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Eating Wild
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Episode 67: Top Dog vs. Karen
Join us on an exciting episode of the Eating Wild Podcast as we catch up on the latest fishing trips and hear about Lu's unexpected eviction from the Georgian Bay trailer park by park manager Karen. Plus, find out what happened to the salmon poachers and how CJ discovered his new love for casting spoons with the Best Fisherman in the MMA for salmon.
Don't miss out on the thrilling adventures of Lou and Antonio as they reel in doubleheader chinook salmon on Lake Ontario with their good friend team Garmin Jason Neglia aka the Salmon Whisperer!
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Speaker 2:Well, folks, welcome back to another beautiful day and another beautiful episode of the Eating Well Podcast. Smash Muleka here, joined by Louis Top Dog Pereira and Showtime Christopher Johnson Boys. What a beautiful. I don't know. Is it fall? I don't know. It feels like summer to me, lou, I don't know what to tell you.
Speaker 5:Yeah, it's alright, I guess, oh boy, what's your problem? What's your problem, man? I've had a bad week, man, but you know what, I'm glad I'm here. I'm glad I'm here because it's taken my brain off the week I've had. Let me tell you.
Speaker 1:We're here for you, lou. We can be your therapist where you can lean on us. If you have anything you want to get off your chest, we're here. Man, that's what the Foreskins do.
Speaker 2:I guess we're going to open the show with hey Lou. What's happening, brother? What's?
Speaker 5:going on. You guys really want me to share Because it's a bit personal.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, when you're in a bad mood, we always need to hear what's going on.
Speaker 5:I mean Lou's a jerk, right? Yeah, that's true. I have a reputation to keep, I guess. Well, listen, I don't want this to go on forever, but I'm going to keep it as quick as possible. We have our family trailer at a park out in Victoria Harbor. I don't know if I should name the name of the actual park, but it rhymes with Smark Bridge or something Sounds. Yeah, yeah, right. And this park has changed over the years, because when I first got there, we were allowed to put our boats in the river Right, and for guys like us, that's a big deal, right.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5:Well, you can't do that anymore. Can't do it anymore. The water levels got so low they pulled out the docks and then they told us in an email saying you guys are not allowed to bring your boats to the park, which is crazy. And that was over a year ago. And Lou being Lou, I don't listen too.
Speaker 1:well, right, oh no, oh boy, I'm excited. Is it bad that I'm excited?
Speaker 5:But you know what? There's a couple other guys in the park that we don't abuse it. We just bring our boats there, we launch them at the public marina and we bring our boats into the river for a little bit, for the day, and we fish. In the morning come back, you have a bite to eat at your campground and you want to go back out. You don't want to have to pull out your boat again, right, right. So the park manager came up to me last weekend and she's like Lewis. I told you you're not allowed to have the boat in the river. This is probably the fifth time that I've approached you about this and I was in my trailer. She knocked on my door in my trailer. Okay, I'm in my Mutandi having a beer and she comes up to me.
Speaker 1:Right, what is this? Sorry, I'm mungicake.
Speaker 2:Come on, siege Mutandi man your underwear. Are you nuts? You haven't hung around this long enough, jeez.
Speaker 1:So you're tidy whiteys. Okay, carry on.
Speaker 5:I was in my little shorts, okay.
Speaker 3:Oh boy, they're beautiful.
Speaker 5:I was in my jorts. And so she comes up to my trailer and she's giving me shit. And I had enough, man. I'm like listen, moody, I'm not taking my boat out. I paid a lot of money to be here and what are you going to do about it? She's like well, we're going to have to kick you out if you don't follow the rules. And it was just a bad day. I had a bad moment. I'm like you know what? I don't care. Write up the papers, send them to me. Ciao, close the door. I close the door. My wife was standing right there and she looked at me. She's like you are an idiot.
Speaker 2:Oh, man, I'm laughing my head off because when this actually happened, Siege, I might have called Lou right after it happened.
Speaker 5:It was just I don't know if it was a freak accident but when I called Lou, you called me like 20 minutes later and I was losing it.
Speaker 2:I was in tears. I was laughing because I could picture Lou in his moots answering the door. I said what do you want? You're going to have to move your boats. Send me the papers and slam in the door on her face.
Speaker 1:I could actually see the whole thing happen. I can actually see the whole thing happen. I can see it too, and so that kind of sounds like a Karen, first of all. Second of all, what was so when you're in the river? So there was docks there before, so they pulled out the docks and then are the cleats still there to tie up your boat.
Speaker 5:They've been there for the last three years and that's what we used to use. But this year, becausearen started oh no, she's pretty uh, by the book. She even made the manager, the um, the caretaker of the park, remove all the hooks, jesus. So we, we were literally tying off to like these posts that were underneath the docks.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what is like, what's her issue with it? Like, I mean, is it blocking the river? Like, what is her qualms with it?
Speaker 5:They told me that because there aren't any docks there for boats, that the park does not have insurance for boats being up against their docks or up against their property. Oh my God, and a lot of people are pissed. Now there's probably 15 sea-dos at our resort and everyone's parked in the water because the park doesn't own the water. So just past the beach everyone has these see-do lifts that they walk out there themselves. They park them in there. Yeah and uh, I've talked to a lot of neighbors and everyone's pretty upset because, look, we paid a lot of money to be out in georgian bay, right, yeah, yeah and, and you know what's the point if you can't enjoy the water?
Speaker 2:I've been there, siege, just to just to paint a picture for the listeners. So where Louis's boat, where he actually comes into the river, is probably I don't know maybe a two-minute walk from the river to his camp, but on the way, louis, obviously, louis being Louis and his family and Joka and all the boys, he knows everybody. So while you're walking to the river you're saying, hey, louisis, what are you going out for today? So, like the, the park, the community there is amazing and I even told hook set I'm like hook set I can see you parking a trailer right next to luige and your uncle and manny muskie. You know the guys siege, we fished with these guys growing up. So the community, it's a great community, but for boaters. So guys like Tony, your buddy, tony, who I went out, I got the pleasure of going out with you fishing with If there's no boat access, I can't even see a guy like that staying in the park. You know what I mean. Like, like, what's the point?
Speaker 5:It's the extra money. It's the extra money that that he put out last year or the year before, actually, in paying for a slip, a slip at a different property. He's paying like I don't know if it's $1,000 or $1,200 a year, just to park his boat, but there's no power, so charging batteries is a pain in the ass. He's got to pull him out of his boat and it's far. He's got to hop in his car, take all the skier to the boat. It's not like you can just walk to your boat anymore, buddy. That defeats the whole purpose.
Speaker 1:That's crazy man. These.
Speaker 2:Karens. I mean, it's getting at a hand siege, like even this dock beef thing, and I know we fished with Taro and we had a couple experiences ourselves with these Karens. But, jesus man, it seems like people are just taking things to another level. I don't understand that. River louise yes, okay, you showed me where the water level used to be it is. It's like a three foot four feet even difference. So I get it. You know the water level. It's really low. It's low, but you are not. You are not endangering anything at all by being there, and you still take your boat out of the water when you leave the park and you park it at the. So I don't even understand. Oh, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:It doesn't even make sense. You're not leaving. It's not like he's leaving. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 4:When you're done for the weekend.
Speaker 1:When you're done for the weekend, you're not leaving in the river all week, and you know.
Speaker 5:I'm paying for storage somewhere else where I keep my boat when I'm away from the park.
Speaker 2:Oh man, I think it's time to pack up. Luis, send you the papers, ciao.
Speaker 5:I got no choice now Smash.
Speaker 1:So all your family is there as well. So your father has a trailer there.
Speaker 5:Yeah, this is the bad part, right, my dad is right next door to me. He's in the site right next door. Manny musky is right behind me.
Speaker 2:Oh no, and you spent a bit of dough there. Your place is beautiful. I'm sure you did a bit of concrete around the patio stones.
Speaker 5:I put in a nice shed.
Speaker 2:Portuguese right, it's beautiful. I'm surprised it's not made out of micro cement. It's beautiful in there.
Speaker 1:So, other than that, on the gba trip, did you manage to go fishing? Were you popping Like, were you? You know what I did.
Speaker 5:My dad and I and Manny Muskie, we went out and it was like 34 degrees, it's pure sun just blaring down and nothing was biting until I. I had enough and I said, let's, let's downsize, let's do a little finesse, smart, and I started throwing the hair jig and then it was just lights out. Yeah, I was on fire.
Speaker 1:That's so good to have when they're, when they're not chasing baits like a reaction baits and everything to have that. That you know that nice and slow presentation.
Speaker 5:No, that's cool man, at least you pop and I hope and I hope John's listening my buddy John, who got me into the hair jig, um, he, he got me some few techniques, he, he, uh. He does a couple of bass tournaments a year stick young guy but I learned a lot from him. But I forgot to mention I don't know if I told this to you guys but when I went out that same day that moody kick basically kicked me out of the park so I had left my boat out in the river. Obviously that's why she came over. So my kids and my wife and I, we went out for a little boot for the afternoon. Nice packed up a lunch, some drinks, drinks and a beautiful island in Georgian Bay called Beausoleil Island. You guys got to check this out. All these yachts they park up against Beausoleil Island. I heard about it.
Speaker 2:It's basically like Atlanta's paradise when you're down at the marina and all these beautiful yachts and boats are all parked there and it's like a city over there right exactly, exactly.
Speaker 5:so we, we boot across the lake, we get over there, um, we do some fishing, we hang out for a bit, uh, have lunch and I'm like you know what, I haven't been this far back around this bay. Let let's go check it out. So I turn around this corner Again, another section of a beautiful calm bay and all these yachts tied up together and a beautiful patch of weeds, these pines are sticking out of the water and I'm like, okay, I got Shavi's eyes light up, my eyes light up, and we start throwing chatterbaits and spinnerbaits.
Speaker 5:And then, all of a sudden, this boat starts darting towards us, oh boy. And I'm like, oh, that looks like OPP. Oh boy, or a ministry boat. And I'm like, well, you know, I'm here with my kids, I'm not doing anything wrong, I'm fine. And then I remember, uh oh, where's my fishing license? I start sweating. Oh boy, where's my wallet? I start sweating.
Speaker 5:This guy pulls up hey, how, you doing Good, are you fishing? I'm like, yep, any fish in the boat? Nope, he's like are you sure? Do I need to check your live wells? Nope, no, sir, no fish in the boat. He's like, okay, give me your fishing license and your boating license please. I'm like, okay, and I'm like you know what? I made a huge mistake because I came out here and I forgot my wallet in my trailer. I'm just out in Victoria Harbor, at the bay. He's like, oh, that's not good. He's like, well, a lot of guys have their, their IDs on their phones. I'm like, oh, yeah, wait a sec, let me check. So I'm, of course I've.
Speaker 5:How many times we go on our trips up North and and. But right before our trips a lot of us do this we take pictures of all our cards and we keep it in our phone, because we won't we're not walking the bush with our wallets, you know we're not getting on the lake with our wallets, but at least we have it. Well, I haven't done that in a while, so I can't find the pictures. Oh no, and I'm looking through my emails. I'm checking my work email, my personal emails. I don't know why we all have like four personal emails anymore, but anyways, I can't find it.
Speaker 5:And he's looking at me. He's like buddy, this is taking a long time, but you should have your stuff with you. I'm like look man, I'm really sorry. You can give me a ticket. I deserve it, but I'm telling you the truth. I have my ID. He's like what's your name? And, as I'm still talking to him, I finally pull up a receipt on my phone of the latest license. So he takes the email, he calls it in and he's verifying everything. This guy's no joke Comes back from his boat and this is don't forget, all those yachts are there, right, and they're all staring at me and here's a little fishing boat of all these yachts.
Speaker 1:It's so cliche man. Okay, sorry, I'm ready to get fired up, but go ahead.
Speaker 5:But of course I proved them right. Right, pick up the fishermen, because they're always screwing up. And here's Top Dog from Meeting Wild, still screwing up, right. So whatever he pulls up my file, he sees that I have my updated fishing license. I'm good. But he's like look man, we don't have a way to check out your boater's license. And I'll be honest with you, I'm a park ranger, I'm not the opp. The opp is on this lake today. So if they catch you, I guarantee you you will get a ticket. I I'm like say no more, I'll pack it up, I'll go straight to shore, get all the paperwork and make sure I have everything on me.
Speaker 1:So he couldn't do anything without. The OPP is for your boater's license. He was only checking fishing license.
Speaker 5:No, he wanted. He said he could have given me a ticket for not having my boater's license. Oh, okay, he could have given me a ticket for not having the boater's license and I was okay for my fishing license because he was able to find out that I was registered.
Speaker 1:CJ. I don't think I've heard Was Lou the jerk coming out.
Speaker 5:Yeah, go ahead, cj. No, no, no, I already had my moment with.
Speaker 1:Moody, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:What were you saying? I was gonna say I don't even think I remember the last time, because we've got pulled over all the time on skugog and it's always the same thing. You know, check the live walls, checking fishing license, and you know, they even went as far as this spring with me and dan, uh, checking our flashlight battery, like that's how, how it was. But nobody has ever asked us for our boating license. And I wonder if that is just an OPP thing. I don't know, but you know I would probably say Siege, I'm the worst out of all of us where finding stuff on my phone, because I never take my wallet on the boat, only because I'm afraid that I'm going to drop it into the lake, just like my cell phone half of the time. So Lou brings up a really good point. Man for people listening.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's good for our listeners. And there's another thing that they always started asking us was for the serial number on the boat. Yeah, you got to pay for that, yeah, yeah. So it's like you're in Ontario would be ON, and then the numbers. After that we had a guy asking us that to have proof of that thing, and I'm like, oh, man, it's a separate paper.
Speaker 2:It's a separate paper. It's called the. It's the oh God, I can't remember what it's called, but it's basically your. It's like a VIN number for the boat that they want to verify.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you know I don't know if it's a money grab or what, but you got to pay for it. Every single year you get this paper and you got to show it to them when they pull you over to verify that ontario number on the side of your boat, which well, you know, maybe we should just get tattoos of our uh, you know, our license number and all that stuff.
Speaker 1:We're out there long enough and just be like, get them to scan our wrist, you know what I I mean, just get the ink updated every year. Yeah, exactly. Well, that's good. I shouldn't say that's awesome, but it's good for our listeners to know. Lou, and I'm sure your kids are probably thinking, is dad going to jail here? What's happening?
Speaker 5:My wife was so mad at me. She's like can you believe this? You, of all people, you don't have your license. Oh, no way, oh boy.
Speaker 2:Well, I can tell you, boys, man, I know it sounds like Lou had quite the week, but we did have a couple highlights together, Lou and I and Siege and I Listen, man, it's early September now, coming close to mid-September should say by the time people are listening to this, and the weather pattern has been crazy and we've been talking to a lot of people, a lot of guests and a lot of friends out on the water. And I got to ask you, lou, when you went to Georgian Bay this past week you mentioned it was 30 degrees outside the pattern for those smallies were you finding them where you think you'd find them this time of year, or did you feel that they're in the same spot you?
Speaker 5:Oh they were. I'll be honest, the big ones were really shallow water. I don't know if you and I went to that spot where a lot of rocks right on top of the water, man, and it was like one foot of water. We hit a couple islands this weekend and all the large smallies were off the rocks. Everything else, five fish below five feet of water, even my Ned Rig spots nothing, nothing, nothing. Nothing was working. They were just off. But I think these larger smallies were sunbathing. They weren't really hungry, but when they see that hair jig it probably looks like a leech and boom.
Speaker 1:Wow, yeah, you know what Hair jigs. I was talking to a guy because I picked up for our listeners that Lou's into hair jigs so much he's got a custom Chris Johnson rod with his name on it coming hair jig rod and a lot of guys are saying not just a leech. A lot of them are saying not just a leech. A lot of them saying it kind of resembles like bugs, like a little bit of a bug coming through the water, and I can't wait to try it myself.
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Speaker 2:Welcome back, folks, Welcome back. I'm joined by Louis Topdog Pereira. Showtime Johnson, Eden Wilde Podcast. Last week, folks, it was amazing because we had a roundtable. I don't know if everyone heard last week's episode of the Foreskins Hookset's back, Top Dog's back. We had a crazy summer Showtime. We had a roundtable, and just paint this picture of the studio. You had Moose, Cody Kovacek and the Four Skins, Cigars, darts. We were talking, we were getting fired up. Who walks in through the door? Mr Jay Duch, King Zank walks in and we start talking salmon fishing and Cody came down with his boat and he came here on a portion siege. And you were here to do that we do. We recorded the podcast with the four skins and he came and he says you know, are we going fishing or what? This is like eight o'clock at night and I'm like, what do you mean? Are we going fishing?
Speaker 5:He's like yeah, I was surprised to see a boat on on the driveway of GCC.
Speaker 2:He just shows up with a boat and listen, man, we went out, we went out together and we casted in the dark glowing spoons and boy, there's a video of you on Instagram, If anyone hasn't seen it yet. I've never heard you even swear like that in my life.
Speaker 5:But you were pretty mouthy in that way, you were absolutely shocked. Okay, first of all, this should be a podcast for all ages but not with Steve.
Speaker 1:I got carried away. And when I talked to Cody and he mentioned he wanted to go for salmon, and I'm thinking you know we're going to go out really deep and we're going to, we're trolling. I don't you know, going to, we're trolling, I don't you know what I like trolling, um, um. But when he said we're going to be casting in about 10 feet of water with spoons, I'm like say less, and uh, I take back to all of our listeners I've chirped salmon for years.
Speaker 1:I've, I've, I've never gotten me and me and tone and tone, and you and you know, we're always besides Tone, we're always, you know, muskie, pike, largies, smallies, walters and now even Crappy. But yeah, I never apologize. And my wife, if she's hearing this now, she's like you're apologizing to fishermen and not me. You know that's a long story, a different podcast. But apologizing to fishermen and not me, you know that's a long story, a different podcast. But uh, but yeah, man, and uh, we get out there and we're casting and I thought these guys were nuts tones, all excited for me and we put on these, uh, we put on these spoons and these guys fluid, they're taking flashlights to them and they look up at me and grinning, said if it doesn't glow, it doesn't go.
Speaker 3:I'm like what's happening?
Speaker 1:right now. Man, I learned that line a few days ago. I never heard that line before and I'm like, these guys are like bamboozling me. You know what I mean. It's just like we get our flashlights out, we get them all. And, mind you, I haven't fished in the dark since I was a kid. My dad used to take me out on northern Ontario lakes and we would. We would fish when it's dark, but Lake Ontario is an ocean and we're fishing eight feet of water and I am definitely hooked, like I mean, when these, as Tone calls them, chin dogs, is that what you call them?
Speaker 2:yeah, man, they're shin dogs, chinooks. And these shin dogs, these shin dogs, remember for the people listening, these are stagers. So what that means is and these shindogs, remember for the people listening, these are stagers. So what that means is these fish are coming in, they're waiting for the next rain and they're going to be cruising through to their, basically to their deathbeds. Unfortunately, they're all going in, they're going to spawn, they're going to reproduce and unfortunately, they don't make their way back to the river. That's a circle of a life for a salmon. Um, so we, these stage, your fish are, are sieged, and again, this is, this was the, the learning curve that you got to to, yes, to basically learn. Speaking to jay, dutch, and and um, you know cody, who's been been doing this also for years, is one. The fish, their jaws and their and their gums are starting to reside. Their mouths are like hard, hard wood.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what did they call that? They called it dog mouth or something. Yeah, it was like dog mouth.
Speaker 2:So basically, in you, lesige, you missed all five of your fish. You hooked in the five fish, you fought them for about five minutes before they came off and it's nothing that you did wrong. Like Cody and Jay Dukes said, it's just these fish. When they're staging, they're going through, they're pissed off. They're not eating your lure because they're hungry, they're eating their lure because, they're aggressive, they're pissed off, they whatever comes.
Speaker 2:It's like bass when they're on their beds. You know you can. People you see casting in front of these fish while they're spawning. They shouldn't be doing that, but they're not going to smash your blind because they're hungry, it's because they're protecting their nest.
Speaker 1:The fight, the fight was unreal and I finally had a really good one pinned. And then what happens? It gets hooked up on. What was it? Tony was a big, it was a sailing boat.
Speaker 2:You, they, they anchor down and then they have the sailboats, they, they, they use them for their anchor lines and basically, when they, they'll tie up when they're coming into 10 feet of water and there's not many of them around, because they've been around probably for who knows how many years. So the fact that your fish gets hooked up into one of those, it was like it's like finding a pebble on a beach. It was so rare and, like you know, cody and especially Jay, they were so upset that you didn't get to land that fish. But I mean, you fought it for quite a while.
Speaker 1:I fought it for so long and just to be on a spinning reel you know what I mean. And hearing that drag go, I get salmon. And I never knew, like I don't. I didn't know that they're going to die. I didn't know that they're going their purpose. We're used to fishing fish that you know. They die from old age, they die from, you know, other fish or something like that. The fact that they're only around like three, four years and they're going to it boggled my mind, and I was. I had so much fun, I had so much. I may have swore a little bit too much.
Speaker 2:We fast forward a couple of days and I get a call from Jay and he's like a new pot of fish just came in. I'm like what are you talking about? Because we went a week ago. And he's like a new pot of fish come in. We're going to go troll. He's like these fish are coming in.
Speaker 2:So again, we had about 10,000 fish go over the ladder that's been counted at Bowmanville. So imagine what poor credit and Bronte and all these rivers that are probably bigger river systems than Bowmanville. And Jay's like call Hookset, call Top Dog, get him over here, we're going to go for a couple hours. Call up Hookset, he was busy. He's like I can't make it just like that. Call Lou. He's like see you in nine minutes, and I'm not even kidding you, nine minutes.
Speaker 2:This guy lives away from the launch at Lakefront Promenade. Lou shows up and basically we jump on the SS dutch, we literally Siege, we come out of the marina and it wasn't even more of a two-minute boat ride. We're in 60 feet of water. And again, this was new for Luis. Again, trolling for me isn't the thing. I'm more getting them in the rivers with my, my center pin reel. So again, new for me as well. I've done it before, but not consistently enough to say that I I know what I'm doing out there, cause, frankly, Lou will tell you, I don't even know how to net a fish out in that fucking in the.
Speaker 4:There's another story.
Speaker 3:Oh, Jesus Christ, do Well.
Speaker 2:I'll tell you what happened. We get out to six feet of water. Jay Duce brings out his. He calls it cardina. If anyone knows your European, cardina means meat. He makes his own meat rigs, okay. So he's got these herring strips that he cures himself, ties them up, marinates, marinates them he's got. He drops these down on the Scotty and I'm I don't know, within 15 minutes or so, doubleheader, boom, boom mean low fish, fish we were popping and lose fish. You can tell was a monster because it was like he fought it for a good 15, 20 minutes and it was peeling, it was peeling, it was peeling.
Speaker 5:It felt like we were fishing back in Florida. Exactly it felt like to me. We're in t-shirts and and the drag is just going.
Speaker 2:Just popping oh, it was popping, it was awesome. And he brings in this male. So the female I brought in, let's say it was maybe 10 or 15 pounds. His male was in the 20s for sure, and the fish are dark. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:These are staging fish.
Speaker 2:They look gnarly, I noticed they smell really bad too they stink their gums are reciting you see their teeth look like their barracudas, you know, because salmon got some chompers, man, they're dogs, yeah. So you know they're not the best looking fish, but man, they put up a fight because, yeah, they're pissed off, man, they're ready to go. So we got a call from, we got a text from Jay today, lewis and I hey, another bunch of fish is coming in. So what's happening in again? I'm not a marine biologist but I'm thinking this weather pattern Again we haven't seen rain. In what? Two weeks, three weeks, we haven't seen rain. But when we did have rain, it was insane. We had 50, I think it was like 50 millimeters in like two hours. At one point People were having floods and this and that. So I'm thinking the whole system is all screwed up, because 10,000 fish have already gone through Bowmanville, probably double that going through Credit River. And you know, bronte, we're popping siege. That night we were casting. Everywhere you look, there was fish rolling everywhere Splash, splash, splash.
Speaker 1:Cody landed a nice one, it was a hen right.
Speaker 2:Tone yeah, he got a nice hen.
Speaker 1:Yeah, probably about 15, 20 pounds at least, and then Jay had a good one on and it cleared water. I lost two. I lost two.
Speaker 2:They were everywhere. And then you know, lewis and I were going out. Jay has the panoptics. Holy smokes, there was puddles and puddles of fish. We were traveling and every minute you would look and there was fish coming in on this panoptics it was crazy.
Speaker 5:Jay knows his electronics. I mean, there's a reason why Garmin has him sponsored, right, like this guy knows how to use his machines. And he was showing us how, when the fish come through the screen, like what it means from the bow to the stern and the depth and everything from the speed, temperature, depth and presentation. Oh, this guy's got it locked down like a scientist. He's a scientist.
Speaker 2:He had that little thing that looked like a probe that he would hook up to his rigger.
Speaker 5:That actually gave you real temperature down below the way your ball is actually cruising, because our transducers are up so high on our boats right, and he's fishing 50 feet down, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60 feet down and that temperature down there is going to be different than the temperature up here. Yeah, so he's dialed it in so much that he needs to know what that temperature and water speed is down there, not up high. Not up high Because it's different.
Speaker 2:And Siege we're talking tournament fishing Like Jay and those boys him and his buddy Anthony and his brother Brian. Those guys like the stories he was telling us from raccoons taking over his boat and damaging his electronic.
Speaker 5:Oh, that was hilarious man.
Speaker 2:You should hear it. Like we got to get Jay on, because that's a pod in itself. We'll let him share that story.
Speaker 1:I want to hear the net story. I'm curious about the net story.
Speaker 2:Another doubleheader goes off and Jay was controlling the boat at one point because me and Luis were fighting the fish. You know Jay's like, hey, you guys, you wanted us to catch the fish and I ended up losing my fish. Luis is still hooked up, so Jay's on the wheel. I said, don't worry, I'm going to net the fish, so I bring the net over to Lou. And you got to remember one thing that Jay does, that nobody else does when they're fishing and this is his own technique is he runs an eight foot lead. So because he has an eight foot lead, by the time your line comes up and Jay will tell you he's the only guy that does this, because most people don't like running these leagues.
Speaker 5:They think he's crazy. I don't know if this segment is going to be cut out. No, no, no.
Speaker 2:Jay is the one that told me that people think he's crazy. He tells everybody what he does and they think he's crazy. No, no, and listen if Jay, if we have a problem with this, I'll ask Jay we cut it out.
Speaker 5:We'll ask him before.
Speaker 2:I remember him telling me that he runs an eight-foot lead during tournaments because he's a scientist. The guy's a mad scientist. People think he's crazy Even with his meat rigs, Luigi, like people think he's crazy in the way he runs these rigs.
Speaker 5:Do you remember why he runs an eight-foot lead, do you I?
Speaker 2:think it was the circular.
Speaker 5:There was a circular motion so that bait will roll slower. The further it is from the line, the further the lead is that bait will turn much slower than if it's tight, and he also mentioned Simon Berth, remember he mentioned that's a Simon thing as well.
Speaker 2:Simon runs these massive leads when he's fishing Walters that nobody else usually does, and it's because of the presentation of that bait while it's cruising. So picture this Luis has this fish on. He's already.
Speaker 5:I got tired of Sorry to interrupt. Tony, I got tired of fighting that fish. I got noodle arms and I couldn't do this for 20 minutes again. I was tired. I go, jay, you haven't felt the rod all day, all night here take this. So he's fighting the fish, he's bringing it in, and then Tone grabs the net and Jay's got this cool setup that I've never seen before, where he has this clip on I don't even see. This is terrible, because I don't know what it's called. What's the clip the.
Speaker 5:Dipsy, it was on the Dipsy, the Dipsy clip, right, it's what ties your fishing line to the what the cannonball? Yeah, right, yeah, basically, yeah, okay. So he's got that on his net. So that way the mesh will get snagged onto the pole with that clip, so that when you're reaching out overboard, that mesh is not going to touch anything on your boat. Oh man, it's not going to get snagged with the motor, it's not going to get snagged with anything else. It's nice and tight to the pole as you're putting it in the water. And then what happens is, once the fish gets into that mesh, the weight of the fish just pulls it off the clip.
Speaker 1:It's a really smart device. How many times I'll let you finish your story, but how many times when we're musky fishing? And a lot of times you'll hold the bag, the mesh part, in your left hand, and you'll have that's what we've all been trained to do, right. And then and then with a mesh, especially with a musky net, you get it hooked up on like boat cleats on the side and all that stuff. That's really smart, man. That is really smart, yeah.
Speaker 5:So he's got this cool setup and Tone grabs the net. Oh boy, and Tone didn't remember what. I guess he just didn't realize what that was for. He's like oh, why is this mesh like hooked up on the pole here? So he just, you know, he ripped the mesh off the pole because it's got to be loose to catch the fish. Of course, man it makes sense right.
Speaker 5:It makes sense. So Jay's pulling in this fish. Yeah, long lead, right. So he's got to go all the way to the back of the boat. Super long lead. Jay's chirping him already. He's like Tone, watch the corner of the boat, the net's going to get hooked up. And Tone's like don't worry about it, man, I got it. Watch the bikes. All right, I got it. Tone goes in for the dip. Doesn't the rim of the net get the hook Stuck in the face of the fish? So right now there's a fish, there's a salmon, a beautiful, huge salmon, hooked onto the bait and the bait's hooked onto the rim of the net and the fish. It's impossible to get in the net. Jay's losing his mind. I'm laughing my ass off, I'm just glad it wasn't a tournament.
Speaker 2:I'm just glad it wasn't a tournament, because Jay would have killed me.
Speaker 5:Best part was like don't worry, man, I'll just lift it. Oh, he lifted it lifted. He's about to heave it in. Jay starts. He's like you're gonna break everything, man, no, don't I was excited, man.
Speaker 2:The fish was just dangling there. But I will tell you this, I'm gonna tell you this right now that was having that super long lead. That fish was literally going underneath the boat siege. Literally it was coming in and jay was like you got to keep the head up, keep the head up, keep that up. Anyways, lew came, grabbed the net out of my hands, did a little bit of maneuvering and next thing, you know, it was landed beautifully. We got a picture and away we go.
Speaker 2:But I just got to defend myself here for a second.
Speaker 5:Hold on. No, no, you know what? No one's judging you man, I'm not judging you because I had no idea what that was until after that. I had no idea, man.
Speaker 2:I looked at it. I'm like what's this clip doing here? We'll take this off. Perfect, and little did I know that. I thought that was just a storing mechanism Maybe you know Jay's very clean in his boat and this and that. So I'm like what's that? We don't need this. Take that off.
Speaker 1:Next thing, you know, that's part of the rig and there's nothing worse than I went to net a muskie for Lou and it's not a big. It wasn't a big muskie, but the same thing. It was on LSC and I dipped the net. I dipped the net, I see him, and it was well. First of all it was chocolate milk, so you couldn't really see the fish. And then I took a stab at it. I went to get it and next thing you know, same thing, tone. Next thing, you know, same thing, tone the back treble hook of his Shadzilla got on the rim of the net and it wouldn't get in. So I hand-bombed it. I hand-bombed it and I brought it in like it was a large G.
Speaker 2:I lost a 50-inch muskie for you. Remember that story. That was the hardest thing I've ever done in my life. You know, being a net man is listen man being a net man is a stressful job for Smash right it is, man it is.
Speaker 1:I'd rather be on the rod end than the net man, because we all have had those stories and I'm sure our listeners.
Speaker 5:It's not as bad as Andrew Singh is throwing the cradle in the lake. Yeah, that's a good story too. So, you landed that fish. I still can't get over that, but anyway, yeah, you landed that fish. I still can't get over that, but anyway, yeah, if you guys want to hear about that, check out one of our previous podcasts.
Speaker 2:Oh, what a story. That's when Lou's tantrum was at its peak. I think that's the time that, if anybody was on the boat with that moment, get out of the way, because I'll tell you right now somebody's swimming, 100% yeah.
Speaker 1:He sat at the back of the boat for a while yeah, well, buddy, you brought a guy out wearing designer jeans on the fishing boat.
Speaker 2:So like I mean designer jeans and uh, well, listen, siege, I'm glad you brought that up, because jay and jay and lou came up with a name for people like that. So we were talking, we were talking and jay was talking about his tournament fishing, and you know it's about bringing on guys into the boat for tournaments, right? That just want to come in for the sake of I got nothing to do. I'll go fishing with these guys. How hard could it be? What do you call those guys? Lou, lou, you guys had a name for it. I was dying. We were going to make t-shirts. You said, what was it? You you remember? Do you remember the name? I don't remember. That's why I'm asking you. We're going to have to ask Jay, but there's a name, so there's a name for these. I don't know if they're stragglers or whatever it is.
Speaker 5:But there's a. All I remember is when we need to put this on hats and shirts. I'm going to get this. I'm going to text Jay right now?
Speaker 2:Oh, we got to text, jay.
Speaker 5:So we'll get back to that later.
Speaker 2:Oh, buddy, but listen.
Speaker 1:We need that.
Speaker 2:I got to tell you guys something, man, now that we're on the topic of salmon, and you know people that are fishermen, people that are into the outdoors, I am almost positive. They came across a certain social media post that has been up in the airwaves and siege. I am teched because this is something I've wanted to talk about for years and years and I got a platform now and I would love to hear your guys' opinion on this. But listen, there's something going around on social media right now. I grew up river fishing. This is what made me, this was the hook. This was what got me hooked into fishing. And you say the tug is the drug, right? My first fish I ever caught by myself with a center pin reel, was incredible, and I pay for my license every year. I helped out with the Credit River Angling Association for years, bringing fish up to the ladder, helping with the reproduction of salmon. A lot of rainbow trout come through our systems as well. They're programmed differently, but I really, really respected and fell in love with river fishing.
Speaker 2:What's happening out there and there are a lot of social media posts going around are people are taking advantage of these thousands and thousands of salmon that are coming up through these rivers and they're netting them. They're netting them just to take them home for for food. And it's bothering me because this has not just happened now. I think social media is um now. It gives people a platform to say, hey, look, look what these people are doing because of Siege and Lou. This has been around for years. It's been around since I was a kid. I've seen people poaching fish out of the Credit River ever since I was 16 years old and it's bothering me now more than ever. And there's been this post that's been shared. People in our industry, siege they've been sharing it with us on our yeah, tell them a little bit what's going on on the post.
Speaker 2:So basically, it's a family, immigrants and they're here and listen, these people might not even know the rules, siege, it's just you know, who knows what the situation is, but they're on the river, river, and they're literally scooping fish with a massive musky net or whatever net they're using, and they're literally putting them onto the shore and putting them in black garbage bags. There's a fellow who took the video and he says excuse me, you know that this is illegal, you shouldn't be doing this. And they literally looked at him and just ignored him. Don't care, and they just kept going about their business. And it doesn't go further than that.
Speaker 2:It's been shared across social media for people obviously fishermen and outdoor people and it made me sick to my stomach because all these years that I've been witnessing this and listen, man, we're anglers, we pay for our fishing license every single year. We respect, we catch, we release. If we're going to consume, it's in the slot or we get our numbers. And this has to stop. Man and Siege, you're the one that told me that these people you followed up might have been caught.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they ended up catching them. So a lot of people called it in. And if anyone sees anything like this, there is a Ministry of Natural Resources, there's a tip line and it's 1-877-847-7667. And luckily, this gentleman reported it and these guys and girls they're facing federal and provincial charges are laid against them and then when I looked it up in September, following year 2023, a lot of people were spearing them as well. Yeah, yeah, so there was charges.
Speaker 1:So this is I'm new to this whole salmon thing and I didn't know this was happening and it really disrupts the fishing or the population of the salmon. I didn't know any of this, but yeah, um, every year there's tons of charges being laid in, but these guys didn't really care. And then you know, they put in garbage bags and I don't know if they're playing dumb tone, like, like, but like I mean saying they don't have to have licenses and all that stuff. But yeah, so they're facing some some, uh some, fines. They didn't have to have licenses and all that stuff, but yeah, so they're facing some fines. They didn't get into exactly the amount, but who knows, man, but I would just call that tip line, as much as people say you're being a Karen calling it a tip line.
Speaker 2:You got to do it, you got to do it.
Speaker 5:You got to report those nuns.
Speaker 2:That's what they are, nuns, that's what the word is siege. By the way, jay, do nuns. The nuns don't bring any nuns on my boat.
Speaker 1:So what do you mean like non, not nuns?
Speaker 5:right, non, non, like n-o-n, so that you're said they're not non-angler, is that?
Speaker 2:what bring any of these nuns on my boat? They're not fishermen, they're non-anglers.
Speaker 5:They're, they're, they're people trying to come out for, uh, a little hurrah and say they're, they're fishing, but they don't really care, they, they're probably trying to go out for the boys before they get.
Speaker 2:You gotta get a picture of andrew singus on a t-shirt and just wrote nuns right on the top of that the nuns. So they're.
Speaker 1:They're like the instagram guys, where you know they'll. They just want that picture and then they're good, right, they'll put it on their Tinder profile. Oh man, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 5:Not one fish.
Speaker 2:I'm going to tell you something, siege, just going back on this whole tip line stuff. We witnessed this with Muskie as well, and this goes back years. You guys all remember the word shit fish. We all talk shit fish. We say it all the time. Because going back to when we saw that video footage of that guy out in the was it detroit river back in the day taking a baseball bat to a beautiful muskie's face, you remember that?
Speaker 1:well, it was a walleye fisherman and his excuse was, um, that the muskie eat his walleye and their shit fish and he wants to eliminate them. And then that guy reported it. This guy had to move out of that town because he got jerks so much and he lost his fishing license for I don't know how many years, but he was getting death threats. But, man, he was very verbal of his hate and and all that stuff. So us as anglers, yeah, take a picture of this stuff, man, like I mean in a video, and report it, because this is our future. This is like you know, this is what we're really. You know our kids can be catching these fish and in the future. So, as much as you don't want to be a rat, there comes a time when you have to be right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I agree, man, and listen, hunting has got to be in the same sort of conversation, because there's probably a lot of crap that happens out there that we don't see. And listen, the game warden can't be in every bush across Ontario, but I will tell you this hunting they are very and this is just from stories that I hear. There's a story of Hookset's neighbor when they went moose hunting they actually showed up at his house, you know, just to verify the catch Like they take it very, very seriously. And if you see something or you hear of people that aren't doing it properly, listen, man, we all pay our dough. We took our courses. We respect the animals, we respect the base. We love what we do. If somebody is going to be, you know, doing something that's going to misrepresent us, well, listen, I'm going to be a Karen. I don't care, I'm going to take the picture, I'm going to report.
Speaker 5:I might punch him in the face. I don know figure it out.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, you heard it. Man, that's right, I might punch you in the face, man.
Speaker 2:If I was on that river, I wouldn't have pulled out my camera. I would have started a fight.
Speaker 1:Don't care oh boy, tony dukes oh man.
Speaker 2:Well, listen, man, we gotta. We got some stuff to talk about, um. You know, just just to cleaning up siege, social media has been popping obviously. We had cory uh johnson on um not too long ago. We had a great response, great story. I know the? Uh, the tournament rules are changing soon in the elite world. We're gonna hopefully have a couple guests on to chat about that. But uh, edub, what's happening? What's coming up? Siege? I know it's the fall. We got a big tournament coming up as well, future guests coming on to talk about it. Uh, ed-dub, what's cracking?
Speaker 1:So E-Dub right now. We're going to be doing a giveaway coming up soon. It's going to be Instagram only. It's going to be with Kakushin Knives, and so we're going to wait for some news on that. We're going to pair up. We're going to have an Echo Filet giveaway with a chef's knife, and we got the musky brawl coming up. We're one of the top sponsors on that. So Antonio Maleca will be handing out food to all the anglers, and Luis Topdod Pereira, when Antonio's handing him the food, he's probably going to steal your Shadzillas when you're not looking. Okay, short Ninja Lou, yep, short Ninja Lou. And other than that, we have a lot of trips coming up and a lot of food to be eaten. So a lot of people, our listeners. We haven't forgot about food. We are eating wild and we have some good recipes coming up. I have lined up with Antonio some really good chefs coming up.
Speaker 5:Sorry to interrupt, but we haven't done a recipe on the show in a long time, man, no yeah, we have big news with that, lou, and I'm glad you brought that up.
Speaker 2:Uh, we are very, very close into teaming up with a. A lot of people been asking us Siege, where do you guys get your meat? Where do you get your game meat? Where do you get, where do you buy? And we've been mentioning the butcher shop for a long time. We are very close to having something, lou, concrete with the butcher shop and we are going to be featuring a new cut of meat weekly and the recipes will be coming in. So you're going to have, listen, we haven't done a recipe. We also haven't done a pairing in probably over a month.
Speaker 2:So, I'm going to put you to the test very shortly, my friend, because, siege, we don't even know what cuts they're going to throw at us. It could be anything from a Japanese Wagyu steak to bison ribs, short ribs or elk burgers, or it could be just a New York strip loin steak aged 60 days. So we had a really good conversation with them a few days ago and, lou, we're very close to locking that down and I'm going to tell you this right now. They're going to. They're going to throw it at us pretty hard. So, for our listeners, I hope you like the meat because we're going to have new recipes and wine pairings, booze pairings very shortly. Could be as soon as next week, next episode. So, yeah, look out for that. One more thing before we go we do. You mentioned we have a hunting trip coming up. Luis, you went and purchased some ammo Again, ammo. Right now, it's still hard to find certain types of ammo, but are you all ready to go? Are you all locked up?
Speaker 5:Honey, last week I took my gun apart. I put a towel on my coffee table Love it. I think Monica was watching the Bachelor. She's like you want to watch this with me? I'm like, yeah, yeah, so she didn't enjoy hearing the chamber every now and then, but it was great. Man, I just took everything apart. I haven't done that in a year.
Speaker 1:So cleaned it all out, lubed it all up and I'm excited, I'm pumped man and that's so cool that you took it apart, because now you know if something goes wrong in the field. You know how to take apart that gun and I tell any of our listeners, or any of that stuff like, take apart your gun. There's so many videos on YouTube. If you put the type of gun you own, there's so many videos with the breakdown and all that, the more you know your gun and if you have problems you can fix it in two seconds and you know what.
Speaker 5:There's a couple of tools that I need to pack with me on our trip in case something goes wrong with my gun. Yes, because, because if I'm, if we're at the hunt camp and I don't have a little tiny punch, I can't pull that trigger out.
Speaker 4:If I don't have pliers, I can't pull that casing out.
Speaker 1:That's awesome. You know about the punch with the trigger, so I really know you're taking apart your gun because that can be a little little, that can be a little uh tricky to do. The triggers a lot of people don't. They skip that part and so no, that's cool yeah, I'm excited one thing.
Speaker 5:One thing I'm excited to to do tone with with all of us is to um, shit, I forget the term when we cite, cite out guns. Oh yes, the pattern.
Speaker 1:Pattern your shotgun.
Speaker 5:Pattern the shotgun right. So we're going to bring up some paper, we're going to put some bullseyes up there and we're going to see how each of our guns shoot, and I think that's going to be really cool to see how we're all doing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and for the people listening to Eating Wild podcast listen, we're weekend warriors when it comes to hunting and fishing. So all the stuff that you're hearing is all stuff that we're learning and bringing you along with us, because we're not pros by any means. But I'll tell you, I purchased probably something this year that I cannot wait to use. We talked about it on previous podcasts Siege of Benelli the Cardoba. It's called the Best B-E-S-T. I can't wait to get that in my hands and pattern it as well. And another question I had for you, siege, before we wrap this up I know you're a super Black Eagle guy. You were talking to me like you wanted to buy this gun for yourself. For a guy that's been shooting a super Black Eagle 3, okay, what makes you think that you need to change shotguns? I got to ask you that.
Speaker 1:I have no reason to change shotguns. This Super Black Eagle 3 will outlive me. You always get caught. You want stuff you know fishing rods, fishing lures, all that stuff but you don't have to have a Benelli. You can get any reasonable semi-auto that are out there. And what Lou was talking about patterning guns that is the most important thing to do, because all guns shoot differently and if you're using different chokes and if you're using different ammo, you got to see what shoots best for you. So when you paper a shotgun, you really see your spread and all that stuff. And that's something like you said, tone, we're weekend warriors, but you really have to do that. All these guns come with shim kit. There's a reason, because everyone's different, so it can drop a little bit lower, drop a little bit higher. But I tell everyone you got to do these steps because you could be missing out what that gun can do for you. If you take these steps and go on YouTube, it'll help you.
Speaker 2:All right. Well, those are all great tips. Boys Appreciate it, looking forward to it. We do have a couple of great episodes coming up next week, some featured guests that we're going to talk to Getting you ready for the hunting season, big fish season. We got tournament season coming up in November. I'm just excited, boys, and just to see Lewis's face again makes me very happy and it makes me smile. And listen, he's nuts. You got to admit the guy's nuts and and I feel sorry for that, karen, but you know what, when he's on the edub podcast, we love him and look at that beautiful smile listen, if there's any parks out there that uh have a nice little boat launch.
Speaker 5:You know, got a trailer, nice trailer. We're a nice family. I'd do a nice barbecue. There you go, george and Bay, call me up.
Speaker 2:Call them up. Eating well podcast. Listen boys. I want to take time say thank you for joining me and everyone listening. Thanks for taking the time on your commute to work or whether you're cutting the grass or you're having a shower. This is a smash. Maleka, checking out of your eating well. Podcast for top dog prayer. I show time Johnson Eden Wild. Podcast For Top Dog Pereira. Showtime Johnson Coach. Get that beautiful tune started. We're out of here. Ciao, get the net, don't be a nonce.
Speaker 3:We've got the stars lined up and they're coming out ready to play. We'll be right back.