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Ep. 225 Today's Peep Says Goodbye to Cooper Kupp (much to my dismay), The New Woke Snow White, Inclusion Includes Dwarfs, Plus some Sugarloaf on a Rainy Day
Cooper Kupp, one of the most beloved Rams players, is leaving the team after eight incredible years that included a Super Bowl win and triple crown season. Disney's Snow White remake sparks controversy with unconventional casting and the decision to use CGI instead of actual dwarf actors, raising questions about authentic representation in Hollywood.
• Cooper Kupp released from the Rams after providing unforgettable moments for fans
• His performance in the NFC Championship against 49ers considered one of the most important Rams games ever
• Kupp's winning touchdown in the Super Bowl cemented his legacy as a Rams legend
• Disney's Snow White controversy centers on casting Rachel Zegler and using CGI instead of dwarf actors
• The irony of "inclusion" that excludes actors with dwarfism from rare employment opportunities
• Highlighting actors like Patrick Walsh and Michael Dunn who found success in dwarf roles
• Exploration of Sugarloaf's "Green-Eyed Lady" from 1970 and its fascinating recording history
• Original nearly 6-minute version versus the radio edit that became the standard
Welcome to the Pats Peeps podcast number. I love this number. 225, 225 podcasts Feels like a milestone for some reason 225 podcasts, 2025. It's the 12th day of March and, as I look out my studio window into the beautiful foothills of Northern California, the sun has gone away. But that's okay. It is raining Right now. At the moment it's not, but it's going to be Matter of fact.
Speaker 1:I hope I make it through this podcast. It's been kind of glitchy. My equipment's been kind of. I hope I don't have a power outage. It's a Wednesday. I hope you're doing well.
Speaker 1:Thank you for being part of our ever-growing Pats Peeps audience. Oh, please, I will keep reminding you if you would go to patspeepscom. Man, that wind is blowing out there. Let's see if you can hear it whistling. You might not be able to hear it. I'll bet if I open my window. Hold on, all right, hold on, see if you can hear this. Maybe you can't. It was literally whistling through here. Oh, I can feel it Sitting here by my wood stove, keeping nice and comfy, toasty, a little too toasty. Wind kind of feels good.
Speaker 1:But here on 225, I'm a little sad because my team is losing Cooper Cop man, one of my favorite players. Let's see what else do we have today? Oh, a cool song I picked from my rare 45 collection. I really like this song. Glad I picked this one today. The 49ers got one of my Rams. Marcus Robinson went to the 49ers, made me kind of sad.
Speaker 1:I'm going to talk about Snow White, but let's just kind of bounce it around. I'm going to bounce it around the room a few times, see, let's start with well, what the heck? How about Cooper Cup, my man Cooper Cup. I'll just start. I won't get too far into it, but I am sad to see Cooper Cup, my man Cooper Cup. I'll just start. I won't get too far into it, but I am sad to see Cooper Cup leaving the Rams and who knows where he's going. I will say this I'm a long, long-time Rams fan, you know that, and Cooper Cup's one of my all-time favorite Rams.
Speaker 1:He's 31. He's had some injuries. He had a base salary of $12.5 million. I don't like getting into all the salary stuff, but it plays into it in sports Sometimes. You know, plus you have the salary caps. You have to do what you have to do. It's an ugly business in that regard. But today marks the end of an era, cooper Cup era with the LA Rams. I mean I just can't imagine Coop in another jersey for another team, especially like I heard the Cowboys maybe no, play back no. But yeah man, he's leaving the organization. They had to release him before the start of the new year. They were trying to trade him. They didn't get any trading partners Based on, basically, his age, the fact he's been injured.
Speaker 1:This man was a triple crown winner. He is so smart. I mean I almost wouldn't put it past him. I don't know that. He has a personality to be a coach or coordinator, but you never know what's in his future, maybe an analyst, what have you. But he's got a great personality. I love the fact he never, ever, celebrates when he gets into the end zone. Other than banging helmets with his teammates. He hands the ball to the referee. That's how he was raised and he penned a heartfelt goodbye to the team today, eight years, he says, of incredible memories.
Speaker 1:We talked often about the Rams being back in LA, how we would grow to be something special here. Thank you for the shared moments. Thank you, la, for welcoming my family with open arms and allowing us to grow here. Next chapter begins now. Best is yet to come. What else is he going to say? You know, and he didn't want to leave. He doesn't want to leave his buddy, matthew Stafford. But I'll tell you what he has provided some of the greatest moments for Rams fans in the last well, ever, to be completely honest with you including what I would determine to be the most important game the Rams ever played.
Speaker 1:And you might think that's a Super Bowl and it might be the Super Bowl, but in my opinion you know I've said this before they had to beat the 49ers at SoFi. You know the Rams come back from St Louis. Now they're trying to establish themselves in LA again. A lot to do there, the Dodgers. You know there's a lot going on, but these are the Rams and they have a history in LA, and so they're trying to win the fans back, and what better way to win the fan base than to win. So now they're playing a team that had beat them like nine times in a row, and now they're in the NFC championship game at SoFi. The Rams have an opportunity to win on their home field and then win the Super Bowl at home, because it was going to be played at home that year they would have been only the second team to do that, after Tom Brady and the Buccaneers had done it just the year before. So with that on the line and facing that losing streak to the 49ers, cooper.
Speaker 2:Cup and Matt Stafford hooked up. It was an awesome thing to see. Matthew lets it fly.
Speaker 1:He's got Cup, cup breaks the tackle and gets the first down. Awesome thing to see. Unless you're a Niner fan and there was a lot of and part of the reason that I say this was the most important game a Niner fan and part of the reason that I say this was the most important game a lot of Niner fans were at that game. Sofi is a big place and if the Niners would have won that game they would have just celebrated on their field. Then the Super Bowl the Niners would have played at SoFi on the Rams field.
Speaker 1:The Rams motto is whose house? Our house, rams house? Whose house? Ram's motto is whose house, our house, ram's house? Whose house Ram's house? The Niners win, they would forever adopt that slogan Whose house Niners house? It would have been embarrassing. I would have had to live with that here in California forever. But if they lose the Super Bowl, if they beat the Niners and lose the Super Bowl, then it's oh, that's right, you lost to the Bengals. I remember that. But it would be living hell for me, for me as a Ram fan living in in Niner country.
Speaker 2:But here comes Cooper Cup they're down and one Stafford end zone cop got it touchdown. Rams made it a red zone and just an outstanding route he got and that made it a close game.
Speaker 1:But there was one play that really stands out right here there's cup needs blocks.
Speaker 2:Got him first down inside the 30, now the 25.
Speaker 1:Okay, there's two then, because that was in sequence. That play was huge, huge play on third down and 10 or whatever it was. But the next play is really one of the coolest plays that I've seen the Rams do.
Speaker 1:Stafford throws Pass Caughtopp still rumbling Kopp down to the 12 that was a moment where they stretched his shirt out to pull him down or he would have been gone for the touchdown. And when he gets up for a guy who never celebrates a touchdown he had such intensity that when he stood up he just screamed and looked up at the air. And that moment I was fired up. So were the Rams, so were the.
Speaker 2:Ram fans. Here's Odell Beckham here. You got Emmanuel Mosley across from him. They're running four-cross zone Four-cross right here Under got Emmanuel Mosley across from him. They're running four across zone Four across. Right here. Underneath it's Kopp. Fred Warner closes down.
Speaker 1:It will be fourth down and San Francisco uses their and the Rams end up winning the game. Then the Super Bowl, the Super Bowl, the Super Bowl. They go on to host the Super Bowl at home against the Cincinnati Bengals Pass.
Speaker 2:Cup, got it Touchdown.
Speaker 1:Cooper Cup gets the winning touchdown for the Rams in the Super Bowl. Oh, my, cooper Cup gets the winning touchdown for the Rams in the Super Bowl. By the way, he's wearing in the highlights, in these particular highlights in the Super Bowl, he's wearing number 10. I have his original jersey, which is number 18, roman Gabriel's number, my friend Randall rest in peace. That was one of his jerseys which I inherited and wear proudly for Randall. But there goes Cooper Cup. Farewell, my friend. I'll tell you again, you'll always be one of my favorite favorite Rams. Again, you'll always be one of my favorite favorite Rams and whoever gets Cooper Cup is going to be a very. It's going to be a great acquisition for them, because I still believe Cooper Cup has got a lot in the tank.
Speaker 1:Another story that I just thought I would get to today is how about this? You know they're going to release what is it this month? They're going to release the new Snow White movie. Disney's Snow White will not hit theaters until March 21st, but that can't come soon enough. It's already just embroiled in controversy. I love using the word embroiled. Thank you so much, hey, for so many reasons.
Speaker 1:Now Ken Dogg is my movie reviewer, ken Dogg and I, to be honest, off air, I bring this controversy up. I don't want to belabor the point on my show all the time and be the sourpuss, the buzzkill when it comes to movies, but these kind of things bother me and, believe me, I could take a while to talk about it. But Disney let's face it has become a woke company in terms of their movies, everything they do woke. I consider them woke, they think they're progressive and now there's all of this controversy. Can you believe what? The Snow White movie, and how do you get to this point where it's just you know, so just such a controversy?
Speaker 1:Well, snow White comes under fire in very ugly fashion and that happened almost immediately in 2021, after the casting of Rachel Zegler, who was of Colombian descent, for playing the famously quote skin as white as snow character. Snow White, you know, and you can think of so many other examples, I can. You know the production, likewise, originally cast a diverse group. So the Snow White thing played by Rachel Zegler, of Colombian descent, is one thing. The production originally it's Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs. Come on. Now they can't even call it Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs anymore. The. Now they can't even call it Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs anymore. The production likewise originally cast a diverse group of actors of various sizes and genders to play the Seven Dwarfs, which was met with uproar and mockery, of course, from purists, which it should have been when set.
Speaker 1:Photos leaked and the characters were then reworked with CGI to appear like the dwarfs in the original film. I have an idea. How about you use, I don't know, dwarfs? I mean so two years ago, zegler strongly suggested this is so ridiculous that she did it. Well, and that's fine. If you don't like the original film, fine, that's up to you. But she did a trio of TV interviews, different outlets, calling the original extremely dated. Oh really, no kidding, you mean from the 1930s, extremely dated? Is that what you mean?
Speaker 3:You've told me before that your version of Snow White is different and it's more of a 2022 version of Snow White.
Speaker 2:Really.
Speaker 3:What did you mean by?
Speaker 4:that I mean. You know, the original cartoon came out in 1937, and very evidently so.
Speaker 1:Evidently so. Why? Because it has beautiful animation. Is that why? Because it had a white woman named Snow White? Because it portrayed dwarves?
Speaker 4:I mean this is ridiculous. There's a big focus on her love story and an uptalker at that.
Speaker 1:I hate these uptalkers On her love story, as if you know the uptalk thing is like. I hate these uptalkers On her love story, as if you know the uptalk thing is like do you understand what I'm saying? Can you follow?
Speaker 4:that focuses on her love story With a guy who literally stalks her.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, a guy who literally stalks her.
Speaker 4:Weird, weird, you're weird.
Speaker 1:Okay, this was like 19,. What, what did you say 1938?
Speaker 4:So we didn't do that this time.
Speaker 1:Oh you're so much better, you told me before that, your version of Snow White is different and it's more of a 2022 version of Snow White.
Speaker 4:What did you mean by that? I mean, you know, the original cartoon came out in 1937.
Speaker 1:1937. So apparently her generation is far superior to the generation of 1937 in terms of movie makers and in terms of the you know what? Snow White is a classic movie. So no one really cares about your woke opinion about the movie, Because of course Disney was not going to use a white actress, because somehow that would be including whitey. It would be mean oppressing others, others. What a bunch of horse manure that is. It is okay to still put some white people in roles that were formerly, you know, played by white people. It is okay to put dwarfs in a movie. You're not being racist, you know you're not. Tell me how many parts before I get to that. How many parts before I get to that? How many parts exist for dwarfs in movies? More of Rachel and her wonderful? Here's her apology.
Speaker 4:And to everyone who hates when I win.
Speaker 1:We hate. I was just telling my friends the other day I hate when Rachel Zegler wins. You know what my friend said to me who's Rachel Zegler?
Speaker 4:The winged victory came to the Louvre in pieces. Oh, no, and people still line up to see her. Oh, wow, and I can only hope that, despite my flaws and despite my cracks and my breaks and there are many of them oh, no, oh no.
Speaker 1:She said yeah, you're progressive in one way, but then you're still making that effing backwards story about seven dwarfs living in a cave together. Oh no, someone wrote a fantasy story about dwarfs living in a cave. Oh no, it doesn't impact real life. Disney responded to uh um, oh, is it? Dinklage concerns, stating that it's consulting with the dwarfism community to avoid reinforcing stereotypes from the original animated film peter dinklage, who expressed concerns about the original animated film Peter Dinklage, who expressed concerns about the original film's portrayal of the Shut up, they're dwarves.
Speaker 1:Come on, dude, who are you, peter Dinklage? The decision to use CGI. So they used a variety of sizes and genders of people and then somehow squeezed them into something that looked like dwarfs, because everyone was horrified when they released the original footage.
Speaker 1:Like hey, those aren't dwarfs, those are weird people. Snow white and snow not so white. And the weird people so much better. And the weird people so much better. The decision to use CGI instead of actors with dwarfism has been met with criticism. Really, how about this? These are from the same people who talk about inclusion, inclusion, diversity and inclusion. Right, there's this growing emphasis about diversity and inclusion Well, in Hollywood too. But you don't want to use dwarfs, so you're excluding dwarfs. Everyone's excluded except dwarfs. Sorry dwarfs, you got to go. Sorry dwarfs.
Speaker 1:By the way, the original was cartoons. They weren't even real people. They were, you know, cartoons dopey and grumpy or whatever. Critics have also accused Disney of being politically correct and woke for changing the characters. Others have criticized the decision to use CGI instead of acting. Okay, all of that. So they replaced the seven dwarfs with seven, let's see seven, just people, like I say, of various sizes and shapes, and then just turned them into these animated dwarfs. Well, here's a couple of people. Let me just think about this. I started to think about that for a second. How about Patrick Walsh? Patrick Walsh, you know, patrick Walsh was a dwarf. I love these dwarves.
Speaker 2:I hope. I hope it's home to where we go Come on.
Speaker 1:I hope, I hope. Oh, I'm so offended by this movie. It's home to where we go. Clearly it's so outdated. Jeez, I hope. I hope I love this.
Speaker 1:And you think about this how many jobs are there for dwarfs or little people or whatever the politically correct thing is? I respect what someone wants to be, whether it's little people or dwarfs, and I don't find this is making fun of anything. I think it's very positive. These guys work. I know a lot of people that don't work and I don't know them personally. You know.
Speaker 1:Here's another example. Oh, pat, you shouldn't play that. Why. This is one of the most memorable scenes ever. Come on, why. I mean, they did a wonderful job. You're not going to get a lot of people, a lot of jobs, I should say, for dwarfs. You know?
Speaker 1:Another one I think of is Michael Dunn. Remember Michael Dunn? He played Megalito Keote Loveless in the Wild, wild West. Remember that guy? He was nominated for a Tony Award for the best featured actor in a play for the Battle of the Sad Cafe. He was also up for the Academy Award for the best supporting actor in Stanley Kramer's Ship of Fools.
Speaker 1:Born in 34, died too soon, 1973, at the age of 38. And yes, the word dwarf is perfectly acceptable to most dwarves, just not Rachel Zegler and the people who made this movie. And Michael had known for his roles, like I said, in the Wild Wild West and apparently he was also in Star Trek, which I did not watch Star Trek, but they talk about inclusion. But nope, sorry, dwarfs, we can't do that. And as far as Patrick Walsh, patrick Walsh, if you watch the movie Wizard of Oz, the flying monkeys, with the wicked witch who, by the way, in the new movie is no longer white, whatever, captain America isn't either, but okay, whatever you want to do. But Patrick Walsh was an American dwarf, he was a character actor. He was actually a circus performer. He specialized in impersonating and portraying animals and he was best known for playing Nico, the head of the winged monkeys, the main winged monkey. That was always with the Wicked Witch of the West in the movie Wizard of Oz, which is one of my favorite movies yeah, 1939. And he appeared in only a few films. Most of his work was in theater in vaudeville, in circus. Yeah, that was Patrick Walsh. When you see the movie next time, the one that's always looking at the, you know the inner crystal ball with her. He's standing there looking at her. That's Patrick Walsh, and they're looking at her that's Patrick Walsh.
Speaker 1:So apparently this is now the big controversy. You know what it reminds me of? Wasn't it Mickey Rooney? Didn't he play? What was it? Was it Breakfast for Tiffany? He played like Mr Yunioshi, or something like that.
Speaker 1:It kind of reminds me in a way of that, because I remember, even as a kid, my mother must have been watching, uh, breakfast at tiffany's, and back then you would see like white actors playing asians. You would see white actors literally like Jewish guys playing headhunters on Gilligan's Island, when they apparently had never seen a white man before on this island. But yet they were played by guys named like Harvey Sheckstein, sheckstein, you know, shecky, shecky Greenstein, I mean, you know something like that. They were hilarious, they were fun. But I mean, come on, you know. So it kind of reminds me of that.
Speaker 1:If you have dwarfs and they need work, why can't you put them in a movie? And in the movie isn't she like, is she animated? I guess she's animated Whatever. I'm not going to be seeing the movie, I guess she's animated whatever. I'm not going to be seeing the movie, but Mr Yunioshi in Breakfast at Tiffany. As much as I like, mickey Rooney, perhaps should have been played by an actual, you know a Japanese person who he played, a Japanese photographer, right, it's kind of a parody though, like you can't do blackface without getting in trouble. But we can do that, mickey Mooney, and it's considered a great movie. So my point is why couldn't you just have a Japanese gentleman play that part? Why can't you have dwarfs? Give them work. There's not a lot of opportunities. I think I made my point on all of that. I almost gave the phone number for my show to see what you thought about that.
Speaker 1:By the way, I am the host of the Pat Wall Show on KFPK Radio in Sacramento, 93.1 FM, 1530 AM. I hold in my hand a record that I have plucked from my rare record collection shelf here, one of my shelves. This is on Liberty Records. Pull it out of the sleeve. Here it's in a different kind of sleeve. It has an actual sleeve that it came in. It's not one of the green generic radio sleeves that I normally pull out from the radio station.
Speaker 1:The record is in good shape. I'm not going to say it's in mint, but it's in very good shape and I love this song and most people think this song, if they can even remember the name of this band, thought they had only one hit. They actually had a couple of hits, one of which I played on a previous Pat's Peeps episode, and this song does or this record does have a B-side to it. The label is black. It's got a picture of the Statue of Liberty on the record. It's got a little sort of a rainbow variation there on the edge of the record label. So I'll tell you a little bit about this.
Speaker 1:One Popular single by this American rock band, written by Jerry Corbetta, jc Phillips and David Reardon, featured on the band's debut album, was their first single peaked at number three on the Billboard Hot 100 in 1970. I remember this is one of the records that my buddy, brad McNally, and I had. We had it on a 45. One of us did, and then Brad had those record players. It was like a little plastic record player. You put the record on like a close and play whatever they called those. You put the record on, then you close the lid and it would start playing. We close and play whatever they called those. You put the record on, then you close the lid and it would start playing. We had this record that we used to play in that. I remember that it was 1970, rpm Magazine's number one single for two weeks. It's been featured in dozens of compilation albums.
Speaker 1:There was a longer original version, which I love, and then the shorter edited version for radio. The single released in the US in three different versions share the same catalog number Liberty 56183, but different matrix numbers on the record labels. Let's see the original single release, lb28060s. What do I have here? Let's see if the original single release LB-28060S what do I have here? Let's see if I can find it Was a 5 minute and 58 version.
Speaker 1:5 minute and 58 seconds that's pretty long for a single. No edits, but an early fade out. Okay, that's cool. Almost immediately after the last verse that happened, they faded it out Was edited down to two minutes and 58 seconds. On the mono stereo promotional single LB2860 DJ copy and then LB2860S DJ copy Sort of a stereo record, dj copy for Radio Airplay in which the entire organ and guitar solos were edited out. When the song started climbing the charts the recording was reworked one final time which included a shortened piece of the organ and guitar break. On the single LB2860SRE that has become the common 3 minute and 33 second version used by the radio stations today and this one is let me look three minutes and 33 seconds. So it is that version used by the radio stations.
Speaker 1:I love the original version because of the lengthy intro. Yesterday I was complaining about lengthy intros. Today I'm praising the lengthy intro. Lengthy intro. Yesterday I was complaining about lengthy intros. Today I'm praising the lengthy intro. Aside from other minor edits, the two shorter tracks begin with the opening stirred bar and also end with the early fade outs. The album version ended with a cadence in the organ.
Speaker 1:I've always loved the song. Let's see Did very well in Canada. Number one, number three on the Billboard Hot 100. In. The song let's see Did very well at Canada. Number one, number three on the Billboard Hot 100 in the US. The original version of Sugarloaf's Green-Eyed Lady had a lengthy intro. So so that's three times on that intro so far. Love the bass groove, groove. We'll see how long it takes before he begins singing Pat's Peeps 225. Thanks for being there. 122. Green-eyed Lady. It took him one minute and 22 seconds to get to that. Now, if you listen to the single edit, much different. So we'll listen to the single edit One time. Now, right into the song, see they cut out the other two parts of the intro and he starts singing 30 seconds in, versus a minute at 22.
Speaker 3:Rolling slowly towards the sun. Green-eyed lady, ocean lady, soothing every raging wave that comes. Green eyed lady, passions. Lady dressed in love. She lives for life. To be Green-eyed lady feels life. I never see Setting suns and lonely lovers free.
Speaker 1:You can really sense the edits if you know the original song. The great keyboards here. Green-eyed Lady receiving generally positive reviews. One reviewer calling it a jazzy and memorable tune. One reviewer calling it a jazzy and memorable tune. John Laycock of the Windsor Star called it a bewitching single. But the song did have a B-side Green-eyed lady. So what was on the B-side of that cool classic tune? Well, it is a song called West of Tomorrow. West of Tomorrow, flip it over. All right, here is Sugarloaf and the flip side of that West of Tomorrow.
Speaker 2:After midnight, while the gray light paints a new day, Misty hour. Love and power. Find a new way. Love and power, find new ways.
Speaker 3:Whole world sleeping Young love stirring While the night goes, blue stars fading Curtains playing by a window, by a window, by a window West of tomorrow.
Speaker 2:East of today, love explodes into a righteous day, sending me so high, I'll always stay.
Speaker 1:I can see how that would be. The B-side Sounds like the perfect B-side, nothing overwhelming or too too exciting. By the way, for those of you wondering, I said that Sugarloaf had a couple of hit songs. The other one, if you remember, is Don't Call Us, we'll Call you, where they actually use the record exec's phone number on the buttons on the digital phone or on the push-button phone in that song. It's pretty catchy. Hey, thank you for listening to the Pats Peeps podcast number 225. Very grateful for that. Enjoy your day. I hope you're healthy and we'll see you on the radio. Let's talk tomorrow.
Speaker 2:East of today.
