In this episode of the Power of Partnership podcast, host Cherri Jacobs Pruitt explores the growing transdisciplinary field of Planetary Health with Dr. Teddie Potter, Clinical Professor and Director of the Center for Planetary Health and Environmental Justice at the University of Minnesota School of Nursing. The conversation includes an unpacking of how the domination narrative impacts our relationship with the natural world and provides resources and practical ways to join the Planetary Health movement and help nurture a sustainable planet for generations to come. This episode is more than just a conversation, it's a call to action for us all to live in harmony with nature.
The Promise of Planetary Health Youtube video
Sao Paola Declaration on Planetary Health
Planetary Health Education Framework
Interdisciplinary Journal of Partnership Studies
Transforming Interprofessional Partnerships: A New Framework for Nursing and Partnership-Based Health Care, Teddie Potter and Riane Eisler
The Chalice and the Blade: Our History, Our Future, Riane Eisler
The Power of Partnership: Seven Relationships that will Change Your Life, Riane Eisler
Center for Partnership Systems
Resilience, Rising Appalachia
In this episode of the Power of Partnership podcast, host Cherri Jacobs Pruitt explores the growing transdisciplinary field of Planetary Health with Dr. Teddie Potter, Clinical Professor and Director of the Center for Planetary Health and Environmental Justice at the University of Minnesota School of Nursing. The conversation includes an unpacking of how the domination narrative impacts our relationship with the natural world and provides resources and practical ways to join the Planetary Health movement and help nurture a sustainable planet for generations to come. This episode is more than just a conversation, it's a call to action for us all to live in harmony with nature.
The Promise of Planetary Health Youtube video
Sao Paola Declaration on Planetary Health
Planetary Health Education Framework
Interdisciplinary Journal of Partnership Studies
Transforming Interprofessional Partnerships: A New Framework for Nursing and Partnership-Based Health Care, Teddie Potter and Riane Eisler
The Chalice and the Blade: Our History, Our Future, Riane Eisler
The Power of Partnership: Seven Relationships that will Change Your Life, Riane Eisler
Center for Partnership Systems
Resilience, Rising Appalachia
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Welcome to the
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introductory episode
of The Power of Partnership Podcast.
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I'm Riane Eisler, founder of the Center
for Partnership Systems.
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This podcast brings
you voices from the partnership movement,
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people using partnership practices
to build a world
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That values caring nature
and shared prosperity.
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the Power of Partnership podcast is hosted
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by Cherri Jacobs Pruitt,
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a health policy and partnership scholar.
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Today's episode describes my journey,
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pioneering the partnership movement.
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And now to today, POP
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Power of Partnership podcast.
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It is such an honor to be interviewing you
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for this first episode
of The Power of Partnership podcast.
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Your research writing
and speaking on cultural transformation
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has changed the lives of so many people
worldwide, and I'm thrilled to be able
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to share so many of their
stories through this podcast.
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Can we begin today by you sharing with us
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what led you to develop
the partnership movement?
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Thank you.
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And it's a pleasure to be with you
and I am delighted
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to do this interview and
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I start wih my childhood
because my passion for this work and yes,
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I have a great passion for it,
is rooted in my early childhood
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experiences as a child
refugee with my parents from the Nazis.
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And we fled my native Vienna at night
just with what we could carry.
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My parents were able to obtain
an entry permit to Cuba,
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one of the two places in the world
that we could go to.
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The other one was Shanghai, China
and there I grew up
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in, the industrial slums of Havana,
experiencing at first.
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Until my parents, got back on their feet.
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Poverty surrounded by poverty.
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And all of this
really led me to questions
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that I'm sure many of you have asked.
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Does
it have to be this way? When we humans
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have such an enormous capacity
for caring, for
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sensitivity, for creativity,
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why has there been so much insensitivity,
violence, destructiveness
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and fast forward, many years.
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It was these questions that eventually led
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to my multidisciplinary
cross-cultural research
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What did you find with your research?
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Well, what I found was,
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that you have to.
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Einstein said it.
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He said you cannot solve problems
with the same thinking
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that created them
with the same consciousness,
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or lack of consciousness
that created them.
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It was only when I stepped back
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and really looked at the patterns
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forget all about
the conventional social categories
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and looked at the patterns,
the configurations
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that kept repeating themselves
cross-culturally trans-historically
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and yes drawing from many disciplines,
not just one.
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I was able to connect the dots.
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I was able to see two configurations.
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There were no names for them,
so I called one Domination System
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and yes, it’s what we're trying to leave
behind.
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It's what happened in our prehistory.
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The imposition of top down authoritarian
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rigidly male dominated, punitive,
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violent societies
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and what how we lived, how
we lived for millennia.
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And what we're trying to really recover in
many,
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really disconnected ways, but
it’s all part of a movement towards what I’ve called
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A partnership configuration
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in which in families,
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in education,
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in religion, in politics, in economics,
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you have a very, very different
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social configuration.
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So can you speak about how
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these different paradigms,
this domination and partnership
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configuration plays out in societies
today?
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Absolutely
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for millennia, foraging societies
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that the anthropologist and my co-author
of Nurturing Our Humanity.
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The anthropologist, Douglas Fry
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calls the original partnerships societies,
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they conform to that configuration.
In the Chalice and the Blade
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I talk about Catalhoyuk ,
for example.
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The largest Neolithic society ever discovered.
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And the one of the people who excavated
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that society most recently Ian Hodder
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in a film interview.
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And there is a film Human Kind
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being made on my life and my work.
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He says, yes,
these were partnership societies
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glylanic societies to
use one of the terms
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that’s gender specific that I coined.
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Minoan Crete was another example,
an outlier really,
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after the shift to a domination
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system was beginning to really take root
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all over but, it was an island in the Mediterranean.
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No signs of destruction
through warfare
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like in Catalhoyuk
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for a thousand years. In Minoan Crete,
no signs of
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any conflict between the various city
states.
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No armed conflict, no fortifications, women
played a major role.
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It was before women
became really male chattels
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technologies of sexuality
and of reproduction.
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And that's it.
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This was not the case in our pre-history.
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And it is also, again, fast forwarding,
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if you look at Northern European nations
like Finland, like Sweden
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like Norway, like Denmark,
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they're not socialist,
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they are more partnership
oriented societies, they are first of all
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in both the family and the state
or tribe
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they are really much,
much more democratic, more egalitarian.
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And men
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I mean,
they too have a domination heritage,
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but they're getting rid of it
more and more and more.
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So more men are doing
the so-called women's work today,
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not only in these Nordic nations,
but all over the world really
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we’re finding men doing so-called women
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work, women’s
work of feeding babies, diapering babies.
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I mean, but this relates to the second
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really cornerstone
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of these systems of partnership
systems, women in these nations.
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are 40 to 50% of the national legislature.
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But they really
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are societies in which
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they call themselves
often caring societies.
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They have universal child care
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with good pay, good training.
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You know, we have a very gendered
system of values is so peculiar.
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I mean, we insist that, for example,
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plumbers be trained,
the people to whom we entrust pipes.
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Right.
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But we don't insist that child care
workers be trained and paid well.
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I mean, this is reality stood on it’s head.
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Isn't it?
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And we need to stand reality on it’s
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right side up.
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And of course,
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but it isn't that only that women
are trained to be caring in domination
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systems, it’s a dynamic of these systems that
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as the status of women rises men too,
because it’s men, who also vote
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for these caring policies
but are very extensive
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paid parental leave for both mothers
and fathers, for example,
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caring for the environment
as the status of women rises men.
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No longer feel is such a threat
to their status, so their
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masculinity, as
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defined in the old domination system.
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So they to vote for caring policies.
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And of course,
if you look at these societies,
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yes they do a value caring for people
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starting at birth and caring
for our natural life support systems.
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They're way ahead of us in combating
climate change.
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Right.
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You know, really
carbon emissions are lower, etc..
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They're not perfect.
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And it is not true
that it's that they're that way
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because they're relatively homogeneous.
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The reality, is that they these nations
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invest more
proportionately in caring for people
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in the developed world, people
who are not genetically related to them
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by any means it’s that they conform more
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to the partnership
domination, social scale
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and really conform more to the partnership
configuration.
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So it's a lot
that I'm trying to communicate here,
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but we do need to free ourselves
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from the categories we have inherited
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from more rigid domination times.
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And now back to today's episode.
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You know,
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it is really interesting
if you look at modern history
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through this lens,
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what you see
is that every single progressive
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social movement
has actually challenged the same thing
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a tradition of domination,
whether it was the Enlightenment,
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so-called rights of man movement
challenging
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the so-called divinely ordained,
you know,
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I mean, that's it, you know, God fearing
and divinely ordained are the two catch words
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really in domination
oriented religion.
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So it was supposed to be divinely ordained
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that kings and nobles
rule over their quote subjects.
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Then if you look at the abolitionist,
the anti-colonial,
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the civil rights,
the Black Lives Matter movement.
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What are they challenging? Another tradition
of domination, the so called again
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divinely ordained right of the quote superior
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race to rule over an inferior one.
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If you look at the feminist movement,
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the contemporary global
women's rights movement
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They’re challenging another
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so called divinely ordained
right of men to rule over the women
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and children in the quote, castles
you know, a military metaphor
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of their homes
all the way to the environmental movement,
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challenging our once hallowed and idealized
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conquest and domination of nature
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that at our level of technology
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of population is about to do us in
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so but we have failed to pay
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sufficient attention
to these four cornerstones of family,
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of gender, of economics,
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and of story and language.
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And we must we need an integrated
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frame and the partnership domination
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social scale gives us that frame.
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So let's talk just a bit about your books.
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You've authored numerous books.
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You've already spoken
a touch about The Chalice and The Blade,
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and of course the title of this podcast
series is The Power of Partnership,
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and today's episode
featuring you is titled The Partnership
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Way, which are two of the books
that you've written.
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Can you speak a little bit
about how these two books came to be
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and how our listeners can learn from
these books how to move towards
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the partnership end of the continuum
throughout all aspects of their lives?
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Well, these are really
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work books that you’re talking about.
You know, the first two books
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drawing from my research
were the Chalice and the Blade.
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The subtitle is Our History,
Our Future.
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And that's exactly what it's about,
and it really is
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about our history.
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Both halves of,
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you know, there are two forms of humanity,
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male and female,
and if you rank one over the other,
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and if you also have
these rigid gender stereotypes
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which you need for this ranking,
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what you get is what we've got,
which is in-group versus
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outgroup thinking,
whether it’s based in differences
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becomes equated with dominating
or being dominated
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with superiority
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and inferiority
with being served or serving, right,
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the second book that I wrote,
which was called Sacred Pleasure,
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which is in itself a heresy
because think about it,
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the domination systems are really based
on fear of pain
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aren’t they, the second book Sex, Myths,
and the Politics of the Body.
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This is the subtitle
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of the book that applies
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the Partnership domination, social scale
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to both sexuality and spirituality.
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And it's one of my favorite books actually.
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But then I started to turn to
what do we do?
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There are three books
actually dealing with that.
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One that I’ll just quickly touch upon
is called Tomorrow's Children
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and it's about education, obviously.
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And I really think
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that we have to pay
a lot of attention to that.
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I mean, think about it.
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Not so long ago.
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Physical punishment was built
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into even Western education,
and it still is in the United States.
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Children can be paddled, can be caned
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in many of our states still,
according to the law because if you think
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about what happens to children
in domination families, fear
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and a lot of rage and a lot of pain,
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and what happens in
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domination systems is a dynamic, again,
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that this fear, this rage,
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this pain is then deflected
into in-group versus out-group
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thinking against the bad, quote the weak,
just as they were.
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I mean, think about that.
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And so you get this in-group versus
out-group
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violence, rage, anger.
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And we've got to really understand
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that this is not something
that we can blame individual families for.
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This is something characteristic
of families
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of the ideal norm for families
really in domination systems.
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But getting now to your question
which I eventually will.
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Both the Partnership Way,
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which I wrote with my wonderful late husband,
David Loye,
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it's a workbook for both Chalice
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and for Sacred Pleasure
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to really
with a lot of experiential exercises.
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And so forth
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and I really highly recommend it.
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And then there's also
the Power of Partnership like the name
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of our wonderful podcast with you.
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But it is really well, it won
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the Nautilus Award as the best
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self-help book of that year.
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First of all
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each chapter has going further,
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you know, questions, exercises, etc.
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It starts
with how we relate to ourselves.
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And yes, it uses the partnership,
domination, social scale.
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Do we have this noise,
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in our heads, this voice telling us,
we're not good enough,
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you know, etc..
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And it isn't, as I said,
and I want to emphasize this, our parents fault
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I mean, they just pass on what they
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were exposed to and
what they were taught was good parenting.
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And you know that there's still so called
Christian parenting
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guides in the United States that recommend
inflicting pain on children
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so that quote
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that they
learn that the parents word is law.
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I mean think about that.
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Think of how that socializes
us to identify with strong men leaders
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who also are punitive
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and with in-group versus out-group
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policies and actions.
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So the really
the Power of Partnership goes on then
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to our intimate relations,
you know, family
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and other intimate relations
to our work and community relations.
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But it doesn't stop there
because it's all of one clause.
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It then goes on to our national relations,
our international relations,
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our relationships
with our Mother earth with nature.
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With our natural life support system
and to our spiritual relations,
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because spirituality can be very much,
you know, religion
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this spirituality of our conventional
religions that we've inherited.
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I mean, think about it you know,
sometimes I say it as a joke
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that when I get really depressed
about what's happening in our world,
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I think of the European Middle
Ages. Why?
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Because they looked a lot like the Taliban.
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They really oriented to the domination
configurations.
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There were some partnership elements
but the Inquisition, the Crusades,
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the witch burnings, human rights forget it,
women and children’s rights.
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I mean, that was just beyond the pale.
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So think about the fact that we have
as I said been moving forward
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but we must have a really coordinated
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social, political,
economic and family agenda.
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Because we really need to come together.
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If you think of the trends
towards partnership they’re all over
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I mean these thousands and thousands
of non-governmental organizations
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that we have working on climate change,
working on domestic so-called domestic
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violence, and it's violence,
it is fundamental violence.
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We have to understand the dynamics
of how systems work.
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And it isn't just simple linear
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causes and effects, it's interactions.
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And we've been taught,
I mean, I know I woke up as if from a long drug sleep
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to suddenly realize that in all my years
of so-called higher education,
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you know, there had been hardly anything
by, about, or for people like me: women
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It is beginning to slowly change,
but much too slowly.
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And it’s all an add-on, you know,
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I mean, women's studies, men's studies,
gender studies,
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they're an add-on they need to be part of
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every part of the curriculum.
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We need
integrated cross-cultural education.
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And we are working on it at the Center
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for Partnership Systems.
Which is a wonderful segway into
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I wanted to ask you to speak about in
more detail
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is the Center for Partnerships Systems
how that was founded
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and what types of resources and support
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can our listeners find at the center?
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Well, it was really founded
as there was such a response.
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You know, I didn't know how The Chalice and The Blade,
which challenges
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so many givens, right.
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Would be received, but
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First of all, I mean, one response was,
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I’ve always know this somehow, but you have
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brought forth the evidence for it.
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you know,
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and that has been really marvelous.
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So the center was founded
as a response to that response,
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and the Chalice first came out in
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86, 1986,
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and so the center is over 35 years old.
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And it's pretty amazing for
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a not for profit to last that long.
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And we've done many, many things.
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And if you go to our web site, centerforpartnership.org
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look at history and you’ll see
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how we have really had an impact.
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But to come to right now
and to come to the resources.
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We offer many resources, first of all for families.
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We offer Caring
and Connect Parenting Guide
00;24;07;35 - 00;24;10;28
Alicia Rando wrote it
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based on really the newest,
neuroscience and it has been endorsed
00;24;15;57 - 00;24;18;05
by top pediatricians,
00;24;18;26 - 00;24;23;07
but it's available for free
in both English and in Spanish.
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And it's short and it's to the point.
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We have developed
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a technology toolkit,
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because technology is really values
neutral.
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It depends on how it is programmed, right?
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We see that very much and how it is used.
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And yes, we also have now
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shortened it and condensed it.
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And you know, they did it
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also for general use. And it’s really
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asking us to really look
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at our socialization and yes, uses
00;25;06;18 - 00;25;10;15
the partnership domination
social scale and the four cornerstones.
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We are working on a new index.
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As I said, I wrote a book,
The Real Wealth of Nations,
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and the subtitle
is Creating a Caring Economics
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caring economics of partnerism
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that really recognizes
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the economic value of caring
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for people starting at birth
and caring for our natural life support systems.
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And there are statistics on this, but
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like our social movements,
we are all over the place,
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like the social progressive movements,
00;25;49;08 - 00;25;52;51
you know, where it's really all
part of the partnership movement.
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So we
we are trying to bring this together.
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So we launched the first iteration
and you can find out about it
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at our website, in 2014
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with a grant from the Kellogg Foundation.
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we're trying to really show
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not just a snapshot of what is
00;26;15;51 - 00;26;18;51
like other so-called
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GDP alternatives
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also show what investments
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what inputs create better outputs.
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And there's no question
like the United States
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has the highest child mortality,
the highest
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infant poverty
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rate, the highest maternal
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mortality
rate of any developed quote, unquote, nation.
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And not coincidentally,
we invest the least
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in family support.
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now is the time
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because the old institutions,
the old operating systems
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whether they’re economic or family or social
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and are not responding in this period
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of rapid technological, social,
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economic, climate change.
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I mean,
with so much of the population in denial,
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which is built into domination,
families, by the way.
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I mean, it is really
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something that we need to understand
and we need.
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Well, what we need is a partnership,
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social, political and family agenda.
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And that's why I keep, you know, really
pushing
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for read The Real Wealth of Nations, read
The Chalice and The Blade
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and read Nurturing Our Humanity
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because the evidence is so strong.
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In addition,
the center's courses are another way
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to dig deeper into this information.
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you can sign up at the center's website,
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which is centerforpartnership.org
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There will also be a link
in the show notes for today's
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episode.
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So Riane, before we end our discussion,
I wonder
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if you have any final closing words
for our listeners.
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Well, I believe in human creativity.
00;28;30;10 - 00;28;32;50
And if we know, it's
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not just about deconstruction
about disruption.
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This work is about reconstruction
00;28;41;10 - 00;28;44;10
and we have historically
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learned that people
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respond much better to
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if we know what we're trying to build.
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That is so very, very important.
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And that's what this work is all about,
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is to not just show
what we're trying to leave behind, but
00;29;04;47 - 00;29;10;52
what are we trying to build and we’re always back
to the four cornerstones
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of family and childhood, of gender
which are marginalized, ignored.
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Economics.
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But a new economics, a caring
economics of partnerism
00;29;22;28 - 00;29;26;49
and yes story and language
especially our stories
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about human nature,
which are false, which are untrue.
00;29;32;09 - 00;29;35;09
And we're finding out
from the neuroscience
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and from many, many disciplines, really.
00;29;38;30 - 00;29;43;20
And for example, we feel good,
don't we, when we care for others,
00;29;44;10 - 00;29;47;21
whether it's for a lover or for
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a mother or a father, for a child,
00;29;51;14 - 00;29;55;03
even for a pet, that's human nature.
00;29;55;32 - 00;29;59;40
We want caring connections
and we need a social,
00;29;59;56 - 00;30;03;46
economic and political and family system
00;30;04;17 - 00;30;07;15
that rewards this.
00;30;07;15 - 00;30;10;28
And we can have it, we have had it.
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And we can.
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And there are millions of people in the world in
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bits and pieces trying to build it.
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So let's do it.