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I mean the game is an amateur
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game I mean the professional
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side of it you know there are idols and heroes and
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fun to watch them play but I mean if it weren't for amateur
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golf there would be no golf
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you have to remember when you play a golf course
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and you're out there for four hours or whatever
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the you're only hitting a ball for what 15
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minutes of that so there's a lot of time to look around
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hello and welcome to another episode of the Top 100
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Clubhouse podcast
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I'm your host James Henderson and I'm with our editor
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top of the Top 100 golf course.com website
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Jasper Miners how you doing Jasper yeah doing well
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yeah it's great uh
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yeah didn't expect you uh to run into James near London
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today but uh it's nice it was a bit of a change
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and uh yeah nice to get out of the house
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it was a complete utter accident if anything
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it was a a rogue
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road trip and I think everyone needs to do that more
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it may not be the day for golf today North London
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but at least we managed to get a few things done
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absolutely yeah it's a
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when I walked when I first came up to Hadley
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Wood I looked out and I seen James
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uh James and he's like budgie
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budgie smugglers out there oh yeah and his wellies
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hitting a a bucket of balls
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but yeah no it's not a good day for golf
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it's draining
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well though with the new bunker work they've done
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and the drainage work like
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all it's done is rain all day and I've been wandering
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around that golf course and I got soaked
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but the bunkers are still dry yeah yeah it's a
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it makes it makes a change um yeah North London
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Hadley Wood
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is one I've been banging on about for a bit obviously
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Clyde Johnson has done quite a bit of work and Brett
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Hawksdene uh so two young shapers that uh
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have come through the the Renaissance um
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kind of farm system if you will
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and worked their way through the ranks and are now
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architects in their own rights
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and yeah they've done some amazing work here obviously
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Brett's work stateside at Pasatiempo
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a couple of other Mackenzie courses
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there Clyde consults at numerous Mackenzie courses and
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this is one that's flown under the radar
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for quite a while but I think from next year um
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a lot more people are gonna start to hear about Hollywood in London
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yeah hundred percent it's a
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it's a very impressive site it's quite cool
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I did enjoy walking around it um and then we've been
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very kindly looked after by them they've uh
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they've let us film in their clubhouse and for our well
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a couple of pods our next two pods so
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uh firstly we're gonna cover over all the rankings
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that have happened
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and things that are going on in the rankings
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around Christmas time
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and then we're gonna do a podcast around
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Christmas time that's gonna be our year in review
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are you ready for that
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yeah yeah looking forward to it so yeah been
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been looking forward to this for for a while
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and we got lots I mean it's been a busy year
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and I think we're just getting going it feels like
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top 1 hundred's in a really good place
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we feel like we've got lots of momentum
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and yeah we're excited about the year ahead
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okay so what's happening in the rankings
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what's happening around the rankings right now
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so this week we are putting out the New Zealand ranking
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uh next week uh we're a bit quieter
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with regards to the content we're pushing out for
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Australia or for the on the socials
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and then a week after that we get into Australia so
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this is kind of been one of those ones that I've really been looking
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forward to because we had a smaller panel
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in Australia and New Zealand uh for previous rankings
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I was asked if I would look after rankings uh
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January 2025
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so kind of one year into it and we've effectively
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brought in a load of guys uh
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in New Zealand and in Australia that had
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quite a lot of depth of play in the Oceania region
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and we've given them effectively a carp carp launch
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tell us here's our guidance
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you tell us the courses that match up best to that
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and I think what we'll find is
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there's been some movement at the top
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but quite a lot of movement in the bottom
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but that's just a reflection of having
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really switched on architecturally LED guys
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that are well played helping us out with our rankings
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so it's probably gonna be well
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without a doubt it is our best
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New Zealand or Aussie rankings and
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the combination of that is the Oceania
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rankings that will come out so
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not everybody's gonna agree with it even within
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within the the panel uh controversially we've
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Saint Andrew's Beach I still ranks
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higher than some of the other ones that you would
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perhaps if you were traditionalist in in the sand
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belt in Melbourne uh so
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yeah row Melbourne East Victoria Peninsula Kingswood
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uh those have their their fans
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but Saint Andrews Beach still ranks very highly um
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so look that that's the best thing about
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these rankings is that it stimulates debate
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well that's what the whole website's
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really about right it's about having a list
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to go and check out
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and then arguing with someone whether it's correct
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and you know what some of those and some of those decisions
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that are being made um
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you know you you get accusations
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of like all this is just clickbait
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or you guys are just trying to like be different or
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genuinely um we've never made a decision
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on a ranking to just
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make people like incense people to to stir the pot uh
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genuinely we feel that when we make these decisions
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when we put courses where they think they should be
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that is according to what we feel is important in golf
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that's a reflection of it um and Saint
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Andrew's Beach is probably one of the bolder claims
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that the world panel has made
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um you've played it I've played it we've
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we've had a lot of people locally that have played it
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and it it is just different than the type of golf
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that you would find in Melbourne
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so it's it's a bit of a Marmite course not everybody
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understands it or gets it or feels that it fits
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um it doesn't help that it's essentially a council
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pay to play I I think there's a bit of that there um
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where you know anyone can rock up I mean I think
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we've spoken about this before
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I've played it a couple of times
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and the last time I was there I immensely
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enjoyed it but the round was long
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I it was near enough six hours
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and it's because there was like
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I don't know two groups that had joined together
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that basically had a load of beers and
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by the end of the round I don't know they were playing with flip flops
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muscle shirts and swimming trunks and that's fine
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that's a reflection of the type of golf
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that's on offer there but the golf
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course if you just divide all of that off
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but that's a special skill right that's the skill
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that a lot of these people have that a lot that maybe
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a person did have a bad round because it took
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six hours
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and the people in front of them were playing music
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and they were loud and annoying
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and yeah of course you're not gonna enjoy
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that day but you need to be able to separate
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that from the quality of the golf course
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and I think there is a bit of that I mean
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you you do get a lot of big courses in America
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where if it's
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really difficult to get on it's almost like once you find yourself
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there you're like well
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it's probably not as good as I think it
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should be or what
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I was expecting but because you've spent
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either so much effort to network and find a way in
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or you've paid to play in some way or another
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that it's almost like it has to be good
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and you convince yourself
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that it has to be good because you put so much effort to get
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to find that first tee
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where when you can just rock up pay a green fee and walk on
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um maybe the bar is a little bit higher because
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it's the only thing that you really have to go on is the quality and caliber of the golf
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what I'm really looking forward
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or what I've really appreciated
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about New Zealand though is that courses like arrowtown
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that are a bit more rough ready rugged
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uh quirky bold interesting
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those have risen through the ranks and that wasn't any
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because of any moderation from my part
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or the world panel that was we had the right guys
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on the ground who get golf in New Zealand
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who looked at the guidance we gave them
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looked at the golf courses
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they played and they put Arrowtown on top now
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a lot of the comments we've had back
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is that like it's not well presented
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and the conditioning can suffer and it's like
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that's fine
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but what I love about it is if I go to Arrowtown and play
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I'm playing a golf course
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that I can't play anywhere else
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where if I go to some of the other ones um
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I can probably play those courses on most
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in most major golfing markets in Europe
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in North America
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or in Oceania or in New Zealand or Australia
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and that's all well and good
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but I think as a traveling golfer you want to be able to go and say I've played a really cool unique
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course that I could only find here
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well I did find it very funny on the Instagram when uh
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two people complained about the Arrowhead
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the conditioning
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so you tagged them both in it and said you guys to have a game
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hahaha
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you try not to be too facetious
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when you're getting involved in socials
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but you do like it when and you can try and marry up
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two individuals that you you obviously
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see that they they love golf in a particular vein
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and what's
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important to them is things like conditioning
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so it's like yeah it'll be very good for you guys to meet and have a game
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so hopefully
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hopefully they they enjoy one another's company
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they sure they have a lot in common
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when it comes to golf courses
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that was so funny that's just a really good way of
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um engaging on Instagram absolutely brilliant um
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it is exciting because there
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you've put a huge amount of work in the last year into the rankings
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and uh there has been
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years in the past where a lot of the rankings
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have been decided by smaller groups
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and now we've done
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a huge amount of days like you organise
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all those days across England to try and develop
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the regional rankings within England
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and it's starting to pay off and it's exciting it is um
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obviously we we had the regional events
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so what we wanna do is basically divide
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England into nine different regions
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and we set up the various events
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because we felt that there was gonna be more individuals
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that we didn't know
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personally through our social networks that would
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effectively
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be an asset to top 100 and and the rankings
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um so we've had loads of people apply
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those were shortlisted we brought them to the events
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from those events
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uh we kind of distilled down the individuals that were
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invited and we were left with between probably
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three to five people from each event
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that had depth of play in that particular region
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that had seen kind of the the heady heights of world
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golf uh played world top hundred stuff
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all the way down to like local clubs
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in their own area that you wouldn't see on top 100
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and their input's been particularly valuable
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so historically what's happened is
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that we always did a top down approach
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so the world panel would set the world hundred
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then they would work into the regions
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and those individuals on the region panel
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would decide the next lot
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and then it would go down to country
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so in this case you would have the world
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then you would have um
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GBI then you would have England
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and then you'd get down into the counties
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and what we found though was that
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if the panels above them
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using that kind of cascade approach
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if the panels above them had a particular slant
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or a view on things and there was only a few people that were contributing
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towards it there was courses that were pushing
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from the bottom up that never got the light of day
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so what we
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decided to do this time was to go from a county level
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so what we did was we asked everybody to
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uh give us their county rankings and
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in the past we've had roughly around 10 people
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maybe a little bit more in some cases
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that would contribute to these various uh rankings
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and they've done a very good job
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uh the foundation that's been laid
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has been brilliant and it's been decades in the making
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um but what we've done now is we've
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invited not just the the local individuals that have
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local play um but we have lots of individuals
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that perhaps were born and bred in GBI
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that have moved to America or
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they play a lot of great golf in America
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and they make yearly visits
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to England Scotland and Ireland to play golf
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and you've got individuals who have played
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the top 50 courses in England the top 50
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courses in Scotland and the top 30 courses in Ireland
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but because they didn't
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live here or because they didn't have
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like 80% of say the the top hundred in England
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we never consider them for a panel uh
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to to contribute towards it
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and that's one of the big changes that we've made
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so this time at last count
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we've had 78 different individuals
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contribute towards GBI so that's
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the the overall GBI ranking
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uh Ireland England Scotland
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um and Wales is a bit difficult uh
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because there's not a lot of people that have played in Wales
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so that panel is effectively stayed the same uh
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although Die's done a really good job but he's built
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quite a good panel already so he was
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he kind of got this already he got it before it even
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started to move to this direction absolutely so
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die's done a really good job obviously
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he's had a lot of help from Brian
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and then we've got a handful of other guys that have contributed
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towards that that have really
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stepped up and tried to get around and play so we're very confident
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with Wales I think that's a top 50 now so we're
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we're happy with where we've got it in Wales and there hasn't
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really been a lot of changes in the top 10 um
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but for the rest of the country as a whole we've got
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like almost seven times more people
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that are contributing towards
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giving us a really balanced
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kind of like broad church approach to rankings and so
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instead of going from like the top down and cascading
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where a lot of the big decisions
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have been made by the time you got down to
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let's say county level um
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in England or
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um let's say Berkshire or
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Surrey or whatever it might have been
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like the top five or six bases
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in all of those county rankings had had been decided
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and so you're dealing with a lot of the lower tier
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stuff
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where when we opened it up and we said look we're gonna turn this on its head
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and you can tell us
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what you think is good from the bottom up
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well who knows
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there if you live in the North East of England
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you're gonna know what's going on in those golf courses
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and what's appropriate
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and how much work they're putting into
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maintaining mowing lines or green sizes or whatever
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whereas a guy who's
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played last time he played it was 10 years ago
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can't do that definition
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well and that's the thing so I think
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when it comes to really high level stuff
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like World Hundred there's not a lot of movement like
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kind of the top 100 courses and maybe the next 50
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contenders
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unless you get some really cracking new builds like
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Tri or you know some some of these big
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they've got top notch architects
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unlimited budgets and great sites
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you can almost put them in and say okay well they
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we're thinking that that'll probably be a contender
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where
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or you get some other grades that have gone through
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significant amounts of restoration so Casa de
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Campo is another one that we've got on our radar uh
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Yale is another one that we're just waiting for so
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again previous top 100 courses
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that should be back better than ever um
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where will they enter again who knows
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will they enter again who knows um
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but then you contrast
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that with say like the corset say the lido
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um where like or Saint Patrick's
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where it just kind of enters
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in and it finds its space and universally it's
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it's almost accepted that it's one of the the greats
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as soon as it opens
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so but yeah getting back to to the UK
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I think what we've got now is a situation where
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we've got so much more data coming in
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it's allowed us to go back to kind of the base level
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and once you start getting those local um counties
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sorted
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then you go up to regions then you go up to country
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then you get fed back into GBI
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and then you kind of align that with the world
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that's really been
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good and it's challenged the status quo and we've
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had the benefit of having a lot more data to see these patterns
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emerge so I'm really excited
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we're working on it now we've kind of got a couple of final
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drafts for um England
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Scotland Northern Ireland and Ireland
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we've got a final draft for GBI
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obviously that will go through a bit of moderation um
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just to make sure that there's no anomalies
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and that it kind of follows
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through the the wishes of of the panel but yeah
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looking forward to seeing that land
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because I think it's gonna be probably the the best yet
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one thing that uh will be raised I definitely
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before anyone says it is uh we are down on Parkland
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and do you wanna give a we
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reason for that yeah it's an interesting one
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it's not that we don't like Parkland golf I mean
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we're both sat here at Parkland Golf Course
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Parkland Golf Course
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and you look around the UK and you've got
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excellent Parkland golf um
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even in just this part of London you've got
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Stoke Park not a million miles
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away you've got the Grove you've got Hadley Wood
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just down the road um you've got Ashridge
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you've got up near Birmingham um
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you you've got a lot of good there's a lot of good
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golf courses and I think the thing to keep in mind
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is that sometimes things are
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exciting or an anomaly for English golf
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so for example like Parklands
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when they're done well there's something different
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from links and heathlands they dominate
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and so sometimes I think from an English perspective is
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because it's new or exciting or different
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it gets a bit of a push up
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where if you go to America and you play Parkland golf
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the bar is so high for Parkland golf
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so when you get someone from an
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that has an international perspective of Parkland golf
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and they come in and look at Parkland golf in the UK
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and they compare it to what they've got locally in
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America
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you would look at Parkland golf in the UK and say
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it's a really good Parkland
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that should be like 75 in England and
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I think what we find is
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especially with the international um rankings they
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they look at the parklands
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that we have here and they say if this was in my own
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state it wouldn't even register in the top 50
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or the top hundred yeah
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but that's actually quite good because what's happening
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is that we're getting a
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a perspective that allows people to
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kind of see from a high level
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all these different types of golf
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and we we get a better perspective so if I'm an
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American and I'm coming over here
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and I go to the UK's best Parkland golf course
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it's probably doesn't compare it to
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yeah most of the high end Parkland in America
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we're here it's
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it's one of the best examples of its kind
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so it's obviously in the ranking
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where actually most traveling golfers would look at
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England and say I want to play
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links and I want to play heathland
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because that's what you guys do and that's what you guys do the best
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yeah so I think there is a little bit of a lean
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towards that I don't know if we've made a conscious
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effort to like weed out parklands
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but there definitely is uh that appetite
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and I think when we have the data
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feeding in from a lot of the international visitors
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um when they look at our Parkland golf courses
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they don't tend to do as well in the rankings
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simply because
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they're comparing it to a really high standard
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well they have much bigger budgets
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hugely more but um money to be able to
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and parklands very expensive to maintain
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to a high standard and I think that's what it is
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so the things that we say make golf great
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so short grass firm turf um
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landforms so topography
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um and turf conditions agronomy things like that
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those things usually either have to be maintained um
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massive investment in it
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and you need to be on a pretty cracking piece of land
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well this so
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the cost of sand capping is millions
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yeah the cost of tree removal is
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infinite because you can't get it
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so you know like it's a
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there's lots of different things that actually are
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within EU uh EU or UK red
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regulation that actually hinder
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the Parkland golf community
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as well it's not actually the quality of the
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golf course
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there's tree removals a big one absolutely so I mean it
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it it's one of those things where it's not that we don't like Parkland golf
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um we we do we think it's great um you and I
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we're heading over to the States
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this year we're gonna play uh
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hopefully quite a lot of golf in in in America
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uh some trips planned and Parkland will feature
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heavily in that yeah and we're
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excited about it yeah big time um
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it's not it's nothing to do
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it's nothing to do with that it's just more of the fact that
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we have to rate things on an international standard
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not on a local standard exactly
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and with that perspective that
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that just changes things and I think what we're seeing
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now is that because we've opened up
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uh contributions to the panel from an
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international perspective the things that England
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does really well Heathlands and links
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are kind of rising to the top so that'll be well
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let's be honest I'm as a Scotsman
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I'm not flying to Florence and eating fish and chips
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right exactly yeah so it might they might have some
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excellent fish and chips there I don't know
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never looked for it hahaha
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and that maybe proves the point
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the other thing that's really exciting
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about what's going on is
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00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,633
so historically top 100 and this has been a bit
531
00:22:37,700 --> 00:22:43,133
controversial uh internally as well is the desire to
532
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,900
realign the rankings and what we mean by that is
533
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,066
that the the rankings will be done geographically now
534
00:22:50,066 --> 00:22:51,633
based on county lines
535
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,100
so if you're from Canada it's the provinces
536
00:22:55,100 --> 00:22:58,000
if you're from the States it's the states um
537
00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:58,866
but we effectively
538
00:22:58,866 --> 00:23:00,766
wanted to do that for the website in the UK
539
00:23:00,866 --> 00:23:02,966
previously it's always been done by
540
00:23:04,900 --> 00:23:09,800
golf unions so these were you know effectively
541
00:23:10,666 --> 00:23:15,100
plain jurisdictions that had historic roots
542
00:23:15,100 --> 00:23:18,900
of previously established geographical boundaries
543
00:23:19,633 --> 00:23:22,300
so here in London is a good example um
544
00:23:22,633 --> 00:23:24,600
one of the big unions is Middlesex
545
00:23:24,866 --> 00:23:27,233
it it doesn't actually exist as a place anymore
546
00:23:27,233 --> 00:23:29,200
but we had a Middlesex ranking
547
00:23:29,533 --> 00:23:31,266
and a lot of county golfers
548
00:23:31,266 --> 00:23:33,900
would know Middlesex and knew what that was but if you were a travelling
549
00:23:33,900 --> 00:23:37,666
golfer from abroad or America
550
00:23:37,666 --> 00:23:39,533
and you wanted to know what was a good golf course
551
00:23:39,533 --> 00:23:41,066
in London you wouldn't
552
00:23:41,066 --> 00:23:42,800
know that you needed to look at the Middlesex
553
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,300
ranking to find out I don't think I could point
554
00:23:45,300 --> 00:23:46,400
Middlesex on a map
555
00:23:46,433 --> 00:23:49,033
so and and that and that's the point so
556
00:23:49,233 --> 00:23:52,933
you know if if as a British person or a Scotsman
557
00:23:53,033 --> 00:23:55,900
was was near London looking for golf um
558
00:23:56,233 --> 00:23:58,800
you know if Middlesex wasn't in your general
559
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:00,366
awareness or consciousness
560
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:02,233
then it would be very difficult to find the golf course
561
00:24:02,233 --> 00:24:04,566
you wanted to play so we've taken a stance where
562
00:24:04,733 --> 00:24:07,033
we we know the golf course is predominantly
563
00:24:07,033 --> 00:24:09,733
used by individuals who are planning golf trips
564
00:24:10,100 --> 00:24:12,566
whether that's internationally or within country
565
00:24:13,133 --> 00:24:17,066
so we felt that it was best to align the rankings
566
00:24:17,066 --> 00:24:18,833
with geographic boundaries
567
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,100
so we will have a a London ranking
568
00:24:21,100 --> 00:24:25,200
we will have the major counties represented and the um
569
00:24:25,333 --> 00:24:27,933
the regions as well but interestingly
570
00:24:27,933 --> 00:24:30,066
one of the things that come up is not just London
571
00:24:30,066 --> 00:24:31,566
that's one of the major changes
572
00:24:31,666 --> 00:24:34,700
but the North West you mentioned it previously
573
00:24:35,033 --> 00:24:37,900
um but counties like Merseyside
574
00:24:38,233 --> 00:24:41,300
Merseyside might just be the best
575
00:24:41,500 --> 00:24:43,633
golfing county in the country
576
00:24:43,633 --> 00:24:45,933
I've been saying it for years so everybody
577
00:24:45,933 --> 00:24:48,000
talks about like Surrey Barkshire down in London
578
00:24:48,133 --> 00:24:50,166
um and it's true
579
00:24:50,333 --> 00:24:53,733
um there's great golf there and it's really top heavy
580
00:24:54,066 --> 00:24:55,466
um barkshire
581
00:24:55,466 --> 00:24:57,900
probably has the best Surrey probably has the deepest
582
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:02,566
but like when you look at the North West and Merseyside
583
00:25:02,866 --> 00:25:03,433
basically
584
00:25:03,433 --> 00:25:06,000
from Hoylake up to Birkdale and all those courses
585
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:07,166
on that coast it's incredible
586
00:25:07,233 --> 00:25:08,933
there's like 10 or 12 golf courses
587
00:25:08,933 --> 00:25:12,000
there that you would happily go and play oh um
588
00:25:12,133 --> 00:25:14,400
unbelievable all in one county yeah
589
00:25:14,433 --> 00:25:16,600
and it's the first time that we've been able to
590
00:25:16,900 --> 00:25:22,400
effectively do a a ranking for Merseyside proper so
591
00:25:22,833 --> 00:25:24,666
I think that's quite good where you
592
00:25:24,666 --> 00:25:26,866
you start to get some of these things emerge
593
00:25:26,866 --> 00:25:27,733
where previously
594
00:25:27,733 --> 00:25:29,266
you've got courses that are being compared
595
00:25:29,266 --> 00:25:32,500
against each other that have never been ranked before
596
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:34,133
so when you rank this course
597
00:25:34,133 --> 00:25:35,333
against that course and you
598
00:25:35,333 --> 00:25:37,166
were previously in different rankings
599
00:25:37,533 --> 00:25:40,133
um now there's that question of well
600
00:25:40,266 --> 00:25:42,000
is this course better than this course
601
00:25:42,700 --> 00:25:46,200
and that's given us
602
00:25:47,700 --> 00:25:50,200
a a lot of interesting data but then the
603
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,366
results of that have been really interesting as well
604
00:25:52,500 --> 00:25:56,166
so I'm looking forward to seeing how that plays out um
605
00:25:56,700 --> 00:26:00,500
it's it's a bit of a change it marks a a difference
606
00:26:00,500 --> 00:26:03,166
um people probably see things a little bit differently
607
00:26:03,900 --> 00:26:07,266
but it's good it's it allows us to look at
608
00:26:07,266 --> 00:26:09,566
the golf courses that we've been ranking historically
609
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:11,800
in a new light with fresh eyes
610
00:26:11,866 --> 00:26:14,233
with a lot more people contributing
611
00:26:14,333 --> 00:26:17,166
and the results I I wouldn't say we're
612
00:26:17,533 --> 00:26:19,700
revolutionary they were probably
613
00:26:19,700 --> 00:26:22,300
evolutionary yeah but in a good way
614
00:26:22,333 --> 00:26:23,833
it's a very exciting time
615
00:26:23,900 --> 00:26:26,233
yeah it's very exciting time and
616
00:26:26,666 --> 00:26:30,233
just from being part of that process and I know you've
617
00:26:30,233 --> 00:26:31,000
done
618
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,933
almost all the work so apart from the people that have handed in their
619
00:26:34,933 --> 00:26:35,733
thoughts
620
00:26:36,100 --> 00:26:38,100
and watching it develop and grow
621
00:26:38,100 --> 00:26:40,933
over the last year has been very cool to
622
00:26:40,933 --> 00:26:42,966
see that development and
623
00:26:43,266 --> 00:26:44,666
you turn to me occasionally and
624
00:26:44,666 --> 00:26:46,200
say oh what do you think about this and say
625
00:26:46,233 --> 00:26:48,433
well that's pretty fucking cool ha ha ha ha ha
626
00:26:48,666 --> 00:26:50,700
yeah that's I like that that's cool well
627
00:26:50,700 --> 00:26:53,400
and it's it's those kind of the things that um
628
00:26:53,466 --> 00:26:55,166
you get excited about right
629
00:26:55,466 --> 00:26:57,633
and and I'll be honest with you like uh
630
00:26:57,633 --> 00:27:02,766
as far as contributing my thoughts towards the panel um
631
00:27:03,466 --> 00:27:04,700
once we've got all the data
632
00:27:04,700 --> 00:27:07,666
in and we sit down and look at it of course
633
00:27:07,666 --> 00:27:09,300
there's a couple of things where
634
00:27:09,300 --> 00:27:10,533
by and large like a panel
635
00:27:10,533 --> 00:27:11,733
will say I think this course
636
00:27:11,733 --> 00:27:13,033
is better than that course
637
00:27:13,233 --> 00:27:17,700
and I look at it and I say personally I don't agree um
638
00:27:17,733 --> 00:27:21,366
but these it's not my panel it's not my ranking
639
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,500
you know I I can do my own ranking but no one's
640
00:27:23,500 --> 00:27:25,433
interested in that um
641
00:27:25,633 --> 00:27:27,633
yeah it's just a bunch of random things
642
00:27:27,633 --> 00:27:30,300
random golf courses no one's ever heard of it's working
643
00:27:31,466 --> 00:27:31,600
with
644
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,033
lots of livestock and like why your fences are around
645
00:27:34,700 --> 00:27:38,000
so the average green speed is 3 3
646
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:40,566
yeah exactly
647
00:27:40,933 --> 00:27:43,566
and and and no one would really want to play
648
00:27:43,633 --> 00:27:45,633
the type of golf that I I really
649
00:27:45,633 --> 00:27:48,900
enjoy or how I enjoy it I mean it it's a it's an
650
00:27:48,900 --> 00:27:51,066
interesting one I I was looking at the English
651
00:27:51,066 --> 00:27:53,600
ranking this morning as we were putting it together uh
652
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:54,400
and I would say that's
653
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,233
that's the thing to keep in mind so
654
00:27:56,233 --> 00:27:58,366
although I'm responsible for
655
00:27:58,433 --> 00:28:01,233
the rankings quote unquote um
656
00:28:01,233 --> 00:28:03,433
it doesn't mean I have to be involved in them
657
00:28:03,433 --> 00:28:06,300
or that I need to necessarily contribute towards them
658
00:28:06,300 --> 00:28:07,833
you're a collector not a
659
00:28:07,933 --> 00:28:11,466
you manage the system that is you've created a system
660
00:28:11,466 --> 00:28:14,100
that means that you can get the best out of what
661
00:28:14,100 --> 00:28:15,666
these people's opinions are
662
00:28:15,666 --> 00:28:17,733
and that's right if we feed the right information
663
00:28:17,733 --> 00:28:19,833
in one end once it goes through we should get
664
00:28:19,833 --> 00:28:20,633
the right information
665
00:28:20,633 --> 00:28:24,133
out the other end and and that's where I think it's
666
00:28:24,133 --> 00:28:27,433
it's been good we've got a lot more people involved um
667
00:28:27,866 --> 00:28:30,866
and in sometimes when we look at
668
00:28:30,866 --> 00:28:33,433
like historic data compared to what we've got now
669
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,166
we've had a lot of things right um
670
00:28:36,300 --> 00:28:38,433
but it's been nice to have a fresh perspective
671
00:28:38,433 --> 00:28:42,300
and I'm very happy with where it's at and of course it'll move on every year
672
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:43,900
things change and evolve
673
00:28:44,900 --> 00:28:47,233
the way people see things the way they experience them
674
00:28:47,233 --> 00:28:49,633
when they get to see more in golf and they realize what's
675
00:28:49,633 --> 00:28:50,700
important in golf
676
00:28:51,866 --> 00:28:53,033
often times
677
00:28:53,233 --> 00:28:55,900
you know that changes people's perspectives but
678
00:28:55,900 --> 00:28:58,500
yeah I'm excited about the release for
679
00:28:59,066 --> 00:29:03,133
GB and I we've also got Spain and Portugal it
680
00:29:03,133 --> 00:29:04,666
we've got an amazing
681
00:29:04,666 --> 00:29:08,700
panel shout out to those guys Spain is probably our
682
00:29:09,433 --> 00:29:11,000
it's obviously a reflection of the culture
683
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:12,633
but like that WhatsApp group
684
00:29:12,666 --> 00:29:16,200
is just like every morning I wake up and there's just tons of messages in Spain
685
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:17,000
hahaha
686
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,400
and they they just love it and they're
687
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,733
they're all for it so they've done a tremendous
688
00:29:21,733 --> 00:29:23,500
amount of work they've got through
689
00:29:23,533 --> 00:29:26,400
I know it's a big market for us is like um
690
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,433
Brits traveling for winter golf to Spain and Portugal
691
00:29:29,700 --> 00:29:30,766
so
692
00:29:31,433 --> 00:29:32,733
that's one that's quite exciting
693
00:29:32,733 --> 00:29:34,933
and there has been quite a bit of change there
694
00:29:35,266 --> 00:29:36,066
but getting
695
00:29:36,066 --> 00:29:38,733
again getting the right guys and letting them just get on with it
696
00:29:38,933 --> 00:29:40,966
that's the interesting thing right so
697
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,333
I've been to some of the Spanish courses
698
00:29:44,666 --> 00:29:46,800
across the years I've grown up in Britain
699
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,500
you'd go to Spain it's like a
700
00:29:48,500 --> 00:29:51,200
normal thing people do and uh
701
00:29:52,433 --> 00:29:54,600
it's like Americans going to Florida
702
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:59,200
so and there's a bit of a kinship to the two
703
00:30:00,133 --> 00:30:03,200
there's some great golf and there's some absolute
704
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,933
normal average stuff yeah and
705
00:30:07,833 --> 00:30:09,733
some of the stuff that I have played historically
706
00:30:09,733 --> 00:30:11,933
that would have been on Spanish rankings
707
00:30:12,700 --> 00:30:14,933
not high up let's be honest but
708
00:30:15,100 --> 00:30:16,700
would have been on there might have been
709
00:30:16,700 --> 00:30:19,233
attached to a smart hotel might have been
710
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:21,133
I don't know
711
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,566
something to do with it that made the environment of it
712
00:30:24,833 --> 00:30:25,900
feel like the golf course
713
00:30:25,900 --> 00:30:27,433
is better so it's really exciting
714
00:30:27,433 --> 00:30:29,500
to see that Spanish ranking go out
715
00:30:29,933 --> 00:30:32,333
with an actual bunch of people who care
716
00:30:32,333 --> 00:30:34,200
so deeply about great golf
717
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:35,633
yeah and and that's the thing I think
718
00:30:35,633 --> 00:30:39,633
the majority of our Spanish panel uh they are Spaniards
719
00:30:40,133 --> 00:30:41,800
uh or Portuguese
720
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,800
but they are members at Scottish clubs
721
00:30:44,933 --> 00:30:47,133
or they spend like a few months out of the year
722
00:30:47,666 --> 00:30:48,666
travelling and playing
723
00:30:48,666 --> 00:30:50,700
great golf either in America or other
724
00:30:50,700 --> 00:30:52,233
places in the world but they're
725
00:30:52,700 --> 00:30:54,733
have a depth of play everywhere and
726
00:30:54,733 --> 00:30:57,833
and those are the same types of guys that have been able to contribute towards
727
00:30:57,833 --> 00:31:00,100
like the English so
728
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,933
having their perspective has been really good because
729
00:31:03,333 --> 00:31:05,466
if you were raised in that environment and you're playing
730
00:31:05,466 --> 00:31:08,533
those golf courses to to have a really
731
00:31:08,533 --> 00:31:11,033
good understanding of what makes golf great
732
00:31:11,066 --> 00:31:13,833
like you really have to work for it the process isn't
733
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:14,933
done yet though
734
00:31:14,933 --> 00:31:18,000
there's a huge amount of areas around the globe that
735
00:31:18,500 --> 00:31:21,100
you still are looking for rankers and Raiders
736
00:31:21,100 --> 00:31:24,600
and we'll be doing a lot more events around that
737
00:31:25,133 --> 00:31:29,000
um have you got any specific places that you're
738
00:31:29,233 --> 00:31:32,233
yes we're working on a a couple of things um
739
00:31:32,666 --> 00:31:35,300
we've had some uh events that we were
740
00:31:35,300 --> 00:31:37,400
talking to various clubs in Scotland this year
741
00:31:37,433 --> 00:31:39,300
so hopefully we'll have uh
742
00:31:39,533 --> 00:31:41,666
three maybe four events in Scotland
743
00:31:41,666 --> 00:31:44,200
which would be quite good to to look forward to
744
00:31:44,433 --> 00:31:46,933
um and we've got some exciting partners as well
745
00:31:47,033 --> 00:31:50,300
so I know we've been talking with Neil from Fife um
746
00:31:50,566 --> 00:31:51,933
so yeah looking
747
00:31:51,933 --> 00:31:54,233
forward to doing more with them hopefully that all comes to
748
00:31:54,233 --> 00:31:55,533
fruition I'm sure it will
749
00:31:56,266 --> 00:31:58,133
but we're talking with some hotels
750
00:31:58,133 --> 00:32:00,133
and some golf clubs to make sure that those are like
751
00:32:00,133 --> 00:32:03,700
premium premium events great golf courses
752
00:32:04,333 --> 00:32:06,000
but also they'll be opportunities
753
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,400
for people to get involved if they want to get
754
00:32:09,266 --> 00:32:10,066
kind of
755
00:32:10,700 --> 00:32:14,000
in with the the ranking slash panelist process
756
00:32:14,533 --> 00:32:19,533
uh we'd also like to do some stuff in Dublin um and if
757
00:32:19,533 --> 00:32:21,900
if we can get at least one or 2 in
758
00:32:21,900 --> 00:32:24,133
in 1 in Northern Ireland one in Dublin
759
00:32:24,233 --> 00:32:26,333
and if we can do it maybe a couple more
760
00:32:26,333 --> 00:32:29,300
uh maybe done in Galway and then down to the southwest
761
00:32:29,533 --> 00:32:32,000
so it'd be nice to to see if we could deepen in
762
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,300
Ireland as well because we we definitely need some some
763
00:32:35,466 --> 00:32:38,133
more depth there we've got some very good
764
00:32:38,266 --> 00:32:41,366
individuals that help us out in Ireland
765
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,033
and they have for quite a few years um
766
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,266
they they're great but
767
00:32:46,266 --> 00:32:48,200
we just need more voices to be heard
768
00:32:48,266 --> 00:32:50,300
uh that have seen some of the depth stuff
769
00:32:50,300 --> 00:32:51,566
in and around Ireland
770
00:32:52,066 --> 00:32:54,466
uh cause there's some cracking golf out there that
771
00:32:54,466 --> 00:32:57,833
again it's just hard to see at all um
772
00:32:57,933 --> 00:33:01,533
I spent a little bit of time in Ireland I think I spent 10 weeks there this year
773
00:33:01,533 --> 00:33:03,000
traveling and playing golf
774
00:33:03,333 --> 00:33:06,966
and I mean there was a lot of draws I'll be honest
775
00:33:07,133 --> 00:33:09,400
uh some of the the little kind of like
776
00:33:09,833 --> 00:33:11,500
nine hole links courses
777
00:33:12,333 --> 00:33:15,000
the best bit was I was a quick story I was in
778
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,133
Mallory which is on in Mayo
779
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,066
or on the at least on the west side I don't know exactly
780
00:33:20,066 --> 00:33:22,700
which which area it's in I think it's Mayo
781
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,400
and I went to a couple other courses one was Duhoma
782
00:33:26,500 --> 00:33:29,133
Duhoma d double o H o m a
783
00:33:29,533 --> 00:33:31,033
and it was like five miles
784
00:33:31,033 --> 00:33:33,233
away from the next golf course that I went to
785
00:33:33,300 --> 00:33:36,700
and they said oh where have you been this morning and I told them and they had never even heard of that golf
786
00:33:36,700 --> 00:33:37,733
course that I was at
787
00:33:41,500 --> 00:33:44,800
but it just shows you that um like there's these
788
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:46,266
really small golf courses
789
00:33:46,266 --> 00:33:48,333
that have a handful of local members
790
00:33:48,333 --> 00:33:50,000
that are tended to by sheep
791
00:33:50,266 --> 00:33:52,166
that are in some pretty cool locations
792
00:33:52,700 --> 00:33:53,500
um
793
00:33:53,500 --> 00:33:56,433
and most of the time you show up you put your five or ten
794
00:33:56,533 --> 00:33:57,333
uh
795
00:33:57,333 --> 00:34:02,533
euro in in an envelope in an honesty box you play and
796
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,600
that'll be your one and only time to go because it's not worth going
797
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,333
back but every once in a while
798
00:34:08,333 --> 00:34:11,733
you get like a cracking golf course um
799
00:34:12,100 --> 00:34:15,566
that defies expectations and actually delivers
800
00:34:15,733 --> 00:34:18,866
and Mallory was a good example of that I've been back a few times
801
00:34:18,866 --> 00:34:22,033
that's not the first time I've been so I knew that it was worth going to see
802
00:34:22,333 --> 00:34:25,333
and every time I go and play it it's a great little 9 hole golf course
803
00:34:25,333 --> 00:34:27,266
um so
804
00:34:27,266 --> 00:34:29,933
we're always on the lookout for those types of things
805
00:34:30,066 --> 00:34:33,666
and I've played a lot of golf courses just kind of like
806
00:34:33,666 --> 00:34:34,466
scrolling through
807
00:34:34,466 --> 00:34:37,233
Google Maps to try and find something that looks like it on links
808
00:34:37,233 --> 00:34:40,533
land and have driven played
809
00:34:40,633 --> 00:34:43,733
and will never go back but you're always in this pursuit
810
00:34:43,733 --> 00:34:46,500
for like kind of that last hidden gem
811
00:34:46,500 --> 00:34:47,633
I mean the west of Scotland is
812
00:34:47,633 --> 00:34:51,366
another good example and all of the islands yeah um
813
00:34:51,700 --> 00:34:56,000
on the off the west coast it's it also is seeing
814
00:34:56,500 --> 00:34:59,533
uniqueness cause a lot of these places weren't built
815
00:34:59,533 --> 00:35:01,833
or designed by anyone of note
816
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,566
no probably the local farmer or postie or whatever
817
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,733
and it's a natural site
818
00:35:07,733 --> 00:35:10,966
that they've just mowed a green out mowed the Fairway
819
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,133
and probably never seen a digger exactly
820
00:35:14,333 --> 00:35:18,133
uh so you get do get unique features that you can then
821
00:35:18,133 --> 00:35:19,700
turn around and be like actually I
822
00:35:19,700 --> 00:35:22,466
saw this bump on this hole that was very cool and
823
00:35:22,466 --> 00:35:24,633
and that's I think that's what you're looking for is it
824
00:35:24,633 --> 00:35:28,800
the maybe these guys we're in an area now where
825
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,566
a time where perhaps we know too much um
826
00:35:31,733 --> 00:35:34,333
you know if you go online you can find drone
827
00:35:34,333 --> 00:35:35,200
footage and flyovers
828
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,400
of almost every great golf course that there is
829
00:35:37,533 --> 00:35:41,700
and that's brilliant um but it's a lot of these little
830
00:35:41,933 --> 00:35:43,733
and to use an overused expression like hidden
831
00:35:43,733 --> 00:35:46,500
gems that you really want to try and seek out and see
832
00:35:46,666 --> 00:35:48,400
and when you think about the amount of golf courses
833
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,800
like we've got say top 100 England
834
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,433
we got our county level stuff but when you add
835
00:35:53,466 --> 00:35:55,500
it all up it's a few hundred golf courses
836
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,200
um but there's thousands
837
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,733
out there just in just in England and it like
838
00:36:00,900 --> 00:36:02,333
is there one or two courses
839
00:36:02,333 --> 00:36:05,233
out there that everyone's sleeping on that
840
00:36:05,300 --> 00:36:06,933
we just haven't found yet
841
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,033
and and I I do think they're there
842
00:36:09,533 --> 00:36:11,900
um and it's trying to shine a light on that so
843
00:36:11,900 --> 00:36:14,500
yeah if anyone wants to get involved um
844
00:36:14,700 --> 00:36:17,600
if you have a good understanding of architecture
845
00:36:17,700 --> 00:36:20,100
if you have a working knowledge of agronomy
846
00:36:21,033 --> 00:36:25,266
um if you've seen kind of like the the best of golf
847
00:36:25,266 --> 00:36:28,233
and that's say world top 100 from the British Isles
848
00:36:28,233 --> 00:36:29,233
or maybe stateside
849
00:36:29,233 --> 00:36:32,533
if you've been privileged enough to be over there um
850
00:36:32,900 --> 00:36:34,066
and and you
851
00:36:34,066 --> 00:36:36,766
you have a working knowledge of those things
852
00:36:37,033 --> 00:36:39,133
then you're qualified to be a panelist
853
00:36:39,133 --> 00:36:43,100
your your view is important to us so that's
854
00:36:44,500 --> 00:36:46,900
that's what's exciting about 2026
855
00:36:46,900 --> 00:36:48,333
uh we'll deepen our panels
856
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,600
we'll continue to to build this structure out
857
00:36:51,900 --> 00:36:54,833
um and then we'll start to get into America as well
858
00:36:55,933 --> 00:36:58,733
we did really well with Canada this year we've got a great
859
00:36:58,733 --> 00:37:00,800
uh panel in Canada that's done very
860
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,533
very good we got a top 100 with 50 contenders
861
00:37:04,033 --> 00:37:05,433
that was very well received
862
00:37:06,533 --> 00:37:09,633
uh controversially but we we think well received
863
00:37:10,233 --> 00:37:13,333
um America Top 100 is fine um
864
00:37:13,333 --> 00:37:15,100
we think we have a really good handle on the really
865
00:37:15,100 --> 00:37:16,833
really top tier stuff in America
866
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,433
but once we get down into the the States
867
00:37:20,533 --> 00:37:21,800
we need a bit more help
868
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,166
so we do alright in places like
869
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,800
New York California Texas we've got a great
870
00:37:27,933 --> 00:37:29,400
panel that's being built
871
00:37:30,100 --> 00:37:34,033
Utah yeah kind of the major golf markets but
872
00:37:34,266 --> 00:37:37,900
there's places out there that we just need more help um
873
00:37:38,733 --> 00:37:41,633
and like I say we we have a good handle on the USA
874
00:37:41,633 --> 00:37:42,233
Top 100
875
00:37:42,233 --> 00:37:44,500
because most of our guys are members of those clubs
876
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,466
and they travel and play most of those clubs
877
00:37:46,466 --> 00:37:48,933
on a yearly basis so we know
878
00:37:50,133 --> 00:37:53,266
yeah what's good and what's what but once we get lower
879
00:37:53,266 --> 00:37:55,400
into the lower tier stuff in state
880
00:37:55,533 --> 00:37:58,133
that's where I need a bit of help so if you're listening to the podcast
881
00:37:58,300 --> 00:37:59,833
you wanna get involved
882
00:38:00,100 --> 00:38:04,033
uh reach out give us a DM we'll be able to find it um
883
00:38:04,066 --> 00:38:05,100
or give us an email
884
00:38:05,100 --> 00:38:08,233
and yeah we can have a chat and we can see if you can help
885
00:38:08,500 --> 00:38:10,933
yeah I know it's super exciting and uh
886
00:38:10,933 --> 00:38:12,500
over the next few years we will definitely
887
00:38:12,500 --> 00:38:15,733
be doing more events around places like the States
888
00:38:16,300 --> 00:38:17,700
um but we're
889
00:38:17,700 --> 00:38:19,900
sorting out where we live first and then we'll ha
890
00:38:19,900 --> 00:38:22,700
ha that's right uh come over and say hi
891
00:38:23,300 --> 00:38:25,066
I think that's pretty much everything
892
00:38:25,066 --> 00:38:27,666
we need to talk about in the online yeah for rankings
893
00:38:27,666 --> 00:38:29,533
yeah I think that's pretty much covered it obviously
894
00:38:29,533 --> 00:38:31,633
there'll be a little bit more um
895
00:38:32,533 --> 00:38:36,100
content when we push these out I will be looking to to
896
00:38:36,100 --> 00:38:37,300
kind of tell the clubs a little bit
897
00:38:37,300 --> 00:38:39,600
beforehand so that they can uh
898
00:38:39,633 --> 00:38:40,933
the ones that have gone up obviously
899
00:38:40,933 --> 00:38:42,433
will be excited about their new positions
900
00:38:42,433 --> 00:38:43,966
the ones that have gone down well
901
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,066
um if you're being mentioned in a top 100
902
00:38:47,066 --> 00:38:48,233
anywhere in the UK
903
00:38:48,833 --> 00:38:50,533
Scotland England or or Ireland
904
00:38:50,533 --> 00:38:53,800
like that's a huge accomplishment so and
905
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,333
and I think the other thing to mention with rankings is
906
00:38:56,866 --> 00:38:59,000
just because you've gone down doesn't necessarily mean
907
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:00,333
you've done anything wrong
908
00:39:00,866 --> 00:39:01,666
um
909
00:39:02,333 --> 00:39:05,433
the the standard of golf is is rising
910
00:39:05,433 --> 00:39:06,633
quite a lot in the UK
911
00:39:06,633 --> 00:39:09,200
there's a lot of money being spent on golf as well and
912
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,866
and that could just be part of it too is that it's not necessarily that you've gotten
913
00:39:12,866 --> 00:39:14,633
worse it's just that maybe your peers
914
00:39:14,633 --> 00:39:16,900
have just edged you out on this
915
00:39:17,133 --> 00:39:21,133
this cycle yeah but give it a year or two and you know
916
00:39:21,133 --> 00:39:24,066
investment do the right work the right way and
917
00:39:24,066 --> 00:39:26,266
there's lots of places like here at Hadley Wood
918
00:39:26,266 --> 00:39:26,900
that are spending
919
00:39:26,900 --> 00:39:28,933
huge amount of money and effort and time
920
00:39:28,933 --> 00:39:30,500
in developing and
921
00:39:31,100 --> 00:39:34,500
uh the whole package of what they offer and
922
00:39:34,933 --> 00:39:37,233
uh they've just done a full bunker renovation
923
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:41,833
uh with Clyde Johnson who we as you know is a great yup
924
00:39:42,100 --> 00:39:46,233
uh a a great architect and it means
925
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:48,533
that a lot of the bunkers
926
00:39:48,533 --> 00:39:50,366
don't have sand to them right now but
927
00:39:50,500 --> 00:39:51,600
come the summer they will
928
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,533
and it will start to look amazing
929
00:39:53,900 --> 00:39:56,533
and then our England ranking comes out in January
930
00:39:56,666 --> 00:39:57,733
that and that's the thing
931
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,433
so there's a lot of investments being done um
932
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:03,433
so I mean I was talking to
933
00:40:03,433 --> 00:40:06,366
an owner of a golf club not that long ago where
934
00:40:06,633 --> 00:40:09,900
in the past historically they were in the
935
00:40:10,233 --> 00:40:11,700
uh the England
936
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:17,233
ranking they dropped out and then they've reentered
937
00:40:18,466 --> 00:40:20,100
and when they reentered
938
00:40:20,100 --> 00:40:21,866
after doing a load of work and the course
939
00:40:21,866 --> 00:40:23,900
is probably better now than it ever was previously
940
00:40:23,900 --> 00:40:25,966
when it was previously ranked uh ranked
941
00:40:26,233 --> 00:40:30,300
and they they weren't as high and yeah very astutely
942
00:40:30,300 --> 00:40:32,500
he said well it's not that we haven't done great work
943
00:40:32,500 --> 00:40:32,800
it's just
944
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,733
everybody else has also done good work as well so
945
00:40:35,733 --> 00:40:38,433
that that's the thing to keep in mind is at the end of the day rankings
946
00:40:38,433 --> 00:40:40,100
are subjective um
947
00:40:40,433 --> 00:40:44,433
you know if you're not talking about 48 and 51 yeah
948
00:40:45,066 --> 00:40:47,233
no but the thing is you in England
949
00:40:47,233 --> 00:40:48,833
people I don't think people realize how deep
950
00:40:48,833 --> 00:40:50,166
England goes um
951
00:40:50,300 --> 00:40:53,333
as a Scotsman it's hard for me to say it but
952
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,433
our hundredth ranked golf course
953
00:40:56,633 --> 00:40:59,333
versus England's hundredth ranked golf course
954
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,000
it's a no brainer who you go play yep
955
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:03,933
England is incredibly deep um
956
00:41:04,700 --> 00:41:06,700
and there's a lot of good golf around
957
00:41:06,833 --> 00:41:09,333
you know maybe that's one thing to end on to is the
958
00:41:09,633 --> 00:41:11,300
when we are looking at the contenders
959
00:41:11,300 --> 00:41:14,333
list for England there's um I think we've had
960
00:41:14,466 --> 00:41:17,566
something like between 40 and 50 golf courses
961
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,600
and if you were to ask our panel
962
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:26,333
out of the 60 courses from like 91 to 150
963
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,800
pick 10 that we can put in
964
00:41:30,300 --> 00:41:34,200
those last 10 spots so 91 to 100 um
965
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,600
like the range that you get in those answers is
966
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:39,666
phenomenal yeah because there's
967
00:41:39,666 --> 00:41:42,566
you know out of every one that you pick there's five that won't make it
968
00:41:42,633 --> 00:41:43,933
and
969
00:41:44,733 --> 00:41:48,500
that's just good to keep in mind so even if you don't get into it
970
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,033
it doesn't mean that you don't have a fighting
971
00:41:50,033 --> 00:41:51,833
chance and it doesn't mean that
972
00:41:51,833 --> 00:41:53,766
you know you're not gonna make it in next time
973
00:41:53,866 --> 00:41:55,733
so yeah it's exciting
974
00:41:55,733 --> 00:41:58,333
um but I think we've got a really robust process
975
00:41:58,333 --> 00:41:59,433
we've had more contributions
976
00:41:59,433 --> 00:42:01,466
than we've ever had before uh
977
00:42:01,466 --> 00:42:04,500
once you kind of layer in all of that data you start to see some trends
978
00:42:04,500 --> 00:42:08,000
emerge and you can really start to see how
979
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:08,733
people are seeing
980
00:42:08,733 --> 00:42:10,633
golf based on the criteria that we've set
981
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:14,200
so yeah it's exciting but I'm looking forward to it uh
982
00:42:14,833 --> 00:42:15,833
Spring's gonna be interesting
983
00:42:15,833 --> 00:42:16,733
we got a nice little build
984
00:42:16,733 --> 00:42:19,166
with a lot of ranking releases up until the Masters
985
00:42:19,466 --> 00:42:22,600
and then kind of playing season officially kicks off
986
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:24,700
officially unofficially with the The Masters
987
00:42:25,133 --> 00:42:27,200
and yeah then we'll be into uh
988
00:42:27,333 --> 00:42:30,200
more playing content which can't wait to because
989
00:42:30,500 --> 00:42:33,200
yeah being inside looking at spreadsheets and screens
990
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:34,133
there's yeah it's
991
00:42:34,333 --> 00:42:38,100
find out amount of time that remains fun is getting uh
992
00:42:38,466 --> 00:42:41,633
winter can piss off now hahaha agreed hahaha
993
00:42:42,066 --> 00:42:44,900
OK well thank you very much Jasper um and
994
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,733
uh thank you very much for everyone who's listening
995
00:42:47,266 --> 00:42:49,100
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