rapid fire questions. I have not heard these questions yet. Normally I do. I'm a little nervous about this. Apparently, our special guest, j guest, jimmy Guest, wrote some rapid-fire questions for both me and Damien. Go ahead, jimmy.
Speaker 5:Mr Shoup, if you could control one device with just your thoughts, what would it be?
Speaker 1:One device with just my thoughts. What would it be? Yes, go, just my thoughts. What would it be, yes, go. Uh well, honestly, the device I use the most every single day, throughout the day, is my phone. So if I could control my phone with just my thoughts, I wouldn't I would never have to remove it from my pocket. Damien Good answer Is that for Damien too? Nope, nope.
Speaker 5:Uh-oh, I have some more for Mr Howell.
Speaker 1:Are you ready?
Speaker 5:You should ask him about his exotic dream, Mr Howell would you rather step on one giant yard rake once or an endless field of tiny rakes?
Speaker 1:Oh, my God, I can't believe.
Speaker 2:You just asked that question. So to to my experience, I don't listen. Guys. If it's a smaller rake we're talking it might not hit my face because I I'm a bit. I'm a bit taller and, due to the previous Nerds on Tap delays, I think that Tim would even appreciate if it was a smaller rake, just because of my face.
Speaker 3:So what are you telling our?
Speaker 1:audience.
Speaker 3:Why were there?
Speaker 1:delays.
Speaker 2:So, guys, if you're not aware, I got smacked in the face by a rake and it blew an abscess in my face and I had pus filling up into my eye, oh god so yes, he sent pictures you just, you just put him on the spot on air, and now it's gonna be in this, but we're not done.
Speaker 1:Ladies and gentlemen, are you, are you okay with this day, man? Because I'm not.
Speaker 5:I don't come on the show to embarrass more questions. Mr shoop, what's one superpower you love to unlock through genetic modification?
Speaker 1:what one superpower I love to you would love to unlock through genetic modification Shoot. I mean, who wouldn't want? Oh my God, I'd want to leap a tall building. That's a good answer. I mean, who wouldn't want to? No, I'd want to fly. You want to fly. I'd want to be able to fly Like Superman. I'd want to be able to fly down the Lakeland without having to hop on an airplane. There you go.
Speaker 5:So, keeping with that, mr Howe, on our topics that we've been, if yard rakes were sentient and seeking revenge, what's the first thing you'd say? To negotiate peace.
Speaker 2:First thing I would say to negotiate peace, there would be no negotiation.
Speaker 1:I would pull a chainsaw out and do the same thing they did to me oh my goodness, very interesting well you're hitting him with a lot of rake questions, that's I don't know how I feel about that, damien, I mean mr ship, if weather control tech was real, what's one climate rule you would enforce globally? I'd stop hurricanes in the southeast because that's where I live and every few years something happens to my house.
Speaker 5:All right, that's a good answer I like that. So, mr Howell, this is actually a serious one. Okay, back on the same topic. Would you rather step on a yard rake once a year, god, but never know when, all right.
Speaker 2:Or once a day, but always at 3 pm go um, most definitely once a year, I just don't know when yeah, if you did it every day at 3 pm, that would be like what's the gopher movie Caddyshack?
Speaker 1:No, not Caddyshack. Which one Groundhog Day. Groundhog Day it's not a gopher Caddyshack.
Speaker 5:Same actor, Bill Murray. Hey, I make up my own words. Got it All right, so are we ready for the next one? All right, let's go. If space food became a thing on Earth, what futuristic meal would you want to try?
Speaker 1:Well, when I was a child we took our. I lived in Maryland, we took our field trips to the Smithsonian and I always loved the space, air and Space Museum. We would have been friends. Yeah, space, space and I always came home with a bag of space ice cream space ice cream.
Speaker 5:Yes, that would happen at our museum here in tampa, which was called the museum of science industry. Very good answer. All right, mr damien, quick, quick, quick question, but I I didn't actually like it.
Speaker 1:It was good, but I always made improvements.
Speaker 5:All right, damien. Back to back to the topic here. Hannah, right ready if you had to design an anti-yard rake defense system oh my god. What's your first invention, sir?
Speaker 2:go ahead so I'm gonna make shoes that actually don't utilize like a straight, solid sole. Like most shoes, I'm gonna use one that has like, uh, interconnected like toes. So if I step, I step, I step between the yard rake and then I completely avoid it. That would be my defense system. Is that I just very good answer.
Speaker 5:Now, when could you have that? Could you have that? Uh, you know, patented and out very soon, or so the next episode you won't miss because of that right yeah, 3d printing, it got it, so I got all right. More rapid fire questions. Mr shoop, would you rather live in a world where no one could lie, or would you where you can hear everyone's thoughts?
Speaker 1:oh, that's a tough one. That's like that mel gibson movie where you heard what women want. You know every movie, don't you? I do ever I mean, I think it would be where no one could lie. Um, honestly, because I I think about it. I'm sure I would love to hear everybody's thoughts, but I a I think it would drive me crazy because that would override and it would crowd your brain because you're going to hear them even when you don't want to hear them.
Speaker 1:See, there's no, no privacy. No, you know, no solidarity. Um, plus, you're going to hear things you don't want to freaking hear and it can ruin the relationship. Second, lies I can't stand a liar. Right, can't stand a liar, uh, can't. There's two things I don't like in life thieves and liars, and I don't know which one I like worse, but I hate both of them so we're going to answer movie liar liar with jim carrey and not what women want with mel gibson.
Speaker 4:With Mel Gibson.
Speaker 1:Alrighty, then.
Speaker 5:Alright, so this is for both of you. Alrighty then. Alrighty then Alright, so this is for both of you, and it doesn't involve yard rakes. If robots could replace one chore for you permanently, which one are you giving up first? Raking a yard, mr Howe.
Speaker 2:Wiping at counters, breaking a yard, mr Howe.
Speaker 5:Wiping at counters. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2:I hate wiping counters. Fun fact, mr Shoop.
Speaker 1:Oh, say it again.
Speaker 5:What's the question? If robots could replace one chore for you permanently, which one are you giving up first? Which chore are you giving up first? If robots could replace one chore for you permanently, which one are you giving up first? Which chore are you giving up first if robots can replace them all?
Speaker 1:in yard rakes are taken yeah, no, that's I would say. You know what I know? Autonomous cars are coming, oh, they're coming. But if robots came before autonomous cars, I would want a robot to drive my car for me and go for me around.
Speaker 5:Good answer.
Speaker 1:So that's all. Autonomous cars already actually exist and actually, if you watched silicon valley, in one of the episode one of the episodes where he, the autonomous car, drives him onto a ship- right reroutes his gps, drives him onto a ship, into a storage container and takes him to an island right waymu has those cars now too, but that's another.
Speaker 5:It was so funny so that's it.
Speaker 1:If you haven't watched that damien tune in, it's from years ago but it's still on valley.
Speaker 4:It's relevant, it's such a good show.
Speaker 1:It's called silicon valley, say less. I'll check it out. All right, ladies and gentlemen, we conclude another episode of nerds on tap. I want to thank our guest, damian how, for joining us virtually, uh, through the thing we call the internet. Uh, he joined us on the line if you haven't watched the internship, you know what that means. And our special guest who popped into our studio he actually drove up here, I think, seven hours to come visit us. Mr jimmy, guest and uh, tune in to the next episode of nerds on tap, where we'll be talking about something fascinating regarding entrepreneurship, business and a good fusion of technology. So cheers, cheers cheers, cheers.
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