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Ep. 307 Today's Peep Is Fully Loaded- Ammunition Law Overturned: A California Gun Rights Victory- Sacramento Black Rifle Owner Rob Adams Discusses The Right to Bear Arms which Should Not Come with an Extra Tax Burden
The Ninth US Circuit Court of Appeals has ruled California's background checks for ammunition buyers unconstitutional, though the California Department of Justice continues fighting to maintain restrictions.
• Rob Adams, owner of Sacramento Black Rifle with locations in California, Nevada, and Idaho, explains the ruling's significance
• Background checks for ammunition purchases previously cost $1 but were recently increased 400% to $5 per purchase
• California imposes an 11% "sin tax" on ammunition and serialized firearm components on top of regular sales tax
• The taxation scheme is more profitable for the state than for gun dealers, threatening business viability
• California DOJ is advising dealers not to ship ammunition directly to consumers despite the court ruling
• The experience of purchasing ammunition in Idaho or Nevada is vastly different, with fewer restrictions and no extra taxation
• Several additional gun rights cases are working through the courts, including challenges to magazine bans
• During COVID, many first-time gun buyers were shocked at California's extensive restrictions
• Constitutional carry states like Idaho report less crime and more respectful public behavior
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Speaker 1:By the way, I'm the host of the Pat Wall Show, as heard on KFPK Radio in Sacramento, 93.1 FM, 1530 AM, on all your streaming devices just like this podcast. Okay, we like it. When you get it, go to patspeepscom and listen to it. But you know, in the news lately has been a ruling by an appeals court in terms of ammunition in California and I thought, you know, let me get our expert, our resident expert from Sacramento Black Rifle, on the show today. And so Rob Adams, who is the owner of Sacramento Black Rifle, he owns shops in Sacramento, he owns another shop in Sparks, nevada, and he owns a shop in Boise, idaho, which is where he joined us from on today's podcast, podcast number 307. We had quite the conversation All right and today here on Bass.
Speaker 1:Peeps number 307, we are going to have a discussion about, of all things, ammunition, because there has been a big ruling. Now this came down last week and I was in my local cigar lounge my favorite cigar lounge and a bunch of the guys in there were sitting around enjoying a good cigar and they're like hey, did you hear about the ruling? Now these guys are a bunch of gun owners and they were very, very excited about this ruling and I inquired. I said, well, tell me about this. Well, what it is is that the appeals court in California has blocked the background checks for ammunition buyers. So, in other words, california gun owners in California they're saying this is a big win, a huge win, after the appeals court, in a two to one vote finds first of its kind law is now unconstitutional. Finds first-of-its-kind law is now unconstitutional. And so to talk to us about this is the owner of Sacramento Black Rifle, is Rob Adams, the owner, and Rob, I appreciate you joining me on my podcast today. How are you?
Speaker 2:Yeah, thank you Doing well. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1:Just so we let everyone know. I'll let you give the address the Sac Black Rifle. You have three stores one in Sacramento, one in Sparks, nevada, and one in Boise, idaho. Tell us about your shop.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so Sacramento Black Rifle. We're located at 8095 Greenback Lane, suite B, and that's in Sitter Sites at the corner of Fair Oaks and Greenback. We've been in that location now for about 12 years, been in business in the Sacramento greater Sacramento area for the last 18.
Speaker 1:Well, we appreciate we. You know I'm a huge supporter of local business, rob, and I really that's why I called you and I really appreciate you joining me, like I said on the podcast. So I want to talk about this ruling here. So, for those people who may or may not know and I know that a lot of people do, because there are a lot of people law-abiding gun owners, and then I know other people do, because there are a lot of people who want to stop your rights as a gun owner or trying to interfere with your rights but this federal appeals court, rob, ruling that California's first of its kind law which requires firearm owners to undergo background checks to buy ammo is unconstitutional. This happened last Thursday. The Ninth US Circuit Court of Appeals this is in Pasadena upholding a lower court judge's permanent injunction against enforcing this law, saying that it failed to show the law was consistent with the US historical tradition of firearm regulation, as required under the Supreme Court's 2022 Bruin decision. What are your thoughts on this, rob?
Speaker 2:I think it's a great win for the 2A community in California because there's just so many restrictions in California and, honestly, in my opinion humble opinion this is low-hanging fruit, but it's just one more crutch in the system. I think the bigger piece to this is the ammunition tax. That is currently 11% above and beyond regular sales tax. So, with that being said, this is a huge win. I think it's a little bit premature. There's a lot of dealers currently, right now, sending ammunition to people's doors in California and I don't know what kind of legality, what kind of issue that's going to bring for the customer that received the ammunition or the out-of-state dealers that are doing that because the state actually has, I believe, 21 days before they even have to get a response to this. So we're, you know, around August 14th is when we're probably going to see that response from the state of California to the court. Now they could ask them to block it. There's many things that could happen here, as we've seen in the past with the Ninth Circuit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, I think some of the gun owners in California, or the gun shop owners, thought that that might have happened yesterday, but of course then you have people who are opposing all of this. Um, the doj, whoever, whoever's going through and dragging out these, these things to make this. So, initially, this is going to be this kind of status quo for now, if I'm not mistaken, and at some point, perhaps by the 14th of august, like you said, that's when things are going to change a little bit.
Speaker 2:Right, we hope that's what, that's the. So we'll see what happens. You know, it might not take that. They might just fold and be like, okay, hey, we're going to give them a little win and allow us to do no background checks on ammunition. Department of Justice. They sent every single FFL and ammunition vendor in the state of California a memo basically outlining that it is not good to go, it is not law. Basically, is what they're saying? And it is not law.
Speaker 1:And so let's go back then. So that's interesting too. But let's go back then to you say that some out-of of state dealers are now shipping ammo right to people's homes. Now, uh, but you're not sure the legality that I mean, what? Um, how is that? So people are just like, hey, look, uh, I want ammo. You know, and whatever state it might be, they're calling this and can you help me out? And they're just like, yeah, whatever, we're just going to send it to your home, don't? And that's what going on right now.
Speaker 2:That is what's going on. Some of the big names in the industry are definitely right on their website shipping to California. So I don't know what that are. It's request of our attorneys. We have a couple of different attorneys one federal, one state and they are basically saying do not do that. It's going to open you up to liability, which it will, and then there's no way for that dealer, that out-of-state dealer, to collect the sin tax on using air quotes, the new 11% tax that is supposed to be on every single piece of ammunition or serialized goods.
Speaker 2:So this is all still up in the air. These dealers, these out-of-state dealers and these out-of-state retailers they could have some liability here. That's just me speaking, listening to what our attorney has said and seeing what our attorney has put out there on the Internet. Our attorney yesterday wrote actually a really nice piece just outlining why the change isn't happening. Yet what the California DOJ is saying about the change and what this means for you right now is basically what our lawyers put in a free bulletin which can be seen on our Instagram a supplement of Black Rifle, if anybody wants to look at it.
Speaker 1:I'm wondering. So you say there's a tax on top of a tax. When it comes to so, there's an additional ammo tax on top of the normal sales tax?
Speaker 2:Is that correct? Yes, Not only is there an 11% tax on sales tax, so it's the sin tax. Basically it's an excise tax for ammunition or any serialized goods, goods a firearm, a rifle, a shotgun, a lower receiver, anything that is a serialized item or ammunition. There's an 11% tax on top of the already failed tax. Wow, and on top of that the DOJ, as of July 1st, raised the fee for the background check 400%, so it was $1. Now it's $5 to do the background check for ammunition.
Speaker 1:Now, is this only in California? Is this across the United States? Is this national?
Speaker 2:This is only in the crazy state of California.
Speaker 1:Oh, of course it is. So then they raise it 400%. You said from $1 to $5. Tell us, explain to us how this works. We're talking with Rob Adams, who's the owner $1 to $5. Tell us, explain to us how this works. We're talking with Rob Adams, who's the owner of Sacramento Black Rifle. He's got a store in Sacramento, obviously, and they wanted Sparks, nevada and Boise, idaho. How does this work? So maybe I understood it like this.
Speaker 1:This is again I don't have the knowledge when it comes to guns and I'm trying to learn, as many of us are. So if I go in and I'm so, obviously I don't think anyone would disagree with a background check to purchase a gun. Okay, I get that and I'm all for that. Okay, I am.
Speaker 1:However, ammo like first of all, why ammo? You've already had a background check for the gun, so now you need the ammo to put into the gun in order to shoot. Shoot the gun or, you know, to make it do what it's supposed to, but they're going to charge that and then they're going to put you know 400 or 400 percent tax on top of that, which is very curious to me. So how would it work? Every single time? This is what I understand, every time I go in to buy ammo from sacramento black rifle, you're going to do a background check on me. You just did one a couple of weeks ago. Now I'm going to go out hunting or I'm going to take my family to the range. Let's go get some more ammo. Oh, I'm going to do a background check and pay you again, right?
Speaker 2:That is correct. There's a background check on every single stitch of ammunition. You want to buy one box, you want to buy a case? You're going, uh, it's going to take minutes, obviously, but you're going to have to fill out some paperwork. Uh, we're going to collect that fee and then you're going to pay for the ammunition and then you're going to pay for the tax on top of that. Wow, it's really hurt sales for ammunition. I mean it, just like I said, the background check wasn't. I think that's low hanging fruit. Now, do I want background checks? Absolutely not on ammunition, no way.
Speaker 1:Well, I want background checks?
Speaker 2:Absolutely not on ammunition, no way. Well, I want to tax on background speed for that.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:I don't want that. It takes up a lot of time to counter and it's just. It's just, it's craziness. But the bigger problem here that people are failing to realize everybody thinks that this is a huge win. It is a win that you get to have ammunition shipped to your house. That is awesome. That brings down the price of ammo Hopefully the price has already skyrocketed and they've never come back down since COVID days. But it's the tax that is absolutely killing the gun industry in California 100%, and that's what a lot of people are not focused on. They're so excited about getting these little type of wins but these are just low hanging fruit. Like I was saying, it's the tax that is absolutely killing California dealers 100%. The state of California is making more money per transaction through their taxation scheme than the dealers are making in profit.
Speaker 1:That's ridiculous. How is that now going to change when you go to get your ammo, for the average person who just wants to go get ammo?
Speaker 2:Well, you just walk in and purchase the ammo and you'd walk right back out.
Speaker 1:Oh wow, Just like you would before. It's a big change.
Speaker 2:Now it's a big change. Sure, it's a big change, and don't take what I'm saying like this is a big win, but it's a little bite.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:It takes so long for these wins to fruition. Take so long for these wins to to the fruition. I mean what? I think this, this lawsuit, was brought back in what? 2018? This case started in 2018. We're sitting here in 2025 yep, late 2025. So all these court cases just take forever and every time they go to the ninth circuit court, they end up back at the lower court. I mean, we've had multiple great news, like the magazine ban unconstitutional, and it gets sent back down to the lower court and it just gets bounced around and it just takes forever, takes years, and so, yes, this is a win, but I think the bigger win is going to be getting rid of the tax, getting rid of the California handgun roster, getting rid of the so-called assault weapon law in California. Those will be big wins.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let's talk about that, because that was going to be my next question is okay, as you said that, this win, as we're talking to Rob Adams, the owner of SAC Black Rifle you called it the low-hanging fruit and I'm trying to understand that and I get what you're saying loud and clear. My friend, I really do. Everything in this frigging state is killing us because of taxes, everything they can do to dump more taxes on the backs of those of us who live in California and, of course, it's very obvious. In case they think we're being bamboozled, Let me say this, Rob it is utter BS to act like well, the refineries are going away, so you're going to have to pay $8. They want to force you to get into electric cars.
Speaker 1:Now, what they want to force you to do is give up your guns, make it so frigging expensive that none of these gun companies or ammo whoever is doing this, like you said, the people who are this scheme, the tax scheme California has in place, is making more of a profit than the gun people who are making the guns and trying to sell the guns and the ammo. So, in terms of the low-hanging fruit, I feel it, brother, and what else you talked about handgun roster. I don't even know what that is. Let's talk about a couple of things that you feel. These are the bigger things that need to be addressed right now. And to do that, what do we need to do?
Speaker 2:well legislation. People need to get involved, that's. That's the thing. There's a lot of people that don't get involved and there are a lot of people that do get involved, but majority of the people that are trying to live their lives and not get involved and dragged down into politics.
Speaker 2:Um, it seems like these gun groups and thank them, I I mean, I'm so grateful for all of them and all the lawyers that put in all this time but it seems like they're always looking for another handout so that they can fight this crazy tyrannical government and taxes, when nobody's got any money to do anything. They don't have money to buy guns. They sure as heck don't have money to give it to these lobbying groups to try to fight all this crazy stuff. And then the other thing is they're using these tax dollars and they're weaponizing it against us, just like in the background check fee. They're using that to enforce regulation on us. So they're using our money, our hard-earned money that we're paying to buy firearms in the background process and they're turning around and using it against us. You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Absolutely.
Speaker 2:This big wheel, the hamster wheel that we're just all running on. And if they would just leave the tax alone, like there's no reason to tax it? The only thing that they're doing is stopping good people from buying firearms law-abiding citizens.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:They're slowing, it's a slow burn burn. They know exactly what they're doing. It is not stopping any bit of crime whatsoever. I've been in this game long enough. I've been robbed twice at sacramento. Black rifle um. I had a car drive through my store in reno. Those are how they get guns. They destroy a building. They will do whatever it takes to get the fire.
Speaker 1:I remember that robbery. Now that you mention it, that made the news.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we've made the news quite a bit of times at Sacramento Black Rifle. I'm not shy to get involved and speak my mind. I think these are crazy things, crazy times that we're living through. But I think honestly, the tax is one of the biggest schemes to ever hit the gun industry. It really is. They're not taxing Toyota Ford for people getting DUIs and driving, but they're taxing legal gun owners.
Speaker 1:Yes, right.
Speaker 2:That are going through the process. You know it's a scheme. Right, you have to have a handgun or you have to have a safety certificate to buy any firearm in california. So you have to take a test, you have to pay a fee. Then, if you want to buy a music mission, you got to pay another fee, go through a background check. You want to buy a gun, you have to pay absorbent amounts of fees just to exercise your Second Amendment rights. And that's not done in any other commerce at all.
Speaker 1:Rob Adams, owner of SAC Black Rifle. What is it like in? Let's say, because you have a store in, as I mentioned, one in Boise, idaho, you have one in Sparks, nevada. What's the difference if I go into Sparks or if I go into Boise versus Sacramento and I want to buy ammo If I go in? What's that difference if I go into Sparks or if I go into Boise versus Sacramento and I want to buy ammo If I go in? What's that experience like?
Speaker 2:It's vastly different. I mean, you walk into any of my stores that are outside that crazy state of California. You walk in, you greet us with a smile, we greet you with a smile and you pick out your goods. If it's a regulated firearm, pistol, shotgun, whatever, uh, if you have a ccw, it's basically fill out a 4473 and you walk out. We don't even do a background check, it's already been done, we already know that you have it, you have the card.
Speaker 2:If you don't have that, nevada is a state of contact state. So basically the highway patrol does the background check for the Nevada, uh, there's a small fee, it's $25 to the to the state, uh, highway patrol to run that background check, uh, but here in Idaho it's all mixed. We just do it electronically, um, and there is no fee at all. You come in, you pick out your firearm, you pull out your four, four, seven, three. We put you in the system, we get a, an approval, uh, or deny, or, and then you walk out or you don't. It's instant, uh, sometimes in Nevada it's a little bit longer because we actually calling on the phone and doing it manually, which is kind of antiquated Uh, and it takes a little bit of time. Sometimes you get put on hold for you know minutes, or it could be a day to be honest with you, um, so it's not a hundred percent that day, but day to be honest with you.
Speaker 1:So it's not 100% that day, but it's vastly different. It's a totally different world. How dare those states do things efficiently like that? How dare they? Speaking on behalf of.
Speaker 2:California Isn't that crazy.
Speaker 1:They do things so efficiently. That's quite amazing, heck. I feel free. You're just listening to you describe that, rob, honestly. I do Just to address again I appreciate your time Just a couple of other things I want to address here.
Speaker 1:Since this ruling and as you mentioned, I mean you talk about a waste of time and just craziness there have been since this ruling, which you said it was in 2017, so what? Eight years. We're dragging and dragging through bureaucracy and DOJ and all so now there have been more than 2,000 gun law challenges since this ruling. The lower courts continue. Now they're sifting through all of the parameters and they're looking at all of this stuff. Most of these cases brought by people they say were looking to have their gun case convictions overturned. But anyhow, then you get Rob Bonta. Boy, let me ask you about Rob Bonta. This is California State Attorney General. All right, he defends the law, saying he's very disappointed in the decision and you and I. I want to talk to you about this before we finish up our conversation. This is a quote from Rob Bonta.
Speaker 1:Quote from Rob Bonta Quote our families, schools and neighborhoods deserve nothing less than the most basic protection against preventable gun violence and we are looking into our legal options. This is according to a spokesperson for Rob Bonta. You know, rob Adams. I ask you this how ridiculous of a statement is that? How many times have we seen when you have a let's I mean we can go to all kinds of different circumstances. Examples let's go to a school shooting, which we hate to see You've got some fool who is now going to take out his grievances on innocent people. How do you stop crime in a theater when in Aurora, colorado, how do you stop a shooter who is murdering people? In my estimation, a law. So he's saying well, we're looking for our legal options. That's your legal option, brother, is to carry and conceal legally for your protection, for your personal self-defense. And when you talk about protecting neighborhoods and schools, I think he's gone too far in this ridiculous statement and not including guns and legal gun owners as part of that protection. What are your thoughts?
Speaker 2:My thoughts are let's make crime illegal again. Let's hold people accountable.
Speaker 1:Do you know I just had? We're putting up my store this week at my patspeepscom. The first shirt I print with the first shirt I came up with is make crime illegal again. We just printed them, so that is good timing on your part, rob, my God.
Speaker 2:I agree with you, brother, I'm going to tell you what. Just a few months back, at the beginning or the ending of last year actually, we had three gentlemen walk into our store and they played the old shell game, looking at a couple different guns and they ran out the door.
Speaker 2:Up until just this year that wasn't a felony crime. They just stole the firearm from a gun store. Now, thankfully, nobody got hurt and there wasn't a gun battle that ensued, because there was a lot of guns getting drawn in that store from my employees to customers and they chased them outside, and I'm thankful that there wasn't any gunshots exchanged, because it could have went way, way worse. Uh, we never got the gun back. These dudes had massive rap sheets and with some good policing thank goodness with some friends of ours at the store those guys were apprehended within a few days. There was one outstanding. I think he still may be outstanding, I'm not sure, but the other two, these guys, could have never been paroled on these short sentences that they had, and I'm sure I don't even know what the disposition of these cases are now, because I really don't care anymore. It's wild to me that these guys probably got six months.
Speaker 1:Six months with a long track record. That's pretty ballsy man to walk into a gun store with gun owners legal gun owners and attempt to commit a robbery like that. So they come in, they're looking at the guns oh yeah, this one's cool. And then boom, we're going to rob you now. And then they get out of the store and you got employees and everyone's drawing guns. Oh my God.
Speaker 2:It's a weird situation that has to put yourself in, and I can't you know, I wasn't there that day, um, I was actually out of the office and I can't, monday morning, quarterback my decision. I can tell you this they are. I got two combat veterans that were actually working that day, so they're very proficient with firearms and, uh, some of the other customers that were there that witnessed this whole situation that went down. It was as safe as it could have been, uh, but we didn't know. Were they going to put a magazine, load the gun, start start shooting the place up, rob everybody, but it worked out for the best. We have a few new store policies because that will never chase anybody ever outside the building again. But, yeah, if there were stiffer penalties for people that did crimes like that, you probably wouldn't be seeing as much craziness in the state of California.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm all about stiffer penalties. Stiffer penalties for sure.
Speaker 2:Here in Idaho we don't have those types of I mean, everybody here is carrying a gun. This is a constitutional carry state. You don't even need a license to carry a gun, as long as you are legally allowed to possess and purchase a firearm in the state of Idaho. You can carry a gun here and it makes the place a lot safer. People are a lot kinder. They are just. They're more friendly. You don't have anybody doing any of that crazy stuff here.
Speaker 2:In the last five years that we've had this, never had any situation closely, remotely, anything like that.
Speaker 1:Meanwhile, in some of the cities with some of the stringent, with some of the toughest gun laws, have some of the highest gun violence. One last thing I want to get your opinion on. Then we're going to wrap it up. In his dissenting opinion, rob Judge Jay Bybee, who is a George W Bush appointee, argued this that in most cases the state's ammunition background check process quote costs $1 and imposes less than a one-minute delay. The law, he says, is not the kind of heavy-handed regulation that meaningfully constrains the right to keep and bear arms. What are your thoughts on his comments there?
Speaker 2:He can have an opinion.
Speaker 2:It's a dumb one, but he can have his opinion. I mean, honestly, there's a ton of dumb opinions and until you're in that position and it's just one more, it's like slow cooking the frog, right, you're throwing the frog in a cool vat of water and you're just cranking up the heat. He doesn't know that he's getting cooked. You know what I mean? And that's exactly what's happening. It's the slow burn. So it's these little little slow burns until we get to a place like where we're at with the ammunition pack and I think this is where it's coming to a head. And hopefully, and to be honest with you, when we win this one because I know that we will how are they going to give all the money back to the customers?
Speaker 1:Good question, very good question it's not the dealer's money.
Speaker 2:And then I bet you here's what's going to happen we win the lawsuit and then they're going to make the dealer figured out. They'll issue a dealer a check back and then the dealer's got the burden of trying to give the customer back all the money when that dealer, that dealer, could be out of business. Now you know what I mean. Then what? So this whole thing is just it's craziness. And this is just one way they know they can't regulate the guns out of existence. And this is just one way they know they can't regulate the guns out of existence. That's what they really want to do. They want to get rid of all the guns. They want to make it where you can't buy any guns. They know they can't do that. When it gets to the supreme court level, they know that they will lose. So they do these schemes the tax thing, the background check. They do all these things so difficult and expensive for the consumer and the dealer so that they just go out of business yeah, they do the same.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're absolutely right. They do the same thing as if we don't know. They're doing the same thing with the electric car, they're doing the same in gasoline. And they're doing the same thing, wanting us to move out from the forested lands and move to the city and their little smart cities.
Speaker 2:It's all trash the only thing that good good that came out of covid is it brought a lot of scared liberals out to buy firearms too, and they got to see how crazy this process really is really so you so you're seeing that from people.
Speaker 1:You're seeing liberals come in and go. This is ridiculous we did absolutely.
Speaker 2:They had no idea of the process. Because they only listen to the mainstream media. It's super easy to get a gun and blah blah, blah, blah blah.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:It's easier to get a C-section or whatever, I don't know whatever medical procedure they're thinking that they should do these days. They came in and got an ear and an eyeful of what it takes to actually purchase a firearm in the crazy state of California purchase of firearms in the crazy state of California.
Speaker 1:Are these people that moved away because they were sick of California? Or are these people who somehow politics came up? Or you happen to know their political stance and they're like hey, wait a minute, what? I don't agree with this. This is ridiculous. How, how, how do you?
Speaker 2:know. No, I'm saying liberals coming into the store to buy firearms in california during covid because they were afraid they didn't.
Speaker 2:Oh, I didn't know what we're gonna during covid. Yeah, that's the only thing good that came out of covid for the gun industry. My opinion and I and this is the opinion that is shared in my group of people that I I know in the gun industry that it brought people out that have never bought a gun before and they're more or less leaning and they got to see how absolutely crazy it is and all the hoops that you have to jump through to just purchase a firearm and it it it really opened up some people's eyes and I think it may have helped us in some of these cases. You know, in just public opinion sheer public opinion, wow, of these cases. You know, in just public opinion, sheer public opinion, wow. No, I could be wrong.
Speaker 2:I was counter level, watching it in real time as it was happening. People were so frustrated that we were turning them away. They didn't have the proper id to buy. They had to take a test. You know all these things. This is way before this new crazy 11 tax. You know what I mean. If you would have hit them with that, oh boy, their heads would have exploded.
Speaker 1:And I can imagine some of these people blindly supporting some of these anti-gun organizations thinking, oh, guns are bad, guns are bad. Then suddenly they realize, hey, wait a minute, maybe a gun is not such a bad idea. I might need that right now. You never know, wait a minute, I can't get a gun idea. I might need that right now. You never know, wait a minute, I can't get a gun. What are you talking about? Oh, I have to do this. I have to jump through this hoop, this hoop, but do this, and that I mean that is a real eye opener.
Speaker 1:And for you to say you stood there working a counter and saw it with your own eyes, that is pretty eye opening. I must say. I really is. But it does not surprise me though. I mean it's like it's like I've heard before. If you're a restaurant owner, you could be a Democrat and then open up a restaurant in the state of California. Within a year or two you'll start leaning more Republican because you realize the restrictions and everything that they put on you in this ridiculous state. Sometimes I love the state, but the politics I am not a fan of. I got to wrap it up.
Speaker 2:but ruined the greatest state in the nation. I've been all over this country and California is absolutely beautiful. The greater Sacramento area, I mean you could be in an hour and a half. You could be in the coast an hour, you could be in the dead of the mountains. I mean it's just a beautiful place to live and they're just absolutely ruining it. Southern California, all the beaches, I beaches, I mean it's just, it's insane. And uh, you know I don't miss the politics whatsoever, I don't miss all the taxations of living there.
Speaker 1:Uh, so to let everyone know that you are not living here. Uh, you're in where idaho. If I may say, is that okay?
Speaker 2:yeah yeah so, and I travel, uh, every seven weeks to all the stores.
Speaker 1:If California politics were not so crazy, okay, and you could do pretty much what you're doing in Idaho, would you choose to live in Idaho or would you still be in California?
Speaker 2:If I could live the way that I'm living here, as a free man, and make grown-up decisions for myself, like ride in the back of a truck, if I decided to do that on the freeway. If I could ride a motorcycle without a helmet if I so choose to do that. If I could carry a gun, whatever gun I wanted, including an AR-15, into the state building that they allow you to do here while the legislators are legislating laws, if I could do all those things in California and live like I do here, I would move to California for sure. It's a great place to be.
Speaker 2:The weather is fair, the people are awesome for the most part. But living as a free, coming here and getting to see that you get to make grownup decisions for yourself without them their hand on your back, pressing you down, there's nothing like it. And until people get out of California, they don't understand it. When people come here to visit, I tell them to bring a firearm, because even an out of stater can carry a firearm here as long as they can possess and purchase. They can carry a firearm wherever they go.
Speaker 1:I am curious only because I don't know. I honestly don't. So it's an honest question why would someone want to carry an AR-15 into a courtroom and why do you think that people would not be terrified if they saw? So let's say it's legal and which is. I'll get your opinion on that. But let's say, people in there who don't know about guns, they've seen these shootings, they've seen mass shootings and all that, and they're in a courtroom and they see a guy walk in or a person walk in with an ar-15 and they're absolutely terrified. They don't even know how to react to that so I have to correct you.
Speaker 2:it's not a courtroom, but in our state house, right in the statehouse, where they legislate all of our laws, it is absolutely 100% legal to carry a firearm right through the metal detectors which I don't think they really have metal detectors but openly carry. You can carry anything shotgun, rifle, pistol. I'm not advocating for that. I don't ever open carry, I'm not a big fan of it, never have been. But it's normal here to see people with firearms. It's absolutely to see somebody walking into a grocery store, a Costco, the state fair, the county fair, rocking a badass 1911 in their cowboy.
Speaker 2:That is commonplace. It's absolutely 100% commonplace. It's absolutely 100% commonplace. Now, I wouldn't say that going down to Boise proper, where they have all these LGBT flags flying all over the place down on City Hall, I don't think that would be normal. To see people down there, that's not like a normal thing, but it's legal to do and I don't think people freak out because it's just what they have done here. They've done open street forever, and so it's just what they have done here. They've done open forever, and so it's just. It's not a shocker when you see somebody out in the grocery store walking through costs with a handgun. It's just not and it's not uncommon. I mean, I've seen Facebook posts, ig posts, where guys were riding their motorcycles and they've got an AR-15 on their back because they're going to the range.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean it's just.
Speaker 2:Other people aren't fear mongers here. They don't live in fear like we. Everybody has a gun. There's a gun in every car.
Speaker 1:It reminds me a little bit of arizona because, you know, I don't know if it's still like that, but people open, carry and people ride motorcycles without helmets. That was their right to do that and I think they were one of the last states. I think it still might be that way where you don't have to wear a helmet. I don't, don't, I'm not sure.
Speaker 2:You know what the biggest shocker was for me when we first moved. These were the two biggest shockers for me. Seeing Bordicalli with no leash, no collar, riding on the back of a flatbed truck on the freeway that was an eye-opener because I'm a dog lover and I was like man. That dog is unsecured on the back. The dog is jumping up on top of the cab, loving life.
Speaker 1:Then seeing kids riding in the back of a pickup truck kids grade school kids in the back of a pickup truck going to elementary school. That's old school right there, I got to say that's old school right there.
Speaker 2:I gotta say that is old. To people that have grown up here, live here. That's normal life, just like guns are. So I'm sure all the transplants that are coming here, like myself. Those were the only two things that shocked me. I was super excited to see so many people exercising their rights Like I. It was just amazing to me. I'm like man. This is a lot more than I would ever have thought. Our realtor, dominic Brandon. He's a specialist. He moves people from California to here. When the first day I met him he had a freaking. He had a Glock 19 that was painted with his company logo. It was fair, coated with his company logo on the side of the gun that was our first interaction with him.
Speaker 2:He was showing us houses with a an open firearm, open carrying a firearm not going to see that in california now you're not going to see that well, great information.
Speaker 1:Rob adams, owner of sacramento black rifle. Why don't you give us your address for your shop wherever you are, whether you're in sparks, bo Boise or Sacramento listening?
Speaker 2:I think the easiest way. If you want to go visit the Sacramento store and give us some support, we would really greatly appreciate that. I know in these times it's difficult. The tax is killing a lot of people, but we're located at 8095 Greenback Lane in Sitter Heights, right on the corner of Greenback and Faro.
Speaker 1:Sweet.
Speaker 2:B, sweet B. Yes, and you can get us at shopblackriflecom All three stores. Inventory is on that webpage. And then just on all of the social medias Sacramento Black Rifle on Instagram Our Facebook was deleted years ago and then all the Instagram handles Boise, black rifle, black rifle. Drop us a line, tell us that you heard us on the podcast.
Speaker 1:Very good. I would love it If you would do that. What he just said. Tell him you heard him on the past peeps podcast would be very, very helpful. So thanks for saying that, Rob. Thank you for your time today, Um, and today, and great business that you have there, and you know what this is going to inform a lot of people and help a lot of people be more knowledgeable about what to expect and what could happen and what's been going on. So thank you for that, okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and if anybody has any questions after this podcast, you're more than welcome to reach out to me on any of those platforms. I respond directly to those, or you can email me at rob at boiseblackriflecom.
Speaker 1:Very good, rob Adams, thank you, give me back my bullets, put them back where they belong. Ain't fooling around because I've done. Had my fun. Go listen to the Penn Jillette interview on Pat's Peeps 306. Thank you today to Rob Adams and thanks to you for listening. See you on the radio.
