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Pat's Peeps Podcast
Ep. 271 Today's Peep Celebrates a Golden Milestone: 50,000 Pat's Peeps Podcast Downloads! Also, Reflections of Road Rage, San Francisco's Controversial New Grading System/ Equity or Mediocrity? A Number One Hit from '75
We celebrate hitting 50,000 downloads over 270 episodes and reflect on the journey that began in Italy, feeling immense gratitude for everyone who has listened and supported the show.
• Exploring the idea of which historic events we'd attend if time travel were possible, from Woodstock to Reagan's "tear down this wall" speech
• Discussing San Francisco's controversial "grading for equity" plan that would dramatically change how students are evaluated
• Examining the dangers of road rage following a deadly incident in Rocklin where a father and son were indicted for murder
• Sharing a personal road rage experience from 15 years ago that resulted in a physical attack and important lessons learned
• Featuring Janis Ian's hit song "At Seventeen," discussing its history as it appeared on Saturday Night Live's first episode
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well, here we are once again for the Peeps podcast Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da May 29, 2025. And today, as I look out my studio windows into the beautiful foothills of Northern California, my friends, it's absolutely gorgeous. It's a gorgeous day here in the Northern California foothills. Wherever you are, wherever you are listening, I greatly appreciate that. Wherever you are listening, I greatly appreciate that.
Speaker 1:And the exciting news yesterday for me was 50,000 downloads. That's right, 50,000 downloads on the Pat's Peeps podcast for 270 episodes. I mean, how awesome is that? 270 episodes and over 50,000 downloads. You guys, I just can't thank you enough. We'll keep doing it. Maybe some of you have checked out thepatspeepscom and our businesses. I would sure appreciate that. I know I mentioned that yesterday, probably the day before that as well. So, yeah, please check it out. Let's see, I'm texting someone. I'm stretching here. I like to be honest with you about everything. Ah, let's see, I'm texting someone. I'm stretching here. I like to be honest with you about everything. I was trying to text someone about this show. Anyhow, I'm so excited about the 50,000 downloads though. Wow, thank you, thank you, thank you. That's amazing. I keep thinking about that.
Speaker 1:Started at zero, we were traveling on a coach in Italy, and this is the first time I was in Italy. I can't even believe I get to say the first time I was in Italy. I mean, even that in itself is exciting to me. But yeah, the first time, when I announced it on the coach that we were riding on in northern Italy, I said I've got an announcement Pat's peeps, it's going to be these businesses that we're going to be supporting and then I'll do a podcast. And here we are. I mean, most people flame out at seven podcasts. We're at 271 today and 50,000 downloads. Man, I am so very proud of that. And on top of that, there's other people recognizing it as well, and this is going to be good news. I can't say it just yet, but we have some really good things in the works. I'll just put it this way Perhaps some Pats Peeps gatherings, okay, which are going to be a big deal for what we are trying to accomplish here, but really we want to support local business and just have some fun on my podcast. So thank you, thank you, thank you, let's see. You know I was thinking tonight because, by the way, I'm also the host of the Pat Wall Show, as heard on KFPK Radio in Sacramento, 93.1 FM, 1530 AM. We stream live and we of course have the podcasts of the show, just like we do for this one, on all of your streaming platforms. But I thought it'd be kind of fun because I'm always thinking of trying to. I'm always trying to think of topics that people can relate, to have a little bit of fun with, rather than always with the heavy stuff.
Speaker 1:And Denise called last night. We were talking music. Oh, I know what it was. It was John Fogerty. Come on, john Fogerty's 80th birthday. Do we talk about this on the show? Sometimes I start to get confused. If I, did I talk about Fogarty yesterday on the Pat's Peeps, or did I, or did I just talk about it on the show? Let me see, did I? You know, I don't think I talked about Fogarty yesterday. I don't know. Maybe I did, but he turned 80. And I'm a huge fan of Credence John Fogerty.
Speaker 1:That conversation led into some Credence conversation, which led into someone calling about Credence playing at Woodstock and, because they went on 10 hours late or whatever, there was just one guy out in the audience. Hey, you guys rock, and he was the only one out there that they performed to. Whether or not that's true or not, I should probably check that out. I don't know. But you know, one thing led to another in the conversation and so we started talking about John Fogerty. And so we started talking about John Fogerty and Denise called and one of our listeners said you know, speaking of Woodstock and Fogerty playing there, you know, if I would have been, she says in my teen years, when Woodstock was going on, I would have gone.
Speaker 1:And I got to thinking about that. Now this is back in New York, yasser's Farm in New York, but that's a long way from where I live, but people hitchhike from everywhere across America. Would I have gone? That's a really good question, really good question. I mean it's probably the most legendary concert of all. I mean Altamont. Legendary for I mean infamous for all of the wrong reasons. You know that it's legend even though the Stones were playing, which would have been awesome if everything had gone down with the Hells Angels. But with Woodstock, she says she would have gone. I don't know. Probably, maybe who knows.
Speaker 1:And I got to thinking it would be kind of a cool question to ask on my radio show, like if you could pick one thing to go back to, you get to pick an event Maybe you want to give me two or three, but if you could pick an event that you could go back to and go back and be there or you could participate in, what would it be? Would it be Woodstock? Like I would have loved to have been at Woodstock One event. Hmm, I need to think about that, because, as I'm trying to think about it, I'm trying to think about you know, the interesting thing is I hadn't really thought that out, and these are things that seemingly are easy to answer, but yet are they. They make you think, doesn't it make you think, like you're like, wait, oh, event. Seemingly that would be an easy. Oh, I would have loved to have been at the what?
Speaker 1:Maybe you would have liked to have been Gorbachev take down this wall. You know, when Reagan there at East Berlin, in West Berlin, take down this wall, they took it down. That would have been one that just comes to mind. If you were a Mets fan, maybe you would have been there when the Miracle Mets, in 69, won the World Series against Baltimore. Whatever it is Makes you think, though Initially I thought oh man, people can think of five or six of these things.
Speaker 1:I don't even, I can barely think of two, but anyhow, maybe I'll throw that out there tonight. It's always fun to have those kind of conversations. So thank you, denise, for not only listening but also listening to the podcast and for giving me perhaps a good idea for the show tonight. Um, I have these other things to get to. I'm just debating whether to do it, but I'll do it.
Speaker 1:Here's something. This is something. Stuff that's driving me crazy. All right, I need to wet my whistle for this one. It's getting warm out there. We're going to have warm temperatures. How you doing today? How are you? What are you doing? Where are you at? You driving? Are you just hanging out? I just imagine, whatever you're doing, a lot of people drive and listen. Sierra listens, hi, sierra, sierra and John. Sierra is such a sweetheart. She loves it. She's a very special person. Sierra, you're very special. She likes it. When I say her name, she gets the biggest smile on her face. I'll say it again Sierra, you're a sweetie. Sierra. I wanted to put a little smile on someone's face before I got into this stuff.
Speaker 1:Grading for equity here you go. This is coming to San Francisco folks here, pat's Peeps 271. Maybe you've heard about it, maybe you've not. Grading for equity On the next Grading for Equity. God, that's just disgusting. I wonder if I have any music for that. Probably not Grading for Equity.
Speaker 1:Coming to San Francisco high schools this fall, without seeking approval of the San Francisco Board of Education, superintendent of Schools, maria Su, plans to unveil a new grading for equity plan or I guess she did Tuesday that will go into effect this fall. This is going to be at 14 high schools and it will cover 10,000 students. Well, what is grading for equity? Hmm, well, the school district's already negotiating with an outside consultant to train teachers this August in a system that awards a passing C grade to as low as a score of 41 on a 100-point exam. So we're not for this school board member, this one particular school board member, this drastic change in grading with implications for college admissions and career readiness, would have gone unnoticed, unexplained, buried in a stack in a three-word phrase. Stack in a three-word phrase, last page of some kind of a you know paperwork or whatever presentation lost at a school board meeting. Within their ridiculous agenda, this plan comes.
Speaker 1:Can you believe this? This is the last spring semester where parents are assessing the impact of over $100 million in budget reductions. They're deciding whether to remain in the public schools this fall. And you have the school district acknowledging the parents' aversion to the grading approach. This particular approach is typically high, the parent aversion to this, and they say there's need for vigilant communication. Outreach to parents has been minimal. According to the Voice, school District's office of equity home page does not mention its page containing the sf. Usd definition of equity has been upgraded in nearly three years. But listen to this. Grading for equity eliminates homework or weekly tests from being counted in a student's final semester grade. All that matters, according to the voice, all that matters is how the student scores on a final exam which can be taken multiple times.
Speaker 1:Students can be late, turning in an assignment or showing up to class or showing up at all, without it affecting their academic grade. Can you believe this? Like we were held to standards when I was going to school. You had to work. You had to put in your time. You had to do your homework. You had to show up and show that you were responsible. There was a time Class started. You were expected do your homework. You had to show up and show that you were responsible. There was a time Class started. You were expected to be there. You'd show up late sometimes yeah, at least I did on occasion for whatever reason, but you were expected to be there to do your homework, et cetera, but not now. Yeah, all that matters is how the student scores on a final exam. This can be taken multiple times.
Speaker 1:Like I said, students can be late turning in an assignment, showing up to class, not showing up at all, and it does not affect their academic grade. Right now, a student needs all they need. They need a 90 for an A, at least 61 for a D. Now, under the San Leandro Unified School District's grading for equity system this is touted by the San Francisco Unified School District and its consultant a student with a score as low as 80 can attain an A and as low as 21 can pass with a D. Joe Feldman, who is a consultant the school district plans to contract with to implement grading for equity, wrote in 2019 that in Placer County another jurisdiction with a grading system I live in Placer County quote students who did not qualify for free or reduced price lunch had a sharper decrease in A's, reflecting how traditional grading practices disproportionately benefit students with resources because of the inequitable inclusion of extra credit and the other resourceful department grading criteria oh my God, you must be kidding me.
Speaker 1:Grading for equity may reduce an A or may reduce a D F grade, an A and a D and F grade or grades. According to Feldman, it will enable school districts to cut costs for remedial classes. But, of course, what about student academic outcomes? The most recent data from both middle schools and San Leandro were grading reform where that started, in 2016. They document continued disparities among student populations when it comes to performance on statewide assessment tests, both in English and mathematics, and in both the gaps range from twice to triple, even four times as many students meeting or exceeding the statewide standard in subgroups compared to others. Children need the most help improving, but they're not getting it. Children need the most help improving, but they're not getting it sigh there's a lot that goes into this.
Speaker 1:That's one of the things that you know this is driving me crazy today. Anyhow, that's something I can tackle on my radio show here this evening and maybe continue to, as I always do get your take on something like that. It's the great thing about talk radio. You know you can always get into those topics and get other people's take on that instead of just mine. Here's another one. This one hits close to home. I really debated whether to do this, mmm, excuse me, I'm so thirsty.
Speaker 1:So this grand jury has indicted a father and a son in connection with a deadly Rockland Road rage incident. Jeremy Stiles, 55 years old, died after being attacked March 15th in the area of Whitney Oaks Drive in Whitney Ranch Parkway. Just tragic, rockland is right down the highway from me. Grand jury has indicated a father and a son in connection with a deadly Rockland road rage incident. It's, according to the Placid County DA's office, jeremy Stiles dying, as I mentioned, in this incident. Placid County's DA's office saying that Blake Riquela, who was 20, was indicted for murder with a special allegation that a deadly weapon was used in the crime. He entered a not guilty plea. This was Monday. He is being held in custody without the possibility of bail and his next due in court on June, the 16th. Now his father, anthony Raquel, who was 60, was booked into the Placer County Jail May 15th after being indicted for assault with the use of a deadly weapon and assault by means of force to produce great bodily injury, and he is set to be arraigned after posted bail, set to be arraigned on June 23rd. So it's a father and son. They attacked this man, 55 years old, and they murdered him.
Speaker 1:First of all, road rage and domestic violence these are two of the most dangerous situations you can possibly be in because of how quickly they erupt, how quickly the anger and how the aggressiveness takes place. So you know you have road rage. I mean it escalates, it becomes so aggressive and it escalates your driving behaviors. And then obviously everyone knows this, but you know it endangers a lot of people around you, people who are not even involved in this. So then you have increased risks of accidents, injuries, fatalities. Innocent people get hurt.
Speaker 1:It can involve intentional acts of intimidation. You know you're threatening someone, they're threatening you, harm at other drivers, they're harming you or your family. We know all of this and that's all different than just you know aggressive driving, it's escalated behavior and it can manifest in reckless action, swerving towards the other vehicles, trying to force them off the road, engaging in physical altercations. And they increase so quickly again the anger, the anger and the frustration, fueling the road rage. That can impair your judgment, it can impair your reaction time. Sometimes you get so angry heck, you got family members in your car and you're putting them at risk. Risk or someone else is putting you and your family at risk, or you're putting the other family. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Then you throw in the reckless behavior, likelihood of collisions. Maybe there's a pedestrian you're not paying attention to, maybe there's something in there, a stationary object. Because you're not paying attention, you hit a pole, you hit a tree. So this can lead to severe injuries. And why? Why Because someone got in front of you or, you know, wasn't courteous and didn't let you turn or didn't let you turn or didn't let you pass. It's interesting In California we seem to think we're on a NASCAR track on this freeway.
Speaker 1:We're not in some kind of a NASCAR race here, we're just trying to live our lives. Then it can escalate into these confrontations. You get the verbal insults. You know the F-U, physical altercations ensue. People can use their vehicle as a weapon. They can use a weapon as a weapon. You know there's other consequences. Families have to live with this. If God forbid something goes bad, it can. You know. Road rage can contribute to chronic stress, to anxiety, depression.
Speaker 1:I had a friend of mine one time say you know why, pat, I never get mad at these cars going by, or you know this or this is people. He said you know why I never get mad at these cars going by, or you know this or this? He said you know why I never get mad at these idiots? Oh, he was. So I remember what it was. Someone was tailgating me and I was going down this peaceful road 174, like I talked about the other day, going to Grass Valley, and they were tailgating me and I pulled over to the side as they were doing that, because I like to cruise, you know, in those areas, in those areas, I like to take my time and so if someone gets behind me, I just pull over gently, let them go, and I continue to listen to my music, continue my conversation. I did that and I remember Tony saying Wow, man, I'm really impressed with you. And I said, well, why is that? Wow, like you never even got mad or nothing by that car going by or the way it was tailgating. I said, oh, you know, what are we going to do? I mean, I just, I said, you know, I'll just pull over.
Speaker 1:I realized I'm not a speed demon out here, I'm not trying to. I go the speed limit on those roads. I'm not saying, look, if I go to the freeway I'm usually going with traffic which is at least, for being honest, 10 miles an hour over the speed limit, whatever we're driving seems like. But on these roads I take my time, I love, I enjoy them soaking in and I'm happy to pull over. He said, you know, because the thing about these idiots, if they're, if they're aggressive, you know you get aggressive back to them. Well, guess what? Ten minutes later there's another idiot, and ten minutes later there's another idiot. And if we keep reacting to these idiots, then all we're really doing is hurting ourselves. We're never going to see them again. It doesn't matter that much. We're blessed to be here, we're not sick, we're not in a hospital room, we're enjoying a day. So, anyhow, that resonated with me.
Speaker 1:Road rage is sort of, in summary, dangerous, one of the quicker escalating and aggressive situations, along with, obviously, domestic violence in a relationship, very explosive Again because of the sudden and escalating nature of the violence and these intimate relationships cycle of abuse. If that's happening to you, get help, do not refuse help, do not put up with it. Anyhow, I don't really want to go down that road. But here you have this father and son. Nobody would want to go down that road. But here you have this father and son and it hits home to me because many years ago now and it's still out there and I honestly I shuffle this to the back of the deck when it comes to things I want to talk about. I try to really forget about this, but I would say, geez, 15 years ago, maybe more I can't really remember what year Kind of happened to me.
Speaker 1:I'm coming home from work one day, working a split shift, condensing the story down as best I can. I'm driving and going up 80. The big rig trucks they're in the right lane because they're going uphill. Some of them have a little tougher time. Then you get one big rig who's having a tough time. You get another big rig behind that, one who can actually pass him up and go up the hill a little quicker and this truck had his blinker on. The second truck that was trying to pass him had his blinker on.
Speaker 1:I'm just cruising along, I was smoking a cigar, I'm just cruising man, I'm in no hurry and I was trying to be so nice and courteous and the big rig kept putting his blinker on. So I'm behind him. So I look to my left. There's no one around me. So I gently pull into the left lane with my blinker on and I wave and I flash my lights at the big rig so he can pull into the next lane, pass the big rig in front of him and probably get back into the right lane and go about his business. So he does that.
Speaker 1:I flash my lights, truck goes by and I'm sitting there, I'm driving and you know what I'm feeling good about myself. I'm going hey, that was a nice guy, that was a nice move, you know. And no sooner am I thinking that did. I look to my right and now there's this truck to my right. I'm in the center lane and now this truck is in the right lane and it's carrying a trailer and you got three two young dudes in the back and an older guy in the front seat driving and they're all reaching out with their arms flipping me off and I look over, I'm like what the heck is going on? I mean there was no one around me when I let this truck go by. I checked everywhere. I know that for a fact. And I'm looking at them. And I look at them and I'm kind of, as we're going down the freeway and I'm looking at them like what did I do? Like I'm questioning them. I could have flipped them off back, but no, I'm like them, like what did I do? Like I'm questioning them. I could have flipped them off back, but no, I'm like I was so startled. I'm like what, what did I do? F you, f, you, f you.
Speaker 1:Now I decide all right, what am I going to do? So I take off. I just take off in my truck. I start booking it up the highway. Take off in my truck. I start booking it up the highway. Well, I look in my rearview mirror. They're right on my tail Now. I don't want to go 100 miles an hour. I ain't about to drive reckless and endanger other people, but they're on my tail.
Speaker 1:Now we're getting up to the hill foothill part and the foothill part portion of things, not as much traffic. Once you get up a little further, they're still on my tail. I kick it up a notch, I look back, they're still on my tail. I'm like, oh my God. So now I'm trying to think of what to do. So I get this idea that I'm going to pull over at this particular exit where I live, go to this gas station. It's late in the morning, it's like 11 or noon or something like that, maybe 11 am Sun's out. I'll just go over the overpass, go right to the gas station and either step outside, if there's people at the gas pumps, or I'll go into the gas station and say, hey, I want you to watch. These guys are following me and they've been following me for a long ways and they're threatening me. That had nothing to do with it.
Speaker 1:I pull off the off-ramp. There's a truck pulled over right there, a big rig, and the big rig truck driver's standing next to his truck. He's just standing there for whatever reason. So I decided, oh, I'll just go to this guy. So I pull over in my truck to the right side of the after I get off the off ramp, to the right side of the road and I get out and I go excuse me, sir, can you please keep an eye on this, because these guys have been threatening me.
Speaker 1:Well, these guys get out and it turns out just like in this case it's a father and a son and the son's friend. The truck driver says to me yeah, absolutely, I'll keep an eye on this. What's going on? I said they've been following me. Now they come up behind me and they trap me in with their truck and their trailer. I can't get out with my truck now. And they come up to me and they threaten me. And they come up to me and they threaten me and at one point someone grabs me in a full Nelson. When he does that, the dad sucker punches me and cuts my head open. Blood's coming down my face. The other guy starts to attack me.
Speaker 1:Now it's three on one and we go down this embankment off the side of the freeway. Now we're rolling down this embankment, like 30 feet down this embankment, and the next thing I know, here comes this truck driver and he's like Buford Pusser and walking tall and he's carrying a big stick and he's swinging it and I can remember him going. Oh, no, no, no, no, not on my watch, not three on one, let's go. Nope, you better get out. And so he starts swinging and these dudes they book it. They get in their vehicle and they book, and the cops come and I'm completely bloody and they look it up on the computer and there's the guy they go yes, that's them. They had him right, father and son right in front of me, just like these guys. They caught them. Long story short, we go to court in Auburn and they get off scot-free. Why did they get off scot-free?
Speaker 1:I learned a valuable lesson in this by getting out of my vehicle and approaching asking the truck driver to please watch vehicle and approaching asking the truck driver to please watch. That made it seem like I'm also getting out of my vehicle to enter into this, this, this incident, which I was not doing. I think that would be crazy to enter a situation, especially when I now have been trying to get away from it for several minutes and I'm desperately asking someone to watch and showing I've got my hands in the air going look, I'm not doing anything, which is exactly what I'm doing. I have my hands in the air going. Look, you can see my hands are up here. I'm not doing anything. He's like yeah, I see you.
Speaker 1:But I guess the judge thought well, you got out of your vehicle. So here's the thing. God forbid that ever happens again. I have a different way of dealing with that. I will get to a safe place if I can. If I can't get away, I'll sit in my vehicle. You know, I will keep my window up If they try to break into the window.
Speaker 1:That's when the next thing happens, which will be you know, I got a big old pepper spray thing. It's a little pepper spray cannon. So I learned a lesson there. I hope those guys learned a lesson. That's okay, forgive and forget, but my goodness, we need to think before we actually jump into these road rage incidents. Please don't, let you know, some little inconvenience turn into such a horrible situation. You know I never get that serious on my little podcast here, but boy, I saw that story and I just had to, just had to mention it. I had to get into that. Let's see, let me just get to my music. I feel like, after all, that I need to get into my music. Man, I pulled two of them accidentally off the shelf today. Which one do I go with All?
Speaker 2:right.
Speaker 1:I'll do this one. You know yesterday was was it yesterday? The Karma Chameleon song by Boy George Club? I said it's not my favorite. One of these that I pulled up today is not my favorite. The other one, while it is probably not my favorite, which is the one I'm going to play, it's a song that I grew up listening to on the radio, on K-R-O-Y If you listen to Kroy or KNDE, candy or KFRC in San Francisco during the 70s, you heard this song constantly. This song was on the radio all the time.
Speaker 1:An American singer-songwriter. Her seventh studio album, between the Lines, released July of 75, was the album's second single. I'm trying to think of what the first one was. Jeez, I need to think of what the first single off of this was. I'm not sure if I'm aware of it. This one I'm aware of.
Speaker 1:The artist wrote the lyrics on the basis of a New York Times article and used a samba instrumental, and Brooks Arthur produced the final version. It's a pop and soft rock ballad Song is about a social outcast in high school Critics. Regarding this song as a type of anthem, and despite this artist's initial reluctance to perform this single live, she promoted it at various appearances and it was also included on a compilation of live albums. I remember seeing this on Saturday Night Live when it was popular. I remember her fro haircut. It was written by this artist when she was 23 years old, oddly enough. Oddly enough, what do you mean? Well, you'll know in a second.
Speaker 1:She was inspired to write the single after reading a New York Times article about a young woman who thought her life would improve after a debutante ball and her subsequent disappointment when it did not. In the article, this girl was 18 years old, but she changed it to 17 with her samba guitar instrumental I know you know what song I'm talking about. And she recalled feeling uncomfortable while writing the song as it predated the confessional song trend of the 1970s trend of the 1970s. She was also uncertain about writing it about high school, when she had never experienced a homecoming or even a prom, and she purposely took her time with the song to ensure it did not lose its intensity, and repeatedly stopped and started work on it over the course of three months at the time and she was living with her mother at the time.
Speaker 1:The song went to let's see, oh, this song did very well. Where did it go to? Number one on the US Billboard charts Number one. Us Cashbox Number one in Canada. Adult contemporary number three on the Billboard Hot 100, number six number 18 in Australia. It was a big chart topper, played on the radio all the time at 17. Janice Ian played on the radio all the time at 17, janice ian.
Speaker 2:I learned the truth at 17. Their love was meant for beauty queens and high school girls with clear skin smiles who married young and then retired. The valentines I never knew, the friday night, charades of youth night charades of youth were spent on one more beautiful. At 17, I learned the truth, and those of us with ravaged faces, lacking in the social graces, desperately remained at home Inventing lovers on the phone who called to say come dance with me and murmured faith obscenities. It isn't all, it seems, it's 17.
Speaker 1:You know, she sang this song on Saturday Night Live's first episode, first episode.
Speaker 2:Whose name I never could pronounce.
Speaker 1:That was October 11th of 75, by the way, they only get what they deserve. She's singing on the Tonight Show with guest host Steve Lawrence.
Speaker 2:She's singing on the Tonight Show with guest host Steve Lawrence. Remember those who win the game Lose the love they sought to gain In debentures of quality and dubious integrity. The small town eyes will gape at you and all surprise when payment due. Small town eyes will gape at you in dull surprise when payment due exceeds accounts received, it's 17.
Speaker 1:Columbia Records. It's a white label, no stickers, no marks on it. One side is mono, one side is stereo. Demonstration, not for sale. Thank you for listening to Pat's Peeps 271. See you on the radio. Oh, there's that samba beat.