ChristiTutionalist Politics (S2ESepSpecial1) Christian Fantasy with M. H. Elrich

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ChristiTutionalist Politics (S2ESepSpecial1) Christian Fantasy with M. H. Elrich    
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C. S. Lewis and J. R. R. Tolkien were strong influences on this week's Guest M. H. Elrich and fellow member of FaithCasters. You will want to tune-in to learn importance of the Color Red in her works as well as Star Trek (original Series) and Star Wars relates here-in.

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CTP S2ESepSpecial1 NOTES ( listen (Wed Sep 4 2024 and thereafter) at: 
https://www.buzzsprout.com/2210487/15695916-christitutionalist-politics-s2esepspecial1-christian-fantasy-with-m-h-elrich )... 
ChristiTutionalist Politics (S2ESepSpecial1) Christian Fantasy with M. H. Elrich    
See buzzsprout Transcript for full Show Notes and Transcript Bonus 
C. S. Lewis and J. R. R. Tolkien were strong influences on this week's Guest M. H. Elrich and fellow member of FaithCasters. You will want to tune-in to learn importance of the Color Red in her works as well as Star Trek (original Series) and Star Wars relates here-in.
See Buzzsprout podcasts Transcript for full Show Notes (including related links)   
Transcript Bonus: No Transcript Bonus this Episode   

Episode related pieces...  
- No related corresponding TLB piece this Sat. Sep 7th for this Show/episode (will be corresponding Sep 7 "Charity" piece for CTP S1E64 Show) 
- https://beforeitsnews.com/books/2024/09/fantasy-fare-2557991.html  
- http://MHElrich.com  
- https://tinyurl.com/FaithCasterConnections  
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- http://TakingTheRainbowBack.com  
- https://www.buzzsprout.com/2210487/13994568-christitutionalist-politics-s1e22-grey-areas   
- https://www.buzzsprout.com/2210487/14030126-christitutionalist-politics-s1e23-grey-areas-part-2  

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(S2ESepSpecial1 Audio: 56m 48s Wed Sep 4 2024)

SNEAK-PEEK: The next several TLB pieces (planned going forward from August 10th) and correlating/corresponding CTP Shows already outlined, ready to go, in some cases actually already pre-recorded. Why mention such? Well, it means I can add this COMING SOON (and/or recently dropped) addition/section to the Show Notes...
August 10 - S2E60: #PrinciplesNotPersonalities 
August 17 - S2E61: Democrats (aka: #Fascicrats) Hate   
August 24 - S2E62: Finding the Sweet Spot  
August 31 - S2E63: Neighborliness    
September 7 - S2E64: Charity (Neighborliness, part 2)   
September 14 - S2E65: Stand Against Tyranny  
September 21 - S2E66: WOKEists Warping Words (Twisting Language part 3)  
September 28 - S2E67: Strategically Stupid  

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Welcome to ChristiTutionalist Politics podcast aka CTP in association with TheLibertyBeacon.com and I am your host Joseph M Lenard and that's L E N A R D   CTP is your no muss no fuss just me you And occasional guest type podcast as Graham Norton would say let's get on with the show 

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JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):   Hello everybody welcome to another constitutionalist politics episode likely a midweek drop special we are recording in May just some behind the scenes I don't know when this will drop it will be a while out but with me today is M H L Rick Marie H L Rick but an author her author name when you go to look for M H L Rick it's not L rich and especially not M H L R I Ch O some Spanish lingo there making her an elita she's a L R I Ch O my audience knows I can never pass on the most soft morick of puns so welcome to the show Marie how are you tonight. Thank you for having me
M. H. ELRICH:   I'm doing pretty good I'm a teacher so I just got done finishing grading most of my final so I'm
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):   like whoo excited right now interesting interesting and yes since you're an author for those looking on J Leonard Detroit bit shoot bright on rumble or YouTube behind the scenes video you will have seen I changed my background to show my books talking to an author of course duh I gotta show off my books too right yeah you are a fantasy writer and well but before we get to that give us the 411 as we used to say way back when I'm old and who is Marie H L Rick yeah I'm an author I'm an
M. H. ELRICH:   avid reader I love reading books when I can fit in and then I teach full time so I'm pretty busy between those two things but I'm involved with my church a do tech team for my church and I've been a Christian since I was a young girl so that's something that's very important to me I mean that's the name of this podcast right Christ institutionalist politics yeah I am I pronounce
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):   it Christitutionalist but yeah a lot of people do it that way after the Greek Christos Christitosos politics but hey as the thing goes call me whatever you want just don't call me late for dinner right so anyway before I so rudely interrupted you born and raised where still living
M. H. ELRICH:   born and raised in Southern California and I still live in that area and I have a husband I've been married for 10 years we don't have any children yet but we always hope to have children and but I would definitely say I am way used to California weather where it's like a lot milder ish than the rest of the world I mean I still get where I live I can get up to 100s and it not stop until October and then it's hot at night like 100 during the day and 90 at night so I can get there but it's not the same as I'm sure like wet heat or humid heat and certain parts of the country so but I because I live in California I have been to beaches and forests and I feel like I almost have a fantasy landscape in my backyard that's easily accessible anytime I really just want to drive for a couple hours yeah and I also so besides being like a reader and a teacher I also have helped out in the ministry set of things with like anime just kind of ventured into that written some articles for some people and been on some podcasts about talking about anime and how to deal with anime as like a Christian and how you should approach it since it's a very very popular specialty with the young people so I tried to kind of do a little bit of everything I guess you could say and a little bit of nothing no I'm just kidding but yes for sure I definitely need lots and lots of coffee to get through all the things that I get through in my one day yeah well you
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):   set up two things one another joke anime no you anime not but I do you mention whether yeah like Michigan oh I hate Michigan winners but I stay you know family friends and all that stuff the four seasons are nice but it's amazing how easy you get used to warmer than it is to adjust to colder and like yesterday you a hundred degrees not a lot of humidity if you could stay in the shade is actually very pleasant as opposed to yesterday here again we're recording in May I'll just say it May 25th is the day we're recording yesterday Friday 80 degrees and 80% humidity it's like swimming in a swamp it's
M. H. ELRICH:   just horrible yeah that does not sound pleasant to me and I know it's odd to people are like you're crazy to stay in California I mean the politics and the costs of living are terrible but you know it's the same reason you stay I have family here I have friends here I have a community here and I have no desire to leave that plus I really feel like if all the godly people leave California what what's
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):   California gonna do you'll really go down a plane zen if we all surrender it you're right it's it will really go to hell on a handbasket more than it currently already has and I get it I've been to California several times beautiful beautiful good weather I love the Santa Monica pier you just want to have an armored vehicle to drive you get there though because the neighbors aren't so good till you get there but but yeah it's beautiful but yeah the deal with gruesome news some oh my god and the taxes and yeah the cost of the price of gas over seven dollars again right now around here in Michigan it's only three dollars and fifty cents is which is high for us still like a book fifty higher than when by dome took office and destroyed our energy independence but I didn't bring you on to discuss politics even though the show is Christitutional politics we I I wanted you on we're both members of Patrick Robert Thibodeau's faith casters that's where we found each other his wonderful organization I hope to interview everybody that's a part of it because he just started it recently there's still not all that many of us signed up to it yet but I saw you it's great and a fantasy writer and we discussed offline which is obviously where the tie-in to this show the Krista part of it in that like C.S. Lewis and other fantasy writers a lot of fantasy writers have biblical values and principles and morals in those fantasy writings that is you right
M. H. ELRICH:   yeah absolutely I consider myself more like Lewis and style of writing than Tolkien even though I have very Tolkien-esque things and the only reason I distinguish myself is because with Tolkien there's a lot of audiences that are secular that would read his books and not even see the Christian allegory of photo taking the ring and destroying it being an image of Jesus taking the ring to like taking our sin upon himself I think the allegory is very obvious but there's so much debate about that versus like C.S. Lewis would probably straight up tell you of course as Lin is Jesus what do you mean like how did you not get that from my novels um yeah I think a lot of that a lot of that is
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):   the movies are of course compressed you don't get it all as you do if you're reading the full novels and the movies attempt to purposefully willfully am malice of forethought secularize and remove some of the religious symbology from it yeah they really do I mean the fact that
M. H. ELRICH:   aslin especially in line the witch in the wardrobe where aslin like breathes on the statues that's very much symbolic of the biblical idea of god giving us a new heart of bringing us back to life from the dead like that's very minimized in the movie even the fact that uh Edmond there we go Edmond no Edmond yes Edmond I was like double checking myself there's two characters that have a letter e they're both redeemed by aslin so it's hard to remember all the but Edmond and he was redeemed by Jesus and the fact that he's kind of almost like a peter or a Judas he betrays Jesus or he betrays aslin and them and then he's redeemed by aslin aslin literally sacrifices his own life for edmond so that edmond doesn't have to die those are biblical parallels that you really don't get from the movie they're just kind of glossed over like you don't really understand the deeper meaning of it and even like jadis the white witch she is uh the epitome of kind of like that bobblon character that idea of this evil wicked woman that has come and seduced ezreal from good and um tried to put them in evil and is supposed to come back in the end times and also be that kind of person um so she is very much that if you read the magicians nephew so like when you read the magicians nephew you get a better understanding of her like beauty and evil all at the same time so like if you didn't hadn't read that and then you kind of just wash the movie you don't get that like fuller picture of this like symbolic evil woman bobblon kind of figure um that louis is going for
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):   in his books so there's a lot that you just missed out on yeah i personally have not read the cs louis i am of course versed in the cliff notes and indeed did see the lion witch in the wardrobe because i wanted to see what they did with it but i my uh fantasy is just not one of my preferred genres i'm more comedy or sci-fi uh driven usually uh but speaking of sci-fi i had donkaleda months ago uh we were talking movies and tv and again biblical things creeping in at or you know the symbology even star wars right the emperor is the devil i mean it's pretty pure pretty clear there is the force right a spiritual dance faith based thing i i'm even being an author i sometimes grasp for words right but you know and even like tv one of my favorite star track episodes even though jean rod jean rod and berry is purely a secular i don't know if he officially called himself an atheist but he today he'd probably be a scientologist so uh ronnell huber type but there was an episode called parallel which is one of my favorite episodes and it's all about them going to a planet and they worship the sun and through the episode it's a play right they want to elude to their worshiping the star sun as you end and then reveal in the end no it is the sun christ son of god jesus christ on that planet too and i i was like i really you would do that episode i was amazed at that and thought that great because i give my tear of strikes coming soon to a city near you book although yes about terrorism not a book about death of life and living not your normal traditional kind of fluffy christian book but it is a christian book nonetheless and i do the same kind of games in my naperville chapter about we all need a savior capital s avi o u r but hopefully no one that day around a terror attack would need a paramedic savior s avi o r lok lowercase as savior on earth this day so i you know i love those sorts of plays but putting aside luison token what is one of the titles of your book and without giving too many spoilers please tell us about that
M. H. ELRICH:   okay so my first book is the tanya's worth and i have it right here so i can show the audience so this is the first book in the series it's a christian fantasy series that centers around itanya and jakin and kiel as they travel and have different adventures around tambourine during that time they'll defeat an evil queen of evil king overthrow and wicked queen and defeat a demonically possessed henchmen as well so i kind of have like demons in there and then i also have powers in here i kind of believe in this idea that each and every person has a natural talent and ability that's given to them by god and in my universe it's considered a superpower so like they have different powers so they can control wolves or they control unicorns or they can have fire powers or something even special other than that and i can't do them by god and in fact tanya has a special gift that she can be that she uses that is designated from my god character milk has a deck and i have um redemption arcs in my books um several in there and this is the first book i've written three full-length novels in the series my third one just recently came out and i'm gonna have a box set ebook set that will come out on monday so that those who are kind of like i want all three so that i can get them they can buy those um but essentially it's it follows her and her journeys and then i'm planning on writing more about her daughter and that's the idea behind the title daughters of tamery um is just that with the books um it will follow tanya first daughter like one and then the next will be on her other daughters so um i kind of have that idea usually my audience is young women so like most of the time it's women but i found that book men enjoy my books um and so i always say like yeah of course any man could pick up my book i just don't generally market it that way um and then i have like toothbreaker which is kind of more like a wolf book and i found that the guys like that one a little better but it's more of a novella than a full-length one um but those are all like my books in my book series i also have like a free short story for anyone who goes online and then all of them except for one which i'm working on no two that i'm working on getting into audiobook so people who like the audiobooks can also come but yeah i've enjoyed writing them because i felt very inspired that um they need to like people need to know but in a kind of way that's like a parable like one of jesus's parables about the truth of the gospel and yet also like being able to understand it i feel like it's very realistic of the characters and their relationships like the first book is probably a lot more like innocent kind of more coming of age but like the second and the third book is like where atania and kiel and jakin all have to learn really hard lessons and so they're kind of growing through that series together and jakin especially who's kind of the he's the father of atania and so that as a father figure he has to kind of learn how to be a better father what it means to be a father kind of throughout the whole entire series and it's funny because i've never had children as i mentioned but i've had reviewers tell me like if they were a mom or dad jakin is the one that they really do just because he's like the father figure and kind of sitting and going what are these young people doing you know um so i kind of have and i guess there for all the people who are more like in that role and i just know how it is to i think there was like a line where you know where you're walking in someone else's shoes i think i'm able to do that a lot with my writing and that's why people enjoy my characters and i'm glad you
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):   held up the cover of atania's worth for those who see on the behind the scenes sneak peek video but primarily most people hear this show audio only so the iconography of your cover i want to ask uh it happens a lot is it purposeful is it subconscious uh she's in red garb sort of the handmaid's tail thing you know the that kind of iconography symbology is was that conscious did someone else design the cover tell us about that um so i feel like i wrote my book before
M. H. ELRICH:   handmade tail was as popular as it is now so no um but i would also because i actually think can8's tail is not a great book and sorry judging to all those fans up there i'm sorry but it's like as far as i can tell it kind of degrades christianity and the way that christians are portrayed and so in no way would i want to associate my book with handmaid's tail because of that i would say that
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):   i still wait i see it too i don't watch handmaid's tail want nothing to do with it i see it is a a typical lustrous attack on christianity and anything to muddy the waters about real christian beliefs and faith and but it's yeah chicken or the egg really you know your book as well as countless others use that kind of red thing i it might even go way back to like uh little red robin hood there's just that kind of thing in our mind so yeah they they've kind of come and uh uh co-opted it from others to kind of discredit in a way in my mind work like yours
M. H. ELRICH:   yeah and i actually chose it because i felt like most of my books are about kind of like god's love for you and how god cares for you i thought of it like the red symbolism of the blood of jesus that his blood covers all our sins that when we are clothed in righteousness i know that eventually we will be given clothing that's white but in my opinion you know it's like red right now because our sins are covered and so when i saw it that's kind of what i pictured at the first time but actually most of the time what i get is the question of wait is this a little red writing hood book you know like what you're talking about and i have to tell them no it's not i promise i just like the color because that's what i thought of when i first picked it out but um yeah it's interesting how it's kind of evolved now it's always something that you learn later on like it wouldn't surprise me of some day someone's like wait a minute aren't those a lot like this or that and it's like well i can't help it so like even um people have said because i have elemental powers but uh that my books have similarities to avatar the last year bender and i've had to tell them well first of all i didn't actually complete the entire series of avatar the last year bender before i wrote my first book and then secondly i purposely don't have air benders which are the people who can use air in my stories because i don't want to get accused of co-opting someone else's work i promise you wait why don't we just say you know all creativity comes from god and maybe that's why we get some repetitions here and there oh yeah i i always say about my works my
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):   books are not from me or of me they are through me they come from somewhere else i am just the one who types them out and people think you probably seem to keep looking over to the left i'm looking over at my front door i'm sitting in my living room and i have a on the door and normally there's a red ribbon there the blood of christ right put the blood over the door the easter tradition i look up i was like where did my red ribbon go the cross is still there a red ribbon fell out i gotta find where that went put that back up and anyway that's a weird rabbit hole certainly never intended to go down but yeah now i know to self where did the red ribbon go yeah oh i remembered some
M. H. ELRICH:   days speaking of rabbit holes i remember another reason i picked the red is because a theme verse of my first book was like a woman who fears the lord who can find she's worth far more than rubies and my idea is like ruby red dress so i was thinking that verse too so there's a lot involved with it when i saw the woman the first place but definitely not a handmaid's tail i appreciate you putting that out there so i can declaratively say no not at all associate with that terrible book i'm glad
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):   you said that i thought i was led to to bring that out because if i think it others and and i certainly believe there was no association so i'm glad you were able to indeed make that clear but there are a lot of different symbology things that get used and others then use it for something else and the original intent and purpose gets diluted right like the little red writing hood i never read anywhere why it was a red hood or not uh there's probably some importance in that and behind that but also too just in general people use red a lot because red is that
M. H. ELRICH:   writing your face get attention color yeah absolutely i was thinking i don't remember either from the story but maybe it was like red is danger because like it was supposed to ward off danger or protect or in some way i don't know but yeah i agree a lot of things are co-opted i mean we better better not get started on the rainbow but it has been co-opted so i i'm just saying that things that are symbolic that used to mean one thing have been taken to mean something completely different i mean even in the anime i watch there's like crosses and a pre-scarbe and yet the way that they portray it is like very eastern hindu they clearly have no idea what any of the symbology that they have in their shows even means like uh we have this there was this show called pastor lorence and saint siselia and literally you're watching it going that that's not what a pastor or a saint is but they didn't do a bad job of portraying them as kind hearted serving individuals but they don't worship the god that we worship you know like they don't serve that and no one would claim that but um it's just funny because you're just like okay clearly they have some like understanding of these things but they don't really know what they mean it's almost like foreigners who wear english phrases on their shirts and you're like uh that does not mean what they think it means or even for us we have we buy things that are like chinese or japanese and they have you know they are latin or italian and we have no idea what they mean you know we could look at them and they could mean something terrible for all we know um so i feel like you have to be careful grab the hold on just a sec you're grabbing the t-shirt that says the wrong thing i had a friend that had one and it said what did it say it said eggs and basket oh yeah i like yeah in my in my show i talk about
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):   god seven color rainbow versus the co-opted and corrupted attempt to distort uh yeah lgbtq plus elemental p plus minus equal divide time whatever it is this week right community uh i i'm in michigan this is from uh messianic jou rabbi kurt snider of helsdale area uh bought the shirt yeah it take taking the rainbow back.com so yeah i i talk about that a lot and the the back again in the movement has begun again for taking the rainbow back.com and of course i'll i'll put that in the show notes but yeah it's all about taking that back from those who want to distort it and turn it into something uh it is not um i'm making myself a note here yeah i i i think we should start wearing that june first considering
M. H. ELRICH:   the you know that june is pride month so it's probably something we should start wearing during
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):   that time well that that's why and yeah why he created the movement and the shirts hoping we as christians would indeed wear them out and about and making that point because there are people who don't understand uh there is a difference between the seven and the six and what the actual rainbow signifies and it has nothing to do with uh with the lgbtq agenda.
M. H. ELRICH:   well and you know for me i think i would much rather have an honest conversation with someone who's of that persuasion if that's what it could do where you could talk to someone honestly and not in hate and kind of show them love and compassion as i think jesus would if he was here and then try and help them because i've i've had several gay friends who honestly were like when i listened to their story and what they went through and i said you know i can't agree with what you're doing because i believe it's a sin but you know i'm i love you i care about you if you ever need talk you know let's talk um they said wow you're like one of the first christians that's ever listened to me and heard what i had to say and it's like i think that's very important we really need to do we need to be able to listen to what they have to say and then hopefully having the ability to minister to them in the way that god calls us to in love and truth so you know it is i definitely like that i don't appreciate how now it feels like we're so divided about these things instead of trying to come around principles that all Christians should agree on you know there are things that we should be united in and we should be able to be as a church confronting these things in a loving and truthful manner and it's very difficult um i you know i'm a millennial i feel like sometimes i'm one of the few out there that still follows Jesus you sometimes still look like you're in the minority um just because it's harder i feel like my generation got really deceived and let us stray and i pray for them often that they'll come back and understand how much god care is in that his calling for your life and his purpose for your life is way better than anything you have planned for your life and if you follow his principles your life will be a lot better than just following the principles of whatever party or platform or thing you want to follow and that's that's so
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):   i really firmly believe in that this show is about the bible in full context and indeed in my care strikes coming soon to sit in your new book there is a love versus hate chapter one of those very christian chapters in the non-traditional christian book goes about that right calling out fellow christians Matthew seven really is from the original greek hebrew Aramaic and latin condemn not lussey be condemned because there are 12 other scriptures as discussed on this show where we are to judge judge biblically and not hypocritically right remove the law from our own eye judge on the same set of standards i have several gay and lesbian friends and we get along just fine they know my view on traditional marriage they also know i am with them on the civil union thing to grant them legal protections of marriage without destroying marriage it's an issue fellow christians we are too loved not hate and we see a lot of hate at times or we i i will got a backpedal a little we are accused of hate all the time and that's not necessarily true right there are no christians or jews stoning gays and lesbians in the united states however that area over in the middle east where there's conflict going on right now if queers for palestine actually with their you might get stoned to death but yet christians are supposedly the hate-filled ones right i love you i want well for you uh i my gay and lesbian friends are of the tolerance and acceptance crowd we get along just fine i have no problem again you know why i stand but yes i love you and i am willing to tolerate and accept you what i cannot abide by is what i coined gay to this who engage in gay to wisdom pedophilia and grooming they're not about we were born this way please accept us they're about recruitment they're about expanding the lifestyle that's not tolerance and acceptance again that's pedophilia and grooming two different
M. H. ELRICH:   things it's like yeah we'll tolerate everyone except for you you know i i that's their tolerance right um it's it's definitely you know we get into more and more muddy waters and i think that christians need to be less and less afraid of speaking up and saying things it's really hard being an author in a public figure to kind of walk that line where you're still reaching people and they can still hear you because i think sometimes people plug their ears as soon as they hear the word oh you don't you don't support game you know you don't support homosexual relationships how could you do that and they just plug your ears before hearing your entire thing and it's like just listen the whole thing before you judge like um well i'll do the same for you we'll listen to the whole thing before i say it easy so um it's definitely your book is going to be needed and i think the more books we have out there that are writing realistic things and showing the real estate but in a like fictional way where it's like realism but fictional i think that's all all too important um and reaches more and more people for the gospel of christ because then they'll get curious about this whole christian thing you know yeah yeah again if you're looking
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):   for tolerance and acceptance i'm absolutely in christian love willing to give that ultimately your lifestyle is between you and god not me condemn not less gb condemn but again if you're demanding that i don't just tolerate but i advocate your recruitment of others into your lifestyle no i do not have to do that and i will not do that there is a difference i don't hate you at all still but i you know there are red lines right
M. H. ELRICH:   yeah and i think you know that's the interesting part um even with my villains in my book like i'm thinking about the fact that my first villain in even my second villain you can have a lot of more compassion on but my third villain it's like you don't and the reason why especially like my second villain you have more compassionate on her is because in her mind she was doing everything out of like vengeance for her mother's death and she justified her actions through wrong means and then the first book it's like the king was doing everything for the love of someone he loved and cared about so he was motivated by his own for love for her but the third one it's like no i want power and i hate all of you and i hate everyone who's going to stop me so i'm just going to kill and destroy everything i can and use anything i can to get my own gain and i feel like more and more and when it comes to politics and stuff you find more of the third party rather than the first two which is like yeah what you're doing doesn't really that's not that's not right you know but you get more of like people are just like get out of my way i'm gonna force my way through yeah i'm on i'm unfortunate yeah i'm so glad you brought that up motives
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):   and intentions and motivations i've got two episodes on gray areas which is lead off with very important part right no one is usually right usually for every rule there can be an exception but usually no person is all good or all evil all left or all right all right are wrong or good or bad or whatever whatever whatever everything is not always pure black and white there's lots of gray area bad people can sometimes do good things and sometimes good people can do bad things when like you point out giving in the wrong mindset and having the wrong motivations so they may not be really evil they're just misguided
M. H. ELRICH:   well i would say yes but i would also point out that in the end god will condemn those who do those things anyway so even if they're misguided in the end god says to them that was still a sin and you still shouldn't have done that you know better by the law that god places on everyone's heart so it's like yes you can't have sympathy for these people but in the end god has a judgment of what is right and what is wrong right yeah so it's hard because like we want to have some theme we want to have compassion but we also have to realize that there is a standard by which god will judge the world and that standard is his word and whatever goes against his word he will ultimately judge people by it's not necessarily our job to judge them but it is god's job you know and so our job really is to warn them especially if they're believers to say look you know i don't want you to end up in that bad place i want you to be with god forever i want you to have a right relationship with him and so you know talking again the truth and love it's kind of
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):   that balance between the two right and two and vote godwin's rule eventually everything always boils down to discussing Hitler right Hitler Hitler i'm sure in his mind didn't think he was evil he thought he was doing good things for whatever reasons he felt they needed to be done right i i mean gassing an entire people's i can't understand any justification you thinking is a good and righteous thing but again the point being evil doesn't know or recognize their evil is the point there and your your third example trying to go to that point and back to my point about the tolerance and acceptance crowd is one thing versus the i demand you advocate and promote that lifestyle no there's a difference there and i hate to keep coming back to that but to me that is in a good analogy or metaphor although i like to joke i'm too clever of an author to use metaphors i use meta-sixes but i'm bummed but you know that is exactly right or as limbaugh used to say trying to demonstrate absurdity with absurdity
M. H. ELRICH:   yeah it's definitely a fine line um and it's it can be difficult but i think that we're called to walk it and we're called even to reach the most hateful individuals i mean that's why jesus literally died at the hands of Pharisees who he thought would come to him and steven did the same he died at the hands of a eventually first saw then paul um so you know saw was there holding the cloaks of everyone he stoned steven the very first martyr in acts so you know these people who are still filled with hate it's like well you know jesus loved them and so should we and we shouldn't respond hate with hate it just makes it worse you know um i love that by reverse so that says like you're piling coals on someone's head every time you're kind to them that makes me feel a little bit better um just because it's so hard to be kind to people who are so hateful um but you know the idea of piling coals on them just makes you feel a little bit like okay maybe you know it's sizzling a little bit getting through it yeah and it's part of my show
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):   uh um to kind of tie it with anti-semitism uh like you you know people who want to blame jesus of today for what happened then or even all jesus of then were all involved in the crucifixion of christ right and even to a lot of degree since jesus a Jew came to fulfill the jewish scriptures not supplant them or replace them a new testament yes and the final blood sacrifice so we don't sacrifice animals anymore but the jewish law for the most part still exists again he fulfilled was the the king of the jews the jewish messiah we are all in a way messianic jews but yet anti-semitism seems to prevail in this notion that all jews at all time are responsible for christ death when it was pre-ordained in a way they were part of god's pawns they were required to play that part so in a way they weren't even fully responsible it had to happen or we didn't have jesus the christ dying for all our sins it had to happen
M. H. ELRICH:   yeah it says i mean it says in the book of john it says that jesus laid down his life of his own accord no one forced him to do it no one did it if jesus said that about himself and what happened that we cannot blame the jews we are grafted into their family but i think a lot of this hatred for jews is just going way back to the beginning of time i think the devil and satan hates god's chosen people and i think that he continues to work through whoever and whatever he can to try and wipe out god's people because he knows that god's people are the key especially at the end times with witnessing to people who are lost and need to come to christ so i think that's why he is so against them and i i think that's why i chose to portray a demon in my stories is even though that's kind of controversial i firmly believe in spiritual warfare as being live and active today i don't think it stopped i think it's just gotten even more influential and more obvious about everything i definitely believe that demons are out there and that you need to confront evil with the light of christ but they have no power you know i don't believe they don't have any power for you i don't believe we have to be afraid of these things i think a lot of people are afraid of demons and stuff i'm like you don't need to be afraid because jesus christ is more powerful than any other being out there you know he is superior he is the king the king's the lord of lords and so you know it's just very important to remember that but i firmly believe a lot of this is just you know satan's plan for the people god to try and destroy them so that they're not effective
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):   for god i've talked about this several times with other guests exact exactly right it's satan's desire to have christians forget our love one another and that jesus came to fulfill the jewell scriptures he was a jewell himself we are all technically messianic jews but that satan wanting us to hate rather than love even the divisions between the christian sex catholicism, Lutheranism, Presbyterianism, this ism, thatism, the other whatever it's satan wanting us to focus on our divisions and things that we would argue about and part and point of this show and my christianist law's politics books one and two uh to make that point satan wants us focusing on those petty differences rather than us focusing together on all the things jesus said we do agree on and should be focusing on i'm sure you agree with that yeah absolutely um and it's funny because
M. H. ELRICH:   i recently taught and read the screw tape letters and you know that's that's both by cius louis kind of going full circle i guess and it's about the true screw tape i know call back this this demon screw tape is writing letters to his nephew wormwood and it's amazing to me i mean these letters were written in the middle of war war two in the 1940s we are almost a hundred years later we are getting close you know like and they are still relevant he was talking about how demons use like basically this idea the the divisions between the churches like what you're talking about demons want you to be divided they want you arguing they want you thinking about mirror like christianity and something they want you in extremist camps division and thinking about other things besides god and i just found it fascinating because you're like reading this almost 100 years later and i'm like wow it's still relevant today everything i'm reading is still relevant today um and it's
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):   i i'm just impressed and it goes back to my terrorist threats coming soon to a city near you it's not just about islamic terrorism it's about all terrorism including the tokyo ocere nyoko christian cult that engaged in terrorism so but there's that division thing again like uh oh i'm drawing a blank on his name now the author of reform battle for the soul of islam dr zootie jesser love him love him to death you know we can get along just find the problem is the what i call geese's global islamic g hottest interim army soldiers the islamo fashis the ones that want you to forget that the coran actually contains genesis actually contains no actually contains jesus as a prophet but not the son of god they call christians and jus children of the book we are supposedly to worship the same god but those who have hate those who have satan has taken down the other path of division want us to forget all that brotherly togetherness that was supposed to be there that is there in the karan and has been bastardized by all the other islamic texts outside of the karan so again i've got a lot of muslim friends no problem they are karenacle the geese's are extra karenacle and focusing on what satan wants from them and that is the division and heek rather than the love at any rate i usually keep the show 30 minutes ish we're going on 50 now so let me do the usual proverbial expected podcaster saying the final question is people want to find you where do they go to find you to reach out to learn more about
M. H. ELRICH:   your books you have on website yeah so the best way to find me is to go to my website which is mh elrick.com and it's spelled l rich so it's like m-a-e-l-r-i-c-h.com there you can sign up for my newsletter get that free e-book if it helps people remember just don't take a you to take off the o
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):   no yeah idiotic name association sometimes works and no she's not a jk rolling she's not rolling in the door she is not a old me show she is m-h-l-rich.com but anyway i interrupted you again please go on
M. H. ELRICH:   yeah so it's all good and so that's the website and then i'm on social media i'm on facebook and instagram under that same username and but i primarily would love for you to join my newsletter and really get the behind the scenes get to know me a little bit better and so definitely please go to the website and click the little drop down bar and go to newsletter and sign up and you'll get a
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):   free e-book so it's all good hey as i we hadn't i i also wrote you could see it on the screen for those seeing in the video how to write a book it did it publish hints tips and techniques and indeed obviously marketing promotion is a big chapter of that book obviously and yes giving away something free is always a great marketing and promotion tool i indeed also have what i call my tear strikes and ciders i sent out a an insider email the other day of when uh the Iranian uh guy good riddance to you now obviously i don't generally say that in public because we are too long but the world is a better place without him so yeah i sent out a tear strikes and ciders subscriber newsletter the other day too that that's great i hope people will indeed go to mh elrich elrich.com and sign up for your newsletter get i'm not giving away free e-book so you're going one better than me and get your free e-book thank you marie for joining me today i greatly appreciate it thank you for having me 




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