WANT TO AGE LIKE FINE WINE? THE SECRET IS IN YOUR DAILY HABITS!

Think slowing your biological age needs expensive doctors and fancy tech? Julie proves you can do it with smart basics and a budget.

She went from depression and heavy metal toxicity to measurable aging improvements using detox, protein targets, daily greens, and a practical senolytic stack. Her DunedinPACE results dropped from 0.76 to 0.65, even during stressful months.

This episode breaks down what actually moves the needle for health span: resistance training, clean fish choices, sleep, sunlight, and simple supplements. 

No hype, no extremes, just real steps you can start today.

If you want a clear, affordable anti-aging plan, this one is for you. 

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Chapters

• 0:00 Mission And Underdog Theme
• 1:18 Introducing Julie And The Biohacking Rivalry
• 2:19 World Travel, Culture, And Perspective
• 6:55 Starting Businesses Abroad And Free Zones
• 9:59 Becoming A Reluctant, Budget Biohacker
• 12:04 Rock Bottom Health And First Nutraceuticals
• 18:01 Food Quality, Supplements, And “Dark Matter”
• 22:18 Heavy Metals, Detox, And Chelation
• 26:13 Diets, Personalization, And Epigenetics
• 31:35 Fasting, FMD, And Senolytics 101
• 34:58 NOVOS Study And Pace Of Aging Results
• 38:12 Beating A Wealthy Competitor On $100
• 41:05 Exercise, Brain Health, And Parkinson’s Risk
• 44:03 Start Small: Movement, Veggies, Consistency
• 47:06 Mindset, Resources, And Doing What You Can
• 1:17:21 Closing Thanks And Content For Good

Transcript

SPEAKER_03: 0:02

Hello and welcome to Underdogs, Bootstrappers, and Game Changers. This is for those of you that are starting with nothing and using business to change their stars. Motivating people who disrupted industry standards. This is the real side of business. This isn't Shark Tank. My aim with this podcast is to take away some of the imaginary Roblox that are out there. I want to help more underdogs because underdogs are truly changed the world. This is part of our Content for Good initiative. All the proceeds from the monetization of this podcast will go to charitable causes. It's for the person that wants it. Hello and welcome to another episode of Underdogs, Bootstrappers, Game Changers. And I'm here with my incredible friend, Julie Gibson Clark. Thank you so much for being here.

SPEAKER_00: 0:53

Thank you for having me. I'm honored to be here. And thank you, everybody, for tuning in today. I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_03: 0:58

I'm so excited because we have an incredible underdog story. You like to like diminish it, but I see it as an incredible underdog story.

SPEAKER_02: 1:08

Okay.

SPEAKER_03: 1:08

Anytime the little guy is kind of not fighting, but uh let's say I want to use the word combating, but it like it's it's fair play, right? You guys, you guys are in an interesting space, biohacking. Yeah. Um, and one person has an incredible amount of means and one person does not. Yes. And so we're gonna tell the story about the ultimate underdog, right? And how you have been able to be competitive with one of the richest man richest men in the space in biohacking, right? Your age um pace of aging. Pace of aging has been competitive and even less at times than him.

SPEAKER_01: 1:46

Yes. And actually, if you still, if you I think if you waited it for my age, which you're supposed to do because I'm 10 years older than him, I'd still be, if not beating him pretty stinking close.

SPEAKER_03: 1:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:58

So I don't I don't know where his what his current scores are, but and I'm getting better every day.

SPEAKER_03: 2:02

So And everybody probably is aware of who this is. He actually had a son just so he could take blood donations.

SPEAKER_01: 2:09

Nah, and let's not let's not let's not put him down. We're we're not going to. That's his thing.

SPEAKER_03: 2:14

But uh, but I just want to give them an intriguing notion about uh who it is you're competing with. But first, I want to start uh a little bit further back. And I want to talk about I know you've been like all over the world.

SPEAKER_01: 2:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 2:26

Lived in Dubai, you know, lived in what other places?

SPEAKER_01: 2:29

Well, I mean, like I whenever I meet people, it's like, where'd you grow up? I'm like, oh, we need infographic and like PowerPoint presentation, you know. So yeah, born in Houston, Texas, then went to California, then to Germany, back to Texas, back to California, California to New Orleans, New Orleans to Portland, Portland to Germany, back to Germany, Germany to Doha Cutter, Doha to Phoenix, and then Phoenix to Dubai, Dubai to Phoenix. We there was a lot of Phoenix to Dubai for several different years over the course of a decade. And now this is the longest place I've ever lived in one consecutive bit. And in fact, this April will be nine years in one place.

SPEAKER_03: 3:12

That's incredible.

SPEAKER_01: 3:13

Because otherwise, like I had never I lived in Portland seven years before that, and that was the longest I'd ever lived somewhere.

SPEAKER_03: 3:19

Favorite place in the world to live in. Why?

SPEAKER_01: 3:23

Where like of all the places I've lived, oh hands down, like the Middle East. I loved it'd be it'd be really easy for me to say Dubai, but honestly, I really love living in Doha Qatar a lot more uh because you hear the call to prayer uh five times a day. Yeah in Dubai it's a little bit more subdued. You really are living in the Middle East. Um still the common language is English, so I didn't have to learn Arabic, but there was enough people there speaking Arabic if I wanted to learn. Um, you know, and like my radio, this is the before the days of all the stuff we have now, so I guess I could have made my whole day in English, but part of my day was in Arabic just by listening to the radio and things like that. And I like I love that kind of adventure. I think living in Germany when I was very young, I was like eight years old and not knowing the language.

SPEAKER_02: 4:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 4:14

And I'm really like I pick up languages pretty quickly, I have a pretty good ear. And I was the one that kind of did all the speaking for my family, like everywhere we went. And I don't know, I just kind of like that was became a point of pride maybe for me. I don't know, but yeah, I just really love like seeing what's around the next corner.

SPEAKER_03: 4:34

I'm with you, like to experience like such different cultures is just I think everybody needs to do it. I mean, I cornered a um fight in Chechnya, and um we were actually like I remember one we were working out in the gym, and then all of a sudden the prayer call goes and everybody goes over to the corner corner, you know. It's like really interesting notion, and it like is a reminder of being in such a different world, you know, which I truly love experiencing like that stuff too.

SPEAKER_01: 5:02

I love that because you learn like how people, for lack of a better way of saying it, like everybody slices the onion a little differently. Yeah, and it helps you get out of yourself. Like you're like, okay, I have this problem, and then having friends from other cultures, learning like I would in Dubai I was in a book club, you know, and we were all I mean, it was like a model United Nations, you know, book club. Not we're not trying to it just and so when we would discuss a topic, it was just so much more rich, you know, to hear different people talk about how they were raised in their culture and how they saw the book, you know, based on that. It was so interesting.

SPEAKER_03: 5:36

I think that it would be fascinating. And I think that like anybody that has like any sort of hate in their heart towards people, you know, by typecasting them or whatever you want to say. I don't want to go too much deeper than that. I just think they haven't seen enough of the world.

SPEAKER_00: 5:48

I think so too.

SPEAKER_03: 5:50

Because if you've seen the world, you know, you don't think I mean we we arrived in Chechnya, and I don't know this for sure, but I believe you couldn't even travel there as an American. Happened to be the president at the time of Chechnya, was a huge MMA fan. So he personally signed our visas. So we get to go like somewhere like nobody gets to go. And we had these bodyguards because they were war-torn country until recently, like completely dismantled. And uh this old man, he's wearing like turban or whatever, starts running at me, and my security guards get all freaked out. And I'm like, no, it's okay. He rums up to me, he hugs me, and he says, Thank you so much for coming to my country. And I kid you not, it was the most incredible experience. Everywhere we went, huge, like just like in Spain, soccer is like the big thing, MMA over there.

SPEAKER_00: 6:32

Oh, that's so cool.

SPEAKER_03: 6:32

And uh, so everywhere we went, everybody wanted to take pictures with us and you know, stuff like that. It was just so otherworldly, you know, and then like such an incredible experience.

SPEAKER_01: 6:41

But uh I always I always say at the end of the day, like if if people are afraid to travel, I guess.

SPEAKER_03: 6:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 6:46

At the end of the day, really everybody just wants to have a peaceful life and feed their family and get a little ahead. Like that's really about it, and share what they love about their country. I mean, people are so proud, especially as an American to go travel and another, like they're so happy you're there. Yeah, so happy. I mean, I had the fortune, I suppose the good fortune of being able to go to Afghanistan and like, you know, when we start talking about food with the chefs and like, oh my god, like they're just they're so proud, you know, of like where like it's just every country I've ever been to, I was it Croatia, like way before it kind of became like a vacation spot, you know, same thing. It was just like people are just so proud, you know, and they they're they know so much about Americans and they know we don't travel, so when we go, they're so happy to see you.

SPEAKER_03: 7:34

That's been my experience. And like the less Americans into a place, the more I like going. I mean, when I went to Nigeria, the kids are so unused to seeing somebody with hair. Like I have a lot of hair, you know, they would come up to me like a cat from behind and pet me. And it's like those little things in life, it's like you can't, you can't hate after that. Yeah. There's only one country I won't go to again, but I've told you Mexico.

SPEAKER_01: 7:55

So I was thrown in jail for no reason. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 7:58

That can leave a bitter taste in your mouth.

SPEAKER_01: 8:00

But it I have no problem with the people. It was just, you know, the the whole, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 8:04

Anyway. The how how was it that you ended up traveling so much throughout the world?

SPEAKER_01: 8:09

I just like to travel.

SPEAKER_03: 8:10

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01: 8:11

Pretty much I was never like, oh, I'm gonna take a job and then let that job take me wherever. It was like, I think I want to move to Germany. You know, I want to move to Oregon. I want to move, it's like I wanted to move to Oregon. I started a business, and then I kind of was like, I was in, you know, like luxury weddings and things.

SPEAKER_02: 8:28

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01: 8:29

And I wanted to move to Germany and I had graphic design skills, so I found a job with the military. So I closed my business, but I knew being weddings is like, well, everyone gets married every year. I have a whole new set of clients every year. It's not like I had repeat business anyway. So I thought, well, I can just go for a year and then come home if it doesn't work out. But that ended up really working out, and they sent me to the Middle East. And um, after that, it was kind of me moving around.

SPEAKER_03: 8:54

But how how did you end up in Dubai? What kind of work were you doing there?

SPEAKER_01: 8:57

It luxury events, because I had learned in Dubai you can have your own business there. It's very easy to set up a business. Interesting. So they have these uh economic zones where you just rent an office in that economic zone, and now instead of like in the Middle East, it usually works where you have to have a local partner.

SPEAKER_00: 9:12

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01: 9:13

So like that partner, um I I don't know all the ramifications, but like they get you into that country, but they take 10% of all your profits. Oh wow. So yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 9:23

And um there are so they kind of help you navigate getting into it.

SPEAKER_01: 9:28

But so now that so when Dubai set up an economic zone, that changed everything. Okay. So now it's like, okay, I can, as Joe Blow graphic designer, I just have to rent an office in this free zone, as it's called. And, you know, that's it. Like now I don't I don't have to have a local partner. That is my local partner by paying for that.

SPEAKER_03: 9:46

What about like so here in the US we have LLCs, EIN numbers, things like that? What was navigating that process over there difficult?

SPEAKER_01: 9:54

No, I don't uh because they're not as litigious like like we are. We have that for litigation purposes. Yeah, litigation purpose. Right. Like if I you know hurt myself here, I wouldn't be able to go after you personally kind of thing. They don't really uh I mean I never encountered that. I didn't really talk with lawyers and do you think there's a lot of opportunities there?

SPEAKER_03: 10:14

Yes, I do for Americans going over there to start businesses?

SPEAKER_01: 10:17

I don't know what the the climate is like now, but uh yes, in the past for sure.

SPEAKER_03: 10:22

That's intriguing.

SPEAKER_01: 10:23

Absolutely for absolutely for sure.

SPEAKER_03: 10:24

So how would you label yourself these days? Can I call you a biohacker or like what's the Yeah, I know, right?

SPEAKER_01: 10:30

I call myself a reluctant biohacker because I don't I don't do all the things, not because I don't want to, I just don't have the budget for it. But I've also just learned, you know, there you can get very far by just doing the basics.

SPEAKER_03: 10:41

So you're a bootstrapper biohacker.

SPEAKER_01: 10:43

Yeah, or bio optimizers. I love it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh yeah, very much a bootstrapper. And that's how I ran all my businesses. Always, always, always, always never, um, never like, oh, I don't have this, I don't have that. It's like, what can I do? What can I do? What can I do from that mindset?

SPEAKER_03: 10:58

I always love it when we have like what I call the trifecta of a guest on because it's underdogs, bootstrappers, game changers, right? And so when we have the trifecta of all those things on the podcast, it's the ultimate. And most like we're like, I'm pretty selective in who I bring on here. So most of the time we get we get all three. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 11:15

I'm not I'm not on the game changer yet, but I'm working on it. I think you're changing the game.

SPEAKER_03: 11:18

A lot of that's the other thing about my bootstrappers, you know, uh, underdogs, game changers, they don't even realize how much impact they're actually having. So um, yeah, really intrigued. Like, how did you initially get into like the thought like I want to fix my health and I want to hack this baby and be like as healthy as possible?

SPEAKER_01: 11:34

First of all, I never thought of it as hacking because that just like that's just like nails on a chalkboard to me. I'm like, oh, I don't want to hack my cells, like I want to optimize them. And it really just came about from being really sick in my 30s. I was just, you know, like had I was already on one medication, then it was like you're gonna be had another problem, I was gonna be on another medication. And then and I just kept thinking like what was the feeling?

SPEAKER_03: 11:56

Like what what when you described sick, like what did you like um stomach or energy?

SPEAKER_01: 12:02

I was really, I was really depressed. I was put on an antidepressant, but you know, I had been through a marriage and a divorce and like quit my job that I had gone to school for. I was a structural engineer, I had no idea what I was gonna do. But I was also drinking a bottle of wine every night, followed by like some Lefroig whiskey, you know. Like, I mean, there it was like, and no doctor ever asked me how much are you drinking? Sure. You know, I was not exercising and I had been like a weightlifter before that, you know. So it was like I just it's weird to me in hindsight that that was never asked. It was just like, here's the medication, and now I was having stomach problems, yeah. Probably from the medication, but also just from all the stress of everything. Sure, you know, and um it was like, okay, well, here's another medication. And thank God it was something like my stomach issues because I just kept thinking, well, I don't need a medication for my stomach issues, I just need to figure out how to eat better. Like that doesn't seem right to me.

SPEAKER_03: 12:53

Did you know much about diet before that? Or were you?

SPEAKER_01: 12:56

No, but it just like intuitively, it was just an intuitive thing, like this doesn't seem right. And I thought, I don't, I'm like third, I'm literally 30 years old. I was 30 years old at the point. I thought, I'm not gonna be on this medication the rest of my life. This is ridiculous. So I went to a naturopath and that's she said, I'm gonna put you on a nutraceutical protocol. And I was like, Okay, what is that? You know, and um so in the process of learning that that was actually really effective, like I had been taught up until that point um that taking vitamins and all that, that that was just expensive urine. I was a structural engineer. We used to work at um, I was working at a wastewater treatment plant. It's a poop plant, people and you can see these initial like filters, so you get to see all the stuff that people flush down their toilets that can't go through the you see a lot of vitamins in there. So I was like, okay, well, that's just a big waste of money. You know, like you see, I mean, who knows whether maybe somebody just threw them down the toilet or whether that was, you know, but you see a lot of you see a lot of stuff.

SPEAKER_03: 13:54

And and um let's chat about that for a quick second. I want to pause right there because I don't want to miss that. Okay. Um, here's my instinct on vitamins.

SPEAKER_02: 14:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 14:02

And like, let me know how you feel about it. It's like, um, if I'm gonna build a house, right? And I let's say two, I'm gonna set two people to building a house. Over here, I give you gum drops and like uh pixie sticks and uh, you know, like I'm trying to think of crappy building materials. And on the other side, I give you brick and cement and these sort of things. You know, it's like who's gonna build the better house, no matter how talented you are. So when we say to our body, like, hey, build me this amazing specimen of a human being, and we put in the bad materials, you get bad out, right? And so people want to, and this is just my sense on vitamins, it's like, yeah, we probably get rid of a good majority of it, but we've at least given the building blocks to potentially use them as a house.

SPEAKER_01: 14:46

Well, yeah. I mean, in the process, I mean, when she put me on this and it worked, yeah, I mean, like worked brilliantly. I was like, and there was no like negative repercussions and I didn't need to be on it on the rest of my life. It was like, this is just for X amount of time until you feel better, then you'll taper taper down, you know. And um I don't know, I just was like, oh, okay, actually these things are effective. They're very like very effective.

SPEAKER_02: 15:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 15:13

So um I don't know. I just was like, okay, I'm not anti-vitamins at that point. I mean, essentially is really what I and I just remember, you know, her saying, like you should really just at least take a multivitamin and oh, you need to make sure it's pharmaceutical grade. You know, so she sure like this is I mean, we're talking 2000, the year 2000, so before kind of any big explosion.

SPEAKER_02: 15:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 15:34

Um, and so I was, I was careful about that. She was also careful. She mentioned like always being on a probiotic or eating probiotic rich foods. This was again, you know, 25 years ago.

SPEAKER_03: 15:45

Do you do you switch your I want to hit some key things? Yeah, I do, I do, I do. I switch your body. If you use the same one over and over again, it doesn't have the same value over time.

SPEAKER_01: 15:53

I don't nobody ever told me that, but I just always feel like it kind of makes sense. You should have like a whole bunch of different bugs going on. Yep, yep. I don't know, it just seems right. So um anyway, so I just was ne at that point forward, I wasn't averse to taking supplements, but I also have had this very strong belief, and this comes from my parents. So, like my dad is like the OG biohacker. Like, really? Oh yeah, like we could we could have a whole podcast on my dad. Uh-huh. Um, but he was always like experimenting and reading and like, you know.

SPEAKER_03: 16:25

What's his background?

SPEAKER_01: 16:26

Okay, so so so my dad isn't uh scientist, he has a PhD in physics, solar physics. That's awesome, but he was hired as an astronaut for NASA. So flew on Skylab three, and when he started the program, there were 2,000 scientists, you know, um, that they whittled down to three and maybe a couple backups, I don't know, but so three missions. And um, he was one of them that made it. Now he's like, I don't want to say he's a little guy. I mean, he played college football, but he's not like a you know, and he had like osteomolitis when he was younger. He was not like this overly healthy military pilot. He's joining now and like training with Neil Armstrong and like all the greats. And I I asked him one day in the college, I said, How did you do that? Like, that's really crazy, you know. Like, how did you go in there every day and not be like intimidated? And he says, Well, you know, I used to just tell myself every single morning they all put their pants on one leg at a time, and that's what I do too. And so, like, it was just like I was just listening to somebody some navy seal saying, like, say, like, if a human can do it, I can do it. Like, if you know, like I I love that like mindset, and it just that changed my life. So, but he was always like into the supplements. Now, meanwhile, you got my mom, right? Yeah, she's like raised on a farm, like she'd always say, you don't eat all those pills, you know, just eat real food, eat healthy. So I have these two voices in my head that I'm always trying to navigate.

SPEAKER_03: 17:51

It actually sounds like the combination of the two is probably perfect.

SPEAKER_01: 17:54

I think it worked out well. I think it worked out okay because I and and this is what I'm really trying to teach myself now. Like, there's this whole field, nutritional dark matter, that they talk about. Like we have 139,000 um molecular, molecular components to food, and we only know like this many of them.

SPEAKER_03: 18:12

Yeah. So there's It's amazing how little we actually know. Right.

SPEAKER_01: 18:15

Like, like you know, you think, oh, I'm gonna get an orange because it's got vitamin C in it, and okay, there's got some fiber, you know, okay, that's great, and some pectin. Okay, so we know that. But there's probably another 100,000 things happening in there that we don't know.

SPEAKER_03: 18:27

I mean, even when it comes to like testing and stuff, it's like, let's say you grab the lean pocket meal and it says like it should have 400 calories. They're allowed to be in. Do you happen to know this? I think it's within a 50% variance or something like that. So they don't even have to be close to accurate. So you think you're getting like 20 grams of protein, you could be getting seven. Yeah. Right?

SPEAKER_01: 18:46

My son has been telling me this. He's like, you know, yeah, mom, yeah, you don't know. And da-da-da-da. So you might as well get the whey protein, it's better for you, and da-da-da. You know, anyway.

SPEAKER_03: 18:54

You know, like uh, and I bring like I actually get a lot of hate for this in this kind of space, but like thermodynamics, energy is never created or destroyed, it's only transferred. And so theoretically, like then, and I might have heard this somewhere. Sometimes I forget what my own is and one of the what I read somewhere, but uh the in full disclosure that in case this is actually somebody's, you know, that's not mine, but it's like getting as close to the kill as possible, right? And it's like whether you're vegetarian or like you eat meat, you know, like the second something is killed, it's in state of decay. If it's in a state of decay, it's releasing its resources to the world. If you're consuming that as quickly as possible between that, you're consuming the most amount of nutrients and resources.

SPEAKER_01: 19:35

Yeah, that makes perfect sense to me. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 19:37

So that's why like fresh foods are imperative, you know, or like flash fresh flash frozen foods, that sort of stuff is like where you've stopped the decay. And I don't think enough people think about that either.

SPEAKER_01: 19:48

I don't think so either. But I think we've just made it too easy. And we've had, I mean, let's face it, like when I was going to the doctor in 2000, you know, the thinking was you can eat whatever you want. Like that doesn't, that's not going to make any difference.

SPEAKER_03: 20:00

That was their that was like the mindset in the medical. Calorie crowd.

SPEAKER_01: 20:04

Yeah, but also like your health didn't depend on that. You just come back to us. We've got a medication for you. And I I don't think the doctors were trying to be, I really don't think the medical profession is trying to be um, I don't know, you know, pull one over on us. I think that they truly believe that because they just hadn't studied, we didn't know enough about food.

SPEAKER_02: 20:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 20:26

And um, I mean, I just can't tell you how many arguments I would have with people. And I finally just learned to kind of be quiet, you know, but like that were in the medical professions, like, no, that doesn't matter, that doesn't matter, until finally, it seems like maybe around 10 years ago, it started shifting. Like my brother was an MD and was able to kind of talk with him and you know, got him into interested in like a little bit of vitamin C and this. And then he was like, Oh, you know, because I was in chelation therapy, and he's like, What are you doing? That sounds dangerous, you know, and he was looking into it, but then he saw like how it helped me, and then he's like, Okay, there is something to what you're doing. So, you know, I it anyway, it's interesting. Um, but I do think we had I think it had more to do with the pharmaceutical companies.

SPEAKER_02: 21:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 21:11

Like, I mean, they're basically sponsoring the medical school, you know. So everyone's now becoming more aware that light is shining in the world.

SPEAKER_03: 21:20

Isn't it crazy that like 20 years ago to even talk about food as a healing source is is like backwards almost? And now today it's like so intuitive. I saw but not everybody knows this stuff. It's so intuitive. Like my undergrad's in biochemistry, like, and I'm fascinated by fitness and things like that. And so like it's so intuitive to you and I. But I watched a documentary, and like the lady was overweight and her kid was overweight, and she's like, I'm feeding him all the lead pockets that I can give him, you know, and like literally she thought that was like putting him on like says lean.

SPEAKER_01: 21:49

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_03: 21:49

And I so I forget sometimes that we need to be like more base level, you know, with some of the um impactful things, you know. And so, anyways, I kind of interrupted us, but we'll continue our journey. Uh, so we um we are at the part where you're not feeling well.

SPEAKER_01: 22:04

Yeah, start some protocols. Yep, start some protocols and then and then and she's asking me, What are you doing? You know, oh you you really shouldn't be drinking. That's not gonna help, you know, especially red wine is very, it's a very much of a depressant, you know. Don't do that, you know, on occasion, fine, but don't do it every night and just have a glass. And she would show me what an actual glass was, you know. Yeah, like, oh wow, and look at that, I lost like 40 pounds, like just like boom, you know.

SPEAKER_03: 22:27

It all turns into the sugars in your body.

SPEAKER_01: 22:29

Yeah, it's crazy. And so well, and she said, you know, if you like like working out, go back to the gym, like that'll help you. So, of course, I started doing all that. I started feeling great. That's when I was like, I started my business, I was just in a good place. And so, um, and then I moved to Germany and I'm now I'm with the military. That was kind of I mean, I wasn't in the military, but like, you know, working with them. Yeah. So I always had a gym to work out at. Everything was like cool. I'm humming along doing my life, and then I hit my 40s, and now my hair starts falling out, and I'm getting like bone-tired. And I just thought I was like, I was, you know, doing the vegan diet. I thought like I was should be super healthy. And and it anyway, long story short, turned it I had heavy metal poisoning. And so in the process of finding a doctor to help me through that, I found this basically functional medicine doctor. She wasn't really trained in that, but that's what she was practicing, and she helped me through that.

SPEAKER_03: 23:23

Um how do you get exposed to that kind of metal that would make you sick? Or mount, I should say.

SPEAKER_01: 23:29

I don't I don't know if I want to claim every reason, but there are many reasons. And I'm an adventurous eater. I had lived all over the world by that point. Yeah, and I eat fish because it's supposed to be healthy for you. I miss the memo that it was full of mercury and all the other toxins.

SPEAKER_02: 23:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 23:45

Um, I mean, when I calculate how much tuna I was eating, even on the FDA's website, I was blowing way past that. I was just like, oh, okay, you're not, you know, like they had a little website, like how many cans of tuna you could safely eat in a week. And I was like, not only was I having that, but I was having Atlantic smoked salmon, which is like notorious for hormones, and then you know, living in the Middle East.

SPEAKER_03: 24:05

Anyway, just what kind of what would you say is a safe fish ratio? Like how how much fish did you have a week, theoretically?

SPEAKER_01: 24:13

Oh gosh, I don't know. I mean, I think as long as you make sure what you're having is safe, um, there's a great there's consumer labs I use. So like I always had thought sardines were safe, but apparently some of the cans of sardin, not the actual sardine, but the cans can um now put arsenic if they're not there's certain brands that are good, certain brands that are not. Same thing with tuna. There's a brand called Safe Catch, and they test every piece of tuna, so you know that there's you know safe levels of mercury because there's not none.

SPEAKER_02: 24:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 24:41

But you know, we can handle a little bit, you know, we're we're okay as long as again, you're as long as you're not doing it every day. So I probably have fish like I'd say no more than three times a week.

SPEAKER_03: 24:51

Is there like particular places in the world that fish is a little bit more leery than others? Like you want to be a little bit more careful? I don't know. Like my assumption would be Japan would be like the best place in the world to have fish, but am I right?

SPEAKER_01: 25:02

I don't I I think you could be wrong on that. Not because like I just don't think there's anywhere in the world, I don't think there's any ocean that's safe. I mean, think of these guys, like there's just so much shit in our oceans, and unfortunately ends in the fat of those fish. So that's why like these younger fish, you know, kippers, mackerel, yeah, um, sardines, all these fish that only live not even a year, they don't have enough time to accumulate that in their bodies.

SPEAKER_03: 25:27

So, in your opinion, it's like I'm one of those people, and I know many more other people are like this too. It's like I will eat the same thing all the time, right? And like um theoretically, that makes it easy to disseminate like, okay, this is amount of nutrients and things like that I'm getting from that. But then also, like to your point, let's say you're overdoing it on fish, which is healthy. Which I was what I was doing.

SPEAKER_01: 25:46

That's exactly what I was doing. I'm like locking in my diet, you know, I'm gonna have smoked salmon, then I'm gonna have tuna. Sure, you know, and I'm gonna be like so. So is variety a good way that we can then yeah, because you're I mean, think about it, it's like you're you're limiting your exposure. So you kind of want to be an omnivore in everything. Same thing, like you know, if you're eating beef every day, it's like, okay, but like where is the cow from? You know, where is it raised? How is it like is it healthy? And okay, so I I'm this firm believer that like our bodies, we can handle a little bit of, you know, I mean, Lord knows I've done some things to trash my body. So, and I'm okay. You know, I'm okay. So it's not this pristine little vessel or anything like that. But at the same time, if I can avoid it, because if I knowingly am going into something like this is not good for me, I'm not gonna do it. But if I don't know, I always feel like it's gonna be okay.

SPEAKER_02: 26:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 26:38

Like it's gonna be okay. If I go to the steakhouse and the steak hasn't, you know, it's not like grass fed and pasture raised, or maybe it was like only grass finished but fed on corn. I, you know, I don't I'm gonna be I'm gonna be okay. It'll be okay. That's always telling me like it'll be okay.

SPEAKER_03: 26:53

So so theoretically, from a lot of fish, you ended up with heavy metal issues.

SPEAKER_01: 26:57

Well, also some dental issues. And I had started school in as a ceramics major, and I thought that wearing like a mask when I mixed glazes was just a bunch of silliness, you know, we didn't need that. Yeah. So when all these weird metals showed up in my blood work, it was like, you know.

SPEAKER_03: 27:13

You know, it's funny, like when I used to do like auto restoration stuff or we had powder coat systems, like because I knew about chemicals and stuff, it almost made me worse. Like at that where and then I would make my employees do it, but then I wouldn't do it myself. And I swear some of the stuff that goes on with me these days was just being stupid back then about that stuff, you know.

SPEAKER_01: 27:32

So yeah, yeah. So I mean, I just my dad's kind of like that.

SPEAKER_03: 27:34

He can be very cavalier about like, ah, that's just a bunch of yeah, you know, you're just being it's almost like when you know instead of mystery, you know, you're like more dangerous with it.

SPEAKER_01: 27:42

Exactly. So um, so she done did it, but in the work that we did together, I learned that I had this MTHFR mutation and just means like it makes it harder for you to detoxify if you're not on methylated, you know, taking either a ton of greens and all kinds of methylated versions of the B vitamins, which help your body detoxify.

SPEAKER_02: 28:02

Sure.

SPEAKER_01: 28:02

So like um, so that was one of them. So I like one wasn't detoxifying as well, two, putting more toxins in than maybe the average person. So then everything kind of backed up and caused some problems. And um, excuse me. So I had um gone through the 12 rounds of chelation, and at that point she says, okay, I'm gonna, you know, we measure every week, you know, this chelation. And then she says, okay, look, listen, everything's in safe levels now. But you know, everything being like, I don't know, there was maybe like 10 different metals. And I'm I'm thinking, okay, well, isn't there a cumulative effect of having even though I've got like every you know, lead and mercury and tungsten in a safe level, yeah, is that like that's lead, like that's three different metals. So like how does that factor in?

SPEAKER_03: 28:51

Yeah, how what's the reactionary?

SPEAKER_01: 28:53

And so she just said you can't keep doing chaliation therapy, that's very, very hard on your body, it's very bad for you. Yeah, so um, so she said, you need like just find natural ways to detoxify. Like, and you know, she gave me like you know, obviously I'm gonna be on this type of vitamin, and you know, you're gonna take fiber and you're gonna be doing charcoal and you know, just every like so and she gave me a bunch of doctors to kind of read about and listen to and just kind of it caused me to really up my diet and look at what I was doing, what I was putting in, and to be a lot more careful about it, but also to choose things that were gonna help me stay healthy. And so I would go on these like protocols, you know. Like, I mean, at that point I I was doing the vegan thing when I saw her, and when I was in the middle of it, we were like measuring my blood work, and she was like, What is wrong? Like, you you should not be on this diet, like this diet is not working for you, and here's why. And she could show me, you know, like with my blood markers. Um, now I I'm not saying it's not right for everybody, but it was definitely not right for me.

SPEAKER_03: 29:54

That's what I was gonna ask. It's like, so you've probably been through a couple diets, and like I would say lean in on this for you, but my assumption is like you have to find the right diet for you more than saying one diet's the right diet.

SPEAKER_01: 30:05

Hundred percent. 100%. Like these people that are doing like the full carnivore and they have like autoimmune issues. I totally get that. I could see how that would really help because there are a lot of things in plant matter that could exacerbate um inflammation in somebody with autoimmunity. I have some autoimmune issues right now, and I had to cut way back on like all my fibers and things like that, and you kind of have to like rebuild your gut. But that's an we can get into that. But you know, um, so I would go on what I call these triads, you know, it's like I'd hear somebody talk about, oh, this diet's so good for you, or that's good. You know, I'm like, okay, well, I'm gonna try it. Like, I'll try it 21 days, whatever, you know, see if I feel any better. And like most of the time, like I didn't really feel anything major, nothing like when I did chelation therapy, which is not a diet and not sustainable, but there was, you know, some marked difference when I could tell I no longer had that level of toxic burden on my brain that I could, you know, my peripheral vision opened up. I was I was in a different place. So um I just start going through this, and now we've got like the internet is a thing because this is like this was like 10, not even 15 years ago, between 10 and 15 years ago. And um, like Rhonda Patrick, I I came out with her podcast somewhere in there. Like one of my doctors said you should listen to this gal, you'd love her, you know, and she's talking about sulfurophane and how it's detoxifying. And Joseph Mercola was um, I would listen to him or read his stuff every day, and he'd have different doctors on. So then I would go read their books, you know, and I would just like try different things. So this was going on and on and on, right? And eventually I find my way, I think Mercola had on Jason Fung, and he's talking about fasting and how it's super good for detoxification. So, you know, in the past, when I would do these kind of detox things, you'd buy all the supplements and you'd, you know, go on this like super like chop all the veggies and everything would be very regimented and it was a lot of work, you know. And he's talking about no, just drink water, your body will like do all the detoxification. And I was like, oh my god, that sounds so like simple, not easy, but simple, right? So I was like, done. I'm I'm in, I'm down, I'm down for this. So then I started following that, and then um I realized, okay, this is kind of hard. And I learn about the fasting mimicking diet. So the fasting mimicking diet, it Dr. Volter Longo, I think he's at sorry, Valter Longo, but I think he's at USC, I think. He's somewhere in California. He's Italian, but um and he discovered this. It was the first time when I heard his book talk about longevity. Yeah, now he's talking about a diet for longevity, and it was like it just all sort of like it was like you know, the sky opened up, and I was like, that's right, that's what we're doing this all for, so that we can like live healthier for longer.

SPEAKER_03: 32:51

Like so you were trying to just feel decent in the day at first, and you're like, Yeah, I just wanted to like also make it like work for the long term.

SPEAKER_01: 32:58

Yeah, I wanted to find the best diet for me, you know, and I knew I would find it because I would feel really good, and I knew I needed to keep like some sort of detox pathways open. I needed to work at it more than the average person, given my chem my biochemistry, right? So yeah, so I'm doing that, and then I hear about, you know, um synolytics, which is about detoxing your zombie cells. You know, you have these senescent cells that kind of sort of refuse to leave the party for a better way of saying that. And then, you know, they then start causing a lot of problems. And so you need to do these either like a fasting mimicking diet, or you can also take some compounds that help your body clear out those senescent cells, autophagy.

SPEAKER_03: 33:39

It's one thing I want you to weigh in on too is like, so you're um obviously you didn't go to college for a long, long time to like learn biochemistry and chemistry and things like that. Um, but one thing I find fascinating is you're known to know a lot about this stuff. And that's important to my bootstrappers because it's like you don't have to go to college to like be amazing and learned at something. Yeah. And like you're such a great example of like going out there, putting in the work. It's like I listened to one podcast and then that led me to this book. And then like I like uh had this one concept or idea. I went and explored that. So, folks, if you're like wanting to find out about something, it doesn't mean you always have to be formally educated in it. No, just go out there and like start nerding out on it.

SPEAKER_01: 34:21

So I was laughing because I'm like the worst student. So I don't know, I've never said this publicly, but it took me nine years to get one bachelor's degree. I had I had I went to two different schools and I had four different majors. I just kept like, you know, I finally graduated with structural engineering, but like chemistry, I had to take college chemistry twice. It was the first time because I I'm uh I was that student that I would walk into class and not do my homework and I would still get an A on the test, you know. I was always pretty good at stuff, right? But I got into chemistry and it was the first time that, like, no matter how much I studied, like I just was like, How do you know there's that many electrons in that shell? Like, I don't understand this. Like, how do you know? And so, whereas like physics, like I was like, no problem. Like, you get it. If I tell you compression, tension, you can feel it in your body, you can kind of like understand it, you know. But like these chemical, whatever. So it was the first, so yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 35:18

It's like learning another language, yeah, yeah. And the sad part is just like another language, you start to lose it. Yeah. I remember I used to look at the back of a shampoo bottle and I would mentally be able to build the imaging out, you know, or like I could draw it out. And then if I was if I was gonna mix my own supplements, and that's what's kind of interesting, is like supplement companies are like the Wild West. And I used to own a supplement company, but I would the easiest way for me was always to draw out the compounds and see if we were gonna have any sort of bone a bond reliance, and like, but nobody does that, right? And so, like, you could be mixing a bunch of BS together and they could be impacting each other and make it speaking of my my competitor, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 35:57

I mean, he's kind of just throwing the kitchen sink at it. I mean, I don't know, I don't know. I don't know. He has, I'm sure he's working with a doctor.

SPEAKER_03: 36:03

You can't throw the kitchen sink at it. I mean, even like so, like the main sugar, and I'm gonna forget because I'm on the spot right now in almost every supplement. I'm building my own supplements these days, but the main sugar in every supplement is um help me here. Do you happen to recall?

SPEAKER_01: 36:17

Uh manose or something like that? I don't know.

SPEAKER_03: 36:20

It's uh sucralose.

SPEAKER_01: 36:22

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_03: 36:23

Sucralose is in everything these days. And sucralose basically is toxic when heated.

SPEAKER_02: 36:30

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that I know.

SPEAKER_03: 36:32

We're putting this like formant foreign sweetener in our bodies. Like, and if you look, it's like look at your supplements at home, folks. Every single one of them almost will have sucralose in it. I'd rather have sugar all day long. Uh give me real sugar all day long, but they don't do that, you know. So, anyways, I digress slightly. No, it's okay. That's okay.

SPEAKER_01: 36:50

Yeah, no, I just had to laugh because I just I was playing pool and drinking beer and having a really good time, and then my dad said, you know, you really tick tock, you gotta you gotta get out. Yeah, like you gotta get going.

SPEAKER_03: 36:59

So I'm I mean the sooner the better, too, right? You know, it's like and muscle has a memory too. So the sooner you start the fitness in the muscle and things like that.

SPEAKER_01: 37:08

Well, so but if so, when it came to like when I knew I had this like interest in nutrition and health and all that, there was no way I was gonna go back to school. Like that was just not on the table for me. I am a horrible student. I am, I'm just I am an experiential learner all day, every day. So now I'm actually putting myself, I just started this whole from paper to plate, and I'm creating my my very own um basically degree in longevity science. And I'm gonna just gonna like it'll be my YouTube channel, my YouTube channel will be changed to this from paper to plate. And I'm gonna educate like myself and then teach, you know how it's like if you teach another person, because this is what I learned in having my my son was like when he would ask me questions, I would be like, you know, oh yeah, I need to like go over that. Let's let's go over that. And you know, so it was really like I I realized the power of teaching somebody else and how much it solidifies what you actually know.

SPEAKER_03: 38:05

It's so true. You know, people ask me all the time, they're like, you don't use your biochemistry degree. And I tell people I use it every single day. Yeah. And biochemistry is complex, right? And so I to understand it, I had to break it down so to simplicity so I can understand it. But once I can understand it, I can explain it to anybody. And I do the same thing with business fundamentals. That's what this podcast is actually about. Is like I like take these things and make them digestible so you can use them in your own life, right? And you're right. And the more I teach it, the more I see it, the more like I get more, not only like to understand it better myself, but mostly like how to explain it better to other people. It's like, oh, okay, that worked really well for helping people understand what debits and credits are, you know, whatever.

SPEAKER_01: 38:45

So yeah, yeah, you learn what lands. Yes. Like, so yeah, so uh the I'll be learning that and hopefully trying to teach it. But look, I just wanted to look at like I guess with the like now with the AI and everything, it because I started reading some scientific research papers, right? I thought, well, I I want to know. I there was this whole thing about sulfurophane and these these um guys, I think there were Chinese factory workers or something like that, and they would drink this broccoli sprout sprout tea. And then it was a very effective detoxifier, as effective as like chalation therapy. And I'm like, come on, really interesting. I want I I want it, like I gotta go to this source. I don't, I don't trust this journalist. I don't like I want so that was the first time I started reading something, and I was like, I can actually understand this. Like, this isn't that hard as long as I can use AI to help me get through the chemical processes. So as long as it would say, okay, I could say, well, what are they saying here? What's the mechanism? Yes, because I understand systems, you know, and I understand how things work. Yeah, but I just don't understand like if he just says that process, I don't know. So, but AI, so with the help of AI, and then I also learned like there's just a beautiful language in these research papers. Like it's beautiful, like the the language of specificity, is I'm saying that right? Like this one word. rhythmicity. I was like, that is such a beautiful word. Yeah. Why don't we use that? Like that's so cool. Like there's just and so I'm enjoying it and then I just like, I need to like organize this and look at how, because this is what I'm I feel like I'm known for and what I've done with everything. It's like I've listened to all these doctors, right? I've read, I've podcasted all this. But really at the end of the day, like I could listen to Huberman for 20 plus hours. At the end of the day, like what does it mean in my kitchen? What does it mean in my life? And how am I going to apply it? How is the average single mom earning a hundred, you know, under a hundred thousand a year going to make this work in her life?

SPEAKER_02: 40:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 40:37

And that's and that's what I feel like I've been successful at. And so I want to be able to do the same thing with these research papers. Like, okay, we're going to read these, but like what does it mean in your kitchen?

SPEAKER_03: 40:47

It's so true. Like how do you how can you actually utilize this in the practical? Like that's that's and that's a big part of what we do. We make like business systems complex too. It's like maybe people know they need an LLC. They've heard that before they don't know why. And we make it really hard to understand why you need it, right? And so oh my God. So it's things like that that I'm very impassioned about bringing that's what we do kind of here. But it's like to your point the same thing with biohacking or anything else.

SPEAKER_01: 41:12

It's like it's all just practical.

SPEAKER_03: 41:13

Yeah. It's like getting people understand a leap pocket is not the right way to go, you know? But you like nobody wants to boil it down to simplicity either. I don't know why that is you know we want to make it so complex. That's ego.

SPEAKER_01: 41:23

You know that's totally ego. Like that's just I I just and I'm not I don't mean it like I say that from my own perspective of my own learning like trying to sound so fancy. You know it's like I'm not trying to sound you know like I just rewrote the intro actually to my whole thing because I was like trying to use a paper to use in the intro and then I realized like this is just I'm just trying to make myself look fancy and and and that's so when you're trying to make yourself found fancy you're this level.

SPEAKER_03: 41:48

Yeah. And then when you're even trying to dumb it down you're usually this level and where you actually need to be is this level.

SPEAKER_01: 41:53

Which says you really understand it though too I mean like if Einstein can explain the theory of relativity to like the average person, which he can, you know, so it's like I was going to bring him up yeah because like it's actually really relevant because he he just said he's like I'm no genius.

SPEAKER_03: 42:09

He's like I'm just really fascinated interested in this one subject. You know and it's like I think that's and that's what you've done with this you know it's like you're so interested into it. You know I think anybody can be good at something they're interested in.

SPEAKER_01: 42:21

Yes. So 100% 100% because you will figure you will figure it out. Yeah. That's it just like that's what we all want for our kids, right? Like we're raising them, you want them to like find that thing they're super into you know and that they're gonna just like chase no matter what. And I do think it takes time sometimes. I mean like for me I didn't find this until I got sick, you know, really so it's 40.

SPEAKER_03: 42:42

And it's it's just like a business. A lot of the best businesses are built out of frustrations, right? It's like you're sick, you have no choice. That's a very good motivator for figuring this stuff out. And then when you start to add these little things like you read the book, you know, and they're like, okay, well I'm gonna try this thing and then it works. And you're like okay I need another book you know it's like I need that new podcast because this little thing worked how can I add the next little thing? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 43:04

And those 20 things didn't work but that's okay. Like I got that one thing and that works and I'm gonna keep that moving forward.

SPEAKER_03: 43:09

It's all an experiment and I I want to nerd out for a slight second, you know, and like hopefully not get too off track. But are you uh familiar with epigenetic theory? Oh yeah oh are you kidding that's like all we talk about and that's what the whole point of epigenetics is right like in so we're looking at in fact so the DNA methylation test that I'm looking at they're looking at like basically the methylation that's sitting on top of your DNA which is this your epigenetics really essentially so folks epigenetics you know broken down simply is like actually in fact your ancestor your ancestor's ancestor your ancestors' ancestors' ancestors what they ate and how they lived your life actually influenced their genetic code and in turn that's what they handed down. And so one thing I was looking at for a long time was diet in relation to epigenetics. So theoretically my theory was if your ancestors grew around grew up around wheat for thousands of generations then chances are you could digest wheat in your system because that was epigenetically handed down. Or sugar, same thing. You know it's like so if we research our family heritage and we could get back far enough and we found out what those original diets are, very, very likely today those are foods that are going to be reacting really well with us. And I think theoretically that is the basis for any good diet and finding the right diet for you because our ancestors could have been from Africa they could have been like and then we have to also think to this there's a great book called Guns, germs and steel if you're love that book. Okay. Yeah. And that is like so cool. Folks it breaking that down really quickly and if you have a different take let me know. But it's like basically if civilization started in one area of the world Africa why is it the least sophisticated place on the planet? And it has to do with the spread of ideas. And really what I got out of the book is like the horse was the biggest introduction not only for war but transport of ideas, right? And it talks about languages and that sort of stuff too. But if you think back on that you can also think back to siloed populations. Siloed populations that only had access it's not like today where you can get popcorn anywhere in the world and you can get meat anywhere in the world you were subjected to what you had in abundance locally. And that could have been wheat that could have been sugar that could have been all these different things and then over time epigenetically you know that's what our bodies can possibly process.

SPEAKER_01: 45:22

Yeah yeah so I want to add two things to that so for people to look more into the I guess the proof for that epigenetics is like was it the Danish hunger winter or whatever what is it the something where like I thought it was Sweden wasn't it was I don't where like the yeah for like they were super like starved and they can see that marker on the genetics of their ancestors.

SPEAKER_03: 45:44

Exactly which is crazy.

SPEAKER_01: 45:45

I mean that's just so cool. That had to do how uh starved their let's say great grandpa was had to do with how healthy they were exactly it was very interesting and you can see that too in any off-screen spring of people that were in the Auschwitz camps as well. There's still their markers there.

SPEAKER_03: 46:03

Exactly depending on what trimester the baby was in when they were in lack of abundance of food.

SPEAKER_01: 46:08

Yeah exactly lack of abundance well they didn't have enough I mean so but then also so I I feel the same way about like okay like I know I'm not really allergic to wheat. However the wheat in America is kind of frankenwheat I mean like the average like sitting on the shelf sure you know there's other varieties of wheat and but even in like Italy they're finding more and more people are becoming um celiac or gluten intolerant. Dr. Walter Longo talks about this too that even like and they don't have necessarily the frankenwheat we have so I don't know if just maybe we just have too much availability of it or like I don't think I mean going back to what we were saying earlier I don't think it's good for any one thing to be you know a lot of your diet yeah I I think that's what's hard. It makes it hard to lock in something but if you lock something in for four weeks and then change it, I think that that's doable.

SPEAKER_03: 46:57

Well can you imagine if you're choosing the wrong thing and it's the abundance of your diet too you know like how disastrous that is yeah. Do you find that actually like so when I lived in Greece for instance, you know it's like I didn't like I wasn't overly healthy in Greece. You know I went down to the village every night and like had whatever I wanted on the menu always followed by dessert. My best friend yeah my best friend like I don't drink but you know like my my best friend became the bakery owner up the street which I stopped 11 o'clock every day and got this big box of donuts and stuff. And then that was like you know like my snack and then like I was working out yes and like but not as hard as I usually do and once a day you know and then but walking around Athens too there's like hills and stuff like that. But everybody would tease me about looking like the statues over there because I was in such incredible shape at the same time. You know it's like what do you feel about like foods throughout the world when people say like hey you know I go to Italy and I have whatever I want and I don't come back what do you feel about that?

SPEAKER_01: 47:53

I don't I I have a tough time with that one because here's I mean having lived in Europe and my sister still lives in Europe I go all the time. They have their share of junk food. Do not I mean like you know full on junk food you could totally just my best friend. Yeah yeah you could be a junk food addict there just as much I think what happens is when people are relaxed yeah they're not they're not snacking they don't have snacks all around I think if if you just eliminate snacks out of your life you'll probably do pretty well but then also they're usually walking a hell of a lot more totally and they're in the sunshine and their cortisol is like lowered you know just there's just so many things happening when you're quote unquote on vacation. I mean tell me now you go and you live there for a year under the regular stressors and you don't have any problems then I might be like okay it's true. I mean I'm I'm not gonna say like like I know German standards like their food standards are here. You know so okay yes the food is way cleaner. I will fully acknowledge that but eating too much is still eating too much. And I just don't think people eat that much when they're on vacation.

SPEAKER_03: 48:59

Well even to your point too it's like the Greek coffee is like this big and they make it last like three hours. Yeah. Which means they're just sitting there having a wonderful conversation they're being heart to heart with somebody lowering cortisol levels and like I want to really get to um uh so you you started to like learn this stuff biooptimized yeah like talk to me about like the contest right it's like how can you involve yeah so we just left off there so I I you know I'm heard about this whole longevity idea then I'm like okay yeah that makes sense so now I start like obsessing over books on longevity podcasts on longevity where whatever I could find yeah and um I eventually find my way to learning about synolytics and so this compounds and I was like I want to try these you know this is going to be talk to me about synolytics.

SPEAKER_01: 49:48

So again these are the detoxing the zombie cells that they help your body um among other things like one of them is a compound called and I'm gonna say it wrong I'm sure physetin or physetin I don't know how you pronounce it okay it's found in strawberries and like small amounts but if you want it in like therapeutic levels you really do have to supplement with it.

SPEAKER_02: 50:08

Okay.

SPEAKER_01: 50:08

So I was like okay I wanna I want to do that. So I'm researching that boom this company comes up it's called Novos and they have this um drink you know that's got synolytics in there and it's supposed to be really good for longevity. And then oh by the way it had vitamin C in there had magnesium malate had um calcium alpha ketoglutarate that I was already reading about there's glycine there's a few other things I didn't really I wasn't up on but you know and I'm not trying to sound like an ad. I'm not I don't I'm not sponsored by them or anything like that. So I'm like I'm gonna try this this sounds great. It makes it easy and then when I like figured out the cost um I was like boom I can like get rid of my other magnesium supplement I'm taking I can just take this it'd be one drink you know so when I go to order it they said hey do you you know we're we're gonna do a study. Do you want to be part of a study? And I was like sure and so you know they said you just need to pay for the tests and then we'll give you product we're we're gonna just do it for six months. So they sent me a test and it was a test by true diagnostic that I had already wanted to take anyway I was already kind of like budgeting and saving to take that test. And so then they're giving it to me at like their cost. So I was like well this is a no-brainer like I'm gonna you know I was already gonna shell out this kind of money I'm already saving money anyway it just all worked out for my budget. I'm very budget conscious so I'm a single mop so I got like you gotta like you know anyway so um I go to take the tests before the product you know before I start the product and um and they wouldn't give me my results. They said no we don't want you to what was the test? It's so it's called it's the do need in pace of aging and they they also give you a biological age but that's a little less that's science pace of aging. Pace of aging. Meaning how quickly from this day forth so like if people think of it like this like if you have that you know you know somebody in your life that smokes or we have twin studies, right? Where somebody's smoking and somebody's not that person who smokes we they're gonna age much faster. So we can speed up our aging but just as much we can slow down our pace of aging.

SPEAKER_03: 52:04

Is this something that insurance companies are kind of using to gauge who's like I don't think so.

SPEAKER_01: 52:08

But it is the same so the test that they use for this to they get your pace of aging but also for your bioage it's something like if I had amnesia in the hospital and I was a Jane Doe, they would use this test to establish about how old I was interesting. So it's interesting though because like it would tell me I'm like 30 something and I'm like I'm not 30 something. So you know what I mean so it's it's very interesting.

SPEAKER_03: 52:32

So the first time you took the test did it say you were 30?

SPEAKER_01: 52:34

No at the first test I came back with a pace of aging of 0.76 which is good. Like you want anything below one because everything over one means you're faster. One is so I'm 57 right now. No I mean in this test in the test I think I was like I mean in real life chronological or by chronological so that it was I'm only used to dealing with one age so I know chronologically I'm trying to think this was probably 2021. Uh-huh 2020 or 2021 when I started yeah so we are what 2025 so four so 53 I was 53.

SPEAKER_03: 53:09

You were 53 yeah and your pace of aging was 0.76.

SPEAKER_01: 53:12

0.76.

SPEAKER_03: 53:13

So you were aging less than a year.

SPEAKER_01: 53:15

So less than your so all the stuff I was doing you know being healthy working out like that was all like working in my favor. Yeah you know but again I didn't know that they didn't tell me they just said now take the product for six months.

SPEAKER_02: 53:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 53:26

Well I go into like six months of probably one of the most stressful times of my life like more than anything I had ever been through. Like life stress was coming life stress where you know you're up all night yeah make sure my family member was okay you know just it was absolutely it was very very very very very stressful. And so I remember they emailed me and said hey it's time to take your next test and I I remember I took the I took their product the whole time because I remember thinking well I'm not gonna let this company down. You know like I would skip eating and like you know I mean I was just in that stress zone where you're just like anywhere so you're not doing probably everything you should not at all. You're taking no working out I mean I was kind of working out here and there I was kind of like you know I mean luckily I had a lot of these things in place you know so I just said listen I'm sorry I I don't think the results are going to be good and they're like well that's okay you know like this is real world results that's all we want. I'm like okay well I'll let me just come I would I was I got to a point where like now okay we were in a place where things were clearly going to get better. So I came home and I was like I need to just one week let me de stress and then I'll take the test you know so I take it and lo and behold my pace of aging went down to 0.68. Wow so that and so anything over three percent is statistically significant. So eight percent I dropped and I like I say like the only thing I was doing consistently was that supplement. So I was like okay these compounds like work. Whether you want to take that company's compounds or not I don't care but like there's something in there that works.

SPEAKER_03: 55:03

What what do would you say so it's slowing down your pace of aging and some of us would say okay great but what do I feel like were you feeling any better from it too?

SPEAKER_01: 55:10

Yeah so I well again it was hard to say because I was very stressed but I did notice like my skin just started like glowing. Like it just was like I mean everywhere I go people are like whoa I mean I don't have the glow as much as but at that point it was like crazy.

SPEAKER_02: 55:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 55:25

And so then like I said I came home and they said well we're gonna do this we're gonna extend the study another six months if you are up for it. And I was like yeah hell yeah because like now I like join the gym I'm working out I So life's problems have calmed down just a little bit yeah I'm getting myself together like everything is kind of like so then I like had read about like Dr. Sarah Godfrey was saying like eat a pound of vegetables a day. So I go on a triad and I was like lo and behold like this isn't hard at all you know like not at all. And then I had been on this other triad where you have like a ton of greens every day and it was good for menopause. And sure enough it was like boom lost seven pounds and in menopause that's like unheard of yeah so um I knew I needed greens I was like okay this is how I'm gonna design my next six months. I'm gonna have you know eight ounces or four ounces of greens and four ounces of vegetables so or no sorry eight ounces of greens and eight ounces of vegetables. So I have a pound of vegetables a day right like not potatoes that doesn't count but you know above ground veggies right so and then I'm gonna yeah and then I'm gonna make sure I have a minimum of a hundred grams of protein and that those are my only two rules. I was like I'm not gonna worry about the beach body I'm not gonna worry about like anything I'm not gonna worry about losing weight I'm just gonna like get myself healthy. And like lo and behold like I start feeling like a million bucks you know like I just am like this is amazing and so then we get my next pace of aging and now it goes down to 0.65. Now again this is all going on I have no idea what the significance of any of this is like the guy at Novus is like no you don't understand like people don't get up and do a VO2 max workout. Like you you are killing it and I was like okay like I'm just I'm doing my thing you know like I'm gonna do this. And um so he said you know do you can you do you mind being a part of this rejuvenation Olympics? You know we're gonna put a bunch of people in the study and the rejuvenation I'm like yeah sure okay you know I'll go in there and um upload my results and this and that and then it turns out like I'm like second place and in fourth place is this guy Brian Johnson and I'm like I don't okay you know and they're like do you know and I was like no I don't know who he is but I'm when they first started this rejuvenation on X, you had like the person, you had their initial pace of aging, their current pace of aging and then their average pace of aging and their age and their protocol.

SPEAKER_02: 57:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 57:44

So and they were ranking for your age because it's very well known and you can see this like in elderly people or young people when you're very old or very young your pace of aging accelerates. So the older you get the harder it is to slow down your pace of aging. Right. So if you're 80 like you know like it's does that mean you want to start as soon as possible?

SPEAKER_03: 58:05

Yes. Okay.

SPEAKER_01: 58:06

You want to start as soon as possible. So but if you're 30 you can easily slow down your pace of many people at like 0.46 you know like that's in their in 30s.

SPEAKER_03: 58:14

I'm like yeah okay but is the default also to feeling better? I know I keep hitting that but it's like oh you will feel like a million bucks.

SPEAKER_01: 58:21

I mean I don't want to say like a million but like everything is clear. I never get tired.

SPEAKER_03: 58:26

I never like so is it a good enough measure to be like if you can get this decent measure in pace of aging chances are you put everything else in alignment you're gonna feel good too.

SPEAKER_01: 58:36

You're gonna be you know healthy fit you know that and like that could be the indicator you know and so I the to tell you if you're doing a good job with all the other stuff that will actually have all these positive yeah in fact yeah I mean there's like there the the guys that are you know the kind of the biohackers that are they're doing these tests all the time they'll do one after vacation oh yeah my pace of aging like sped up you know or like that kind of you can see that stuff I just I mean these tests are like 500 bucks a piece so I'm not gonna do one more than once a year.

SPEAKER_03: 59:00

So um there's so much here you know it's like I'm it comes to mind George Burns you remember that guy yeah used to smoke the cigar you know my God yeah totally so theoretically was that guy like so there's no way he did drank the big whiskey every day ate the bad food you know all these different things so if he had like slowed down his pace of aging would he have lived to 400 you think or was there like a method to the madness to that like experiment on the opposite side that was keeping him alive.

SPEAKER_01: 59:27

I mean there's something about like 120 I forgot what the hay flick limit and they think that we can't live past 120 but then there's this whole longevity escape velocity that like we're gonna figure out treatments. So you just need to like extend your life that one year and then that one year and that one year and then eventually you'll you know it'll be this interesting escape velocity. I you know we're not there yet like we can't even do it in mice so much less us. Brian Johnson would like to live forever, isn't that kind of that's his thing yeah don't die I think I mean again I don't know him. I've never spoken with him and I um no even like

SPEAKER_03: 1:00:00

In the beginning of the show, I talked about his son that he gets blood donations from. I think he's pretty open about that. I don't think it's pitching.

SPEAKER_01: 1:00:06

No, it's on his documentary. Yeah. And he explains it. I mean, at first you're sort of like, what? But when you understand that therapy, you don't want to just go get, you know, stem cells. And it g there's a very clear mouse study where they've done this and it's, you know, it's very powerful. Like, I mean, if my son said he would do that for me, I would, but I would never ask him. Yeah. Like that's just way too big of an ask.

SPEAKER_03: 1:00:27

How much do you know recall how much he's spending a month on like this stuff?

SPEAKER_01: 1:00:31

I know at one point he was spending like two million a year. Like when we were competing, yeah. I'm going at like$100,$150 a month. If you count my veggies, like if you only counting my supplements for longevity, I spend less than$100 a month. And that includes my gym membership.

SPEAKER_03: 1:00:46

And he's is he's spending a couple, I think he's worth$400 million, folks. So he's something like that. He's he's got a lot of money and he wants to live uh a long time. And so he's got the I always think when I think of him, I think of like remember the Rocky movie when the Russians all uh like geared up with all the things and they're making him the ultimate weapon, you know, or whatever. So like I think of that with Brian Johnson. He's like, I'm sure he's got an incredible team of doctors that they're constantly discussing things. He's probably constantly getting tested, you know, he's probably constantly trying the newest stuff. You know, we all know it's like even you know, it's like if you can afford the stuff, it is an edge, you know. It's like, and that's what I found incredible about your story in like an underdog scenario. And like the story's weaving out even better than I thought because it gives a great example of so many different things that I think are important to other underdogs is like focusing on the thing you're so interested in, right? Podcasts are free, books are not much money, you know. It's like, and you've become so hyper focused on it, you've gotten to the point where you know it enough, right? That you can spend a hundred dollars and somebody else is spending millions and you're still competitive, you know? And like if not a couple different times, doing a little bit better, I think.

SPEAKER_01: 1:01:53

So at that point, I was doing much better than him. Yeah. Um, now he's gone on to slow his pace of aging even further. But he's doing more, you know, stem cell treatments, like sure. I mean, he's doing all kinds of stuff that I wouldn't, I wouldn't even if I had the money, I probably wouldn't get into, you know, some genetic stuff. Yeah, I wouldn't get into that stuff. But um, but I'm also in the do-dye camp, as I say, you know, like I don't really want to I don't want power over aging, I just want power in how I age. And I want to make sure my health span matches my lifespan. I'm watching my parents age, my dad's struggling with dementia and different heart issues and you know, this and that. And then my mom has got Parkinson's, and it's just like it's just so, so sad to watch. And I just, you know, every day that I think I'm not gonna go to the gym, I'm like, if you want to avoid Parkinson's, you better get your little happy ass over there and and work out. Talk about that.

SPEAKER_03: 1:02:43

Why is working out helping people avoid Parkinson's?

SPEAKER_01: 1:02:46

Uh, I there's something to do with the muscles, building muscle, BDNF, um, also like just learning new things. Like you just really want to be uh creating a healthier, better brain. So that's that dopamine system, which I think has a lot to do with and I don't know, I'm still figuring that all out.

SPEAKER_03: 1:03:04

Actually, I read an article the other day, and this guy was talking about how like um instead of like so, on one hand, hyperfocusing towards something you're interested in is an incredible way to get really good at it, like you're talking and be like a world leader in that thing, amazing at the business thing or whatever, but you also don't want to overview or uh not be looking into and have diverse interests, especially as you age, because that will fire different neural pathways in your brain. Yes. I'm uh even seeing amazing sites. I was reading, like is a different way that you're firing different synopsis in your brain. So where learning one subject over and over again, hyperfocused, is using a certain amount, but incredibly well to your direction of like accomplishing things, but then eventually you want to get to the point of diversity too. So you're firing different sections of your brain, and theoretically, that's what this guy was saying was helping him like put off some of those effects of aging. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:03:58

So yeah, yeah. I mean, I find like I get like that. I hyper focus, and then it's like all of a sudden like, okay, now I need to read a fiction book. I need, I need, like, I just need and I need to listen to music, I need to turn off the podcast, like I need, you know, and I know it, I can feel it usually in my in my brain, actually.

SPEAKER_03: 1:04:13

Music is such an interesting thing. And like uh we had uh Barry Goldstein was around recently and he's uh Emmy Award winner, and he like really focuses on the medicinal standpoint of the um music. He's tied to Joe Dispenza, I think he does like a lot of his musical stuff. And he says a lot about like dieting music the same way you diet anything else, you know, and using music, you know. It's like, and I've started to do this in my own life, give your life a soundtrack, right? When you wake up in the morning, do something upbeat, you know, when you're going to bed at night, do something a little bit calmer, you know. It's like, and they've proven over and over again, like the have you seen the water studies, for instance, on music? I'm gonna ruin them, folks, so please don't kill me here. But you know, it's like they'll basically subject water and then freeze it to different types of music. And if it's the like disorganized, like crazy like rap music or heavy metal or that sort of stuff, the water will look disorganized actually, and like very um uh like I guess organized the best way I can put it. And then the classical like music will actually, when frozen, it's this beautiful, like organized spectrum. Wilds, where's so much water, right? You know, and so like think about the physical aspects of that. I think there's a time and a place for the hardcore heavy music gets you through the gym workout, but then maybe there's a time and a place for And there's studies on that.

SPEAKER_01: 1:05:28

There's studies on that, that that actually does help you reach your goals a little more, the hardcore music. And then there's, and this is not I need I haven't looked into it because it's just one of those Instagram things, you know, but like that. Um chill out, no, is it chill out? No, um house music is good for slowing your pace of aging, apparently. There's some tie between now again. I have not read the studies.

SPEAKER_03: 1:05:53

So we're gonna start seeing Brian Johnson at all the EDM concerts.

SPEAKER_01: 1:05:56

I think he's kind of in it. Well, he he and um Steve Aoki.

SPEAKER_03: 1:05:59

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:06:00

Yeah, yeah. I think they're buddies, but I don't I don't know because Steve started following me on Instagram. So I was like, oh, I don't know. That's awesome. I know. I was like, it's I was like, whoa, okay.

SPEAKER_03: 1:06:10

What so a lot of people are probably asking after you about like the secret, right? And you're on secrets and stuff these days. So what okay, give me first one thing you'll do, like as the general person out there in the world, what's one thing they can do at first? Like, what's the most impactful first step?

SPEAKER_01: 1:06:26

I think if they're not moving, you gotta move. Okay, you gotta like get 10 minutes and if like go for a walk, or if you're a single mom like I was, and I couldn't leave the house, like I was not the one like I could put my bed kid to bed and go walk, like and leave him there alone. I'm like, there's that is not gonna happen. But you could do squat air squats, like there's actually a lot of research on like one minute of air squats, like three times a day, can be as effective as like a 30-minute walk, or even more so than that, like especially on the impact on your blood sugar. So, like there are very small things that are very impactful. That's that's one of them. I just movement movement, I think, is like critical. But I'm also about this whole like open the door and make it so easy that you can't not do it. Like, you know, make it so like if when you're done with those 10 minutes, you feel like you want to do more, but don't let yourself like you know, and then just build every month, okay. Now I'm gonna add 10 more minutes, and now I'm gonna add 10 more. Like, and if you're not eating any vegetables, like start with one vegetable, like just go get a carrot and make sure you eat a carrot every day. And then next week maybe it's a piece of celery, and then like four weeks, like you're gonna do two pieces of vegetables or you know, something like that.

SPEAKER_03: 1:07:31

It's I I love that, and I'm gonna use that as an open door to like weigh in on my thoughts on like getting involved with the gym and personal trainers. Please don't get a personal trainer that's gonna kick your ass the first day. Oh my god, like I that frustrates me so much. It makes no sense whatsoever.

SPEAKER_01: 1:07:48

You feel you feel accomplished, but then like a week later, you're not gonna go back. Yeah, you're gonna be like, you don't have time to be that sore, and it's just like, and I think this is our thinking, at least my thinking had to shift. I always, you know, being a young woman raised on this the in LA on the beach, you know, is always like, okay, beach body, you know, we got eight weeks, we're gonna like be on this crazy hardcore diet, you know, blah, blah, blah.

SPEAKER_02: 1:08:11

Yep.

SPEAKER_01: 1:08:12

And to like shift my thinking from that to I'm gonna eat this way the rest of my life. I'm gonna exercise like this the rest of my life. So I got time to figure this out. Yeah. As long as I'm doing it, you know, as long as I show up. And like, like I can always tell people like they come to the gym, you can tell they're kind of nervous, and you know, I always just smile at them and just think, you're here.

SPEAKER_00: 1:08:34

Good for you.

SPEAKER_01: 1:08:35

You are here. Like that's all. And like, and in fact, like I'll tell everybody like in the winter, my bed is so cozy. Yeah, I don't want to get up at 4 30 and go anywhere. So I just psych myself up. I'm like, you know what? All you have to do, darling, is go sit in the sauna. Sauna is a cardiovascular workout. That's all you have to do. And then, of course, I walk in the door and I'm like, Well, I might as well lift a few weights, you know.

SPEAKER_03: 1:08:58

I mean, it just My best workouts come from the days I don't want to go. Yes. And I call it just like I tell myself, Tyler, just go have a stretch. And my way of having a stretch is like I will do the same stuff, maybe on machine weights instead, very low weight. Yeah, and then the next thing I know, it's like I'm getting everything going a little bit, and then like that stretch becomes one of the best workouts I've had, you know. It's like so I think most of life is just showing up.

SPEAKER_01: 1:09:20

Yeah, right. I mean, we have to listen to our bodies. I'm not, you know, up for like, oh no, just push past it. Like, we don't need to. I'm not training for war here. Like, I'm just training for the rest of my life. Like, you know, I'm training to be an old lady. Like, that's really what I'm training for. In fact, I that's what I told the gym guy when I went to sign up for EOS, you know. He's like, Well, what are you training for? And you wanted to like hook me up with like a trainer. I was like, Oh, I'm training for old age. And he laughed. And I was like, I'm not, I'm not joking, I'm training for old age. I wish he was like, you know. And so I just think you have to put it, you if you put it on the longer scale, it's easier to go, okay, I'm gonna do this 10 minutes until I can do it. Like, so I'm working on stretching every day. Yeah, I am horrible at like getting that done, but it really solves all my back issues, every like any tension I have, if I would just stretch, and I've learned like some other good things about it. So now I'm like, okay, I just gotta make the windows. I was not doing it, not doing it because I was making it too complicated. Yeah. So then I turned it into like brush my teeth, one stretch. Now I'm successful at it. And then that one stretch will turn into two, and that, you know, but I'm gonna build it out over a year, not like I'm just gonna boom, I'm gonna make myself do this, and you know, like that's just another side of that same coin of not being good to yourself.

SPEAKER_03: 1:10:29

People don't realize, like, I tell people all the time, it's like this is the worst you're gonna ever feel. Like if you have no exercise, no diet in your life, this is the worst you're ever gonna feel. Like you can feel better starting tomorrow. Like that, like if they really realize like how good they can feel, and like living in Greece, like I talked about, you know, it's like I went on a cruise one time and like I'm watching all these older people that have and it's so sad to me. They're the nine to five workers, the backbone of society of American economy that have just like that have done the right thing their whole life. And now they're retired and they're in Greece and they're seeing these amazing sights of the world and they can't even walk a mile to see it, you know, and it's just so sad to me. And that's why like the sooner you start this stuff, it's like lifting weights improves bone density. Like there's a muscle, like uh remembrance to muscle in your body, you know, it's like your body remembers how to build muscle if it's done it before, you know. It's like there's so many reasons to start early and it's moving.

SPEAKER_01: 1:11:23

So good for your brain. Like, I mean, I've watched my son just go from, you know, I mean, get your kids involved in it. Like, I I'm so grateful. He was never really interested in sports, but I'm so grateful. I took him to the gym because my dad had done that with me when I was younger. He had us just we had to go to the gym, and I he's like, You could do an aerobus class, you could do whatever, but I want you to go to the gym.

SPEAKER_02: 1:11:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:11:44

And he just wanted us to be comfortable. And I did the same with my son. He never wanted to play sports or anything like that. And I thought, okay, that's fine. Like all my brothers were like triathletes and you know, like they weren't like team players. I'm like, okay, you know, he'll learn it somewhere. But and going to the gym, and I got him a trainer, and he never he didn't stick with it. I mean, he was like, I don't know, 10, 11, 12, but he didn't really care. I was just like, I just want him to, when he comes back to the gym when he's 14, 15, 16, it's not an unfamiliar place, you know, that he understands what it feels like to be in there. Yep. He doesn't feel scared. It's not, and I just I wish like all kids. And so then when he, sure enough, you know, he turns, I don't know, 16, 17. Now he kind of wants to start getting jacked, you know, and he starts going to the gym. It like erased depression. Like he, you know, no off all medications, like just it's amazing how good weightlifting is for your brain. And people were just only beginning to discover that. And I I don't know enough about it to to talk about it intelligently. But um, like Dr. Rhonda Patrick, there's um oh gosh, what's her name? I can see her, she's super beautiful. Um I'll figure out her name and you can put her in the show notes. Um anyway, more and more people are talking about this, you know, and just how important it is that muscle is for your brain.

SPEAKER_03: 1:13:00

I mean, in every way, muscle is super efficient if you build it, right? And uh, and then you get to the point where you've done it enough years, you don't even do it for the look. You know, you start out like wanting to be the jacked kid or whatever, yeah, and then you realize like I do this for my mind, you know.

SPEAKER_01: 1:13:14

It's like for sure.

SPEAKER_03: 1:13:15

It it's an incredible life-changing thing. And that's why, like, not only did you have a tremendous amount of uh uh tremendous underdog story, you know, competing against somebody that like you spends two million dollars a year when you're spending twelve hundred bucks a year.

SPEAKER_01: 1:13:29

And winning. We didn't get to that part, but I was second place and he was fourth. But now, like I said, it's all changed and he changed the rules and everything at all weird, but whatever. You know, it's I don't care.

SPEAKER_03: 1:13:37

I mean, and then like hyper focusing on something you're interested in and becoming really good at it, you know. It's like so many good pieces of um advice today, you know, and not only that, but like the biohacking, you know, information that we kind of went through itself. And so like that's what I really wanted people to get out of this episode.

SPEAKER_01: 1:13:53

Oh, I want to leave uh three people with three things. This is how I look at things. So, first of all, I mean, this isn't really part of it, but it's you know, always focus on what you have, but you know, figure out like what your um intention is. Like, what do you want to do with whatever it is, you know, whether it's make a million dollars, whatever. Like for me, I had to look at like, well, I don't want to live forever, but I want to live super well, like while I'm here, right? Yep. Why? Why? Well, like at the when I started this, my son was very young, and you know, I was his I am his plan and his backup plan. Like, you know, like I gotta be here for him. My brother, unfortunately, was killed very tragically, and I knew like overnight this whole thing could be over, and then he'd be left here alone. Wow. And I remember thinking, I've got to take care of myself. Like, you know, I want to be here for him and raise him. So, like, I that was my initial why. Then as he's gotten older, it's still like I want to witness his life and be there for him if I can, but then seeing my parents and what they're going through, and I'm like, I will avoid that at all costs. So that's my why. And then I sit down and figure out my resources. I'm like, okay, this is my budget. I don't have$2 million. I have, you know, hundred, couple hundred bucks I can spend on this every month. What can I do from that perspective? And oh, by the way, I work from home, so I got a lot more time, you know, like I these are my or and or like you could put in that bucket of resources. Oh, I know somebody who's a, you know what I mean? Like what who your friends are in your in your world. And so you just, if you frame everything from the from that perspective, when you open up the world of biohacking or whatever it is, that when all that information comes at you, and it's gonna be so I mean so much information about any one topic these days, and you won't know how to sort it, you know. It's just like if you can just keep those things in mind, you can like, oh, okay, that that treatment costs like two million dollars. Okay, well, that's just not in that's not on my board right now. I don't even need to think about this, but I can afford this supplement and let's see if that works, you know? And then you just it it just it clears up all the mental space, and that's the part like same thing with aging, like we want to decrease our stress, you know, really like that's a very important part of it. And so for me, that decreases stress to like put everything through that filter and just always look at what can I do? What are my resources, you know, and why am I gonna do it? You know, what do I really intend here? And that's yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 1:16:11

That's actually a beautiful message for anything in life, business too. It's like too many people are like, Oh, I don't have X, so I can't start Y business. You know, it's like the average business start cost is six thousand dollars now, and people will think it would sit around and wait for an investor.

SPEAKER_01: 1:16:25

I've started businesses on nothing. Yeah, I was a graphic designer and actually so same thing. Like I wanted to be a graphic designer, I had a bunch of friends. Somebody was like, Oh, I don't need this computer that's got all the programs on it, I'll just give it to you. I was like, okay, you know, I fit figured out how to buy a printer and just you know, I mean, it just if you want it, it will happen.

SPEAKER_03: 1:16:44

I agree a hundred percent. It's it's a really good message because don't figure out all the ways you can't do it, figure out the ways you can. And then quite often, I bring this story up a couple different times, you know, but actually it's relevant. You know, it's like this guy wanted to be in the belt business. And the belt machines at the time were like$200,000, right? And so instead of saying, oh, I just can't fundraise$200,000, I can't be in the belt business, he went out and he like went to Home Depot and copied the machine, built it himself. I think it cost him$10,000. And that machine now is the new standard for making belts. There's too many stories like that. You know, it's like people need to stop making excuses. If you want to actually do it, go out there, get a podcast, get a YouTube channel, get like get moving, right? Figure out the way you can do it. If you can't do it with$2 million, you know, figure out the supplement you can have today. Like it's it's such a good message. Like, so many good messages in this. I hope we didn't go too high level on the science and you know, like that sort of stuff, but I'm an absolute nerd for it myself. So um enjoyed the conversation immensely. Any other special messages for the audience?

SPEAKER_01: 1:17:44

No, that's it. Just, you know, go get at it. You got it. Like you got this, like you got this.

SPEAKER_03: 1:17:49

What a great understalker story. So, folks, so much to unpack there. Thanks for joining us once again. Want to thank my great guest. Thank you. You want to plug social media channels?

SPEAKER_01: 1:17:59

Uh yeah. So I'm at Julie Gibson Clark on YouTube and Instagram, and JulieGibsonclark.com is my website, which I'm redoing right now. So yeah. And the and the whole new series, I'm gonna start introducing this paper to plate's coming out November 5th. It'll drop.

SPEAKER_03: 1:18:12

I'm excited about that. It's like get interested in stuff and then go at it with all your might. Einstein didn't sit there and say, like, oh, I can't do this because of this. He found his interest, he went for it. Same with you, you know, and so like get started at what you're interested in today. If that's business, don't figure out all the ways you can't do it, right? You don't need two million dollars to start anything. And make sure your body's in shape along the way because you're gonna need it as a tool no matter what. That's right.

SPEAKER_02: 1:18:36

That's right.

SPEAKER_03: 1:18:36

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