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I mean the game is an amateur game

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there are idols and heroes and fun to watch them play

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you have to remember when you play a golf course

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and you're out there for four hours or whatever

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you're only hitting a ball for what

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so there's a lot of time to look around

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hello and welcome to another episode of Top 100

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Clubhouse Podcast I'm your host

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James Henderson I'm joined by Jasper Minors

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the editor of the website

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how are you Jasper

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yeah doing really well

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we're in

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uh Royal Port Call

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yup probably

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one of the coolest clubs you can go to in the UK

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it is very rare that you get a

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golf course of this calibre

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that is matched by a club

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and clubhouse of a similar calibre

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but they've got it here very much so

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there's an atmosphere here that is very unique uh

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to the best clubs in the game of golf

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very much so yeah

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if you haven't been you have to come

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enjoy the golf course

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stay in the dormy accommodation

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and spend as much time as you can around the bar

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with the members they will make you feel like

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you could literally spend all day in the clubhouse

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which we've done today yup and uh

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I don't feel like going home yeah

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I I think we're forgetting it's lunchtime and it's like

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yeah we've got work to do yeah

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this is amazing

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but everywhere you turn

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they shake your hand and welcome you

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and it's not a us forcing them to say hello

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it's them curious ha ha ha

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I'm wondering up and saying hello

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and the staff as well is absolutely brilliant

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it's Royal Port Call has delivered on every level

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I've been before but not to play

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and this will firmly become part of the

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the regular stops each year to come and see the course

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and see the clubhouse again

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a lot of places of the standing

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and here hold up very high standards in terms of

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the quality of output that they want

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from all parts of the in the environment

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but they don't curtail the personality

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which is really cool and hard to do

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it's a very welcoming experience because of that

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what's really interesting about these types of clubs

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is that you can tell that this is the

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the fabric of the club has been woven over

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an extensive period of time

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and it's it's who the it's who and what the club is uh

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it's not been curated it's not been forced

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they've done a very good job of evolving to this point

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it's taken more than 130 years

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it's been a worthy investment

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because it's an absolutely astonishing place

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it is the fact that you're not even allowed a fork

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and it's those little things uh

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if you have chips you can't have in the bar

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you've got to have it in the dining room

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but you're allowed a sandwich

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you can't have a sandwich yeah

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it's all those little details uh that make a

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a true club with personality um

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those little wrinkles those little details uh nuances

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idiosyncrasies and it's not something that puts you off

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it actually endears you to the club

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there's a story behind all of that

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yeah and there's a reason for it

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but it's a bad way to start a podcast

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about the Irish rankings that is true

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but we should get into that

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we should probably move over into the Irish rankings

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and so Jasper what's changed

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what's happening

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how is it all going with Irish rankings

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usually although top 100 has never had a

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like an established rule of ranking updates

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um last year we had what we termed as a

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GBI and the the major countries within it

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the largest amount of change last year

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island of Ireland ranking

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the Republic and then we did the the four uh provinces

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if you will so similar to what they do in Rugby

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and we came out with the top 25

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so now this year we've extended that to 30

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the interesting thing about Ireland this year

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is that the European club has been sold

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Kyle Phillips has been brought in to redo it

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and it will now be called British Bay

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British Bay and they've got a really good logo

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do they it's just a strong logo

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it's a it's a modern logo

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so yeah if you haven't seen it

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the British Bay the area that it's in

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so just south of Dublin uh similar on that coastline

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Straka has been building

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I hope I'm saying that right

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Kuraklo and British Base so

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those are the two golf courses

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that we'll be intrigued to see

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they have a very small bit of links land

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and it looked like it was being called the links

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for the sake of maybe one or two holes on that

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if you head over there and look is that in land

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they moved to what was farmland

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and a bit of clay they found a massive sandbank

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the golf course is very much a full sand site

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hype or storytelling or reality

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what that will come out like

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you hear these things about a links golf course

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majority of Scottish golf courses

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they can dig that sand out

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and find ways of using it in the other areas

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where there was sand on site uh

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the hole that they dug to get the sand out of

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that's where all the clay went

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the point that the best golf courses are built on sand

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looks like they've had enough to do it properly

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is that European club was quite highly ranked

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uh now that that's been closed for an entire year

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it's not available to play

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that's come out of the rankings

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so we will play it after we see it in 2027

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what that means is that a lot of the golf courses

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that are slightly above it or below it have shifted

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a very good panel in Ireland

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very well played uh both in Ireland

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continental Europe and and the rest of the world

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and this is true for all the rankings

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that we'll put out over the next uh

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when it comes to England and Scotland especially

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panel network around the world

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roughly about 200 people help us with our rankings

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so individuals that were either born or bred in GBI

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or Ireland that had played extensively

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they come back and visit family members every year

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spend one two

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three months in Ireland

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play golf regularly at all the top clubs

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but they weren't on our panel

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because they were located in America

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that these individuals could contribute

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so we've included now those individuals

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and I think that's helped us to

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not only go from 25 courses

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we're just finalizing the last few

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but also establishing a contenders list

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so I think for for Ireland

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it's probably the best

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ranking that we've come out with

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there's definitely a leaning towards links

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uh with parklands uh moving down a little bit

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but that's just a reflection

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I think of the Americans weighing in

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on having a world standard

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rather than a local standard

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I think that's the thing

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is that when you have the best parklands in the world

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you have individuals that play those parklands

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regularly or are members of some of the best Parkland

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golf courses in the world

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Pennsylvania etcetera

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their perspective on what makes Parkland golf courses

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good if not great

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is very different than

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the novelty of finding a very good Parkland

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when we're used to playing links and heathland

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I do find it interesting cause I do

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we do have an under appreciation in the UK

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of what we have the quality of the golf

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in terms of the links land that we have

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and the history we have with great golf designers

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they dream of having the sites that we're

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we're undermining by saying that this

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Parkland's better than it

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it's a really weird inflection point at the minute

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I think a lot of golfers in the UK look at America

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and they think

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isn't it really cool what they're doing over there

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maybe we can try and do more of that

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um and actually

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the Americans are kind of

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looking back at what we've always had here

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and saying maybe we should be more like them

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so you have these two sides of the Atlantic

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that are looking at each other

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trying to imitate one another

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and I think at the minute it seems like the really

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really high end stuff in America

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not just private clubs but just great golf

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they're going back to less of a focus on

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manicured well presented

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just perfect golf courses

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and they're focusing on the things that actually matter

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so the right type of turf

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the right type of playing conditions

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involving the ground game

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um

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and and I mean that

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that can involve so many things

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approaches to greens greens that run away from you

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as opposed to tilt it towards you etcetera etcetera

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it goes on from there

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but I think what we've seen here in the rankings

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is that some courses move up

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some move down but it's really a reflection of

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having the input of well traveled

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well seasoned

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players that have a very broad perspective

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it's almost like we've gone from a situation where

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the two ends didn't meet you know

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it's like a there was no chat over the pond

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and now we've come to a situation

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where we feel like we've got to a point

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where we've balanced those situations very well

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yes so

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I mean

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some of the courses that see a little bit of a rise

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obviously there's new new

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a new course that's kind of

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come online in this past year

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at Royal Portrush

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the big course everybody loves uh

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it's one of the greatest golf courses in the world

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the Dunluce uh

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but then next door uh

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the Valley Course

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um they've got three new holes

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um that is a spectacular little golf course that

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I think most people played

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the Dunluce and then went on to the next big one

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uh the other one that's nearby

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that sometimes gets overshadowed is um

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the the strand at Portstewart

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that sees a little bit of a rise

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so I think Northern Ireland is

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is flexing its muscles a bit in this

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they've done a lot of work on that golf course

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and I do think that yes

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it's spectacular in that front

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eight holes through those dunes that the teacher built

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it's absolutely it's so much fun

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some of the funnest golf you'll ever have play

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but the section from 8 to 14

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now is arguably the best golf on the property

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and I know they're about to start work on 16

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17 18 there

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so um

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it's exciting

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because the amount of times I've walked off on 16

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cause you return to the clubhouse and let's be honest

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it can be a wee bit exposed

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so when your underwear starts getting wet

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time to call it a day and head for the bar

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so I think uh

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I think those courses have have

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have risen um

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and there's good reason for them to do so

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some of the other courses fall uh

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it was interesting rossopena

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obviously they've got uh

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Saint Patrick's links as part of the

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the world top 100 that hasn't been affected

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so we've aligned Ireland GBI with the world uh

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it looks like

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there will be an update to the world ranking

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uh the end of uh

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2026 and so when that does come through

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whatever happens at the the top will filter down

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so there might be a little update to these rankings

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in due course if

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excuse me there are indeed changes at that level

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but one thing that we've seen was uh

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the old Tom Morris course uh

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getting a little bit more love

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I think Sandy Hills was adored

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a lot of people loved it uh

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it reminded me a little bit of the

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the cashing course at Bali Bunion

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uh the potential is

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is phenomenal but the

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the dunes and the land that it's on

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uh the nature of the land

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is that those playing quarters are very narrow

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and at some points it becomes

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well unless you're very

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very accurate it almost becomes unplayable

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it's a battle of attrition

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so it's not that we've gone cold on Sandy Links

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I think it's still a phenomenal golf course

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it's one of the best in Ireland

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but I think what we've seen is

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maybe

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a little bit more love for the two contrasting nines

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that make up the old Tom Morris course

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I've interest Jasper do you think that a place like the

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is it Sandy I've not been there

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Sandy Lane sandy hills

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sandy hills sandy hills

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sandy hills do you think a place like Sandy Hills

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where it does tighten a lot and get

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if it had no weather issues wouldn't have the

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would get more respect or do you reckon

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because the weather is very exposed

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part of the country

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it's probably windy majority of the time

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yeah and I

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I don't think it's necessarily down to

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the elements that make it difficult

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I think it is just it's it's a it

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it's on a ridge of dunes okay

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um that that make the corridors very

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very narrow um

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and and on a lot of them

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you play on top of the ridgelines

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as opposed to in the valleys

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if it's blowing it's a

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it's a it's a definite challenge

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but I think even for the average golfer sometimes it's

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uh it can be quite attritional

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it's uh you try to survive there as opposed to

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to to take it on or

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or challenge it or be a bit aggressive

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I think the two courses there

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Sandy Hills and Old Tom Morris um

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Sandy Hills definitely has

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masses of potential to be a really cool golf course

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and then the knock against the old Tom Morris

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is that the nines contrast

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and that's what came back

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in some of the rankings that we were fed back uh

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me personally

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if two nines contrast

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I don't necessarily see that as a yeah

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a massive difference um

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there are some golf courses that play like

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on links land and then they kind of go into heathland

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and then back out again yep

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very much so and that necessarily doesn't affect

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how we feel about them um

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but there is very much a contrast

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between the front line and back line at

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at Old Town Mosque so again

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we we have to listen to the panelists uh

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they've spoken

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we've we've taken their views on board uh

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one of the things that was surprising um

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and maybe this is one that will cause

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a bit of consternation is old head

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so Old Head is one of those golf courses that

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it's a spectacular place to play golf

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um but it doesn't necessarily equate to great golf

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so it's a little bit like uh

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is it nothing here in Wales

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where you have those coal holes out on

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like almost a Headland uh

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it's an amazing place to play golf

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it's incredible sea holes

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etcetera etcetera but um

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whilst the experience is amazing to play golf there

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it doesn't necessarily equate to being one of the

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great golf courses of Ireland

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in our our latest rankings

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and so is there any other changes of happened

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or is that so uh

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you look at the uh

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the top six golf courses uh

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the ones that are in the world ranking

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they've remained as they are

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once we get past that uh

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there is a bit of movement from

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let's say seven through to 15

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there's a lot of movement uh

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some of them are small changes uh

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one or two spots

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but I think we've seen courses like Sligo and Louth

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that perhaps maybe haven't been on everybody's radar

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I think Louth because it's usually the second course

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that most people play after they play Portmarnock

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and Portmarnock has like this level of prestige uh

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because it's an elite club it's difficult to get to uh

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or play on um

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that there's an expectation that it's just better

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but I think if you if you were blindfolded

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and you were brought to the front gates

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and just allowed to play the golf courses

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I think

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what we've heard back from a lot of our panelists

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is that the gap between those two golf courses

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is much more

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narrower than what many people would be LED to believe

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and maybe that's a top tip for a lot of people

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if you can't get to Portmarnock

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when you're visiting Ireland

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uh County Louth is

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if what people don't know is Jasper's just spent

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how long were you in Ireland this last year

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so this this last year I spent 11 weeks all said 11

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so I was about to say three months

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but not far off roughly three months so um

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and you can imagine a nerd of his standards would be

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playing and seeing everything he can

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and the one course you came back going

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okay this one

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this is serious was county life and again

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I don't sit on the Irish panel uh

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my job in all of this

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is to do a lot of the coordinating

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so we have to send out all of the spreadsheets

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someone has to get those back

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then we have to collate all the results

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put them into a standard

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so that we understand everything

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and then when we share it with the panel

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for their feedback and a bit of moderation

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we can look at what the general consensus is

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and without doubt um

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County Louth was one of those courses that

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everyone on the panel felt uh

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we had been sleeping on for quite a while

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uh so it's an interesting one to get that

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I mean it's been there forever

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um

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it's not like it's a new golf course

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but I think we've seen a a shift towards appreciating

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uh those subtle golf courses again

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um it

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it's a phenomenal golf course

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and I think

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the difference between Portmarnock and County Louth

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74th in the world

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and then a non ranked World Golf Course

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World ranked Golf golf course

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there's not much in it

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do you think it's really difficult

549
00:21:59,033 --> 00:22:01,000
and Portmarnock has the standing

550
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:02,733
so it's very different but

551
00:22:02,733 --> 00:22:04,433
do you think it's very difficult for a subtle

552
00:22:04,433 --> 00:22:07,433
golf course to excel in a

553
00:22:07,433 --> 00:22:09,533
in a country known for massive dunes

554
00:22:09,533 --> 00:22:11,100
well I think that's exactly it

555
00:22:11,100 --> 00:22:13,333
I think you get a golf course like uh

556
00:22:13,333 --> 00:22:14,600
County Louth which is

557
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,733
is very elegant it's very subtle

558
00:22:16,766 --> 00:22:17,766
the it doesn't play

559
00:22:17,766 --> 00:22:20,600
it's not like it's the antithesis to Karn

560
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:22,533
uh or even Rossi Pena

561
00:22:22,533 --> 00:22:23,733
like there's just there's

562
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:27,200
there's nothing that that makes you

563
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,700
makes you think of the uh

564
00:22:29,966 --> 00:22:31,400
to compare the two yeah

565
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,100
so to to answer your question about the

566
00:22:34,100 --> 00:22:35,700
a subtle golf course in Ireland

567
00:22:35,700 --> 00:22:38,566
I think will be a little bit it

568
00:22:38,566 --> 00:22:40,166
it it will have more difficulty

569
00:22:40,166 --> 00:22:42,233
and I think the the reason for that is that

570
00:22:42,566 --> 00:22:44,800
unless you've played a golf course like Portmarnock

571
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:46,166
or County Louth multiple times

572
00:22:46,166 --> 00:22:48,600
it's hard to truly appreciate how great it is

573
00:22:48,900 --> 00:22:52,733
where I think when you go to somewhere like Karn or

574
00:22:54,366 --> 00:22:56,033
Waterville for example

575
00:22:56,033 --> 00:22:58,000
it's in your face you can absorb it

576
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,300
it doesn't take much to look at a massive Dune

577
00:23:00,300 --> 00:23:02,600
either have to play over or around

578
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:06,200
or manufacture shots to to

579
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:07,666
to progress your ball around

580
00:23:08,166 --> 00:23:08,600
you know that

581
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,200
that's quite an easy thing to capture

582
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,000
and understand what's going on

583
00:23:12,366 --> 00:23:13,333
so

584
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:15,700
I think that test

585
00:23:15,700 --> 00:23:20,133
of being able to get a connoisseur's opinion

586
00:23:20,233 --> 00:23:22,133
on those types of golf courses

587
00:23:22,233 --> 00:23:24,566
I think that's why we've seen changes in the ranking

588
00:23:24,566 --> 00:23:25,000
is because

589
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,833
we've had people that were Irish born and bred

590
00:23:27,833 --> 00:23:29,300
who played a lot of golf there

591
00:23:29,300 --> 00:23:32,833
played the width and breadth of the entire country

592
00:23:33,300 --> 00:23:37,000
and they've got an amazing plain portfolio uh

593
00:23:37,166 --> 00:23:40,133
on both sides of the pond and in Australia

594
00:23:40,133 --> 00:23:42,233
New Zealand where they've been able to say

595
00:23:42,233 --> 00:23:44,633
actually here's a golf course

596
00:23:44,633 --> 00:23:45,433
that's

597
00:23:45,933 --> 00:23:46,633
so much better

598
00:23:46,633 --> 00:23:48,233
than what most people give it credit for

599
00:23:48,233 --> 00:23:50,600
do you think it's also runs in a trend

600
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:55,433
so spectacular is very much been the word of the

601
00:23:55,433 --> 00:23:56,800
last 10 years

602
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:58,900
I think it's very true in the social media age

603
00:23:58,900 --> 00:24:00,000
like what does everybody want

604
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,366
they would they want the money shot right

605
00:24:01,366 --> 00:24:03,133
they would they want a cape kidnappers

606
00:24:03,133 --> 00:24:05,600
they want a carn they want an old head

607
00:24:06,300 --> 00:24:08,200
like where you just have this amazing golf course

608
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:09,566
on this amazing piece of land

609
00:24:09,566 --> 00:24:11,800
it looks great it gets amazing interaction

610
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:12,766
everybody likes it

611
00:24:12,766 --> 00:24:16,766
and does that necessarily mean that that's great golf

612
00:24:16,766 --> 00:24:19,766
well it's great for social media um

613
00:24:19,766 --> 00:24:22,766
but you get a golf course like Portmarnock

614
00:24:22,766 --> 00:24:23,733
Merfield uh

615
00:24:23,733 --> 00:24:26,733
the Old Course where you you know

616
00:24:26,733 --> 00:24:28,766
you you get a lot of individuals go to the Old Course

617
00:24:28,766 --> 00:24:30,433
and they sit on the first tee and they think what

618
00:24:30,433 --> 00:24:32,533
what is this they walk off 18 and they say well

619
00:24:32,533 --> 00:24:33,533
it's completely overrated

620
00:24:33,533 --> 00:24:35,533
it's the most overrated golf course in the world

621
00:24:36,700 --> 00:24:38,433
and then you get the greatest players

622
00:24:38,433 --> 00:24:39,733
and golf course architects

623
00:24:39,733 --> 00:24:42,033
and it's the one course where you get like

624
00:24:42,033 --> 00:24:43,366
Jack Nicklaus Bobby Jones

625
00:24:43,366 --> 00:24:48,533
Tiger Woods and then also Tom Doak and Gil Hanson

626
00:24:48,633 --> 00:24:50,733
whoever and the more they know about it

627
00:24:50,733 --> 00:24:52,700
the more they play it the more they understand it

628
00:24:52,700 --> 00:24:55,200
eventually they all get to the point where they say

629
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,533
this is the greatest golf course in the world and it's

630
00:24:58,533 --> 00:24:59,933
there's very few golf courses

631
00:24:59,933 --> 00:25:01,333
where architects and players

632
00:25:01,333 --> 00:25:03,300
eventually get to the same point

633
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:04,400
and

634
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,500
that's testament to how great these golf courses are

635
00:25:06,500 --> 00:25:07,533
but what do all these ones

636
00:25:07,533 --> 00:25:09,966
have in common is that they're nuanced

637
00:25:09,966 --> 00:25:11,900
they're subtle um

638
00:25:11,900 --> 00:25:14,333
they're they're constantly evolving

639
00:25:14,533 --> 00:25:16,433
the way that you play them changes

640
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:18,433
every day is different

641
00:25:19,566 --> 00:25:20,600
the those are the things

642
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,400
and I think that's reflected in

643
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,700
some of the changes that have taken place in Ireland

644
00:25:24,833 --> 00:25:25,733
where

645
00:25:25,733 --> 00:25:28,633
having depth of play through all of those courses

646
00:25:29,366 --> 00:25:31,433
we can now reflect that in our rankings

647
00:25:31,433 --> 00:25:33,433
that the appreciation for these things

648
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:34,733
it's not just one or two

649
00:25:34,733 --> 00:25:36,000
guys that have played it once or twice

650
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:37,166
and walked away and said yes

651
00:25:37,166 --> 00:25:41,033
this should be here multiple plays over multiple years

652
00:25:41,366 --> 00:25:43,733
a long history of playing golf in Ireland

653
00:25:43,833 --> 00:25:44,833
they've been able to

654
00:25:44,833 --> 00:25:47,333
to help us see that some of these courses

655
00:25:47,333 --> 00:25:50,233
we've maybe perhaps underappreciated in the past

656
00:25:51,100 --> 00:25:53,033
the last thing I would like to go on to

657
00:25:53,033 --> 00:25:55,833
about the Irish rankings is um

658
00:25:55,833 --> 00:25:59,000
I know that we've got at least one event planned

659
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,333
next year within Ireland

660
00:26:01,500 --> 00:26:04,233
and maybe more coming

661
00:26:04,533 --> 00:26:07,633
where we'll try and gather and gain

662
00:26:07,633 --> 00:26:11,366
and introduce ourselves to get more panelists

663
00:26:11,366 --> 00:26:13,566
because we're happy where our panel is now

664
00:26:13,566 --> 00:26:15,666
but we'd always like to hear more opinions

665
00:26:16,133 --> 00:26:18,800
and I just wanted to touch on that

666
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:19,233
yeah yeah

667
00:26:19,233 --> 00:26:20,433
so there will be some uh

668
00:26:20,433 --> 00:26:22,300
some more details about that forthcoming

669
00:26:22,300 --> 00:26:23,433
by the time this airs

670
00:26:23,433 --> 00:26:26,233
it might well be that that's become public so uh

671
00:26:26,233 --> 00:26:28,466
keep your eyes on socials

672
00:26:28,766 --> 00:26:30,800
um sign up to our newsletter

673
00:26:30,900 --> 00:26:32,833
and all the details will come out there

674
00:26:33,033 --> 00:26:33,400
uh but it

675
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:34,766
looks like we've got some partners

676
00:26:34,766 --> 00:26:38,200
in and around Dublin and potentially Donegal uh

677
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:39,166
that we can uh

678
00:26:39,166 --> 00:26:41,466
put these events on so it'll be spectacular golf

679
00:26:41,733 --> 00:26:43,500
uh can't say much about uh

680
00:26:43,700 --> 00:26:45,100
the company that you might be keeping

681
00:26:45,100 --> 00:26:46,200
if James and I are there

682
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,433
but we'll try our best to behave ourselves with uh

683
00:26:49,433 --> 00:26:50,366
the Guinness and the

684
00:26:50,366 --> 00:26:52,366
No Doubt Kilkenny that will be running

685
00:26:52,366 --> 00:26:53,000
do you like uh

686
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,966
Irish whiskey I do

687
00:26:54,966 --> 00:26:55,600
oh love God

688
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,466
Irish whiskey damn'cause so do I hahaha

689
00:26:58,600 --> 00:26:59,833
it's dangerous hahaha

690
00:26:59,833 --> 00:27:02,833
so if any Irish whiskey brands would like to sponsor

691
00:27:02,833 --> 00:27:05,833
hahaha either the podcast or the event

692
00:27:05,966 --> 00:27:09,033
I promise we won't drink too much hahaha

693
00:27:09,333 --> 00:27:09,800
so yeah no

694
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:10,900
we're looking forward to Ireland

695
00:27:10,900 --> 00:27:13,233
it's always great the golf there is spectacular

696
00:27:13,533 --> 00:27:15,300
uh we've got 30 or 35

697
00:27:15,300 --> 00:27:17,300
there might even be more um

698
00:27:17,433 --> 00:27:19,500
there's a little bit of uh

699
00:27:19,933 --> 00:27:21,400
feedback that we're still awaiting

700
00:27:21,500 --> 00:27:23,633
we're we're just coming into the planting season

701
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,700
so we're waiting for a few people to take a few trips

702
00:27:26,700 --> 00:27:28,400
and then give us their final results

703
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,400
and that might just adjust

704
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,966
or tweak or settle some of the questions

705
00:27:32,966 --> 00:27:33,766
we have outstanding

706
00:27:33,766 --> 00:27:35,533
so more or less we're there

707
00:27:35,533 --> 00:27:37,766
but I think it gives a good synopsis of

708
00:27:37,766 --> 00:27:39,966
of where we're at with Ireland at the minute superb

709
00:27:39,966 --> 00:27:41,400
well thank you very much Jasper

710
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,333
I I know that uh

711
00:27:43,333 --> 00:27:45,200
there's a Guinness sitting in the bar waiting for you

712
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:46,366
so uh

713
00:27:46,366 --> 00:27:47,533
speaking about Irish rankings

714
00:27:47,533 --> 00:27:48,700
should we go get stuck in

715
00:27:48,700 --> 00:27:50,033
I think so cheers

716
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