
The Taylor Method for Pain-Free Living
THE TAYLOR METHOD for Pain-Free Living features Dr. Derek Taylor & Dr. Hudson Taylor, Directors of Taylor Chiropractic & Laser Center in Florida and California, both known for helping people transform their lives by discovering hidden causes of their painful health challenges and resolving these issues using THE TAYLOR METHOD™, a proprietary treatment tailored to each patient. The podcast features enlightening conversations packed with specialized knowledge and tips for improving one’s health. Each week, this father and son doctor duo speaks with national experts who are tremendous contributors to their health and wellness industry and have spent their professional career-enhancing the lives of others.
The Taylor Method for Pain-Free Living
Episode 044: Introducing The Hunter Method - An Unconventional Therapy That Helps People & Pets (Dogs) Get Out Of Pain
Listen to Dr. Taylor and Stephanie Hunter, developer of The Hunter Method and muscle expert, speak about her unique therapy that focuses on bringing healing to both people and pets (dogs)...
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because the client was like, hey, you know, they told me I needed hip surgery and you help me, can you? They're saying the same thing to my dog? Can you help my dog and I was like, I don't, I don't know, bring your dog in. So I work with the dog and the dog got better. Everybody has muscles and muscles get tight. And when muscles get tight and press on nerves, they cause problems. And if you can change that muscle memory, then they feel better. Hi, it's Dr. Derek Taylor. Welcome to the Taylor method for pain free living Podcast. I'm here with my special guest, Stephanie Hunter. Stephanie Hunter is a pain relief expert and inventor and developer of the hunter method, which is a very innovative, unique approach of getting rid of people and dogs pain using her proprietary techniques that she has come across and developed over the past 31 years. Plus, and so we are so excited to have you on our guests, as our guests here on our show. Stephanie. Thank you and welcome to the show. Thank you. Thank you for having me. Now you have been practicing, you have been a practitioner that has helped 10s of 1000s of people over the past 31 years in Jupiter. Now you just recently relocated to Chattanooga, Tennessee, the background, the beautiful background there. And so you have developed this unique proprietary method of helping people and dogs get rid of pain. Using your methods. How did you have this all come about? It came about really because I was in a lot of pain. And when I was growing up I was a gymnast and that I was I got into cheerleading that says it all right there gymnast and cheerleader, you're gonna have some issues here. And then I was in 17 car accidents and four years. After that, I just thought it was game over. And I I just I was really desperate. And I got down on my knees and prayed and said, God, please help me and I got off of all the medications and, and all that stuff that was really, really hindering me and make me severely depressed. And I just thought there's got to be a better way. So I searched out natural methods and started my journey went to massage school. And I was just obsessed with trying to figure out a way to get lasting relief. I wanted lasting relief. I didn't want to be on medications or anything and, and so I just learned it all did it all and kind of kept putting it together and putting it together and helped a lot of people along the way. And I'm and that's that's how I've gotten to this. But uh it was really Tony Robbins in 2013 I met him. And you know, he just wrote one of the best selling books on alternative health and is the biggest Health Net I've ever met my whole life like it takes to the next level. So when he met me, he's like, I love healers like you. And I don't like the word healer. I always feel like people heal themselves. I kind of help. But anyways, I didn't say anything. And then he said, he says, you know, I'd love to have you work on whatever. So I started working with him. And then about six months later, because I said that you haven't had this and you haven't had me. And that's when I started working with him. And then halfway through a treatment one day, he grabbed my hand and he said like, You got to figure out what you're doing. really figure it out, train other people and get this into the world. The world needs this. And so that's what I've been doing since 2013. So I've trained other therapists, and this has kind of morphed into also helping dogs. So what I have right here you can kind of see is Baxter, but dogs get pain too. And so I adapted my therapy because the client was like, hey, you know, they told me I needed hip surgery and you help me can you they're saying the same thing to my dog. Can you help my dog and I was like, I don't I don't know, bring your dog in. So I work with the dog and the dog got better. That was like nine years ago now. And so now like I teach people how to help their own dogs so kind of cut out the middleman right but the healer. Yeah, I I believe everybody has a unique gift of being able to heal. We all have these amazing hands. And I've been at this for 31 years. So I'm, I'll be 58 this year. And I've done 94,000 treatments in my lifetime. So I just want to like pass the baton over to everybody and show them how powerful they are. It's not just the healers in the world. We're all healers, and especially if you have love, you can help your animal you just need to know the right, the right technique and whatnot. And I can I can teach that so, well. Baxter is right there, why don't you show us a little bit about what you're talking about here as you teach others how to help there. I mean, we can have a whole show just on your human practice. But I thought it was interesting that you have this passion to help owners help their dogs, there's so many people that have dogs, and I just thought that was that's so unique, and you're pretty passionate about it, you're gonna be you're, you've been doing this now for nine years. And you've seen the incredible results that people have had with their dogs and whatnot. And so while you're there, why don't you just tell us a little bit about the hunter method and how it works. And in particularly in this case here with animals with an Baxter being right there in front of you. He likes your voice, he's like just like, cuddled in like, Oh, yes. It's funny, if we say, h u n t our time, he can't spell yet. But if I say that, and it'll just she'll start going berserk. Because he knows, maybe he can spell because he's but um, so. So the easiest way just to explain Hunter method is that it's a touch and movement technique that changes the muscle memory. And so the muscles go back to their original state before they got scared, whether was an accident and over stretching or whatever. So using touch and movement, lets the brain know that it's safe to move. And so the person or the dog heals themselves, it's not me the practitioner that's like trying to go really deep or trying to get the right stretch, you know, because if we scare the muscles, then the muscles are just going to stay to where they are. So like, what it looks like with humans is the the client is dressed and the therapist acts more like a coach and moving and touching their muscles. And that's like the simplistic version of it, but it's a touch and movement technique. So it's an interactive Muscle Therapy. I googled that the other day, I put it in quotes, interactive Muscle Therapy, and the only thing that comes up is my stuff. So I'm just always hands on I don't really like spend much time on the computer, but interactive Muscle Therapy so when I look at a dog Baxter when I look at a dog like that, it's fun to go poor on third time. So when I look at a dog i i Just look at it like a little human with with for now Baxter is, I don't know if I can move this without knocking everything over. There we go. But Baxter is 100 pound Mastiff. And sometimes he really reps himself because he works. Because he's like, Oh, you Hunter time. So what am I doing right now? I'm petting Baxter, right? So that's a beautiful thing. And we all pet our dogs, right? But when you when you do the, the 100th time you actually I just returned, you know, I adapted my human style. For dogs. I'm kind of like not to lean over here, but I'm going to touch and move him. And I'm just like I would with a human. This is this little scapula here. And I'm behind here and I watch and move just like I would a human I know Do you want me to keep going? So and, and even like the what you know what he's doing right now. We do a lot of stuff with a jaw and he see his mouth is so funny. Why not. But anyways, we do a lot of stuff with TMJ and he's got such a big jaw and everything that when you start going near his mouth, he starts opening and closing his mouth. But here it's like, but you use the touch and movement. And so if I was working as chess, I use it. I do the chest muscles and I go backwards and I go through the whole body Do you like that? What are you feeling for with your hands when you're on the muscle there as you move in the leg? Yeah, so I'm looking for any kind of tightness. But the the focus is that you do the whole the whole muscle and feel for things. And with you know, like with humans, sometimes a human won't tell you if something hurts, or if you're on the right place, right. But with a dog, they tell you right away, so that's a really good thing. So when I teach dog parents how to work on their own dogs. So if I was gonna work, so instead of petting, right, I'm just having a little bit of a hard time with wanting to show you in the video without, you know, but if so he's just playing right now. So his, his nickname when he was younger was Parana. Because he lives through his mouth, right? But see how I'm moving his neck now. Right? You can see that good. Thing is muscle, and I'm moving his head. And He's entertaining mice himself with my hand. Good boy. Yeah, good boy. So he's had some real. I know, I know. So he said some one time about six months ago, he was, as my husband calls it a three legged dog. And this is kissing me. And so I said, Well, let's take the dog to the vet just to see what other people go through. Because he's like, he knows we'll just work on the dog, the dog we fine. So the we took the dog to the vet, he's 100 pounds. He's 93 pounds. So not yet. 100. But he's a big, muscular boy. And so they they did the drawer test and they straightened his knees farther than the knee wanted to go. And they said, Oh, and he had a reaction. And they said, Oh, he needs surgery right away. We gotta get him right away. And I said, Well, did we do an MRI? And they said, No, we don't do MRIs. I'm like, okay, so what are you seeing? And she's like, well, there's fusion on the knee. And there's Connor contralateral indicators. And so we need to do this surgery right away. Otherwise, he's gonna get arthritis in the future. I'm like, okay, so you're going to what you're going to put a metal plate in was screws, and you're going to end the joint was made incorrectly. That's what you told us the joint was made incorrectly, but they're gonna save an alter the joint. So I'm thinking, did God make junk? You know, dogs knees are bent. That's how they're made. Right? So I did not act like I was an expert on anything I was just asking. I was I tried to put myself into someone's shoes doesn't know what I know. Right? I said, so. So the effusion. So there's some water on the knee, and he's favoring his other leg. And so you think that that warrants surgery right away? And she says, Oh, definitely, he's blown his knee out. And I said, Well, what about wolves? And she said, What about wolves? I said, do wolves need to get surgery to cheese? Just know, they have different biologic factors and whatnot. And I'm like, Oh, come on. Like, anyways, I worked in the dog twice. And it was his, it was his butt, right? Also known as the ass. And, and his so as, right the, and those two muscles were tight. And once they weren't tight, then he was fine. And he was no longer limping. And he would have been created for eight weeks. And they said, as soon as we do that knee for good measure, we'll do the other knee. And it's $1,000 cash. And, and that's it. And you have to have this done. So I've saved so many people from from that. And I'm not, I'm not saying that the dogs never have to get knee surgery. But any doctor or vet that I know always the good ones always say to everything alternative and natural first, before you do surgery, they would all my good surgeon, friends, they all say the same thing. They want people to get better naturally, they tell their clients that their patients that so. And he he he works at the car shop with my husband, so he runs around all day with tires around his neck and really, really athletic. And he that was I want to find the papers on that. I'm going to ask to have them release those papers, because and then I but made me think of it because you said what do you feel? And I said, Hey, um, do you think it could have something to do with tight muscles, maybe pressing on the nerve? And she went like this. She took a finger like this, and she just touched the dog's muscle like this. And she said, No, I mean maybe the muscle is tight because the joint is blown out by Otherwise, I'm sure it's fine. So, anyway, how patients skill can be taught, right? And so I'm actually going to do this one. One Mom, mom, mom, mom, mom, mom, mom, mom say I don't have to see his face. Yeah. So he's letting me touch his little John here. And he loves us because he's always so I'm just palpating as masseter is falling backwards. You want me to keep doing it? I know. I know. Mr. Khurana, Mr. Baxter. So, but my my vision is to, to help people everywhere. And it's not just people that like dogs that are limping or in pain. And arthritic dogs, dogs with hip dysplasia, that this congenital things are born with. And, and then instead of just padding to, to be able to do the touch and movement and help the dog and, and they love it. And he he lives on the day one just stares out like mommy about some Hunter time. And, and even like teeny tiny dogs. So people say like, well, your dog is so big and athletic. Well, what about my little dog, right? It's just like people, you know, I'm sure you see a lot of football players. And then you see, like, you know, very tiny women and you know, and then seven days or whatever, so that everybody has muscles and muscles get tight. And when muscles get tight and press on nerves, they cause problems. And if you can change that muscle memory, then they feel better. And the dogs let you know right away of what it is that you know, they feel. And so I think I told you like so starting October 11, Wednesday nights, I'm going to show up live on a zoom. And we're going to do a hunter method for dogs masterclass, every Wednesday night at 7pm. So you bring your dog, and you turn the sound off, and I'll have the tech setup. So you know, you can easily see me working with the dog. And by the time you get out that call, you will know one area of the body one Move one, whatever, how to do it, yourself. So then you can go on and help your own dog I have the videos are online, you can buy them today, they're great, but I know a lot of people are busy and to say you're gonna get on there and watch the videos and go through it. This sounds like you're gonna go get a master's degree. So just easy peasy signing up, you know, every week, and they'll be recorded. So if you miss it, you can follow along, you know, after. And so you're seeing you're saying that the dog lets you know where to work is that by them. You can see that they're responding well to the treatment or whatever you're doing. And they're they're enjoying it, their eyes are closed, they lean into it, they're What do you say when they let you know? How are they letting you know that you're working in the right spot? Exactly, exactly what you're saying. So all these like body clothes, you know, they're, they're breathing, and I teach all that too. Like, sometimes, you know, you're working in area, and it's a little tender. But you can work it so gently that you can and work it and and the bottom is exactly what you're saying like the dog will lean into it, like you said, and let you know. I mean if we're like there's a move that we work along the spine and and you can feel it even if you don't have a real strong sense of feeling with your own hands. The dog will let will really let you know. And step by step moment by moment. And, and they love it and so they let you know. Yeah, but I teach all that. So it's kind of Yeah, and that's why they're easier than humans in a way because let's say somebody thinks you're you know, they go to you, you're the expert. So instead of saying like, wow, I really feel that are kind of making a face or anything. Some people are like I'm not going to make a face now. I don't sometimes I say like you do feel this right now. Right? Because if you don't we have other problems. Right? Yeah. So but that kind of like I'm gonna take it because they're the expert. or the dog is like a moment by moment. Animal and they they, anyways, it's such a such a bonding experience to do it with your dog and, and I've taught a lot of how long did the treatments last typically, I mean, how long does it take for you to work on? Baxter and when you do a hunter method treatment with him, um, it can be anywhere from 10 minutes to 2530 minutes if he was you know, and it depends on like how bad they are. And, and, um, and then you the other thing too is that if the dog is sitting next to you and Dr. Taylor, um, you see something outside, um, that if you're gonna just be petting a dog anyways, like sitting on the couch, you can work in like five minutes here, five minutes there. And so getting some relief instead of so doesn't have to be like a big set thing like Hunter time. And, and not like a you know, big moment in time that it can be really done a little bit of time. And then in terms of like lasting he has not limp now. And however, I don't have any sense of time, but my guess would be about six months ago where he literally could not put any weight on his foot. And in a matter of a few treatments. He was better. And he's been fine. Now he'll six months from now he'll probably start limping again because he'll do his muscle will get tight again. But then you know exactly how to fix it and work on it. And what is it that's making Baxter's muscles tight in the first place? Is it just though? They're really they're running around the wear and tear on the the scar tissue that's created or the just the stresses of what dogs do? What is it? Yeah. You said the tightness? Yes. Um, a lot of it has, you know, I listen to explain I, I am working on a on a little webinar called, Why am I still hurting and tight even though I'm doing everything right. And part of that is about how we get tight in the first place. But let's say he, I mean, he, he plays really hard, he runs down the hill flies down the hill. So if he's a little bit if a muscle gets overstretched, that's one reason to get tight, because the muscle gets scared. So the receptors, you know, the body is covered with millions. And I know, you know, all this, I'm just telling everybody here, but the body is is he feels my touch because he has receptors, McCanna receptors, pressure receptors, chemo receptors, barrier receptors, all these little receptors all over his body, sensing the environment. So let's say he's coming around the turn and his foot gets, you know, into a hole and his leg keeps going, that muscle is going to get over stretched. And if it gets over stretched, then the brain will say, tighten up, something happened, we got to keep him safe. And so then just going through life muscles can get tight, or being in a weird position. Like, he works with my husband, and goes to work every day. And, and, you know, he might fall asleep in the backseat in a funny position. And he might get tight that way. So but that's just part of life, right? Or being really tired and doing something anyways, he'll be so tired, but he'll still want to play with that basketball. And so I'll never really know, but I just know that he gets tight muscles, and then they start to bother him. So right. So you're releasing that muscle by taking the tension off, you're like basically telling the, you're helping the muscle tell the brain Hey, it's okay for you to relax. You don't have to be tight anymore. That, that, that that memory that's stuck in the muscle there now can be kind of, Hey, it's okay. It's released and you're moving in at the same time while you're working on it. I see. Yeah. So all of that is just causing that connection to get reestablished. Is that sort of what's happening here? Yeah, so think of like, so. If I'm, if I touch here, the brain knows that right away. Right? So the muscles talk to the brain, the brains talk to the muscles, and so I'm trying to enter it's also energetic, with even thoughts. You know, when when Tony said figure out what you're doing, I thought, Okay, I'll teach all of it now. I honestly don't know which part is the most important, but I'm trying to get as much in information to the body to say, Hey, it's okay, you can move. And so I'm moving. I'm moving the muscles. And so it's like, you want to show you want to show, usually he's laying down. So anyways, I'm moving the opposite muscle, there's all these different things I'm doing, but just exactly what you said that I'm trying to get as much information to the brain, hey, it's safe to move. And from everything from talking to the muscle in my head talking to him in my head, moving the body part, touching it in a special way, and just letting the brain know that it's safe to move. I mean, I would add something to it, you know, tomorrow, like, I just so I do the same thing with humans, you know, people come to me and they say, you know, I haven't been able to raise my arm, you know, for 10 years. And so I'm moving and they're moving. You know, as interactive now, with the dogs, they don't, they don't move on command, right. So a lot of this is done passive movement, but they actually start to move once you start moving them, it's almost like they understand what you're doing. And so there's a, that's why I call it interactive Muscle Therapy, because there's so much movement going on. And then once the once the brain gets sick signal that a lot of it too is how you touch whatever to fascial touch. It's energetic touch. It's a I'm a myofascial practitioner, a polarity practitioner, like you name it, I've studied it, and if you broke apart, every single thing in my work is I've learned it from somewhere. So it's like everything is I learned from somewhere, but I just put it together. And one thing and the one thing that I would never do to a human or an animal is to stretch them hard in any way, because I don't know where their stretch receptors are gonna say, hey, that's too far, right? So even though my background was gymnastics, I'm very stretchy, you know, very Flexi, whatever flexible. I don't overstretch, I don't stretch, I don't do any stretches. And I just do just dynamic movement before an activity. And not that. So trying to stretch your dog that makes the dog tighter too. So I'm still keeping, so that's why it's very gentle movements and touching that it's, and when you're moving the part you're moving it what to the amount that the body is letting you move it correctly. Like you're not, you're never overdoing it or taking it past where the body wants it to go. Exactly, exactly. I mean, I keep it in such a small range, you know, so right now you think like, am I patting him? No, I'm working on him. But he doesn't know you know, I mean, just I'm touching him and I'm moving his head. I'm moving away. And I'm touching his neck here. And so when do you know when to stop doing that? I've kind of because I've done it so many different ways. I mean, I did 100 touches I did you know so it's like two sets of 10 you know on an area and that's what I aim for two sets of 10 and then come over here to set to 10 and and then you can be likes us treats. Any gentle so yeah, that's a really good question. And so I am for two sets of 10 but when do you know when to work on the body again? For the well the thing is if they still have like with with with the dogs, I work on him when I have a minute just sitting next to him on the couch or lucky dog I tell you it's funny of my husband's getting a treatment then he'll get so upset I have some funny videos. Like like you know, like Daddy it's my turn and really funny but I think it's like just like little like if your dog is like seems more lethargic or whatever but to me it just working it into your just your day of what you would do and then having like a 10 minute Hunter time kind of thing. Is is really nice. You know we have a massage table set up in the house all the time but you It's like, you can use a couch, you can use the floor, you don't have to get so fancy. But it's just like with humans, we do five to 10 treatments in a two to three week period. And some of the, you know, some of the harder cases I've had, like, you know, would be like a six month or three, six month case, I had a man that was a, he was a quadriplegic, shot the neck twice, and, and they said, You'll never move again. And he has full movement in his upper body, his hands, every single finger, everything. So like, it was a harder case. But most of my people, even if they've had it for a really long time, um, it resolves pretty quickly. And then I then I get another client, I, I see a new person. So if you have a dog, let's say Dev, a couple of different areas that you know, how do you know where to start? Which part is going to you're going to work on first, as the body kind of tell you? Where's the priority? Are you just kind of go by feel? Or how does that work? So I think like with dogs, like the easiest, like so in my class, I'm going to teach one area, so you get really proficient at that one area, and then creating like a little routine to be because they're done that not that big, not much, you know, not many moving parts that you can really go through and give a whole body treatment and just see what you find. Because like, if a patient comes to you, they're gonna say, Doctor I have, you don't have this, I can't raise my arm, they're gonna tell you, right, as it were the dog, they're not going to tell you. So I think just creating like a little routine, and then you get to know your dog and say, Hey, his chest in his arms are usually great. And it's when I when I talk about a dog, I don't say front legs, these are the arms this is shoulder this is like just as exact, like a human body. So you don't have to know anatomy. What am I committed to memorizing all the dog muscle names. And it's like, s that was like, Shortland really long and so you know, you know, chest muscle, and this and that. And this is their, their, but this is their, their their jaw. I don't think I remember one muscle name from that. Well, that's fascinating. So this is exciting. So here in less than two weeks, and you're going to be having this, how can people get a hold of you? And how can people take this course and sign up for it? Um, well, you can go to Hunter method.com. That's my website, and Hunter method.com. And then in the upper left hand corner, it says programs, and there's one that says dogs, there's other ways to access it too. And then you'll see the dog course, and kind of scroll through that. And then you'll see the sorts of subscription, it's $97 for the month, and it's going to be for live calls and all the recorded calls, and all the like Downloadables and everything. I'm just committed to teaching people how to do it. And I think that's the best way because then you're there with your dog, and you can ask questions and, and you'll just learn it a little bit at a time. And, and within a month or two you'll be proficient and, and this and that. But um, just the social acts aspect of having everybody, you know, have their dogs on there and seeing everybody is fun. I know that. i My husband always says I don't trust people who don't like dogs, you know? So, yeah, so just enter method.com there's a little link on there. $97 for the month, it starts October 11. That's a Wednesday. And if you have any questions, there's a Contact Us form. That's all it is. And that goes right to my email. Contact us and so if you have questions, I can respond that way too. But um, I think the biggest thing is just give it a try. You cancel any time it's fine. We're just here to serve. We're not Yeah, this is a I have a few jobs already. I just, I just like want to be able to give what I know to people so they can help their animals just have a you know, just a better quality of life, you know? Oh, that's fantastic. Wow. Well, thanks so much, Stephanie, for taking the time out of your super busy schedule to be with us on this show. And I I am going to look at my my schedule and look at clearing that out myself. I'd like to join you on that. I'm not Wednesday, and I have a dog, we have a golden doodle. Oh, I love those clothes. My name is Callie, she's a great dog, and but anything to help your pets, you know, experience. Maybe they don't tell you when they have pain right there, they can't complain here about it. And also, why not just keep their bodies tuned up and you develop this incredible method of doing that. And you're so generous and sharing it with the world like this. And so thank you for taking the time to be on our show. And how can people get a hold of you? Let's say you, yes, you work on those. But you also work on humans, you have people that fly from all over the world to come see you. Or there's people in Tennessee, they're so blessed to have gotten here. Now you they stole you from Jupiter, Florida. Now you're out there, how can people get a hold of you? If they wanted to? Just have a private session with you? Are you still doing that? Are you accepting new clients still are you you're I know, you're pretty booked up, you just only been there a year, but your schedule is already full. But do you still see new clients? I do. And then I also have a great gal that works with me in Chattanooga, and Julia, and she's very talented. And then I have a couple of people in your area. They're also very booked up. But so if you do the contact us form, you know, we can hook you up like that. If you're in Chattanooga, go to the center page, and there's a little link where you can actually make an appointment. Sometimes people they have harder cases like they've had Parkinson's or MS or just things that people can help just to fill out the contact us and then people sometimes fly in for an immersion. They stay with us for one to three weeks. So I do one or two people like that a week. But, and sometimes in your neck of the woods, but I'm usually working. And I miss fear from Jupiter. Hello, I miss you. I love the people in your area you're lucky to be they're just great people. Um, so but yeah, so just mainly the, the, you know, like, you know, I'm sure you know that my website is always under construction somehow. But there's links and I love that Contact Us form because you can send a message and, and then you know, get back to you and but like with this, we're also starting a women's class for women with with neck pain, TMJ migraines, that's Tuesday morning, starting on the 1010 at 10am. And I'll be doing a live class with with women. And so you can read about that on the site, too. So, but um, yeah, but thank you so much for having me with your people here. And, you know, I really appreciate it. Like I love what I found you because one of my patients came to see you she had a lot of she was referred to me and she came to see us and she said, I've been to so many different people trying to resolve it. And the only person that was able to help me was Stephanie Hunter. And then she moved to Chattanooga, Tennessee. And so I said, I got to talk with this lady, and we got to get her. We got to get her what she does out because it sounded like what you did with intriguing, and certainly it is. And now you've made it available for people to learn this. And so Wow, what a what a blessing that is to others. So thank you so much for again, sharing your time and being on the show. Really appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you, Doctor, I appreciate it. But you've been on the tailor method for a pain free living podcast with our special guest. Stephanie Hunter pain relief expert in inventor and developer of the hunter method, you can go to Hunter method.com. And you can reach her reach out to her that way if you'd like to book a time with her or if you'd like to take her class and learn how to work on your dogs. And so thanks again, Stephanie, for taking the time and being with us today. Thank you. Thank you. Goodbye. Hi, Baxter. Thank you. You've been listening to the Taylor method for pain free living podcast. We hope that you found great value in this episode. For more information about the Taylor method and our offices, visit www.dr Derek taylor.com. 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