Regenerative Economic Systems for Tomorrow’s Partnership World with Scott Morris

Tune into this discussion with Scott Morris, “the Token Jedi,” about the power that place-based regenerative economic systems have in building prosperous and resilient communities worldwide.

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The Real Wealth of Nations: Creating a Caring Economics, Riane Eisler (https://centerforpartnership.org/resources/books/the-real-wealth-of-nations-creating-a-caring-economics/)

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The Chalice and the Blade: Our History, Our Future, Riane Eisler (https://centerforpartnership.org/resources/books/the-chalice-and-the-blade-our-history-our-future/)

The Power of Partnership: Seven Relationships that will Change Your Life, Riane Eisler (https://centerforpartnership.org/resources/books/the-power-of-partnership/)

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Resilience, Rising Appalachia (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tx17RvPMaQ8

Transcript

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Welcome
to the Power of Partnership podcast.

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I’m Riane Eisler, President of the Center
for Partnership Systems.

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This podcast brings you voices

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from the partnership movement,

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people using partnership practices

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to build a world that values caring

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nature and shared prosperity.

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The Power of Partnership podcast

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is hosted by Cherri Jacobs Pruitt,

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a Health Policy and Partnership scholar.

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Today Cherri interviews Scott Morris,

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a proud graduate of our very first Caring

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Economics Leadership Program co-hort

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who has since become, quote,

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The Token Jedi, end of quote

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a globally recognized expert

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in regenerative economic systems

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to create more caring and resilient

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communities across the world.

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And now on to today's PoP podcast.

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Well, welcome,
Scott, to the Power of Partnership podcast

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on behalf of Riane Eisler and the entire
Center for Partnership Systems team,

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we want to thank you for joining our show
and sharing your information today

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about the power that placed-based
regenerative economic systems have on

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helping communities across the world build

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prosperity and resilience.

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So, before we start with my asking you
to share a bit about your journey

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leading you to become known
internationally as the Token Jedi,

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can you share a little bit
with our audience about what

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what are place-based regenerative
economic systems and why is this

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such a critically important conversation
for us to be having today?

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Yeah, absolutely.

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So place-based
regeneration is something that we're,

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you know, most people
just call common sense, to be honest.

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You know, we we live in a very globalized,

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and fragile economic system.

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And a lot of people are realizing that,
you know,

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trusting the legacy systems
that have created

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a lot of these preconditions
and globalized supply chains, etc.,

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just can't be trusted with caring

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about us in times of need.

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So what got me on this kick in

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the first place
was the great financial crisis in 2008.

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My family was hit pretty hard by that.

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We lost our family business,
we lost our home.

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And this is just as I'm,

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you know, graduating from college
and going to grad school.

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And, I had found myself,

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looking at, you know, the global
financial system and global

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financial institutions
and, realizing that

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they weren't what I was taught,

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you know, on face value as a child.

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And, that when emergencies hit,

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they left a lot to be desired

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as far as taking care of regular
people's needs.

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And so I wanted to know,
what are the systems that we can

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organize and work
with, to provide that safety

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and security for ourselves
in those emergency conditions, especially.

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And so that got me into a field
known as community currencies.

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This is it's funny
to be doing this interview with you and,

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the Center for Partnership Studies now,
because I was at the very beginning

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of my trajectory
when I did the Caring Economy

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Leadership Program
course with Riane back in 2010.

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And so that was while I was organizing
my very first community currency pilot.

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So we're, like, really
bookending my career here in this space.

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So it was really about,

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okay, what are the real things
that we need to take care of, right?

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People need to eat.

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People need to, you know, have shelter.

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And, you know, kids need to be educated.

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All of our basic needs are right there.

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And typically, we're capable of providing
for those things ourselves.

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But the the system gets in the way, right?

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And, especially in these emergency
conditions, and a financial crash.

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The way that is working is not normal.

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And we can't rely on it
to even meet those needs.

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And we can see this in real time, right.

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As of the time of this recording.

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We've just had Hurricane Helene
go and rip a hole through the southeast

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of the country, right.

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That you can see from space.

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In terms of all of the power
outages and whatnot.

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You know, not to mention
the other disasters that are

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going on around the country
and around the world.

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And so it's really important
to give consideration to what are,

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our safety nets.

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Right, for when things get really bad.

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And that's what kind of got me into
placed-based regeneration, right?

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That really just means working together
at the community level

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to ensure that we're going to be able

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to take care of our own
needs in times of emergency.

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But also, you know,

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in times that we would normally consider
like normal or fine

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we can all feel the weight of capitalism
pressing down on us.

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And wouldn't it be nice
if we had real alternatives, right.

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That could help us meet our
needs and go beyond that

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even while that system continues
to collapse, right?

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From when I first

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came into contact with Riane’s
work to now,

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it has gotten worlds worse
than you know we could have ever dreamt.

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You know, here we may sit very well
on the precipice of World War three.

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Who knows?

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It's, it's,
unfortunately interesting times, right?

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In a very literal sense.

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So that that, you know,

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what it means in
other terminology is like mutual aid.

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Time banking, community currencies, 
all kinds of, like,

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economic support networks,

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like child care networks, etc..

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That we that
that we tend to invent out of necessity

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in communities all around the world.

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And you can see these things
already there.

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And so what I've found myself
doing is just kind of cataloging

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what are the different kinds
of these things,

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and then creating that in a more of a menu

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format for organizers on the ground,
so that, you know, when you cause

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when you realize,  you kind of
wake up out of the matrix, if you will.

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You know, like, oh, wow.

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Yeah.

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Like this system that we're relying
on, like it is, it is not meeting

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our needs whatsoever.

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It leads it leads us to even greater

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realms of neglect and destruction.

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We need to have backup systems, right?

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And other ways
of coordinating our resources.

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So, yeah,

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I think that was one of the things
that was missing from my early

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experience as an activist in this space
was just knowing what the options are,

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you know, and knowing how to organize
those things most effectively.

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And not to fall into the trap of,
you know, what I like to call silver

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bullet thinking.

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This is not a silver bullet situation.

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We need the whole silver arsenal.

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So what's that look like?

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So I assume then what earned you the 
title of Token Jedi

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as an international expert.

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I love that, though. It's beautiful.

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And so I assume that's because you're
helping bring models of success.

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Models that are ways that we can create
that safety net at the community level.

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So can you talk about what

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some of those that work has been
and what those models may be?

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Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

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And in fact, I'm just surfacing
one that I've been holding on to

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for a few years
now that I'm calling the Value Flow

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Compass, that I'd be happy to talk
a little bit about.

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But, yeah, you know, the, the

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the term Token Jedi emerged in 2017.

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I actually had
an opportunity to participate in something

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pretty historic, both for crypto

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and for all of global finance.

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Back in 2017, I was connected to Bancor.

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They had originally approached me
with a marketplace app that supported

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community currencies,

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and that was the work that I was doing
at the time in Ithaca,

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New York, where I had taken over
for a local currency there.

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That was quite famous.

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It's called Ithaca Hours.

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It's known by people
who look into this kind of stuff

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from all over the world.

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And so what they created

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was the crypto economic mechanism

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that became what we know
as decentralized finance, or DeFi.

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And this, was a genuine, like,

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technological and financial innovation

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because it created a new way
for people to exchange assets

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besides having to go through exchanges
and really lowered the barrier

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to people creating new kinds of,
you know, financial tools that can power

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communities and connecting those in ways
that just weren’t possible before.

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While I was working in their office
in Tel Aviv

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they asked me for like, what

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will your job title be?

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And I'm just like, I'm your Jedi on call.

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That was the creation of it.

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And eventually that became Token Jedi

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just because tokens
are the tools of the trade

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And so it's a little playful.

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It's cool.

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It tells people about who I am

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in this journey, 
and the kind of things that I stand for.

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Generally
try to be a force for good in the world.

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So do you want to share about,

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the Value Flow Compass that you mentioned.

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So, I've been sharing
this is a very early iteration

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here, but, it's something that
I'm willing to stand behind

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is something
called the Value Flow Compass.

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And it is basically, 
a business model canvas

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for, you know, humans
who want to be organized more effectively.

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The business model canvas was something
that, I first encountered, like 2012,

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and it just, you know, provides
a single page that has kind of

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all the questions that you need
to consider and have decently good answers

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for in order to have a potentially viable
business plan.

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Well out here in kind of the new world,
if you will, where

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we're much more interested in distributed,
you know, systems

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and having our, our own agency
and organizations,

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and transparent accountants,

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accounting
and governance of these systems.

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It made sense to have a new kind
of mapping environment

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where we can surface,
like what is this ecosystem like,

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where are all the places
that I can touch it or interact with it?

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And when

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you're out there building
these kinds of systems, it's very easy

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to like spin up all these different tools
and profiles in different places

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of, you know, oh, we get we do this thing
over there and there's this bit over here

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and we vote over here, and we've got 40
different chat groups, right.

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But like,
how are you supposed to find stuff across

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all of that, much less have,
a decent system for managing it all?

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And when you're operating in something
like a DAO,

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a distributed autonomous organization,
hypothetically speaking,

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the DAO should kind of exist outside
of all of us, right?

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It's like this, you know, facility
that can operate

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independent of any one party
or group of parties.

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I think that's still kind
of aspirational, but,

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that's kind of the, the,
the idea of the thing anyway.

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And so, the Value Flow
Compass is designed to surface

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those different touch points in terms of

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like who are the collaborators
that are making things happen?

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What are the offerings
that they're co-producing together?

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That's the first quadrant.

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Then who are the audiences
that we're producing things for?

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How are we getting getting our offerings
to them?

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That's the second quadrant.

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And then what are we asking for in turn?

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What are the things that they're

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ready to give us?
That could be non-monetary things as well,

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like membership applications
and governance proposals.

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But clearly, you know, if we’re trying
to have a financially viable operation,

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we want to be tracking what we're getting
paid in and how we're getting paid.

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And then where do those things
end up? Right.

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Where are the like, accounts
or resource bases?

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That are servicing this ecosystem.

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And then great.

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How do we manage those resources?

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Right. Costs and surplus.

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So it's basically
just a four quadrant approach

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with different kind of fields
to surface these different elements.

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And then you can explore

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the interconnections
between them and start to kind of see,

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 those support systems
in the contexts right for where they,

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come to life in that ecosystem.

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And my hypothesis with this
and what I've seen from early testing,

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is that it's,

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it's fundamentally like partnership
oriented and more collaborative

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because it breaks down
those silos of information

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that, can feed domination dynamics.

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So, like,

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if I'm the executive and I'm the only one
with the bird's eye view, right?

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I'm able to kind of leverage
that information asymmetry over people

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in you know Department X,

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but if everything is out on the table,
right, and we're able to see more of,

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you know, who's here, who has, you know,
what roles,

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and what special permissions
in the ecosystem.

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And like, what context there are,
what ways there are for me to contribute.

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And how,
you know, value is being generated.

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And I can see how we're

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getting value

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back and what's happening with that
in a more transparent way.

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It becomes a lot more difficult
for an extractive actor.

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Like a VC to just be,
you know, making off with,

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you know, the majority of the proceeds

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while leaving the people who are doing
the real work with some crumbs.

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You know,
so I, I hope that people will also find

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that using this tool will enable them

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to keep more of the wealth
they generate for themselves.

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Rather than allowing that to be extracted
by various parties.

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Along the way. Nice.

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So can we talk a bit more about

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domination that shows up in these systems?

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So the hope is for people listening
to this podcast to become more familiar

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with the terms regenerative systems,
place-based, community currencies.

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What do we need to be looking out
for when people

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are exploring those to ensure
that we're really coming at it

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from a truly partnership based focus
that is really to sustain communities

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and really hone in on that safety
net component that you've talked about.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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This is something that, a theme
that was coming up in Bernard

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Lietaer’s writings
towards the end of his life.

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He, you know, was a,

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a monetary systems thinker and designer.

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He was very prolific in this space.

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You know, thinking about, 
financial system design.

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And he,
especially with regards to systemic

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sustainability and resilience.

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And he was writing more

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about the esoteric nature of, you know,

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this is about energy
and balance and mutualistic dynamics.

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And, you know, there's been others

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that have acknowledged that, even

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heading into the monetary space, right?

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Monetizing something, financializing
something.

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Accounting

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is pretty masculine

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of a thing to do
because it's very much about control.

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If not control, then
 at least visibility,

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which kind of implies
the potential of control, etc..

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So the question first has to be is this
the right way to deal with this problem?

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When we're faced with a given challenge.

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You know, is this the appropriate use of,

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you know, a monetization
or a financialization strategy?

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So before we even kind of jump
into deeper systems design thinking

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that has to be
contemplated and kind of validated

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then, and I can speak somewhat
from personal experience

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based on my work
in, Iowa and then, Ithaca, New York.

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You can design a good

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monetary system or a credit system
or a regenerative economy

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in isolation.

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You can you could come up
with the perfect model if you want to.

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When you think about it, that hard,
you can do it right.

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Because the principles are there.

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But that's not what

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that is not what

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making something happen requires.
Making something happen

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and getting a community to engage
and really utilize

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these kinds of systems requires
that you do this in partnership.

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And that means rather than going off

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in isolation
and coming up with the perfect system,

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you have to work with everybody else
that is involved

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to co-discover and co-design

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the system and that can only happen over

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the span of a good amount of time

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and with a foundation of trust.

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And so that is one of the things that
I try to emphasize especially when I'm

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doing things like earlier in the year
we did an incubator. In Refi DAO

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we have what are called local nodes.

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And that's basically just, you know,
an organizer on the ground and a community

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is trying to make regenerative cool stuff
happen

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specifically using,
you know, Web3 tools and,

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you know,
regenerative financial mechanisms, etc..

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But we've been providing support
to those kinds of local organizers.

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And this is like one of the things

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I was really stressing with them is like,
it's really about,

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you know, one,
knowing what you're after. Two

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knowing who is involved with that,
and three, engaging them

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in a co-design process around
what this system, you know, like

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what is it that's going on now
and what do we need to shift about it?

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And this can seem this can very much turn
into kind of a tech

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bro approach
where it's about requirements gathering.

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But the soft side of it

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is still very much relational
and partnership oriented.

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What is Web3 space?

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What is that. 

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Web3 is like the blockchain.

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Web one was,

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somebody

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will have
a much better rendition of this.

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Okay. But like, web
one is we're just, like,

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connecting and, like,
publishing web pages.

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Web two is we have social media,
so it becomes interactive.

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Web3 is now we have a financial layer

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there
that we're able to build on and work with.

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So people use Web3 as a synonym
for blockchain quite frequently.

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So, so I, I'm joining you know,
I live in beautiful Lafayette, Colorado

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in the United States.

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And so if there was a node
in my community, what would that be

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looking like for me?

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Well, that's a great question.

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Basically, we have

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like a local node profile

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that people can
come and fill out, but the,

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the, the reason this is so

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hard to answer
is because it's non-deterministic.

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Right.

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We can say

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generally you're going to be working
with these kinds of things

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or on these kinds of things, but you're
not going to be doing this specific thing.

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So I can offer up
examples of different kinds of like, local

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 solidarity
economic systems that you can engage with.

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You know, like as something as simple
as, like, free libraries, right?

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Like those little libraries
that people set up like that sometimes

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that's what people set up and do,
you know,

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mutual aid networks around the country,
especially during Covid,

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set up, you know, basically repurposed
those as ways of sharing food.

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There were some places that went so far
as to have, you know, open refrigerators

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kind of deal.

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So and there are

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libraries or catalogs

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of these different kinds
of, you know, isolated interventions.

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But what we put the node forward

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is as a container for organizing

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many of those together
so that they're, you know,

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kind of mutually reinforcing
and creating more of a culture of,

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you know, local self-care,
and mutual aid.

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Beautiful.

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So, Scott,
I know we're talking about community

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currencies, place-based systems,

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but I feel like crypto
and bitcoin is a piece of this puzzle

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around financial insecurity
with our systems.

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And so can you talk a bit
about how those fit in,

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and especially your thoughts on the degree

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that those types of systems
are coming from a domination perspective,

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that may actually be undermining
some of the same goals that

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your and

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so many others are trying to address in
in your work.

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Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

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It's it's it's,
it's really fun to work with crypto

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and not actually be a tech bro or,
you know, a blockchain dude.

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I, as you might recall,

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My career
in all this began in 2009, 2010.

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So as far as crypto is concerned,
I've been here the whole time.

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And that makes me a pretty unique figure
in that space.

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I mean, there's people who consider,
you know, being in crypto a long time

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to be two years.

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And I'm just like,

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you know.

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But the, the, the important thing

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to understand about that is, again,
like to, to monetize or to financialize

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something is a very masculine
sort of command control function.

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So you have to be very mindful

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of the culture that is created.

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And, and the social dynamics,
that complement that system.

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Right.

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That system can only ever
be there to assist us.

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We can't design that in a way
where it comes to to dominate us.

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And this is something that we
have to worry about with technology

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 writ large, especially,

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you know, digital technology
and social networks.

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So, I found myself, you know playing

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a role of, just kind of rounding things

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out of reminding people, that, you know,
technology is not going to save us.

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We're going to save us. Technology
is there to help.

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And then just seeing, like,
the possibilities for how to get started.

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And, and that looks like
having a way of engaging meaningfully

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with the community to determine
what are the highest needs.

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Right.
Where are your greatest pain points?

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And what do we need
to focus on and in which order?

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So another one of the,

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things that I was able to innovate along
the way, is a model that I call the Agile

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Impact Model
that basically takes an Agile approach.

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Agile.

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And I'm sorry, I'm going a little techie
here for a second,

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but Agile is a software
development management system.

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Okay.

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Where basically each problem is a ticket
that gets put on a to do list,

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and then somebody comes and moves
that to doing, and then they do some stuff

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and then it's in review
and okay, it's good.

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Now it's done right.

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Like what if we used
that kind of project management

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structure
for making impact in our community.

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What would it look like if everybody
had access to that at any given time?

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And what would it look like

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if we had a substantial portion
of our budget for that place

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not being run through a very

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relatively

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easily
corruptible system of representatives.

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And stopped putting as much emphasis

00;27;17;05 - 00;27;20;05
on voting for representatives
than we did for policy.

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And, setting our kind of collective

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spending priorities based on, like,
where our pain points are.

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So starting to kind of explore
into that direction.

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Especially when you have

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you do have a flexible kind
of financial and technical environment

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where, you know, a community can say,
okay, like we have a child care crisis,

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we need to have the child care
marketplace.

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And yeah, it would be helpful if we could
pay one another in hours of time

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alongside cash if we wanted to,

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you know,
so you can have a multi, monetary

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 a monetarily pluralistic

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marketplace and network environment, right
where these systems stop

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being so isolated and obscure
and they start to like, I said,

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kind of like stack up and build a critical
mass that together can, you know,

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counterbalance the more predatory market
domination oriented economy.

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Love that,

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So, Scott, what is next?

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learnings, resources,
tools that you would recommend

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that people can start digging into
to be hopeful and really start

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being involved in this innovation?

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Yeah, absolutely.

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And there's, more on the way.

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But in the immediate term,

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right.  Shareable.  shareable.net

00;28;48;07 - 00;28;51;07
put together a great book on

00;28;52;10 - 00;28;53;30
Sharing Cities.

00;28;53;30 - 00;28;56;44
And in that book is is a wonderful example

00;28;56;44 - 00;28;59;44
of the type of thing
that we're building now digitally.

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Right, which is a catalog of a bunch
of these different interventions and,

00;29;04;57 - 00;29;07;57
programs, policies, etc..

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These days I'm

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playing a lot in,
something called the Open Civics Network.

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They're actually celebrating one year, 
you know, kind of launching

00;29;19;38 - 00;29;20;38
and coming out there.

00;29;20;38 - 00;29;24;50
It's a couple hundred,
you know, innovators and entrepreneurs

00;29;24;50 - 00;29;29;12
and, you know, other thought leaders,
that have come together already,

00;29;29;38 - 00;29;34;52
to produce some valuable research
specifically for this purpose.

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You know,
we recognize that we need to redesign

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so much of, you know, civil society, even,

00;29;42;36 - 00;29;46;57
you know, just and if you want to know
why, just take a quick look around.

00;29;46;57 - 00;29;50;36
Clearly, the legacy systems
are not invested in our long term success.

00;29;51;00 - 00;29;54;39
And so that means that we need to, have

00;29;55;19 - 00;29;59;38
easier access to other options.

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So for our listeners and viewers,
I want to make sure you know

00;30;03;58 - 00;30;06;17
that I will be putting
all of the resources

00;30;06;17 - 00;30;09;54
that Scott has referenced
during today's interview in the show notes

00;30;10;11 - 00;30;14;12
I'll also be including a link
to the Center for Partnership Systems

00;30;14;45 - 00;30;19;49
So that you can dig deeper into Riane
Eisler’s cultural transformation theory,

00;30;19;50 - 00;30;24;50
her domination partnership continuum,
and of course, her four cornerstones

00;30;24;50 - 00;30;29;43
that are at the foundations
of every society of childhood and family,

00;30;30;16 - 00;30;34;36
gender, of course,
economics and narratives and stories.

00;30;35;50 - 00;30;36;57
Scott, before we

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close,
I wonder if you have any final words

00;30;40;13 - 00;30;43;12
that you'd like to share
with our audience.

00;30;43;27 - 00;30;43;52
Yeah.

00;30;43;52 - 00;30;46;52
I would just, 
Thank everybody for listening.

00;30;47;05 - 00;30;49;26
I'm glad that you joined us today.

00;30;49;26 - 00;30;51;03
And you know.

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May the force be with you.

00;30;52;46 - 00;30;53;42
Nice.

00;30;53;42 - 00;30;57;01
Scott, I want to thank you again
for joining today's show.

00;30;57;02 - 00;30;59;46
This has really been
a wonderful conversation.

00;30;59;46 - 00;31;01;04
Thank you Cherri. It's been a pleasure.