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go play Gleneagles Kings
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and tell me that the bunkering and the green sites
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and the way it sits on that ground
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isn't wholly unique to Gleneagles Kings
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and very very attractive on the eye
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a load of other rankings have sections of it
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to do with practice so
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or to do with the clubhouse or to do with whatever
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yeah it doesn't matter to us
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no that's irrelevant
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it's the moment we hit the first ball on the first tee
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and then play on from there
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get to a piece of links land
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it's completely random
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and you look at some of the bunkering green sites
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a lot of it especially in this part of the world
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is cookie cutter here sand scrapes
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you have outline edges and bunkers
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you've got bunkers that don't tie into dunes
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it's almost like they've taken in a lorry of sand
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dumped it on the Fairway
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and then cut out a revetted bunker
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it's shameful
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you have so many architects now that are practicing
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that are so reliant on the same two or three companies
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and they're not switched on enough
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and all the good architects
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were able to look at a piece of land
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and give a course character and personality
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and that's something that I find
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is definitely lacking
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in a lot of practitioners of the craft
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especially here in the UK
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because we know what we're doing
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it's not a bloody pocket science
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this is what we think and this is how we rate it
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I mean the game is an amateur game
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I mean the professional side of it
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you know
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there are idols and heroes and fun to watch them play
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but I mean if it weren't for amateur golf
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there would be no golf
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you have to remember when you play a golf course
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and you're out there for four hours or whatever
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you're only hitting the
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you're only hitting a ball for what
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15 minutes of that
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so there's a lot of time to look around
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hello
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and welcome to another episode of Top 100 Clubhouse
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Podcast I'm your host James Henderson
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and this week we have a very hotly debated subject in
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well my beloved Scotland top 100 rankings
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how you doing Jasper yeah
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doing very well yeah
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we've had a good couple of days
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uh we've been up in the northwest of England
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so currently sitting in the S&A
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Southport and Ainsdale Ryder Cup room
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there's some cool history on the walls here
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a lot of big names a lot of uh
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very cool bits of memorabilia
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last time I was here uh
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the CEO gave me a copy of the Ryder Cup menu
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so I've got it sitting if you anyone noticed
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there's a Ryder Cup menu from that year behind my desk
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when I'm doing the podcast
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it's from the amazing guys at Southport Inn still
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so yes so this is second time here
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I will go play the course after we're
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done recording the podcast
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delightful 18 holes at uh
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Royal Lytham and Saint Andes this morning
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which was good to see the uh
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the new work between the 7th and 11th holes um
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moving on swiftly um
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it's it's interesting cause if you saw the holes
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I know you hadn't seen the holes before
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I'd seen the holes before and Jasper
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you completed your open rotor at a realism
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which is the same course
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I finished my open route as well yeah
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so yeah it was nice thing to to do
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I don't think I ever had look
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growing up in Canada uh
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to come to the UK to play the Old Course
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once would have been like life's ambition
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yeah and then to think that I've been able to play
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the open road to now
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um and a lot of the courses multiple times
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that's I was it felt like a bit of a milestone
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so yeah very grateful for the
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for the privilege to be able to do that
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and then to share that with you
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so that was that was really
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really good it's a fun place and uh
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but we are on here not to talk about England
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England here to talk about Scotland
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Scotland and drink some Irish beer
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yeah fair ha ha ha ha fair uh
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it's very controversially uh
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it was a Protestant who came up with the uh
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Guinness was it yeah
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yeah so it's the drink of Ireland
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the very proud Catholic nation
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but it was actually a Protestant
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who was very much a unionist
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who was a Guinness
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make exceptions for some I think it's hahaha
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it's very much a yeah
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it's very much one of those things where
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I will just swipe that away
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cause this is banging that's it
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something's art as well
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just let that guy go into the grave
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and then we'll enjoy his stuff
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and so you do we have an updated list or do we
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so by the time this comes out um
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the the week
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so we had two weeks of effectively Scottish content uh
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that were that was coming out on social media uh
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what we did was uh
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we did all of the effectively county rankings
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if you want to call it that
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I don't even know what you have in the area
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it's it's areas it's it's a complicated thing
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we don't um
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there's so many weird little counties or whatever
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so we just do kind of areas yeah
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so we we've tried to do our best I
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I think this is another another thing that comes up
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and maybe we touch on it straight away
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when we looked at the rankings for GBN I
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they were the oldest rankings
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top 100 started with GBN I
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and when we looked at those rankings
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most of them were aligned with golf unions
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which I think for when the website started out
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and it wasn't used by you know
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six or seven hundred thousand Americans a month
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it made sense that golf unions uh
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would be the way that you would do things
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we also know that 98% of people that use the website
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are planning golf trips to
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inbound golf
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travel from overseas to play Ireland and Scotland
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and by extension England
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Wales so
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we felt that it was time to align the rankings with
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geographic boundaries
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makes sense if you're wanting to work out
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what's the next best golf course in the area
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after playing Dornoch
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you then look at that list as the Highlands
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yep and you know
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what's the next best cause
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you can actually drive to it within an hour
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or whatever and that's the thing
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we've actually got some courses that appear in more
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and that might seem confusing
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I guess to some but they are all aligned
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that was a historic ranking that was on the
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on the website uh
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now we have Highlands and Islands
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that's a really bad example
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because the islands are miles away from well
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and this is the thing you know
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Highlands and islands get grouped together
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if you're in like south east or Barra
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comparing them to a golf course in the North East yeah
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that's the the Scottish way of doing things
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there's been some churn through the rankings
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we're comparing golf courses
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to other golf courses that we've never done before
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there's been so much movement
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through the rankings I do think that uh
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I'm the head of the Scotland uh
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panel and I know that you were very much uh
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agreement with me
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that when I looked at the previous rankings
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when I took over I was wanting to take a well
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go through it with a toothbrush
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fine tooth comb because previously
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we've kind of
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viewed all Scottish golf courses
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to compare against Scottish golf courses
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in a Scottish ranking rather than taking a view of
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a world view where you can
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there's a million great parklands in America yeah
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and so
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you will see on our rankings that we've decided that
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a Parkland in Scotland has to
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then compete against a Parkland in America
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to be proven as of quality well
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and this is the thing
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so maybe to use and the Irish rankings have come out
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and I think we'll see this in GBI
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when it eventually comes out after we release England
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that just because it's a
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a bang and Parkland golf course in England
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if it's in the top 30 to 40 golf courses
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it's got to be on par
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with the best that you would find in America
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just things like budget and resource
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you don't find them the
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to use an example
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it's probably one of the best manicured golf courses
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in the British Isles in Europe as an extension
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but they're almost a dime a dozen in in America yeah
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so I think from your from your to to make your point
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we we also had quite a few
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we had quite a lot of input from panelists
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they're not on the Scottish panel
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but they might have played
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50 of the courses that are on that ranking in Scotland
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and this was the first time that we said right
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if you have any depth of play
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we'd like to know from you
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so we've kind of got we've
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we've gone from a handful of Scottish panelists
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to roughly about 70 70 yard that have given us
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this is crazy how many people travel to Scotland
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well this is a thing and a lot of the Scots too
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they they're from Scotland
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born and bred played everything maybe college golf
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amateur golf and then they've went
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over to America to have careers
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and various bits and pieces
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they still come back every few
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months to visit family and friends
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maybe for work
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and they are playing a lot in Scotland
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the reason why we didn't have them as
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contributing towards that before was
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cause they're simply based in America
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but actually most of them had
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more depth and more play in Scotland
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than some of our own like homegrown Scottish panelists
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so it
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it seemed to defy logic why we wouldn't have them
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or at least have their input that we could use
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along with the data that we get from our
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our panel which I think is about 16
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16 or 18 strong now dedicated golfers in in Scotland
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we got some really cool and
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interesting people have done a lot of work
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so big shout out to the panelists that have helped us
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get to where we are
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cause there has been a massive mix up
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we've really ignored previous rankings in this one
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and looked at what we think is
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we've kind of started again
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yeah which you
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there's a reason that I'll
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I'll let Jasper explain it because uh
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you won't have any
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comparisons to previous rankings on this
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and that was a a very careful decision that was made
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um we felt that
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because we had brand new geographic rankings
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so the boundaries for each of the internal rankings
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was now different we had effectively a brand new panel
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although some of the panelists stayed on uh
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and we opened it up to a wider pool of well played
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informed individuals that it
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the the feedback and how much change there was
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wouldn't properly be reflected
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if we showed how much some courses moved up and down
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and the reason why we didn't want to do that was
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because you've
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got some really good golf courses
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that have actually made great strides
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and they've invested in their club
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in the course in the green
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keeping the agronomy the tree room
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all of those things that everyone supposed to be doing
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just as good hygiene basically for a golf course
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and they've slipped
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and we felt that that was very unfair
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because
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they're doing everything to go up in the rankings
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but perhaps
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we felt in the past that maybe based on our criteria
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and in the views of some of our panelists
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that they were here and now they've moved down
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and it would appear that they've done something wrong
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which they haven't done they've done everything right
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it's just that perhaps previously
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comparing it to different courses
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and from a different panels point of view
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um they
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they've they've found their new spot
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and so if it if you issued a panel
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and it said they've moved down five spots
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that would be quite discouraging
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and we didn't want to make anyone feel that
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you know anything that they were doing
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wasn't in the right direction
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so the best way to look at this is
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if you think that you've moved up or down
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it's not about that it's almost a complete reset
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and this is where we think you're in
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and it's probably good to look at it as tiers
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I think we see this you know
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elite tier think about 40 courses now make it into GBI
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and I from Scotland which is
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I think more than anything that's been done before
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so you kind of have god tier which courses in the world
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which is probably 10 to 20
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and then you've got GBI tier
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which is probably 20 to 40
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and then the bastion country
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which is probably the next 25
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and then you can start looking at your neighbors
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regionally so I wouldn't put too much emphasis on
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we've moved up or we've moved down so many spots
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look at your neighbors in the ranking
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and then that'll help you see who you're up against
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and who you can move up and down against
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moving forward well
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there's something that I have noticed
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in the change of the ranking is um
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if you're have a golf course that has very good ground
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and interesting ground movement
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you've been rewarded for that with our panel
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so there's places like Lanark Ely
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Botogarten of all had good uh
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jumps because they deserve that respect
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that hasn't really been given to them before
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uh yeah
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and I think then on the other side of it
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we touched on parklands
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and it's not anything against parklands um
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I think you all you have to do is look at your
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your Loch Lomonds
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and you could make an argument that Gleneagles
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is a Moorland
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a high heathland but let's be honest
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there's probably not a lot of Heather on Gleneagles
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anymore no
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it's a Parkland it's a Parkland golf course really
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so
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and those two courses do really well in our rankings um
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so it's not that we're anti Parkland in any way
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shape or form absolutely um
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it's just that the bar for being a very good Parkland
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is world set is
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is set by the world yeah
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just like if you go to America um
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and you play links
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you'd say well
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this is the best links in America therefore it must be
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well no
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the standard for links is set in the UK exactly
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and so if you go to New Zealand or Australia
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or Bandon in America for example
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what do you compare those to
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well the standard is set by the home of golf
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exactly where links links golf originated
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so it in some ways
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it felt like we've level the playing field
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is that we were sometimes
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maybe the bias towards the higher end
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Parkland resort courses
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they were getting a bit of a boost because they were um
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the best of their kind in the UK and because of that
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they were artificially higher
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but as you know to your point
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um when we look at it from a world perspective
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um that bar is set very high
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well it's like a
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going to a steak restaurant
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and expecting a world class salad
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you know it's yeah
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or world world class fish and chips
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it's like order the bloody steak
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exactly that's what they do
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that's what they do well
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and that's what you expect to be great
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so yes
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so to your point um
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you know I
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you know let's
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let's call a spade a spade courses
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you know Fairmont
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for example other two courses in
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in 5 they've fallen a little bit or a lot um
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other courses of a similar ilk uh
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maybe the higher end highly polished resort offerings
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and we keep coming back to this uh
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top 100 is and should be
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um a broad church
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it should be very inclusive
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but those elements of great golf
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firm turf running golf golf played on the ground
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that rewards all skill sets that you can play quickly
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that give you options on and on and on
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all the things that we know make for good golf
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whether it's a big shiny
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brilliant golf course that's got a concierge and a
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you know a boot clean and a
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like Gleneagles yeah
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like Gleneagles they should get a fair shake
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but then also other courses
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like Durness should also be there as well
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um and you can't have
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you know one more different than the other
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but when you step onto the first tee
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what does the what does it play
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like what how does it play yeah
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it's not about whether you get your shoes shined
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exactly and maybe that's a good thing to keep in mind
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you know whenever we put things out on social media
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we always get quote unquote fan mail back um
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something something ha ha ha ha
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and you know
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I've played this three times and I know that great
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not a problem at all uh
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if you in your opinion
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this course is better than that course
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you're right for you um
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our criteria is probably different haha
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um and that's fine
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and by I say our criteria
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I'm saying top 100 and perhaps
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you know just a golfer in
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in the wild um
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so it's good to compare apples to apples
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and before you say that we're right or wrong um
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it's good to see like what we say is important um
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cause even within the rankings sometimes we get that uh
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and especially we we hear from golf club managers
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sometimes you've ranked us here and we're this
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in this ranking and that and that ranking
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but not all rankings are created equal
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and not all of them have the same criteria
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well we don't a load of other rankings have um
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sections of it to do with practice facilities
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or to do with the clubhouse
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or to do with whatever yeah
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we don't do any of that no
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it's not about that's nothing to do with us
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so maybe you have a fantastic um
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selection of food which actually here was banging
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the food at Southport mainstays is really good
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yeah and
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or you have an amazing practice facility or
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it doesn't matter to us no
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that's irrelevant
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it's the moment we hit the first ball on the first tee
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and then play on from there
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this podcast is brought to you by Echo Shoes
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particularly their new biome C5 David
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I know you have a wee bit of a fondness for an Echo
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yeah no
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no doubt
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I am literally a walking advertisement for Echo
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and I can honestly say
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I played the world top hundred in my echoes
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I spent years running around
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you know
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diving around tennis court and stuff like that for
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for a really long time
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and that takes a toll because it was hardcore
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and so hardcore there's a lot of
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you know things going on with your feet and
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and as I when I started to get a little bit older
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not even old you know
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like in in my 30s
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I had you know
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my feet were bothering me
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when I had to do long walks and stuff like that
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I mean four and a/2 miles is the standard golf route
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so four and a/2 miles right
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so four and a/2 miles of walking when your feet hurt
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it's the worst thing ever
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and like
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I had so many rounds where I would get done and
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you know when I first started playing golf and I just
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I couldn't take it like
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I had to get the shoes off
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and my feet were just throbbing
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and you know
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I I ran into Echo probably in
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you know 2007
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2008 2009
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whatever the year was
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it was before I started my journey really for the for
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for playing the world top hundred yeah
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as if you're doing the world's uh
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top 100
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you need to be able to trust where your clubs are going
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and never get sore feet exactly
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yeah the rest you can sort out along the way
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so just a couple of uh things about the Echo BMC5
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and his many adventures in golf have enjoyed
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echoes over the years
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but these have been designed to play
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and built for comfort so uh
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thank you very much Echo appreciate it a lot
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so I think the
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the other ones that maybe make a bit of a splash uh
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you're still waiting for a couple of courses to
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perhaps make their way into the Scottish rankings
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the big two this year were Old Petty and Trump new
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which perhaps we can have a quick word about um
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the other ones that were interesting
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let's be honest I think our
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listeners are probably bored of us speaking about that
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so much yeah yeah
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hey I mean I
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I have seen some of the other rankings
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of course
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we don't pay too much attention to what other people do
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we feel comfortable in making our decisions
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but just out of curiosity um
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I think there was
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a couple of rankings that have been brought out
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of other companies that do rankings as well
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um and I think Trump news above old petty
547
00:20:55,233 --> 00:20:57,133
uh we've gone in the inverse of that
548
00:20:57,166 --> 00:20:59,600
so old petty above Trump's new
549
00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:01,666
what I appreciate about what we did was actually
550
00:21:01,666 --> 00:21:04,366
the two of us and um
551
00:21:04,633 --> 00:21:07,766
we looked at what we got back from our
552
00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:11,433
our guys and there was a pretty consensus
553
00:21:11,433 --> 00:21:14,200
pretty strong consensus to what we agreed on
554
00:21:14,366 --> 00:21:15,766
and uh
555
00:21:16,500 --> 00:21:18,266
we never looked at another
556
00:21:18,866 --> 00:21:20,433
no another a ranking
557
00:21:20,433 --> 00:21:22,866
we just saw what was coming after and trusted our gut
558
00:21:22,866 --> 00:21:24,400
because we know what we're doing
559
00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:25,800
we it's not a bloody
560
00:21:26,033 --> 00:21:27,633
it's not rocket science it's
561
00:21:27,633 --> 00:21:29,700
this is what we think and this is how we rate it
562
00:21:29,700 --> 00:21:31,866
and there was some panelist that liked Trump
563
00:21:31,866 --> 00:21:34,900
more than old petty but overall
564
00:21:34,900 --> 00:21:35,500
um the
565
00:21:35,500 --> 00:21:37,966
the data was skewed towards old petty
566
00:21:38,033 --> 00:21:39,100
I think the other thing too
567
00:21:39,100 --> 00:21:44,266
is that we wanted to wait a little bit and not make a
568
00:21:44,266 --> 00:21:46,300
a knee jerk reaction so we
569
00:21:46,300 --> 00:21:49,466
we had people from the Scottish panel
570
00:21:49,500 --> 00:21:52,466
the GBI panel and the world panel
571
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:54,366
they'd all went to see it
572
00:21:54,366 --> 00:21:56,700
and then we we took all of their comments into account
573
00:21:56,700 --> 00:21:58,900
and then obviously a final decision was made
574
00:21:58,900 --> 00:22:00,200
it is cool um
575
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:01,866
for Scotland as a whole
576
00:22:01,866 --> 00:22:04,033
the fact that there was two new courses built this year
577
00:22:04,033 --> 00:22:06,700
they're in the discussion of whether
578
00:22:07,466 --> 00:22:09,500
we need to have the world panel going there
579
00:22:09,900 --> 00:22:11,300
well and that's the exciting bit
580
00:22:11,300 --> 00:22:13,433
and I think you know
581
00:22:13,433 --> 00:22:14,600
we've got one uh
582
00:22:15,500 --> 00:22:18,566
1 one fellow that helps us out who's very well played
583
00:22:18,966 --> 00:22:21,400
uh played amateur golf to a very high level uh
584
00:22:21,566 --> 00:22:22,766
eventually turned pro
585
00:22:23,100 --> 00:22:24,433
he says when I look at the rankings
586
00:22:24,433 --> 00:22:26,966
I kind of break it down to like groups of five
587
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:27,300
you know
588
00:22:27,300 --> 00:22:30,900
and if you if you look at where old petty and Trump are
589
00:22:31,066 --> 00:22:31,633
you know there
590
00:22:31,633 --> 00:22:33,466
there's not much between them yeah
591
00:22:33,466 --> 00:22:35,033
so well it's buckets
592
00:22:35,033 --> 00:22:37,166
so for people that don't know what the bucket system
593
00:22:37,166 --> 00:22:38,366
can you just explain it a little bit
594
00:22:38,366 --> 00:22:40,866
yeah so effectively what we do is
595
00:22:40,866 --> 00:22:42,900
because we want all of our rankings to align
596
00:22:43,166 --> 00:22:46,266
uh world panel with GBI
597
00:22:46,266 --> 00:22:47,533
Great Britain and Ireland
598
00:22:47,633 --> 00:22:49,300
and then down into the respective countries
599
00:22:49,300 --> 00:22:51,066
and then down into the county levels
600
00:22:51,166 --> 00:22:53,566
when we issue our sheets out
601
00:22:53,566 --> 00:22:55,733
our ranking sheets out to our panelists
602
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,766
what we'll oftentimes do is ask for uh
603
00:22:59,833 --> 00:23:02,433
maybe a a top 10 a top 20
604
00:23:02,433 --> 00:23:03,100
a top 50
605
00:23:03,100 --> 00:23:05,933
perhaps if our panels played all of those courses
606
00:23:06,633 --> 00:23:08,200
after that you're splitting hairs
607
00:23:08,500 --> 00:23:10,866
so for example in Scotland
608
00:23:10,866 --> 00:23:12,300
I think we made the you know
609
00:23:12,300 --> 00:23:13,366
when we were looking at it
610
00:23:13,366 --> 00:23:14,466
uh together
611
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:16,433
uh after everything came back
612
00:23:16,433 --> 00:23:20,766
once you get down to 75 from 75 to 100
613
00:23:20,766 --> 00:23:25,400
the difference in quality and caliber is
614
00:23:25,633 --> 00:23:27,800
you know you have golf courses on there that have
615
00:23:27,900 --> 00:23:29,033
nine really good holes
616
00:23:29,033 --> 00:23:31,466
and then they've got nine holes that I would
617
00:23:31,466 --> 00:23:34,266
Scotland elite to maybe 70 yeah
618
00:23:34,266 --> 00:23:37,000
and then it does take a plumber
619
00:23:37,100 --> 00:23:38,400
and it's not say
620
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,900
there's not brilliant golf at those golf courses
621
00:23:40,900 --> 00:23:42,066
and you can go and experience
622
00:23:42,066 --> 00:23:44,966
amazing golf for good value at those golf courses yeah
623
00:23:45,033 --> 00:23:45,433
it's just
624
00:23:45,433 --> 00:23:48,933
you're gonna have a section of golf that is a dud
625
00:23:49,366 --> 00:23:50,066
exactly and
626
00:23:50,066 --> 00:23:53,700
and that's where what when we ask for the the buckets
627
00:23:53,700 --> 00:23:54,933
we're effectively saying
628
00:23:54,966 --> 00:23:57,733
give us a numerical ranking from 1 to fifty
629
00:23:58,166 --> 00:24:01,366
and then your next best 10 from your point of view
630
00:24:01,366 --> 00:24:04,200
from 51 to 60 and then 61 to 70
631
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,966
the next 10 all the way down to 1 hundred uh
632
00:24:07,966 --> 00:24:08,866
and then we've also asked
633
00:24:08,866 --> 00:24:10,800
this year was the contenders lists
634
00:24:11,133 --> 00:24:11,833
so we wanted to know
635
00:24:11,833 --> 00:24:13,966
what they thought were the next 10 courses
636
00:24:14,166 --> 00:24:16,400
and once you get to about 90
637
00:24:16,566 --> 00:24:18,066
you've got courses on there that
638
00:24:18,066 --> 00:24:19,200
there's probably
639
00:24:19,366 --> 00:24:21,100
a 30 different courses that come up in conversation
640
00:24:21,100 --> 00:24:23,066
if not more if not more like it
641
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,166
so there's 100 golf course in Scotland
642
00:24:25,166 --> 00:24:27,300
that could be in the 90 to hundred bit
643
00:24:27,300 --> 00:24:30,633
and that's the point and I think it's quite exciting
644
00:24:30,633 --> 00:24:32,400
especially when the um
645
00:24:32,766 --> 00:24:35,233
the England rankings come out uh
646
00:24:35,233 --> 00:24:36,300
you've had a look at those
647
00:24:36,300 --> 00:24:39,033
the the turnover from like 90 to 100
648
00:24:39,033 --> 00:24:41,000
or even 85 to 100 is quite
649
00:24:41,033 --> 00:24:43,066
quite big so
650
00:24:43,066 --> 00:24:44,966
but it's nice to see different courses coming in
651
00:24:44,966 --> 00:24:47,566
I feel like that happens every time
652
00:24:47,566 --> 00:24:49,500
for every ranking ever it's always
653
00:24:49,500 --> 00:24:53,166
I always remember seeing certain golf courses come in
654
00:24:53,166 --> 00:24:56,400
certain golf courses come out and it was actually um
655
00:24:56,433 --> 00:24:59,466
I remember when I first started doing the GBI
656
00:25:00,233 --> 00:25:01,933
aim for the GBI ranking
657
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:04,266
if you didn't pick a year
658
00:25:04,566 --> 00:25:06,766
you'd go and play two or three courses in Dorset
659
00:25:06,766 --> 00:25:08,100
or something and the next thing you know
660
00:25:08,100 --> 00:25:10,000
they're not in it the next year yeah
661
00:25:11,633 --> 00:25:12,466
so and that's
662
00:25:12,466 --> 00:25:15,333
I think that's a good point is that the calibre of golf
663
00:25:15,466 --> 00:25:20,100
I think the one thing that we found is in Ireland the
664
00:25:20,100 --> 00:25:22,500
the ranking probably top 30
665
00:25:22,500 --> 00:25:24,100
pretty elite golf Scotland
666
00:25:24,100 --> 00:25:27,466
you're looking at 50 to 70 are really
667
00:25:27,466 --> 00:25:28,633
really good uh
668
00:25:28,633 --> 00:25:30,233
England though is next level
669
00:25:30,233 --> 00:25:32,300
the amount of golf in England very deep
670
00:25:32,300 --> 00:25:34,866
you get up to 100 and you're still picking between
671
00:25:34,866 --> 00:25:36,800
really good golf courses that make it in
672
00:25:36,900 --> 00:25:38,600
so but look
673
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,000
that's the nature of rankings
674
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:41,666
um did we get it right
675
00:25:41,666 --> 00:25:43,566
we did our best um
676
00:25:43,566 --> 00:25:44,900
the nature of these things is that
677
00:25:44,900 --> 00:25:47,266
things change and evolve um
678
00:25:47,266 --> 00:25:50,000
you can't be everywhere all the time to see everything
679
00:25:50,433 --> 00:25:52,500
but I think the exciting thing about Top 100 is that
680
00:25:52,500 --> 00:25:53,333
we've done
681
00:25:54,033 --> 00:25:56,700
a really good job over the last year or so
682
00:25:56,766 --> 00:25:59,000
of bringing in a lot more people
683
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:00,266
into the panel
684
00:26:00,766 --> 00:26:03,400
and last year you played a lot of golf in Scotland
685
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,200
over the last year
686
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,300
what uh golf course surprised you the most
687
00:26:08,300 --> 00:26:10,366
so Elie's one that surprised me
688
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:11,466
um
689
00:26:12,233 --> 00:26:13,066
obviously it's it's
690
00:26:13,066 --> 00:26:15,600
it's getting that cult kind of following
691
00:26:15,833 --> 00:26:19,233
um a lot of the bigger kind of social media
692
00:26:19,233 --> 00:26:22,200
golf nerd architecture type brands
693
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:23,666
I think it's because they listen to the podcast
694
00:26:23,666 --> 00:26:24,500
the last three years
695
00:26:24,500 --> 00:26:26,300
I've been shouting about how good it is
696
00:26:26,500 --> 00:26:27,466
they've been listening to you
697
00:26:27,466 --> 00:26:30,800
eventually and hopefully it's now become
698
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:32,500
it's now become the hipster classic
699
00:26:32,633 --> 00:26:35,800
it is and and the new North Berwick as they call it
700
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,300
yeah the the first time I played it
701
00:26:37,300 --> 00:26:39,500
I I liked it cause it was different
702
00:26:39,500 --> 00:26:41,833
I think there's a couple holes out there where like
703
00:26:41,833 --> 00:26:42,666
if you're really critical
704
00:26:42,666 --> 00:26:43,666
you look at and you say oh
705
00:26:43,666 --> 00:26:45,666
if you play that hole this way as opposed to that way
706
00:26:45,666 --> 00:26:47,133
I'm thinking about the seaside holes
707
00:26:47,500 --> 00:26:48,833
um yeah
708
00:26:48,833 --> 00:26:50,866
and then the backdrop some of the par threes
709
00:26:50,866 --> 00:26:53,633
but again you're being hypercritical of a golf course
710
00:26:53,633 --> 00:26:55,466
that was laid out you know
711
00:26:55,466 --> 00:26:59,666
120 years ago or more and hasn't really changed
712
00:26:59,666 --> 00:27:01,733
and just it is what it is
713
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:02,833
and it's absolutely brilliant
714
00:27:02,833 --> 00:27:03,666
I think the green sites
715
00:27:03,666 --> 00:27:05,366
especially the ones that run away from you
716
00:27:05,433 --> 00:27:07,600
that's something that you don't see very often
717
00:27:07,833 --> 00:27:10,300
and it's so good if you play it in the summer
718
00:27:10,300 --> 00:27:11,933
when it's burnt out and fast
719
00:27:12,233 --> 00:27:14,100
and you have to think about where you land your ball
720
00:27:14,100 --> 00:27:15,366
so that it rolls onto the green
721
00:27:15,366 --> 00:27:16,633
and you're thinking about like 20
722
00:27:16,633 --> 00:27:19,966
30 maybe more yards on some holes in front of the green
723
00:27:19,966 --> 00:27:21,666
to where you have to land your ball
724
00:27:21,866 --> 00:27:24,333
that type of golf is so special
725
00:27:24,466 --> 00:27:26,366
and it's a type of golf that I don't think
726
00:27:26,366 --> 00:27:29,100
most people that are coming from overseas
727
00:27:29,466 --> 00:27:31,400
as one myself um
728
00:27:31,866 --> 00:27:33,400
when I moved here in 2009
729
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:34,900
and started playing links golf
730
00:27:35,433 --> 00:27:37,666
you know I'd never seen anything like Eli
731
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,766
no one's but there's not many things like Eli right
732
00:27:40,766 --> 00:27:42,666
the one of the things that
733
00:27:42,666 --> 00:27:43,900
if you ever had a Twitter
734
00:27:43,900 --> 00:27:45,500
that was overheard in the clubhouse right
735
00:27:45,500 --> 00:27:46,400
so it
736
00:27:46,466 --> 00:27:49,166
one of the things that you'd always hear not about
737
00:27:49,166 --> 00:27:49,866
not about Eli
738
00:27:49,866 --> 00:27:53,233
but in any clubhouse when they talk about a golf course
739
00:27:53,233 --> 00:27:53,566
that oh
740
00:27:53,566 --> 00:27:55,866
there's too many blind shots or there's a
741
00:27:55,866 --> 00:27:57,733
there's no chance you can get close
742
00:27:57,900 --> 00:28:00,100
but that guy's probably just trying to put a wedge high
743
00:28:00,100 --> 00:28:01,666
and land it next to the pin
744
00:28:01,666 --> 00:28:04,566
it's like you're not thinking about your game
745
00:28:04,566 --> 00:28:05,966
exactly also chess game
746
00:28:05,966 --> 00:28:08,166
yeah and I think that's the thing the
747
00:28:08,166 --> 00:28:09,766
the cerebral side of the game
748
00:28:09,766 --> 00:28:12,266
so the ability to see options
749
00:28:12,266 --> 00:28:15,966
where they're not necessarily hitting you in the face
750
00:28:16,066 --> 00:28:16,433
I think
751
00:28:16,433 --> 00:28:19,133
that's what really makes a course like that special
752
00:28:19,266 --> 00:28:19,800
um I mean
753
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:21,500
you start off with a blind shot
754
00:28:22,066 --> 00:28:26,166
um and then it just gets like more quirky from there
755
00:28:26,633 --> 00:28:28,166
so yeah Eli was really good
756
00:28:28,166 --> 00:28:29,800
the other one that was um
757
00:28:30,066 --> 00:28:30,900
I really enjoyed
758
00:28:30,900 --> 00:28:33,300
we played together actually was a boat of Garten
759
00:28:33,633 --> 00:28:39,466
that was I had heard how mental the ground was that
760
00:28:39,466 --> 00:28:41,633
that it was more rambunctious than
761
00:28:41,633 --> 00:28:44,166
than even most links golf courses and I
762
00:28:44,566 --> 00:28:45,500
I didn't really believe it
763
00:28:45,500 --> 00:28:47,400
I thought it was a bit of a myth
764
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,100
we played in pretty much winter
765
00:28:49,566 --> 00:28:51,666
this is in the centre of the Highlands right
766
00:28:51,666 --> 00:28:54,200
so this is down the A9 yeah yeah
767
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,833
this is next to the ski resorts of Scotland
768
00:28:56,833 --> 00:28:58,866
it was yeah and um
769
00:28:58,866 --> 00:29:00,733
it was firm as hell mmm hmm
770
00:29:00,766 --> 00:29:02,766
firm as hell I
771
00:29:02,766 --> 00:29:04,266
I immensely enjoyed yeah
772
00:29:04,266 --> 00:29:06,433
that that was uh enjoyed it immensely
773
00:29:06,433 --> 00:29:10,533
that that was a cracking experience um
774
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:12,600
try to think of some of the other courses
775
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,366
obviously Cabot I enjoyed Trump
776
00:29:15,366 --> 00:29:16,800
Trump knew I enjoyed as well
777
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:18,700
it was good to see something completely different
778
00:29:18,700 --> 00:29:21,200
you got you got absolutely beaten up
779
00:29:21,466 --> 00:29:23,500
we need to tell them the story OK
780
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,466
we need to so it's not Trump news fault
781
00:29:27,466 --> 00:29:30,300
it's uh very much our fault for being crap at golf
782
00:29:30,300 --> 00:29:32,300
but the main reason is
783
00:29:32,300 --> 00:29:35,100
because when you have a golf course that's just open
784
00:29:35,100 --> 00:29:37,633
brand new you need to thicken up
785
00:29:37,633 --> 00:29:38,833
you have to have thick rough
786
00:29:38,833 --> 00:29:41,700
cause you need to grow it thick to be able to then
787
00:29:42,300 --> 00:29:43,400
cut it back
788
00:29:44,033 --> 00:29:46,800
and so it was new laid turf that was being cut
789
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,866
and so it's not their fault at all and uh
790
00:29:49,866 --> 00:29:52,600
for some reason the width there is massive
791
00:29:52,633 --> 00:29:54,800
and we step on the first tee expecting
792
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:55,766
you know let's yeah
793
00:29:55,766 --> 00:29:56,666
we're gonna do alright yeah
794
00:29:56,666 --> 00:29:59,000
let's shoot 75 and what did you do Jasper
795
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,633
uh I think I lost three balls on the first hole
796
00:30:01,633 --> 00:30:04,033
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha yeah
797
00:30:04,033 --> 00:30:04,633
it's pretty dicey
798
00:30:04,633 --> 00:30:06,633
I don't remember how many golf balls I had in my bag
799
00:30:06,633 --> 00:30:09,033
but I was definitely like walking along the
800
00:30:09,033 --> 00:30:11,966
the rough line just just in case
801
00:30:12,233 --> 00:30:14,566
I stumbled across someone else's ball that I could like
802
00:30:14,566 --> 00:30:16,900
put in the bag got a glimmer of hope hahaha
803
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,266
I think we hit on to the we were on the 4th or fifth
804
00:30:22,033 --> 00:30:24,466
yeah fourth and this ball appeared
805
00:30:24,466 --> 00:30:26,800
it was just like lying in the middle of the Fairway
806
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,200
and there's a sat and there's a Dune down your left
807
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,100
and then there's six holes on the other side
808
00:30:32,266 --> 00:30:34,666
and Jasper got very tempted by that ball yeah
809
00:30:34,666 --> 00:30:36,266
I was gonna nick it it wasn't even a good one
810
00:30:36,266 --> 00:30:38,200
it wasn't like a nice shiny new Pro V1
811
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,466
it was a a shrikson a D 3 3 3 or something like that
812
00:30:41,466 --> 00:30:42,833
but uh yeah
813
00:30:42,833 --> 00:30:44,366
but you never steal anything in your life
814
00:30:44,366 --> 00:30:45,400
it shows you the gravity of man
815
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,766
I got desperate the gravity of man
816
00:30:47,766 --> 00:30:50,633
I wanted to finish the best thing about it was when on
817
00:30:50,633 --> 00:30:52,566
when we're on the sixth hole and you
818
00:30:52,566 --> 00:30:54,000
found a noodle in the bunker
819
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,066
yeah and I was tempted
820
00:30:55,066 --> 00:30:56,366
but you weren't that deprived
821
00:30:56,366 --> 00:30:57,033
no no
822
00:30:57,033 --> 00:30:58,833
I have to draw the line at some point
823
00:30:58,833 --> 00:31:00,666
and still maintain my dignity
824
00:31:03,066 --> 00:31:04,766
but yeah it was a rough start
825
00:31:04,766 --> 00:31:06,600
um I would say it was windy
826
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,733
but now it sounds like I'm making excuses
827
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:10,066
but like you say it's
828
00:31:10,066 --> 00:31:11,966
I think a lot of times um
829
00:31:12,166 --> 00:31:13,733
you're right in
830
00:31:14,266 --> 00:31:15,800
when you're growing something in
831
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,300
and you're just putting a shed load of water
832
00:31:18,300 --> 00:31:20,833
on a golf course the grass can get quite thick
833
00:31:20,833 --> 00:31:22,300
especially on the perimeters of the fairways
834
00:31:22,300 --> 00:31:24,200
we saw a lizard today yeah
835
00:31:24,433 --> 00:31:27,300
if you go into the new Junes at Lytham
836
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,433
the rough is unbearably thick
837
00:31:29,433 --> 00:31:31,866
yeah but that's cause they need to let it grow in
838
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:32,866
yeah and in time
839
00:31:32,866 --> 00:31:34,600
it'll all get dealt with knocked down and
840
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,000
you know thin out and all the rest of it
841
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:36,800
and then you'll be able to play
842
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:37,300
it's a yes
843
00:31:37,300 --> 00:31:38,500
nothing to do with no
844
00:31:38,500 --> 00:31:39,000
no them
845
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,633
but it was good I mean
846
00:31:40,633 --> 00:31:42,866
I think yeah Cabot
847
00:31:42,866 --> 00:31:44,833
Cabot was one it was nice to see
848
00:31:44,833 --> 00:31:46,533
um there was no rough at Cabot
849
00:31:46,566 --> 00:31:47,866
no and that was interesting
850
00:31:47,866 --> 00:31:49,433
I mean I think the big thing for me
851
00:31:49,433 --> 00:31:51,066
at Cabot was knowing that
852
00:31:51,066 --> 00:31:52,266
when they built that golf course
853
00:31:52,266 --> 00:31:54,000
they effectively had to remove
854
00:31:54,833 --> 00:31:57,133
a layer of clay across the whole thing
855
00:31:57,366 --> 00:31:58,900
uh the sand was underneath it
856
00:31:58,900 --> 00:32:00,233
they took that out
857
00:32:00,233 --> 00:32:03,166
and then they effectively had to reshape
858
00:32:03,166 --> 00:32:05,566
the entire golf course um
859
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,000
but when you go across that golf course
860
00:32:08,466 --> 00:32:11,533
and you look at the contours in the fairways
861
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,300
it it's impossible to see
862
00:32:14,433 --> 00:32:16,500
you know what they've done where they've been
863
00:32:16,500 --> 00:32:19,566
what they've shaped and then you realize that no
864
00:32:19,566 --> 00:32:22,433
all of it's been shaped I mean that's
865
00:32:22,433 --> 00:32:24,100
that's pretty spectacular yeah
866
00:32:24,100 --> 00:32:27,233
so I think from a construction point of view
867
00:32:27,233 --> 00:32:29,766
that was definitely a highlight uh
868
00:32:29,766 --> 00:32:31,200
to see what can be done
869
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:32,900
by people that know what they're doing
870
00:32:33,066 --> 00:32:34,800
that the level of skill
871
00:32:34,966 --> 00:32:37,400
if they're given time and resource
872
00:32:37,700 --> 00:32:39,633
to produce something special
873
00:32:39,633 --> 00:32:42,700
the quality of work that you can get
874
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:44,400
um is
875
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,766
is phenomenal so shout out to
876
00:32:46,766 --> 00:32:49,100
to Chris and Clyde for for their hand in that
877
00:32:49,100 --> 00:32:50,200
I know both of them were there
878
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,366
and spent ridiculous amount of time on the machines
879
00:32:53,366 --> 00:32:54,533
massaging that place
880
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,366
um they've done a great job the
881
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:01,633
the ability to marry in farmland into what is built
882
00:33:01,633 --> 00:33:03,233
tune land is really impressive
883
00:33:03,233 --> 00:33:05,200
and they've done a great job yeah
884
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,533
and so from a construction quality point of view
885
00:33:07,566 --> 00:33:10,500
I think that's definitely a highlight um
886
00:33:10,500 --> 00:33:13,600
as far as the rest of it's a really nice walk as well
887
00:33:13,766 --> 00:33:14,433
it is yeah
888
00:33:14,433 --> 00:33:15,433
I mean you know
889
00:33:15,433 --> 00:33:16,400
you talk you know
890
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,133
Tom Doak's famous quote is
891
00:33:18,166 --> 00:33:19,300
you know if it's a good routing
892
00:33:19,300 --> 00:33:21,100
it's kind of where you would
893
00:33:21,300 --> 00:33:22,600
go for a walk with your dog
894
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,666
if you just had to go walk through the
895
00:33:24,666 --> 00:33:26,900
the property and it is true
896
00:33:26,900 --> 00:33:27,400
you know you
897
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:31,000
you kind of walk out and you kind of come to the edge
898
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:32,366
walk down three
899
00:33:33,033 --> 00:33:35,066
walk out to the the Bay
900
00:33:35,266 --> 00:33:37,233
turn around walk back in
901
00:33:37,233 --> 00:33:38,033
up over the Highland
902
00:33:38,033 --> 00:33:40,300
back and then back where you've come from it
903
00:33:40,300 --> 00:33:42,100
it's a it's a brilliant walk uh
904
00:33:42,100 --> 00:33:44,200
it reminds me a little bit of the
905
00:33:44,366 --> 00:33:47,733
it's like almost a hybrid of the routing from well
906
00:33:48,466 --> 00:33:49,466
uh Tarawera
907
00:33:49,566 --> 00:33:52,500
Saint Patrick's and uh
908
00:33:52,500 --> 00:33:53,966
maybe a bit of Crewe and Bay
909
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,400
it's not like uh that man built to others
910
00:33:59,033 --> 00:34:00,800
so yeah it's an interesting one
911
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:01,166
but I think
912
00:34:01,166 --> 00:34:03,266
the more you see from these various architects
913
00:34:03,266 --> 00:34:04,766
you know you start to uh
914
00:34:05,666 --> 00:34:07,033
you start to see similarities
915
00:34:07,033 --> 00:34:09,000
or how they've approached various features
916
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,100
and how they've overcome them
917
00:34:10,100 --> 00:34:11,633
and what works but that's also
918
00:34:11,633 --> 00:34:13,633
what makes the study of golf course architecture
919
00:34:13,633 --> 00:34:14,700
really interesting
920
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,200
is because you can do that for a modern architect
921
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:18,733
who's still practicing and Tom Doak
922
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:20,600
but then you can also look at
923
00:34:20,700 --> 00:34:21,433
you know the
924
00:34:21,433 --> 00:34:23,200
the legends like you know
925
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,100
Colter Mackenzie you look at their best work
926
00:34:26,166 --> 00:34:27,866
and what they did to make it great
927
00:34:27,866 --> 00:34:29,866
who do you think Scotland's best architect
928
00:34:30,900 --> 00:34:31,566
you know what we
929
00:34:31,566 --> 00:34:33,266
we spoke about this um
930
00:34:33,266 --> 00:34:35,833
I would have to say and this might be controversial
931
00:34:35,833 --> 00:34:38,366
but when you actually look at the facts uh
932
00:34:38,366 --> 00:34:39,333
James Braid
933
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:41,566
well he did
934
00:34:41,633 --> 00:34:46,366
a lot of people don't give him justice for quality of
935
00:34:46,366 --> 00:34:48,400
his top level is work
936
00:34:48,433 --> 00:34:50,833
he also did a lot for small village golf
937
00:34:50,833 --> 00:34:52,633
yep he would go in and
938
00:34:52,633 --> 00:34:54,400
support places that didn't have the funding
939
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:55,433
teach them how to do things
940
00:34:55,433 --> 00:34:56,866
so they could build their own golf course
941
00:34:56,866 --> 00:34:59,233
and then he was branded as a great course
942
00:34:59,233 --> 00:35:01,333
yeah and I think
943
00:35:01,466 --> 00:35:04,133
Brad gets the reputation of
944
00:35:04,633 --> 00:35:07,500
being prolific and doing low quality work
945
00:35:07,966 --> 00:35:10,800
um I think when you look at the facts
946
00:35:11,433 --> 00:35:14,033
what you realize is that often times
947
00:35:14,033 --> 00:35:18,133
he was probably the most generous in his time
948
00:35:18,300 --> 00:35:21,266
and didn't necessarily charge the most
949
00:35:21,366 --> 00:35:24,300
I know even from courses that I've researched um
950
00:35:24,700 --> 00:35:27,166
you know Colton Simpson
951
00:35:27,700 --> 00:35:31,300
they were from a certain stature in society
952
00:35:31,300 --> 00:35:35,200
they ran in certain circles and they charged
953
00:35:36,300 --> 00:35:36,800
you know yeah
954
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,033
according to you know
955
00:35:38,033 --> 00:35:39,000
where where they were
956
00:35:39,033 --> 00:35:40,700
they had London prices yeah
957
00:35:40,700 --> 00:35:42,266
exactly and now London
958
00:35:42,266 --> 00:35:44,666
the 20s was center of the world and
959
00:35:44,666 --> 00:35:48,700
and so that's where I think braid traveled
960
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,566
you know near and far and wasn't uh
961
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,933
wasn't exorbitant in his in his costings
962
00:35:55,233 --> 00:35:57,566
so I think he probably got more work than most
963
00:35:57,566 --> 00:35:59,200
but if you look at the the really
964
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:03,666
really top end of braids work
965
00:36:03,666 --> 00:36:05,166
it's it's impressive
966
00:36:05,166 --> 00:36:06,200
how about Willy Park
967
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,000
yeah I mean the
968
00:36:09,100 --> 00:36:10,200
I think that's the other thing too
969
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,500
is that I think Willy Park's underrated
970
00:36:12,500 --> 00:36:13,633
he's been forgotten about
971
00:36:13,633 --> 00:36:14,700
he's been underrated and forgotten about
972
00:36:14,966 --> 00:36:16,600
and the other thing about Willy Park is
973
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,300
I think after he built Huntercombe
974
00:36:18,633 --> 00:36:21,500
he he definitely overspent uh
975
00:36:21,500 --> 00:36:23,166
on the club not necessarily on the course
976
00:36:23,166 --> 00:36:25,333
but like on the club and all of the peripheries
977
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:26,466
I think he had
978
00:36:26,500 --> 00:36:28,800
he was the first one to import a Mercedes
979
00:36:29,100 --> 00:36:29,966
you know it
980
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:31,966
he was spending money at Huntercombe
981
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:33,800
like no one had seen before
982
00:36:34,033 --> 00:36:37,233
and he effectively went broke uh
983
00:36:37,233 --> 00:36:39,100
and then that's why he had to go stateside
984
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,866
but I think some of Willie Park's best work is overseas
985
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,066
and what's amazing about Willie Park is that
986
00:36:45,066 --> 00:36:47,733
you know coming from Scotland down into England
987
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,133
laying out Sunningdale old
988
00:36:50,300 --> 00:36:51,500
moving to Huntercombe
989
00:36:52,166 --> 00:36:53,533
doing work around London
990
00:36:53,666 --> 00:36:56,733
then he emigrates to North America
991
00:36:56,833 --> 00:36:59,733
and he got as far as we know for sure Calgary
992
00:36:59,866 --> 00:37:01,800
she's in Canada of like 500
993
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,100
why would you want to go to a place like that
994
00:37:03,100 --> 00:37:04,100
I it's terrible
995
00:37:04,100 --> 00:37:04,966
I hahaha
996
00:37:05,066 --> 00:37:07,400
yeah it's be a preaching to the converted hahaha
997
00:37:08,833 --> 00:37:12,500
so but is she not involved in places like Chinook
998
00:37:12,500 --> 00:37:15,066
was he not around when Chinook Hills was being built
999
00:37:15,066 --> 00:37:16,566
and different things he
1000
00:37:16,566 --> 00:37:18,966
he definitely had a part in a lot of the big
1001
00:37:18,966 --> 00:37:20,966
kind of northeast clubs
1002
00:37:21,166 --> 00:37:23,700
and I think that's the thing where in America
1003
00:37:23,700 --> 00:37:24,400
they might have an
1004
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,000
a deeper appreciation for Willie Park Jr
1005
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:28,966
than we do even here
1006
00:37:28,966 --> 00:37:31,366
because it's a little bit like Mackenzie
1007
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,100
I think if you looked at Mackenzie's body of work
1008
00:37:34,433 --> 00:37:35,266
um
1009
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,466
in but Mackenzie over here
1010
00:37:38,466 --> 00:37:40,533
never did anything like Sunningdale Old
1011
00:37:40,766 --> 00:37:42,333
or Huntercombe
1012
00:37:42,433 --> 00:37:45,433
whatever he found on the way to Australia yeah
1013
00:37:45,433 --> 00:37:46,500
so when he got to Australia
1014
00:37:46,500 --> 00:37:47,400
New Zealand and then
1015
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,266
he made it to the west coast of the United States
1016
00:37:50,666 --> 00:37:53,733
whatever he was drinking on that ship ride
1017
00:37:54,066 --> 00:37:56,233
I mean if you could bottle and sell that he
1018
00:37:56,233 --> 00:37:58,566
he he reached another level
1019
00:37:58,766 --> 00:38:00,833
and I think I think that's the thing rum
1020
00:38:00,833 --> 00:38:02,266
it's probably rum probably rum
1021
00:38:02,966 --> 00:38:05,266
gin and tonic get the malaria away yeah
1022
00:38:05,266 --> 00:38:06,766
on the way to India it definitely would have been
1023
00:38:06,766 --> 00:38:08,700
turns out if you wanna be a great uh
1024
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,600
great architect of golf uh
1025
00:38:10,900 --> 00:38:13,466
and please just drink lots of gin tonic yeah
1026
00:38:13,466 --> 00:38:14,866
I'm trying my best James
1027
00:38:15,466 --> 00:38:17,933
I think about malaria it's definitely cause of malaria
1028
00:38:18,666 --> 00:38:19,266
so yeah I
1029
00:38:19,266 --> 00:38:20,266
I would have to say
1030
00:38:20,266 --> 00:38:22,166
without putting too fine of a point on it
1031
00:38:22,166 --> 00:38:25,600
I think and I think he could make a pretty substantial
1032
00:38:25,666 --> 00:38:28,400
uh substantive claim to say that uh
1033
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,233
braid was the best Scottish architect
1034
00:38:31,233 --> 00:38:32,800
even looking at current rankings
1035
00:38:33,266 --> 00:38:34,033
um I mean
1036
00:38:34,033 --> 00:38:36,266
obviously the two headliners would be Carnuistie
1037
00:38:36,700 --> 00:38:38,566
um not as a new build
1038
00:38:38,566 --> 00:38:40,633
but he made it what it is for
1039
00:38:40,633 --> 00:38:42,500
for honest and then Saint Enedoc
1040
00:38:42,866 --> 00:38:44,300
um but yeah
1041
00:38:44,300 --> 00:38:47,766
oh the one that I think is underrated
1042
00:38:48,166 --> 00:38:50,166
and not given enough love
1043
00:38:50,166 --> 00:38:51,566
because I think they've
1044
00:38:51,766 --> 00:38:53,633
lost the essence of the course of Reba
1045
00:38:53,633 --> 00:38:54,800
is king uh
1046
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:55,800
Glen Eagles Kings
1047
00:38:56,633 --> 00:38:58,133
when you if anyone
1048
00:38:59,100 --> 00:39:00,266
go play Gleneagles Kings
1049
00:39:00,266 --> 00:39:04,233
and tell me that the bunkering and the green sites
1050
00:39:04,233 --> 00:39:06,266
and the way it sits on that ground isn't wholly
1051
00:39:06,266 --> 00:39:07,633
unique to Gleneagles Kings
1052
00:39:07,633 --> 00:39:10,200
and very very attractive on the eye
1053
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,033
yeah it's incredible and
1054
00:39:12,033 --> 00:39:13,100
and I think that's the thing
1055
00:39:13,100 --> 00:39:16,000
what I really love about Gleneagles Kings is
1056
00:39:16,066 --> 00:39:16,833
you know we said this
1057
00:39:16,833 --> 00:39:17,766
this morning even
1058
00:39:18,066 --> 00:39:20,700
you get to a piece of links land
1059
00:39:20,700 --> 00:39:22,266
that's completely random
1060
00:39:22,466 --> 00:39:28,100
and you look at some of the bunkering green sites
1061
00:39:28,566 --> 00:39:31,500
and some of them most of them
1062
00:39:31,500 --> 00:39:32,566
a lot of it
1063
00:39:32,566 --> 00:39:34,866
especially in this part of the world is cookie cutter
1064
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:36,266
they all start to look the same
1065
00:39:36,266 --> 00:39:38,000
yup you have sand scrapes
1066
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,566
you have top line edges and bunkers
1067
00:39:40,566 --> 00:39:43,866
you've got bunkers that don't tie into dunes
1068
00:39:44,300 --> 00:39:47,266
um it's almost like they've taken in a lorry of sand
1069
00:39:47,266 --> 00:39:48,166
dumped it on the Fairway
1070
00:39:48,166 --> 00:39:49,800
and then cut out a revetted bunker
1071
00:39:50,100 --> 00:39:55,800
it's it's shameful that you have bunkers
1072
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,666
where there's not a lot of variety in size
1073
00:39:57,666 --> 00:39:59,600
shape or in character
1074
00:40:00,166 --> 00:40:02,766
um they all face the same way as well
1075
00:40:03,500 --> 00:40:04,366
it it
1076
00:40:04,366 --> 00:40:08,733
it's sad because you you have these amazing tapestries
1077
00:40:08,833 --> 00:40:09,900
uh to put golf on
1078
00:40:09,900 --> 00:40:12,866
but to to bring this back to Gleneagles Kings
1079
00:40:13,233 --> 00:40:15,800
if I showed you one picture of one bunker
1080
00:40:16,133 --> 00:40:18,266
at Gleneagles Kings you would say to me
1081
00:40:18,266 --> 00:40:20,700
that's Gleneagles Kings and
1082
00:40:20,866 --> 00:40:21,700
you know if you
1083
00:40:21,700 --> 00:40:23,000
if you ever had an opportunity
1084
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:24,600
brave ass routing as well
1085
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:28,266
imagine going to your big hotel group
1086
00:40:28,633 --> 00:40:31,800
who's wanting to load of holiday people to come around
1087
00:40:31,966 --> 00:40:34,500
and you point to the third hole and you go yes
1088
00:40:34,500 --> 00:40:35,866
see that thing
1089
00:40:35,866 --> 00:40:37,500
we're gonna climb it we're going over there yeah
1090
00:40:37,500 --> 00:40:40,366
exactly we're going over the top with Hickory's well
1091
00:40:40,500 --> 00:40:42,400
and that's the thing even the first hole it's like
1092
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,000
oh yeah nice easy drive and then you're like
1093
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:44,633
oh where's the green
1094
00:40:44,633 --> 00:40:45,033
it's like oh
1095
00:40:45,033 --> 00:40:47,900
it's 40 feet up that right there on that ledge and
1096
00:40:47,900 --> 00:40:48,900
and it's yeah
1097
00:40:48,900 --> 00:40:52,566
it's it's an amazingly ambitious golf course uh
1098
00:40:52,566 --> 00:40:56,900
but it's it's relatively easy to play it there's width
1099
00:40:56,900 --> 00:40:59,000
there's width um and
1100
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:00,033
and that's even now
1101
00:41:00,033 --> 00:41:01,966
I mean when you look at the old pictures
1102
00:41:02,100 --> 00:41:04,600
the amount of bracket on that golf course is incredible
1103
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,800
um and I'm thinking of head girdle
1104
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,533
there's pictures of the like the the volcano par three
1105
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:13,633
and I mean there's bunkers that are
1106
00:41:13,633 --> 00:41:16,166
that's hidden by Bracken now um
1107
00:41:16,166 --> 00:41:19,400
and it's still it's quite a big part 3 like you
1108
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:20,800
you don't get up there and think well
1109
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:21,966
I have to thread a needle to even
1110
00:41:21,966 --> 00:41:23,300
get this to stay on the green
1111
00:41:23,566 --> 00:41:25,300
it's quite generous uh
1112
00:41:25,300 --> 00:41:27,400
but the width that they had built into that course
1113
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:28,000
was incredible
1114
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,966
that would be one course I would love to see
1115
00:41:30,033 --> 00:41:32,466
even just moan out to it yeah
1116
00:41:32,466 --> 00:41:35,000
but I think that's if you're an architect
1117
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,200
and you have an opportunity to put your
1118
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,733
your fingerprint on a golf course
1119
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,533
whether that's a new build renovation restoration
1120
00:41:45,500 --> 00:41:47,066
if it's restoration obviously
1121
00:41:47,066 --> 00:41:48,033
we want it to look like
1122
00:41:48,033 --> 00:41:49,266
the way it did when it was built
1123
00:41:49,266 --> 00:41:50,700
that's why you're restoring it
1124
00:41:52,266 --> 00:41:55,500
but being able to
1125
00:41:56,466 --> 00:42:01,533
give a golf course a unique personality and character
1126
00:42:03,166 --> 00:42:04,733
and I think that's the thing
1127
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,900
you have so many architects now that are practicing
1128
00:42:08,233 --> 00:42:13,266
that are so reliant on the same two or three companies
1129
00:42:13,266 --> 00:42:15,733
and they're not unfortunately
1130
00:42:16,166 --> 00:42:17,866
um either on site enough
1131
00:42:17,866 --> 00:42:20,966
I don't know or switched on enough
1132
00:42:21,633 --> 00:42:26,100
to expect anything different from whatever's just been
1133
00:42:26,100 --> 00:42:28,033
you think about those three braid courses
1134
00:42:28,033 --> 00:42:29,600
you're talking about sandok
1135
00:42:30,066 --> 00:42:30,800
uh clinicos
1136
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,266
kings and um
1137
00:42:32,966 --> 00:42:33,566
what was it carnuisty
1138
00:42:33,566 --> 00:42:34,366
carnuisty
1139
00:42:34,833 --> 00:42:36,700
they have personality absolutely
1140
00:42:36,700 --> 00:42:38,833
they have they are the essence of what they are
1141
00:42:38,833 --> 00:42:40,033
and there's nothing like them
1142
00:42:40,033 --> 00:42:40,833
yep
1143
00:42:41,166 --> 00:42:43,066
and if you took a picture of and for
1144
00:42:43,066 --> 00:42:44,766
and it but that's a good example
1145
00:42:44,866 --> 00:42:45,800
nowadays
1146
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,633
you could have an architect working on three courses
1147
00:42:48,633 --> 00:42:49,500
like that
1148
00:42:50,233 --> 00:42:52,266
and they're using the same company to
1149
00:42:52,266 --> 00:42:54,066
to build to shape
1150
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,400
and the bunkers that you would get on course a
1151
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,266
are the same as course B and the course C and
1152
00:43:00,266 --> 00:43:02,366
and it's a shame um
1153
00:43:02,366 --> 00:43:03,900
you know you look at some of the old pictures
1154
00:43:03,900 --> 00:43:06,400
of what was done at you know
1155
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,066
even cults courses you
1156
00:43:08,066 --> 00:43:10,700
you look at a course like Saint George's Hill
1157
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:12,400
Wentworth East and west
1158
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,766
and even some of the you hate to say it
1159
00:43:15,766 --> 00:43:18,866
but like the B list stuff like your tandridges
1160
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:21,866
every course was different
1161
00:43:22,100 --> 00:43:23,866
so this whole notion of like
1162
00:43:23,866 --> 00:43:25,966
oh that's a cult bunker
1163
00:43:26,100 --> 00:43:28,733
what do you mean by that yeah it's like
1164
00:43:29,966 --> 00:43:31,166
Cole and
1165
00:43:31,166 --> 00:43:32,200
all the good architects
1166
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:33,566
were able to look at a piece of land
1167
00:43:33,566 --> 00:43:35,866
and give a course character and personality
1168
00:43:35,866 --> 00:43:39,666
and that's something that I find is definitely lacking
1169
00:43:39,933 --> 00:43:42,100
in a lot of practitioners of
1170
00:43:42,100 --> 00:43:47,300
of the of the craft uh especially here in the UK
1171
00:43:47,433 --> 00:43:48,600
I second that
1172
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:50,000
and I think I might just leave it on that
1173
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,566
cause that's a bit of a Mike drop moment yeah
1174
00:43:53,566 --> 00:43:54,833
don't drop the mic explosion
1175
00:43:54,833 --> 00:43:55,633
oh yeah sorry
1176
00:43:56,833 --> 00:43:58,766
last one you threw down I broke yeah
1177
00:43:58,766 --> 00:43:59,766
I got on my yeah
1178
00:43:59,766 --> 00:44:01,766
soapbox and threw it across the room
1179
00:44:03,833 --> 00:44:06,100
but thank you very much to everyone who's listened uh
1180
00:44:06,100 --> 00:44:08,000
I know that's a bit of a Mike drop moment
1181
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,866
and Jasper's gonna be out on uh
1182
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:12,133
Southport and in deal
1183
00:44:12,166 --> 00:44:14,266
wondering how he can edit that bit out
1184
00:44:14,266 --> 00:44:15,200
but hahaha
1185
00:44:15,900 --> 00:44:17,400
thanks very much to everyone who's listened
1186
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:18,500
and thank you very much again
1187
00:44:18,500 --> 00:44:18,900
thanks Jimbo
1188
00:44:18,900 --> 00:44:20,766
I hope you guys enjoy the Scotland rankings
1189
00:44:20,766 --> 00:44:24,400
please let us know on either social media or whatever
1190
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,866
just right to us this uh
1191
00:44:26,866 --> 00:44:29,166
pigeon anything don't mind and
1192
00:44:29,900 --> 00:44:31,633
but we would love to hear what your thoughts are
1193
00:44:31,633 --> 00:44:32,633
and if there's anything we missed
1194
00:44:32,633 --> 00:44:34,600
or any golf courses that you think are underrated
1195
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:35,500
overrated
1196
00:44:35,766 --> 00:44:39,300
please do tell us cause that's what we are right
1197
00:44:39,300 --> 00:44:40,500
yeah we're here to debate yeah
1198
00:44:40,500 --> 00:44:41,866
exactly right and it's
1199
00:44:41,866 --> 00:44:42,433
it's it's good
1200
00:44:42,433 --> 00:44:45,000
just to have something that spurns on that discussion
1201
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:46,466
so yeah here
1202
00:44:46,466 --> 00:44:47,600
here here here right
1203
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