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I mean the game is an amateur game
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I mean the professional side of it
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you know
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there are idols and heroes and fun to watch them play
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but I mean if it weren't for amateur golf
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there would be no golf
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you have to remember when you play a golf course
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and you're out there for four hours or whatever
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you're only hitting the
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you're only hitting a ball for what
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15 minutes of that
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so there's a lot of time to look around
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hello and welcome to another episode of the Top 100
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Clubhouse podcast
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I'm your host James Henderson
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and I'm here with my boss
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my very kind CEO David Davis
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how are you David
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yeah great
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always always nice to have a chat with you James
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and we don't have whiskies with us this time
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so I guess we'll uh haha it'll just be a chat
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well I've got my full family in the house right now
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and it's absolute chaos I've uh
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made dinner done everything
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and it's just I'm not gonna lie to you
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I needed a few coffees
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and I don't think sleep's gonna be coming to me easy
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that at tonight but we'll see what happens
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and so David
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we've got you on
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because we've actually had quite a cool
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little activation happen
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within the company we've had
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a something very close to your heart
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and I know it's very close to your heart
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cause you wear them every time you play
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golf
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and we've had Echo become a key sponsor for Top 100
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and that's amazing I've been as you know
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a a lifelong advertisement for them
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for people that don't know
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David is the CEO Top 100 and is also the
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the CEO of Lockhart
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and has completed the world Top 100
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I worked out how many golf courses
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how much walking you would have done in those shoes
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worked out how far
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in terms of just like giving people an understanding
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right so I know how many golf courses you've played
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so I'm not gonna say the number
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but if you walk from LA to New York and back
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that's probably how much time you spent in golf shoes
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yeah I'll I'll buy that it that's a lot of walking
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that's a that's a lot of walking
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that's wild what about what what about the second year
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that's like the first year right
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so I mean what about that
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well it's a I just can't understand how it's that far
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it's well so far in the early days
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like I actually we're talking about this today
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in the early days we did trips in the early days
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I'm talking like you know 2,011 12 13 14 15
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I I would do you know several trips a year
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let's say at least three trips a year where I did
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I do two weeks um
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play 36 holes a day so two different courses a day
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and we'd always for whatever crazy
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reason throw in a couple of 54 hole walking days
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and we're talking walking golf only
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so that happened a lot in the UK and you say walking
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how many times do you have to take a buggy
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when you're doing those things
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cause the recovery must be mental
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I mean if there's no buggies to take
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you don't take buggies right
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like if you're in continental Europe
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um most places if they have buggies
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they have them only for people who have a handicap
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certificates of one kind or another
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so you'd have to have like a doctor's note or
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in the Netherlands where I live
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they you need a
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you need an official like a handycart card or something
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you have to be a member of the handycart
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there's like a society that's
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for people that need to use carts and stuff
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and and so that comes
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you know you need a medical certificate
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like I said you need a bunch of other things
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otherwise golf is a walking sport
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you know it's a sport you walk and
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and then you
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you log in the miles if you play a lot of golf
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yes I do say logging in miles
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LA to New York and back is a lot
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a lot of walking
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and so we've done a few parts together
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talking about doing the world Top 100
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and your story about doing it
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but what I would like to do is delve into how would
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someone else approach it
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how do you recommend to others to take on the challenge
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I think that would be a really interesting way of uh
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segueing to if I was to take on
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what would you say
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or if anyone was just gonna start that journey
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where would you start
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there's
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you know there's varying
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there's a lot of things that will that can help you
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so for example um
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I'm just trying to think
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if there's anybody that I know of
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there's not that many people
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that have completed the journey
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and most of the people
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you know
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they'll be a member of a nice private club someplace
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basically
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and that helps a lot like
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I don't know off the top of my head
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trying to think if there's anybody that completed it
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that um
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was not a member of a golf course anywhere
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or something like that right
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and because you know
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one of the big things about golf is sharing and
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and sharing what what you've got and
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you know I I can give you you know
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everybody needs to find out what is that that they
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they would share for example
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in my case and I've talked about that before you know
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I I was um I'm living in the Netherlands and you know
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there's other Americans that live in the Netherlands
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but there's not that many Americans
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living in the Netherlands
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that are complete golf lunatics
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like I was and so I
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was lucky to be in a place that um
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happened to have some amazing golf
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and I wasn't a member of those clubs specifically
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but I ended up um
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becoming I mean
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that's in the early days
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a member of Nordic by the Golf Club um
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which was one of the best clubs in the country
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and has always been you know
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and and it's not a world top hundred
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but it's it's essentially
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you know having
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being a member of a great club that
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you know
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again
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World Top hundred is such a tiny little percentage
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and it's subjective and
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you know
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we've talked about those type of things a lot because
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you know
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I wasn't defining the list that that I was chasing
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I was just chasing after
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a list that a bunch of people put together basically
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right and
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and there is a
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so many amazing courses that aren't on the list
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and don't wanna be for example
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or or not even interested in the notoriety or
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or what it brings with it
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you know and in
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in some cases it would you know
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bring a lot of demand to private clubs
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that might not want that for example um
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and I'm sure that's the case with some of them that are
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that that do get ranked you know um
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but there's you know
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clubs all over the place in Netherlands as well
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there's some great clubs Nordwijk is a great
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a great course and a great
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club in fact it's gonna be way better now sorry
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it's a side little thing but you know
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it's being
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redone over the course of the next three years
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you know and and that's a massive renovation
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and I will bet that I
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you know that's one of one of my clubs
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I'll be a member of another top hundred course
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because I think that that's a um
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gonna be a top hundred golf course
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or at least if if we do a good
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you know if Nordberg does a good job
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they have a really good opportunity to be in that
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in the discussion you know
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well a serious candidate for it so but but anyway
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you know a long way to say you you know
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you gotta find what is that
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that gives me an opportunity to do it
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so a one of the things is networking
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you have to be a good networker
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a crazy good networker
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and put yourself in a position where
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you have an opportunity to
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to make friends and meet people and
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and that are members of great clubs
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and usually you do that when you're out on the road
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traveling around you know
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and and getting face to face
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one of the things that happens this day and age
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is that people do a lot by Instagram even or
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Facebook or something when
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when back when we were running around and
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and we were doing it the hard way
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you weren't doing that because those things just
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people weren't didn't use them for that
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you know Instagram wasn't around
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I don't remember what year it came around
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because I was a very late
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late adopter to using Instagram
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and and even like Facebook
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I mean I might have been an early adopter on Facebook
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but I wasn't using it for that type of stuff
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I didn't even think about it
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I was using it for family related things and stuff
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or to stay in touch with some friends but anyway
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all those things
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our assets that can be used now that we
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we didn't have you know
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there's there's there's plenty of uh
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clubs out there that are in very very high demand
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so you know there's there's things like um
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if you're a member of a
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a high and private club someplace
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you know there's um
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thousand greens there's some digital type asset
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things that you can use you know
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that that help maybe
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maybe they only help on a couple of courses
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or whatever but they they could help you and and I
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I guess it's the kind of thing like
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you know that that'll sound silly
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but if you're a member of Pine Valley
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it's probably easier or you're a member of Augusta
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it's easier to play the world's top hundred
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than it is if you're a
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you're a member of the local Muni
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you know that has a membership
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for example so
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you know those things you can
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you can't take that type of stuff for granted because a
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a member there that decides to do it
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has a kind of reciprocity that
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you know if all the other
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anybody from any other top hundred course
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would like to play your
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your course and if it's Pine Valley or Augusta
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or something like that or Cypress or whatever
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well obviously that's a no brainer and
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and you know
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it would be easy
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if you're willing to put in the hard yards if
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if you're a member of one of those clubs right
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yeah it's
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if you're a member of anything in the
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in the world top hundred it puts you in a unique space
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that you have something to share
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and then it's about breaking out of your comfort zone
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and essentially and
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and you know
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getting on the road and and visiting places and
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you know finding out how do I
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how do I give back how do I can
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you know contribute to this whole um
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you know
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universe of these crazy guys running around the world
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to wanting to have these experiences
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and then I become part of it
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you know and that takes some work no matter
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even if you're a member of one of those clubs
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it takes some work
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because not everybody's a natural networker
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not everybody's doing those things
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but you have to be willing to put
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in the hard yards and reach out and
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you know you gotta be willing to host people
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you know and give your time to do it
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like I I was in this country and I was um
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in a unique situation
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because it's almost like being that one
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you know open contact to people coming to visit and
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and thinking and also you know
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in my mind as well
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wanting to promote golf in this country
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because nobody cared I mean
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people just didn't they care about their club
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but they didn't care to promote it as like a
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a place to come or you know what
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what's there and for me
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it was like oh wow no
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I'm in a place that has this great golf
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that nobody knows about it
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it's like there's nobody that I know
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that would ever think of in that
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in that stage of life you know
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we're talking like 2005 2006
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and I'm thinking to myself like wow
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there's amazing golf here
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nobody has a clue
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and I've never met anybody that knows about it
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now these days of course
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because of social media and because of um
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you know let's say a handful of um
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panelists from different um
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um you know
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rating panels Golf Digest
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Golf Magazine Top hundred Golf
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you know like uh
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the the
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the three what I call main
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main players in the in the industry
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you know a lot of those people have seen it now it's
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not a one day trip you gotta come for multiple days and
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um
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you know see some other things
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so that was what I that was like
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you know the
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the the
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the tool or the
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the luck or the asset that I had to share was that
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and the only thing I had to give was time
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and enthusiasm because I love those places and
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you know so I
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I did that and I and I said
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you know you're welcome
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and somebody would come
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and then the next person would call up
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or send me an email or something
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and say hey David
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yeah I'm friends with such and such
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and then you know
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heard that there's some great golf there I
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I really I would love to come see it
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and okay
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and I did and
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and it was you know
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I did that over and over and over again basically
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you know um
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wash rinse and repeat over and over again and
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and by the time you're
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you're far enough along with that
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you know you've got a
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a quite a network of people
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and you're never more than a couple of steps
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away from the next great course
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and
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you know and a lot of them
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as we know a lot of courses are
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are um
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accessible as well so
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you know that's
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you don't even have to be
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and that's the thing you know
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let's say you aren't a member of any
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any course at all it it doesn't it doesn't matter
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but you have some time and you have a
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a good enough job that you can um
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you know
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set some money aside for a couple of weeks of vacation
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a year um
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you know the first place I'd send anybody would
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would be to the UK you know
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G you know
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GBI Great Britain and Ireland and I'd say half of
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you know
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40% of the world top hundred is in these countries
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they're you can play every single one of them
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they're all accessible it's gonna cost you you know
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a perfect um
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a perfect example of how difficult it's become
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or how challenging it is
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even for the accessible places um
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you know we were
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we were on the phone actually
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Joe was on the phone today to book
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tee times at Royal County Down
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and we're talking next year so
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you know the the
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the
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the lines opened at 9 and he was on at 8:30 waiting
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you know basically in like a trying to call in
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and he's like 2 thousand in the line
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you know
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when he calls at the exact minute it opens
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how can that be you know
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how could you be No. 2,000
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that's ridiculous so he's like 2,000
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spends six hours on the phone
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to get a couple of tee times for
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for 2,027
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and the worst part after six hours on the phone
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they they put up a a message in
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the messaging system that says everything from may to
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uh September is booked out now
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so there's none left
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so every available time
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that was for visitors in those periods
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is booked out within the first
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five hours and the guys that are getting in on that
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most likely are like these
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you know the professionals
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the big travel agents and the
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and and people and
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you know we're in that group trying to
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as the professionals trying to get times
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it's incredible right
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I mean I
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I didn't have that uh
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problem with the accessible places
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like
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they were always accessible when I was running around
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chasing
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so now you gotta put in a little bit more planning
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even on the ones that are
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that are available but the point is you
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you can do it and yeah
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it's when I first did it it didn't cost anything
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and now you know
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around at Roll County Down
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and the accessible way is like £500 yeah
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so so that's a big difference as well
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so like you you
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you need to be yeah
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I mean let's
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let's not pretend it's not
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traveling around is expensive
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if you do it on the budget
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you know on a
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in a budgeted way and
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and so
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you know that's
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that's a priority you
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you have to be able to prioritize those things you
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you can better do as much as you can when you're young
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before you get before you have kids and
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you you're married and
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you know you have other responsibilities in life
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or you're doing when you're retired
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the problem with doing that type of stuff for me
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and that's what I always tell everybody is that okay
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so let's say you're 55 and you can early retire
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for example um
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you know
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what's your physical shape like
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because running around the world and chasing
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all these dreams and
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you know playing golf courses
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it's pretty hard work it
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it sounds romantic and it is
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if you're 25 and you are fit and you can do everything
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but if you're the average 55 year old
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you know
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and you've been sitting behind a desk for 30 years
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and not getting enough exercise and
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you know not used to long range flights um
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it's gonna be a lot harder than you think
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just from a physical perspective so
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so yeah you know
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like where where
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where do I stop you can go on and on
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there's great clubs that you can
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you know
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yeah I think you're usually
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you're required to be a member of like a private club
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if you're a member of a private club
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that does help a lot of things
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obviously that that depending on where you're at
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there's different levels of investment required to
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become a member of private club
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if you're in Florida
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it might be 250,000 to half a million right
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yeah um
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if you're in um
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uh
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I don't know if you're in
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Wyoming or or in Montana or in and
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and you know
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uh I
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you know you
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you you name
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you make it as crazy as you want any place
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it's probably less than what it is in Florida right
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um
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realistically but that
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that doesn't mean your club's less
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it just means yeah
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you're in a better you know
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perhaps a
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a place where you have a better opportunity to um
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you know join a great club that
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that offers a
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a great value and a wonderful experience for less
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less money if you're like me
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that was one of the lucky things
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if you're in the Netherlands
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well there's amazing clubs and it's kind of like the UK
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you know it
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it's it's
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arguably it's better value in the UK than the UK
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because I
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maybe some of the stuff in England's very good value um
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but now Ireland and uh
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Scotland
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it's just gone it
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like it's astronomical now
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yeah and it really has
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like the cost of coming to these
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to Scotland or to Ireland is just outrageous
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it's almost becoming
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affordable for the majority of people
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whereas previously
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it was so attractive because anyone could come
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and it was affordable comparatively to golf in America
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your average mini was charging
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or good mini
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would be charging
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the same as going to play the Old Course right
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right yeah
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and you know
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we can thank we
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you know we
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people have had that discussion a million times
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but we can thank American tourists for that
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because people that were yeah
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it's only but it's only reason why people in Scotland
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and England and Ireland are affording to join uh
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be members of the golf clubs as well
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hmm they pay for the green keeping staff essentially
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yeah they pay for the run of the club
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so the majority of clubs that you are member of
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in Britain
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that have now become very hard to become members of
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a very good value one thing I always thought David
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that would be a great help of anyone's would be to
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if you don't have that private club setting
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would be to go and play either your state
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or your country or your
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whatever's hundred top 100 or your list
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00:18:44,833 --> 00:18:46,166
complete that
556
00:18:46,233 --> 00:18:48,700
and when you say you've completed that to people
557
00:18:48,700 --> 00:18:50,866
people's ears will perk up
558
00:18:51,666 --> 00:18:55,433
people hear that and go this guy knows this guy gets it
559
00:18:55,433 --> 00:18:57,300
and people are generous in golf
560
00:18:57,300 --> 00:19:00,233
there's no doubt about that yeah yeah
561
00:19:00,233 --> 00:19:01,066
I mean
562
00:19:01,366 --> 00:19:05,133
but even even that what you're what you're saying
563
00:19:05,133 --> 00:19:06,433
like I I agree with that
564
00:19:06,433 --> 00:19:07,866
I mean if you've played the
565
00:19:08,033 --> 00:19:10,300
if you go play the top hundred courses in California
566
00:19:10,300 --> 00:19:11,033
well good for you
567
00:19:11,033 --> 00:19:14,200
that's amazing because that's incredibly difficult to
568
00:19:14,233 --> 00:19:15,433
to take on a task like that
569
00:19:15,433 --> 00:19:17,066
if you play the top hundred in England
570
00:19:17,666 --> 00:19:18,933
I'm unbelievable right
571
00:19:18,933 --> 00:19:21,133
I mean that's a it's a lot of golf
572
00:19:21,133 --> 00:19:22,766
it's a lot of travel you're gonna meet
573
00:19:22,766 --> 00:19:25,533
a hell of a lot of people doing it um
574
00:19:25,900 --> 00:19:28,000
but yeah that's the kind of um
575
00:19:28,766 --> 00:19:32,466
you know ambition that probably you need to have to
576
00:19:32,866 --> 00:19:35,033
try to take on the world one um
577
00:19:35,233 --> 00:19:38,500
I I didn't the world one comes later yeah
578
00:19:38,500 --> 00:19:39,033
I mean I didn't
579
00:19:39,033 --> 00:19:39,833
you should never
580
00:19:40,333 --> 00:19:41,033
I I
581
00:19:41,033 --> 00:19:41,833
in no way
582
00:19:41,833 --> 00:19:44,333
did I set out to take on top hundred in the world I
583
00:19:44,333 --> 00:19:45,800
I wouldn't have
584
00:19:45,966 --> 00:19:48,100
I thought I had a chance to do that when I
585
00:19:48,100 --> 00:19:49,766
when I was younger I just didn't think about it
586
00:19:49,766 --> 00:19:52,100
you know and like I've told that story a million times
587
00:19:52,100 --> 00:19:54,666
but when I looked at the the first time
588
00:19:54,666 --> 00:19:56,333
when I looked at the list and thought about it
589
00:19:56,333 --> 00:19:57,700
and started counting courses
590
00:19:57,700 --> 00:19:58,433
I was like wow
591
00:19:58,433 --> 00:20:00,100
I played like you know
592
00:20:00,100 --> 00:20:02,500
58 or 60 of these or whatever it was basically
593
00:20:02,500 --> 00:20:04,266
and I'm like heck
594
00:20:04,266 --> 00:20:06,366
I could pretend laughing you know
595
00:20:06,366 --> 00:20:07,666
I could finish that someday
596
00:20:07,666 --> 00:20:09,733
I could actually do this list and
597
00:20:09,833 --> 00:20:12,733
you know then yeah
598
00:20:12,900 --> 00:20:14,733
you enjoy that kind of like
599
00:20:15,133 --> 00:20:16,066
being in that zone
600
00:20:16,066 --> 00:20:17,700
where it doesn't really matter for a while
601
00:20:17,700 --> 00:20:19,933
and until you get a little bit closer
602
00:20:19,933 --> 00:20:21,666
that you could actually finish right
603
00:20:21,666 --> 00:20:22,733
and then it becomes like
604
00:20:22,733 --> 00:20:24,666
this burden that you carry on your shoulders
605
00:20:24,666 --> 00:20:26,233
until it's done I mean
606
00:20:26,233 --> 00:20:27,266
in a fun way I'm
607
00:20:27,266 --> 00:20:29,200
I'm kidding but that that's
608
00:20:29,466 --> 00:20:31,666
you know from an experiential perspective
609
00:20:31,666 --> 00:20:33,733
if I look back on it and I go like that like wow
610
00:20:33,733 --> 00:20:34,833
you know I got 10 more
611
00:20:34,833 --> 00:20:35,966
how am I gonna get these done
612
00:20:35,966 --> 00:20:36,700
these 10 you know
613
00:20:36,700 --> 00:20:37,500
it's like uh
614
00:20:37,833 --> 00:20:39,300
I gotta run all the way around the world
615
00:20:39,300 --> 00:20:40,300
to get these 10 done
616
00:20:40,300 --> 00:20:43,466
and then I gotta figure out how to do something that
617
00:20:43,533 --> 00:20:45,100
it seems impossible right
618
00:20:45,100 --> 00:20:46,800
and get lucky and
619
00:20:47,066 --> 00:20:47,833
you know which in
620
00:20:47,833 --> 00:20:48,966
in my case would have
621
00:20:48,966 --> 00:20:50,900
would have been like in a lot of people's cases
622
00:20:50,900 --> 00:20:53,100
you know it's like something like Augusta or
623
00:20:53,100 --> 00:20:55,966
or Chicago Golf Club or Shankum Bay or
624
00:20:55,966 --> 00:20:58,533
you know whatever the these places Eliston
625
00:20:58,533 --> 00:21:02,466
you know with the almost like urban legends yeah
626
00:21:02,533 --> 00:21:03,933
well very much so well
627
00:21:03,933 --> 00:21:07,166
you see some stuff about Ardfin now and there's a yeah
628
00:21:07,166 --> 00:21:09,166
there's just these places that you just never no
629
00:21:09,166 --> 00:21:11,200
Cyprus is another one yeah
630
00:21:11,333 --> 00:21:13,433
you just very
631
00:21:13,733 --> 00:21:15,966
very small chance you'll ever get a chance
632
00:21:16,666 --> 00:21:17,466
let alone
633
00:21:19,433 --> 00:21:20,833
and that's the other thing though
634
00:21:20,833 --> 00:21:23,200
is it gets it's a journey right
635
00:21:24,700 --> 00:21:26,533
it's not about finishing to me
636
00:21:26,533 --> 00:21:28,366
it's not about finishing that journey
637
00:21:28,366 --> 00:21:29,900
the worst thing that can happen is
638
00:21:29,900 --> 00:21:31,133
you finish the journey
639
00:21:31,166 --> 00:21:34,533
because if you finish the journey a
640
00:21:34,533 --> 00:21:36,300
it's like wow
641
00:21:36,300 --> 00:21:38,066
you know you're always looking back and going
642
00:21:38,066 --> 00:21:40,933
the best part of it was all the chasing around
643
00:21:40,933 --> 00:21:42,966
and all the great people that you met and
644
00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:44,300
you know that's it
645
00:21:44,300 --> 00:21:46,766
that is literally that's the journey
646
00:21:46,766 --> 00:21:48,133
and then people are thinking ah
647
00:21:48,133 --> 00:21:49,900
it's no it's about finishing that last course
648
00:21:49,900 --> 00:21:51,200
but it's not and and
649
00:21:51,466 --> 00:21:53,700
because finishing the last course is like
650
00:21:53,700 --> 00:21:56,333
this massive let down and you've been doing it for
651
00:21:56,333 --> 00:21:58,033
in my case 15 years or
652
00:21:58,033 --> 00:22:00,166
you know like we were with Paolo last summer and
653
00:22:00,166 --> 00:22:01,233
and yeah when he finished
654
00:22:01,233 --> 00:22:02,033
it was just about safe
655
00:22:02,433 --> 00:22:05,666
he said he'd been doing it for like 2020
656
00:22:05,666 --> 00:22:08,166
some 27 years did he say or something like that
657
00:22:08,266 --> 00:22:11,000
Paulo actually was a bizarre moment right
658
00:22:11,066 --> 00:22:12,333
there was a weird yeah
659
00:22:12,333 --> 00:22:14,566
like looking at Paulo he had all family
660
00:22:14,566 --> 00:22:15,733
there was massive Celebration
661
00:22:15,733 --> 00:22:18,233
it was a lovely event but for Paolo
662
00:22:18,233 --> 00:22:20,266
when you looked at him it's almost
663
00:22:20,266 --> 00:22:21,300
it was there was a relief
664
00:22:21,300 --> 00:22:22,733
but there was also like oh
665
00:22:22,733 --> 00:22:24,266
it's over yeah
666
00:22:24,266 --> 00:22:25,066
like it's done
667
00:22:25,566 --> 00:22:27,033
like I'm I'm a bit
668
00:22:27,033 --> 00:22:28,666
he was a wee bit down about the whole thing
669
00:22:28,666 --> 00:22:30,000
if anything because
670
00:22:30,066 --> 00:22:32,566
that journey that he was finding so much joy from
671
00:22:32,566 --> 00:22:33,900
was over yeah
672
00:22:33,900 --> 00:22:35,833
it's like this emotional I mean
673
00:22:35,833 --> 00:22:38,633
it's like you hear it with all kinds of things
674
00:22:38,633 --> 00:22:39,700
you know when you have this like
675
00:22:39,700 --> 00:22:41,100
bucket list thing that you're doing
676
00:22:41,100 --> 00:22:42,466
like when you finish your bucket list
677
00:22:42,466 --> 00:22:44,533
what does that mean it's time to die haha
678
00:22:44,533 --> 00:22:46,066
yeah it's like
679
00:22:46,100 --> 00:22:46,933
don't don't
680
00:22:46,933 --> 00:22:47,766
if you create a bucket list
681
00:22:47,766 --> 00:22:49,866
don't ever have it it shouldn't be finishable
682
00:22:49,866 --> 00:22:50,500
so you know
683
00:22:50,500 --> 00:22:52,433
the maybe that adds to
684
00:22:52,433 --> 00:22:55,266
to the longevity of life if your bucket list goes past
685
00:22:55,266 --> 00:22:55,766
you know like oh
686
00:22:55,766 --> 00:22:58,433
my bucket list I wanna be 150
687
00:22:58,566 --> 00:22:59,833
you know whatever on that you
688
00:22:59,833 --> 00:23:01,033
know put something like that on the list
689
00:23:01,033 --> 00:23:02,400
so you make sure that it uh
690
00:23:02,700 --> 00:23:05,833
it it continues on perpetually well
691
00:23:05,833 --> 00:23:08,133
most those people that have done this are gone
692
00:23:08,133 --> 00:23:09,466
and look to other ones
693
00:23:09,633 --> 00:23:11,833
they've gone to try do another list or something else
694
00:23:11,833 --> 00:23:12,533
or you know
695
00:23:12,533 --> 00:23:14,500
they're constantly looking at more lists
696
00:23:14,500 --> 00:23:18,566
whether it's a UK or the Asia or wherever
697
00:23:18,566 --> 00:23:20,466
or this a different year of list
698
00:23:20,866 --> 00:23:22,766
and I've always there was a
699
00:23:22,833 --> 00:23:24,466
there's a great saying in wine
700
00:23:24,833 --> 00:23:26,533
that when you build your wine cellar
701
00:23:26,566 --> 00:23:28,133
you want your last bottle of your
702
00:23:28,133 --> 00:23:31,100
in your wine cellar to be on your deathbed yeah
703
00:23:31,100 --> 00:23:33,866
exactly do you know it's the same kind of concept
704
00:23:33,900 --> 00:23:36,033
I mean look under the um
705
00:23:36,033 --> 00:23:38,233
under the the Muse of um
706
00:23:38,866 --> 00:23:40,266
of you know
707
00:23:41,566 --> 00:23:42,633
promoting our own thing
708
00:23:42,633 --> 00:23:45,366
which we do once in a while as well look
709
00:23:45,633 --> 00:23:46,100
you know
710
00:23:46,100 --> 00:23:48,866
if you're if you're a member of a nice club and
711
00:23:48,866 --> 00:23:49,533
and you're
712
00:23:49,533 --> 00:23:52,266
you're interested in let's let's not even say the list
713
00:23:52,266 --> 00:23:54,466
let's say having like the greatest experiences in golf
714
00:23:54,466 --> 00:23:57,166
because I think that is essentially that's a much
715
00:23:57,666 --> 00:24:00,966
that's a a much more fun longer um
716
00:24:01,033 --> 00:24:02,600
has longer longevity
717
00:24:03,166 --> 00:24:04,933
um or more longevity or whatever
718
00:24:04,933 --> 00:24:05,500
you know sorry
719
00:24:05,500 --> 00:24:07,166
I'm mixing up the words there
720
00:24:07,166 --> 00:24:10,833
but so that be just starting and
721
00:24:10,833 --> 00:24:13,666
and really delving into that journey
722
00:24:13,666 --> 00:24:15,033
and sharing that with people
723
00:24:15,033 --> 00:24:17,966
so that's one of the things that honestly I'd say I
724
00:24:17,966 --> 00:24:21,933
I miss sometimes during it because you know again
725
00:24:21,933 --> 00:24:24,300
I'm here I'm here in this country
726
00:24:24,300 --> 00:24:25,733
I'm alone I had a lot of golf friends
727
00:24:25,733 --> 00:24:28,466
but it was always traveling someplace to meet somebody
728
00:24:28,633 --> 00:24:31,066
and it wasn't a group you know
729
00:24:31,066 --> 00:24:32,733
doing things with a group ever
730
00:24:32,733 --> 00:24:35,866
and I love absolutely love that and love sharing it
731
00:24:35,900 --> 00:24:39,266
you know so something like Lockhart it well
732
00:24:39,266 --> 00:24:40,633
not something like Lockhart
733
00:24:40,633 --> 00:24:42,700
Lockhart specifically Lockhart Travel Club
734
00:24:42,700 --> 00:24:43,500
our our club
735
00:24:43,500 --> 00:24:45,600
what we're doing is
736
00:24:46,266 --> 00:24:47,466
I mean that you know
737
00:24:47,466 --> 00:24:49,200
we did 34 of the World Cup hundred
738
00:24:49,433 --> 00:24:50,733
we had opportunities for members to play
739
00:24:50,733 --> 00:24:52,533
34 of the World Cup hundred last year right
740
00:24:52,533 --> 00:24:54,266
and you know
741
00:24:54,266 --> 00:24:55,333
I didn't have anything like that
742
00:24:55,333 --> 00:24:57,366
I I would have killed or died for that
743
00:24:57,366 --> 00:24:58,966
and and that is incredible
744
00:24:58,966 --> 00:25:00,233
the people are incredible
745
00:25:00,266 --> 00:25:03,433
it's every single trip is just amazing right
746
00:25:03,433 --> 00:25:04,900
it's a party you're you're with if
747
00:25:04,900 --> 00:25:07,233
if that's your thing and you're
748
00:25:07,366 --> 00:25:07,633
you know
749
00:25:07,633 --> 00:25:09,666
you're with like minded people from all over the world
750
00:25:09,666 --> 00:25:11,433
now 25 nationalities you know
751
00:25:11,433 --> 00:25:13,166
I'm sorry I can't do a better
752
00:25:13,500 --> 00:25:15,900
advertisement for any opportunity than that
753
00:25:15,900 --> 00:25:17,100
and you know
754
00:25:17,100 --> 00:25:21,200
threshold to get in is a lot lower than joining uh
755
00:25:21,366 --> 00:25:23,233
you know joining Cyprus or Augusto or
756
00:25:23,233 --> 00:25:26,033
or Prime Valley or or whatever um
757
00:25:26,566 --> 00:25:27,366
yeah you know
758
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,066
it it just is so it's great fun as well
759
00:25:31,066 --> 00:25:32,866
and do you know what it's really cool about it
760
00:25:32,866 --> 00:25:35,600
is there's an appreciation for um
761
00:25:36,533 --> 00:25:40,366
for people from all sections of the world
762
00:25:40,366 --> 00:25:41,433
globe and ways of
763
00:25:41,433 --> 00:25:44,700
life and it's just a really honest and open group
764
00:25:44,700 --> 00:25:46,366
it's really quite cool I
765
00:25:46,366 --> 00:25:49,533
I was shocked about the variety of member
766
00:25:49,533 --> 00:25:51,866
while also finding them so interesting
767
00:25:51,866 --> 00:25:54,666
and polite and friendly and I did it
768
00:25:54,666 --> 00:25:56,633
yeah the membership base is really cool
769
00:25:56,766 --> 00:25:57,433
yeah I
770
00:25:57,433 --> 00:26:00,933
I absolutely 100% I I totally agree with that
771
00:26:00,933 --> 00:26:03,966
just quickly while we're still on uh
772
00:26:04,033 --> 00:26:08,466
the thoughts on the top 100 list
773
00:26:08,466 --> 00:26:11,366
I just wanna talk about uh
774
00:26:11,433 --> 00:26:12,566
the changes
775
00:26:12,966 --> 00:26:16,133
that you've seen in the trends in Top 100 lists
776
00:26:16,233 --> 00:26:21,133
across the board since you first started to now
777
00:26:21,300 --> 00:26:25,566
what has been trending up and trending down
778
00:26:26,500 --> 00:26:29,066
and which golf courses have been hurt by that
779
00:26:29,066 --> 00:26:31,233
which golf courses have succeeded from that
780
00:26:32,533 --> 00:26:33,400
um
781
00:26:35,033 --> 00:26:40,400
the the the trend is probably um towards
782
00:26:42,100 --> 00:26:45,900
Instagram and Facebook
783
00:26:45,900 --> 00:26:48,600
and courses that are beautiful on um
784
00:26:49,366 --> 00:26:54,766
you know visual spectacles that are um
785
00:26:55,566 --> 00:26:58,966
seaside properties sand based um
786
00:26:59,566 --> 00:27:00,500
sand based ground
787
00:27:00,500 --> 00:27:02,566
you know firm and fast playing surfaces
788
00:27:02,933 --> 00:27:06,900
um that's been very much back into you know
789
00:27:06,900 --> 00:27:09,466
back very much back into um
790
00:27:10,266 --> 00:27:12,733
it's it's become vogue again minimalism
791
00:27:12,733 --> 00:27:13,500
you know and
792
00:27:13,500 --> 00:27:15,733
and I'm talking over the course of many years obviously
793
00:27:15,733 --> 00:27:16,766
right you know
794
00:27:16,766 --> 00:27:19,500
it started with like um Sandhills and Bandon
795
00:27:19,500 --> 00:27:19,966
and
796
00:27:19,966 --> 00:27:22,233
Bandon Dunes and Pacific Dunes and all those things
797
00:27:22,233 --> 00:27:25,700
kind of relaunched that that second renaissance of
798
00:27:25,700 --> 00:27:27,866
of golf in the second golden age if
799
00:27:27,866 --> 00:27:29,366
if you will with all these
800
00:27:29,533 --> 00:27:31,233
you know a lot of great courses have been built in the
801
00:27:31,233 --> 00:27:31,966
last 20 years
802
00:27:31,966 --> 00:27:35,433
and I think we went through a big period where um
803
00:27:36,500 --> 00:27:37,166
you know
804
00:27:37,166 --> 00:27:39,566
you can argue yes or no if great courses were built
805
00:27:39,566 --> 00:27:40,266
they were just different
806
00:27:40,266 --> 00:27:45,066
they were they were emphasizing um you know uh
807
00:27:45,266 --> 00:27:47,533
challenging difficult golf with penal uh
808
00:27:47,533 --> 00:27:49,966
playing conditions and narrow uh
809
00:27:49,966 --> 00:27:52,733
tree line fairways very lush and um
810
00:27:53,066 --> 00:27:54,466
lush and green target golf right
811
00:27:54,466 --> 00:27:56,766
at least if I pick on the US you know
812
00:27:56,766 --> 00:28:00,533
UK has been pretty consistent I guess over the last um
813
00:28:01,233 --> 00:28:04,166
I don't know since what 17 or something like that
814
00:28:05,300 --> 00:28:06,433
when did they when sorry
815
00:28:06,433 --> 00:28:07,366
when off the top of my head
816
00:28:07,366 --> 00:28:10,500
I don't know when the Old Course started 16 or whatever
817
00:28:10,500 --> 00:28:11,900
you know like I would disagree
818
00:28:11,900 --> 00:28:13,333
I would disagree I think um
819
00:28:14,133 --> 00:28:18,333
there has been a number of golf courses within the UK
820
00:28:18,733 --> 00:28:20,766
that have leaned towards the
821
00:28:20,766 --> 00:28:21,133
that
822
00:28:21,133 --> 00:28:23,133
they've watched the stuff in America and been like
823
00:28:23,133 --> 00:28:24,966
oh I like greenness yeah
824
00:28:24,966 --> 00:28:27,266
so a lot of the courses in the UK
825
00:28:27,266 --> 00:28:28,300
that have lost their way
826
00:28:28,300 --> 00:28:30,800
kind of had lost their way points
827
00:28:31,133 --> 00:28:32,933
yeah we're now going back to the firm fast
828
00:28:32,933 --> 00:28:36,033
whereas places like in Australia never lost that yeah
829
00:28:36,066 --> 00:28:36,866
yeah okay
830
00:28:37,066 --> 00:28:38,566
that's fair I mean
831
00:28:38,566 --> 00:28:38,733
I I
832
00:28:38,733 --> 00:28:40,566
I tend to I mean
833
00:28:40,566 --> 00:28:42,333
we've talked about this and laughed about it before
834
00:28:42,333 --> 00:28:46,400
but I tend to believe that nobody does lush green
835
00:28:46,966 --> 00:28:49,566
um over exaggerated
836
00:28:49,566 --> 00:28:52,266
way too much money put into a golf course uh
837
00:28:52,266 --> 00:28:55,366
conditions as the US we we own that yeah
838
00:28:55,366 --> 00:28:56,266
I know but they
839
00:28:56,466 --> 00:28:58,300
they own it to the point where you have to have
840
00:28:58,300 --> 00:29:02,066
50 million green keepers and then you can play it
841
00:29:03,233 --> 00:29:05,033
and it's beautiful golf it's very cool
842
00:29:05,033 --> 00:29:06,400
it's an experience
843
00:29:06,700 --> 00:29:09,933
if you're used to using your putter from 100 yards out
844
00:29:09,933 --> 00:29:12,133
you're not gonna be able to do that anymore no
845
00:29:12,133 --> 00:29:13,533
that's not happening too much in fact
846
00:29:13,533 --> 00:29:16,966
if you're anywhere beyond the actual green surface
847
00:29:16,966 --> 00:29:19,866
you probably wouldn't use your putter too often yeah
848
00:29:19,866 --> 00:29:20,533
well it's
849
00:29:20,533 --> 00:29:22,600
it's an interesting one because it's
850
00:29:22,833 --> 00:29:25,100
I think there's uh yeah
851
00:29:25,100 --> 00:29:28,033
links golf is loved and the firm and yes
852
00:29:28,033 --> 00:29:29,966
because strategic golf you have more shot options
853
00:29:29,966 --> 00:29:32,033
you have a variety of uh thought
854
00:29:32,033 --> 00:29:33,933
processing that you have to go through to be able to
855
00:29:33,933 --> 00:29:34,900
then choose the right shot
856
00:29:34,900 --> 00:29:36,066
it means you have um
857
00:29:36,666 --> 00:29:39,066
it's better for the high player than the low player
858
00:29:39,066 --> 00:29:39,966
sorry the low player
859
00:29:39,966 --> 00:29:41,366
better for the high player than the low player
860
00:29:41,366 --> 00:29:44,166
cause the low player then has to choose
861
00:29:44,166 --> 00:29:45,800
there's lots of good reasons right
862
00:29:46,166 --> 00:29:50,633
but I do think it doesn't help that in America
863
00:29:51,166 --> 00:29:51,966
you have this
864
00:29:51,966 --> 00:29:57,400
so many great versions of Parkland golf that uh
865
00:29:57,766 --> 00:29:59,333
and no links golf
866
00:30:00,133 --> 00:30:01,033
and when you have
867
00:30:01,033 --> 00:30:03,766
a lot of these lists are decided by Americans
868
00:30:05,466 --> 00:30:07,800
when you when you try the special thing
869
00:30:08,100 --> 00:30:09,833
that you get to taste every so often
870
00:30:09,833 --> 00:30:11,633
it tastes so much better than when you get to eat it
871
00:30:11,633 --> 00:30:13,033
every day can't argue with
872
00:30:13,033 --> 00:30:15,633
that James that's I agree with that 100%
873
00:30:15,633 --> 00:30:17,566
so if it was if it was the other way around
874
00:30:17,566 --> 00:30:18,366
would
875
00:30:18,966 --> 00:30:21,466
would it be that Parkland
876
00:30:21,466 --> 00:30:24,333
golf was the one that everyone was talking about
877
00:30:24,333 --> 00:30:26,233
because everyone's used to the ground game
878
00:30:26,733 --> 00:30:27,633
you know I don't know
879
00:30:27,633 --> 00:30:30,466
it's a it's a it's a thought it's not the right one
880
00:30:30,466 --> 00:30:32,766
but it's well it's a discussion why is um
881
00:30:32,766 --> 00:30:33,433
I mean there
882
00:30:33,433 --> 00:30:37,066
we could like without picking on particular courses
883
00:30:37,066 --> 00:30:40,400
right if I if we look at a dare manner um
884
00:30:40,733 --> 00:30:41,566
you know
885
00:30:42,266 --> 00:30:44,100
that's a solid golf course um
886
00:30:44,100 --> 00:30:45,633
I've heard many people say
887
00:30:45,833 --> 00:30:47,900
you know Irish people saying oh
888
00:30:47,900 --> 00:30:48,700
it's one of the best course
889
00:30:48,700 --> 00:30:49,700
it's the best course in Ireland
890
00:30:49,700 --> 00:30:51,600
or one of the best courses in Ireland well
891
00:30:52,300 --> 00:30:54,933
okay I mean from from the view of uh
892
00:30:55,566 --> 00:30:58,133
you know somebody's played a lot of Parkland golf to me
893
00:30:58,233 --> 00:31:00,366
I like links golf I'm a links guy
894
00:31:00,366 --> 00:31:02,033
you know like a member of the links course
895
00:31:02,033 --> 00:31:04,033
I like links golf better um
896
00:31:04,033 --> 00:31:05,866
so if you told me that was the best course in Ireland
897
00:31:05,866 --> 00:31:07,266
I'd obviously argue that I said
898
00:31:07,266 --> 00:31:10,866
I'd say it's a great course and a spectacular setting
899
00:31:10,866 --> 00:31:13,133
you know with the with
900
00:31:13,500 --> 00:31:15,933
you know with the manner there and everything and but
901
00:31:16,566 --> 00:31:18,733
but is it the one of the best course in Ireland
902
00:31:18,733 --> 00:31:19,566
to me it's not
903
00:31:19,566 --> 00:31:21,766
because I like links golf
904
00:31:21,766 --> 00:31:23,700
and links golf would have a priority so
905
00:31:23,700 --> 00:31:24,566
you know I'm gonna put a lot
906
00:31:24,566 --> 00:31:26,400
of links golf courses ahead of uh
907
00:31:26,900 --> 00:31:27,766
of of
908
00:31:27,766 --> 00:31:29,233
of course designed by Fazio
909
00:31:29,233 --> 00:31:30,266
and I you know
910
00:31:30,266 --> 00:31:31,900
I'm a fan of I'm a fan of Fazio as well as
911
00:31:31,900 --> 00:31:32,866
you know but um
912
00:31:33,066 --> 00:31:34,433
but still you know
913
00:31:34,433 --> 00:31:35,733
put that course in the
914
00:31:35,900 --> 00:31:38,000
in the middle of Ireland with the
915
00:31:38,533 --> 00:31:41,066
you know your lehinches and water bills and
916
00:31:41,333 --> 00:31:45,100
and ballybunnions and portmarnocks and everything there
917
00:31:45,100 --> 00:31:46,066
and I'm like hmm
918
00:31:46,066 --> 00:31:47,933
no that's not yeah
919
00:31:47,933 --> 00:31:52,033
but that's because they don't play outside of Ireland
920
00:31:52,033 --> 00:31:54,733
uh men might you play some stuff in the UK
921
00:31:54,733 --> 00:31:55,666
but it's because
922
00:31:55,666 --> 00:31:57,433
the majority of their golf played on links land
923
00:31:57,433 --> 00:31:58,366
so the one point
924
00:31:58,366 --> 00:32:01,333
that they get to be able to do that style of golf
925
00:32:01,366 --> 00:32:04,166
at that standard which is very rare in
926
00:32:04,500 --> 00:32:06,300
of the greenkeeping yeah
927
00:32:06,300 --> 00:32:08,033
it's very rare in the UK
928
00:32:08,033 --> 00:32:09,666
I don't think people realize how
929
00:32:10,033 --> 00:32:11,566
pristine the stuff in America is
930
00:32:11,566 --> 00:32:14,100
comparatively to the UK stuff yeah
931
00:32:14,100 --> 00:32:15,033
a lot of I mean
932
00:32:15,033 --> 00:32:15,866
well I mean
933
00:32:15,866 --> 00:32:17,266
it's for obvious reasons right
934
00:32:17,266 --> 00:32:17,533
because
935
00:32:17,533 --> 00:32:19,966
it's expensive to maintain a golf course like that
936
00:32:20,966 --> 00:32:22,900
and that takes a lot of green keepers
937
00:32:22,900 --> 00:32:24,366
it takes a lot of resources
938
00:32:24,366 --> 00:32:26,933
and in order somebody's got to pay those bills right
939
00:32:26,933 --> 00:32:28,400
so it's like um
940
00:32:28,733 --> 00:32:31,133
members members have to
941
00:32:31,266 --> 00:32:32,366
have to foot the Bill for that
942
00:32:32,366 --> 00:32:35,266
so that means that your your membership dues
943
00:32:35,266 --> 00:32:36,933
your annual dues your joining fees
944
00:32:36,933 --> 00:32:38,733
everything's got to be you know
945
00:32:38,833 --> 00:32:42,533
like multiples higher than what it would be in
946
00:32:42,533 --> 00:32:43,700
in Great Britain and Ireland
947
00:32:43,700 --> 00:32:45,333
so if you have a you know
948
00:32:45,333 --> 00:32:46,633
if you're if you're borrowing
949
00:32:46,633 --> 00:32:50,466
you have a few sheep and some cows maintaining doing
950
00:32:51,633 --> 00:32:52,333
you know whatever
951
00:32:52,333 --> 00:32:53,333
keeping the grasses short
952
00:32:53,333 --> 00:32:54,266
I won't I won't
953
00:32:54,300 --> 00:32:55,466
you know I was joking
954
00:32:55,466 --> 00:32:57,233
but I won't say that they're
955
00:32:57,333 --> 00:32:58,866
you know doing all the maintenance work or whatever
956
00:32:58,866 --> 00:33:00,633
that wouldn't be fair to the greenkeeping staff
957
00:33:00,633 --> 00:33:01,366
but um
958
00:33:01,366 --> 00:33:03,933
but it allows the greenkeeping staff to be
959
00:33:03,933 --> 00:33:07,433
you know a small handful as opposed to an army of guys
960
00:33:07,433 --> 00:33:07,900
basically
961
00:33:07,900 --> 00:33:10,500
this podcast is brought to you by Echo Shoes
962
00:33:10,500 --> 00:33:13,233
particularly their new Biom C5 David
963
00:33:13,233 --> 00:33:15,666
I know you have a wee bit of a fondness for an Echo
964
00:33:15,666 --> 00:33:16,366
yeah no
965
00:33:16,366 --> 00:33:16,833
no doubt
966
00:33:16,833 --> 00:33:19,333
I am literally a walking advertisement for Echo
967
00:33:19,333 --> 00:33:20,366
and I I have been
968
00:33:20,366 --> 00:33:22,466
it's really funny so it's ironic
969
00:33:22,900 --> 00:33:25,233
it's wonderful for me that um
970
00:33:25,233 --> 00:33:26,966
you know Echo's uh
971
00:33:27,700 --> 00:33:29,266
become a great supporter of Top Hundred
972
00:33:29,266 --> 00:33:31,433
and we have this partnership going
973
00:33:31,433 --> 00:33:33,633
and I would say that um
974
00:33:34,766 --> 00:33:36,633
yeah without beyond a shadow of a doubt
975
00:33:36,633 --> 00:33:37,466
as everybody knows
976
00:33:37,466 --> 00:33:39,433
I've said this probably a million times
977
00:33:39,433 --> 00:33:41,466
even before that um
978
00:33:41,833 --> 00:33:43,566
I I can honestly say
979
00:33:43,566 --> 00:33:45,966
I played the world top hundred in my echoes
980
00:33:45,966 --> 00:33:48,233
so hahaha and
981
00:33:48,233 --> 00:33:48,733
and you know
982
00:33:48,733 --> 00:33:50,600
like I had um
983
00:33:50,666 --> 00:33:52,666
and there and there was a really the
984
00:33:52,700 --> 00:33:55,166
my reason I had a really good reason for it
985
00:33:55,166 --> 00:33:57,433
so I had some um
986
00:33:57,466 --> 00:33:58,833
I had some foot issues
987
00:33:58,833 --> 00:34:00,866
when I first started playing a lot of golf and
988
00:34:00,866 --> 00:34:03,466
walking a lot and like I had a tennis background
989
00:34:03,466 --> 00:34:05,300
I spent years running around and you know
990
00:34:05,300 --> 00:34:07,533
diving around tennis court and stuff like that for
991
00:34:07,533 --> 00:34:08,933
for a really long time
992
00:34:08,933 --> 00:34:11,333
and that takes a toll because it was hard courts
993
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,033
and so hard courts there's a lot of
994
00:34:13,033 --> 00:34:16,133
you know things going on with your feet and um
995
00:34:16,133 --> 00:34:19,266
and as I when I started to get a little bit older
996
00:34:19,533 --> 00:34:20,866
not even old you know
997
00:34:20,866 --> 00:34:24,233
like in in my 30s I had you know
998
00:34:24,233 --> 00:34:25,500
my feet were bothering me
999
00:34:25,500 --> 00:34:28,033
when I had to do long walks and stuff like that
1000
00:34:28,033 --> 00:34:29,766
and it was often the shoes
1001
00:34:29,833 --> 00:34:31,266
and so I was searching searching
1002
00:34:31,266 --> 00:34:33,266
searching for when I started playing golf
1003
00:34:33,266 --> 00:34:34,766
and it was all walking golf
1004
00:34:34,966 --> 00:34:36,566
you know and you can let's face it
1005
00:34:36,566 --> 00:34:38,633
you can walk quite a bit in around the golf
1006
00:34:38,633 --> 00:34:40,633
you know you could what I mean what is it James
1007
00:34:40,633 --> 00:34:43,133
is it um is it three miles five miles
1008
00:34:43,133 --> 00:34:46,033
I mean four and a half miles is the standard golf round
1009
00:34:46,166 --> 00:34:47,533
so four and a half miles right
1010
00:34:47,533 --> 00:34:50,266
so four and a half miles of walking when your feet hurt
1011
00:34:50,566 --> 00:34:52,300
it's the worst thing ever
1012
00:34:52,300 --> 00:34:56,233
and like I had so many rounds where I would get done
1013
00:34:56,233 --> 00:34:57,166
and you know
1014
00:34:57,300 --> 00:34:59,933
when I first started playing golf and I just
1015
00:34:59,933 --> 00:35:00,866
I couldn't take it like
1016
00:35:00,866 --> 00:35:01,833
I had to get the shoes off
1017
00:35:01,833 --> 00:35:04,933
and my feet were just throbbing and
1018
00:35:04,966 --> 00:35:07,100
you know I ran into Echo
1019
00:35:07,100 --> 00:35:11,033
probably in you know 2007
1020
00:35:11,033 --> 00:35:12,466
2008 2009
1021
00:35:12,466 --> 00:35:13,433
whatever the year was
1022
00:35:13,433 --> 00:35:16,133
it was before I started my journey really for the for
1023
00:35:16,133 --> 00:35:19,300
for playing the world top hundred and it
1024
00:35:19,300 --> 00:35:21,533
it the the shoe at the time
1025
00:35:21,666 --> 00:35:23,166
so I started I
1026
00:35:23,166 --> 00:35:25,566
I actually wore a lot of Nikes when I first started
1027
00:35:25,566 --> 00:35:27,066
cause I I had a couple of buddies
1028
00:35:27,066 --> 00:35:29,633
working for the Nike headquarters here in Hilverseum
1029
00:35:29,666 --> 00:35:31,833
and they were literally I mean
1030
00:35:31,933 --> 00:35:32,966
you know not to take away from Nike
1031
00:35:32,966 --> 00:35:34,066
they were giving me the shoes
1032
00:35:34,066 --> 00:35:35,300
because they were working there
1033
00:35:35,300 --> 00:35:38,066
they had them in abundance in the early days like they
1034
00:35:38,333 --> 00:35:39,100
you know they had those shoes
1035
00:35:39,100 --> 00:35:40,866
and a couple of the guys were Nike golfing
1036
00:35:40,866 --> 00:35:41,666
so I was lucky
1037
00:35:41,666 --> 00:35:43,833
I knew the guys in the space and they were just like
1038
00:35:43,833 --> 00:35:44,766
yeah you want another pair
1039
00:35:44,766 --> 00:35:46,133
we got another one these were testers
1040
00:35:46,133 --> 00:35:48,233
you know take these or whatever and
1041
00:35:48,233 --> 00:35:50,166
and so I was lucky that I had a shoe size
1042
00:35:50,166 --> 00:35:52,133
that they had a lot of testers in basically
1043
00:35:52,133 --> 00:35:54,033
so I got a lot of free shoes and
1044
00:35:54,033 --> 00:35:56,033
but the shoes were hurting my feet actually
1045
00:35:56,166 --> 00:35:57,233
so um and it's funny
1046
00:35:57,233 --> 00:35:58,266
just the golf ones were
1047
00:35:58,266 --> 00:35:59,433
and I don't know if that's because of the way
1048
00:35:59,433 --> 00:36:01,033
the cleats on the bottom were
1049
00:36:01,033 --> 00:36:02,766
you know the spikes were or or whatever
1050
00:36:02,766 --> 00:36:07,133
but they were killing my feet on hard surfaces
1051
00:36:07,433 --> 00:36:11,666
and so I at one point I ran into the echoes
1052
00:36:11,666 --> 00:36:12,500
which just seemed to have
1053
00:36:12,500 --> 00:36:14,666
a really good fit for me for my
1054
00:36:14,766 --> 00:36:18,600
for my foot and even better um
1055
00:36:19,300 --> 00:36:20,833
I was having you know
1056
00:36:20,833 --> 00:36:24,566
I could walk without the pain of that that I
1057
00:36:24,566 --> 00:36:27,766
that I had and these are even pre the insol days and
1058
00:36:27,766 --> 00:36:29,366
and later I I started
1059
00:36:29,366 --> 00:36:29,566
you know
1060
00:36:29,566 --> 00:36:32,133
their shoes got better and better really fast actually
1061
00:36:32,133 --> 00:36:35,533
so and then I think it was roughly 2,010 or something
1062
00:36:35,533 --> 00:36:36,733
they they came out my
1063
00:36:36,733 --> 00:36:38,300
maybe it was 11 or maybe it was 9
1064
00:36:38,300 --> 00:36:39,666
I don't know the exact year it was
1065
00:36:39,666 --> 00:36:40,833
but they they came out with like
1066
00:36:40,833 --> 00:36:43,433
these Freddy couples casual shoes
1067
00:36:43,966 --> 00:36:46,433
and I mean literally for
1068
00:36:46,433 --> 00:36:48,233
for me it's like it was almost the
1069
00:36:48,233 --> 00:36:50,733
it was the game changer because a
1070
00:36:50,733 --> 00:36:52,566
I started wearing them everywhere
1071
00:36:52,566 --> 00:36:54,333
so I was like I was pretty
1072
00:36:54,333 --> 00:36:55,666
you know I wasn't an old guy
1073
00:36:55,666 --> 00:36:57,166
but I was that guy who was
1074
00:36:57,166 --> 00:36:59,566
you know wearing those in my free time all the time
1075
00:36:59,566 --> 00:37:01,166
I was wearing them free time
1076
00:37:01,166 --> 00:37:02,566
the golf course to free time
1077
00:37:02,566 --> 00:37:04,233
and I had like five pairs of them
1078
00:37:04,233 --> 00:37:07,333
and I've always ever ever since that time
1079
00:37:07,433 --> 00:37:10,700
you know I've been the guy who's got 10 pairs of echoes
1080
00:37:10,700 --> 00:37:11,633
basically you know
1081
00:37:11,633 --> 00:37:12,466
these golf shoes
1082
00:37:12,466 --> 00:37:15,033
and I'm wearing them literally all the time
1083
00:37:15,033 --> 00:37:16,633
unless I'm in like a dress shoe or something
1084
00:37:16,633 --> 00:37:17,866
and funny enough
1085
00:37:17,866 --> 00:37:19,833
I even have a couple of pairs of Echo dress shoes
1086
00:37:19,833 --> 00:37:21,466
just because their shoe
1087
00:37:21,466 --> 00:37:23,933
for whatever reason is a perfect fit for me
1088
00:37:23,933 --> 00:37:25,333
and and they got better and better
1089
00:37:25,333 --> 00:37:27,666
so now I hear like tons of people uh
1090
00:37:27,666 --> 00:37:28,733
you know I hear
1091
00:37:28,733 --> 00:37:31,100
and run into tons of people that are wearing them
1092
00:37:31,100 --> 00:37:32,633
they got a lot better looking
1093
00:37:32,633 --> 00:37:34,033
I mean the casual ones that
1094
00:37:34,033 --> 00:37:35,033
that they came out with
1095
00:37:35,033 --> 00:37:38,300
with couples were really good looking shoe and and
1096
00:37:38,300 --> 00:37:40,733
and they still make them in that style even
1097
00:37:40,733 --> 00:37:43,166
you know it was that good a looking shoe that it's it's
1098
00:37:43,166 --> 00:37:44,633
you know we're 15
1099
00:37:44,633 --> 00:37:46,833
16 years later and and they're
1100
00:37:46,866 --> 00:37:48,266
they're still really popular
1101
00:37:48,333 --> 00:37:49,866
but they're super comfortable and that
1102
00:37:49,866 --> 00:37:51,833
that's even better but then they came out with the
1103
00:37:52,233 --> 00:37:52,833
you know the
1104
00:37:52,833 --> 00:37:54,100
the like Gore Tex shoes
1105
00:37:54,100 --> 00:37:56,533
and those have been wonderful for me
1106
00:37:56,533 --> 00:37:57,300
I live in the Netherlands
1107
00:37:57,300 --> 00:37:59,233
it rains all the time you wanna play
1108
00:37:59,233 --> 00:38:00,433
if you wanna play golf
1109
00:38:00,666 --> 00:38:03,900
and you wanna play golf in the sun with no rain
1110
00:38:03,900 --> 00:38:05,300
you don't play golf in this country
1111
00:38:05,300 --> 00:38:06,533
you need to go someplace else
1112
00:38:06,533 --> 00:38:07,833
maybe like Scotland to play golf
1113
00:38:07,833 --> 00:38:09,933
because there's a lot more sun than
1114
00:38:09,933 --> 00:38:11,433
I think we have here so
1115
00:38:11,733 --> 00:38:13,100
and they came out with the
1116
00:38:13,100 --> 00:38:13,766
with all the the
1117
00:38:13,766 --> 00:38:15,100
the Gore Tex you know
1118
00:38:15,100 --> 00:38:16,666
the beyond shoes with Gore Tex
1119
00:38:16,666 --> 00:38:18,700
and I like the ones with the
1120
00:38:18,700 --> 00:38:19,800
with the um
1121
00:38:20,066 --> 00:38:21,100
I forget it I'm sorry
1122
00:38:21,100 --> 00:38:23,133
I should know the name of the twisting
1123
00:38:23,166 --> 00:38:24,833
I know what you mean the weird shoe
1124
00:38:24,933 --> 00:38:28,066
the the shoelaces that are just twisting exactly
1125
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:29,633
and I love that shoe and so
1126
00:38:29,633 --> 00:38:32,333
I've been I've been wearing those shoes for
1127
00:38:32,333 --> 00:38:33,133
you know
1128
00:38:33,566 --> 00:38:34,933
Boa that's what it's called Boa
1129
00:38:34,933 --> 00:38:35,866
so um
1130
00:38:36,466 --> 00:38:39,733
those those boa shoes I've been wearing for
1131
00:38:39,733 --> 00:38:40,766
since I came out with them
1132
00:38:40,766 --> 00:38:42,133
you know I had my first one on
1133
00:38:42,133 --> 00:38:43,066
I was just like okay
1134
00:38:43,066 --> 00:38:44,700
I'm the guy who also is
1135
00:38:44,700 --> 00:38:46,900
lazy enough that I prefer not to lace the shoes
1136
00:38:46,900 --> 00:38:47,866
if I have to
1137
00:38:47,900 --> 00:38:50,933
and they did a really good job of making it not
1138
00:38:50,933 --> 00:38:51,833
not so ugly
1139
00:38:51,833 --> 00:38:54,066
like some of the other shoes that were lace less shoes
1140
00:38:54,133 --> 00:38:54,733
so you know
1141
00:38:54,733 --> 00:38:55,300
it just oh
1142
00:38:55,300 --> 00:38:56,300
it has that little knob on it
1143
00:38:56,300 --> 00:38:57,500
the knob has a little profile
1144
00:38:57,500 --> 00:38:58,800
I thought it was cool looking
1145
00:38:58,933 --> 00:39:00,100
you know and and
1146
00:39:00,100 --> 00:39:02,133
and good enough it fits that to my
1147
00:39:02,533 --> 00:39:05,366
you know fit my style well enough and
1148
00:39:05,833 --> 00:39:06,833
and then I'm like okay
1149
00:39:06,833 --> 00:39:08,700
I I want these in all and
1150
00:39:08,700 --> 00:39:10,266
you know all the colors basically
1151
00:39:10,266 --> 00:39:12,533
so like I've I've got and that's
1152
00:39:12,866 --> 00:39:13,966
and that's a good advertisement
1153
00:39:13,966 --> 00:39:14,900
even though I I
1154
00:39:14,900 --> 00:39:15,533
you know I didn't
1155
00:39:15,533 --> 00:39:17,066
I paid I bought every one of them
1156
00:39:17,066 --> 00:39:19,200
so like I've got a whole well
1157
00:39:19,333 --> 00:39:23,533
you know wardrobe of these Echo shoes that I paid and
1158
00:39:23,533 --> 00:39:28,300
you know from whatever two €200 to €250 for basically
1159
00:39:28,300 --> 00:39:29,433
and um
1160
00:39:29,733 --> 00:39:31,733
and I I love them and they're
1161
00:39:31,733 --> 00:39:32,266
they're great
1162
00:39:32,266 --> 00:39:34,066
they're what I've been playing all the time
1163
00:39:34,166 --> 00:39:35,233
um they got the new
1164
00:39:35,233 --> 00:39:36,500
this new one that came out
1165
00:39:36,500 --> 00:39:36,966
sorry I didn't
1166
00:39:36,966 --> 00:39:38,766
I need to even actually look up the
1167
00:39:38,766 --> 00:39:42,100
name of it you said so the bio C5 the I
1168
00:39:42,100 --> 00:39:45,100
I I say biom is it biome I don't know
1169
00:39:45,100 --> 00:39:48,333
I'm just think bio biodynamic or bio biology
1170
00:39:48,333 --> 00:39:49,466
you're probably right
1171
00:39:49,466 --> 00:39:52,533
and I think in the Netherlands it's biom uh yeah
1172
00:39:52,533 --> 00:39:54,233
because I've heard them say it like a million times
1173
00:39:54,233 --> 00:39:57,500
but to this Echo Biom C5 right
1174
00:39:57,500 --> 00:39:59,633
I don't have one yet and I want one
1175
00:39:59,700 --> 00:40:02,066
I or probably I shouldn't say one
1176
00:40:02,066 --> 00:40:04,466
I want several of them because you know
1177
00:40:04,466 --> 00:40:07,300
I that's that's my go to basically
1178
00:40:07,300 --> 00:40:08,233
so um
1179
00:40:08,333 --> 00:40:11,366
that they did the it's probably the C4 whatever
1180
00:40:11,366 --> 00:40:14,133
whatever one was the last year's model
1181
00:40:14,166 --> 00:40:15,533
like I could run down and grab one
1182
00:40:15,533 --> 00:40:17,300
but I thought they were beautiful
1183
00:40:17,300 --> 00:40:19,100
and was hoping they wouldn't change those
1184
00:40:19,100 --> 00:40:21,266
and they are so comfortable and they
1185
00:40:21,266 --> 00:40:22,633
and they have that the thing on them
1186
00:40:22,633 --> 00:40:24,533
so anyway I'm excited to see the next one
1187
00:40:24,533 --> 00:40:25,866
it's supposed to be really stable
1188
00:40:25,866 --> 00:40:27,233
it has the it's what you know
1189
00:40:27,233 --> 00:40:29,433
it also has the Gore Tex it's waterproof basically
1190
00:40:29,700 --> 00:40:31,100
and the waterproofing has been wonderful
1191
00:40:31,100 --> 00:40:32,333
with those shoes like I
1192
00:40:32,333 --> 00:40:35,033
I can't tell you how many times in the beginning
1193
00:40:35,033 --> 00:40:37,533
even in the early shoes early years with the
1194
00:40:37,733 --> 00:40:40,500
the casual echoes my feet were just soaking wet
1195
00:40:40,500 --> 00:40:42,633
you know because I'm playing in the rain all the time
1196
00:40:42,633 --> 00:40:44,366
half the time basically so um
1197
00:40:44,533 --> 00:40:46,366
when that when that changed that was awesome
1198
00:40:46,366 --> 00:40:49,766
and and the the ones that one of the great things
1199
00:40:49,766 --> 00:40:50,466
about the other
1200
00:40:50,466 --> 00:40:53,666
the other ones was that they're so stable for me
1201
00:40:53,666 --> 00:40:54,900
so like you know
1202
00:40:54,900 --> 00:40:56,166
if you're you know
1203
00:40:56,166 --> 00:40:58,333
think about how important the connection and it
1204
00:40:58,333 --> 00:41:00,566
this sounds like it literally sounds like a total ad
1205
00:41:00,566 --> 00:41:02,466
and and I'm don't I don't mean it like that
1206
00:41:02,466 --> 00:41:07,633
but you know if you're if you have a good connection
1207
00:41:07,633 --> 00:41:09,533
like I even have an insole in mine as well right
1208
00:41:09,533 --> 00:41:11,100
so I have that kind of double thing
1209
00:41:11,100 --> 00:41:14,533
but if you if you have an insole in your shoe or
1210
00:41:14,533 --> 00:41:16,166
you know the shoes are really comfortable
1211
00:41:16,166 --> 00:41:17,433
and they're really stable
1212
00:41:19,166 --> 00:41:20,800
that helps your golf swing a lot
1213
00:41:21,033 --> 00:41:22,866
and even in dry conditions right
1214
00:41:22,866 --> 00:41:25,233
that's that stable base is
1215
00:41:25,366 --> 00:41:27,066
you know for me that's super key
1216
00:41:27,066 --> 00:41:28,266
I'm all over the place anyway
1217
00:41:28,266 --> 00:41:30,466
you know not quite Scotty Schauffele type
1218
00:41:30,466 --> 00:41:33,966
but but but getting there so that
1219
00:41:34,100 --> 00:41:35,533
you know that the last one
1220
00:41:35,533 --> 00:41:37,633
that's one of the things that have stuck out is
1221
00:41:37,633 --> 00:41:38,666
is how
1222
00:41:39,233 --> 00:41:40,100
grounded you feel
1223
00:41:40,100 --> 00:41:41,733
when you're standing on top of the shoe
1224
00:41:41,733 --> 00:41:44,166
and you're gonna play anyway that
1225
00:41:44,300 --> 00:41:46,066
you know and and that's a no well
1226
00:41:46,066 --> 00:41:48,333
David I have to admit
1227
00:41:49,233 --> 00:41:50,466
um I listen to a lot of podcasts
1228
00:41:50,466 --> 00:41:52,166
I know you do a bit as well
1229
00:41:52,166 --> 00:41:54,533
and one thing I would say is
1230
00:41:54,533 --> 00:41:56,200
I've never heard a ad read
1231
00:41:56,333 --> 00:41:57,766
go on for five minutes before it was
1232
00:41:58,333 --> 00:41:59,533
that was just pure passion
1233
00:41:59,533 --> 00:42:00,566
which is um
1234
00:42:00,566 --> 00:42:02,500
I'm sure that Echo will be very happy with the
1235
00:42:02,500 --> 00:42:04,766
fact that the ad wasn't an ad
1236
00:42:04,766 --> 00:42:06,933
it was literally you just shouting about
1237
00:42:06,933 --> 00:42:08,833
from the rooftops about something you adore
1238
00:42:09,033 --> 00:42:10,500
so yeah yeah
1239
00:42:10,500 --> 00:42:11,733
no it's that that's
1240
00:42:11,733 --> 00:42:13,600
that's true and there's only
1241
00:42:13,666 --> 00:42:17,466
I can only think of a couple of products that I have
1242
00:42:17,466 --> 00:42:20,766
that I would profess that much
1243
00:42:20,900 --> 00:42:22,833
one of one of them is obviously a travel bag
1244
00:42:22,833 --> 00:42:24,566
I'm not gonna mention it but anyway yeah
1245
00:42:24,566 --> 00:42:25,900
so one's a travel bag
1246
00:42:25,900 --> 00:42:29,800
I got the shoes and that's half the battle right there
1247
00:42:30,033 --> 00:42:32,666
yeah as if you're doing the world's uh
1248
00:42:32,666 --> 00:42:33,466
top 100
1249
00:42:33,466 --> 00:42:36,533
you need to be able to trust where your clubs are going
1250
00:42:36,533 --> 00:42:39,133
and never get sore feet exactly
1251
00:42:39,733 --> 00:42:41,900
yeah the rest you can sort out along the way
1252
00:42:41,900 --> 00:42:43,633
so just a couple of uh
1253
00:42:44,033 --> 00:42:46,166
things about the Echo BMC5
1254
00:42:46,166 --> 00:42:48,466
every detail's crafted for the perfect feel
1255
00:42:48,733 --> 00:42:50,233
and I know David
1256
00:42:50,233 --> 00:42:52,633
and his many adventures in golf have enjoyed
1257
00:42:52,666 --> 00:42:53,633
echoes over the years
1258
00:42:53,633 --> 00:42:54,733
but these have been designed to play
1259
00:42:54,733 --> 00:42:56,766
and built for comfort so uh
1260
00:42:56,766 --> 00:42:57,666
thank you very much Echo
1261
00:42:57,666 --> 00:42:58,800
appreciate it a lot
1262
00:42:58,933 --> 00:43:01,633
you played I think over 1,000 golf courses
1263
00:43:01,633 --> 00:43:02,866
which is a few
1264
00:43:02,866 --> 00:43:04,433
which golf course is your biggest surprise
1265
00:43:04,433 --> 00:43:07,166
I think it changes it probably changes every year James
1266
00:43:07,166 --> 00:43:10,633
my biggest surprise last year was probably
1267
00:43:12,100 --> 00:43:16,433
um either Sand Valley in Poland or Oland's Golf Club in
1268
00:43:16,433 --> 00:43:17,233
um
1269
00:43:17,533 --> 00:43:19,266
in in uh
1270
00:43:19,266 --> 00:43:22,033
uh on Oland's island
1271
00:43:22,266 --> 00:43:24,833
um between Finland and Sweden
1272
00:43:25,866 --> 00:43:27,233
and so certainly
1273
00:43:27,233 --> 00:43:30,533
those were the two biggest surprises last year
1274
00:43:30,533 --> 00:43:32,633
like ever I'd have to think about it
1275
00:43:32,633 --> 00:43:34,633
like my spontaneous answer I
1276
00:43:34,633 --> 00:43:36,066
I don't think I have a
1277
00:43:36,066 --> 00:43:39,233
a spontaneous biggest surprise answer
1278
00:43:39,233 --> 00:43:39,866
there's um
1279
00:43:39,866 --> 00:43:41,366
there's not many golf courses
1280
00:43:41,366 --> 00:43:41,900
that's the
1281
00:43:41,900 --> 00:43:44,266
that's the cool thing about those two you just said
1282
00:43:44,300 --> 00:43:46,033
is there's not many golf courses in the world
1283
00:43:46,033 --> 00:43:47,566
now that you wouldn't have played
1284
00:43:47,566 --> 00:43:50,766
in terms of the recognised group of golf courses
1285
00:43:50,766 --> 00:43:52,333
that everyone knows the name of
1286
00:43:52,466 --> 00:43:56,933
so to be able to still get surprises in golf
1287
00:43:56,933 --> 00:43:58,866
shows you how much golf there is out there
1288
00:43:58,866 --> 00:43:59,966
that people don't realize
1289
00:43:59,966 --> 00:44:02,633
that you can go and play and get an honest
1290
00:44:02,866 --> 00:44:04,500
cool experience right
1291
00:44:04,500 --> 00:44:05,433
which golf course
1292
00:44:05,433 --> 00:44:07,166
do you think has the best set of par threes
1293
00:44:07,166 --> 00:44:10,466
probably Pine Valley or Cypress or one
1294
00:44:10,466 --> 00:44:12,300
one of the tops one of
1295
00:44:12,300 --> 00:44:13,966
one of the top few golf courses
1296
00:44:13,966 --> 00:44:15,000
how about uh
1297
00:44:15,433 --> 00:44:17,066
the best par fours
1298
00:44:18,033 --> 00:44:19,133
same again I mean
1299
00:44:19,133 --> 00:44:21,033
there's a reason those courses are
1300
00:44:21,033 --> 00:44:22,466
are so high up I mean
1301
00:44:22,466 --> 00:44:22,966
another like
1302
00:44:22,966 --> 00:44:26,433
so for example Hirono has incredible par threes that
1303
00:44:26,433 --> 00:44:30,800
you know it's got like for what I'd call absolutely
1304
00:44:31,433 --> 00:44:33,500
you know mind blowing par threes that
1305
00:44:33,500 --> 00:44:34,633
that that's a good example
1306
00:44:34,633 --> 00:44:35,733
South Cape um
1307
00:44:35,966 --> 00:44:38,033
has you know it
1308
00:44:38,033 --> 00:44:41,566
it has three out of four that are mind blowingly good
1309
00:44:41,566 --> 00:44:43,666
you know like a spectacular
1310
00:44:43,666 --> 00:44:45,833
heroic shots over water
1311
00:44:45,833 --> 00:44:47,366
with cliff tops and stuff like that
1312
00:44:47,366 --> 00:44:51,566
so I'm anytime you get into that type of stuff you
1313
00:44:51,566 --> 00:44:54,866
you know it's not that difficult to um
1314
00:44:55,100 --> 00:44:56,633
to say those are the
1315
00:44:56,633 --> 00:44:58,866
those are courses with just incredible
1316
00:44:59,066 --> 00:45:00,533
sets of par threes
1317
00:45:01,066 --> 00:45:03,100
lastly par fives yeah
1318
00:45:03,100 --> 00:45:04,066
you said par fours
1319
00:45:04,066 --> 00:45:05,766
and I didn't really answer that question
1320
00:45:05,766 --> 00:45:08,100
but I I think it's
1321
00:45:08,100 --> 00:45:09,833
I think it's really hard I mean I
1322
00:45:09,833 --> 00:45:11,266
I could answer Pine Valley to every
1323
00:45:11,266 --> 00:45:13,266
everything because that's why it's the yeah
1324
00:45:13,266 --> 00:45:13,566
you know
1325
00:45:13,566 --> 00:45:15,433
that's why it's the No. 1 course one of the number
1326
00:45:15,433 --> 00:45:15,966
you know No. 1
1327
00:45:15,966 --> 00:45:17,466
No. 2 course in the world all the time
1328
00:45:17,466 --> 00:45:20,633
so par fives is a tough one um
1329
00:45:21,100 --> 00:45:25,333
so I can easily answer part pine value to that as well
1330
00:45:25,333 --> 00:45:27,400
to part fives um
1331
00:45:28,966 --> 00:45:32,200
it's the par fives is probably one of the hardest
1332
00:45:32,500 --> 00:45:33,466
the hardest
1333
00:45:34,566 --> 00:45:35,466
you know
1334
00:45:36,100 --> 00:45:40,100
the hardest holes to design really well and to put
1335
00:45:40,100 --> 00:45:43,133
you know multiple great par fives on a golf course
1336
00:45:44,100 --> 00:45:46,566
you don't see that very often because it's often
1337
00:45:46,866 --> 00:45:48,533
you know it requires a lot of space
1338
00:45:48,533 --> 00:45:50,833
and so it's often like how do we
1339
00:45:51,266 --> 00:45:53,566
you know link together the
1340
00:45:53,566 --> 00:45:55,100
the interesting ground with the other
1341
00:45:55,100 --> 00:45:56,033
interesting ground hey
1342
00:45:56,033 --> 00:45:57,100
par 5 you know
1343
00:45:57,100 --> 00:45:59,100
or two par fives even or whatever it is right
1344
00:45:59,100 --> 00:46:00,066
let's put in the
1345
00:46:01,033 --> 00:46:01,833
um
1346
00:46:01,900 --> 00:46:03,733
you know let's put a link in there and
1347
00:46:03,733 --> 00:46:07,233
and often the par 5 is the duper they
1348
00:46:07,466 --> 00:46:09,233
you know that that would be used for it
1349
00:46:09,233 --> 00:46:12,000
so when you find a great par 5
1350
00:46:12,100 --> 00:46:12,866
you know or
1351
00:46:12,866 --> 00:46:15,333
or a host of great par fives on a golf course
1352
00:46:15,733 --> 00:46:17,100
usually it's gonna mean
1353
00:46:17,100 --> 00:46:19,566
that the entire property is pretty interesting land
1354
00:46:20,266 --> 00:46:21,333
because
1355
00:46:21,933 --> 00:46:22,966
they didn't use the
1356
00:46:22,966 --> 00:46:24,666
most boring parts of the golf course
1357
00:46:24,666 --> 00:46:27,133
for par fives one that's very close to my home
1358
00:46:27,133 --> 00:46:28,333
and it is a bit of a cop out
1359
00:46:28,333 --> 00:46:30,033
because only has three of them is
1360
00:46:30,033 --> 00:46:31,500
I think Mirfield's par fives
1361
00:46:31,500 --> 00:46:34,333
three par fives are absolutely exceptional yeah
1362
00:46:34,333 --> 00:46:36,500
I mean certainly um
1363
00:46:36,500 --> 00:46:37,600
is it uh
1364
00:46:37,866 --> 00:46:38,833
is uh
1365
00:46:38,833 --> 00:46:39,966
sorry is it 17
1366
00:46:39,966 --> 00:46:41,700
five nine and 17 yeah
1367
00:46:41,700 --> 00:46:45,666
17 is a phenomenal part five like really strong
1368
00:46:46,333 --> 00:46:48,733
the yeah it's
1369
00:46:48,733 --> 00:46:50,866
it's a fun debate but uh
1370
00:46:50,933 --> 00:46:51,533
we'll uh
1371
00:46:51,533 --> 00:46:52,366
move on
1372
00:46:53,100 --> 00:46:56,333
uh where is the best fairways
1373
00:46:56,433 --> 00:46:57,566
most interesting fairways
1374
00:46:57,566 --> 00:47:00,533
you've seen the most interesting fairways
1375
00:47:00,533 --> 00:47:05,466
the best fairways in terms of turf are at places like
1376
00:47:05,466 --> 00:47:07,066
well you know
1377
00:47:08,700 --> 00:47:10,633
tier and territory of the best turf
1378
00:47:10,733 --> 00:47:11,833
like some of the best turf
1379
00:47:11,833 --> 00:47:14,166
pure fescue with no like weeds in it basically
1380
00:47:14,166 --> 00:47:16,266
it's incredible so and
1381
00:47:16,266 --> 00:47:18,466
and other than other than that
1382
00:47:18,466 --> 00:47:20,766
you know like in I don't
1383
00:47:20,766 --> 00:47:24,266
I don't like the surface as much as I do fescue
1384
00:47:24,300 --> 00:47:26,233
but some of the couch grass in
1385
00:47:26,233 --> 00:47:27,466
in the you know
1386
00:47:27,466 --> 00:47:31,200
in Australia which you recently experienced um
1387
00:47:31,900 --> 00:47:32,466
you know
1388
00:47:32,466 --> 00:47:35,533
some of that turf is amazing to to play off of very
1389
00:47:35,533 --> 00:47:36,166
very firm
1390
00:47:36,166 --> 00:47:39,533
I like the way a fescue plays a little bit more still
1391
00:47:39,533 --> 00:47:43,333
but that turf in general is incredible to play on um
1392
00:47:43,533 --> 00:47:46,066
if that's how you meant the question to be
1393
00:47:46,166 --> 00:47:47,533
it was more um
1394
00:47:47,900 --> 00:47:48,933
interesting in terms
1395
00:47:48,933 --> 00:47:51,966
of the way they're shaped and the way they sit
1396
00:47:51,966 --> 00:47:54,200
and the way they sit within the land
1397
00:47:54,633 --> 00:47:56,633
got it so to me
1398
00:47:56,733 --> 00:47:58,066
what makes interesting
1399
00:47:58,066 --> 00:48:01,133
fairways is when there's not too many flat lies
1400
00:48:01,133 --> 00:48:04,633
so I I like to
1401
00:48:05,066 --> 00:48:07,066
you know I like a situation where
1402
00:48:07,133 --> 00:48:09,833
there's always more to think about than just um
1403
00:48:10,166 --> 00:48:12,133
you know like you're at the driving range
1404
00:48:12,566 --> 00:48:14,466
a flat type of lie that's perfect
1405
00:48:14,466 --> 00:48:16,533
I like a sidehill lie or a downhill lie
1406
00:48:16,533 --> 00:48:18,133
or uphill or whatever so
1407
00:48:18,233 --> 00:48:21,533
you know courses that have a lot of movement um
1408
00:48:21,533 --> 00:48:23,700
and contours within the fairways
1409
00:48:23,700 --> 00:48:27,033
I tend to you know
1410
00:48:27,033 --> 00:48:28,966
10 I tend to like a lot basically
1411
00:48:28,966 --> 00:48:30,300
so you know
1412
00:48:30,300 --> 00:48:31,833
there's tons of examples of links
1413
00:48:31,833 --> 00:48:33,233
that's why links golf is so interesting
1414
00:48:33,233 --> 00:48:34,466
because a lot of times you don't
1415
00:48:34,466 --> 00:48:36,433
there's not so many flat lies
1416
00:48:36,433 --> 00:48:38,166
you know you could look at a place like deal
1417
00:48:38,166 --> 00:48:39,266
for example and
1418
00:48:40,266 --> 00:48:41,500
uh rolling porch sorry
1419
00:48:41,500 --> 00:48:43,033
uh and then
1420
00:48:43,166 --> 00:48:43,533
you know
1421
00:48:43,533 --> 00:48:46,033
there's a lot of holes where you have crazy fairways
1422
00:48:46,033 --> 00:48:47,566
with humps and bumps and
1423
00:48:47,633 --> 00:48:48,633
you know you
1424
00:48:49,300 --> 00:48:50,666
that's really interesting that
1425
00:48:50,666 --> 00:48:51,900
that makes for interesting golf
1426
00:48:51,900 --> 00:48:54,600
and it's interesting to play off that press Wick has a
1427
00:48:54,733 --> 00:48:56,300
yeah at least press Wick has some holes that
1428
00:48:56,300 --> 00:48:59,766
that have those a humps and bumps and all those things
1429
00:48:59,766 --> 00:49:01,333
we were we're just in New Zealand
1430
00:49:01,333 --> 00:49:02,700
Paraparumu I
1431
00:49:02,700 --> 00:49:03,733
I I
1432
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:05,366
I just watched this thing on how to say that
1433
00:49:05,366 --> 00:49:06,566
and I still can't say it and I
1434
00:49:06,566 --> 00:49:08,666
watched it being said correctly 10 times
1435
00:49:08,666 --> 00:49:09,833
and I still can't pronounce it
1436
00:49:09,833 --> 00:49:12,900
but as some people say pram
1437
00:49:12,900 --> 00:49:15,133
I think it is as as short
1438
00:49:15,233 --> 00:49:16,100
so the
1439
00:49:16,100 --> 00:49:22,733
the fairways at that course in New Zealand are rolly
1440
00:49:22,733 --> 00:49:25,366
humpy bumpy fairways and I love that
1441
00:49:25,366 --> 00:49:28,400
and that's that I think that's super interesting
1442
00:49:28,766 --> 00:49:30,633
that's one of the cool things about Bora actually
1443
00:49:30,633 --> 00:49:32,666
is Bora's got a lot of fairways that just
1444
00:49:32,666 --> 00:49:35,200
there's no flat lies you never get a flat lie there
1445
00:49:35,300 --> 00:49:37,400
and it it's um
1446
00:49:37,866 --> 00:49:39,733
it's something that you don't see a lot in Parkland
1447
00:49:39,733 --> 00:49:40,700
golf that
1448
00:49:40,700 --> 00:49:42,100
that would be a tough question
1449
00:49:42,100 --> 00:49:45,033
which Parkland courses have the most interesting
1450
00:49:45,466 --> 00:49:46,866
micro contours and fairies
1451
00:49:46,866 --> 00:49:47,933
would that be the best way of saying it
1452
00:49:47,933 --> 00:49:50,866
oh boy off the top of my head
1453
00:49:50,900 --> 00:49:53,533
it's hard to think of Parkland
1454
00:49:53,533 --> 00:49:53,733
like
1455
00:49:53,733 --> 00:49:57,600
true Parkland courses that have a lot of interest in um
1456
00:49:58,766 --> 00:50:00,666
micro contours in the fairways
1457
00:50:01,466 --> 00:50:03,033
I know that they're out there
1458
00:50:03,033 --> 00:50:05,166
Bota Garten up in Scotland would be one
1459
00:50:05,166 --> 00:50:07,033
that's a really good example of it
1460
00:50:07,033 --> 00:50:09,633
so so I've seen pictures of places like um
1461
00:50:09,933 --> 00:50:12,000
White Bear Yacht Club for example
1462
00:50:12,066 --> 00:50:14,166
um really interesting looking fairways
1463
00:50:14,166 --> 00:50:16,766
um then there's Lasonia Links
1464
00:50:16,866 --> 00:50:18,633
very interesting looking fairways
1465
00:50:18,633 --> 00:50:20,033
I've never played either one of those
1466
00:50:20,033 --> 00:50:22,433
they're on my list of courses I'd love to play
1467
00:50:22,566 --> 00:50:23,700
um and
1468
00:50:23,700 --> 00:50:26,133
and part of that's the reason why
1469
00:50:26,166 --> 00:50:28,733
you've got places that are pretty classic
1470
00:50:28,733 --> 00:50:30,266
so I don't know if you could call them
1471
00:50:30,433 --> 00:50:31,766
I don't know if I'd call them Parkland
1472
00:50:31,766 --> 00:50:33,866
but like myopia hunt clubs like that
1473
00:50:33,866 --> 00:50:37,166
it's amazing and the fairways are wild
1474
00:50:37,166 --> 00:50:40,066
you know there's like a rolling wonderful
1475
00:50:40,066 --> 00:50:41,833
you know wonderful course
1476
00:50:41,833 --> 00:50:44,266
wonderful contours on the
1477
00:50:44,266 --> 00:50:46,866
on the ground Eastwood hoe is like that
1478
00:50:46,866 --> 00:50:48,733
you know I'm sorry now to pick on the
1479
00:50:48,733 --> 00:50:50,633
the Boston area um
1480
00:50:50,966 --> 00:50:52,266
if you go up in the Long Island
1481
00:50:52,266 --> 00:50:52,833
a lot of
1482
00:50:52,833 --> 00:50:55,266
a lot of those courses have those kind of contours that
1483
00:50:55,266 --> 00:50:56,633
that are you know
1484
00:50:56,633 --> 00:50:58,166
that are really really interesting
1485
00:50:58,266 --> 00:50:59,066
um
1486
00:50:59,833 --> 00:51:01,800
yeah I I mean
1487
00:51:03,466 --> 00:51:04,566
the the ones that I
1488
00:51:04,566 --> 00:51:06,633
I think the ones I'm mentioning are
1489
00:51:06,633 --> 00:51:08,066
are are really good um
1490
00:51:08,266 --> 00:51:09,533
Marion's got for example
1491
00:51:09,533 --> 00:51:10,433
got some great holes
1492
00:51:10,433 --> 00:51:13,033
there's some really great land in that area of uh
1493
00:51:13,300 --> 00:51:14,033
you know con
1494
00:51:14,033 --> 00:51:15,033
contouring fairways
1495
00:51:15,033 --> 00:51:17,133
Pine Valley is full of contours in the fairways
1496
00:51:17,133 --> 00:51:17,966
you know I
1497
00:51:18,100 --> 00:51:20,733
there's not that many flat lies out there as well
1498
00:51:20,733 --> 00:51:21,533
um
1499
00:51:21,866 --> 00:51:25,066
so I think that that's part of great golf
1500
00:51:25,333 --> 00:51:25,966
you know the
1501
00:51:25,966 --> 00:51:27,733
the harder question would be
1502
00:51:27,866 --> 00:51:29,333
tell me how many
1503
00:51:29,666 --> 00:51:32,000
great golf courses there are that have
1504
00:51:32,066 --> 00:51:33,566
perfectly flat fairways
1505
00:51:34,366 --> 00:51:36,433
and we we could argue on this right
1506
00:51:36,433 --> 00:51:40,433
because you could say things like Berkdale
1507
00:51:41,066 --> 00:51:42,066
yeah um
1508
00:51:42,500 --> 00:51:43,833
Hillside back nine
1509
00:51:43,866 --> 00:51:45,666
people love Berkdale as a golf course
1510
00:51:45,666 --> 00:51:48,366
but I I'm I'm
1511
00:51:48,366 --> 00:51:50,666
I'm not as much a fan it's a great golf course
1512
00:51:50,666 --> 00:51:52,533
right in a championship test and all those things
1513
00:51:52,533 --> 00:51:54,500
I'm not as much a fan as other people are of it
1514
00:51:54,500 --> 00:51:56,300
just because you know it's
1515
00:51:56,300 --> 00:51:58,066
an example of a links course where they
1516
00:51:58,066 --> 00:52:00,766
in my mind they plowed the fairways flat and
1517
00:52:00,766 --> 00:52:01,366
and you know
1518
00:52:01,366 --> 00:52:02,700
that's great for championship golf
1519
00:52:02,700 --> 00:52:05,700
because pros like to be able to hit the shot
1520
00:52:05,700 --> 00:52:07,833
and get rewarded for it and have a good lie
1521
00:52:08,566 --> 00:52:09,366
um
1522
00:52:09,766 --> 00:52:10,166
you know
1523
00:52:10,166 --> 00:52:13,033
if you're in a tournament and you're playing great golf
1524
00:52:13,066 --> 00:52:14,366
striping it up the middle
1525
00:52:15,233 --> 00:52:17,066
and you want to be rewarded for that
1526
00:52:17,066 --> 00:52:19,700
and links golf doesn't reward you necessarily for
1527
00:52:19,700 --> 00:52:21,266
for those things um
1528
00:52:21,266 --> 00:52:23,700
but yeah Berkley as a links course does
1529
00:52:23,700 --> 00:52:25,366
so it's kind of like a modern
1530
00:52:25,766 --> 00:52:27,366
you know uh
1531
00:52:27,566 --> 00:52:30,566
modern links that's been plowed flat in a lot of areas
1532
00:52:30,566 --> 00:52:31,566
and um
1533
00:52:31,666 --> 00:52:33,333
and you have good lies um
1534
00:52:33,500 --> 00:52:34,333
you know if I'm wrong
1535
00:52:34,333 --> 00:52:35,100
tell me I
1536
00:52:35,100 --> 00:52:36,266
but that's my belief oh
1537
00:52:36,266 --> 00:52:37,333
well there's a reason
1538
00:52:37,433 --> 00:52:38,700
there's a reason why good
1539
00:52:38,700 --> 00:52:40,066
good golfers like Berkdale's
1540
00:52:40,066 --> 00:52:41,833
because it does differentiate themselves
1541
00:52:41,833 --> 00:52:43,333
from the higher handicapper
1542
00:52:43,333 --> 00:52:44,300
who's less accurate
1543
00:52:44,300 --> 00:52:47,600
because it does punish people when you go offline
1544
00:52:48,366 --> 00:52:49,766
yeah it's it's
1545
00:52:49,766 --> 00:52:51,733
it's there's a reason why
1546
00:52:51,833 --> 00:52:55,533
and good golfers prefer Burkdale over Roswell Georges
1547
00:52:55,533 --> 00:52:56,233
let's say whereas
1548
00:52:56,233 --> 00:52:58,266
the higher handicap would prefer Roswell Georges
1549
00:52:58,266 --> 00:52:59,866
because the variety is there
1550
00:53:00,033 --> 00:53:01,966
yeah per perfect um
1551
00:53:01,966 --> 00:53:03,666
per perfect example you mean
1552
00:53:03,666 --> 00:53:04,966
you can hit the ball in the middle of the Fairway
1553
00:53:04,966 --> 00:53:05,833
at Royal Saint George's
1554
00:53:05,833 --> 00:53:08,033
and somehow end up in the bush on the side
1555
00:53:08,033 --> 00:53:08,933
you know yeah
1556
00:53:09,733 --> 00:53:10,500
if you're and
1557
00:53:10,500 --> 00:53:11,900
and that's what they say OK
1558
00:53:11,900 --> 00:53:12,833
links golf fits
1559
00:53:13,533 --> 00:53:15,466
you gotta hit a great shot and you know
1560
00:53:15,466 --> 00:53:17,333
you kind of you almost have to be able to
1561
00:53:17,333 --> 00:53:19,533
read the fairways of where you're landing it to
1562
00:53:19,533 --> 00:53:21,033
to have a chance to hit the Fairway
1563
00:53:21,033 --> 00:53:22,866
yeah which I think it's quite cool
1564
00:53:22,866 --> 00:53:25,000
lastly but not leastly
1565
00:53:25,666 --> 00:53:27,166
where's the best day in golf
1566
00:53:27,166 --> 00:53:29,100
what do you think it's gotta be south of the Sienna
1567
00:53:29,100 --> 00:53:29,900
right
1568
00:53:32,833 --> 00:53:34,833
yeah Santa Claus is pretty special
1569
00:53:35,166 --> 00:53:35,966
I mean
1570
00:53:36,166 --> 00:53:36,633
if we're gonna
1571
00:53:36,633 --> 00:53:38,500
pick something that nobody's ever gonna see
1572
00:53:38,500 --> 00:53:40,066
and they can't debate
1573
00:53:40,733 --> 00:53:42,100
they can't prove us wrong
1574
00:53:42,100 --> 00:53:43,466
then I guess that's gotta be
1575
00:53:43,466 --> 00:53:44,333
that's gonna be Santa Claus
1576
00:53:44,333 --> 00:53:45,666
the answer hahaha
1577
00:53:46,100 --> 00:53:47,333
that's just hit the hour Mark
1578
00:53:47,333 --> 00:53:49,600
and I just like to say David
1579
00:53:49,900 --> 00:53:53,100
uh thank you very much for coming on and uh
1580
00:53:53,100 --> 00:53:56,766
joining us to talk about how um
1581
00:53:56,833 --> 00:53:59,266
what you did them in really with the shoes
1582
00:53:59,266 --> 00:54:01,900
and then I thank freckle for joining uh
1583
00:54:01,900 --> 00:54:02,700
the tribe
1584
00:54:02,966 --> 00:54:05,333
I'm sure you'll be hearing a few more of the Echo
1585
00:54:05,333 --> 00:54:07,466
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1586
00:54:07,666 --> 00:54:10,933
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1587
00:54:11,500 --> 00:54:14,100
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1588
00:54:14,100 --> 00:54:16,766
little surprises about playing the Top 100
1589
00:54:17,533 --> 00:54:18,966
and so yeah
1590
00:54:18,966 --> 00:54:20,366
thanks very much David
1591
00:54:21,066 --> 00:54:22,833
yeah thank you for um
1592
00:54:23,033 --> 00:54:24,733
putting up with me again oh
1593
00:54:24,733 --> 00:54:26,033
it's great to have you on
1594
00:54:26,100 --> 00:54:26,866
and uh
1595
00:54:26,866 --> 00:54:28,433
thank you very much to everyone who's listened
1596
00:54:28,533 --> 00:54:30,233
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