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Ep. 331 Today's Peep Pays Tribute to Fallen Icons: Robert Redford, Bobby Hart, and their Cultural Impact, LFR Family Perspective on Charlie Kirk Murder, and I'd Never Seen a Baseball Umpire Tossed from the Game Until Now
Two entertainment legends left us on the same day, each leaving behind an extraordinary legacy that shaped American culture in profound ways.
Robert Redford, Hollywood's golden boy who died at 89, wasn't just the handsome leading man who made hearts flutter in classics like "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid." He revolutionized filmmaking through his founding of the Sundance Film Institute, creating a platform for independent cinema that forever changed how stories reach audiences. His Oscar-winning direction of "Ordinary People" (which controversially beat "Raging Bull") showcased his commitment to meaningful storytelling over commercial appeal. Redford's environmental activism and anti-establishment approach allowed him to use his celebrity to advance creative agendas while subverting Hollywood norms.
Simultaneously, we lost Bobby Hart at 86, the songwriting genius behind hits that defined generations. Working alongside Tommy Boyce, Hart crafted the soundtrack to the 1960s through unforgettable Monkees songs including their theme song, "Last Train to Clarksville," and "I'm Not Your Stepping Stone." Mickey Dolenz remembered him as "the stillness in the eye of the hurricane" during the band's meteoric rise. Hart's talents extended beyond the Monkees, writing "Hurt So Bad" for Little Anthony and the Imperials and "Come a Little Bit Closer" for Jay and the Americans – songs that still resonate decades later.
We also explore a powerful perspective on the Charlie Kirk shooting from the LFR family, discussing race, opportunity, and victimhood mentality in America. Their commentary provides thought-provoking insights on personal responsibility and overcoming obstacles.
Join us as we pay tribute to these cultural giants and explore how their work continues to influence our world today. Subscribe to hear more conversations about the legends who shape our culture and the discussions that matter in today's America.
welcoming you, my friends, to the pats peeps podcast. We're at 331 on this Tuesday morning. I'm actually doing this. I got two minutes to go before it's officially noon. I like it when I can get these done in the morning. The podcast how are you today? Hope your day has gotten off to a good start, looking out my studio windows into the beautiful foothills of Northern California, it is a sunny day. I don't know how hot it's going to be. I think it's going to be pretty warm again. It was warm yesterday, like in the 90s. Anyhow, I think that's where we can expect. Today is another day in the 90s and then, as I understand, towards the end of the week, at least in our area and wherever you are. Thank you for listening to my podcast and don't forget, hey, we support local business. Two for one dinners till the end of the month at Rock and Soul Diner R-O-C and Soul S-O-L Diner in Sacramento. The more of you that go in there and get your free food because that's a great deal, you know what the better off we'll all be, because you're going to save money and we're going to support this business, and then we'll have more and more businesses to support, which makes it a win, win, win. Anyhow, thank you, as always, for tuning in. By the way, my name is Pat Walsh. I'm also the host of the Pat Walsh Radio Show. It's the Pat Walsh Show as heard on KFBK Radio in Sacramento, 93.1 FM, 1530 AM, and we stream live everywhere, just like my podcast.
Speaker 1:Tonight, when I go in, I'm going to talk about the loss of Robert Redford, who passed away at the age of 89. I always liked that guy. I mean, if you know me, I'm not a huge movie guy, but there are movies that I like and when I see them I'll always remember them, because for me they're few and far between. Robert Redford had some great movies and I respected the way he treated filmmaking. He didn't appreciate some of the Hollywood style of making over-budget films and things. He was responsible. I believe he was the founder, obviously, of the Sundance Film Festival and he has died, like I say, at 89 years old. What a handsome guy this guy. All the ladies loved him. He was always the talk like as one of the top hunks of Hollywood that the women always loved this guy, the top sex symbol in the 70s, certainly, and into the 80s, the leading man. He was like the golden boy. He won an Oscar for directing a great movie Ordinary People.
Speaker 1:Now, wait a minute. Didn't Ordinary People beat out a movie I liked? Now, I'm curious about that. I need to Google that. I think Ordinary People now again, I don't know that much about movies, but I don't even know why that. Just need to google that. I think ordinary people now again, I don't know that much about movies, but I don't even know why. That just occurred to me. Did, let me see, did or did? I'm just gonna do this on the fly. Did ordinary people win an oscar? Um, because I think it beat out raging bull Bull, which is my favorite movie. Let me see. Yes, I can't believe it. I can't believe I knew that Ordinary People, which is a good, it's a great movie. I forgot what it's about. I remember watching it and I knew it was. I can't remember what it was about. Sorry, it really has to stick in my mind. Where's Raging Bull Dead? That was at the 53rd Academy Awards. Ordinary People won four Oscars Best Picture, best Director, four Robert Redford, best Adapted Screenplay. Raging Bull won two Oscars Best Actor, for the guy that used to be my favorite actor. Now he's a bum, robert De Niro. I say bum I'm being mild with that now. I have other things I might call him at this point and best film editing for Thelma Schoonmaker in that movie, but I just remembered that for some reason that it beat out Raging Bull. I cannot believe a movie beat out Raging Bull. With all due respect, that's an amazing movie. So yeah, and again, he was the founder of the Sundance Film Institute. He passed away today at his home in Utah. He was an actor turned director, like so many people do. Ron Howard, so many others had a stellar run in films like the Way we Were, oh my gosh, which, of course, go back. I mean, barbara Streisand, of course, sang the song the Way we Were. That was a huge hit. The Sting, which, of course, sang the song the way we were. That was worked less frequently, both in front and behind the camera in recent years. Matter of fact, his last on-screen acting job was in 2019's Avengers Endgame, in which he reprised the role of Secretary Alexander Pierce, joined several other Marvel vets as Michael Douglas and Tilda Swinton, but in his heyday in the 1970s, there were very few actors that possessed Robert Redford's star quality. I mean geez, you know. I mean again, he was a sex symbol. What can you say he was? He was the Farrah Fawcett. You know we had Farrah Fawcett as guys For the women. It was Robert Redford and Paul Newman. He was an environmental activist and, as I mentioned before, he had an anti-establishment approach to filmmaking. That's what I really love. He pioneered efforts in providing a platform for indie filmmakers and he was able to use his celebrity to subvert the status quo while advancing his own creative agenda. One of my favorite movies with Robert Redford is when he teams up with Paul Newman. This movie was so popular Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid 1969. They're stranded on the cliff Not stranded, but they're on the cliff. I should say Sort of stranded. Well, the way I figure it, we can either fight or give. If we give, we go to jail. I've been there already. If we fight, we stay right where they are and starve us out, or go for position, shoot us. Might even get a rock slide started and get us that way. What else can they do?
Speaker 1:They could surrender to us, but I wouldn't count on that.
Speaker 3:They're going for position, all right.
Speaker 4:Better get ready.
Speaker 1:Better get ready, kid, the next time I say let's go someplace like Bolivia. Let's go someplace like Bolivia Next time, ready, no we'll jump. Like hell, we will.
Speaker 3:No, it'll be okay If the water's deep enough we don't get squished to death, he'll never follow us. How do you know? Would you make a jump like that? And you didn't have to.
Speaker 1:I have to, and I'm not gonna. Well, we got to, otherwise we're dead. They're just gonna have to go back down the same way. They come, come on.
Speaker 4:Just one clear shot. That's all I want. Come on, we got to Get away from me. Why I want to fight them? They'll kill us Maybe.
Speaker 1:You want to die, do you? All? Right, I'll jump first. No, then you jump first no. I said what's the matter with the fall will?
Speaker 4:probably kill you.
Speaker 1:Oh shit, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh oh oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. We'll be talking about Robert Redford and his passing tonight and take your phone calls as well. So also today we have some listener content. Oh, it is 9-1-6 day, so we're going to celebrate Sacramento on the Pat Wall show tonight as well. So happy 9-1-6 day if you're in the Sacramento area.
Speaker 1:So listener content today. Here's a great one from Joe. Now, I've never seen this before, neither had Joe, and I'm a big baseball fan, so I have never seen an umpire. Now, I've seen a lot of umpires eject players, but I never until this point seen an umpire ejected from a game until now and tucker nathans was just ejected by warren nicholson.
Speaker 4:Now he'll get his money's worth. T TJ Stanton sprinted down from the third base coaching box and Nathans continues to plead his case, getting in Nicholson's face Now. Reed TJ standing with his arms folded. Now and now Nicholson just made contact with Nathans and TJ is pulling Tucker out of the fray. One of the boulders left the dugout. He's incensed. Cito Culver comes over from shortstop into foul ground. The three umpires now making their way up the first baseline, but Tucker Nathans is really heated now. Warren Nicholson appeared to have shoved him and in all my years of watching baseball at every level imaginable, I have never seen an umpire ejected from a game.
Speaker 1:Exactly Ejected from a minor league baseball game after a physical altercation with a player, he turned around, basically punched him, looked like he punched him to me in the gut. This is during an argument during a league mandated tablet used for sign stealing accusations. This is according to Sports Illustrated. The umpire, warren Nicholson, was subsequently removed from the game by the chief umpire and then replaced by a quote nearby umpire. This was the frontier league baseball game between the new york boulders and the tri-city valley cats. I'll tell you that the minor league teams have the best names of any teams in sports the new york boulders and the tri-city valley cats. And again, the incident began when they found a tablet in the dugout as they're stealing signs. Amazing. Now for something a little less. Shall we say something a little more serious. This comes from Raymond. This is the LFR family and they are discussing the the Murder of Charlie Kirk. Now I thought this would be a very interesting perspective.
Speaker 2:This is a black perspective on the shooting LFR family especially black people that are saying Charlie Kirk was racist and was not for black people and did not know black people. I am 100 percent convinced that you have never sat through a full debate of his or watched any of his debates with a sound understanding. Black people are always so quick to want to be the victim of a situation that they can't thrive, and this is one of the things that Charlie Kirk was exposing to black people. We have such a cap on us because we think we're limited because we're black or because we're women, and because we think our ancestors, whatever they went through, is still impacting us today. But we are not there anymore. Charlie kirk wasn't saying that we didn't need or black problems didn't matter. He was saying hey, you're not a slave anymore and there are no more laws that are holding you back, saying that you can't do what a white person can do. You should get up and go and try these methods and become somebody. One thing we got to understand is life is hard and we don't need handouts. Handouts is making people weak and sensitive. That's why this man was just killed over mere opinions Having an opinion. This man never said nothing racist or hated or hateful towards black people.
Speaker 2:I followed this man very closely and watched many of his debates and I stand in agreement with a lot of the things that he said, and I really, if I disagree with anything, it was so small. I can't even think about nothing I disagree with, and I just hate that we are a people who are so quick to be controlled by the word racism that just one little clip misrepresenting what somebody said is all we need to throw somebody under the bus. We gotta think about this. Who are the kind of people? This was a white on white crime, and whenever these type of people get involved, that means there is some power being seeped out somewhere to the masses that the people in control don't want the power to be with, and this is what he was doing. He was showing a lot of people that are blind and programmed by the system to wake up and get out the matrix, and this was the problem. Telling black people you don't need government assistance because you can be somebody is not racist. Telling us that government assistance has hindered us because before we were on government assistance, we were a more successful people. It is not racist by reading and understanding the facts ever since we start getting subsidized by the government. We have been controlled by the government, and not in only what we can do, but how we think, and this is a person who challenges you to think for yourself.
Speaker 2:The things he said about George Floyd y'all act like because an officer killed George Floyd. That made him a saint, like he wasn't a criminal, like he wasn't on drugs. That's what caused him to be suffocated and pass out. That made him a saint. Like he wasn't a criminal, like he wasn't on drugs. That's what caused him to be suffocated and pass out. Yeah, like he wasn't resisting, like he was just being a good law abiding citizen and was just taken out senselessly like we do each other. That wasn't the case.
Speaker 3:That wasn't the case at all. I'm a letter cook, but that was not the case at all. Man, this brother could have been in the back of the car. Y'all know how much it took to get him to sit in the back of the car. Did you commit a crime? Yes, are there witnesses? Yes, could you please get out of the car and turn around? But what I do, I can't get out of the car, I can't get in there, I can't put the cuffs on. I'm claustrophobic. It over and over and over.
Speaker 3:Listen, bro. You like six, five, six, seven. You weigh like 225, 250. You're a big dude and you're already on drugs right now. This don't have to go that way. But if you continue to resist and don't want to listen to anything we say, what do you think is going to happen? Are you above being arrested? Are you above being pulled over in question? Yes, you have your rights, but we're not trying to violate that. Bro. You are the one that's in the wrong. You was just now in there trying to use a fake 20 bill. This was all you. The store owners called you in, bro, and you was high. You was about to drive away in this minivan, but yet you're claustrophobic all of a sudden. Yeah, make that make sense.
Speaker 2:Let her continue to cook so when they are pointing out this stuff, y'all don't like nobody telling y'all the truth. Black people don't want to hear the truth because we benefit off of not working and being lazy, off of government assistance and stuff. One thing char thing Charlie Kirk also said, was, if the black people want to become better, we're going to have to stop celebrating crime and murder. Our culture is destruction. Our culture is destruction and it ain't nothing we can do or say to change that. Everything we have from the women in our idolization groups Beyonce, summer Walker, sza, cardi B, sexy Red all of them are horrible examples of how to be as a woman. The same thing with the NBA Youngboy Lil Baby, da Baby, lil Wayne, baby P Diddy All of those are examples of how to be a terrible person. And what he is saying is get these examples from in front of you and your kids so that y'all can thrive. Also, let's work on building a family back. One of the things that destroyed the family was removing a father out the home. Put that back together so we can start becoming a good community. But we don't like being told nothing. We don't like being told how to better ourselves because we want to be victims so bad we want to be at the bottom of somebody's pity party, so bad that we'll take anything we can to disregard or dismiss any ethical or sound doctrine to help better ourselves so that we can steady dwell on a past that no longer affects us and that we can overcome and have the ability to become somebody.
Speaker 2:My last point is I always tell my daughter, because I made her read about Madam CJ Walker, a self-made black woman, millionaire during a time way worse than today.
Speaker 2:So everybody, with all these excuses of why you can't be successful because you black or a woman, with all these excuses of why you can't be successful because you black or a woman, odds have always been being defeated since the beginning of time. Stop teaching your kids and capping your kids at you black or you a woman, so there's stripes against you. Stop teaching that to your kids and let them know you're going to have to work hard for whatever you want, be resourceful and go for what it is that your goal is. But we keep teaching each other that, oh, it's hard because we black. I've been a victim of that mentality too, and that keeps you in a slave mentality. It keeps you from going to strive If you are conditioning people and making people believe that I automatically am going to lose or fail or it's going to be even harder for me just because I'm black. Most people are not going to even get up and put their best foot forward.
Speaker 3:Woman. You better shut up and preach. You better be quiet and continue to preach the way you're doing. She is on fire. The more you tell somebody that they can't do anything, they will listen. How do we train these elephants and tigers inside of circuses? Huh, we will put a chain on them short enough to move around in this space right there. Then we will put a rope on them short enough to move around in this space. Then we will put something extremely thin that they can just rip off, short enough for them to move around in this one space, this secluded area. Then we will remove the restraints and they will continue to just move around in that short area. This has been tested on monkeys, ants and other animals and insects. It's been tested on human beings.
Speaker 3:When you constantly tell us that we cannot do, we start to believe it. When you constantly tell us that we are held down by our race and the color of our skin, we start to believe it. We start to believe that we need help. We start to believe that, even if we don't have a father in our house, that we cannot do certain things, which is an all out lie. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 3:Man, I didn't have my mother nor my father in my house at all. Neither did my wife. She didn't have her mother. Well, father in my house at all. Neither did my wife. She didn't have her mother. Well, she had her mother, but her mom was. She was sick. Let's say that she was sick. She was one of the people in the hood that ended up trying some things that didn't go well, right, and her dad wasn't there. But that didn't dictate how we was when we went to school, how far we wanted to go, the fact that we wanted to have a nuclear family for ourselves, the fact that we wanted to involve God's principles, biblical principles, in our lives, the fact that we wanted to put education, god and family before anything in our own household. We held our children to a higher standard when it came to their education and because of that they are all successful. Not believing that just because my dad went through this, just because I'm black, just because my mom's black, that we don't have? No, no, she is absolutely 1,000% right.
Speaker 2:Okay, let me let her cook for the simple fact that people don't want to do better, that people hate knowledge. The Bible says in Proverbs, chapter 1, 22 through 24, when will you fools stop hating knowledge? Fools hate knowledge. And that's all this man was giving out is knowledge. And if anybody saw fit that this man should be executed in front of his white kids and thousands and thousands of people just because he was giving out knowledge, it's absolutely insane. And if anybody thought this was okay or warranted, it's absolutely insane.
Speaker 2:And we got to pray about your heart and I pray over this country in the name of jesus, lord, that you begin to touch the hearts of the people here in this world, lord.
Speaker 2:Their hearts are growing cold. They're beginning to love murder and death. They're beginning to love to see people suffering, good people suffering. And I'm just asking heavily, father, in the name of Jesus, that you come down here and you rest your soul on us and you open and soften the hearts of the people of the world who are constantly in rejection to you or the truth of any kind. We speak the truth and declare the truth, no matter what, in the name of Jesus, amongst everybody, no matter how you feel about it, no matter how your feelings get hurt, because all of this saving people's feelings and stopping people from getting offended is why somebody felt the need to go and assassinate somebody for having an opinion. We got to be careful what we listen to and what we fall for, and stop falling for the propaganda and lies that is being used to control us and tell us how to think instead of thinking for ourselves amen.
Speaker 1:I didn't want to interrupt any of that lfr family on youtube. Very, very powerful statements there. Pat's peeps 331 on this tuesday. Thank you for joining us. Don't forget ai lending. If you go to ai lending, it's my brother's business, my brother tim. The information is on our page at patspeepscom. If you go to ai lending your name and you go through them with your, with your lending needs, if you're buying a home, they're going to give you your appraisal feedback and we'll put your name in a hat and you could be off to Europe, win a pair of tickets to go to Europe with conservative tours. We're going to Sicily with them next month. Other news here on Pat's Peeps 331. We not only lost Robert Redford, but we lost Bobby Hart, who was a hit maker, an incredible song writer. Bobby Hart passed away at the age of 86. Wrote some of the greatest hits, for instance for the Monkees. He performed in his own right. There made the top ten as a member of the duo Boyce and Hart. He wrote, among other things, the theme to the Monkees.
Speaker 4:Here we come, walking down the street. We get the funniest looks from here we come walking down the street, we get the funniest looks from everyone we meet.
Speaker 1:Hey, hey, we're the monkeys and people say we monkey around. But we're too busy singing to put anybody down. Hart was associated throughout his career with co-writer Tommy Boyce, his official partner at Screen Gems in Columbia. Together they wrote a series of hits for the Monkees yeah, the theme song Too busy singing to put anybody down. Also, they wrote the 1966 number one hit.
Speaker 4:Last Train to Clarksville. Take the last train of clocks, bill, and I'll meet you at the station. You can be here by 4.30, cause I've made your reservation. Don't be slow.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, cause I'm leaving. They also wrote several other hits for the Monkees, including one I used to sing to my wife, valerie. It's a song called Valerie, back when I was married to Valerie, pats Peeps 331.
Speaker 1:She's still a sweetheart by the way, he also wrote a number three, excuse me. Yes, number three hit on the Hot 100. I Want To Be Free Words. And this, great well, this is a very underrated song in my opinion. I'm Not your Stepping Stone, uh words. And this, great well, this is a very underrated song in my opinion. I'm not your stepping stone, I'm not your stepping stone I'm not your stepping stone.
Speaker 2:I'm not your stepping stone. You're trying to make your mark.
Speaker 1:Mickey Dolenz of the Monkees, who has been a guest right here on Pat's Peeps we have a two-part with Mickey on Pat's Peeps Issued a statement of sympathy saying another great one is gone I guess he passed away yesterday morning who, along with Tommy Boyce says Mickey, penned and produced some of the monkeys' greatest hits not only made a vital contribution to the popular success of the monkeys but even more importantly, to the essence, the very spirit of the entire venture. Mickey says. His talent, charisma, good humor and calmness in the face of what at times was nothing less than a maniacal rollercoaster ride often brought a sense of peace and heartened everyone around him. He was the stillness that is in the eye of the hurricane. Again, that is according to Mickey Dolenz. But he didn't just write songs for the monkeys.
Speaker 1:Another song that became a standard, a first number 10 pop hit for Little Anthony and the Imperials. And I remember I got to introduce them on stage and Little Anthony came up to me as he's coming out on stage right after I introduced him. He looks at me, he gave the big smile and he goes. That was a good introduction. He high-fived me. But he wrote this song Hurt so Bad. Great tune Written by Bobbyby hart.
Speaker 4:I know you don't know what I'm going through standing here looking at you you. Let me tell you that it hurts so bad.
Speaker 1:It makes me feel so sad. I remember I used to walk around singing this song as a kid. I'd sing a lot of these kind of songs when I was a kid. Can you imagine?
Speaker 2:Like needles and pins.
Speaker 1:This song also went to number eight by Linda Ronstadt in 1980. Here's another one he wrote I'd forgotten about this song, but man, this would be like on the all-time jukebox 45s. I would always like Gary Puckett in the Union Gap for some reason in my mind, and some others, this one would always seem like it would be like Zegra and Evans. This one would be on a jukebox. Jay and the Americans come a little bit closer In a little cafe just the other side of the border.
Speaker 1:It's almost got a little Marty Robbins in it, doesn't it?
Speaker 2:You're sitting there giving me looks that make my mouth water Water.
Speaker 4:The last part is walking her way.
Speaker 1:She belonged to.
Speaker 4:Batman, jose, and I knew, yes, I knew I should leave when I heard her say hey, come a little bit closer.
Speaker 1:You're my kind of man, so big and so strong. Come a little bit closer. You're my kind of man, so big and so strong. Come a little bit closer, I'm all alone.
Speaker 4:And the night is so long.
Speaker 1:Very different feel from From the others. Definitely a tinge of Marty Robbins in there. Bobby Hart writing that one as well. And then he did another one. He wrote another one that became very well known for a much different reason. He also wrote the theme to Days of Our Lives. He also wrote the theme to Days of Our Lives. If you're a fan of these soap, these soap operas, daytime TV, these are the days of our lives. What is it Like? Sand to the hourglass or something like that. I didn't watch these, but I do remember that he wrote that. Bobby Hart rest in peace. Robert Redford, rest in peace. Thank you for listening. We'll get your feedback on these gentlemen on my show tonight on the Pat Wall Show. So until then, my friends, thank you and we'll see you on the radio. Thank you.
