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Ep. 252 Today's Peep Didn't Age Well: Yesterday's Normal Becomes Today's Cringe, From Atomic Dirt to "Mr. Cig" the Strange World of Vintage Marketing, Film Day in School, and Memories from the Pink Panther Bar's Juke Box (circa 1967)
From radioactive dirt in beauty products to cigarettes marketed directly by doctors, the cultural landscape of yesteryear provides both amusement and horror when viewed through a contemporary lens. Pat Walsh delves into this time capsule of questionable content spanning the 1940s through the 1980s, uncovering advertising, music, and educational materials that simply didn't stand the test of time.
Broadcasting from the foothills of Northern California, Pat begins by reflecting on his approach to radio and podcasting. Despite industry pressure to focus on serious news and politics, he's discovered his audience craves something different - lighthearted topics that provide relief from the day's heaviness. As Pat puts it, he aims to be "the respite at the end of the day," much like Johnny Carson and David Letterman once made "the world okay" regardless of what was happening in it.
The journey through cultural artifacts begins with a 1980s commercial for "AYDS" diet candies - a brand name that became catastrophically inappropriate with the emergence of the AYDS epidemic. Pat shares childhood memories of his mother storing these caramel-like treats in the refrigerator, creating an unintentionally disturbing memory. We then encounter a 1950s beauty advertisement proudly demonstrating product effectiveness using "atomic dirt" and Geiger counters, housing films enthusiastically promoting asbestos siding, and perhaps most egregiously, cigarette ads claiming "more doctors smoke Camels than any other cigarette." Plus, a hospital visit from "Mr. Cig" who hands out smokes to patients.
The exploration of questionable content extends to music, specifically Gary Puckett and the Union Gap's 1968 hit "Young Girl," with lyrics that raise serious red flags about age-appropriate relationships. In a coincidental twist, Pat concludes by playing another Puckett record from his collection - a rare 1967 promotional copy of "Woman, Woman" that presents another dated perspective on gender relations.
This episode offers more than just a look at outdated content - it's a reflection on how social standards evolve, often without us noticing until we look back. What was once mainstream can become unthinkable in just a generation, raising questions about what aspects of our current culture might seem equally shocking to future audiences.
Subscribe to Pat's Peeps podcast for more thoughtful explorations of culture, music, and the everyday experiences that connect us across time. You can also catch Pat on the Pat Walsh Show on KFBK Radio in Sacramento or streaming through the iHeart app.
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Speaker 1:Welcome to the Pat's Peeps podcast, number 252. 252,. Thank you, patspeepscom. I love doing this and you know, what I'm really loving is I take a look out my studio window into the beautiful foothills of Northern California on this, which I believe is the last day of April, which I can't believe, april 30th 2025. Look out my studio windows in the beautiful foothills of Northern California, freshly sprayed with Roundup, which is kind of freaking me out. I'm going to be honest with you. I've never done that before, but I did it. I don't even know if I did it right. I was all masked up and everything. I know somebody like that. It's not good for the environment. I wouldn't do it if I didn't do a little research. Anyhow, I'm not good. I don't want to go down that road. It's all green sun shining, it's a beautiful day, um, yeah, and so, wherever you are, thank One of the things I wanted to mention. You know I'm also, by the way, pat Walsh, who hosts the Pat Walsh Show on KFBK Radio in Sacramento, 93.1 FM and 1530 AM, streaming live on your free iHeart app. But you know, like last night I got so many calls from people. Boy, we were having fun on the show last night.
Speaker 1:A couple of notes about the show last night. One, how many people called, not just on the topics I was getting to, but also to tell me they were listening to this podcast now. Thank you, thank you. I had people. One lady called and said, you know, I had just I think her name was Stephanie and she said uh, you know, pat, I only caught on to your radio show about three months ago and again, I've been on, for we're going on 12 years, but people catch on at different times. And she says now I've been listening and I'm listening to your Pat's peeps, and I had several people calling and saying they're listening not just to the radio show but to the podcast. That's very exciting, very, very exciting, and thank you for that. All right, so that's one thing. Here's the other thing that I learned about my radio show, and I would certainly say that's probably about the podcast as well.
Speaker 1:I used to debate this all of the time. I used to debate because, you know, kfbk is a very prestigious station. It's been there. It's a heritage radio station but it's got a lot of listeners, and so I've always had this thing in my head. I used to debate.
Speaker 1:Well, should I do the big, serious stories of the day, which is never really what I wanted to do. Sometimes you can't avoid it, sometimes you have to do that. You just can't look the other way. And one thing about it in talk radio it's again the only medium where you can have people call in and give their opinion about the stories of the day. You know, can't do that in a newspaper. I mean you might get lucky enough to get in the editorial section then, you know. But you can't do that with tv. But I mean you could throw your comment up online if you want, but on radio people hear your voice and your passion, and so there are times when you have news stories, of course, where, hey, I feel like the audience might have something to say about it. And generally you do, and I love that about radio. It's one of the many things I love. Plus, you just can be so creative with it.
Speaker 1:The thing I was debating is do I do these big stories on a regular basis? And you know what Everyone does, that the big story of the day? Everyone dips into politics and I'm just going to be brutally honest with you about radio. You know, it's right, doing a talk show is not easy. It just is not easy. But some people because it's not easy mindset. I have a very different mindset again, being just honest with you than many talk show hosts, because a lot of the talk show hosts just go out and pluck the top stories of the day from the news. Then that's what they're going to talk about. It's much easier than trying to stay away from those things and trying to be very creative and come up with other things. And I do that because, the way I look at it, this stuff's been talked about all day long. Some of this stuff, and a lot of it, isn't pleasant. It doesn't put you in a good mood. I also like to not only mix in you know the stories that need to be addressed but I also like to have a good mood. You know kind of get away from it. So I used to debate do I do these serious topics every night or am I a person you know the respite my show, the respite at the end of the day for those people who are still listening to radio, who are working, who are at home listening to radio, whatever you may be doing? Last night was a good example and this has happened more than once.
Speaker 1:I remember one time when the Mueller report was going on this is still an inside joke between my boss and I, bill White and myself, between my boss and I, bill White and myself I was so bored with the propaganda and the rhetoric and the Mueller report that was just being pushed Every day by certain news outlets. Quote air quotes, news propaganda. Anyhow, I don't want to go down that road. So I said on my show. I said, hey, as we started the show, I'll give you the phone number and you could call in with one, one or two things just to start, cause I just want to want to do a little test here. You could call in and talk about the biggest news story of the day, which is the Mueller report. Why is it the biggest news story? Because the media, much of the media, is pushing it. They want it to be the big story. Or you can call me and you can give me a song that poses a question. Okay, like I don't know, I'm just trying to think of one off the you know, when it comes to Vine first, maybe not that many people know it why Me by Planet P Project or Planet P why Me. It's just a song that poses a question. So, the point being, I didn't get one single call, not one call on the Mueller report, but my lines were jammed up. Why? Because they wanted to give me a song that posed a question. Last night, same thing.
Speaker 1:I said look, I heard Kitty O'Neill talking about the fact and I heard all the other news outlets talking about the back Trump's first 100 days in his second term. And, uh, I just threw that out there. I had something much more light-hearted planned trying to keep my CS. I'm smoking a cigar, I'm trying so hard to keep it lit. I'm not really overdoing the cigars, even though it's past Lent, but, um, I'm not really overdoing the cigars, even though it's past Lent. But so, 100 days, trump's 100 days in office.
Speaker 1:I kind of did the same thing. I threw it out there hey, do you want to give me your opinion on Trump's first 100 days in office here in the second term? 916-921-1530, 800-834-1530. I throw it out there Not one, not one call. And I knew it. And I told, I told the audience, I told my listeners hey, I've had it too. The shelf line for that topic is like it's hit its expiration date to me. Fine, I don't feel like talking about. Not one opinion on that.
Speaker 1:As soon as I flipped it to the topic that I called as Seen on TV, scott Robinson from Beyond the Humidor podcast was on with me, as he is on Tuesday nights, and we flipped it to as Seen on on TV, which were products that you may have purchased through an infomercial on television at one point and you either really used it or you bought it. You thought it was a great idea or a great investment. You know the food dehydrate or whatever. We touched on that a little bit on the podcast previously and my phone's jammed up with calls. It's amazing, people telling great.
Speaker 1:So it has become very clear to me as I do my show and as I do the podcast that people are looking for the respite at the end of the day, the more lighthearted things, things that people can really relate to, things that people can really relate to. And for those of you who called last night and told me how much you appreciated that, it's just amazing to me, honestly amazing. People will call me, they'll call my radio show. I'm not making it up, I'm not going to say any names. They'll call the radio show and say oh, pat, you can't believe what a difference that your radio show has made in my life. All I was trying to do is, you know, be funny and entertaining or whatever I could do. I'm just trying to do radio the way that I wish people would do. It's just my own thing. But it's so gratifying that that you guys don't mind me goofing off a little bit and being that rest. But to me and I'm not putting myself in any category with anyone I can just tell you who I was influenced by and I've said it before.
Speaker 1:You know, at the end of the day, johnny Carson made the world okay. Letterman, it made the world okay. Leno, it made the world okay, no matter what was going on. They could be lighthearted about it and it wasn't politically based. They'd throw in a little, they'd pepper it a little bit here and there with a joke about politics, whatever it was, maybe a couple of jokes, but it didn't matter. Whether it was Republican or Democrat, it didn't matter, it was just fun. Or Democrat, it didn't matter, it was just fun. And more than anything, it put a smile on my face. It made me feel like everything was okay. So thank you for again, for listening to the show and to the podcast.
Speaker 1:Speaking of so today on Pat's Peeps podcast 252 I was thinking about. I can tell you it began with a song, how this top. Now I started thinking about this, you know, which was basically kind of a inappropriate song. I always thought, like this is so weird, this song because you know I'm always going to get to music at some point and then which branched off from that into various other things and it's just very I. It's just very strange and quite coincidental that the song that spurred this topic when I went to pick out my record today for my rare, for my rare record collection, my 45s, to play for you at the end of this, it's the same artist. I'm like you gotta be kidding me. It was. It's not the same song, but it's the same artist.
Speaker 1:So, stuff that didn't age well, okay, stuff that didn't age well. So I have a few random selections, right after I say I don't get into politics. I'm not going to get into politics, this is not targeted at anyone, but it's just stuff that didn't age well. I think this was on God. What was One of the late night shows, one of the late night talk shows? I'm sorry that I can't remember, but here is former two-time president Barack Obama.
Speaker 2:President Obama will go down as perhaps the worst president in the history of the United States. Exclamation point At real Donald Trump, obama will go down as perhaps the worst president in the history of the United States. At real Donald Trump. Well, at real Donald Trump, at least I will go down as a president.
Speaker 1:Okay, Didn't particularly age. Well, said the two-time president. How about this one? Go back to 1983. Boy, right about right around a little after 1983, somewhere in the 80s, and I don't exactly recall when, but it wasn't long after this. Well, I'll let the what the? I'm going to try to tie this together. Well, I'll just play it for you 83, in 80, mid 80s or whatever, the AIDS epidemic began, If anyone recalls what year that was, I'm not sure, but 1983's unfortunate commercial for a diet candy.
Speaker 3:I was overweight and looked terrible, but AIDS helped me lose 46 pounds. The AIDS diet plan helped me lose 28 pounds.
Speaker 4:AIDS helps control your appetite so you lose weight. Yet AIDS lets you taste, chew and enjoy, and the appetite suppressant in AIDS is not a stimulant.
Speaker 3:AIDS helped me to lose 18 pounds. Oh God, it doesn't contain anything to make me nervous.
Speaker 4:Question why take diet pills when you can enjoy AIDS? Aids helps you lose weight without making you jittery, oh God.
Speaker 1:Those things look like caramels. I remember when my mother would get AIDS. God, I never thought I would say those words together. Can you imagine I just said that and she'd put them in the refrigerator and she'd say all right, you kids don't get into this box, this is not candy, but they look like caramels. They had peanut butter aids. As soon as she went to bed or left the room or whatever, we went and grabbed the AIDS. That's right, we grabbed the AIDS. How about this shocking cosmetic commercial? Talk about didn't age well, talk about freaky 1950s cosmetic ad using atomic dirt to prove its claim busy you in and out of doors every day.
Speaker 3:think how much dust and dirt settle on your skin and makeup clings to your skin too and clogs pores. That's why your face needs a thorough cleansing each day and that's why cleansing tests were made by an independent testing laboratory. This same kind of dirt was made just radioactive enough to register on a Geiger counter. Leading cleansing creams, complexion soaps and Dorothy Gray Salon cold cream were used to remove this dirt.
Speaker 1:Oh, my God, the.
Speaker 3:Geiger counter proved that Dorothy Gray Salon cold cream cleanses up to two and a half times more thoroughly.
Speaker 1:Let me break out the Geiger counter for the atomic dirt.
Speaker 3:Than any soap or other cleansing cream tested. When you cleanse with Dorothy Gray Salon cold cream, you know you removed dirt Atomic dirt Wow. Atomic dirt.
Speaker 1:Man, where are you? Which village are you living in with the atomic dirt? Ah, yeah, it's a four-bedroom. They're trying to save the house. Yeah, this is a nice, cute little place here in the middle of the block. It's got a four bedroom. It's got like two baths. Right, it's got a den. You got your den. It's got the sunken living room over here. It's got the bar.
Speaker 1:Now, the only is there a downside. Well, listen, there's no downside. One of the upsides the kids can play in the atomic dirt. You know it, it makes them strong. You know, it's like an upside for this. How about this?
Speaker 1:Here's 1950s. Here's something that didn't age. Well, oh, I love this. I love the sound. It's like the old films.
Speaker 1:Remember, in school I always loved when it was film day. You would say that you'd see the film projector in a class and I'd be thinking, all right, film day, I can either nod off, the lights will be out. You know film day and you know. But then, like, sometimes you had to take notes, but sometimes you didn't have to, and it would always be a film way out of date, you know, and it would always be that kid, like the film kid in the class that somehow knew how to run the projector, the teacher would be up there. Mrs Fox, all right, kids, we're going to show a film today. And hey, good, playing on atomic dirt A little bit. All right, we're going to play a film today. Bobby, you know how to run the projector. Yes, mrs Fox, you know, he always had that nerd kid Didn't always be the other nerd kid that wanted to be the light monitor. Can I turn off the lights, mrs Fox? Oh sure, charlie, you know he's over there. He wants to be part of it. And they hit that film, that old film.
Speaker 5:It'd be like 50 years old, and I love the sound of the projector going you'll find a scene like this in nearly every village, town and city throughout the country, for in the hopes and dreams of everyone there's a home they can call their own. Home brings a sense of security to a man and to every woman. Her home means a setting for gracious living.
Speaker 3:And probably the most important step is the one these young people are going through right now and we'll have the living room right in here and the kitchen right here so we can see the children that's right with my pool table.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the children, children, children. What children? Say you have children. But let's go to this part here. This is a 1950s film. All right, here we go. All right, here we go. This is good. Didn't age well. Pat's Peeps 252. Mainly for sidewalls.
Speaker 5:You know, industrial research has given us a lot of materials designed to do a specific job better and made to plan specifications, for instance, rayon and then nylon Materials, which make fabrics more beautiful and easier to care for than natural ones, and new plastic materials like this are light, strong and durable. Oh, that all sounds really good. What could be, the downside.
Speaker 5:Look at Beautiful. What's the downside here? And science also created asbestos saw a grouping which has made buildings safer and more durable. It was natural that the scientists would turn to asbestos, for this is a remarkable mineral, actually stone. It is made up of tiny but extremely strong and flexible fibersined with Portland cement. These fibers act as a reinforcing agent, just as steel rods are used to reinforce concrete. Being stone, asbestos will not burn. In fact, it is best known for its use in all fields of fire protection. M2,. The great success of asbestos combined with Portland cement in the roofing field Made it a natural choice in research for a better siding. Oh Sure, sold. From long testing and experiment, there came asbestos cement siding. Strong and tough, it could be handled and applied like ordinary shingles. It was given every conceivable test. Applied like ordinary shingles. It was given every conceivable test.
Speaker 4:This machine called a weatherometer in a few days duplicates years of weather conditions.
Speaker 5:This material won't rot or decay so it doesn't need paint to preserve it. However, it can be painted if the homeowner desires. This is Mrs Adams. Hello, mrs adams we've been admiring your new home well, thank you.
Speaker 3:In fact, it's over 30 years old we love it.
Speaker 5:However, we did have new sidewalks about 10 years ago tell us, mrs ad, what has been your experience with these asbestos cement sidewalks. Oh, this nagging cloth.
Speaker 3:Well, we've been very pleased. Joe, that's my husband.
Speaker 1:He's dead now.
Speaker 3:Got an FHA loan to have the job done. He figures that what we've saved by not having to paint the walls every year Sure offset it by the deaths. Has more than paid for the new siding Sure and the funerals certainly has improved the value of the place yeah, yeah, try selling that place now.
Speaker 1:Ah, here's a classic speaking of not aging.
Speaker 2:Well, you know if you were to follow a busy doctor as he makes his daily round of calls, you would find yourself having a mighty busy time keeping up with him. Time out for many men of medicine usually means just long enough to enjoy a cigarette. And because they know what a pleasure it is to smoke a mild, good tasting cigarette, they're particular about the brand they choose. In a repeated national survey, doctors in all branches of medicine, doctors in all parts of the country were asked what cigarette do you smoke, doctor? Once again, the brand named most was Camel. Yes, according to this repeated nationwide survey, more doctors smoke Camels than any other cigarette. Why not change to Camels for the next 30 days and see what a difference it makes in your smoking enjoyment. See how Camels agree with your throat.
Speaker 1:See how mild and good tasting a cigarette can be. Yeah, I went to the non-filtered Camels I'm not kidding you when I was a smoker, way back when. I don't know if there's any Next thing you know I'd have. You know, I was 18, I had to have. I got tonsillitis and I had to have my tonsils out. They didn't want to do it at that age but it was necessary. Again, I don't know if there was any connection to that.
Speaker 1:I heard the other day, like cigarettes are $12 or $15 a pack now. Oh my God, I was stunned by that, by the way, and I went to tell this person. I said you know how much cigarettes were when I, when I quit smoking? And when I told them, they said don't say that on the air because everyone's going to know your age. But it's true. Oh my god. Oh my God. Speaking of that, how about Mr Sig? Mr Sig, did you know that in 1948, there was a I don't know, I guess it's a mascot, a costumed guy they called Mr Sig. He was a human-sized cigarette and, not making this up, he'd visit the hospital patients. He's a big old cigarette with a smiling face and he'd hand out free carcinogenic smokes. Hey, here you go. What's?
Speaker 6:your name, lewis, here you go Lewis.
Speaker 1:Here you go, lewis, have a smoke. Yeah, mr Sig, he would hand out smokes to the patients in the hospital, with full backing from the tobacco industry. That's right. By the way, they are the same people who ran that ad for camels in 1946, basing the survey there, the false survey on the uh, to imply that medical endorsements by doctors for camel cigarettes. Oh, my goodness, I don't. You know what made me think of it. It all started me thinking about this.
Speaker 1:For some reason, I either woke up thinking about this song or I heard it. I can't remember. You know, every day I wake up there's a song in my mind, the song just rolling around in my head every day. I don't even know why, where it comes from. It's always very random, and so I wake up with this song in my head. This morning it's looping and looping. This song came out in 1968 and it was on the jukebox at the Pink Panther, the Pink Panther bar that my dad used to go to. They had cartoons of my dad on the wall and where they would play pool.
Speaker 1:In the Pink Panther bar on Franklin Boulevard in Sacramento it was my first job, was working there as a 13 year old. I'd ride about five miles a day on my bike to go down there about 5 am and go clean the Pink Panther bar. Steve the owner, who was a friend of my dad, when my dad was down the street from Campbell's Soup, my dad was the assistant plant manager there and he told me. So he got my dad, got me that job and Steve told me that you know, pat, any money you find on the floor under these bar stools you can keep. Inevitably I would find money under the barstools. I think Steve was throwing it down there for me as a tip. You know back then if you found a $20 bill, that was saying something. So, but on the jukebox there at the Pink Panther they had this record. Every time I hear it it reminds me of that jukebox.
Speaker 1:And then Gus's barbershop was next door. He looked like a Mexican movie star. He could cut hair and he'd take us. My dad would take us in there like on a Saturday. He'd take us in there in the morning, sit us all in Gus's barbershop. He'd say I can hear my dad now. Gus give him the works. And then my dad would go next door and start hammering a few false staffs, jukebox playing in the background, dark bar. It's 1230 in the afternoon, sunny outside. Anyhow.
Speaker 1:This song was by Gary Puckett in the Union Gap, instrumental backing by the members of the Wrecking Crew. I'll have to do a podcast on the Wrecking Crew sometime. You talk about fascinating, but it was released in 1968, went to number two on the Billboard Hot 100 for three weeks. It was stuck behind Sitting on the Dock of the Bay by Otis Redding for the first week and then Honey by Bobby Goldsboro of all things for the remaining number two spot. Went to number one on the UK singles chart. I went to 34 in the easy listening, went to number two in South Africa.
Speaker 1:But it's a song called Young Girl by Gary Puckett in the Union Gap and I used to think what that's. Those lyrics are kind of creepy to me. I mean, listen to what this guy's singing. If you know the song young girl, I mean what's this guy singing about? Young girl, get out of my mind. My love for you is way out of line. Better run, girl. You're much too young girl. Oh God, with all the charms of a woman, you've kept the secret of your youth. You led me to believe you're old enough to give me love. Now it hurts to know the truth. Yeah, wow.
Speaker 6:Get out of my mind. My love for you is way out of line. Better run, girl. You're much too young girl With all the charms of a woman. Ooh.
Speaker 1:You've kept the secret of your youth. I actually, you know, I always liked the song before I ever listened to the lyrics. I'm like what? Wait a minute To believe you're old enough to give me love? Hey, what are you talking about there? Stop it. Oh, I don't know what's going on there. I guess it's from the point of view I don't know what's going on there. I guess it's from the point of view I don't know. I don't know what it was from the point of view of a man who has become distressed upon finding out that the girl he's with, contrary to the first impression she made upon him, is actually younger than the legal age of consent. So he's asking her to leave before things go any further. Get out of here. So maybe he's being responsible there. But then he says get out of here before I have the time to change my mind, because I'm afraid we'll go too far. Hey, pal, stop it already. You already know the age. You leave that alone, stop it anyhow.
Speaker 1:And then I pulled the record out. So that was just looping in my mind. And then I go to pull the record out of the 45 collection and what do I pull? Gary Puckett and the Union Gap. I could not believe it, not young girl, though this is uh on a white label Columbia. It does have three stickers on this record. It's uh got one that says 2482 this is all from the radio station. One that says 63 in yellow, and the other sticker says 1967.
Speaker 1:Mmm. Not for sale. Promotional record Single by Gary Puckett and the Union Gap from their 1968 debut album Woman, but it says 1967 on here. Written and composed by Jim Glazer and Jimmy Payne. Uses the session musicians, like I said, from their Wrecking Crew. I'm going to do a podcast on that. It's kind of a ballad centered around Gary's soulful vocals.
Speaker 1:This one, though, is from the perspective of a man who senses that his wife is dissatisfied with him sexually and fears that she's going to start to cheat on him because of that. It was a song inspired by Jim Glazer and Mel Tillis. Discussing Tillis' song Ruby, don't Take your Love to Town. Great song. Song went to number three on Cashbox, number four on the Billboard Hot 100, early 1968. But the band recorded this song in August of 67. So see, you have that sticker on there that says 67. So this is very rare. Released as their debut single in September, it was certified as a million-selling gold disc in February 68. So this is really. That tells you what this record is. Came out in 67. So this is September 67. That record's been sitting in this record sleeve. Here it is Gary Puckett and the Union Gap. This is put it on the turntable here a song called Woman, woman, woman, woman.
Speaker 6:Woman, woman, woman, woman, have you got cheating on your mind? On your mind? Something is wrong between us that your laughter cannot hide and you're afraid to let your eyes meet mine. And lately, when I love you, I know you're not satisfied. Woman, woman, have you got cheating on your mind? On your mind, on your mind? I've seen the way men look at you when they think I don't see, and it hurts to have them think that you're that kind, but it's knowing that you're looking back that's really killing me. Oh, woman, have you got cheating on your mind?
Speaker 1:On your mind. Thank you for listening. I do appreciate it, patspeepscom. Thank you, patspeeps 252. Have a beautiful Wednesday. See you on the radio.
