The Power of Partnership
What if there is a way to transform society and create a world that values caring, nature, and shared prosperity? The POP podcast brings you the voices of people who are doing just that - people who are applying the Partnership ethos, the ground-breaking alternative to Domination Systems that are the root of our most pressing challenges. The Partnership movement was pioneered by Riane Eisler, internationally acclaimed author of The Chalice and the Blade, Nurturing Our Humanity, Sacred Pleasures, Tomorrow's Children, The Real Wealth of Nations and many more! Each episode includes information about essential tools from the Center for Partnership Systems, and beyond, to move away from the domination paradigm and create a Partnership world!
The Power of Partnership
Healing Healthcare with Dr. Teddie Potter
In "Healing Healthcare", Cherri Jacobs Pruitt interviews Teddie Potter, University of Minnesota’s School of Nursing’s Director of Planetary Health and Specialty Coordinator Doctor of Nursing Practice in Health Innovation and Leadership. Dr. Potter and Dr. Riane Eisler co-authored Transforming Interprofessional Partnerships: A New Framework for Nursing and Partnership-Based Health Care (published in 2014). This episode unwraps the insidious persistence of Domination-based values and illustrates how adopting Partnership-based practices are ushering in a healthcare revolution that is promoting health and wellbeing for all.
Center for Partnership Systems
Transforming Interprofessional Partnerships: A New Framework for Nursing and Partnership-Based Health Care, Teddie Potter and Riane Eisler
The Chalice and the Blade: Our History, Our Future, Riane Eisler
The Power of Partnership: Seven Relationships that will Change Your Life, Riane Eisler
Interdisciplinary Journal of Partnership Studies: https://pubs.lib.umn.edu/index.php/ijps/index
center@partnershipway.org
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Welcome
to the Power of Partnership podcast.
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I'm Riane Eisler President of the Center
for Partnerships Systems.
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This podcast brings you voices
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from the partnership movement,
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people using partnership practices
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to build a world that values caring
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nature and shared prosperity.
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The Power of Partnership, podcast,
is hosted by Cherri
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Jacobs Pruitt
a Health Policy and Partnership Scholar.
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today, Cherri interviews
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Dr.Teddie Potter, clinical
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professor and director of the Center
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for Planetary Health
and Environmental Justice
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at the University
of Minnesota School of Nursing.
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And now on to the POP podcast
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showing how we can partner with nature.
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Welcome back to the Power of Partnership
podcast.
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Teddie, your episode on Healing Health Care
that was released back
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in August was so helpful and informative,
and I'm so excited today to
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speak with you now about planetary health
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and that intersection with human health.
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Thank you.
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It's nice to be here
and I appreciate the invitation.
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So let's start by asking
you first to clarify
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what is planetary health
and does it differ from climate change?
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That's a great question.
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So I'm going to give you
the official definition
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and then I'm going to tease out
some key points.
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The official definition is that planetary
health is a solutions oriented
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transdisciplinary field
and social movement focused on analyzing
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and addressing the impacts of human
disruptions to Earth's natural systems,
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on human health and all life on Earth.
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So a couple of points here.
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This is solutions
focused, not just problem oriented.
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So we oftentimes do a lot of research
on the nature of the problem.
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But right now we have to delve deeply
into the solutions.
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Secondly, it's transdisciplinary.
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It is not one field over another field.
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It's all the various fields and sciences
and arts
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coming together
and creating a movement for change.
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It's looking at all the ways that humans
disrupt Earth's natural systems.
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So climate change is one of those problems
and a very urgent one of those problems.
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But equally urgent is biodiversity loss.
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And the way we're deforesting
our planet
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and the use of land,
and that is now becoming
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desert
and our toxic waste that we're dumping
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in our huge amount of plastic waste
that we're creating.
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So it has and our water shortages.
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So it's many, many of these Earth related
issues that all have human
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behavior as their root cause.
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And so we're planning on how do we change
or modify our human behaviors
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so that we create a thriving paradigm
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for future generations
to survive and exist.
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So, Teddie, you're the first director
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of planetary health for the School
of Nursing at the University of Minnesota.
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You're the chair for the Clinicians
for Planetary Health.
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You're a member of the steering committee
of the Planetary
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Health Alliance at Harvard.
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You're the co-founder of the Health
Professions for Healthy Climate,
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along with several other committees
and institutes
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that focus on the intersections
between the planetary health
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crisis and health and health care workers.
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Can you speak a little bit
more about these intersections?
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Certainly.
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So I am a systems thinker and so
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I don't solve things in
just one one little area.
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I look at how everything is
interconnected.
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And in order
for us to improve human health and health
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of all species, it's
not just focus on human health.
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We need to be looking at things
in broad systems ways.
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And so that has led me to be involved
with people all over the globe
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that are working on this initiative,
not just in our traditional health
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care sector,
but anybody who's working on the health
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of the planet and ecosystems
and human health
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and social structures
that impact human health.
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So it is a big enough tent
to hold everyone.
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Everything is interconnected.
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Global health one Health, eco health.
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Public health,
sustainable development goals.
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All of us are connected under this broad
umbrella called Planetary Health.
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Beautiful, beautiful.
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So you're also the executive editor
for the Interdisciplinary Journal
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of Partnerships Studies, which is a peer
reviewed open access online journal
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that promotes transdisciplinary
partnership based solutions
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for solving society's grand challenges.
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Can you speak about the obstacles, to,
but also the opportunities
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for transdisciplinary research
in terms of publishing
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and promoting your scholarship
on planetary health?
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Well, certainly the journal itself
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has been a paradigm shift
and it was historically.
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I'm just going to get
a little bit of the story.
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We founded the journal Riane Eisler
and the School of Nursing
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and the Library System of the University
of Minnesota back in 2014.
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In response to a couple of things.
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One was to get the work of Riane Eisler's
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moving it to much greater
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audiences and to scholarly audiences
and people who read materials
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and then can cite the materials
in their own scholarly work.
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We also I was bucking
the traditional publishing system,
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which if you are connected
with a university
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or a hospital system or
another organization that has publishing
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rights,
you know, pays or pays for publications,
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individuals have to pay $25 a day
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per article
to read, to download an article.
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Now, that does not seem just to me,
and it excludes a massive amount
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of our global population
that do not have access to publications.
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So right about that time
I had heard about open
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access publishing
and I thought this makes sense.
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So the whole journal itself
is a paradigm shift
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both in its in its viewership
or its audience, its transdisciplinary
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and in its commitment to an open
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access, peer reviewed setting.
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We wanted to make sure
all people are invited to the table,
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and this is where it aligns with planetary
health.
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Planetary health is not just health
professionals and not just scientists.
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We need people of faith.
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We need authors. We need artists.
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We need people who are in agriculture,
farmers.
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Everyone is needed in this movement.
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So the journal is a perfect venue
for us to continue to move this forward
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because we seek the input
and the scholarship of everyone.
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So, Teddie,
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can you discuss how our approach
to nature differs
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based on a domination versus a partnership
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paradigm or social lens?
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That's a wonderful question.
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Actually,
Riane Eisler and I have a whole chapter
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dedicated to this notion in our book
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that we wrote about transforming
in a interprofessional relationships.
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So humans weren't always
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we didn't always consider ourselves
separate from nature.
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The original people,
the indigenous people, all over the world.
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Foundational to that thinking in
that paradigm was the understanding
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that humans are part of nature
absolutely interconnected with nature.
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What you do to one,
you do to other.
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And so when we went off the rails
and started to think,
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we are better than we are,
more than we had more power than nature,
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when we split ourselves off from nature,
that started the whole
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cascade of these human disruptions
to our environment.
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It meant that we could blow up
the tops of mountains.
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It meant that we could indiscriminately
cut down forests,
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that we could pollute rivers
without any consciousness,
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that we could take all the water,
all the resources
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for us living right now
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that has brought us
to the brink of extinction.
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And I'm not being overly dramatic here.
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We’re at the point
of making some serious choices here
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that is the domination
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aspect of our relationship with nature.
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Humans are separate
or better than we're above.
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There isn't an interaction we can
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indiscriminately use moving back towards
a partnership.
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Understanding is
we are absolutely interconnected.
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We want to be in relationship with nature,
and nature has rights.
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And now you're seeing
the rights of nature movement come forward
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so that rivers have rights
and that future generations have rights,
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that we have got to be making
today's decisions based on an understanding
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of what will be beneficial
for seven generations from now.
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So it’s a rethinking of our relationship
with nature
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instead of nature
being something that we need to control,
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that we need to be fight against,
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that we need to contain.
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Is it.
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Nature is us and nature is everything
around us and we're all interconnected.
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So let's work in partnership,
being deeply respectful of different ways
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of knowing different ways
of being and different ways of doing.
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And that's where
we're trying to reorient.
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Teddie, you
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speak about the recognition
or the re-recognition
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or the remembering of the importance
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of treating our planet
for generations to come.
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And I know there was a recent success
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in the state of Montana
that youth actually led.
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Can you talk about the role of youth
in this movement?
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Yes. But first of all,
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I want to say
let's make sure that those of us
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that are no longer young
do not turn and say to the youth,
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we're so glad
you're going to solve this problem.
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That is a wrong reading of what
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what the youth bring to the table
and that is not fair.
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And it is not just and it is unkind
to put everything on the youth shoulders.
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Therefore,
what can the youth contribute along
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beside us in partnership with those of us
that are older than young,
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and that is vibrancy and excitement
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and hope, and the youth
bring a whole different way of thinking.
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They haven't necessarily had
the current structures baked into them.
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As matter of fact, they feel free to
to challenge the current structures.
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They see the flaws in the way that our
our systems are set up.
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And so they bring that new set of eyes on
what is this,
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what what are the problems
and what do we need to reinvent.
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They also bring a hope for the future.
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They will be living the future.
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This will be their life in their lifetime.
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What do they want it to look like?
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What do they want
the systems to look like?
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So it is absolutely essential that we
partner with youth, that they're not token
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you know,
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representatives at a table
and where decisions are made around them.
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And they're just sort of like a poster
child at the table.
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They have got to be fully present,
fully empowered and fully recognized
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with their contributions
to our future solutions.
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And now back to today's episode.
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So, Teddie,
how can people practice partnership
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with nature in big and small ways?
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So I like to talk about
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really seeing interconnected,
just like the web of life.
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Everything absolutely is interconnected.
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So no action is too small
and no action is too big.
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One action is not necessarily
more important than another action.
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The point is to act.
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The point is to live and to live fully.
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So some simple things that people can do.
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I really encourage them to live
this out,
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to be conscious, fully conscious
about all the things that are around them.
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Be aware
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of this, the sensory shifts, the changes
in nature,
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the changes in seasons,
the changes in light.
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Be aware of air quality, be aware of
when is pollen being produced.
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Become fully aware.
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Sometimes I think that the more we're
online and the more working on computers,
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we actually become more cyborg
than we are a natural.
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A citizen of the natural environment.
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So it's coming back into our, in a way,
animalness,
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our sensory awareness
of what's going on in the world.
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So that's one thing, being fully conscious
of everything that's going on around us.
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I urge people to travel,
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but not always just long distances.
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Travel close by.
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Notice the flowers
that are growing in your garden.
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Notice the grass
that's coming in your space.
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have a relationship with the trees
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Recognize their bark, recognize
their leaves, recognize their seeds.
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Recognize the rhythm of their days.
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That’s as exciting
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travel as hopping on a jet plane
because we've dismissed
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our local environment as something
that's common and not that important.
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We've missed
this incredible travel opportunity.
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So get to your local parks,
get to your local rivers
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or mountains
or whatever is in your environment
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and explore them deeply
and have a deep relationship with them.
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And you will find that
that was just amazing.
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You'll come back rejuvenated, just like
you do when you travel a distance.
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And then think about where your food comes
from.
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Every meal that you sit down to
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think about what went into this meal,
what are the products?
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If it's a grain meal.
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Who planted the grain?
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Where did that grain come from?
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Who harvested the grain?
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What natural resources were necessary
for that grain to grow?
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How much sun, water, soil, etc..
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We can do that with everything.
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Every beverage that we drink,
every vegetable that we eat,
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we can be consciously aware of all
that went into
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that becoming part of our existence
and part of our bodies.
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Similarly,
we want to make sure that we are aware
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of eating locally and eating seasonally.
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There is a wonderful rhythm to that.
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Of not trying to force ourselves to eat
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almost plastic strawberries
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in the middle of winter
if that's not the season for strawberries.
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So just being fully alive,
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and fully connected
to this great web of life.
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So, Teddie, are there specific resources
for our listeners
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that you'd like to call out,
both in terms of them getting involved
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if they want to go beyond
their personal day to day
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behaviors and awareness,
but also related to helping understand
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how that deeply internalized
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domination
narrative is impacting them personally
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and their community and world around them.
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Well, certainly.
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So for more information about domination
and partnership and cultural
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transformation, I would guide people again
to the interdisciplinary
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Journal of Partnership Studies.
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Those articles are all open access
so they can download them,
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They can have a PDF of the articles
on their desktop,
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and they can really scroll through
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and see many,
many topics covered in that journal.
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It's not just health,
but it's community social services.
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It's international relationships,
it's gender relationships.
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So people can go according
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to what their passions are
and their interests.
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I'm going to speak
more clearly or more in depth
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about how to get involved
in planetary health.
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So there's a YouTube out that's called
the Promise of Planetary Health.
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That's a wonderful starting point
to understand this whole paradigm shift
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deeper
in what we're calling the globe to do.
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So I would urge people to start there.
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The YouTube that's called the Promise
of Planetary Health.
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Secondly, if you go to the Planetary
Health Alliance website,
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that is an alliance of over 360
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organizations,
nonprofit organizations, universities
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who are working in
to restore the health of the planet
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and to educate our future citizens,
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how to live as planetary health
informed beings.
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And so wonderful, wonderful resources.
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In particular,
I want people to look at the
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planetary health education framework.
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This was a framework
that we brought together.
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We brought together people
from all different fields.
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There were 24 experts
from around the world.
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And the question was, what do all students
in higher education or people
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who are adults that are have graduated
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need to know about planetary health?
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Well, when you bring 24 experts or 24
different fields together, we came up
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with a list of about 500 things
that we felt we needed to teach everyone.
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Well, that doesn't work.
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We need that much more simple.
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So by working together in partnership,
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we came up with five core domains, things
that people need to be familiar
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with and embrace as part of this, this new
paradigm. Interconnection within nature.
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I've spoken about that extensively already.
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The Anthropocene in health,
understanding that
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these changes that we're seeing right now
are caused by humans.
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They're not natural. They're not normal.
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They are not patterns
that have been seen through time.
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This is highly abnormal
and it's threatening human health.
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People need to understand
that. Equity and social justice.
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We need to understand that
any solution we put
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forward has got to work for everyone.
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It can't just work for the few.
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It has to be grounded
deeply in setting up new systems
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that are based on equity
and social justice. Complexity in systems
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thinking. Absolutely essential that we do
not just come up with a solution
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that works over here
without considering all the other
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unintended consequences
that can disrupt the entire system.
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So people need to understand the systems
thinking and complexity.
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And finally, movement building and change.
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How do we put all these ideas
and values into action?
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So that's the planetary health education
framework.
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I highly encourage people to go to that
and see.
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What we're we're suggesting is
how we shift this paradigm.
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The other the other documents,
the Sao Paolo Declaration
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for Planetary Health
and this was a global call
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and globally designed on
what is the future that we're envisioning?
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So the global call takes each sector.
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What does the business
sector need to change?
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What do researchers need to change? What do
policymakers need to change?
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People in who are city planners? People
in the health sector?
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And you go to your sector.
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There's one for artists and poets.
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It's you go to your sector
and it's the global vision
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for the future we're trying to co-create.
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So that's another important document.
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All of these documents can be found
at the Planetary Health Alliance,
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and I would encourage you
to go there and join the movement.
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You can sign up to be part
of the newsletter and join the movement.
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Wonderful.
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So incredibly helpful
and so much information
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to absorb
and internalize for our listeners.
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I want to make sure and share
that all of these resources
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that Teddie has just shared with us
will be available and linked on the show
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notes for today's episode,
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along with the link
to the Interdisciplinary Journal
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of Partnerships Systems
and of course, a link
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to the Center for Partnerships Systems,
where you can sign up for
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any one of numerous courses
that will help you dig deeper
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into Riane Eisler's
Cultural Transformation Theory.
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Teddie, I'm wondering, before we close,
if you have any final words
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that you'd like to share
with our listeners.
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I would just like to end
on a note of hope.
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The future that we are co-creating
as a global community of planetary health
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people and partnership
people is a beautiful future
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and we just need to be finding each other
and working together.
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We once knew what we need to know
to have a better future.
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It's about remembering
that our Indigenous leaders,
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Indigenous knowledge
gives us the tools and the values
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to move us forward in a direction
that is thriving and surviving.
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Lovely.
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Thank you so much.